1 00:00:11,530 --> 00:00:16,329 Awash in middling videos, grainy photographs and a pile of not so 2 00:00:16,329 --> 00:00:19,530 secret government documents, this is Neon Galactic. 3 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:21,210 I'm James Folk, thanks for joining us. 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,480 Don't forget to leave a mark to like this video and subscribe to 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,640 this channel to let the world know that in 2026 you were here 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,040 to once again wax disappointed over these rather feeble 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,040 attempts at transparency. You can also support the show at 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,280 patreon.com/neon Galactic, where a few bucks a month will get you 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,320 early access videos, exclusive content, a Discord server, and 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,280 someday, I swear, beer cozies. Well, here we are. 11 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,760 Didn't someone call it Disclosure Day, May 8th, 2026? 12 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,320 If they did, they were full of beans. 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,800 This past Friday, the embattled Trump administration released 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,080 what it's calling the first tranche of UFO files collected 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,000 from various corners of government and what it calls an 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,319 attempt at complete transparency. 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,880 For those who may not have been paying attention over these last 18 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,040 several years, the Trump administration as a whole is not 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,400 in the business of transparency. They did release some JFK files, 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,880 then did everything they could to delay the release of millions 21 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,120 of documents surrounding the case against a billionaire 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,360 pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, and all his many minions, including 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,160 possibly Donald Trump himself. They sought to protect the names 24 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,320 of those involved and have generally obfuscated at every 25 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:36,760 turn, despite laws that were passed to prevent such 26 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,640 skullduggery. Not a great record, but the UFO 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,320 files were supposed to be different. 28 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:44,520 Trump was going to come clean and let the people see the 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,840 evidence, embrace the mystery. Instead, what we got on Friday 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,400 was nothing new. There were a few moderately 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,320 compelling videos, some files we've mostly seen before, 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,800 several grainy photographs. And they promise of more to 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,080 come. I hope that they'll keep that 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,160 promise. But in the meantime, we need to 35 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,320 think a little deeper about what this all means. 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,320 We should explore what disclosure actually involves, 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,640 what it would take to change people's minds, how it's being 38 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:14,880 used right now for political purposes, and what damage is 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,080 being done with all these half steps and holdups. 40 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,560 Is it really about a few feeble lights in the sky? 41 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,920 Or is it about the oncoming realization surrounding all 42 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:28,440 we've gotten wrong about our planet, our species, and the 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,080 nature of what's real? Joining me today is friend of 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,480 the show and deep thinker Daniel Elizondo. 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,600 No relation to Lou, but someone who has become known over the 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,640 past several years for being a brilliant analyst and insightful 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,400 student of the phenomenon. Welcome, Daniel. 48 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,920 Thanks for having me, always a pleasure. 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,520 Yeah. So wow, that was that was quite 50 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,200 the weekend. I always find myself, even if I 51 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,040 try to, you know, plan ahead, I get caught up in the roller 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,440 coaster of it all, you know, like, OK, something's going to 53 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,160 happen. This could be the big shift, you 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,720 know, and the conversations finally going to turn to what I, 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,840 I consider is important in this whole business. 56 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,480 And inevitably, I am always frustrated and disappointed. 57 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,720 You know, I found that the release, I don't necessarily 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,520 think that this was some, you know, attempt by the Trump 59 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,880 administration to obfuscate. I think that this is a low 60 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,520 effort attempt to kind of distract people from the Epstein 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,960 files. I think that's basically what it 62 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,000 boils down to. I also think that he's so 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,440 desperate to distract people from the Epstein files that 64 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,760 there is some small chance that he will go digging for a big 65 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,440 video that will, you know, change the channel so that, you 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,920 know, possibility remains out there. 67 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,200 But as you pointed out to me today on some, I was initially 68 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,240 sort of excited about the the moon pictures, but you pointed 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,680 out that some of that may actually be scanner artifacts. 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,520 Everything that seems like it might be, you know, fresh and 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,280 new and enticing ultimately has has wilted under further, you 72 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,080 know, consideration. I will say that some of the the 73 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,080 videos that were put out are compelling, but they're not 74 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,720 definitive. It's like they're, they're 75 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,160 obviously, I think some of them are anomalous, but all you 76 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,079 really see is a little white speck flying around on the 77 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:22,920 screen. And like the New York Times 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,000 said, those could be anything. And if you're not coming into 79 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,720 this conversation as a believer, those aren't going to change 80 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,360 your mind. They're just, they're just not. 81 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,840 So we're back, you know, in this crater of a state of mind, 82 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:40,320 trying to figure out, you know, for myself, how I got caught up 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,200 in it again, because I hate feeling this way. 84 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,200 But then also, you know, the, the value of the whole 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,200 disclosure conversation as a whole. 86 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,080 You know, I'm all about Government Accountability. 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,760 And I think that the government has done awful things in 88 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,600 relation to UF OS and that needs to come out because we're 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,960 supposed to be a democracy. And if it doesn't, then I don't 90 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,280 know that we can call ourselves that. 91 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:06,280 However, conversations can be ongoing that aren't related to 92 00:05:06,280 --> 00:05:08,840 what files are being released by the government that I think 93 00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:11,640 could advance this cause in really substantive ways. 94 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,680 And I'd kind of like to explore that with you a little bit. 95 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,120 But first, let's hear what your thoughts were after, you know, 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,160 Friday. Yeah. 97 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,640 You know, to be honest with you, I wasn't super surprised at what 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,400 we got. It seemed like we were getting, 99 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,200 I was seeing phrases like, oh, it's the eve of disclosure and 100 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,200 we were seeing a lot of victory laps that were happening and 101 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,360 sort of handshakes and high fives all around of everybody 102 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,640 who worked really hard to get us to this spot. 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,400 And I want to be clear that even though I'm a little cynical and 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,560 jaded, and especially about what we've gotten over the last 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,040 couple of days, that I do appreciate the efforts that have 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,440 been put forward from people like the Disclosure Foundation, 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,160 from, you know, certain whistleblowers that have come 108 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,280 out. And really just the community in 109 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:05,040 general to apply pressure really not just in Congress, but also 110 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,120 in, you know, bugging the hell out of the president and the 111 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,400 executive branch as well. And at this point, I feel like 112 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,080 that's the best we can do, right? 113 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,760 We can just continue to bug them and pester them and hope that 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,760 something comes of it. We can continue to educate them 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,920 right to hopefully find people like David Grush, who I consider 116 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,280 to be kind of top tier. Just in terms of the. 117 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:32,600 Information that he provides tends to you can find things and 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:39,640 it lines up and and so putting people in places of where they 119 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,320 can actually help move that ball forward. 120 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,240 I think that's really key. That being said, there's only so 121 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,280 much that one person can do, especially when that person is 122 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:52,400 embedded and connected to Congress rather than being sort 123 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,200 of a middle manager in the sort of intelligence agencies. 124 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,480 And I think that's really where a lot of the obfuscation is 125 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,480 coming from. I don't think it's coming from 126 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,600 Marco Rubio or I don't think it's coming from Donald Trump 127 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,760 or, you know, people that are actually heads of agencies. 128 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,520 I think it's coming, you know, sort of in this middle layer, 129 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,880 people that you've never heard of and will never hear of that 130 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,280 are lifers in the intelligence community. 131 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,200 They leave the intelligence community, go work for a defense 132 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,360 contractor. They come back in and it's that 133 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,880 revolving door people who live in that ecosystem. 134 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Those are the people, right, that are sort of have their 135 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,400 hands for better or worse, you know, on the on the stick here. 136 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,760 And I think one of the things, you know, just getting back to 137 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,120 the drop itself, yeah, like most of the things that were in 138 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,640 there, if not all of the things that were in there, at least 139 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,080 historically that wasn't like super recent or new, has been 140 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,320 out on the Internet. And, you know, as I was kind of 141 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,680 pouring through those things, I was actually working. 142 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,040 So I didn't really get to look very much 'cause they came out 143 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,960 8:00 AM on a Friday. And I'm thinking, man, this is 144 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,280 like the, if this is really disclosure and I'm like gonna be 145 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,840 just working my 9:00 to 5:00 through it, that that'll be 146 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,640 great. But luckily, my cynicism was 147 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,440 correct, and it was. It was essentially like we'd 148 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,640 taken the files that were already, you know, on the FBI 149 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:22,320 vault website and moved those over to a new website, new 150 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,640 domain. Some of there were some 151 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,160 redactions that were removed and most of those were like names 152 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,600 and things like that of people who have been long, long dead, 153 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,360 you know, So I mean, that's appreciated. 154 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,679 You can kind of, if you're a really a nerd in looking at 155 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,640 those historical things and digging those up, you can go and 156 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,400 and kind of pull at some of those threads a little bit more 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,560 from those names. But even the NASA, right, like 158 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:51,120 the, as as we discussed a little bit, you know, all of the NASA 159 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,440 transcripts and the NASA photos, those are things that we've seen 160 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,000 and have been out not just for a year, but for decades in some 161 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,520 instances. And you know, there are some 162 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,480 compelling things there and they're certainly when you look 163 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,960 at the transcripts and things from the Apollo missions, 164 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,040 definitely some interesting observations there. 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,560 But like you said, it's nothing that's going to convert a non 166 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:18,280 believer or frankly even excite a believer all that much if 167 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,600 they've been sort of in this space for longer than a couple 168 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,600 of years. And so I, there was, it was kind 169 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,520 of interesting to me to see a lot of people who have large 170 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,680 platforms getting really excited about documents that have been 171 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:39,080 out for decades. And I think what, that, what 172 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,560 that goes to show is that we do have a lot of people that are 173 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:46,040 new in this field, even people who have a large platform who 174 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,600 position as experts. I don't position myself as an 175 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,040 expert. I position myself as an 176 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,760 obsessive. If you want me to rattle off, 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,840 you know, dates and names and everything that I, I'll do my 178 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,480 best. But that's, that's Richard 179 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,120 Dolan, right? And so I think it's there, there 180 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,840 can be be some good coming out of this, right? 181 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,120 At first it's like, yeah, that's kind of crazy that you didn't 182 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,880 know about this. You know, these particular 183 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,320 files, like the hot old memo. I even saw people posting the 184 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,080 twining memo. Like there's some things that 185 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,520 are sort of like UFO one O one kinds of documents and things 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,720 that and and just basic lore that a lot of people don't know. 187 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,480 And I think there is some value in sort of bringing that back to 188 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,080 the, the table and sort of forcing them to look at that 189 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,040 stuff again and to rethink about that those things. 190 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,600 And even for me, as I was, I, I didn't go through and start 191 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,120 trying to cherry pick my way. As always, I'm gonna start on 192 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,160 the first file and I'm gonna start reading. 193 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,160 And, you know, I'm starting to see some things that I'm really 194 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,280 familiar with. But as you spiral back around, 195 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,200 you find new things, you find it, it's really helpful to 196 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,680 revisit, you know, some of these documents and some of these 197 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,840 events over and over again because you come to it with a 198 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,560 new context every time you do that. 199 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,640 So I don't think it's it's a completely wasted effort in any 200 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,920 sense. And I do agree with some folks 201 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,600 who have really talked about it as a symbol of the progress that 202 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,200 has been made, just in the sense that there are people in the 203 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,560 executive branch who were talking about this issue. 204 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,920 There are all kinds of reasons and motives behind them talking 205 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,240 about the issue that might not align with my reasons or your 206 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,200 reasons. But at the very least, there's 207 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:39,000 this kind of season where chaos is maybe sought after a little 208 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,200 bit. It has a there's a premium on it 209 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,320 and there are people who have capitalized on that. 210 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,960 I think we can push further and get and get a better result. 211 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,800 But I do appreciate that we are having the conversations of, 212 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,320 albeit the same conversations that we've been having for 213 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,600 decades just now, though at a, at a much higher level than 214 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,720 we've ever had it. That's not to say that 215 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,080 presidents have not been engaged on this, on this topic. 216 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,080 They certainly have. But in a public, you know, at a, 217 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,000 at a public level and, and even the media, you know, to, to 218 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,920 their as much as they, they, as much as they can help it, they 219 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,040 have actually been engaging with the topic as well in a way that 220 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,400 we've never seen before. And so I don't, I don't see this 221 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:29,080 as a December, you know, 2017 moment, but I do think that it 222 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:30,880 is a culmination of a lot of work. 223 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,680 And I think that there's a lot of work, you know, still to be 224 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:38,560 done. But I was disappointed, right. 225 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,800 Like I, I was disappointed there were, you know, as I'm going 226 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,280 through there and even with some of the videos, you know, there's 227 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,960 one video in particular, I think you probably alluded to it like 228 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:53,280 the, you know, there's a, in sort of like a windmill, like a 229 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,720 windmill field, right? There's something that appears 230 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,080 to be or is purported as an orb that is sort of like going and, 231 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,280 and zigzagging around there. And it is really interesting. 232 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,120 And it, it, it looks, it certainly looks interesting. 233 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,160 But you know, you kind of have to hand it not even not really 234 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,920 to the debunkers, but just to anyone who's looking at this 235 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,200 from an objective place that could be really anything, right? 236 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,840 That could be, I know people don't want to hear this. 237 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,800 That could be a drone with a really bright light on it or 238 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,400 even not a really bright light. But it just happens to be that 239 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:32,080 the way it was filmed and everything kind of blurs it out 240 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,000 and now you just kind of have this point of light. 241 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,240 The other thing that I've commented on a little bit and we 242 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,560 talked about is there used to be, and I say used to, it wasn't 243 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:45,600 that long ago. You know, the, the other 244 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,360 Elizondo, right, the, the more prominent Elizondo that 245 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,840 everybody knows who they are, kind of put forth this idea of 246 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,440 the five observables where you kind of have these five things 247 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,200 that you're looking for in order to categorize something as 248 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:07,160 potentially anomalous. And I feel like there's not much 249 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,320 of that in these files. And I feel like they're, we've 250 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,160 gone from, OK, let's let's really look at these five 251 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,560 observables, which I don't think are necessarily, you know, as 252 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:20,040 rigorous as we might imagine they are, let's say. 253 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,520 And we've gone to, well, this just kind of looks weird. 254 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,040 So it must be UFOs, right? Or it must be, you know, at the 255 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,800 very least a UAP or some kind of exotic drone. 256 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,520 And I do think that there are going to be a lot of prosaic 257 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,280 explanations that come from come out of these videos. 258 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,520 There are people who have pointed out what looks to be a 259 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,000 parachute on one of the, you know, more prominent videos. 260 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,920 Yeah, yeah. It's like it's a flare that sort 261 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,040 of blew out the camera and then there's a parachute that's 262 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,400 hanging from it. Yeah, that's right. 263 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,320 And, and I'll be honest with you, when I first watched that 264 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,000 video, I didn't see, I didn't see that parachute, right? 265 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,840 It's kind of off in the background if you're not looking 266 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,480 for it or what looks to be a parachute. 267 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,840 I don't know it, it could be that that's something that's 268 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:08,880 super anomalous and crazy, but there's not enough context. 269 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,120 There's not metadata, there's, there's not really an analysis. 270 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,560 And without that, it feels like we're just adding more noise and 271 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,560 more mud to an already very noisy, muddy conversation. 272 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,080 So that those are kinds of, that's, that's sort of my 273 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,400 overall feeling about the drop. I'm excited. 274 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,440 You know, they, they say there's gonna be more. 275 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,880 I'm still cynical, maybe even a little more so now that we've 276 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,320 had the first drop. But you know, my cynicism is not 277 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,360 gonna change anything. And, and nor is yours, right. 278 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,040 So we'll we'll just have to see what happens and and then go 279 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,480 from there. Yeah, it's interesting you 280 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,440 mentioned that sort of muddying of the waters. 281 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,040 Part of me is what's that's what's most frustrating about 282 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,560 this. I mean, for those of us who've 283 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,920 been following the subjects we're we want disclosure, we 284 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,560 have, I mean, anyone who studies this phenomenon, I feel like for 285 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,960 any length of time realize that there is just a mass of evidence 286 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,200 that is pointing to something going on. 287 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,640 I would be hard pressed to be convinced now that it's all 288 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,960 prosaic and all this has been, you know, sort of fictitious 289 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,440 made-up or mistakes made by recipients. 290 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,280 So I feel like that's true. And I feel like the government 291 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,080 knows something about it because they've been playing these, you 292 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,200 know, whack A mole games for since 1947. 293 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,600 But so when the government like in this first tranche, it's like 294 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,280 they wanted to put UFO files out because that's a move toward 295 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,120 transparency, quote UN quote. But they're not trying to 296 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,400 disclose anything. Like, they're not trying to 297 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,680 convince the American people that there is a, you know, a non 298 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,880 human intelligence interacting with us. 299 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,920 They're trying to avoid that part of the discussion 300 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,600 altogether. So they're just throwing out a 301 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,640 bunch of chum and hoping people get really excited about it. 302 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:56,240 Without that commitment toward actually revealing the deep 303 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,160 level truth there, it's all just gonna be noise. 304 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,840 We need if if for for true disclosure, we need the 305 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,200 government to say, OK, look, this is what we think we have. 306 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,599 Here's some really weird compelling video that shows that 307 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:12,000 this is something intelligent and not human. 308 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,160 And let's have that discussion. And I don't see anybody really 309 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,599 making progress toward that. You know, Trump is, I think, 310 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,119 happy to have the distraction and he's been convinced by 311 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,839 Burleson and Burchett to kind of release these files because he 312 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,600 thinks it adds a, you know, an accolade to his legacy or 313 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,440 whatever. But without that deeper 314 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,920 conversation, which from what I've heard, he may not even will 315 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,040 be ready to accept. I've heard that when he was 316 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,360 briefed, he didn't necessarily believe some of the deeper 317 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,040 things that he was being told because he never really trusted 318 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,080 the intelligence community. So, you know, he had his 319 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,600 operatives go out and sweep out the easy to reach files, which 320 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,280 is what this tranche basically amounted to. 321 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,160 And but that deeper conversation isn't set to happen. 322 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,640 Another thing that concerned me is I heard Burleson on or I read 323 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,920 some of his talking points on X today and he was talking about 324 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,200 how even the videos he's seen aren't definitive in terms of, 325 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,080 you know, it being aliens or, and it seemed like he was kind 326 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,440 of not backpedaling, but like certainly not saying that, you 327 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,360 know, we're going to get our socks totally knocked off by the 328 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,440 next tranche of videos that is coming out. 329 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:28,120 And I feel like if that's not going to happen, if we're not 330 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:30,240 going to have that video, that really settles the question. 331 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,800 This is only damaging the conversation. 332 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,160 Ultimately. It's great to have transparency. 333 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,720 I'm all in favor of that. But the more we have these 334 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,840 events that turn out to be not as dramatic as we hope, the more 335 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,600 people are going to be like, oh, it's another UFO crying wolf 336 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,960 kind of situation. They're desperate to prove that 337 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,960 UFOs are real, so I'm not even going to pay attention to it. 338 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,440 And, you know, that ultimately can kill the conversation if it 339 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,400 goes on long enough. So yeah, that's really 340 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,200 frustrating. But on the other hand, like you 341 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,320 were saying, I mean, this was the federal government releasing 342 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,160 UFO files. When when has that happened? 343 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,960 When is the government released a bunch of videos voluntarily, 344 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,200 not snuck out, not kind of through some weird loophole. 345 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,840 It was like, here's a bunch of stuff. 346 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:19,360 So that is progress and I think that if we keep up the pressure 347 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:24,360 and if you know, Congress, especially the Democrats in 348 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,120 Congress, because I think that's going to switch hands and we 349 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,640 need someone on that side to carry this momentum forward. 350 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,880 Maybe Carson, you know, but we need to have those people 351 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,320 continue to make noise and hopefully that'll propel the 352 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,280 conversation even further. But as they were pointing out on 353 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:51,160 with the News Nation today on the, they were basically saying 354 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,600 that the people who are most conspicuously absent from this 355 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,360 release are the are the agencies that have the most to do with 356 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,400 these files. Department of Energy wasn't 357 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,680 involved. None of the intelligence 358 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:06,960 agencies was involved. And that's I think indicative of 359 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,360 how how deep this effort toward disclosure isn't going. 360 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,360 Yeah. And it's going to be really 361 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:20,120 difficult to not only get them to give you some files, but to 362 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:23,800 give you some files that are actually going to move the 363 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,600 needle is that's going to be really, really difficult for a 364 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:32,080 number of reasons. You know, one thing that I think 365 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,200 we need to kind of get out of the way is that if you're going 366 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:42,880 and you're looking for files that say UFO or UAP or even, you 367 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,640 know, all of the other sort of various terms that are thrown 368 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,560 around. I think you're going to have a 369 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,800 really hard time finding what you're looking for. 370 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,160 Because these agencies learned at least in the 70s when FOIA, 371 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:02,920 you know, was, was getting much more strict to stop using those 372 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,880 kinds of terms in in those papers, right, and in those 373 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,360 documents. And so, you know, and I, and 374 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:15,360 frankly, I think that more so than videos and more so than 375 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,200 than photos, what we need is intelligence estimates, right? 376 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,040 We need some analysis. We need, we need to, you know, 377 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,760 it doesn't have to necessarily be at that deep level, but I 378 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,920 think it's going to be pretty difficult to find that because I 379 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:39,880 don't personally believe that the UFO portfolio per SE where 380 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:46,240 the UAP portfolio is really held by anyone group or one person. 381 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,000 It, you know, the UFO and the UAP portfolio is really a 382 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,640 constellation of portfolios and a lot of those are going to sort 383 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:01,120 of be embedded in pre-existing, you know, collection efforts 384 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:08,040 from the very beginning in 1947, you know, General Shogun in the 385 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,400 Air Force put out an intelligence estimate looking, 386 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,280 you know, just trying to find information about flying discs, 387 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,800 right, and unconventional aircraft. 388 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,320 And he stated from that very beginning that they were 389 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,520 assuming for the purposes of this project or, or this 390 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:30,200 intelligence basically putting out this call for gathering 391 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,480 intelligence around this issue. They were assuming that it was a 392 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Soviet aircraft, right? That was made sort of basically, 393 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,400 you know, capitalizing on or extrapolating on Nazi, you know, 394 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,120 RND and Nazi aircraft and things like that. 395 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:55,320 So it's he explicitly says that just for the purposes of this, 396 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,640 we're assuming that. And it makes a lot of sense why 397 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 you would do that because you already have a budget, you have 398 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,280 people in place who are looking at the Soviets and you have 399 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,240 people who are looking at, you know, trying to find, you know, 400 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,920 Nazi RND and things like that. So why would you start a, a 401 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,720 brand new project or a brand new portfolio when you already have 402 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,600 all of these people in house who are doing the same kind of work? 403 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:30,120 And you know, even Project Blue Book, they had a sort of a 404 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,880 technical consulting contractor, right? 405 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,120 Battelle Memorial Institute, right? 406 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:40,280 Really, really giant contractor that's, you know, related to the 407 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:45,080 Department of Energy and manages a lot of a lot of national labs 408 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,000 and things like that these days. But Project Stork, it's called, 409 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,800 in some places they call it Project Bear. 410 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,720 They weren't just looking at the UFO issue. 411 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,560 They were looking at Soviet advanced metallurgy and Soviet 412 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:03,160 advances in aerial photography and they're looking at the 413 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,240 Soviet portfolio. And yet, right, all of the UFO 414 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,920 things were also housed there too, as they were supporting 415 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,720 Atick with Project Blue Book as a consultant. 416 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:20,120 And so you can expect that that has not changed, right? 417 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:28,600 And we see some signs of that in the UAPDA, right where they're 418 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,800 talking about. And I, it's hard for me to, to, 419 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,200 I'll see if I can find the exact quote later. 420 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,400 But an overbroad interpretation, they blame an overbroad 421 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960 interpretation of trans classified foreign nuclear 422 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,960 information, TFNI and basically what that's sort of a fancy word 423 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,480 for foreign or intelligence about foreign nations or, or 424 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,400 foreign, you know, nuclear information basically about 425 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,000 their nuclear weapon systems, their nuclear R&D, you know, 426 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280 nuclear all, all things nuclear basically. 427 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:10,520 And so the issue is if you have the UFO files are technically 428 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,520 TFNI, if they've been designated TFNI because they were assumed 429 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,760 from the very beginning for lots of reasons to be related to the 430 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,040 Soviets, then if you're Arrow and you're going to look, tell 431 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680 me about your UFO files. We want to look, you know, give 432 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,400 me your UFO files. Even if you were an honest actor 433 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,320 and you really wanted to find them, they're going to look and 434 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,440 they're going to say, oh, yeah, we really don't have anything, 435 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,920 Sorry. You know, because it's all in. 436 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,600 It's going to be all related to, it's going to be sort of mixed 437 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,240 and intermingled with all of these files about, you know, 438 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,480 Russia and then, you know, modern day about Russia and 439 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,120 China. And so, you know, and the only 440 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:56,560 person who can actually declassify ever TFNI is the 441 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,120 secretary of Energy. And the secretary of energy is 442 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,280 not going to do that for a variety of reasons. 443 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,680 But even if they were to consider doing it, sort of, the 444 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,800 rule of thumb is you don't declassify TFNI unless an 445 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,560 equivalent American capability or technology has already been 446 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,120 declassified. So if you put that, if you can 447 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:25,000 put the UFO context, put that context around UFOs, basically 448 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,960 what you have is you are never gonna get the answer about UFOs. 449 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,200 If such a thing exists in the way we think it does, you're 450 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,320 never gonna get that information declassified and released to the 451 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,600 public. Certainly unless and until. 452 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,480 We have flying saucers that are public. 453 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,640 We have American, right? We have American technology that 454 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,560 that is equivalent, right? That's a that's a big wrench in 455 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,640 the works. And I'm personally don't think 456 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,440 that the current administration has the stomach, you know, to go 457 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,440 in for that kind of a fight. I know that people like David 458 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,120 Grush do right, But he's there's only so much that that one 459 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,360 person can do. I mean, this is a this is a 460 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:08,920 battle and that's what we are hearing. 461 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,640 I saw on, I think it was on, maybe it was News Nation or 462 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,480 maybe on Fox, you know that Grush said that there was push 463 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,400 back coming from the CIA, in the CIA, among others. 464 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Yeah, that that were basically they're fighting the 465 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,480 administration on this. And likely these are some of the 466 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,680 arguments they're bringing up like this is a national security 467 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,600 issue. And if you don't believe us, 468 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,480 look, it's, it's TF and I and only the people that are 469 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,040 qualified to look at this can look at this and even offer 470 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,320 opinion to push back on it. And so it's it's really 471 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,640 difficult to to get at this just because of the terminology, 472 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,560 right? Looking for actually looking for 473 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,800 UFO and UAP. And I know that there are lots 474 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,880 of really well informed people who know the right terms, but 475 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,760 then also getting the the purview not to just look for 476 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,600 those things, but also to dig through other portfolios. 477 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,480 Like I need to know about advanced Soviet R&D around 478 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,080 propulsion or around directed energy or around nuclear 479 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,200 propulsion, right? Like that's, that's a whole 480 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,000 nother beast. It's so that's in the weeds a 481 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320 little bit, but I felt like it's important to kind of frame this 482 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,960 conversation in terms of what we can reasonably expect. 483 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,640 And, and so I think we're probably going to get more of 484 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,680 the same. We're going to get videos, we're 485 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,680 going to get photos, we're going to get reports, you know, 486 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,440 eyewitness reports and testimony. 487 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,720 And it's going to be from credible observers and there's 488 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,200 going to be maybe even some references to sensors and things 489 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,760 like that, but without the the analysis and the intelligence 490 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,880 estimates behind it, especially modern day cases. 491 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,360 I mean, we have, we just have no idea. 492 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,880 I mean, that I think we have to reckon with the fact that we 493 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,880 have no idea what is in our arsenal right now. 494 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,920 We don't know. And, and we have a really good 495 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,600 idea. We think that we know. 496 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,720 But I have a feeling that, you know, even those who are are 497 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,160 would consider themselves insiders right within the 498 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,840 military and intelligence community don't realize, you 499 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,560 know, the some of the technologies that we have and 500 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,760 some of the breakthroughs that we've made and. 501 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,760 Explain. Explain why knowledge of the 502 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,080 arsenal is important in this in this circumstance. 503 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,040 Discernment. Right. 504 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640 To be able to tell, sure. Yeah, discernment, like think 505 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,200 about the five observables, right? 506 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,240 Like one of the five observables is, is instantaneous 507 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,080 acceleration that we, we don't have things that go from 508 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,800 standstill to a high rate of speed at a rapid pace of 509 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,040 acceleration, right? Or so rapid it's hard to even 510 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,480 see. That may be true, but we're 511 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,200 taking it on faith. OK, That may be true as far as 512 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,200 you and I know and as far as you know, the general public knows 513 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760 that is something that is that's true. 514 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Is it really true that within the entire right, like we don't 515 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,640 have anything like that anywhere. 516 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,920 No one's made any, you know, anything at least that could be 517 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640 perceived as instantaneous acceleration. 518 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,160 What's interesting about that is that Lou Elizondo, the other 519 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,440 Elizondo, was on Ross Coltart's show earlier today and they were 520 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 looking at one of the videos where the white dot was doing 521 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,640 back and forth kinds of things at 80 miles an hour, 522 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,160 instantaneous changes in direction. 523 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,000 And Ross was like, well, and we don't have anything that can do 524 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,440 stuff like that, right? And lose like, well, as of two 525 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,560 years ago, there may be drones. I have to be really careful 526 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,840 here. But it was basically admitting 527 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120 that some of the things that seem like anomalous are are 528 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,320 within the American military capability at this moment. 529 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,240 And that's stuff that he feels like he can talk about out loud, 530 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,360 which is, you know, obviously the low hanging fruit, so. 531 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,320 Yeah, and I I think exactly he's, he knows about, you can 532 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,640 say what there are a lot of people who have criticisms of 533 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,640 Lou Elizondo. Some of them I think honestly 534 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,880 are valid, others maybe not so valid. 535 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,720 You know, he's he's been instrumental in this era, right? 536 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,160 There are a lot of things that would not have happened had he 537 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,160 not, you know, come forward and and been for better or worse, 538 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,320 right? Like the the kind of face of 539 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,520 this whole thing that we've been doing the last 1010 to 12 years 540 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,800 here. That being said, you can't take 541 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,800 from him. He knows about intelligence. 542 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480 He knows about security. He knows he's very careful in 543 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,240 how he parses his words, you know, and I think sometimes 544 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,400 that's people start to pick up on that and you realize that he 545 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840 knows what he can say and what he can't say. 546 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920 He and I think he knows the things they're probably things 547 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,960 that he knows that he is obligated to lie about right and 548 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,600 to help with security on. I think they're they're things 549 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,520 like that for almost all of the people that are, you know, 550 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,240 connected to this in the, you know, not because it of any sort 551 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,440 of nefarious motive or motivation, but just because 552 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,880 it's a matter of national security. 553 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,120 For whatever reason, They know that they need to to sort of 554 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,840 stretch the truth or or allude to things in a certain way. 555 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,320 But I agree with you. I think it's really interesting 556 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,280 that even some of those aspects of the, you know, the so-called 557 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,360 5 observables, we're already starting to backtrack on some of 558 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,840 those things. And it's not like, you know, the 559 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,760 idea that those drones, maybe those drones are actually now 560 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,360 being deployed out in the field. How long have they been on the 561 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,840 shelf somewhere? How long have they been out at, 562 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,200 you know, at an airfield somewhere? 563 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,200 I mean, there's a long, long process of technology transfer. 564 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,480 And I personally believe that there is a really well managed 565 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:48,960 technology transfer schedule at a high level that is managed for 566 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,680 lots of reasons and not just because while it's ready, we 567 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,920 could put it in the field right now. 568 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,560 That's not the only consideration to make when you, 569 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,520 you know, when you decide to pull the trigger on something. 570 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,680 And so I think a lot of our timeline here and the progress 571 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:10,560 that we will make on the outside is tied to this sort of 572 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,400 technology transfer schedule. And I do think that a lot of 573 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:21,400 people that are making this push are, you know, are advocating on 574 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760 the back end for let's move this schedule forward. 575 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,160 Let's let's go, let's stop doing this. 576 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,080 Let's stop, you know, slow walking all of this stuff. 577 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,640 And and let's start making these these disclosures of what we 578 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,440 have so that we can start to move the ball down the field. 579 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,320 And you know, that's the case even for people like Hal put 580 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,240 off, right? And you know, Jacques Valet and 581 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,960 you know, people in that circle who've been at this for decades 582 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,800 and decades, you know, they are, I sometimes jokingly refer to 583 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,440 them as task force technology transfer, right? 584 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,920 They know their, I their whole, their whole game is not well, we 585 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,680 need to figure out the physics of UFOs. 586 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,480 They are working on the physics of UFOs so that the people who 587 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,960 already know about the physics of UFOs will give them a phone 588 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,080 call, right? They are, they are making 589 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,360 themselves available and, and hoping that they can can stumble 590 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,639 into the right program to get their hands dirty and yes, to 591 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,360 make a little bit of money, you know, trying to commercialize 592 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,199 some of these things. And so you know, it, it's our 593 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:35,639 progress is really going to be mitigated by that sort of 594 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:39,679 technology transfer philosophy. And, you know, the people, the 595 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,159 powers that be that are, that are sort of helping to steer 596 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,679 that in the background. And it's going to be also 597 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,920 mitigated by this secrecy issue, right? 598 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,199 This TFNI issue. And it's also going to be 599 00:34:54,199 --> 00:35:00,240 mitigated by the fact that, you know, we're, we're looking for 600 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,600 things that they don't have to give us, right? 601 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:08,360 We're looking for UI want the UFOUAP files that are about 602 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,480 that. And you're not going to just 603 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,160 find those. You're going to have to go 604 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,640 looking and they're going to be, you know, really boring. 605 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,200 They're not going to, they're not going to sound super 606 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,560 exciting to, to most people. It's going to be people who are 607 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,560 subject matter experts in those fields and portfolios that will 608 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,480 say, oh, that's, that's something else, That's something 609 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,440 different. And so that, that's my, that's 610 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,800 my feeling about it. I do think there are some 611 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,320 practical things that that we can focus on to, you know, 612 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,520 moving forward that that, you know, one thing I'm, I'm 613 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:48,880 noticing is that there are now some very specific asks that are 614 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,080 being made. Congress is seeking specific 615 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,640 videos. We don't know what they are. 616 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,680 Burleson is asking right? There are 46 videos. 617 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,800 They say, you know, we're also being told that Burleson is 618 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,960 making this request for something from Rupelt right from 619 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,360 the Project Blue Book days, you know, some some kind of a 620 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,360 presentation or, or briefing that he gave at MIT. 621 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:18,000 So that's interesting from 1952. So they're they're starting to 622 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,360 be those kinds of things really targeted, which you could almost 623 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,480 think of that as almost like an end around FOIA kind of 624 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,760 situation where instead of submitting A FOIA request, you 625 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,960 tip off the the right senator or, you know, the right, the 626 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,560 right person in the House that's on an intelligence committee. 627 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,000 That's, you know, like a dog with a bone and say, Hey, can 628 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,280 you please request this request that trust me, this is what we 629 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,200 need. I think that's a great strategy. 630 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,360 But again, there, you know, if it's depending on what it is, 631 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,600 it's going to be either, you know, harder or easier to to get 632 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,960 their hands on. Yeah, as this seems to always be 633 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,920 the case, one interesting thing about Burleson is that his 634 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,920 frustration is becoming more and more apparent. 635 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,400 And he was basically threatening to use the speech and debate 636 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,280 clause to out to more dramatic videos if the administration 637 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,000 doesn't follow through on its promise to sort of up the ante. 638 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,360 He mentioned in particular videos that were of American war 639 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,160 fighters firing on UAP and a couple other types. 640 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,760 And he's like, you know, if you guys aren't going to do this, 641 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,400 then I will go and use my speech and debate clause immunity and 642 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,680 make it public myself, Which I thought was striking because, 643 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:33,360 you know, given, you know, what we've seen over the past 80 644 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,960 years in terms of, you know, people getting hurt from for 645 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,480 trying to pursue transparency. It was quite brave of him to put 646 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,080 himself out there as the potential mechanism for for some 647 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,440 of these disclosures. But I mean, we'll see. 648 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,800 He says he's not suicidal, so we'll have to make a note of 649 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,480 that if and when any bad thing happens. 650 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,920 Yeah, hopefully he doesn't come to that. 651 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,600 No, I'm exactly right. And I think that there for a lot 652 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,800 of these folks that we've proceeded so far down the road 653 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,920 that if anything were to happen to them, it would be so obvious 654 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,160 that there were machinations that hopefully they just won't 655 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,800 go there to me. So, OK, you mentioned this in 656 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,840 our Twitter or our X conversation earlier about like, 657 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,080 is this really about lights in the sky? 658 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,000 There's so much more going on. And, you know, I mean, I started 659 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,520 this show about UFOs and I spend a lot of my time talking about 660 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,400 consciousness and human capacity and philosophy and, you know, 661 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,520 ontology. Those are really, to my mind, 662 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,560 the deepest, most compelling issues. 663 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,880 Just by virtue of my own personality is proof that there 664 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,000 are anomalous lights in the sky, say that they don't ever admit 665 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,720 to us that there are aliens visiting, but that there are 666 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,400 machines that are flying around that appear to be non human, 667 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,080 that are flying around in our atmosphere. 668 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,760 If they admit that, does that get us into that other 669 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,800 conversation, or is it going to require also sort of ancillary 670 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,560 discoveries from the, you know, the study of human consciousness 671 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,280 from physics to also have sort of revelatory progress for those 672 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,360 things to combine to end us up in this new space where I feel 673 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,960 like, and a lot of my guests have intimated is where we're 674 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,440 ultimately headed. And what do you think about 675 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,720 that? Yeah. 676 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,920 I think that we are at a spot where it does feel like we are 677 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,480 focusing really heavily at the surface of the surface, right? 678 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,640 We are talking mainly about lights in the sky, right? 679 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,960 We're talking about, you know, sightings and sometimes some, 680 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,480 you know, sensor data sort of correlated with those sightings. 681 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,920 Sometimes there's multiple witnesses and things like that. 682 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,520 But that really only corresponds to, I wouldn't even say 683 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,760 depending on what what kind of witness it is, that's just a 684 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,960 sighting, right? That's just a, a perception. 685 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,800 If you have the radar data that that is great. 686 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,200 Now you're maybe looking at a physical object or at least 687 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,320 something that signal can bounce off of, right? 688 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,920 But that's really only one aspect of the phenomenon, just 689 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,480 like it represents a variety of portfolios, let's say. 690 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,960 You know, for different, you know, people within the 691 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,800 intelligence, military intelligence community, it also 692 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:21,280 is itself, you know, as a just in general, it's a multi faceted 693 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,400 phenomenon. And I feel that if we're 694 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,480 focusing only on this, you know, we're starting here in 2026 with 695 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,880 lights in the sky, that's a, you know, even if that's a 696 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,200 controlled disclosure, I mean, we're where are we going to be? 697 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,200 Because we've been at lights in the sky for decades and decades. 698 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,040 And I think it's worth noting that a lot of these 699 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,280 consciousness aspects that people are, you know, talking a 700 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,560 lot about today, to their great credit, these are things that 701 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,520 are being talked about back in the 40s and 50s, right? 702 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,520 Like the early contactee movement was. 703 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,600 And, you know, there are a lot of really actually deep thinkers 704 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,600 that were noticing trends that people are rediscovering today 705 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,680 over the past, you know, decade or two. 706 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,800 And, and their, that ESP connection, you know, that 707 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,200 we're, that we're seeing a lot and, you know, sigh, phenomena 708 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,000 and parapsychological phenomena. All of those things were being 709 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,480 recognized very early on, if not by researchers, at least by 710 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,760 enthusiasts and then later, shortly thereafter by 711 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,600 researchers as well. And so, you know, there are, I 712 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,600 mean, there are documents from, you know, the 50s, early 50s, 713 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,200 you know, from where there are U.S. officials and Canadian 714 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,960 officials who are talking about, you know, basically that there 715 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,880 are UFOs and there's a group that's studying UFOs, but 716 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,880 they're also studying some strange mental phenomena that 717 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,040 may be connection with the saucers, right? 718 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,240 Like like that's that's. Right about getting downloads 719 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,600 from beings and yeah, I mean totally crazy shit excuse. 720 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,120 Me, yeah. And these are official 721 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,080 conversations that are happening between allied nations, right? 722 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,920 And so, you know, I think it's great that the, the community, 723 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,680 let's say the UFO community is going there and they're going 724 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,160 all the way down the rabbit hole. 725 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,960 And I think it's, I think it's great. 726 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,920 But it in terms of our understanding of the phenomenon 727 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,160 and, and as it relates to disclosure, you know, it's 728 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,240 difficult. It's difficult even to see what, 729 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,840 what aspect are we trying to disclose, right? 730 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,400 Is it really that we want that? Is it that we want the president 731 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,760 to say that, you know, there are flying saucers are real and that 732 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,080 some of them are piloted by aliens? 733 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,760 And to be honest with you, I think it's interesting that we 734 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,920 take that as a given to be. I, I don't, you know that that 735 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,480 and I think that's part of the rub of disclosure is everybody 736 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,080 kind of has their, they already know and. 737 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,720 They're waiting to be confirmed not to be told anything. 738 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,920 They they, that's. Correct. 739 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,600 Everybody's got their own I idea. 740 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,600 And, you know, it's easy to, you know, to sort of think that, 741 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,320 well, every UFO person thinks that, you know, this is they are 742 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,240 extraterrestrials or now it's well there, it's everything has 743 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:17,560 there are, you know, biological entities, interdimensional 744 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,080 entities or even entities at all, right, that are responsible 745 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,400 for this phenomenon and, or, or who lay at the core of this 746 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,920 phenomenon. And that's just, you know, that 747 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,600 hasn't been true for a very long time. 748 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,120 And and so it is very difficult. We kind of talked about we're 749 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,600 not even really aligned on the really the confirmation that 750 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,560 we're looking for. And so it's sort of difficult to 751 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,240 #1 what is the, what's that, that speech that we're looking 752 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,080 for to agree? What is it that what's the 753 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520 finish line for this thing we're calling disclosure? 754 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,120 But I would say also even for what's the data we're seeking, 755 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,840 you know, because right now the data that we're getting, even if 756 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:05,080 we're seeking more data, it's very surface level data. 757 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,680 I, I would even argue that if they rolled a craft out and they 758 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,040 said, here you go alien craft and you were to, and if it was a 759 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,960 craft anything like James Lakatsky or Jim Lakatsky, right, 760 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,040 has described where it's smooth, you go inside. 761 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,200 There's really no signs of any kind of an engine or fuel or 762 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,240 control surfaces. You know, it's, it's kind of 763 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:32,120 this thing that we know is not ours and we know it's, it's 764 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,840 something, but we don't know what it is. 765 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,280 What do we learn from that? Right? 766 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,520 What do we or maybe, and maybe there are some, some biological, 767 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,480 you know, we pulled these bodies out of there. 768 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,400 They're pretty weird. You know, there are things that 769 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,920 we could glean from the from that, but would we be able to 770 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,200 know definitively? Well, that is what we understand 771 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,480 as an extraterrestrial or that's what we understand as, you know, 772 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,960 our preferred noun is this, you know, and, and the reality is 773 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,360 that even when you get, you know, to that level, it could be 774 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,560 all of it. It could be an, you know, an 775 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,360 extraterrestrial interdimensional, you know, 776 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,440 demon, right? Like we could string together 777 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,800 all of these adjectives and adverbs and nouns. 778 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,160 And it's not as clean cut as well. 779 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,520 That's an extraterrestrial and that's an interdimensional and 780 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,280 that's an ultra terrestrial and that's an Angel, right? 781 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,600 Like we have this whole, you know, frameworks and hierarchies 782 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:33,000 that are, you know, have baggage with them, but that's not really 783 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:39,520 the everyday experience of of the the phenomenon, right? 784 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,160 The the people that want confirmation the most are people 785 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,880 that have engaged with the phenomenon. 786 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,720 And some of them have reported that they have had, you know, 787 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,400 liaisons or they've been, you know, in contact voluntarily or 788 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,400 involuntarily with what seems to be a non human intelligence. 789 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,280 But there's a whole host of other things that, you know, 790 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,040 surround these cases. And so one of the things that 791 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,320 I'm interested in is instead of looking for information about 792 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,040 lights in the sky or more reports of, we saw a sphere 793 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,920 moving at this altitude over the Pacific Ocean during this 794 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,800 exercise. That's all well and good. 795 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,600 That doesn't tell me, you know, why I'm lying on this table, you 796 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,240 know, or like why I'm right, why I'm awoken in the middle of the 797 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,480 night and, and I've, you know, and I'm floating through the 798 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,680 window. That's those two things don't 799 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:39,320 necessarily comport, you know. And I, I think that, you know, a 800 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,640 lot of times what ends up happening is we experiencers or 801 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,360 people who have had anomalous experiences. 802 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,760 I wouldn't consider myself a major experiencer, but I've had 803 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,440 strange things. You know, we are almost 804 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:57,920 hoodwinked or we're kind of like we are drafted into this 805 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,600 movement, which to me seems like a technology transfer, you know, 806 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,680 kind of situation like this is a military industrial complex 807 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,400 argument that's happening. And we're sort of being scooped 808 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,640 along and and sort of, you know, pulled along into this seeking 809 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,600 these broader these answers. And and so there's there's that 810 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,880 kind of meaning that we're not going to get from these files, 811 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,880 even if they're really great videos and photos, even if 812 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,920 they're giving us, they're showing, Hey, here's a craft, 813 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,800 here's a body that does not answer any of the fundamental 814 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,360 questions. In my opinion, it's it might 815 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,880 satisfy curiosity. It will be certainly 816 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,280 interesting, but even from the science perspective, you know, 817 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,240 the people that we know of that have been, that have been 818 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,560 studying this for decades and decades. 819 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,480 These days, they don't really talk about the propulsion very 820 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680 much, right? They're they're more interested 821 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,920 in, you know, other aspects of the phenomenon, the same kind 822 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,920 that you're interested in. You know, we talked, we 823 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,120 discussed earlier and I'm sure you've discussed it on your show 824 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,400 several times that, you know, Doctor Jacques Vallet and Eric W 825 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,520 Davis, they came up with a six layer framework, right, to study 826 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,160 the UFO phenomenon. So, you know, there is that 827 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,160 first physical layer, but then the second layer is the anti 828 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,360 physical layer, right? So you have something that is 829 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,120 small on the outside, but when you move through the Hatch, all 830 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,360 the sudden it's really big or you have, you know, time 831 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,640 stretches and things like that, you know. 832 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,600 And so there's like that anti physical, that almost denial of 833 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,240 the physical, the thing that makes, you know, UAP really 834 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:42,720 loony and really crazy and rejectable by, you know, sort of 835 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,480 mainstream science. That's literally one of the core 836 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,720 aspects of the phenomenon. And we lose sight of that. 837 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,920 And they have the third layer, which is like the psychological 838 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,080 impact, right? You know what, what impact does, 839 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,520 you know, an anomalous experience or even a UFO 840 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,600 sighting have have on the witness and the people who 841 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,240 experienced that, right? So like there's a, there's a 842 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,920 psychological aspect. And I will, I will say that 843 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,480 psychological aspect is very important to war planners, 844 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,680 right? And I mean psychological warfare 845 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,560 that is a portfolio. And so you can bet that there 846 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,680 are people that have files related to that and probably 847 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,760 still are involved in collecting that kind of information today 848 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,280 because it's of tremendous national security importance. 849 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,720 It's a threat and it's an opportunity. 850 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,840 And, and you know, then there's, you know, a, a fourth layer 851 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,640 where you actually have physiological effects, right? 852 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,360 And, and where you actually are now looking at what are the, 853 00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:48,280 what's happening to the body of, you know, within the, the 854 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,760 central nervous system, but also within the tissues of people who 855 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,280 come in close proximity or near field proximity to anomalous 856 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,280 vehicles. That's a very, very important 857 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,840 portfolio. One of the things that I've 858 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,960 noticed and a lot of people are starting to notice is a lot of 859 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,480 the people that we know of that are sort of either actual 860 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,080 verified insiders who have held that portfolios related to UFOs 861 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:20,960 or making pushes around UFOs. They are non lethal weapons 862 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,600 guys. Almost inevitably you will find 863 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,960 that they were involved in some, you know, very high level non 864 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,320 lethal weapons. You know, whether it's weapons 865 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,720 development or looking at anomalous health incidents and 866 00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:39,160 things like that. Those things are connected in 867 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,720 many ways, right? And I think actually David Grush 868 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,760 alluded to this not long ago. He mentioned that he feels like 869 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,920 the UFO issue and a, hi, the anomalous health incident issue 870 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,920 are very similar thematically, that the way the government is 871 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,160 handling them is, is very similar. 872 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,560 And I, I agree. However, I also think that 873 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,840 there's a lot of overlap in terms of it's really difficult 874 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,880 to do R&D on non lethal weapons when you can't do human 875 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,480 experimentation. And you know, who are you going 876 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,600 to find that's going to say, yeah, I'll let you, you know, 877 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,240 shoot me with that directed energy weapon. 878 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,000 But here you have a group of people who claim to have been 879 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,600 hit with directed energy weapons in proximity, you know, from 880 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,960 some sort of unknown foreign force, right. 881 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:32,960 Great way to to gather to gather data not just about the UFOs, 882 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,520 but also about whatever kind of non lethal weapons or whatever 883 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,920 kinds of fields these people might have been, you know, 884 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,040 struck with. But then even, but even beyond 885 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,000 that, that layer, the fourth layer, the physiological layer, 886 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,760 you also have a fifth layer, which is psychic, right? 887 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680 So all of the PSI and parapsychological phenomena that 888 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,600 has has come really, really strong into the forefront today. 889 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:04,480 And that's really exciting. That's a key aspect of UFOs and 890 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,280 you know it, you really can't have one without the other. 891 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,120 As we just talked about from the very beginning, the people that 892 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,600 were studying UFOs purportedly we're also looking at, you know, 893 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,600 so-called mental phenomena. There are also a lot of 894 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:24,120 prominent figures that are well known in ufology that were 895 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,480 involved in both efforts, right. So Andrea or Andrea Povich has 896 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,880 been, his name has been flying around a lot lately. 897 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:36,280 He is, you know, really involved in not just UFOs, but you know, 898 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,640 purported communications or attempting communications and 899 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,920 channel and things like that and saw UFOs with Yuri Geller and 900 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,840 the whole 9 yards, right? That's not a, he's not a, that's 901 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,560 not an isolated case, right? That's a trend. 902 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,040 That's a trend. And we see that to this day. 903 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,680 All of the, you know, not all of them, but many of the remote 904 00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,880 viewers, big UFO guys from the very beginning and and the 905 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,640 people who are handling those portfolios that we know of often 906 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,520 are also very interested in UFOs and sometimes are actively 907 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,840 involved in that as well. And then finally, that six layer 908 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:19,880 not to draw things out, you know, too much is the is also 909 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,720 where we're looking at the sociological and cultural 910 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,440 effects, right? What is this? 911 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,400 We have effects in the witnesses, we have physiological 912 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,960 effects, we have psychological, we have psychic effects, 913 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,160 physiological effects. What does this do to our 914 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,640 culture, right? What does this, how does the UFO 915 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:44,040 story and how does the impact of individuals and groups having 916 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,200 these experiences, What does it do to us as a society and as a 917 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,400 culture? You know, we could go on about 918 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,600 that for months and months and months and it makes a. 919 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,480 System hypothesis ultimately like what is they are they 920 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,760 trying to engineer in our culture? 921 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,000 That's right, right. And, and you know, I love this 922 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,800 quote, so I'm going to read it verbatim, Valet says. 923 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,320 Everything works as if Uaps were the product of a technology that 924 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,040 integrates physical and psychic phenomena and primarily effects 925 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,160 cultural variables in our society through manipulation of 926 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,160 physiological and psychological parameters in the witnesses. 927 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,800 Right. That's a mouthful. 928 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,000 But what he's doing is showing that this is the that the UFO is 929 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,680 not just one of these layers, it's all of these layers. 930 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,360 And it, and it may be primarily about culture way more than it's 931 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,120 about propulsion. OK, not to say the propulsion 932 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,400 doesn't itself have a huge impact on culture. 933 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,320 It does. Well, the reason why I'm diving 934 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,880 into those six layers or reiterating them for your 935 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,120 audience is because I think we need to start seeking out data 936 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,360 that's relevant to all of those six layers. 937 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,720 And it just so happens that we know of the existence of a 938 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:05,640 massive like 300,000 strong database compiled by Jacques 939 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,920 Vallee, a data warehouse that's been literally built and 940 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,560 organized such that you can explore the phenomenon in its 941 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,680 various facets. And there was a tremendous 942 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,360 amount of work that went into that. 943 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,760 I mean, there were 30 plus employees hired by Bass and 944 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,280 cleared to handle some of this information that we're working 945 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:33,840 on creating this data warehouse. And all of the work was there 946 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,160 and it was, you know, there's so many things there. 947 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,200 That database is called Capella. It's named for a star system 948 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,000 that looks like one star in the night sky, but it's actually 949 00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,680 four stars, 2 binary systems. And so it's kind of a little 950 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,000 tongue in cheek illusion that he's making with the naming 951 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,120 there that it's one data set, but it's actually a combination 952 00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,080 of all of these different data sets that are really important. 953 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,280 And so if Disclosure Foundation people are listening, right? 954 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,600 If people Congress people are listening, push for Capella, we 955 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,240 know it exists. We know that it can't be that 956 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,480 that classified. Most of the information in those 957 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,080 data sets comes from open source data sets, or at least data sets 958 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,840 that you could go if you know the right person to ask and they 959 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,600 would give them to you. They were not all compiled and 960 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:28,160 collected, you know, from military witnesses or or around 961 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,560 strategic sites. There's a lot of civilian cases 962 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,880 in there. There's really only, I think one 963 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,400 data, one part of the data warehouse that's called like an 964 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,720 eyes only data set. And that comes from Doctor Kit 965 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,720 Green, right? And, and some of his 966 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,560 physiological data that he's been collecting over the decades 967 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,880 with the help of other people in programs and things like that, 968 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,360 that he was monitoring for the Central Intelligence Agency. 969 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:56,840 And so, but even a lot of that data is open source, right? 970 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,840 You can go, you can look at John Schuessler has put out, or when 971 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,920 he was alive, he had put out a lot of research, you know, sort 972 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,080 of collecting all of these cases. 973 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,000 You can find that Mufon's published a lot of things about 974 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,680 it, but you could take out those those cases if you needed to 975 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,000 from the data warehouse and you could put it out to the public. 976 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,760 And now we have this incredible endless data set that we can now 977 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,480 start to really look and I think actually get some of the 978 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,400 scientific answers and the progress that we're looking for. 979 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,840 I don't think we're going to get the the announcement. 980 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,520 And if we get the announcement, I'll be extremely skeptical 981 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,720 about whatever the announcement is, even if it's something that 982 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,040 I want to hear. In fact, especially if it's 983 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,720 something I want to hear, that's when I will be the most 984 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,920 skeptical about whatever it is. OK. 985 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,440 But I think that if we push for a data set that we know exists, 986 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,240 then, you know, they ought to be able to get it done. 987 00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,760 It's not TF and I right, it's not, you know, there might be 988 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,240 some data in there that's relevant. 989 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,480 Just OK, pull those, pull those specific things out, redact them 990 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,920 however you can. But put that on a website, make 991 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,000 that a web app, make that, you know, put that on 992 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,040 war.gov/youknow Capella or whatever it needs to be. 993 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,320 I think that that is a, a really practical thing. 994 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,040 I don't know if we could get it, but it seems like why not, 995 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,720 right? Why not go for something that we 996 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,880 know exists? Yeah, that is such a brilliant 997 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,760 point and people forget that. I also note in the progress of 998 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,200 Bigelow's kind of career that post OSAP, he it seems like he 999 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,640 answered some questions for himself because then he pivoted. 1000 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,080 And I wonder that if within that data, if there isn't some 1001 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,880 realization that could be drawn for for all of us about the 1002 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,520 nature of these things, how they intersect. 1003 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,920 Now, if I'm right, DIA owns all that, right? 1004 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:54,640 Does Bigelow retain any copies or is it all within the DIA? 1005 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,920 I don't know what's what's interesting is you would think 1006 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,960 that DIA at least would have some cognizance over it because 1007 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,240 you know the program was Adia program. 1008 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,520 That being said, if that database went along with the 1009 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,520 program that was supposed to be cone of Blue and if that if that 1010 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:21,120 efforts continued, that maybe that's where that that data set 1011 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,600 is. And I sort of think it is that 1012 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,200 there that there probably is some sort of continuation and 1013 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,960 possibly is part of the contract for that. 1014 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,840 You know, maybe they're the new contractor, whoever that is, or 1015 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:41,080 contractors, maybe they sort of purchase the rights for this 1016 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,720 data set, which by the way, basically should belong to 1017 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,600 Jacques Valet really, if it should belong to anyone. 1018 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,720 Most of the data is his in the 1st place. 1019 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,560 And the whole, the whole concept of it is his and he's very 1020 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,560 frustrated about it. He brings it up all the time. 1021 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:59,080 He's he's trying to sort of rebuild it. 1022 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,840 And hopefully especially now with AI agents and things like 1023 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,040 that, it'd be a lot easier to do. 1024 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:09,520 But you know though, the big. The reason that they came out 1025 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,080 and said initially that it wasn't out was because, well, 1026 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,840 it's proprietary, right? Because it belonged to Bigelow. 1027 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,800 Well, now it doesn't seem like with everybody talking about it 1028 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:26,120 openly, including Bigelow in spots, that that's really 1029 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,800 what's. Going to be kept, yeah, yeah. 1030 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,560 Unless somebody, unless there's now some other proprietary, you 1031 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,280 know, effort that's been tied into it. 1032 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,520 I mean, you could say, OK, you got the new contractor and well, 1033 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,440 we added 10 cases to the data warehouse. 1034 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,800 So now it is proprietary and nobody can see it, you know, 1035 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,640 unless we release it ourselves, right as the contractor, it's 1036 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,360 possible that they that they use that. 1037 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,840 Either way, I think it's worth making a push for that. 1038 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,520 Yeah, I mean, and, but as Grush pointed out, DIA is he, he's one 1039 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,880 of the two agencies that he explicitly said is, is sort of 1040 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,400 pushing back. So it's rough. 1041 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,400 It's rough sledding, but I think it's I think it's worth pushing 1042 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,640 for. It might be naive, but you know. 1043 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:15,160 Yeah, well, I think that it's the most obvious target for a 1044 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,240 collection of information that addresses the global aspect of 1045 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,120 all of this stuff rather than just, you know, lights in the 1046 01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,200 sky or, or, you know, some other thing. 1047 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,800 And what I like about, I mean, if Jacques Valet can recreate 1048 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,680 it, that would be awesome as well. 1049 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,040 But if somehow he is involved in it does get released, I mean, 1050 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,320 his stuff's going to go to archives of the impossible when 1051 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,680 he passes. And I can't think of a better 1052 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,080 home for that kind of information. 1053 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,960 That a place it's already working on developing AI tools 1054 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,040 to do a meta analysis on all of the information within, you 1055 01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,960 know, Whitley Schrieber's letters and you know, John Max 1056 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,520 papers, all those things together is exactly the kind of, 1057 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,080 you know, synthesis we need for us to actually draw, I think 1058 01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,520 legitimate conclusions on what's going on. 1059 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,560 But it's it's daunting to think it's like this. 1060 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,880 It has to be because by nature of how large of a transition 1061 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,920 this is ontologically for folks, this is not going to be a simple 1062 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,560 thing. There's never going to be a 1063 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,920 speech where, you know, the president comes out and we just 1064 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,680 suddenly accept this new reality. 1065 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,400 It's happening on so many different, you know, frontiers 1066 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,720 that it's always going to be a slow evolution. 1067 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,560 And so I think we need to be, you know, comfortable with the 1068 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,240 fact that this is going to be a slow campaign to educate people 1069 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,960 and engage with people and sort of arouse their curiosity rather 1070 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,640 than thinking one day it's just all going to be better and we're 1071 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,280 all going to be validated. Because I don't know that that's 1072 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,480 going to occur in the next 5 or 10 years. 1073 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,680 It's always going to be a slow process. 1074 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,920 Yeah, I I agree. It's going to, and I think it's 1075 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,280 going to be messy no matter how you do it. 1076 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:58,280 And you know, and I think I think we need to also, you know, 1077 01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,040 accept the relative. Maybe the, the government does 1078 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,600 not have all the answers. Like maybe they do have the 1079 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,560 answers at a layer one level, but at the rest of these layers, 1080 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,760 which are can be fairly scary, right? 1081 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,440 They may not have all the layers, all the answers there. 1082 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,760 And that may be the heart, the part, you know, there, there 1083 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,320 been a lot of people talking about this isn't indigestible 1084 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,200 and it's hard to swallow and it's scary. 1085 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,560 You know, they may only be talking about that, that level 1 1086 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,160 reality. They might not even be talking 1087 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:31,200 about some of these other aspects that, you know, people 1088 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,640 are going to have to, to reckon with. 1089 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,440 But that's part of life, you know, like the, the, the 1090 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,800 government can't protect us from reality forever. 1091 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,920 You know, like you, you have to live your life. 1092 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,120 You know, imagine if the government was trying to keep 1093 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,800 tornadoes under wraps, Like they didn't want anybody to know what 1094 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,680 a tornado was. And, and people say, well, I saw 1095 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,800 tornadoes and I, I have a film of it and everything. 1096 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,840 I mean, you at some point, you know, people get hit by a 1097 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,920 tornado, you can't keep it secret anymore. 1098 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,560 And and that's where we're at, right? 1099 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,760 People are experiencing this phenomenon. 1100 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,480 And it's possible that the phenomenon is some kind of 1101 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,760 natural phenomenon like that, right? 1102 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,880 Or at least some aspects of it is that it's just some kind of 1103 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,000 system that we don't or some kind of meta system to keep 1104 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,400 Chuck Relay happy that we don't understand, right? 1105 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,080 And, and it's possible that, you know, the government is able to 1106 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:26,680 understand some things about that system, but that, you know, 1107 01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,520 it wouldn't surprise me if they don't have all the answers. 1108 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,720 You know, it's possible that some of those things are just 1109 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,720 unknowable, you know, at their level of reality, you know, at 1110 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,080 that institutional level of reality, certainly. 1111 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,880 So it's going to be messy, but I think it's worth, it's worth 1112 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,560 continuing to push and being optimistic that, you know, that 1113 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,280 we're going to make it have a good result. 1114 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,760 And I am, I am encouraged because the community is, even 1115 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,800 though it's, it's definitely messy and definitely toxic and 1116 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,360 all of those things, there are people that are talking about 1117 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,720 those, those, you know, those other aspects. 1118 01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,920 And, and I, I do think that that's great that we're seeing 1119 01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,760 so much of that dialogue happening now. 1120 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,600 Yeah, I, I think I, I agree with you that during this whole 1121 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,720 conversation leading up to the, the release on Friday, people 1122 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,640 were like, OK, this is 1 only one aspect of the phenomenon 1123 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,560 consciousness is the much bigger piece. 1124 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,440 And we need to be prepared to have that conversation. 1125 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,280 I saw that several notable, you know, content producers with 1126 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,280 that message. And I, I was encouraged by that. 1127 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,200 And I have to say, I, I was encouraged by the whole thing. 1128 01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,360 Donald Trump is obviously using the UFO subject as a as a 1129 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,200 distraction. My feeling on that is let him do 1130 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:43,480 it. He's going to be trying to 1131 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,760 distract no matter what. That doesn't mean we have to be 1132 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,520 distracted. It's like the man is possibly a 1133 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,840 pedophile. I'm not going to forget that. 1134 01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,520 Voters aren't going to forget that. 1135 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,200 And when he's out of office, he may well have to pay the price 1136 01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,560 for that or at least kind of come to terms with an 1137 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,440 investigation of some sort. And whatever he does in the 1138 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,320 meantime is still is going to happen or not. 1139 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,160 So if he wants to release UFO files to kind of create noise, 1140 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,080 that's not going to really do him any good anyway. 1141 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,960 I'm all in favor of it. Whatever. 1142 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,960 He's always going to be chaotic and I would just maybe like the 1143 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,560 chaos to work in our direction for once, yeah. 1144 01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,680 It'd be nice to have a a positive side effect, yeah. 1145 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,040 Exactly one thing. That's just strategic, you know, 1146 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,800 I mean, you've got you can only play the you can't wait till the 1147 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,160 person you like is in office to try and make any, any progress. 1148 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,960 I mean, you know, and I do think this is an issue that's being 1149 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,120 politicized and and will be politicized, continue to be 1150 01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,720 politicized, you know, along predictable lines. 1151 01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,640 But it's not, you know, it shouldn't be, right? 1152 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,920 It will be, but it shouldn't be. And so I think that it's OK, 1153 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:56,280 even if you vehemently, you know, or even despise this 1154 01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,760 administration to say, hey, let's capitalize. 1155 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:05,040 Let's get what we can, when we can and make the most of of 1156 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,760 whatever the situation we're in. Exactly right. 1157 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,360 And I mean, for some folks, the whole disclosure conversation 1158 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,000 has become kind of a dirty word. And I get it for all the reasons 1159 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,640 that we've been talking about. But like I tried to say in the 1160 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,000 beginning of the show, it's like there's a there's a level of a 1161 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,800 Government Accountability that I feel like we have to go after. 1162 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,720 And then also, I think that that it is a way ultimately, even if 1163 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,360 they're just talking about lights in the sky, if the 1164 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,880 anomalies can be focused upon and brought to public attention, 1165 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,800 that'll foster a deeper conversation. 1166 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,000 Whether it takes decades to get to the stuff that's really 1167 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,400 substantive. That may well be the case. 1168 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,560 But if we don't start the conversation, we'll never get 1169 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,040 there. So it's all part of the piece, 1170 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,000 you know? Agreed. 1171 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,320 Yeah, agreed totally. I think, you know, that's what 1172 01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,080 we're trying to do. We're just trying to get more 1173 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:56,600 people having the conversation and it's working. 1174 01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,800 I mean, this space is, I can remember, you know, there was a 1175 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,320 time where UFOX or UFO Twitter, I still like to call it, you 1176 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,720 know, there were like maybe 5 to 10 people that were creating 1177 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,960 content regularly and everybody kind of knew each other and it 1178 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,520 was very insular. And that was even after 2017, 1179 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:21,160 you know, But I do feel like in the last, in the last three 1180 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,640 years, I'll say two to three years, I mean, it's just 1181 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,080 exploded. I mean, and, and that's, that's 1182 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,600 had some really positive effects. 1183 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,000 It's brought in some really quality voices. 1184 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,160 It's brought in also some not so quality voices. 1185 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,479 But that's the nature of the beast. 1186 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:36,560 Right. Yeah, it's always going. 1187 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,720 To be that way, if you were going to expand it and you're 1188 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,800 going to have more people engaged, then you have to just 1189 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,960 accept that more people are going to be engaged. 1190 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:50,399 And so, you know, hopefully as we go on, we'll get more 1191 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,880 information, people are going to learn more and more. 1192 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,920 Hopefully they're probably going to do one of these rights where 1193 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,600 you kind of get, you're really excited. 1194 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,000 And then all the sudden the the football, you know, it's moved 1195 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,640 enough times that you swing down here. 1196 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,240 And then hopefully before, you know, you stick with it and 1197 01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:11,600 you'll find some of those truths kind of coming up on the other 1198 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,920 end, you know, call it deconstruction, reconstruction, 1199 01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,520 right? Absolutely. 1200 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,240 You know, with ufology. And I think that that's 1201 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,800 definitely the relationship that I see a lot of sort of grizzled 1202 01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,640 vets have with, you know, with this subject. 1203 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,160 They're not being, you know, they're not too excited about 1204 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,200 anything, right? They just kind of because 1205 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,120 they've, they've seen it, they've seen it come and go. 1206 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,040 And so I, I, you know, I think that's the healthiest place to 1207 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,080 be. So we'll, you know, it, it just, 1208 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,600 it just takes sticking around and, and sort of learning and, 1209 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,319 and being open to those conversations. 1210 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,040 All right, Daniel, thank you so much for a fantastic 1211 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,880 conversation and for all your insights and expertise. 1212 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,840 You always cut through the bullshit and give us the real 1213 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,760 stuff, so thank you. Thanks so much, had a great 1214 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,560 time, love to do it again soon.