1 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,480 With a wild and brilliant guide to the true revolutionary power 2 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,520 of this moment in human thought history. 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,280 This is Neon Galactic. I'm James Falk Thanks for 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,680 joining us. First, don't forget to like this 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,160 video and subscribe to this channel. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,240 If you take a moment and look back through the Neon Galactic 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,560 catalog over the past three years, you'll see that we've 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,400 featured an unmatched collection of great thinkers, doers and 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,560 visionaries on this show. 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Our guest today continues the 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,720 intellectual tradition of this show by being a radically 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,120 original thinker, a synthesizer of threads that have arisen in 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,600 recent years from every corner of the world to fundamentally 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,920 undermine all the old and tired ontological tropes we've been 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,600 fed for millennia. From her work, and that of all 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,440 the Renegades that inspire her, a vision seems to be emerging of 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,120 a universe that's wired together with math, information, meaning, 28 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,680 novelty, and if we're lucky, some coherence to bind the 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,080 batter. There's an intersection that 30 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,040 looms now between technology, consciousness, philosophy, and 31 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,320 even the occult, where the world may discover a shortcut to deep 32 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,720 reality and a path through the spiritual wasteland. 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,199 To get there though requires our species to avoid the land mines 34 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:15,240 now being planted by a techno fascist oligarchy bent on using 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:19,440 their superior resources and quantum gizmos to drive the 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,760 creation of a surveillance state where individual attention 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,000 becomes a kind of slop for digital hogs. 38 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,560 So the question then becomes, will we invest as equals in this 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,000 unfolding future or get sold down the river like so many pork 40 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,320 belly punks? Decisions, decisions. 41 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,080 I'm no expert on these questions, but I know change is 42 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,320 in the offing and the questions now being asked are far 43 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,200 different and more dangerous than most of what came before. 44 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:53,880 So today, Allison McDowell will help us find our way. 45 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,160 She spent the last half decade and change plunging deep into 46 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,160 Alice's rabbit hole and climbing back out again with a pelt on 47 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,680 her belt and a passion for justice. 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,000 This will be a wild ride. Welcome, Allison. 49 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. 50 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:18,520 Yes, just in today's conversation, I, I'm here to 51 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,920 speak to my own personal journey and I find that a lot of the 52 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:25,040 things that I'm introducing are new ideas. 53 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,960 And so I'm not here to convince people over to win people to my 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,080 side, but simply to offer documentation. 55 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,200 And generally the people who sort of connect with what I'm 56 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,480 saying is that they have their own pin board of question marks 57 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,360 of things that have happened in their lives, right? 58 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,040 And they're like, I knew that that thing was important, but I 59 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,160 still haven't quite figured out why. 60 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,160 And that something that unfolds will resonate with one of those 61 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,680 things on the pin board and then people will want to know more. 62 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,920 And so that's sort of how I approach the interviews rather 63 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,760 than I've got it all figured out. 64 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,440 It's like. I'm going to sell this. 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Yeah. Yeah, No, I hear that and I 66 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,560 respect that. Thank you for saying so. 67 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,360 It's, it's interesting, you know, I mean, like I, we were 68 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,480 talking before the interview started that I view these 69 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,800 conversations as fertilizer for folks to find their own threads 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,200 within each conversation that they that'll lead them down 71 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,399 their own rabbit holes in the future. 72 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,600 So whatever people can find in any of these conversations is, 73 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,160 is useful. That's good. 74 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,840 The other thing is that we live in, at a time when there's so 75 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,720 much information everywhere. We're all awash. 76 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,800 And I mean, everything that came before and everything that's 77 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,920 looming in the future that to find patterns that make sense 78 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,280 out of all that noise is extremely difficult. 79 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,800 So when we find people who are able to kind of see through the 80 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,280 noise and, you know, kind of you sketch a picture for us of where 81 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,440 we might be headed or, or the dangers that may be looming, 82 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:49,880 it's important to listen to them. 83 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,800 You don't have to be convinced by them. 84 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,960 But I think that, you know, trying to find a way to 85 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,880 understand that complexity and engage seriously with the danger 86 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,760 and the future is important. So if we can help people do that 87 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,520 in this conversation, I think we're succeeding. 88 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,720 Exactly. Well, and, and just to tell you 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,640 a little bit about my background, because this was a 90 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,000 jerk that I never really expected to take. 91 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,000 I'm currently based in Hot Springs, AR, but I spent most of 92 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,880 my adult life in the city of Philadelphia, which later on 93 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,320 we'll talk a little bit about like patterns and energy and 94 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,960 gestalt and archetypes. And Philadelphia is very heavy 95 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,560 in all of those things. And my academic background was 96 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,520 in art history. And then later I got a master's 97 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,520 at the University of Pennsylvania in historic 98 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,080 preservation, specifically around cultural landscapes, in 99 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,800 interpreting cultural landscapes, like literally going 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,600 out into Chester County for my thesis and being like, oh, I 101 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,120 think that that hill was like a railroad embankment. 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,000 And oh, like, like looking below what was apparent. 103 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,000 And I had one of my thesis advisors once say some something 104 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,600 to the effect. And I almost wonder if it's a 105 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,160 dream at this point. But like, your family will be OK 106 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 because you'll be able to see it, you know, And like walking 107 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,200 down Walnut St. in Philadelphia and having, and we weren't super 108 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:11,920 close. So. 109 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,560 And she was a, an older German woman from the platinate who 110 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,760 lived out in Berks County and like totally the emblem of sort 111 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,720 of a, you know, gentle Crone wise woman sort of thing, you 112 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,880 know, the white hair and the bun, you know, And I still hold 113 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,480 that I'm like, well, I still don't quite figure out what I'm 114 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,520 supposed to see. But much of my research, and it 115 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,680 really started in probably around 2013, was in the 116 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,000 education space around. And that's part of the reason I 117 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,160 haven't done interviews in quite a while because I found that it 118 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,280 seemed like, like you said, there's so much information that 119 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,360 it was just like, squirrels, squirrels, you know, like, every 120 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,720 week it was like a new thing. And there wasn't a lot of 121 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,680 synthesis. But from spending some time 122 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,480 looking at your channel, you seem to be the kind of person 123 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,400 who was on their own journey to, like, understand more about the 124 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,320 operating system and in a more holistic way. 125 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,040 And so I was like, OK, And it's funny because I used to actually 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,680 be very triggered by the whole, like, UFO conversation and 127 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,080 things like that. So I'm working through my 128 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,880 triggers and being like, OK, this, this actually makes sense. 129 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,360 You know, I'm going to, I'm going to do this. 130 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,680 So I think the landscape that I was supposed to study is 131 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,520 consciousness. And for me, it's kind of a prank 132 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,920 in the universe because I was generally a good student, but 133 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,160 math was always my downfall, like math and philosophy and 134 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,520 abstraction. And so I was good at like art 135 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,520 history and I, I did symbols and it weirdly symbols overlap with 136 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,400 math. But I never would have thought 137 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,440 that consciousness was a topology, right? 138 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,360 And that it, it could be rendered in mathematical 139 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,160 abstraction and that it could be this rolling landscape of a 140 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,880 tractor fields and, you know, storylines, right? 141 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,680 And you could render it in these other abstracted ways. 142 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,600 And that this relates to our, in my opinion, this shift, this 143 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,560 cosmic shift that's happening in the age of Aquarius, the water 144 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,440 bearer, is that there are higher dimensions of information. 145 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,120 Like I, I look at things from an information theoretic lens, 146 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,280 which is where I put it now. And so like we can't, we all 147 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,440 know that they're as humans, we are operating in a narrow 148 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,560 sensory band, right? And then some people have gifts, 149 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,120 right? And they have a more expansive 150 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,120 band or they operate with a slightly tweaked operating 151 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,679 system and they organize and experience the world 152 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,159 differently. It's this phenomenology. 153 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:35,360 What is it like to be an Allison? 154 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,559 What is it like to be a James? You know, and, and so, but then 155 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,280 there's these higher dimensions. And it feels like for me where 156 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,360 I'm at at this point is that this shift is how we interface 157 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,960 with these higher levels of information and that that those 158 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,360 higher levels represent and all, we are a piece of the all, an 159 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,400 instance of the all experiencing 3D space-time. 160 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:02,760 And there is an all there with many more layers and the 161 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,960 conversation is about to become more sophisticated, right? 162 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,080 And then people say, well, why do we need all of these 163 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,280 technologies and things? In my opinion, it's to not just 164 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,520 have a one-on-one with higher dimensions, which Mystics and 165 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,960 you know Yogi's and you know, clairvoyance and people have had 166 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,160 for a long time, but it's to do it collectively as a system, as 167 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,000 a network system and that that conversation may be very 168 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,760 different. So anyway, so my background was 169 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:33,200 shifting from a background in sort of deep research symbols, 170 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,760 looking at the built environment. 171 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,440 A lot of my stuff is embodied like mapping, going physically, 172 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,160 going to places and then mapping it in an abstract. 173 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,760 I create these really elaborate relationship maps that kind of, 174 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,960 I think have rewired how my brain works. 175 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,800 Like I, I think symbolically and like mind palaces now somewhat. 176 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,560 And that's why I hold on to things. 177 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,240 And then applying that to consciousness. 178 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,600 And now the next step has been consciousness as an 179 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,520 interdimensional information, you know, frequency, right, And 180 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,080 that that has these mathemat higher level mathematical tones, 181 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,200 which, you know, I used to cry over my Algebra 2 homework and 182 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,840 like, you know, cry into the, you know, outside my bedroom. 183 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 And so this universe saying, OK, you need to stretch, right? 184 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Like I know you don't like economics, you need to learn 185 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,080 economics. I know you don't like 186 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,320 philosophy, you need to learn philosophy. 187 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,240 I know you just like to be in the garden, but the garden can 188 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,680 be your math, right, Like the rotation and the frequency, like 189 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,960 it's OK, like there's other ways to do it. 190 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,760 So anyway, so yeah, I was a public school parent. 191 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,600 I used to say I was a public school parent and a mom public 192 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,800 school parent. I for probably the better part 193 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,440 of eight years fought privatization of the public 194 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,040 schools in Philadelphia all the time being super programmed. 195 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,480 Like I said, I was, I was a generally, I was not a 196 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,600 rebellious person. I was the good student. 197 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,760 I wasn't really the beak kisser, but I always like, like, tell 198 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,200 me, and I'll just jump that bar a little higher, right? 199 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:02,680 Even if I had to cry, you know? And so I was highly programmed 200 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:06,160 into the public school system. And only in retrospect, coming 201 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,360 through, I was like, OK, not that I agree with how 202 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,040 privatization was happening, but that there are other ways of 203 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,560 being, learning, processing in the world. 204 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,560 So that's where I was for eight years. 205 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:22,240 And then I realized it switched, it melded into not simply 206 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,280 technology, surveilling children, using children as a 207 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,720 profit center, but also systems engineering and military 208 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,120 information and intelligence information. 209 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,680 And being in Philadelphia, which is, you know, at the time, you 210 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,960 know, the 6th largest city in the country, going to City 211 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,280 Council, going to the school board meetings and butting up 212 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,560 against these systems, it's kind of like the elephant. 213 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,120 You only know the part you can touch. 214 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,240 At the time. And only tell the story with the 215 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,840 pieces you have on hand. And so this past, you know, 216 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:59,800 since 20, you know, 12 plus years has been zooming back. 217 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,600 I know I'll never see the whole elephant. 218 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Like I, I know that that's an, there's so many layers to the 219 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,640 onion. And the more you zoom back, the 220 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,120 more you realize, wow, there's a lot I don't know. 221 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,560 And I'm very humble about being open to like unlearning and 222 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,320 relearning, like reconfiguring. But it's something we all need 223 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,680 to be open to, I think, as the future unfolds well. 224 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,200 The thing is like this is where I've landed is I used to be very 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,920 judgmental, like this is good, this is bad. 226 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,360 And I saw things that were in many respects back, but I was 227 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,440 defending a system because that was my program not realizing 228 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,560 that actually maybe the system needed to be reworked anyway, 229 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,400 right? Maybe not the way I saw it being 230 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:46,400 reworked, but so I'm more open to, you know, the Chinese 231 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,000 farmer's parable, right? Like when something shows up and 232 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,560 and people go, oh, that's terrible. 233 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:53,400 And they're like, well, maybe yes, maybe no. 234 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,680 And then the thing that was terrible turns out to be 235 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:57,680 something wonderful. And then the thing that turns 236 00:12:57,680 --> 00:12:59,920 out to be something wonderful turns out to be something not so 237 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:01,680 great. And it's the cycle, right? 238 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:05,440 So you're just like, no, you know, your family kicked you out 239 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,200 of your old life and and then you had to go to Hot Springs and 240 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,200 people might say that's terrible. 241 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:15,080 And I'm like, actually, despite having disconnected from them, 242 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,280 which I I sorely miss and still love them, being here has taught 243 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,720 me so much that I would never have had otherwise. 244 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,280 So yeah, like, wonderful. Change can come and it can be 245 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,640 fortuitous, even if it's uncomfortable at the time. 246 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Yeah, it's interesting in that educational perspective because 247 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,000 I just was talking to to some folks about education systems 248 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,920 and how, you know, kids are basically stamped out of a 249 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,560 manufacturing plant at most public school systems. 250 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:44,360 And that's a tragedy. But there's a real challenge in 251 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,120 terms of educating the masses when you have, you know, so many 252 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,760 kids and so little money that our society invests in 253 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,400 education. So how do we balance like, you 254 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,640 know, having a creative intuitive system for kids while 255 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,360 at the same time making sure that everyone gets educated? 256 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,840 There's no easy answers there. And while like you, I looked at 257 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,640 the privatization movement as like, oh, you know, people want 258 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,600 to pull their kids out and put them in Christian homeschooling 259 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,720 systems that'll indoctrinate them. 260 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,280 Maybe so and in that particular slice, but there's, like you 261 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,520 said, other answers out there that could address some of the 262 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,400 problems we're facing, But it's, it's a change. 263 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,440 And that, that's always a gamble, you know? 264 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Well, and one of the themes that I've been working on, like, cuz 265 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,840 I, I sort of picture like I have a Mary Poppins, you know, carpet 266 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,120 bag or something. And I like collect things and I 267 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,080 put them in there right to use. And so you don't have to use all 268 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:41,960 of them all the time, but you can pull things out. 269 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,640 And so one of the lenses that I've been using a lot lately and 270 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,800 encouraging people to try out is the, this idea of the curious 271 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,080 observer. Because for me, what's really 272 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,480 where I've arrived after being very judgmental and very, I know 273 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,320 the things and I know what's going on. 274 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,520 And then realizing, Oh, actually, I missed all this 275 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,360 other stuff. If I'd known this, I would have 276 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,640 made made different choices. Is this idea. 277 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,800 It's a participatory universe and we're Co creating with it. 278 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,920 And that's John Wheeler, the physicist like his perspective 279 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,520 in this quantum foam, right. And so if you can hold a lens of 280 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,000 a curious observer, it gives you a broader viewpoint to entertain 281 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,120 things that as soon as you weigh in on one side, 0 or one, right, 282 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,400 like yes or no on this, then then your story narrows way 283 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,480 down. Like your view has to narrow 284 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,280 because you're defending a certain perspective. 285 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,560 If You Can Dance around the outside and sort of skirt the 286 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,680 edge of the attractor fields and say Robert Anton Wilson used to 287 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,120 talk about reality tunnels, right, like if, if you could 288 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,080 stroll down the hall of the all the reality tunnels and like pop 289 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,000 in and be like, what's it look like in this one? 290 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,520 And then you have to go all the way to the back, Like, you know, 291 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,160 you don't have to deep dive into Q Anon like to get there. 292 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,480 You can you can pop in and be like, oh, what's it? 293 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,280 What's it like over here today, you know, and sample. 294 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,720 And so I think, I think that sampling, I've found that it 295 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,680 helps keep a broader view if that's what you want. 296 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,320 Now when we said like the the should part, I feel like really 297 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,360 central to this is phenomenology, right? 298 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,800 Our personal experience. And if we're all some fractal of 299 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,160 Indra's net, you know, reflecting the whole. 300 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,760 Yeah, there's no every like in my version currently I call it 301 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,720 my animus live action role play musical and my Animus live 302 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,360 action role play musical. Like there is no one reality 303 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,200 actually there. There are multiple concurrent 304 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,080 realities, some of which overlap. 305 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,800 We can never totally inhabit the viewpoint of another person, but 306 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,120 we can. We can, you know, overlap and 307 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,920 get close with interests and they're all dynamic. 308 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,520 And so it it gets you off the hook of judging and fixing 309 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,800 because you don't like what's good for you. 310 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,080 It's not necessarily good for the other person. 311 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,480 Optimally, we should strive to not hurt other people while 312 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,120 we're doing the thing that is meaningful to us. 313 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,840 So like, and that does happen. I mean, I'm not trying to 314 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,600 minimize that. There are real. 315 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,920 I spent 10 years researching poverty and late stage 316 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,359 capitalism and all the things and I arrived at the point of 317 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,079 saying I cannot fix all of these things as one person. 318 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,119 The only thing I have control of is my perspective and my 319 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,240 frequency. And that paralysis is something 320 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,800 a bunch of people are facing right now on the score of fronts 321 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,240 because we're, you know, with the political situation, the war 322 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,160 in Iran, people tend to shut down as they're overwhelmed with 323 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,280 all of these catastrophes. So going within is really the 324 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,600 most productive thing people can be doing because I, I think 325 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,320 there's a contagion there. I think that that can sort of 326 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,400 metastasize in a positive way and spread among, you know, our 327 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,320 our culture, hopefully, and affect that change that we seem 328 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,560 to think is impossible. Now. 329 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,080 The one other thing I wanted to note is that you're talking 330 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,240 about keeping things on the table and not closing down your 331 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,480 reality tunnels. You know, one of my favorite 332 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,440 thinkers in all of these kinds of topics is Jeffrey Cripple 333 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,200 from Rice University. And one thing he talks about is 334 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,240 keeping things on the table. Like don't decide what the 335 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,680 reality is. Don't choose among the many 336 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,240 theories that are offered up for for various things necessarily 337 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,880 or unnecessarily, because you can learn just by entertaining 338 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,760 these other ideas. And it's not it's a lot of times 339 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,680 it's on either or proposition. Things are are more complicated 340 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,960 than that. So yeah, don't close off your 341 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,720 your reality tunnel. There's exactly what can happen 342 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,720 there. And the challenges, so like one 343 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,800 of the question we talked about a little bit was like the 344 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,200 lockdown period or some like lessons learned. 345 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:42,280 And for me, one of my big learning points was that because 346 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,560 I had been doing this research around human capital, finance 347 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,040 and technology. And you know, I was writing 348 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,320 about Palantir in 2015, you know, like nobody was like 10 349 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,400 years earlier. And I was in that space. 350 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,840 So I can see that story. I'm like, I lived in that story. 351 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,480 I lived in that story for about 8 years. 352 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,720 And I've moved into another phase of the story. 353 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,800 But I, I realized in retrospect, I would not have gone on my 354 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,600 journey of trying to understand consciousness if it hadn't been 355 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,680 for people who, like, I know love me. 356 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,480 You know, for many, many years could, under the conditions of 357 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,080 this shared trauma that people experienced in very different 358 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,880 ways, view me as something that wasn't me, right? 359 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,440 Like, how could this long history and then these 360 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:34,200 cataclysmic global shifts pivot a story about me or who I was 361 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,800 into something that was inaccurate, right? 362 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Or that they created a frequency that required a separation and a 363 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,480 distance that that didn't seem proportional to what was 364 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,160 actually happening. It wasn't one of the more 365 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,920 strident people. Like I, I had a lot of concerns 366 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,960 because of my background. I was like, oh, this is how 367 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,320 everything is going to change, right? 368 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,120 But I wasn't an extremist. I kept saying mostly because I 369 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,200 was coming from the education space, not the health space, was 370 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,720 hey, I have this piece around human capital, finance and the 371 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000 sustainable development goals and digital identity that's 372 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,320 actually needs to be considered. And and in all of that, that's 373 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,360 still not being discussed because the story model became 374 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,120 ESG woke, anti woke and so and, and and I don't consider that 375 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:21,240 actually propaganda because afterwards in coming to 376 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,680 Arkansas, I spent some time looking into Carl Friston and 377 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,280 his free energy principle and active inference. 378 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,480 And free energy principle doesn't have to do with free 379 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,320 energy like electricity. And it's not that free energy. 380 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,920 Essentially it's a thermodynamic model of the world that we wake 381 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,440 up every morning and we have a model of how we feel the world 382 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,480 works. And generally our consciousness 383 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,080 attends primarily to things that are outside the model. 384 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,600 The rest is on autopilot. And so something that's outside 385 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,280 the model, you have a choice of either adjusting your model or 386 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,600 resampling to just to another spot, look a little to the left 387 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,840 and, and reaffirm the model you have. 388 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,640 And to change the model requires a cost. 389 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:09,240 There's a cost analysis. And so it's, it's that's why I 390 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,360 think the curious observer mode is less, is more cost efficient 391 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:13,960 because it's like, try before you buy. 392 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,680 You don't have to commit to the payment. 393 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,440 But if you start to change your world model, there's a cascade, 394 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,200 right? And so if you, if you entertain 395 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,960 the idea that public schools are broken on purpose, then you have 396 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,000 to adjust your world model of who is breaking them and why are 397 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,400 they breaking them? And do they know they're 398 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,200 breaking them? And to what end is it being 399 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,920 broken? And that is that those costs 400 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,400 rise exponentially really fast. And in my case, I was my 401 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,400 research, I would learn new things every day. 402 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,840 So I would take like baby steps. And after 8 years, I was way off 403 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,360 on some archipelago and my family was like, we can't get, I 404 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:52,760 mean, they, they didn't know to say this, but I can say it 405 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,480 looking back, we can't get there and we're, we're not willing to 406 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,640 jettison the model that we have to get there. 407 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,480 Like if they're the cost benefit doesn't work, it doesn't make 408 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,040 them wrong or me wrong. I didn't leave them on purpose, 409 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,640 but it was my path to take to do that thing. 410 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,200 And so. To say that during the pandemic, 411 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,280 just to clarify, you had been doing research and you got the 412 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,640 more you learn sort of the more further out from the mainstream 413 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,920 view around education and other things that sounds like that you 414 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,600 were sort of alienated from the community that you originally 415 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,840 came from. Is that sort of what you're? 416 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,280 Using yeah, on all fronts really from, you know, my immediate 417 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,160 family members to the people I was an activist with. 418 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,960 I mean, I kept saying like, cuz Philadelphia, I, you know, I 419 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,440 went from like, you know, NPR liberal for many years to sort 420 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,680 of more radical left, you know, like black radical Marxist 421 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,520 reading groups to like, where are all of you guys? 422 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,120 Like, and I would, you know, Philadelphia had a pretty robust 423 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,360 sort of left-leaning scene and I kept like in the years leading 424 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:57,560 up to 20, you know, 20 saying things like, are we doing 425 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,360 blockchain socialism? Like are we doing cybersyn? 426 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,440 Is Safford be like, is that what this is? 427 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,840 And, you know, The thing is on the left, they tend to like 428 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,360 evoke this like highly intellectual sort of thing, but 429 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,000 only in a very narrow lane, right? 430 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,840 And so if you're picking up things that they don't already 431 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,160 have dialed in, they just it doesn't fit their model and 432 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,840 they're not no one's willing to pay the cost to entertain the 433 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,000 new model because then you might be actually ostracized and 434 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,600 nobody wants to be very few. Some of us there are some people 435 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,680 who are dancing around and surfing the edges of the 436 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,080 attractor fields, but. Yeah. 437 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,640 And I'm not saying that makes me better. 438 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,160 It just makes me weird and different. 439 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,800 But there's for whatever reason, that's the archetypal space I'm 440 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,600 inhabiting this round. Is, is, is that piece? 441 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,200 And so I could see it coming. And so every single group, I 442 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,600 kept saying, but don't you see that all of this is like 443 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,800 advancing big technology or hey, Web 3 token people who are doing 444 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,760 grassroots digital commenting? Don't you see that the World 445 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,320 Bank is setting up human capital, derivatives markets and 446 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,480 preschoolers, You know. Let me ask here. 447 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,680 No, that's, that's brilliant and I want to dive down into that. 448 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,040 So what were the realizations that you had that really put you 449 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,120 out in front or beyond the people that you had been 450 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:10,200 associated with before? And let's sort of dig into what 451 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,880 those are because I think they, like you're saying they involve 452 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,760 tech and, and human capital and, and all of those things. 453 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,600 And I'm not sure I'd quite grasp the ramifications of everything 454 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,520 you're saying there. Yeah, Yeah. 455 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,120 And so in my process, so my big like I can pinpoint like the 456 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,160 moment my world shifted, like it's, it's interesting because 457 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,800 some people ask like, when did that happen? 458 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,640 And it was, I think it was 2015 like July and there was a public 459 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,960 meeting and Boston Consulting Group had closed 23 Philadelphia 460 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,440 public schools and laid off 3000 teachers and slashed all the 461 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,120 budgets in that spring. And then that summer they 462 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,840 implemented a School Report card. 463 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,160 So they had closed these schools predominantly in low income 464 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,080 black and brown communities. There's issues with kids like 465 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,520 getting to school Gang St. violence. 466 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,560 I mean, everything was discombobulated, right? 467 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,720 And schools were some of the few civic institutions that were 468 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,880 holding communities together. That was the table was flipped, 469 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,240 right? And now we're like, we're gonna 470 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,600 grade you with a report card, but not the charter schools, 471 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,000 right? And, and so we, you know, and 472 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,400 they have these meetings in the summer, so they don't expect 473 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,400 anyone to come. And so we organized like 50 474 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,240 people to go to the meeting and, and we knew it's all Delphi, 475 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,400 right? And so we have like little 476 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,240 placards with our, our displeasure, like, and it wasn't 477 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,280 graphic, like we weren't cursing, but we are very 478 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,240 insistent about that. This was not fair. 479 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,440 Like this is, and you know, of course they have like a 27 year 480 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840 old guy who's the low person on, you know, who's giving this 481 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,880 spiel. And finally, essentially they 482 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,240 admit that the money for this project was coming from the 483 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,800 Michael and Susan Dell Foundation, right? 484 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,160 And so and, and at the time, again, this is like the 485 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,040 elephant, like I'm zoomed in on like a pour of the skin on the 486 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,440 elephant. I'm like, oh, you're here to get 487 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520 rid of humans and sell computers, right? 488 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120 Because this is a profit center. And then and then it zoomed out 489 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,120 a little bit like, oh, you're interested in data, right? 490 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:02,600 Like, oh, the, the Dell's largest client is the NSA, 491 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,360 right? Like when Snowden went to like 492 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:08,040 do all his leaks from the NSA, he was a contractor to Dell, 493 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,160 right? And so I'm like, oh, wow, it's 494 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,760 not just money. It's like data, It's 495 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,040 surveillance, right? And then I learned about human 496 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,960 capital finance. So like essentially betting on 497 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,800 futures of children as data and that required a digital 498 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,320 identity. And so I was aware of the 499 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,280 digital identity system way before it became a thing with 500 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,160 passport, health passports and things. 501 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,640 And then I kept moving back and back and eventually I got to the 502 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,840 point like one of the things with the they were particularly 503 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,640 interested in pre-K. So there were certain social 504 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,760 impact bonds, they called them or not then pay for success and 505 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,600 then value based contracts. And it involved the government 506 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,800 because the government would provide access, right? 507 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,360 Because the government was defunded. 508 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,160 So then the government would say, well, we can provide access 509 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,560 to these individuals, whether they be children, children and 510 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,080 people in addiction, homeless people, blah, blah, blah. 511 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,400 Like whatever. We've got the Social Security 512 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,960 numbers, we can give you the access. 513 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,960 And then the investors would invest in social welfare 514 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960 programs, whether they be education or addiction treatment 515 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,320 or house supportive housing. And then the nonprofits, which 516 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,560 would many of which were faith-based too. 517 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,440 So they would just be somewhere not face based. 518 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,080 But there's a lot of overlapping include the hospital systems. 519 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,800 A lot of them are have a faith-based component. 520 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,560 And then they would collect the data. 521 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440 And so you could end up with a weird situation where like the 522 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,720 government is defunded, they hand over access for an 523 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,080 intervention for literacy to Hewlett Packard Foundation is 524 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,840 funding it. But the kids all have to be on 525 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,200 Hewlett Packard tablets and do the thing to collect the data to 526 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,720 verify the Hewlett Packard ideal. 527 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,760 So the children end up just being like, like washing 528 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,480 machines. Wrist for the male or whatever, 529 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,160 yeah, they're working through the machine, yeah. 530 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720 Yeah, right. And, and, and then and I'm like 531 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,720 this does not like, and I found a 2012 document that said 532 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,760 essentially we're going to use this investment in early 533 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,640 literacy and early childhood education to create globally 534 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,200 traded derivative securities like liquid assets. 535 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,600 And I'm like, but that did not work out well with the housing 536 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,040 market in 2008. Like, what do we think we're 537 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,680 going to do? Like a whole bunch of like low 538 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,480 income kids, right? And put them on digital wallets 539 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,680 and do this thing, right? And still to this day, no one 540 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,920 will talk about that like because it doesn't fit anyone's 541 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,120 world model because it involves the government and the 542 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,720 corporations and the nonprofits and the religious groups. 543 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,920 And so everyone picks one that is their thing. 544 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,280 Like I'm the pro, you know, faith-based thing, or I'm the 545 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,840 pro free market thing or I'm the pro government thing. 546 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,680 And no one can entertain the idea that actually the entire 547 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320 system is involved. And so if it is, then then what 548 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,160 do we do? Right, Because we can't other 549 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480 someone and in these, and I think it's natural for human 550 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,640 beings to archetypally want to be a hero, want to be the most 551 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,080 of us, want to be the good person. 552 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,960 Like maybe there's a few psychopaths out there, but for 553 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840 the most part then maybe, you know, there's maybe a slightly 554 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,640 larger chunk of people just don't care either way. 555 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960 But most people want to live a life that has meaning and feel 556 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,880 like they're on the right side. So if all of a sudden you say 557 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440 actually the whole thing is really messed up and like we'd 558 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920 actually have to all come together to figure out how to 559 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,400 fix it, then you start to lose your identity because you're 560 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,000 only you because you're not them does that. 561 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,440 Make sense, Kind of where we're, I mean, isn't that where we're 562 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,760 headed or where we're at right now? 563 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,640 I keep saying, I'm pretty sure that people on either end of the 564 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,760 political spectrum would agree that putting children on 565 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040 surveillance, play tables to watch their behaviors and then 566 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,640 feed it to an AI to run a derivatives market for global 567 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,320 investors is not the what we should be doing. 568 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000 And of course, it takes me another five years to realize, 569 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,840 Oh my gosh, those flat screen TV's with the fisheye cameras 570 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,000 are scrying devices, you know? And. 571 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,880 Not even to the sigh part, you know, I'm not even to the point 572 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,040 of like child divination, but I'm like, you know, we we could 573 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,160 all agree that well, or if we are going to go back to a 574 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,000 culture of classical antiquity where we engage children in 575 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,600 divinatory practices, that we do it with some measure of ethics 576 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,000 and informed consent. And that's if it sent all this 577 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,720 to Julia Mossbridge. I'm like, yes, it's not just non 578 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,720 speaking autistic people. It could possibly be the entire 579 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,040 Head Start program. Whether the people on the ground 580 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,160 know that it's happening or not, the data that gets churned up is 581 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,440 what's get sucks into these systems and and propagates it 582 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720 all right or makes it valuable, I guess I mean. 583 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,200 The challenge is so much of the story is techno fascism, right 584 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,960 or control system or authoritarian top, authoritarian 585 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560 top down. And because I came in with the 586 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,720 digital identity education wallet that will be linked to 587 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,160 school choice, which is Jeffrey. Yeah, Susquehanna International 588 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,760 Group and TikTok, right? That it's the wisdom of the 589 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,520 crowd in oscillation. It's about oscillating 590 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,200 frequencies, right? And so suddenly you've got an 591 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,680 education savings account or a digital wallet. 592 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,520 That's your digital identity, that's your learn card, right? 593 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,360 That is creating, recreating you as a digital twin, as a 594 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,720 hypergraph, right, With all of the digital information you 595 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,520 interact with, like, you know, John Lilly and programming your 596 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240 bio computer. It has all of that information 597 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,480 down to every single TikTok video, right to the people you 598 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,560 interact with, to the waves of you as digital information. 599 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,200 And I think in the core of that, that that's where it starts to 600 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,480 link into higher level math and these other higher dimensional 601 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,280 polyhedra shapes, which is something I never imagined like 602 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000 getting to that point. But we I want to. 603 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,360 Dive into that, people. To that place to even understand 604 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,880 that's a thing, not just school choice is like, I lived for 605 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,080 years, and I'm saying this as someone who went through 606 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,520 multiple processes of occupying space, acknowledging my model 607 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,400 had to shift, shifting to a new model, learning more, shifting, 608 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,160 shifting, shifting. I'm never going to get to the 609 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,960 ultimate model. I know that it's simply a 610 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,520 process of like going through and trying to be authentic and 611 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,520 ethical in where you are at the moment. 612 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,520 But for many years it was public school parents versus private 613 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,120 school parents versus home school parents. 614 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,960 They made us think we were all against each other. 615 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,640 That was not it. And then I thought, oh, this is 616 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,920 about AI against all the kids and investors. 617 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,480 And no, it's not actually that. It's something that involves a 618 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,600 higher dimensional gestalt pattern, right? 619 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,680 And so how do we, Yeah, if we're going to engage in child 620 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440 divination, like we should start to go back and look at classical 621 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000 antiquity, right? And the mystery schools and 622 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,720 Eurythmy and Gurdshev in embodiment and frequency and 623 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,080 morphic resonance and all of. But then we would have to 624 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,280 revisit what it is to be embodied as energetic beings and 625 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,440 not simply blobs of like bags of water with DNA, right? 626 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,800 Like as a material thing. And there's just a very narrow 627 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,480 slice I find in people who can entertain all of those things 628 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,520 simultaneously and get. Exactly. 629 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,800 Jumps in and if those things are at the root of the problem or I 630 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,440 mean there's an ontological break that's necessary for the 631 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,040 masses for them to even be to begin to entertain these kinds 632 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,120 of ideas and. I'm always wrong. 633 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,440 Like at this point, like I make these giant relationship maps, 634 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,960 right? It is my mind pulse. 635 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,960 And initially I was making them on a software called 636 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,560 littlesis.org. And it's funny because like, 637 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,520 eventually I realized that it's all funded by open society. 638 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,680 So it was a honeypot. And they were setting up 639 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,040 research teams in all the big cities to research the bad guys, 640 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,840 who are always the Republicans. But what's so ironic is in the 641 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,360 big cities, most all the big cities are run by Democrats. 642 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,120 So I give you, you know, and so it was very strange. 643 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,840 It kept making these beautiful complex maps going look, and 644 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,680 nobody on those teams wanted to pay attention. 645 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,720 Then eventually I made like 400 awesome maps and it was linked 646 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,000 to a database behind. So it was, it was very tedious, 647 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360 but it rewired my brain, if that makes sense. 648 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,320 But it was my direction. And yeah, they, this guy, Ziggy 649 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,280 at the Public School of Public Health at Columbia University, I 650 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,120 erased all 400 maps. Some of them were staged on 651 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,159 webweb.orarchive.org about, you know, maybe a third of them are 652 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,360 still preserved. And they couldn't wipe all the 653 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,760 data in the databases. A lot of that is still there. 654 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,560 But then I bumped over to it. But I was very judgy at that 655 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,400 stage. At that stage, I was still 656 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,120 making people right and wrong and saying like, I have the high 657 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,520 ground, moral high ground. And you're. 658 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,800 And, and then I shifted and I, I started with a new software 659 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120 called kumu dot IO with a KKUMU dot IO. 660 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,560 And and so then I became and less judgy in making the 661 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,480 connections and simply it is what it is. 662 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,639 And what's so fascinating is to go back every couple of years 663 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,440 with new information and you can read the depth of the 664 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,400 relationships in a new way because you haven't narrowed it 665 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,960 right. You haven't pre decided the 666 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,280 good, bad part. And so you're like, oh, you 667 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,080 could imagine a different outcome to this story. 668 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,720 And that's where imagination is so important. 669 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,440 And that's why I think children are so important is because they 670 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,800 haven't been fully domesticated in their imagination. 671 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,440 So like, how do you navigate the physics of quantum information 672 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,120 in a way to reimagine? Like for me, the ultimate presto 673 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,240 changeo trick is like, oh, blockchain isn't simply a hash 674 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,520 graph, digital hypergraph, digital twin that the World Bank 675 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,080 can use to speculate on your behavior as a global worker, gig 676 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,880 worker, which there's every reason to believe that's one 677 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,000 version of the story. You could invert it and be like, 678 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,720 oh, actually you're a constellated instance of an 679 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,880 archetypal pattern operating across dimensions and your 680 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,240 blockchain digital twin is your copilot as you navigate in and 681 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,400 out of higher level reality, right? 682 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,160 And that's a totally different story. 683 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,880 And they're, they both can sit side by side and you can still 684 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,200 kind of hold both of them. But if I was stuck in the first 685 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,400 version, I would never have gotten to the second version. 686 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,640 Well, and how much of that future is undetermined? 687 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,880 I mean, it's up to us to make we're. 688 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,040 The Co creator. Either one of those stories 689 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,400 true, right and and. So the, but the, the challenge 690 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,440 is because of the level of trauma that people went through 691 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,880 and the fact that that trauma was managed through digital 692 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,200 physics, right on sub stacks on Twitter or X and on all of these 693 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,760 places, people have built their digital identity themselves 694 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,840 already. They don't need the Klaus Schwab 695 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880 to do it. They've built a digital it's in 696 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,280 a tractor field, right? And it's very hard to step out 697 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120 because I was multiple. I was I essentially remove 698 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,680 myself from Facebook after I was attacked by like I was part of, 699 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,960 but it was the best thing that happened to me. 700 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,240 Like again, it felt terrible at the time, but it you know, same 701 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:47,400 thing on Twitter, same thing on I now just have a YouTube 702 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,400 channel in my WordPress blog. Like I know, you know, like I, I 703 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,160 don't know, people still find my WordPress blog, but I'm very 704 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:01,240 small in my digital footprint. But I don't know, like it's in 705 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,480 not that that's better. It's just a different flavor of 706 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,720 what? But but Pete, it's hard to walk 707 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,960 away from the community. If you spend 2 hours of your day 708 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,720 trolling sub stacks and you love the people in the comments even 709 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,320 though you've never met them. If you start to entertain a 710 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,560 different imaginative version of the story that might be able to 711 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,760 invert the trauma into something different, you would be an 712 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,040 outcast, right? Because it there would be the 713 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,360 finger pointing of saying, oh, now you're one of them. 714 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,640 Sold out or you've somehow switched teams or or whatever it 715 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,040 is, yeah. And so, but if you can exist a 716 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,360 little bit on the margins, you can entertain these ideas as 717 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,200 long as you say, like I say, this is just my animus live 718 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,720 action role play musical. Like I'm not telling you it's 719 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,040 yours. You've got your own. 720 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,320 I keep, you know, people will send me stuff and I would be 721 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,520 like, it's a choose your own adventure. 722 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,520 Make it good. Like make it good for you. 723 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,120 Yeah, no, I hear that. Like make sure that it's the one 724 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,600 you want because we actually have more agency than we 725 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,320 realize. I. 726 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,000 Want to dive into some things here. 727 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,320 So you had said, OK, first of all you mentioned children 728 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,160 scrying, which I think I need to, I need to know more about. 729 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,640 But then also that there is this gestalt that seems to be a 730 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:16,920 motivator in this. Does that gestalt, which is I 731 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,360 guess sort of driving some of these these things, is it sort 732 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,000 of a classically considered being with intention or is it 733 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,200 just a collection of the habits and tendencies of human beings 734 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,680 generally that is seems to have a level of independence now? 735 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,440 Yeah. Does that make sense to you? 736 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,800 Yeah. Well, so every So I'm now in Hot 737 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,120 Springs, AR. It's a very woo woo place. 738 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,840 It's very different from Philadelphia. 739 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,280 It's a town of about 50,000 people and we're on one of the 740 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,280 world's most pristine quartz crystal beds. 741 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,360 So we're a giant oscillator. We have the third cleanest lake 742 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,360 in the country, surrounded by 1.8 million acres of National 743 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,800 Forest, which is kind of strange for this part of the country. 744 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,400 Like we're not in the West. So 1.8 million of pristine 745 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,000 Clearwater sitting on a quartz crystal bed. 746 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,240 So this this relates later a little bit to some stuff I might 747 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,320 say about ecological reservoir computing. 748 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,680 And yeah, so it's kind of like lots of people have left Sedona 749 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:18,880 and then come to Hot Springs, right. 750 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,160 So it's it's a very eclectic place, but for many, many years 751 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,200 was run by the mob. We were the center of illegal 752 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,760 gaming from 1920 till the 1968 when Winthrop Rockefeller of the 753 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,320 Rockefeller family, who was governor shut, shut down the 754 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,120 mob. And so I am I in my live action 755 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,920 role play musical. I have this theory that possibly 756 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,040 because quantum information is all probability and statistics, 757 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,760 which is essentially what gambling is. 758 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,520 And you have the hedge fund version, which is like the 759 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,640 public facing fine version. And then you've got the in the 760 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,800 time illegal version that maybe the mob was running quantum 761 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,080 reality from Hot Springs on this giant oscillator. 762 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,400 Whether they knew it or not, right? 763 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,760 I mean like exactly. And there was a lot of, there 764 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,800 was a lot of prostitution too. So I don't know if there was 765 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,440 like some like sex magic involved in some of that 766 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,760 energetic, like, it's not my main thing. 767 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,000 But like, like in the 1960s, they were doing $100 million in 768 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,080 cash and gambling a year and 40 million in prostitution. 769 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,000 And this was before credit cards, you know, so that's a lot 770 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,760 of moving money around. And of course, we're we're 771 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,000 Clinton country originally until they became New Yorkers And 772 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,040 connection to the Waltons, which the Waltons are really important 773 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,440 in all of this. Sam Walton and networking 774 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,480 networked information and Alice Walton, one of the largest one 775 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,640 of the richest women in the world who has a thing for 776 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,600 crystals and art and working with Deepak Chopra on new models 777 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,240 of healthcare and mental health and this woman, Dana Klistens 778 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,560 rewilding the mind. So there is a lot Winthrop 779 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,920 Rockefeller was governor, right? How does a Rockefeller end up 780 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,960 being governor? You've got Jay and West Virginia 781 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,000 and then you've got Winthrop Pier and we were this the, the 782 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,600 first Lindisfarne Association peer-to-peer Meta industrial 783 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,040 village in 1981. And Bill Clinton hosted the 784 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,760 first climate summit like in Meadow Creek, Arkansas, 3 miles 785 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,680 down a dirt road and, and Hillary is very close with Sam 786 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,080 Walton. So we've got all of these 787 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,200 energetic systems working in Arkansas, which is just, you 788 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,080 know, essentially sidelined because of the civil rights 789 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,640 stuff, right? And I think actually, I spoke 790 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,480 with a reporter here, they're doing a documentary on Winthrop, 791 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,080 and they said, you know, Brown versus Topeka Board of 792 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,080 Education. It happened four or five years 793 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,840 before. And, you know, places in the 794 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,160 South were flagrantly not adhering to into, you know, 795 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,920 desegregation rules. But this was the time with the 796 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,240 Little Rock High School that TV came on the scene nightly news. 797 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,040 And so this was timed with the nightly news to make us a 798 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,240 spectacle of like, you don't want to have anything to do with 799 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,560 Arkansas. They're all retrograde, no? 800 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,880 Essentially backward. And so we got mothballed for 801 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,560 like, and I think for now, right, I think we're mothballed 802 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,880 until the oscillators and the ecological crystal systems come 803 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,840 on board. So anyway, so I, I'm around a 804 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880 lot of people. I was not a woo woo person. 805 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,480 I, you know, like I said, NPR liberal sort of radical left. 806 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,160 What the hell happened? But these people like they have 807 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,000 connections to higher selves, other sections of information. 808 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,800 And, and for me, it's more symbolic. 809 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,720 There's there's this woman, Freya Matthews, I think she's a 810 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,480 professor in Australia and she talks about onto poetics and 811 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,520 like the world talking to you symbolically. 812 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,040 And I have my onto. I love that word. 813 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,640 And I will get like be digging out a cat briar in under my 814 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,840 hedge and being like, OK, there's something to this. 815 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,400 And I go up and it turns out cat briars are in this sub tropical 816 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,280 region around the entire earth. And the ones in classical 817 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,320 antiquity were used as a purgative to reground yourself 818 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,920 after psychedelic trips doing like, mystery school initiation. 819 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560 You know, like, I get these things, but it's not like I'm 820 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,960 hearing voices. I just get like, symbols. 821 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,200 But the other symbol for me, weirdly, is Neil Stephenson, 822 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,200 who's the novelist. No dude come on now, you 823 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,480 mentioned him last time and I love his books. 824 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040 Like I've read every single one over the course of like 6 825 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,520 months. I think the only one I didn't 826 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040 read was the one he Co wrote Dodo I think. 827 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,040 No, that's a good one. You need to read that one. 828 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,520 It's. All at. 829 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,720 Least you really had it's branchial space, it's timeline 830 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,320 and knots and braiding and chord magic topology. 831 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,680 So it actually he involves Fresnel lenses and projection 832 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480 and Shakespeare. Like it's so on point. 833 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,880 So every all of the pieces, it's sort of like it's almost like, 834 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000 you know, people do bibliometry with like the Bible or 835 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,520 something. They'll open to a passage and be 836 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,160 like, this is my message, right? Like for me, it's Neil Stevenson 837 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,080 books. And of course, he did start, you 838 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,200 know, Snow Crash first to use the term the metaverse and on 839 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,480 encryption. And essentially in 840 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,800 Cryptonomicon, there's a section where there's there a guy is in 841 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,040 a prison cell and he's talking to someone part of an esoteric 842 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,400 group And, and it turns out it's connected to Athena. 843 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,160 And he's like, you know, how did you not? 844 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,760 Rude, right? Is that not rude? 845 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,200 Right. Yeah. 846 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,640 And he's like, well, how did you know it was me? 847 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,720 And it's like, well, I could just tell like they'd exchanged 848 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,760 emails And it's like, well, I like, what if we're all 849 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,360 patterns, like we are in eternal patterns existing at a higher 850 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,840 dimension, but we're instances. So if Athena, the archetype 851 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040 shows up, she's not going to be like with her Aegis and you 852 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,560 know, helmet, but she may hold that pattern as something, you 853 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,040 know else. And so I feel like it's very 854 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,680 interesting that all the a lot of the crypto which people are 855 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,520 focused on the money, I focus more on spatial computing and 856 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,760 patterns and, and in the wet that part of Web 3 and social 857 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,360 system and social system, not engineering for limiting, but 858 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,040 engineering for navigation. They're all based, many of them 859 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,720 are based in Switzerland. And so there is this overlap 860 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:19,360 with Jungian archetypes, right? And then but also not just 861 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:24,840 young, but like Leibniz and the Iching and the Tao and Tao and. 862 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,920 Taro, I mean, there's connections. 863 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,640 Archetypal patterns. And so if we imagine that we're 864 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,960 in 3D space-time as an instance of a larger pattern in a higher 865 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,360 dimension. Fractal. 866 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,800 The fractal right, right. Like we're the the bit of 867 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,320 Internet right looking from where we're looking at. 868 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,520 And that's why phenomenology is so important then yeah, like be 869 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,520 authentic to who you are, right, Like resonate to your people. 870 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,960 You would the world would be super boring if we were all the 871 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,320 same. And I think that what's coming 872 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,920 with Web 3 is the potential for us to unlock uniqueness of our 873 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,560 authentic selves more so than a prevailing story. 874 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,800 That is everything isn't about being top down, flattening and 875 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,040 making people in a behaviorist way all fit a certain mold. 876 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,720 I I think it's actually the story could be something very 877 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,040 different working with archetypes. 878 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,760 So for me, like the gestalt comes largely and reinforced in 879 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,400 the Stevenson books, Cryptonomicon, the baroque cycle 880 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,320 is like, yeah, no, I think actually we could be patterns, 881 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,040 right? We could be hypergraphs, these 882 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,840 things that we're scared of that I was very scared of like 883 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,680 digital twins. It could be that it's chi and 884 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,680 prana. It's an ancient system that it 885 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,520 pre exists. Today's costume is technology, 886 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,760 right? Interesting. 887 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,920 So I mean, by vilifying the web like so many of us have done, 888 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,160 our technology more generally, we're kind of missing out on the 889 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,840 fact that this is just a manifestation of an eternal 890 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,440 pattern that's coming up again and the setting that we live in, 891 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,920 which is digital. Story like this is what I'm 892 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:57,640 saying. I'm not. 893 00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,640 Saying OK it is. Sure. 894 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,080 Yeah, my version of the live action role play. 895 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,760 I am currently foregrounding this idea that it's actually, 896 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:09,520 and this comes from I, you know, I, I have, there's a lot of 897 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,040 ascensiony sort of folks here and I'm not really ascensiony 898 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,520 because I feel like nature is cycles. 899 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,720 Like I, I feel like it's not some upper trajectory and then 900 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,600 it's the end like that it, it's, it's up and down, up and down, 901 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,720 up and down. But I was very frustrated with 902 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,600 someone who is a lovely individual, but I was like, 903 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,200 where did this new age come from? 904 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,440 Like I need to know, you know, the research in me, like where 905 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,240 is all this coming from? And, and I was just being 906 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,800 triggered. Like I would do it differently 907 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,480 now, but I was, but it was good. It was a good triggering because 908 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,640 I, I looked in, it came out of Fintorn, which was the first eco 909 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,840 village in the UK in the 60s. And then later David Spangler 910 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,920 and William Irwin Thompson were Americans went there and brought 911 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,120 these ideas back. And then the Lindisfarne 912 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,640 Association and things came out of that which have significance. 913 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,880 But in Findhorn, essentially they got these downloads at 914 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,760 Glastonbury to go to Scotland on a beach and make an organic 915 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,760 garden. And they weren't even like they 916 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,400 were in a gypsy caravan and they got there and they're like, 917 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,840 well, this doesn't look like a good place for a garden. 918 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,960 And they said we'll talk to the Davis. 919 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160 And so this one moment was like, OK, talk to the Davis. 920 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,640 Davis are the patterns, they're the gestalt, right? 921 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,920 And there's an overlap now with Anthroposophy and the etheric 922 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,560 and the projective geometry, right? 923 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,280 Like to this interface, the etheric, the point in which the, 924 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,880 the energetic, the ethereal and the material overlap. 925 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,520 And they had this amazing garden. 926 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,360 There was ABBC documentary about it. 927 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,760 Eve Balfour was part of she wasn't, I don't think she 928 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,480 affiliated with Ventorn, but part of that documentary and it 929 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600 Balfour was the niece of Arthur Balfour, the Prime Minister of 930 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,920 England, the Balfour Declaration, the great Israel, 931 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,960 but he was also the head of the Society for Psychical Research, 932 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,080 right. And so, so like in, in the, it 933 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,560 applying scientific principles in the early, late 19th, early 934 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,520 20th century to communication with the dead. 935 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,600 But the dead is simply another information field in my mind. 936 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,360 It's not yet it's is, is is another quantum level of 937 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,560 information. So this, this guy, Oliver 938 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,960 Crombie was like the elder statesman of Findhorn and he had 939 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,640 a had a heart condition and was a musician. 940 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,600 There's something important about the heart and the Taurus 941 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,200 field, the time keeper of space-time. 942 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,480 And so he didn't wasn't in World War Two. 943 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,160 He lived for a long time in a gameskeeper's cottage with no 944 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,240 electricity, no running water. He would do nude sunbathing, 945 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:30,560 turned out on crossed Ley lines and then eventually like met up 946 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,280 with Pan in a garden and had these long these conversations 947 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,760 with Pan and, you know, met the elves and the fae and things and 948 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,440 and he's like, well, why do I see this? 949 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,960 And he's like, well, you, you new sunbathe on the Ley line for 950 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,320 10 years, but probably maybe the heart condition. 951 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,880 And you, you can I believe. And he said, you know, we look 952 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,200 like this because you expect us to look like this. 953 00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:00,120 And so if you're in in 1940s England, a higher dimensional 954 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,920 consciousness is going to look like the Fae, right? 955 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,920 If if you're in India, it will look like the Davis. 956 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,120 If you're in 21st century, it's. Gonna look like a UFO. 957 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,880 It can look like a. UFO. 958 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480 Yeah, technology slash UFO. Yeah, exactly. 959 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,040 Yeah. Yeah, it's. 960 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,840 Like what you expect. So if there's a higher 961 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,440 dimensional information structure pattern that wants to 962 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,720 come down and be like, guys, come on water bearer, you need 963 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,160 to step up your game a little bit. 964 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,160 Like it might come down and sit in a robot. 965 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,840 Yeah. You know, and, and again, I say 966 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,160 this as someone who was very anti anti anti all those things, 967 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,160 but in being anti all those things, I seem to have actually 968 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,440 amplified it. And, and if you can flip the 969 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,440 script into a way that's not denying it, but like another, an 970 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,120 alternate story, you could hold in the other hand and say it's 971 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,320 possible. What if our higher self wanted 972 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,640 to come down and give us some guidance? 973 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,800 And what if it looked like a stupid learner wallet that I was 974 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,520 so mad about, right? Like, you know, what if the 975 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,080 World Bank is the, the bank is actually an interdimensional 976 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,400 current, right? And like we're actually, because 977 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:15,080 in the Dodo books by Stevenson, there's a version it overlaps 978 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,880 with Enoch Root and the oh, I'm, I'm trying to remember the name. 979 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,640 It was the foggers, the bankers who I think are like a hat tip 980 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,920 to the Warburgs and, and it overlaps art and money and 981 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,440 timelines, art and money and timelines. 982 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,880 And so I'm like, huh, okay, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm holding on 983 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,800 to that. It's a symbol. 984 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,800 How do we get in? You know, how do we get into 985 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,360 that and the art and the poetry? For me, I really love Peter 986 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,480 Kingsley's work all up until the end. 987 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,240 He, he still has the apocalyptic frame, like the world is ending 988 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,200 and I'm here to tell you that it's ending and, and God bless 989 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,960 him, like somebody has to do that role. 990 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,440 So that's OK. I don't, I'm not in that space. 991 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:57,080 But his idea of dream incubation, the the pre Socratic 992 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,560 thinkers, the going into the deeper places to bring back laws 993 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,640 and poetry and knowledge from the other side. 994 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,880 I think it's terribly, terribly relevant and central, actually, 995 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,680 weirdly to the Web 3 space. OK, real quick. 996 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,920 Neil Stephenson, what is he? How does he, I mean, like he has 997 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,040 such a vision. Well, no, I mean, that's like a 998 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,800 is he a reflection of a of an ancient pattern that a 999 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,200 reincarnated soul, an old soul? I mean, how do you see? 1000 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,200 That I think we all are in some version right, but I mean I'm 1001 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,640 constantly flabbergasted by like looking at Reddit's because like 1002 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,200 he his books get lots and lots. You know, besides the fact that 1003 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,000 people are like he has terrible endings, but no one gets this 1004 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,320 higher level and I so I don't know, is like, is he like my 1005 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,040 sorcerer? You know, like I don't know how 1006 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,640 I would get so lucky. But you know, it's interesting 1007 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,720 because I don't know if we'll get around to the Vestahouse 1008 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:54,400 stuff, but there's connections between the Long Now foundation 1009 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,960 and some stuff that's happening in Hot Springs. 1010 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,840 And from my understanding, Kevin Kelly who created Wired magazine 1011 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,920 key player in Long Now. What is long now for us, if you 1012 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:12,200 can sort of break that down. Foundation is Stewart Brand and 1013 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,480 Kevin Kelly, so they go back to the early hacker culture of the 1014 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:23,480 90s and you know, whole earth kind of stuff and metaphysical. 1015 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,920 And then they were working on this 10,000 year clock in West 1016 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:35,200 TX with Danny Hillis, who was at MIT working on massive parallel 1017 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,680 computing, but then at Disney, right? 1018 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,640 Archetypal. And it's now you're, they're 1019 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,960 digging like a giant chamber for a 10,000 year clock with Jeff 1020 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,560 Bezos's money in, in the, the Diablo mountains of West TX. 1021 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,680 And supposedly like it's, it's a fascinating thing. 1022 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,560 And so like I'm feeling somehow this clock is like some sort of 1023 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,760 symbolic anchor to ecological reserve computing over a long. 1024 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,640 Essentially they say it's about long term thinking, but I think 1025 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,120 these are people who would also understand that maybe everything 1026 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,040 is happening at the same time. Yeah. 1027 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,840 So it's a giant oscillator. Yeah, clock. 1028 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,360 And it was based on Anathem. I don't know if you read 1029 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,880 Stevenson's book Anathem. It did anathem, yes. 1030 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,800 So that's what the clock is based on his work on anathem, 1031 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,560 like on the ringing, the years, the annual, you know, 10 years, 1032 00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,240 100 years, thousand years. So they went and built the clock 1033 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,200 for Stevenson, essentially. And the mafic society, remember, 1034 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,360 they chant the math. It's a frequency. 1035 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,640 It's a frequency chant. So like, it all starts to add 1036 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,080 up. And I mean, I'm willing to say 1037 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,120 like, I could be wrong. I could be apophenic. 1038 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,800 I could be laying all out these pieces that don't only make 1039 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,680 sense to me, but I think they're pretty cool. 1040 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,480 And many people have read all of these books. 1041 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,120 I'm like, So what is going on here? 1042 00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:59,560 Like could it be connected to this E8, you know situation in 1043 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:00,800 this situation? Well, that's where I wanted to 1044 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,800 go next actually is the E8 and the. 1045 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,960 Yeah. And a little bit about category 1046 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,600 theory because that's something to do with. 1047 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,720 Yeah, yeah. But just real quick, I mean, 1048 00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:14,480 it's kind of synchronistic for me because I had not read any 1049 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,360 Neil Stephenson. And then I read Cryptonomicon a 1050 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,040 couple of years ago and I was really intrigued by it, but his 1051 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,320 style of writing was kind of overwhelming to me at that 1052 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,680 moment. But then as I've gotten into 1053 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,120 this podcast and all the things that I'm doing associated with 1054 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,760 that, I went on a stretch where I read nothing but Neil 1055 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,080 Stephenson for like a year. I mean book after book after 1056 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,200 book after book. I'm telling. 1057 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,480 You it's like, yeah. And there's so much there that's 1058 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,560 current for what's happening now and the way that we're moving 1059 00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,400 into the future and what might be possible. 1060 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,320 And if people haven't dived into his work, I highly suggest it 1061 00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,240 and be prepared to have your socks blown off. 1062 00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:51,640 I mean, it's like alchemy and, and, you know, just the whole 1063 00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,160 gamut of cool subjects all intertwined together in a way 1064 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:59,400 that tells an amazing series of stories that are kind of, you 1065 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,760 know, nested Russian, Russian nesting dolls. 1066 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,520 Like they're one within the other. 1067 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,760 Penetrating. Yeah, Yes, exactly. 1068 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,080 Well. There's a great chapter in the 1069 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,120 confusion, which is part of the Baroque cycle, which again, he, 1070 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,120 he has a great way of mixing A fictional story arc with 1071 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,320 historical characters. And so you can go back and look 1072 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,880 people up. So, you know, like, oh, this is 1073 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,080 a lot about natural philosophers in economics and the, the, the 1074 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,280 shift between physical gold and securities trade and the, the 1075 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,880 movement of that in, in the context of wars in England and 1076 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,200 France and and pirates, right, like. 1077 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,240 Yeah, yeah, totally. Kinds of things about how you 1078 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,560 move money and how and I think it's really about how you move 1079 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,080 energy and how you move information. 1080 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,080 And so point of that is that the, the, you know, 1081 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,480 disagreements between Leibniz and Newton, right. 1082 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,560 And so the thing about Newton, though, like he has the alchemy, 1083 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,040 he has the optics, he has, you know, the, the scientific 1084 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,480 background, the, the Christian, it's sort of situated within a 1085 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,480 faith-based thing. And the Royal Mint, right. 1086 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,520 So got all of these. And then John Maynard Keynes 1087 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,680 bought all of Newton's alchemical books in the 1930s. 1088 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,760 And then he he of Schumacher, of Buddhist economics and the 1089 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,400 Schumacher Institute in West western Massachusetts. 1090 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,560 They were proposing Bancorp, which was a global currency at 1091 00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,120 Bretton Woods, the original Bretton Woods, and it did not 1092 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,240 gain traction. But then later in 2019, the 1093 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,120 summer of 2019, they had the 75th anniversary of Bretton 1094 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,520 Woods at the hotel. I can't remember the name of the 1095 00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,560 Mount Washington Hotel in New Hampshire. 1096 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,360 It's hosted by Bancorp. Gallia Banarzi who reinvented 1097 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,600 like re lifted up Bancorp for the tokenization age for liquid 1098 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,480 securities with Brock Pierce and Hollow Chain and like very many 1099 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,120 high level blockchain folks and central bankers. 1100 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,280 And like Rhian Einsler of the Blade and the Chalice was a 1101 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,840 keynote speaker and Charles Eisenstein was there and 1102 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,880 Michaela Uluru and like many, many high level people were all 1103 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,960 there under the aegis of Gallia Banarzi. 1104 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,200 And her mentor I think who had just this may be passed was 1105 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,200 Bernard Leotere, who was a Belgian economist who oversaw 1106 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,600 the role of the euro. But in a 2008 interview 1107 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,040 essentially said my main work is sacred geometry and esoteric 1108 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,880 earth based energy work. Right. 1109 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,840 I mean, it's just ridiculous how all this stuff is connected 1110 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,000 this. Whole thing with Newton Buddhist 1111 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,200 economics frequency current like we don't under and and what 1112 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,800 Leoterre was advancing was community currency, which is a 1113 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,160 parallel currency to like a stable coin right. 1114 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,080 And so my sense is, is where we're moving in terms of the 1115 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,520 Gaia hypothesis, you know, the Margolis Lovelock is, is that 1116 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:52,160 there is an energetic system where there is a like a 1117 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,960 translation, like a universal translation, which is the stable 1118 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,000 coin. But all the different organs, 1119 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,600 all the different story plots, all the different geographies 1120 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,360 have their own currency that are sending signals that speak to 1121 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,480 the story at in real time. And so no one will talk about 1122 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,560 community currency. They'll only talk about CBDC's 1123 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,920 like, but community currency is central, central, central. 1124 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,560 And like the Catherine, Austin and Fitz people like they won't 1125 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,560 talk about that, even though like anyone who's working in 1126 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,040 that space should understand leotare in his role and be 1127 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,400 especially people who are interested in more alternative 1128 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,360 thinking. OK, so this guy who implemented 1129 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,840 the euro and his protege, she developed an initial community 1130 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,240 currency in Israel for single women that would be linked to 1131 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,280 social impact with Ari Ben David, who is the Jerusalem 1132 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,080 contact for the anthroposophists. 1133 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,480 So there is this overlap with anthroposophy and the the free 1134 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,720 social threefolding and esoteric economics. 1135 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,760 And then you know, anthroposophy is Goethe and morphic resonance, 1136 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,640 right? And so you've got it all aligns. 1137 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,920 I mean it all. It doesn't disconnect, it 1138 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,280 doesn't fall apart. This idea but but then you would 1139 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,080 have to re. Be willing to step back from the 1140 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,840 top down, make everything the same into the idea that it could 1141 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,440 be an emergent auto poetic, complex, non linear dynamical 1142 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,320 system. And then it's like a dance that 1143 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,800 we're having together to to get to a higher place. 1144 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,240 And it's not easy. I mean, I'm not because believe 1145 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,560 me, I was very invested in the dark story for a long time, but 1146 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,560 it wasn't going anywhere good. Like if if you live in that 1147 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,720 place, it's not, it's not. The genie is not going back in 1148 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,240 the bottle. There's no hope. 1149 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,920 Yeah, there's. It's like. 1150 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,240 Just be sad for the rest of your life till you're dead. 1151 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,480 Exactly. And what you're offering is that 1152 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,600 these things that were that are happening in sort of these 1153 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,760 revolutions and finance and elsewhere may represent 1154 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,800 something positive in the end that we're only beginning to see 1155 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,760 how that might ultimately manifest. 1156 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,720 Yeah, exactly. And if you buy into that story, 1157 01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,960 right? And and if there is this thing 1158 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,240 with a higher, like these higher dimensions, which I didn't know, 1159 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,760 like I didn't understand about polytopes, like polyhedra are 1160 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,880 the three-dimensional ones. But then the polytopes are the 1161 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,600 higher dimensions, which we can only see shadows of in this 1162 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,600 world, right? You can create a model and shine 1163 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:14,680 a shadow. It's like, you know, the 1164 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,360 tesseracts and things like at the very basic level and Wrinkle 1165 01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:22,560 in Time, they do wins. It's the heart, you know, Like, 1166 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,400 you know, there are probably people who knew all along, but 1167 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,200 you can frame it as there's a cabal that are keeping things 1168 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,480 secret from us because they want to rule the world. 1169 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,000 And that, yeah, that's a story. Or you could be like, honestly, 1170 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,640 how many people would be willing to entertain this story? 1171 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,200 If people talked about it, they would get laughed out of the 1172 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,360 room. So they're not going to talk 1173 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,960 about it. It's not a matter of keeping a 1174 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,400 secret, keeping your reputation, you know? 1175 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,280 Yeah. Well, or just like I was always 1176 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,440 advocating for informed consent, OK, if we all agree to this and 1177 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,360 I think it's a bad idea, but everybody else thinks it's a 1178 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,200 good idea. I've had my, I've, I've, I've 1179 01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,360 conducted myself with my fiduciary responsibility and I 1180 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,080 can wash my hands of whatever happens because I, I did my 1181 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,520 part. But the reality is, is from the 1182 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,720 free energy principle world model, the vast majority of 1183 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,600 people are simply not because they're dumb. 1184 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,160 This is not an intelligence thing. 1185 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,240 There is not enough play in the models that they hold to 1186 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,440 entertain the idea that it could be something different like it. 1187 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,880 And and I wish like me. Fatalist. 1188 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,760 I mean like. And I don't know how to get 1189 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:28,840 there. I don't want to make those 1190 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,000 people dumb or bad or any they're not. 1191 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,760 It's just how consciousness seems to be working. 1192 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,400 And maybe it's the gestalt and there's just some hell liars, 1193 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,400 you know, And I'm just going to hold a frequency because I think 1194 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,320 at some point, and I wasn't even here when I came to Arkansas, I 1195 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,280 was still very traumatized. And the people here, they can 1196 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,280 hold a higher energy. And I'm like, I don't know. 1197 01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:55,200 And it actually, it's unfolding, OK, you know, And the people 1198 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,600 resent you if it's unfolding, OK. 1199 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,160 And I'm like, I don't know how to make it right for everybody. 1200 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,160 You actually kind of your adventure is your adventure. 1201 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,320 Well, and so much of it is like, too, if you're opposed to 1202 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,040 something when it's beginning and then you make you base your 1203 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,400 identity on that opposition, you kind of hope for it to turn out 1204 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,920 bad so that you can be proven right on the outside end of it. 1205 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,280 So it's it is twisted because it's like people talk about when 1206 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,000 a president that you oppose becomes, you know, wins 1207 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,640 election, Well, you hope his administration's a disaster so 1208 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,320 that you get a Democrat in four years, even though you're hoping 1209 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,440 that your country goes through four years of hell in order to 1210 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,880 get there. It's like there's we have to be 1211 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,800 willing to accept good things in opposition, even if they're not 1212 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,240 what we would have originally planned for. 1213 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,120 It's like be willing to amend your story like you're saying to 1214 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,840 accommodate the fact that they're things are way more 1215 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,600 complicated than we've ever anticipated. 1216 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,000 Exactly. And you and and nobody can hold 1217 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,960 all the stuff like I I remember early on in my education days 1218 01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,080 and there was a woman who was a teacher. 1219 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,720 She's like, you have more RAM than the actual average person, 1220 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,600 like you know, and I don't know why because I made all those 1221 01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,080 maps. So I like enhanced my I am, most 1222 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,640 people don't. So it's just like, then how do 1223 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:13,360 you bridge and and Michael Zargam is one of these people in 1224 01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,880 the socio cyber, physical, socio technical system space and all 1225 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,480 the people I wanted to make into the bad people. 1226 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,000 Like I don't like that. I don't like what they're doing. 1227 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,520 And I will fully admit there were many people early on when I 1228 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,560 was trying to talk about blockchain and derivatives. 1229 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,080 And again, it would never be entertained. 1230 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,400 Like at least I'm saying both things are possible. 1231 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,400 Like I can see both things. I'm trying to lean into the one 1232 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,640 that I think is preferred for the most part. 1233 01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,880 No one would revise their model to entertain World Bank 1234 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:43,480 securities on toddlers, right? So that was a bummer because I 1235 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,080 can never have the conversation because there was no, but a lot 1236 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,320 of those people would just be like, well, Allison, it's just a 1237 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,440 tool. It's how you use it. 1238 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,840 And I would be like, no, no, no, you have to pay attention to 1239 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,760 this piece. But now I'm seeing their point. 1240 01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,880 There are tools and it is how you use them. 1241 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,920 And so I will admit that I was stubborn on that regard and 1242 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,160 obstinate. But yeah, so everything is a 1243 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,560 tool. So how do we resonate it to 1244 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,040 something that is is good, not in A and this is the piece. 1245 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,720 So I think love when Crombie had his heart, like I think you have 1246 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:21,840 to you have to be coherent. And that's where Julian, that's 1247 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,480 where I really appreciate Julian Mossbridge's work is in the 1248 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,440 unconditional love and getting to that place of coherence. 1249 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,600 Because I think you have the higher dimensional conversations 1250 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,000 and to be to be able to access some of those like causal loops 1251 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,520 where you know, like Warrego's work, I think is really 1252 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,960 important that you actually have to hold yourself together and be 1253 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,640 intact and come from a place of not reactivity, right? 1254 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,400 Like everything is OK. Isn't that her idea about 1255 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,800 unconditional love? Love can be there and nothing 1256 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,160 has to change, right? It's unconditional, including 1257 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,000 the device, right? Like that was one of those 1258 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:58,560 things. Like, I even wanted to be mad at 1259 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,280 Julian Venkertzel initially because I was very shocked about 1260 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,360 Sophia the robot and the meditations like that. 1261 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,680 That honked me off because it felt so different than what I 1262 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,360 felt was appropriate. But now I can hold it 1263 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,800 differently. I can hold it differently. 1264 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,040 Like, yeah, everything is OK and nothing has to change, 1265 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,680 including. And you can love yourself, other 1266 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,520 people, and the device upon which you are taking the survey. 1267 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,080 Yeah, yeah. And you don't have to feel dirty 1268 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,400 or that you're divorced from your humanity by engaging in 1269 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,760 these digital technologies, which isn't you couldn't. 1270 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,960 Tell a different story. So exactly. 1271 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,840 You have to deny your past view, but you could reimagine it in a 1272 01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,880 way that makes it OK. Yeah. 1273 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,440 And the, the, the, the secret there is that by imagining it 1274 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,240 that way, you help create that reality. 1275 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,600 It's not like people want to say, well, I'm deluding myself 1276 01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,120 if I think about it this way. No, you're actually manifesting 1277 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,640 a whole different set of circumstances by engaging that 1278 01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,280 positive part. In the resonance and the ability 1279 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,880 to work with the gestalt patterns at a higher level, 1280 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,840 which I didn't have before I came to hospitals. 1281 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,760 So this was part of my next phase of my independent study 1282 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,720 was to be with people Now they don't know blockchain stuff. 1283 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,560 I mean, I, I had a salon. There's a the metaphysical 1284 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,800 welcome wagon of Hot Springs is the star portal star Riveriti. 1285 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,000 She was a former nuclear medicine technician at the Santa 1286 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,360 Barbara Cancer Institute who like stepped away from all of 1287 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,360 that and when and created flower essences, right? 1288 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,480 And so it's like energy medicine, just a different 1289 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,520 titration, right? So it's this place. 1290 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,680 And so we, I had three sessions and I talked about esoteric 1291 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:35,360 economics and not theory and chord magic and flower secret 1292 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,640 geometry. And we made a Temenos, a sacred 1293 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,520 Grove. And we made arts and crafts 1294 01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,200 because people think it was too hard to be in a class like and 1295 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,200 listen to me because it was too many and hard things. 1296 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,400 But he could just flow over. And we created an energetic 1297 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:53,240 space with our art that we took into the woods connected to 1298 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,240 Glazipo Creek, which is Paul Saltlick. 1299 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,520 So salt alchemy. And we, we did, you know, we put 1300 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,840 our energy into the space. And so they're not going to do a 1301 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,640 turn around lecture about Bernard Leotere and his work in 1302 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,200 tokenization of, you know, interdimensional, you know, 1303 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,440 patterns. But we built something there and 1304 01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,319 we held a frequency. And so I, I'm not faking it. 1305 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:20,560 I do believe that now. I believe that it's way more to 1306 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,439 not to deny our embodiment, but the way that our bodies actually 1307 01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,720 resonate with our environments as these patterns, as symphonies 1308 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,840 into these higher spheres. And you know, but that's just my 1309 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,120 journey. Like I think you can't you. 1310 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,279 I wouldn't ask someone just to pick that up and believe it if 1311 01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:42,880 it didn't feel real to them. Does that. 1312 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:44,279 Make sense? Yeah, but it does the. 1313 01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,479 Way it feels real to you in your story. 1314 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,560 Yeah, From my perspective, having done the last three years 1315 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,520 of research on the show and all the different interviews, I 1316 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,920 mean, it's like you talk about phenomenological sort of 1317 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,319 approach to all this. I interviewed these folks who've 1318 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:01,160 had experiences or have researched different kinds of 1319 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:06,560 phenomena and they all seem to be telling pieces of a singular 1320 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,640 story, but no one's unified it all yet. 1321 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,680 And it seems like the the road that you're on at least is 1322 01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:15,720 making positive, you know, movement in that direction where 1323 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,040 you can under all of the details, you can see how it 1324 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:24,040 might be a part of a holistic, you know, project rather than it 1325 01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,960 being individual. You know, there there's aliens 1326 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,920 and then there's ghosts and then there's this and then there's 1327 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,640 that. It's like, no, it's all sort of 1328 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,720 the same thing, but it's operating from a set of rules 1329 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,040 extra dimensionally. So we don't see necessarily what 1330 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,080 the root of it is. Well, and that's like Crombie, 1331 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:39,399 right? We look like this because you 1332 01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,359 expect to, if you're like, and and I fully believe that like 1333 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,600 the system of which we are a fractal, you know, like an 1334 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,080 instance of it is not a clockwork. 1335 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,760 I don't believe it. I don't in my view, it's it's 1336 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,280 something that is a space of loving coherence. 1337 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,960 Like I have to hold on to that at the core that if it wasn't 1338 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,640 coherent and there wasn't a benevolent aspect to it, it 1339 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,920 would all fly apart. Like it's too complicated for it 1340 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,000 to like be wonky. And so somewhere in there is is 1341 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,320 something of which we are a part that that has our interests at 1342 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:17,280 heart, these lessons that we're, you know, if you're occupying in 1343 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:21,440 a space of divine source eternity, that everything is 1344 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,440 just hunky Dory utopia. Like it would get boring after a 1345 01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:27,840 while, right? Like you would want to 1346 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,000 experience what is it like to be a all the different things, 1347 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,040 right? And so there's all like, we're 1348 01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,400 rather than the version of you you're being punished by being 1349 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,240 sent to Earth to have to like be all sucky in this 3D body and go 1350 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,000 through all these painful experiences. 1351 01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,560 Like maybe one day you'll be done with all of that. 1352 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,200 I feel like it's sort of like there's groups of us who are 1353 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,360 like the elite forced to go on a special mission to go do this 1354 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,760 part to learn lessons and integrate it and then bring it 1355 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,720 back into the whole to share. Like people who can do that, 1356 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,520 who, who can be embodied and slogged through the 3D 1357 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,880 space-time thing and gets meaning out of it that that's 1358 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:13,240 not a punishment, but actually it's an opportunity that is 1359 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,560 something that is important of all the glitter. 1360 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,200 But yeah, like we're doing the 3D part. 1361 01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,880 Maybe some other people get to do the higher level stuff that's 1362 01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,840 not so mucky, but certain people to do the monkey part. 1363 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,280 So we're we're doing that and there we should be proud of 1364 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,840 being able to do that, you know? Yeah, absolutely. 1365 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:37,360 So let's get into what E 8 is. I mean sort of a definition that 1366 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,000 we can kind of grok a little bit. 1367 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,160 All right, well, so I, I, I caveat this, remember saying 1368 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,600 like I started off being the person who liked history and 1369 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,160 English and cried on the carpet like doing math. 1370 01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:54,640 So I I don't want to misspeak on I I'm not coming at this. 1371 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,000 It's from something like you look at these sub stacks and all 1372 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,280 the things with high level people operating on, you know, 1373 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,840 their perspectives of the theory of everything in physics. 1374 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:09,040 And you know, I can't defend all of these things. 1375 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,000 So for me, I'm looking for pieces that resonate with a 1376 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,040 story. I have I admit that I'm self 1377 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:18,520 selecting that way because of my background in the landscape and 1378 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,720 this experience that I will see it right. 1379 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,400 You're you're you look at symbols on a landscape. 1380 01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,680 OK, well, that actually could be math and topology. 1381 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,000 And so I spent a lot of time looking at a a channel. 1382 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,600 It's a professor emeritus at Penn State. 1383 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,000 His name is Donald Kunz KUNZE, and his background was in 1384 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:43,920 architecture, Lacanian psychoanalysis, typology, Taurus 1385 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,840 fields and media theory. Like a very eclectic. 1386 01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,240 I mean, if I'm kind of all over the place, like I, I like 1387 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:57,080 watching Donald Kuntz's videos helps me understand what people 1388 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,360 must feel like to try to listen to me not. 1389 01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:01,000 But I know it's important, right? 1390 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,520 Like, because I'm like, you're on to something, right? 1391 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,880 And he talks about like Vico and the slicing Taurus fields and 1392 01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,640 Alfred Hitchcock and film theory and architecture and John D 1393 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,160 Towers. I mean, it's amazing. 1394 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,720 And so there was something important about projective 1395 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,960 geometry and I always knew like projective geometry was 1396 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,920 important. I found the book Olive Witcher 1397 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,640 and George Adam Kaufman who did work translating a lot of 1398 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,520 Steiner's works in England, they were working at projective 1399 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,320 geometry. Henrique Corban, who was a 1400 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,440 mentor or who's Peter Kingsley was inherited a lot of Henrique 1401 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,920 Corban's works about Persian Sufism and again, sacred 1402 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,400 geometry and Islamic architecture and Keith 1403 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,560 Critchlow. And so I always knew like the 1404 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,440 geometry part is important. The the frequency part. 1405 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:52,600 So I'm looking at his stuff. And then my friend Laura, she's 1406 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,480 like, we're we're the long term fan team of Donald Koontz, even 1407 01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:57,920 though we don't quite understand all of it. 1408 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,360 She finds a, a, a channel Richard Southwell and he is 1409 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,240 providing like an introductory course to projective geometry. 1410 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,880 And I'm like, awesome, so thanks, Richard. 1411 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,760 And so we're, you know, going through and I'm looking at 1412 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,160 projective geometry and I have not yet encountered Andres 1413 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,600 Emilson's work with the Qualia Research Institute about like 1414 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,840 mirror laser tag and computational psychology and 1415 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,920 stuff like that. But like that starts to fit in 1416 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,320 right with projections. And so I did a little bit of 1417 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,480 that and then I saw, oh, category theory. 1418 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,840 And I thought, well, what's, what's category theory? 1419 01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,000 And then I realized, so category theory is that Richard also did 1420 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,640 whole series on that. And it's a higher level 1421 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,120 abstraction of mathematical objects that you kind of put in 1422 01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,640 cells like objects like and you don't look at the particulars of 1423 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,040 what's in the cell. You just look at as a unit. 1424 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,880 And then you have like arrows that one goes to the next to the 1425 01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,960 next. And what, what the Co core of 1426 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:02,960 category theory is, is that it is a, a streamlined relationship 1427 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:09,480 map that goes flow and process. And I was like, oh, wow. 1428 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,200 And then I feel like my relationship maps were somehow 1429 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:18,320 phenomenological versions of the mathematical version of category 1430 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,400 theory. And so in that it was also could 1431 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,160 be computational, like the arrows would be transformations 1432 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:28,320 like addition, multiplication, different processes, which could 1433 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,360 be like blockchain smart contracts, right? 1434 01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,160 You take this and then there's an and, or if then thing and 1435 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,400 then this thing happens, right? There's these activations and so 1436 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,280 like I saw that as relating to the hyper graphs, right? 1437 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,480 Like these different units where there it be a digital learning 1438 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:49,720 badge or a soul bound token that you were at a conference that we 1439 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,720 are represented as these directed acyclic graphs. 1440 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,760 Michael Zargom talks about that these social graphs, like we all 1441 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,720 have these graphs which are kind of our twins, but they might not 1442 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,600 be evil twins. Maybe they could be a higher 1443 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:05,640 self twin and you mentioned, and so I started looking at the 1444 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,480 category theory and then, you know, and I don't use separate 1445 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,480 AI things, but like I'll ask things to Google at this point, 1446 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,480 Like I just type in the search bar like, you know, could 1447 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,880 category theory be related to digital twinning? 1448 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:19,320 And they're like kind of lay it out. 1449 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,480 It's like it is this higher level abstraction. 1450 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,720 And so then I started spending some time. 1451 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,840 There was this whole chapter in the confusion, Stevenson's the 1452 01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,760 confusion on libnets and libraries, and he's talking 1453 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,240 about organizing. And this is real. 1454 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,800 Like he really organized these libraries with indexes. 1455 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,720 How do you organize information? And would you put all of 1456 01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,680 Aristotle's book in one place or do you divide it by topic? 1457 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,440 And how do you find? When they were doing that, they 1458 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:47,160 were trying to get the theory of all knowledge or whatever they 1459 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,160 were working on. Yeah, right. 1460 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:49,720 Yeah, yeah. And so. 1461 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,440 Trying to find the knowledge and then and these Bucharest and 1462 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:56,280 these different bookcases and you could assign them different 1463 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,280 mathematical things with prime numbers to be able to find the 1464 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,840 thing you needed. And he talked about books and 1465 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,240 being all bound the, the, the collector of the library would 1466 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,960 rebind the books into his own personal binding. 1467 01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,600 And the older books were darker than the newer books because 1468 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,680 they would age. And I'm like, oh, those books 1469 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,960 could be people. They could be human capital as 1470 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,920 represented as an instance of a hypergraph, right? 1471 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,880 And so how would you put together a team of knowledge to 1472 01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:29,640 access a frequency part of this hyperdimensional crystal, right? 1473 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,720 Like how could you get to that place if it was a navigational 1474 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,840 constellation? How would you constellate there? 1475 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,240 You would put together a team of people who had different 1476 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,040 frequencies or different knowledge bases to access it, 1477 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,040 but like a human library. And in that way, the human 1478 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,240 capital bets are people holding a portfolio of human capital 1479 01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,760 would be more like a library, right? 1480 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,760 Or, and you can almost picture like, as opposed to it being a 1481 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,480 punishment, like you're a dusty books waiting to be picked, 1482 01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:55,720 right? Like me, me. 1483 01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,240 And you've got a graduate student. 1484 01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,920 And they, I keep saying like when I was still at Penn, they 1485 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:01,520 they still had open stacks libraries. 1486 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,680 It was one of the last like big research libraries that you 1487 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,240 could just walk into the stacks and pull stuff. 1488 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,560 And it was often the thing like 5 books down from the thing you 1489 01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,960 were looking for, which is the thing you really wanted, right? 1490 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,400 And and so discovery this discovery, but then you take a 1491 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,080 pile to a Carol, right? And like spend a semester with 1492 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,720 that pile of books. And so, but if you imagine that 1493 01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,800 pile of books is like pattern frequencies in relation to a 1494 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,360 hyper dimensional system of manifestation or ingression, 1495 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,200 like that's kind of how it fits together for me. 1496 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,080 And so Liveness is kind of laying all this stuff out about 1497 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,520 the libraries, but I'm hearing it as like, and they're like, 1498 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,000 but each one needs a unique identifier, right? 1499 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,080 Because across space-time, you need to know like where you went 1500 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,600 and when you came back. And the thing about blockchain 1501 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,040 that people rarely talk about is that before whatever the 1502 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,400 Santoshi conversation that made everything about money, the 1503 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,160 first distributed Ledger system was done by Scott Stornetta and 1504 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,680 Stuart Haber at Bell Labs in Bellcore in Morristown, NJ. 1505 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,520 And it was a time stamping document. 1506 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,400 It was a time stamping document. Now they would say, oh, we're 1507 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,680 trying to eliminate the double spend, blah, blah, blah, blah, 1508 01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,960 blah, blah, blah. But it was like time stamping. 1509 01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,600 Now, Scott Stornetta is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of 1510 01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,440 Latter Day Saints. In 2022, I went to a conference 1511 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,200 on blockchain, all blockchain. It was a one day conference, but 1512 01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,920 from like 8:00 in the morning to five at night, that was all 1513 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,960 about the uses of blockchain. And Stornetta presented and he's 1514 01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,400 like, I'm so excited to be able to be here and present in the 1515 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:32,400 context of my faith and this technology. 1516 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,080 But he talked about witnessing and and I have this clip by Tony 1517 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:39,240 Smith who worked with Ben Gertzel in the 90s on this 1518 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,200 string theory and the 8 dimensional lattice and these 1519 01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,240 Julia spaces and linking it to Indra's net. 1520 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:49,000 And he's like, yeah, this blockchain is just a mirror of 1521 01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,600 what's pre-existing in nature. This fractal nature of 1522 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,360 information. When you get down to this level, 1523 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,240 every particle can see every other particle, which is 1524 01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,560 essentially what Scott Sternetta said at that conference, like 1525 01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,640 writing out the distributed Ledger on a napkin in a North 1526 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,360 Jersey Friendly's restaurant, you know? 1527 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,120 And so like all of this stuff and like, I have close friends 1528 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,800 who are part of the church or who have, well, they have 1529 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,040 complicated relationships to the church, but they have a lot of 1530 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,600 connections to Joseph Smith as having these visions, 1531 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,800 interdimensional visions and all this stuff. 1532 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:24,920 So like the overlap of University of Utah with creating 1533 01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,240 the ARPANET? The first digital objects in the 1534 01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:32,280 Internet, the collectivism of of the Mormon church, the NSA, the 1535 01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:37,400 data centers, there's just, there's just a lot going on 1536 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,840 anyway, I know that's a lot, but at the time stamping, that's 1537 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,360 very different. It's a very different use case 1538 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,120 than to say you need a digital identity because we're going to 1539 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,520 revisit your trauma around You can't go out on an airplane 1540 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,840 unless you have a certain token. Yeah, yeah. 1541 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,680 Way other things, there was way more things that could possibly 1542 01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,120 be going on. Yeah. 1543 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,240 And potentially it's a technology that could be of vast 1544 01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,160 benefit depending on how it's deployed, right. 1545 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,440 I mean, like people, so many people have an instinctive or I 1546 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,800 mean a sort of a reflex fear reaction to blockchain because 1547 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,360 it seems to be associated with tech moguls and vast sums of 1548 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,280 quick profit. So they want to immediately shut 1549 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,720 it down and classify it as something negative. 1550 01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,240 And that's not necessarily the case. 1551 01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:22,960 What you're saying is that it may be the sort of nascent a way 1552 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,800 that we learn how to manipulate higher dimensional reality. 1553 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,280 I mean is that? So yeah, that's where I'm at. 1554 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:34,160 And I would just say it took me like most of my time because I 1555 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,440 was very anti and I'm at like pro. 1556 01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:38,960 I'm just saying I'm holding another story, right? 1557 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:44,000 Because on the other side, there's no other option than 1558 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,680 just to be angry the rest of your life. 1559 01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,560 And I don't want to be that person, right? 1560 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,440 So I'm inventing another story where it could be, but I'm 1561 01:21:50,440 --> 01:21:53,480 inventing stuff with backup. Like, you know, I have a reason 1562 01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:55,520 to hold this story as a as a counter. 1563 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,480 But I would say just to give people credit because I've 1564 01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,720 reflected on it myself. And again, even with Julia 1565 01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,760 Mossbridge, it took me a while to to warm up to like that it 1566 01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:08,840 could be OK that the Sofia the robot could be OK, right doing 1567 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:14,280 meditation because we in the free energy principle to shift 1568 01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,720 your model takes is a cost. There's an accounting that comes 1569 01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:22,120 with it right. And so in in our and to maintain 1570 01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:26,080 homeostasis, the initial inclination is to kind of be 1571 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,840 conservative, right. And so when people are 1572 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,520 presenting new things in the world and right now we're being 1573 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,880 faced by, it's not just something new a few times a 1574 01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,400 year, it's like multiple times a day. 1575 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,920 There's some new thing that you have to like sort through and 1576 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,760 figure out how you feel about it, right? 1577 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,680 And so you get overrun. And then the, the initial 1578 01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,400 inclination is just to throw up a wall and say no, like I, I'm, 1579 01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,800 I'm OK. Like maybe if you were in a 1580 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,440 situation that your life was really bad and something might 1581 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,960 offer a possibility to make it better, you would be more open. 1582 01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,320 But if you're in a reasonably OK position and someone's throwing 1583 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,240 this thing out, generally logically, the first reaction 1584 01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:07,800 would be like, I don't think so. Not me. 1585 01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,880 Thanks. You know, and from a, just a 1586 01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:13,960 cost benefit standpoint. And so then you have to decide 1587 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,800 for me, knowing how this works, it's like, OK, can you re 1588 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,920 engage? Can you tiptoe in? 1589 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:24,760 Can you reimagine? Because I think like schools, 1590 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,680 the way they have been built, remove the imagination from 1591 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,480 kids. Like, and I think in some weird 1592 01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:35,120 way it's on purpose because now like they're developing like 1593 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,920 Montessori forest schools to send kids out in the forest. 1594 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:41,680 But then it involves like dressing them in smart uniforms 1595 01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,400 with sensors, which I was really angry about. 1596 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,840 But then I'm like, well, maybe it's so their Angel can keep 1597 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,720 track of them. Like, I don't know, like there's 1598 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:52,160 other ways to do it. And I have a whole lot of stuff 1599 01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,160 about early childhood. And maybe at some point we can 1600 01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:58,080 like spend a little more time on that because I know it's already 1601 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:02,800 been long today, but yeah, you need to be able to imagine a 1602 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,160 different story and and then find community in people who are 1603 01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,840 willing to imagine those. So there's this guy named David 1604 01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,320 Rugg. And this was early in my shift 1605 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,400 on blockchain and I was like, well, if this was before I found 1606 01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,400 out about E8 and all this stuff. So I was like, well, if there 1607 01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,880 was going to be a good use of blockchain this I could, I could 1608 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,200 align with this. So his, he's this young guy and 1609 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,960 he's very enamored of the game B folks. 1610 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,120 And like I have my, there's certainly characters, right? 1611 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,280 Like the gym rut crowd. They definitely all have their 1612 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,560 own character to them and they all each have the slice of like 1613 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,320 the story as they see it. But he's very captivated by the 1614 01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,800 game B But he he talked about Tyson Yunkaporta's work around 1615 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,080 Santok and campfires and oral tradition. 1616 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,720 And he said, well, what if you could like in this, this 1617 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,840 tradition of Aboriginal people that you are Embat, that stories 1618 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,920 are alive, be back to the Davis and the patterns and the 1619 01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,240 gestalt. You can be an ambassador of a 1620 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:03,240 story or a selection of stories. And so when you gather together, 1621 01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:07,200 you can and in telling stories orally, they they evolve. 1622 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,280 It's a process so that they they always have the same contours. 1623 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,480 But depending on who's around the campfire and how the story 1624 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:14,160 is told, it may have different nuances. 1625 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:19,040 And so I don't want to try to force my story that I like onto 1626 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,280 people who it's not their reality tunnel. 1627 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,280 And because if it doesn't vibe with you, it doesn't and there's 1628 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,880 nothing I can do to make it vibe with you. 1629 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:30,920 And I don't want to bore you, but if you had a beacon like, so 1630 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,080 he's talking about story coins and you could have a wallet and 1631 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,360 you could like like, I don't know, I called it like what 1632 01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,080 Tinder for a good intellectual conversations, like you'd be 1633 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,400 like, hey, I've got like these six stories. 1634 01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,040 Does anyone want to talk about complexity, auto poses, the 1635 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,200 biological computing lab and on a poetics, you know, like, and 1636 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,360 then you could be like, well, I really like on a poetics in the 1637 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,600 2nd order of cybernetics, like, hey, like, what do you got? 1638 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,280 And like you cross pollinate, right? 1639 01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,840 Because there's stuff you know, that they have, but you're not 1640 01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,920 trying to force yourself on someone who doesn't want to hear 1641 01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,280 the story because you have a different model. 1642 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,000 So I'm like, yeah, actually like, I don't know, like David 1643 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,880 Rugg, like get your, get your story blockchain beacon, like 1644 01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,960 your story beacon together. Because then we can build stuff 1645 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,200 with people who want to build the stuff we want to build. 1646 01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,920 And we don't have to bother with people who aren't in it. 1647 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,040 We don't have to make them wrong. 1648 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,600 It's just, hey, you're not that into that. 1649 01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:21,160 That's. Fine. 1650 01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,880 Yeah. Well, and it's interesting 1651 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,040 because it's like it takes, it changes the focus from 1652 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,720 discovering the truth of a situation to Co creating a new 1653 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:32,160 truth about the reality. You know what I mean? 1654 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:36,240 Like it's like because you are engaged in its creation by 1655 01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,320 getting involved with it and sort of engaging in that 1656 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,000 pattern, if I'm understanding what you're saying correctly. 1657 01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,120 So yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say that 1658 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,280 it's all a part of giving birth all the time, and reality 1659 01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,560 changes as we engage with it. Yeah. 1660 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:55,320 Quantum foam, right. But if if again, in my world 1661 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:58,360 model, coherence and unconditional love are part of 1662 01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:02,560 it, like having this higher dimensional conversation, then 1663 01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,640 like if you were going to go off and do some really evil thing, I 1664 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,000 think the resonance wouldn't be there to resonate like with 1665 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,040 those parts, right. And I'm not saying it all 1666 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,880 unilaterally good. Like you could ingress something 1667 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,800 that is like awesome in your story and someone else is like, 1668 01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,320 well, I I think that story stinks, you know, whatever, like 1669 01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,440 anything that would be like, what is it from Time bandits? 1670 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:27,360 Like the pot roast, like it's evil, it's pure evil. 1671 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,800 Like I don't think the pure evil would come in, but like there 1672 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,160 might be something that's like not to your taste in your story, 1673 01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,480 but it would match your story. So I think weirdly in some way 1674 01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:42,920 the polarization of everything right now is like all of these 1675 01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,040 infinite Hollands, right? Like you've got your stories 1676 01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,640 that you're holding your world models and, and in some way the 1677 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:55,160 crisp edge of your model depends on it being opposite somebody 1678 01:27:55,160 --> 01:28:00,040 else's model, right? So there's not if, if, if we 1679 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,440 were playing a Symphony, if there's like a higher source 1680 01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:07,440 that's like playing a nuanced Symphony of all the options, you 1681 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,080 need to know where the notes are when you want to hit like more 1682 01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:14,760 cowbell, like you need where the cowbell is and it needs to go 1683 01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:19,080 like Ding, like not a, you know, And so people like me are in the 1684 01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,680 Gray, like not like I'm dancing around, like I'm a little fairy, 1685 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,720 like skating around the edges of all of this stuff. 1686 01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:29,000 So I think that, like, not to say there's not a point to that 1687 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,000 because I think they're in a resilient system. 1688 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:35,120 Like these extra wild cards are useful to have around, but we're 1689 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,240 not going to play the reliable note. 1690 01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,800 And so in some way, the polarization, even as it's so 1691 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,880 painful to experience, there may be a logic to it, weirdly. 1692 01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,160 Like it would be nice that we could be ourselves without 1693 01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,840 having to not be someone else. But somehow the other ring seems 1694 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,480 to be baked into it for now. Maybe one day it won't be and we 1695 01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:59,360 can just be us and not have to not be them, you know, if that 1696 01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,280 makes sense. But this thing that's that's 1697 01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,400 working its way through is, is that so? 1698 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,880 I think if we're Co creating in this participatory universe, 1699 01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:15,800 John Wheeler, you know that it had it would a coherent vision 1700 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,440 may have a better chance of coming in. 1701 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,560 Yeah, which in that? Way like the stuff that I used 1702 01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,840 to be afraid about Ben Goertzel and all his stuff like maybe his 1703 01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,640 Sophie the robot really is about making it better. 1704 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,680 Like I have questions about Charles Hoskinson. 1705 01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,560 Like they have a close connection with Singularity Net 1706 01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,880 and Haskell. The language Cardano uses is 1707 01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,880 like very overlaps a lot with category theory. 1708 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,080 And they've put like all the people of Ethiopia on 1709 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,880 blockchain. And like, I wish somebody would 1710 01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:48,280 just like, let me in the club and be like, pat me on the hand 1711 01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,440 you're it's OK, Allison. We're not going to tell you all 1712 01:29:50,440 --> 01:29:52,320 of it, but it's like, you're on the right track. 1713 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:56,600 It's OK. You know, I'm not, I have not 1714 01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,720 gotten that feedback yet. But, you know, like there's this 1715 01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,600 thing with Hoskinson saying like, we're going to watch the 1716 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:05,040 babies and decide who's worthy of having a job in Ethiopia and 1717 01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,160 all this stuff. We're in alignment with the 1718 01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,040 government. But I think like it could be 1719 01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,440 that Charles was just acting a creepy character version of 1720 01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:12,880 himself so that the heart would come out. 1721 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:18,600 Yeah, well, we can hope, right? I mean, it's, it's there's a lot 1722 01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:23,080 of hope for sophistication and, and some shallow malignant 1723 01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,160 actors that, you know, maybe like. 1724 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,640 Maybe somebody's like, oh, like I can totally play Peter Thiel, 1725 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:30,960 you know, like I want. To be. 1726 01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,040 Like I'm like I told a friend recently, I'm like, use your 1727 01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,360 imagination. Can you tell a story where Peter 1728 01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,360 Thiel is actually the guardian Angel? 1729 01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,480 Yeah, or like with or like with Donald Trump. 1730 01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:44,440 I mean, I loathe the man. No, no offense to people who 1731 01:30:44,440 --> 01:30:47,840 support him, but like, there is an argument to be made that 1732 01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,160 arctically he is doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing, 1733 01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:55,240 which is, you know, whatever the system requires, the destruction 1734 01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,080 of AB or C or whatever, something is happening there 1735 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,680 that's very deep and archetypal, and it's being manifested 1736 01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,920 through Trump. Yeah, exactly right. 1737 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,600 Even the name. Yeah, exactly. 1738 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,720 And we're that that was one of the most, like, poignant moments 1739 01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,000 when I was like, there is something deep and symbolic 1740 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,440 happening because of everything that's happened around him. 1741 01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:21,880 Has always had a taste of like, you know, I don't know, deeper 1742 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,840 meaning. Like he's just, he's an 1743 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,920 embodiment of all of the things that I've always loathed about 1744 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:30,640 capitalism. And yeah, anyway, it's just 1745 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:31,880 there's something deeper. He helps. 1746 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,000 You beat you because you're not. Exactly, exactly right. 1747 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,120 Yeah. So my borders are hardened 1748 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:41,120 because of what are my my edges. Well, and The thing is, Trump 1749 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,360 came out of Wharton, which is University of Pennsylvania, 1750 01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,640 right? And then Musk came out of the 1751 01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,480 Penn engineering school. So me being kicked out of my old 1752 01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:50,680 life in Philadelphia, like there, there are these deep 1753 01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,640 archetypal patterns. But Musk, if you like, Andres 1754 01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,480 Emilson's, his work, which I find super fascinating. 1755 01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:01,520 Again, like I'm not like I have some questions about impact 1756 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,200 finance and psychedelics and interdimensional like team 1757 01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,400 building and stuff like that. But his ideas around like qualia 1758 01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,520 and laser tag and things he talks about fragrance, right? 1759 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,080 And fragrance seems to go back to like Krishna being the 1760 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,400 fragrant 1 and Kingsley when he was visited by Parmenides. 1761 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,440 Like he's got the fragrance and there's a lot of things about 1762 01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:23,760 olfaction and for in fact, they're like I have a clip from 1763 01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,520 Emelson where he's talking about Musk as being a conjoiner of 1764 01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,120 otherwise dissonant smells right. 1765 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,040 In the Mormon church. They're deeply involved in the 1766 01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,040 aromatherapy in both doTerra and Young Living. 1767 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,160 I guess like the main multi level marketing like 1768 01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:43,760 aromatherapy spaces. So like getting into the E 8 via 1769 01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,520 olfaction. It's, it's interesting to think 1770 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:49,960 about just, yeah, how these things all present. 1771 01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:51,880 Yeah, now they all tie together. All. 1772 01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:53,480 Over. I mean, it could. 1773 01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,160 In my story, it could. Exactly. 1774 01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:56,800 I mean, there's the possibilities are there, and 1775 01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,240 that's what makes it so even when I first got into these 1776 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,480 subjects, it was like suddenly being allowed to wonder and to 1777 01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:07,000 kind of make connections that make a subliminal sense, but 1778 01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:11,800 they're not a material sense. It's deeply satisfying. 1779 01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,840 And we haven't allowed ourselves to do that for generations. 1780 01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:19,280 So and I will just say. Like on the E 8, so I'm not an 1781 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:24,040 expert, but there is Quantum Gravity Research Institute has 1782 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,920 been doing research in that area for like a decade or so. 1783 01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:30,600 They're based in California, LA. There's a lot in LA, right? 1784 01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:35,760 Like there's the versus AI stuff and there's Disney and 1785 01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,400 architect. Like there's just a lot the 1786 01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:41,400 theosophy like that whole area, like LA, Santa Barbara, Ohio, 1787 01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:43,440 Montecito, like there's a lot, a lot going on there. 1788 01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:45,680 And so, yeah. Crystal murders from UI, right? 1789 01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,440 Yeah. Is that like the E 8 is a a 1790 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,800 crystal lattice And like, forgive me if I get some of this 1791 01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,840 stuff wrong because I'm not the math physics person, but and 1792 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,120 it's like the most beautiful object in math, like the 1793 01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,360 symmetries and everything. And it's like you could model 1794 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,800 every kind of particle. And what I love about it is when 1795 01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,240 I was looking initially into Hugh Everett the third's work on 1796 01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,440 the multiverse, and they're like, well, it's kind of 1797 01:34:08,440 --> 01:34:10,880 impossible because all those trees, like it's very unwieldy. 1798 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:12,360 And like, how would it even happen? 1799 01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,480 And I thought, well, what if you imagine like blockchain, like it 1800 01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:18,400 not going infinitely, but just being like every option being a 1801 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:21,240 pulse of yes or no, right? And you can just like pulse in 1802 01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:23,280 any instance, all the different combinations. 1803 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,080 And so you can compact it down. It wouldn't just keep branching. 1804 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,280 It would just be like yes or no in different versions. 1805 01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:32,960 And I feel like there's aspects of the E8, they conceptualize 1806 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,320 this crystal, it's a quasi crystal. 1807 01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:40,560 So even though it seems like a, a thing that it hasn't a dynamic 1808 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,360 openness to it, like a fractal open quality and made-up of 1809 01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:47,640 infinite like these tetrahedras, I guess it's like 248 1810 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,720 dimensions. And so every tetrahedra has a 1811 01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,800 limited degrees of freedom, but they have some freedom. 1812 01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,000 And then they're all like clicking in different 1813 01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,320 combinations, which to me, I'm like that again, all I can do is 1814 01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,320 like my embodied feeling, but I'm like, that kind of feels 1815 01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:02,880 what I was talking about with the blockchain, right? 1816 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,960 Like you could on anything have different combinations and 1817 01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,480 create different patterns. And those could be the Gestalts. 1818 01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:14,400 And, and so they, they discussed the projection from the E8 into 1819 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,400 a four dimensional, which I think is this called a 600 cell. 1820 01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:19,840 And then from that 4 dimensional, it goes down into 1821 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,760 three 3D and there's like a golden ratio that's connected. 1822 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,320 So their theory involves that reality is based of information, 1823 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,560 which I share that ideas that what it's an information 1824 01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:35,160 theoretic lens, that consciousness is central, that 1825 01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:41,240 it's the E8 and the golden mean. And there's causal loops, which 1826 01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,280 again, I, I, I feel that's interesting around Eric Wargo's 1827 01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:49,640 work with precognition and, and stuff and the other pixelation. 1828 01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,000 And it's a projection. So if you imagine being 1829 01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,520 projected in from higher levels, it's interesting. 1830 01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,520 In one of the Dodo books, Stevenson's books, he 1831 01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:02,640 specifically mentions this special effects light in 1832 01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:07,920 Shakespeare's globe that is like an early Fresnel lens, like this 1833 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:10,240 refraction. And like, that's a like when 1834 01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:13,080 that goes missing, the timeline, they know that the timeline has 1835 01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,840 gone off. And so you might consider it 1836 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,000 being part of the time, like the narrative arc. 1837 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,120 But I think there's something important about optics and the 1838 01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:23,200 lensing of all this. And category theory has lenses 1839 01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,760 as well. And so I, you know, to me this 1840 01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,680 feels right. And so if you're trying to 1841 01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:32,440 navigate a combination of patterns, there's an aspect 1842 01:36:32,440 --> 01:36:34,680 someone, his name is Sean Diamond, I think, and he's an 1843 01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,320 independent researcher, but he's working with AI systems and 1844 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,800 cymatics like, and this guy Gabriel Keleman, who I think is 1845 01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:47,400 a Romanian art history and professor and artist, but 1846 01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:51,120 looking at cymatics in 3D. So like bubbles instead of like 1847 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,400 the powder on the plate, like bubble forms and that like the 1848 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,400 ether. Like what if the projection is a 1849 01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,120 frequency as opposed to just like a light, an optical, that 1850 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:04,680 it's a a form like original physics, like a connection of 1851 01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:06,920 educational physics. And Emily Moyer talks a lot 1852 01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:11,160 about like sacred geometry, frequency embodiment, you know, 1853 01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:13,960 and that sort of thing. And so that feels right. 1854 01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:16,760 And so if you imagine that getting access into these higher 1855 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,080 dimension pattern combinations would be through frequency, 1856 01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:24,000 having understanding your biometrics, which then the whole 1857 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:31,720 Wellness push the pivot from a one off frame of like 1858 01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,280 one-size-fits-all to Wellness, right, because Wellness 1859 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,400 monitoring means real time quantified self all the time. 1860 01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,080 So, you know, Esther Dyson had her ways to Wellness program 1861 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,800 where she wants everybody to wear a continuous blood glucose 1862 01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,320 monitor, even if like you have no pre diabetes. 1863 01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,840 Like she's like the skinny mini. She's like, look, I wear 1. 1864 01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,920 You know, I'm like, why does everyone need to wear that? 1865 01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,320 Like it's but it's a signal, right, of like your frequency. 1866 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,240 I think like the smart watches, the wear, it's a different kind 1867 01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,800 of wearable like you're is attuned to your frequency, like 1868 01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,360 your energy field. And if you look up the Emerald 1869 01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:09,200 Gate Foundation that just came online like two or three years 1870 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:14,120 ago, Silicon Valley money based in Wyoming where blockchain is. 1871 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,840 Jason Yanatopoulos, I think is the CEO. 1872 01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:21,400 He came out of global R&D for SAP technology. 1873 01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:27,240 It's with Stanford Tufts, you know, with Michael Levin, SRA 1874 01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:32,120 Maharishi International, like like all of these big people are 1875 01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,520 connected to Emerald gate and it's all about subtle energy and 1876 01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:39,240 social transformation, right? So it's just right there gate 1877 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,600 and what they're working in subtle energy is the thing. 1878 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,360 So how do you how do you combine subtle energies? 1879 01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:49,120 Because Kevin Kelly of you know, wired and long now, he talks 1880 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,280 about the future of intelligence as a compound. 1881 01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,920 So how do you create a compound? How, what is the recipe if you 1882 01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:59,520 want to ingress a pattern? And that aggression, I think 1883 01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:02,720 comes from, for me, from Whitehead, Albert N Whitehead 1884 01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,880 and his idea of congressence, that it's a process. 1885 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,440 It's this process philosophy. You know, he, he and Bertrand 1886 01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:10,760 Russell tried to write the Principia Mathematica, the 1887 01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:13,400 second one, like everything can be understood in math. 1888 01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,560 And then they're like, oh, actually you can't. 1889 01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,440 And then so he's like, OK, we'll do process, right? 1890 01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,120 We'll do process. And so the process is, you know, 1891 01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,440 you've got this past, you're integrated, you're in the now, 1892 01:39:24,440 --> 01:39:28,040 you have eternal objects, they fall away to match your 1893 01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,960 teleology, have a short list of eternal objects that can be 1894 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,600 ingressed and and then you do the next actual occasion. 1895 01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:37,640 And so I think we're doing actual occasions collectively. 1896 01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,560 I think that's what digital public goods are. 1897 01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:42,680 So what are we ingressing? And if we're in a bad trauma 1898 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,400 loop, we're ingressing crappy stuff. 1899 01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,760 And I feel badly because I probably ingress crappy stuff 1900 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,120 for the people that I loved around me for a lot of years 1901 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,320 because no one said like, hey Allison, there's another way to 1902 01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,080 do it. Well, we, I mean, I was. 1903 01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,200 Trying to be a jerk. I just thought I was being a 1904 01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:00,960 good person. Being a good person means being 1905 01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,640 angry about these injustices. Exactly right. 1906 01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,920 And letting go of that anger and extending love is actually the 1907 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,720 answer. But we're not willing to do that 1908 01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,800 because we're also so polarized. That makes me think of the of 1909 01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,840 Peter Thiel with the Antichrist talk that he's like obsessed 1910 01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,640 with these days. It's like what is he trying to 1911 01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:23,840 ingress and why? Anyway, it's like if one goes 1912 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,800 one way, the other one goes the other way, right? 1913 01:40:26,200 --> 01:40:31,840 And so, yeah, super fascinating. Do we have time to say a little 1914 01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:33,400 thing about Vista or no? Or should we? 1915 01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:34,640 Absolutely we do. Yeah. 1916 01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,200 Yeah, please. Well, so part of this live 1917 01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,960 action role play musical is like, you never know whether 1918 01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,600 it's just you've gone a step too far right, like like, or maybe 1919 01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:46,720 you're beyond that Allison, maybe you don't have to do that 1920 01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,400 anymore. And so anyway, we have like 1921 01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,680 twice a month meditations at at the star portal. 1922 01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:55,640 And it's love like loving. It's it's just a nice community. 1923 01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,680 People just come together, share a little bit of what's going on 1924 01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:59,040 with them. And then we just send good 1925 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,680 energy out. And in one of them, it was about 1926 01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:06,000 a year ago, it turned out that there was a group of women who 1927 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,880 had arrived. Now, Hot Springs is a town of 1928 01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,360 like 50,000 people where Little Rock is. 1929 01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,960 It is less than an hour away. That's the largest city. 1930 01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,240 We're a pretty poor state. Like there's not a lot going on 1931 01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,200 in Arkansas. Like we're no Tucson, you know, 1932 01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,080 we're no Denver or something like this. 1933 01:41:21,480 --> 01:41:23,200 But this group of women had come in. 1934 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:26,200 They visited a few years before from New York, eastern Long 1935 01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:29,560 Island, Montauk kind of area and California. 1936 01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,640 And they were going to restore an A colonial Revival house on 1937 01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,760 like one of the two kind of fancy streets in town. 1938 01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:41,920 And it was called Vista House. And Vista is the goddess of the 1939 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,320 hearth. And she is both the oldest and 1940 01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,840 youngest Olympic goddess because, you know, Kronos time 1941 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,920 was eating all the children. And so she was first born. 1942 01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,600 And so she was first swallowed because she was the deepest 1943 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:54,920 down. She was the last out. 1944 01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:55,520 So she. Was. 1945 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,280 And she keeps the heart of Zeus and Hera. 1946 01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,320 So the heart you picture like the cauldron and her consort is 1947 01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:05,360 Helios, the central sun. And if you imagine sort of like 1948 01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:11,480 the light based system. And so these folks, I, I was 1949 01:42:11,480 --> 01:42:13,640 curious like, who are these vested people? 1950 01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:17,360 Like this is really interesting because I live 1/4 mile off of 1951 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,480 Albert Pike road. Albert Pike spent most of his 1952 01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,880 life, he was from Massachusetts, but in Arkansas and a little bit 1953 01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:25,120 in Louisiana. He was a lawyer. 1954 01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:26,800 He worked for the tribes actually. 1955 01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,920 And what no one talks about besides his Free Masonic 1956 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:32,960 writings was at the end of his life he wrote a 600 page book on 1957 01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:36,920 the Rig Veda, right? So he probably understood a 1958 01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,920 little bit about how these interdimensional things work. 1959 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,440 And it makes me wonder about his time with the tribes in in 1960 01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:44,320 Arkansas and what became Oklahoma. 1961 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,400 Yeah. So Albert Pike is Mount Ida and 1962 01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,960 Mount Ida is a center of crystals and this whole we're on 1963 01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:53,960 the Ouachita range. And so we're we're part of the 1964 01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:57,640 this ancient sea came in silica and these veins and turned into 1965 01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,080 quartz crystals. And until they made synthetics, 1966 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:04,000 we were really important for oscillators, for crystal radios 1967 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,040 in World War Two, really important for all of that. 1968 01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:09,400 Mount Ida. I was like, is that in the 1969 01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:10,680 Bible? What is Mount Ida? 1970 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,560 It is actually where Zeus was raised. 1971 01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:18,280 When Raya got wise to Kronos, she fed him a rock and then they 1972 01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,680 took Zeus away to be raised on Mount Ida. 1973 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,160 So you've got like the Mount Ida and the time and quartz, of 1974 01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:26,840 course, being used for digital watches. 1975 01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,440 And that's the whole other time bandit thing with the evil 1976 01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:31,000 genius. And he's like, I would make 1977 01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,480 technology and I would make digital watches, right. 1978 01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,560 And so we're sitting here in Mount Idaland and so so we've 1979 01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:42,000 got Vista and they're you know, it turns out that they had 1980 01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:47,640 connections, a graphic designer on her page, her portfolio of 1981 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,400 work had all of these documents in a drop box that were 1982 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:54,480 essentially sort of nested projects under this Vista house 1983 01:43:54,480 --> 01:44:01,360 project that extended into a blockchain beauty reserve, into 1984 01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:07,220 a plasma economy on blockchain into hydro Dow, which pre 1985 01:44:07,220 --> 01:44:09,480 existed it, but that's a blockchain water system. 1986 01:44:09,480 --> 01:44:14,160 Again, we have this Big Lake into collective ritual and they 1987 01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,560 were connected. I I sort of say vested adjacent 1988 01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,880 like maybe not officially, but with team Kelly, Kevin Kelly's 1989 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:23,880 daughter and Kevin Kelly was working on like new economic 1990 01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:30,720 systems in addition to the long now and and connected with the 1991 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,960 the guy who with Avant mining who is Alice Walton's crystal 1992 01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,360 dealer. And so there are all of these 1993 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,760 overlapping things of like how would one work if you had a 1994 01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:43,560 mystery school, right if you were working with the natural 1995 01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:47,800 elemental aspects of a whole plan of Arkansas as the quartz 1996 01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:52,360 crystal womb. How we work with beauty and how 1997 01:44:52,360 --> 01:44:55,880 we work together. So you know I've one of them is 1998 01:44:55,880 --> 01:45:00,560 a the the three women who were invested are is a professor of 1999 01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:05,000 NYU in love like her thing and she runs a technology enabled 2000 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,960 meditation Dome in New York City. 2001 01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:11,640 One of them has clairvoyant ability stuff and then the third 2002 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:15,760 one was working helped found the Bio Mimicry Institute, which 2003 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,640 links to like sustainability, but carbon trading. 2004 01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,920 And again, many people the prevailing narrative is Agenda 2005 01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:27,120 21 in the top down control techno fascism. 2006 01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:32,760 But The thing is I feel very strongly that this group, I 2007 01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,440 don't think they are aware of it, but in the gestalt that they 2008 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:38,640 are carrying the mantle of the Linda Starne Association, which 2009 01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,720 was William Orman Thompson who had spent time at Findhorn and 2010 01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:43,880 come back. He had been a professor at MIT 2011 01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,720 was supported by Lawrence Rockefeller who was the woo woo 2012 01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,840 Rockefeller right set up out on eastern Long Island. 2013 01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,160 The Lindisfarne was the precursor to Burning Man in the 2014 01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,640 70s that had all of these fellows working on sacred 2015 01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:59,640 geometry, ultrasonics like both science and metaphysical works 2016 01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,840 into John the Divine over to Crestone where they were 2017 01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,240 connected with Maurice Strong, which again central to the UNSDG 2018 01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:08,320 program and Lawrence Rockefeller. 2019 01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:12,120 But they set up Meadow Creek as essentially this meta industrial 2020 01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:16,720 village, which would be a small arts and crafts artisanal, but 2021 01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,160 Internet connected. And this was in 81. 2022 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,840 They brought in David Orr from Penn, a newly minted PhD from 2023 01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,880 Penn Policy, I think, who he and his twin brother ran it for a 2024 01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:29,760 few years. It was under The Nature 2025 01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,480 Conservancy at Three Mile Long Valley. 2026 01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,640 He let then became a lead professor in sustainability at 2027 01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,280 Oberlin. But that Meadow Creek is still 2028 01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:42,720 sitting out there, right? And to me JG Bennett, who is a 2029 01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:47,080 student of Gurdachev who was had an NDE signals intelligence, 2030 01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,760 very mystical person, developed his own version of the Gurdachev 2031 01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:55,440 like embody workings and was working with Subud and things 2032 01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:58,000 built this place at Coombe Springs in the UK. 2033 01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,320 And at the end of his life, he says we need psychokinetic 2034 01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,760 communities. And he had this guy Pierre 2035 01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:07,160 Elliot build one in West Virginia called oh gosh, what is 2036 01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:10,240 the one in West Virginia? Coombe Springs with the UK. 2037 01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,600 I'll think of it, but it was. Psychokinetic. 2038 01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,840 What do they mean by by that? So I think essentially it is 2039 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,080 groups of people who are resonating in with higher 2040 01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,880 dimensions. OK, Yeah. 2041 01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:24,080 Yeah. And so if you imagine, like, I 2042 01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,960 kind of went head to head with Derek Bros a lot early on and 2043 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:30,200 John Bush about their freedom cells and blockchain. 2044 01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,560 Why did their freedom cells need to be on blockchain, right? 2045 01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,280 Like if you're just going off grid, are you doing global 2046 01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:36,960 trade? Like that really was the only 2047 01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:39,400 reason, like I could see at the time, like why you would do 2048 01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:44,520 blockchain and, but maybe it is an interdimensional pattern 2049 01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:47,000 signaling like a networking system, right. 2050 01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:50,680 And so the, the one in West Virginia was getting started 2051 01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:54,320 right as Jay Rockefeller became, was rising in his politics in, 2052 01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:57,400 in West Virginia. And then Meadow Creek, Winthrop 2053 01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,800 Rockefeller was governor and he died young in his 60s, but his 2054 01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,480 money went into Win Rock International, which is about an 2055 01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:07,000 hour from Meadow Creek, maybe an hour and 20 minutes. 2056 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,600 Win Rock International developed the first voluntary carbon 2057 01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:15,760 trading systems. And in it his ranch backs up to 2058 01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,080 the Petroglyph caves in Petty Jean State Park, which is Awpa 2059 01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:23,600 State Park. And Christiana Figueres, who was 2060 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:27,560 the daughter of the president of Puerto Costa Rica, she went to 2061 01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,200 Swarthmore outside of in outside of Philadelphia. 2062 01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,680 She trained in gestalt at in Cleveland. 2063 01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:35,280 She was the one who developed the carbon markets. 2064 01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:41,040 So and, and, and so Costa Rica is such a rich biodiverse place. 2065 01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:46,640 This, this idea that's coming up is this ecological reservoir 2066 01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:50,280 computing, using living systems for information processing 2067 01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:53,320 purposes. And that was that was started in 2068 01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:57,400 the 1950s with Gordon Pask and Stafford Beer, who were British 2069 01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,080 cyberneticists. They were dumping iron filings 2070 01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,640 in a pond to cycle nutrients to get the algae to process 2071 01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:08,520 information, right. And then Evelyn Hutchinson was 2072 01:49:08,520 --> 01:49:11,200 doing the same thing with radioactive isotopes in a 2073 01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:14,640 Connecticut pond. He taught at Yale and he then 2074 01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,160 taught, I can't remember, it was Howard or Eugene Odom. 2075 01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:19,000 I always forget. But those twin brothers 2076 01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:23,360 developed the first textbook on ecology, and that was all coming 2077 01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:24,840 out of the Atomic Energy Commission. 2078 01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:30,280 And it was both springs and like using radiation to track energy 2079 01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:33,400 through natural systems. And so I think that there is 2080 01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:35,480 something like we're going to see a shift with the AI 2081 01:49:35,480 --> 01:49:38,880 conversation to be like, look, it's using water, it's using 2082 01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:40,440 energy, it's using all these bad things. 2083 01:49:40,440 --> 01:49:44,560 And they'll be like, OK, well now, like I don't know if it's 2084 01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,280 in my lifetime, but there will be a shift into a psychokinetic 2085 01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:51,040 community like but organized as a haul on right. 2086 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:54,680 What are your interest groups? Are you an eco village or do you 2087 01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:57,560 prefer to like do video gaming and a stack and pack housing 2088 01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,320 situation? Like some people will pick 2089 01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,720 different things, right? They'll be in the Symphony and 2090 01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:04,480 everybody like and you've just got to hope. 2091 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:06,480 If you get sick and tired of the thing you're doing and you want 2092 01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:08,480 to do something different, there's an incentive for you to 2093 01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:10,160 go find the thing you actually want to do. 2094 01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:15,120 But in the realm like the UBII think that the Giving Pledge 2095 01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:18,200 from Buffett and Gates is a backstop to Ubi and it's 2096 01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:22,080 actually could be a global 2nd order cybernetic emergent 2097 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,880 systems that is interdimensional. 2098 01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,040 Wow. Which reminds me of sort of like 2099 01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:34,440 the Omega Point from Yeah. Christogenesis well in the thing 2100 01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:37,360 within the psycho like I mentioned the the Society for 2101 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,720 Psychical Research Research and Arthur Balfour. 2102 01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:43,320 So Vladimir Vernadsky was the pair working with like around 2103 01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:45,920 the same time Talar Desjardins was working on the Omega Point 2104 01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,720 in Christogenesis. And Vladimir Vernadsky was using 2105 01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,240 similar outlook to develop the idea of the biosphere. 2106 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,960 And he was a biochemist. He was working in the lab in 2107 01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,640 Paris of Pierre and Marie Curie, right? 2108 01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,540 So that's Pierre Curie and his brother discovered quote UN 2109 01:51:01,540 --> 01:51:03,640 quote, piezoelectricity in quartz crystal. 2110 01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:06,240 So we've got quartz, they're working in radiation. 2111 01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:09,480 But Pierre and Marie were also members of the Society for 2112 01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:13,080 Psychical Research. And so if you imagine that 2113 01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:17,880 Vernadsky was working early in his career in that environment 2114 01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,880 with people who are understanding interdimensional 2115 01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:24,040 information access, he goes back he's I mean, my understanding is 2116 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:28,240 like every mid sized town in in Ukraine and Russia, like have a 2117 01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,480 street named after him. Like he was highly regarded 2118 01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,360 scientist. Very little of his work was 2119 01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:34,840 translated and then only selectively in the West. 2120 01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,840 All of the psychokinetic like research that was happening 2121 01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:45,040 during the Cold War, like it has a different lens, it has a 2122 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:49,480 different possibility. Which is, so I mean, I'm going 2123 01:51:49,480 --> 01:51:51,680 to assert something here about what you're saying. 2124 01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:55,040 Like there are people who are connected with, you know, these 2125 01:51:55,320 --> 01:52:00,600 various occult things, whether it's Theosophy or Anthroposophy 2126 01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,040 or any of those different things. 2127 01:52:02,440 --> 01:52:05,600 And they are involved in these systems that are sort of pushing 2128 01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,560 in these directions. But it's not necessarily that 2129 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,240 they're doing so consciously. It's that maybe by being 2130 01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:16,800 involved in some of this kind of research or, you know, interest 2131 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:22,120 fields, they almost become an active tool of whatever the the 2132 01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:23,960 energetic system is trying to manifest. 2133 01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:28,440 Is that fair to say from what you're I mean, because or or or 2134 01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:30,600 all these people consciously trying to do this, I guess. 2135 01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:31,840 No, I don't think it's conscious. 2136 01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,000 I initially I started to do my research when I was very judgy. 2137 01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,840 I was like, Oh, I'm just and then and then I would spend a 2138 01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,480 lot of emotional and intellectual energy trying to 2139 01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:41,960 figure out like, are they controlled opposition? 2140 01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:43,200 Do they know? How much do they know? 2141 01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:44,840 Do they? And it was like a stupid. 2142 01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,120 I mean, in retrospect, I mean, I it's in some respects very 2143 01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,920 natural because we want to know where we are in position to 2144 01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,680 that, but it didn't didn't really make any. 2145 01:52:53,920 --> 01:53:00,400 My sense is again in my frame is that it's a self assembling 2146 01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:01,920 system. Exactly right. 2147 01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:04,400 But people can engage in it, yeah. 2148 01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:10,760 And so it's distributed widely enough that and if it is a 2149 01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:15,600 higher gestalt, right, like if we imagine that again, from an 2150 01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,080 astrological standpoint or an archetypal standpoint, like you 2151 01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:23,160 come in with certain you might say enabling constraints, right? 2152 01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:25,560 But to play a game, there need to be some rules to bump up 2153 01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:27,200 against, right? Like there needs, if you could 2154 01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,680 do anything then kind of you tend to sit around and. 2155 01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:31,600 Not do, yeah. Whatever. 2156 01:53:31,800 --> 01:53:34,840 So there's some constraints, but then you have degrees of freedom 2157 01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:36,400 within those constraints to figure out what. 2158 01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:38,680 So there's like a framework that you come in with. 2159 01:53:38,720 --> 01:53:41,880 And then there's a social environment that you occupy that 2160 01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:44,000 reinforces certain systems, right? 2161 01:53:44,440 --> 01:53:47,120 Whether it be your career trajectory or your educational 2162 01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,080 trajectory, your social networks, real or digital. 2163 01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:55,960 And so you can exist in a world model where you are getting 2164 01:53:55,960 --> 01:54:00,040 reinforcement for being the good person or being successful. 2165 01:54:01,480 --> 01:54:05,200 There's not much of an incentive to start looking for trouble. 2166 01:54:05,480 --> 01:54:08,000 Like if it's working for you like to look sideways. 2167 01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,800 And like, and the other thing that I realized because I'm 2168 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,840 operating, you know, I have a master's degree, but I'm 2169 01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:17,400 operating outside of academia. Once you live in a in a space of 2170 01:54:17,400 --> 01:54:21,480 experts, like only experts can talk about the expert things, 2171 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,880 then because if if you're an expert, you have a PhD blah, 2172 01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:28,960 blah, blah, and you're the expert in this narrow thing who 2173 01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,640 are if you go starting to poke around in somebody else's expert 2174 01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,240 thing, that actually dilutes your expert thing. 2175 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:36,880 Right, like expert doesn't mean as much anymore. 2176 01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:38,280 Right. So like, you don't want to be 2177 01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:40,920 like, well, who are you to talk about that guy stuff because 2178 01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,040 he's the expert, right? And then because you wouldn't 2179 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:44,120 want him talking about your stuff. 2180 01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:47,640 So everybody just does a slide. And so there's the natural 2181 01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,160 philosophers of everybody does a little bit of stuff and they sit 2182 01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:53,720 around the coffee shop or the ale joint and like spin some 2183 01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,320 ideas out. We don't do that so much anymore 2184 01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:58,880 like because we're in these a tractor basins and so. 2185 01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:03,560 You do. There's this, there's this like, 2186 01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,040 and then there's a subset of those of us who know their 2187 01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:09,160 subsets, you know, that's like there's the people who know that 2188 01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:11,920 there's reality tunnels and and then that's a tunnel. 2189 01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:17,000 So I don't think like in in that way, it loosens up that having 2190 01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:21,720 to make people bad again. I did for so long and I think it 2191 01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:24,640 really hurt the people around me that I cared about by having to 2192 01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:28,920 do to do that. But I was following a social 2193 01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:31,760 program again, as the NPR liberal or the progressive that 2194 01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:36,040 says to be a good person, you fulfill this role to be like a 2195 01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:39,160 nice white ally in the social justice protocol. 2196 01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:43,760 It means you do XYZ thing even when for a while it felt really 2197 01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,240 like it wasn't working. Like for me to be authentically 2198 01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,720 me and do what I felt authentically called to do, it 2199 01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:51,600 was actually compromised. It was going up. 2200 01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:54,440 It was bumping up against the role that I was being given. 2201 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,120 And so I, then I just had to kind of step out of all of it. 2202 01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:00,240 So I don't think that people are doing it on purpose. 2203 01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:04,080 Like, you know, I, I sent some stuff to, to, to Julia about 2204 01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:05,920 the, the, the Educare surveillance play tables and 2205 01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,200 stuff. And she was very sweet. 2206 01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:09,520 And she said, well, I'll send this to some people and see if 2207 01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,960 this is a thing, right? Like, I haven't heard, you know, 2208 01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:14,640 And then I've, unfortunately, I barraged her with a whole bunch 2209 01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:18,480 of like backup material, which is maybe not the best thing to 2210 01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,720 do. But even if the people who are 2211 01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:24,600 looking at the stuff don't act on it, it's not because they're 2212 01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:26,480 bad people. It's just maybe their model 2213 01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,040 can't hold it. Exactly. 2214 01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:30,920 Right. And to even engage with it 2215 01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:33,960 involves a level of sort of metaphysical risk. 2216 01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:37,560 I think it's like you got to open yourself up to a whole 2217 01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:39,720 different way of thinking about things, you know? 2218 01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:42,200 And people aren't necessarily always willing to do that. 2219 01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:46,400 And even for me, like I do boundary management now, right? 2220 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,480 Like, I can at least say I have a way that I'm being in the 2221 01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:53,120 world, which involves not being on, like, limiting my social 2222 01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:57,160 media footprint and not engaging with the daily trauma story, 2223 01:56:57,400 --> 01:56:59,440 right? And the old me would have said, 2224 01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:01,520 well, who do you think you are that you can ignore all the 2225 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:04,040 justices of the world? That's that's privilege, you 2226 01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:05,640 know, or no? And exactly. 2227 01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:08,680 And, and, and, and at that time that would have been correct. 2228 01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:13,800 And at this time, I'm like, I'm the gardener who's like finding 2229 01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:16,640 sacred geometry in plants and watching them butterfly. 2230 01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:19,360 So I can hold a frequency because I'm in this different 2231 01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,360 slice of the story now, but it doesn't mean that I have to look 2232 01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:26,400 down on the person I was or disregard the person I am. 2233 01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:30,120 I can actually, we can be all the things, you know, like we 2234 01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:33,280 don't actually have to do. So just know you're about like, 2235 01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:38,320 if what I can invite is the idea of a metacognitive awareness of 2236 01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,120 your process. Like that's what I love about 2237 01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:44,360 the process philosophy part, is that there isn't a beginning or 2238 01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:46,920 an end. You're just always in process. 2239 01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:49,760 Yeah. You don't arrive anywhere, Yeah. 2240 01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,520 So if you want to manage your boundary fine, like I've had 2241 01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,600 some people are like bad and I'm like, that's fine. 2242 01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,000 Boundary management. I see your, I see that you're 2243 01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,760 managing your boundary well, like respect, you know? 2244 01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,640 Yeah, and for people who are open minded, I think. 2245 01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:05,640 Story Wallet. Yeah. 2246 01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,440 But the, the fact that you maintain that kind of approach, 2247 01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:12,040 I think for people who are open minded, that's more of a draw 2248 01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:15,240 than anything because you're not trying to sell it, you know, and 2249 01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:17,720 that's so many people are trying to sell so much. 2250 01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:20,520 Because I don't know. But The thing is like, there may 2251 01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,640 be people who have stuff on their pin board that I would 2252 01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:27,360 love to know about, right? Like, I like, I can't tell you, 2253 01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:30,200 I spent like a month after I found Richard's channel on 2254 01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:34,320 category theory and just being like, and again, there's a 2255 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,200 beauty in the way different people's minds operate. 2256 01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:41,160 Like, and I, I, I really like, respect that again, about like 2257 01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:45,120 Julia's work and working with like people who have different 2258 01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:49,400 abilities and different, you know, aspects because wow. 2259 01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:55,720 It like a mind that can work on math and the language of math is 2260 01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:58,840 different from my mind that works in material symbols of 2261 01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:02,840 like plants or story, like certain kinds of, they're just 2262 01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:05,280 different kinds of stories, but they're really complementary. 2263 01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:08,760 So to be able to like be of an age or have enough life 2264 01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:11,960 experience to just like, really sit back and like appreciate 2265 01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:15,880 someone else's skill set in a space is really cool. 2266 01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:21,800 So like optimally I, I've been doing read alouds of this book, 2267 01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:25,880 Babel 17 from the 1960s, which is this great like space opera 2268 01:59:26,680 --> 01:59:28,680 and people are hating me because it's been like 2 months and I 2269 01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:32,320 haven't read the last chapter. It's on archive.org. 2270 01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:36,360 But essentially it's about like putting together A-Team for a 2271 01:59:36,360 --> 01:59:39,680 mission and how it's done and the very non traditional way 2272 01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:44,000 this woman puts it together. And and this is in the 1968 and 2273 01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:48,200 the the the heroine or the person I don't even know she 2274 01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:53,840 would be a heroine but is an spectrum Y Chinese poet woman. 2275 01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:56,600 You know. Female poet, right for 68. 2276 01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,280 That's pretty like that's pretty powerful. 2277 01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:02,280 Like that's the person that to run the mission, right to pick. 2278 02:00:03,320 --> 02:00:05,600 And so like we need to be able to like. 2279 02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:10,360 Be open to like the teaming opportunities are we don't need 2280 02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,240 to, I don't mean to prescribe to anyone like that's like, but 2281 02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:15,680 what you could live in a story where you could be open to 2282 02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:17,960 teaming like with unconventional teams. 2283 02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:22,560 Yeah, and that's a path to to reinvention, I think. 2284 02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:27,200 I think we're about out of time, but that was fantastic. 2285 02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,800 Yeah, we got way farther than I, We got a lot, but I would love 2286 02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,680 to have you back. So let's do that at some point 2287 02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:36,760 too, if you don't mind. Yeah. 2288 02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:40,040 I mean, the educare we play smart surveillance, play tables 2289 02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:43,000 from Hatch Education like that and scrying like my journey to 2290 02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:45,720 be like, wait a minute, they're spying on these kids to like, Oh 2291 02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:49,640 my gosh, child divination. That's something that we have to 2292 02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:53,560 talk more about. But no, I love this. 2293 02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:56,080 This systematizes so much of the things that I've been thinking 2294 02:00:56,080 --> 02:01:00,320 about and gives a rational handle on some some other 2295 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:02,480 aspect. It's just brilliantly done and 2296 02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,560 everybody. The thing that they like, right? 2297 02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:08,480 It's like you like paranormal ectoplasm. 2298 02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:10,000 Awesome. That's how it's going to be for 2299 02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:14,120 you and you really like flying objects or light orbs. 2300 02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:15,640 Great. That's what you get and 2301 02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:18,440 everybody you can get what you get and not have to make the 2302 02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:22,040 other person like like, oh wow, it's like, you know, Halloween 2303 02:01:22,040 --> 02:01:23,280 candy. It's like, I'll trade you with 2304 02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:25,680 this for that, like. Yeah, exactly right. 2305 02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:27,720 Your collection if you like to.