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Outpost Roasters coffee that's 12 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,880 definitely worth waking up for. We're live. 13 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,640 That's right. Continue. 14 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,560 No, it's, it was just really interesting because I, you know, 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,560 listen, I listen to that guy talk everyday. 16 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,600 I swear. I, I love the listening to him 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,880 talking. He he says the same thing over 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,800 and I mean, and, and I'm like, I wonder how many times I need to 19 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,120 hear it. Yeah, so. 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,520 But yesterday I was looking at some, some stats and I had 20 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,280 new customers last week, but my orders didn't go up. 22 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:33,000 And so like, I'm like, man, is it that they're only ordering 23 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 one time? They don't order again. 24 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,720 They do not like my food. Then I started having this like 25 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,840 self doubt and then I'm like, no, for eight years you have new 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,120 customers and people come and go. 27 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,520 It's not that they don't like your food, but but then I 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,840 thought to myself, but I'm doing something right for 20 new 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,800 people to order for sure that, you know, I've never ordered 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,280 before. And then and then Gary came back 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,080 on and he goes, keep doing what you're doing. 32 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,120 You know, like, did you know that it's starting next month, 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,560 He's going to, he's really going to post 400 times a day. 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:58,600 What? How? 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Well, he's got. A team of people. 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,840 Well, I, I don't know, but I mean, but that's, you know, 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,480 'cause that's what he keeps telling people to do over and 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,680 over. And then Coach Joe hears it and 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,600 tells us. But he said that, that he's got 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,720 10 platforms and each one of those platforms he's going to 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:21,080 post four times a day, but then he's got another handle. 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,120 He's going to do the same thing with different videos and he's 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,120 going to do, he's going to do 400 videos a day like he's been 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,240 preaching so. Wow. 45 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,920 Yeah. But I mean technically it's not 46 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,320 400, but when you do the multiplication it comes up to 47 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,360 that. I can't even fathom. 48 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,280 I mean, he's got enough content he can repurpose. 49 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Yeah, just, you know, maybe that's part of it. 50 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,240 Yeah, I and I, you know, I love what Brian did for me. 51 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,280 You know, he had all those videos that I could use and I 52 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,560 thought that was just excellent. And then what I needed, thank 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,000 you for sending me that transcript. 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,960 I took that. I took the whole transcript and 55 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:59,320 gave it to Claude and and chat both and was like here's my 56 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,240 life. Learn me, yeah. 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,040 And the funniest part though, is it it it invented stuff that 58 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,640 wasn't in the podcast. I had to go back and watch the 59 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:12,000 podcast again because it was like, well, this was in the 60 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,240 podcast. I was like, there's no way that 61 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,840 was in the podcast. And it wasn't. 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,680 And so I called it out and it said, sorry, sometimes we like 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,480 to invent things, yeah. I'm like weird so it so it 64 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,680 hallucinated it. Hallucinated on our podcast 65 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,640 about what I I said and you said, and it thought that you 66 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:32,440 and I were husband and wife and it started taking some of your 67 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 story about your, the old lady you live with and said it was my 68 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,440 story and, and, and I was like, you're going to need to read 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,160 that again and take your time. And it said, I'm sorry, I got 70 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,920 too fast and I took my time this time. 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,760 Weird. Yeah, so I had to slow AI down. 72 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,840 What were some of the stories that it made-up that 73 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,080 hallucinated? That I named Smash Mills based 74 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,240 on your story of the in the kitchen with your that Lady you 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:05,080 live with and her awful food. And so I created a a company so 76 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,200 that I never had nobody had to have awful food again. 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Yeah. Wow, that's interesting. 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,040 That I mean, it was, but I was like, I don't know how he came 79 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,560 up with that so fast. Like it was just I was like, 80 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,519 hey, I need this. Boom. 81 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,320 There it was. I was like, OK. 82 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,840 You know, it's funny is that you just referred to AI is a he. 83 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:24,560 Yeah. You did. 84 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Isn't that weird when we do that? 85 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,040 And, and I guess because it's a dude's voice when I talk to it. 86 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,960 Well, I mean, it's just kind of like animals and stuff too, 87 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,960 right? Like when you see an animal, do 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,720 you just assume, Do you always think it's like a male or a 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,800 female of an animal? Like a lot of times I'll just 90 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,560 instantly go to it's a girl, it's a girl dog or like it's 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:46,640 just really weird. I just. 92 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,920 OK, now maybe on the dogs, but not all other animals got 93 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 studied animals and I know what which ones are male, which ones 94 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,360 are female. But dogs, you're exactly right. 95 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Yeah, sometimes. I mean, even though you just 96 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,800 just kind of like one of those natural things, but it's just 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,040 funny because you just used to that with AI. 98 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Grew up with dogs that are female dogs my whole life and 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,960 now I have two dude dogs and I didn't. 100 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,880 I love my dogs but I'll never have another dude dog again. 101 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,240 Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely on the 102 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,840 the lady dog train. We don't currently have any dogs 103 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:20,080 though. Someday soon because we don't 104 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,560 it's we go back and forth. We had to put our dog down in 105 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,640 how many years ago was that like literally Cinco de Mayo? 106 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:37,520 No, it was 2020 and see Levi was it was 2022 we so this is crazy 107 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,520 though. I'm sorry, I'm laughing. 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 No, you're fine. Cinco de Mayo, the 5th of May. 109 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:48,720 Yeah, well, because it was May 5th at 5:00 PM when she was put 110 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,400 to sleep. No way. 111 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,360 Yeah. And January for March and May is 112 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,120 the 5th month, so it's 555 PM That's why it's like super 113 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,960 weird. Not that we were like ever giant 114 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Cinco de Mayo people, but I mean, I'll eat tacos any day. 115 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:01,840 I don't. I will. 116 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,880 All about celebrating Mexican Independence Day. 117 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,560 So that's why it's just like super, super weird because it's 118 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,120 like, Oh my gosh, 55 at 5:00 PM is when when we lost her. 119 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,120 But then like we go back and forth because we don't want the 120 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,400 boys to grow up without a dog because it's just like, is there 121 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,160 anything better when you're a kid than like having a dog? 122 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,480 It's pretty amazing. Yeah, especially if you get one 123 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 that attaches to you and learns who you are. 124 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,320 And it teaches responsibility if they, if they. 125 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,640 If they do well with the chickens are a good starter for 126 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,680 that and we keep telling them like, hey, listen guys, if you 127 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,320 want a dog like we you got to pull your weight with the 128 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,120 chickens like I and I'll like take them with me. 129 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,320 You would got to go get the eggs. 130 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,680 We got to check on them. We got to give them water, all 131 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,120 the things, and they'll come occasionally. 132 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,800 But so I mean, this is one of those hard things we're like 133 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,960 trying to teach that. I know dogs different. 134 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,040 They live in the house, it's a little easier, but it's like, 135 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,640 dude, you got to take them for walks. 136 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,560 There's a lot of stuff you got to do with dogs. 137 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,640 It's not just 100% chickens. You can go on vacation and 138 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,200 they're fine. Yeah, you can't do that with 139 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,000 dogs. You can't. 140 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,960 It's like having another baby. Yeah. 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,840 I don't know if I want either one of those. 142 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,120 I definitely don't want another baby When and and dogs. 143 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,280 Yeah, I I think the older I get, the, the, the less I want a dog. 144 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,000 And I love my dogs, but, you know, they're you always have to 145 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,440 think about them. Like, you know, my kids are 16 146 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:32,760 now. I don't always have to think 147 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,800 about them. I mean, they always need money, 148 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,560 but I don't like to always, you know, think through. 149 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:39,600 OK. Are they OK? 150 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,600 Yeah, well, and that's a perfect little Segway. 151 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:49,960 So the first time we had you on the podcast was the first day or 152 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,240 that was the last day that you dropped to both of your kids off 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,160 at school, right. And then so now Mr. Lou Kaiser, 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,240 we are here for Lou Part 2, Part 2. 155 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,280 So thank you for coming this morning. 156 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,600 And I mean, it's been what, month and a half since that day 157 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,040 it. Feels like 6 years ago. 158 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,760 Yeah, yeah. So they're both just driving 159 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,200 fancy free. Complain about gas. 160 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Prices. Oh, I know. 161 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,080 Gosh. And, and complain about filling 162 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,880 up and yeah, yeah, just. I feel like I don't ever see 163 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,320 them. And then I do see them and of 164 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,040 course they work for me and so I get to see them all the time, 165 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,080 but then they're gone. They're like, hey, we're going 166 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,840 to go to the golf course, we're going to go to the lake, we're 167 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,440 going to go do here, we're going to go eat here. 168 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,720 And I'm like, you know, I'm here, you know, like let's let 169 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,480 let's hang out. But yeah, it's great. 170 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,880 It is it is good watching them drive. 171 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:48,360 And yesterday Daisy to tried out for I think it's called like 172 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,680 West Ridge student ambassador. And so like for like last week 173 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:53,920 she's been nervous because she did an interview and then she 174 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,680 had a all this thing and then people were starting to get 175 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,400 emails. They got denied and she wasn't 176 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,880 getting the e-mail. And then all weekend she was 177 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,480 checking her thing and then she she texted me yesterday. 178 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,720 She said, Daddy, I got it. And I was like, you know, I'm so 179 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,360 proud of you and. And So what is it? 180 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,480 It's like somehow when students come into West Ridge, like to 181 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,240 visit or freshman or like, I guess during graduation, they 182 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,320 got to dress up and like March the students in. 183 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,360 And I don't know how many of them made it. 184 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,160 I don't think a whole lot, but who knows? 185 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,040 But she was so excited to be a West Ridge student ambassador. 186 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,720 And so, you know, but that's that's part of like growing up 187 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,840 and like seeing that. And since the last time we 188 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,680 talked, she started her own little business called that's 189 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:40,360 right, it's Daisy Maid. And so I created her a website 190 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,120 and the whole stripe and the Twillow, which is for texting so 191 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,040 she can so our customers get a text message and you know, she's 192 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,480 able to take their payments. And it's been fun watching her 193 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,360 come up with this because you know, she's watched me be an 194 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,800 entrepreneur and now, you know, she's creating cake pops in, in 195 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,440 these little balls. And she's had customers, her 196 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,080 first customer was from Washington, DC and so she was 197 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,520 able to ship it. And since then, she's, she had 198 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,840 like customers every single week ordering her cake pops and her 199 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,480 gluten free cookies and her regular cookies. 200 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,320 And, but it's fun because I was sitting there, we were at 201 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,240 breakfast and she's like, dad, I still haven't got paid. 202 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,520 And I was like, what do you mean you haven't got paid? 203 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,960 And she's like, well, I mean, they paid me, but I, it's not my 204 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,360 bank account. And so like, well, well, give 205 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,480 me. And so like, I'm looking at it 206 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 and I realized I didn't set up, I set up for her to get paid, 207 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,280 but I set up for her to go into bank account, the bank account. 208 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,600 And so, you know, for us to be able to walk through those 209 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,360 little glitches together has been absolutely a blast. 210 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,080 And so, you know, as they're growing up, you know, I get to 211 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,000 see her thrive in this new little thing. 212 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,400 And you know, she makes tik toks everyday about it. 213 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,040 And I get to see her, you know, come up with her, her own plan, 214 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,120 you know, and I and and I get to encourage her, but let her let 215 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,280 her do her own thing. You know, she and she 216 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,880 privileged. She has a freaking commercial 217 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,960 kitchen that she can use. And Speaking of commercial 218 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,800 kitchen, got 99 yesterday on my health score here. 219 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,480 Looking. To that I didn't even know they 220 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,080 were obviously. You never here let me. 221 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,280 Yeah, it's surprise visit, right? 222 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,320 Every time it's a surprise visit, but 99, I left the 223 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,200 cabbage. I had a big 50 LB bag of cabbage 224 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,280 and I'd taken it off the shelf to clean something and left it 225 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,120 on the ground. So that's why I got a 99 on the. 226 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,000 What's what'd you do with the cabbage? 227 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,080 Can you? It's not not like it goes bad. 228 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,600 No, no, no, no. But part of the health risk, you 229 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,760 know, you got to have everything off the ground and, and so that 230 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:38,760 was a loss of a point, so. You know you know what you did 231 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,720 wrong. Yeah, but going back to Daisy, 232 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,880 you know, like she has this. Yeah, she has access to a 233 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,240 kitchen, you know, and because I take y'all's AOL class and I've 234 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,440 learned, you know, she I, I was able to make her a website, you 235 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:57,240 know, I was able to make her, you know, have Stripe and 236 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Twillow and I was able to do all that thing for to help her. 237 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:05,880 But because I helped her, I get to watch when she gets online to 238 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,440 work on her website because clearly I'm paying for the 239 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,160 website and I'm paying for her to edit the website. 240 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,160 So I get to see my tokens go away. 241 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,120 But there's many mornings she's up at 5:30 in the morning 242 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,640 working on her website. That's awesome. 243 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:24,440 And I'm thinking even though I I did a lot of the pre work to 244 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,640 watch her get up before school to make sure her websites good 245 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,080 to plan out what she's going to make for customers. 246 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,920 Yeah, is like a really cool thing. 247 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,760 And so I'm really proud of her. That's awesome. 248 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,920 And LB, he's doing great. He's got a, he's got a little 249 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,880 girlfriend and. Wait, is this the girlfriend 250 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,680 that he got a flower for? No. 251 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,960 Oh, OK. Oh, OK. 252 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,440 Yeah, that was her first date. Oops, sorry. 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Oh no. I'll be sorry. 254 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,440 Oh, that's right, that was his first date ever. 255 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,480 It was her first. Date ever. 256 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,920 Oh, her first ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 257 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,400 yeah. It's funny because I tell the 258 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,800 kids I was. I'm always like, you need to go 259 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,920 on a hundred dates, you know, figure out what you want. 260 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,960 But he's got a girlfriend and she's really cool and, and so 261 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,520 she's been hanging out with us a little bit and, and he, you 262 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,560 know, he drives A1972-F100. So it's like this old truck that 263 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:11,760 gets like 12 miles to the gallon. 264 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,040 You know, what a terrible time to drive an old truck with a gas 265 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,800 prices, you know, but he loves it and he got a little turtle 266 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,200 box in it now. And so because it has, it 267 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,720 doesn't have FM radio. What's a turtle box? 268 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,240 A turtle box is like this outdoor speaker. 269 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,720 It's waterproof and and it can charge his phone. 270 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,320 So it's like this box, and literally it's a box. 271 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,720 Oh, OK. Just kind of sits in the car on 272 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,240 the seats or something and. Then he, he can take it, he can 273 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,880 plug his phone in, it's got Bluetooth and then so he can 274 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,800 play his music. All right, because the truck has 275 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,160 AM radio, you know, and it, and it has, doesn't have any air 276 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,880 conditioners. So, you know, you got to roll 277 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,360 the windows down and open the little flaps and, and, you know, 278 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,560 so it's cool to watch him transform, you know, like 279 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:55,240 they're both transforming into their own person. 280 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,760 But I love it. Here's what he said to me. 281 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,680 And he's like, he's like, I, I miss Daisy and he's like, you 282 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,120 know, since we started driving, we don't get to see each other 283 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,920 as much. And like, it, it, it caught me 284 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,280 off guard. And I was like, you know, as a 285 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,800 dad, maybe I'm not doing something right in that Ave. 286 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,880 because I'm giving them all the freedom of the world, you know, 287 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,520 So what can I do to help facilitate? 288 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,520 And so next time that we're all together, because I only get 289 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,120 them every other week, we're going to have every weekend have 290 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,320 a designated family night where it's just the three of us. 291 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:31,160 And I'm looking forward to that. But you know, with freedom comes 292 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,520 all this responsibility. Then all the responsibility is a 293 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:34,760 parent. You have to figure out how to, 294 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 it's kind of like guardrails. Like where do you put the 295 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,440 guardrails? Where do you not? 296 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,720 It's just like with her business or his driving or her driving or 297 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,960 their relationships, like, you know, how much freedom do you 298 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,440 give them to hit the guardrails? But then also like, what do you 299 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,200 do? Protect it? 300 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,400 And so when he said to me, I miss Daisy, I was like, OK, as a 301 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 dad, I need to step in and do something, you know? 302 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,880 That's really sweet. Yeah, I love hearing it. 303 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,360 I mean. And sometimes you don't miss, 304 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,160 you don't realize that you don't miss something until you don't 305 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,160 have it anymore. And so that's cool that you're 306 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,200 going to do Family Nights. What's your first one going to 307 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,600 be? Well, it's lake season, so the 308 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,040 three of us are going to go wake surfing. 309 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,200 OK. Yeah, I mean, that's a big thing 310 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,200 we've done forever together. And they both have their boat 311 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,480 license. And you know, in the state of 312 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,240 Tennessee, if you were born after 1991, you have to have a 313 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,600 boat license, so. Wait, what's the significant? 314 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,720 Oh, just after night? What did you say? 315 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,920 Did you say something? Oh, I Did you hear him? 316 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,360 I thought he was starting to say something. 317 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,600 No, no, no. But So after 91 you have to have 318 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,000 your boy license. Yeah, so like, I mean, a lot of 319 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,000 people in Tennessee, a lot of people don't have to have a 320 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,960 license, but anybody born after 1991, so obviously they were 321 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,280 born in 2010, but so they have a, but they're both licensed 322 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,240 now, so they can both pull me and I can pull them. 323 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,000 And yeah, but next week we're just the three of us are going 324 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,560 to go out and listen to some music and go wake surfing. 325 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,800 Which lake? We we are boats on Boom Lake. 326 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Oh OK, nice y'all. Should come out with this one 327 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,800 day. That'd be fun. 328 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,400 Yeah, do you wake Surf? No, I do not. 329 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:08,680 I haven't. I do. 330 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:09,120 Yeah. Yeah. 331 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,920 I I love tubing. Like tubing. 332 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,640 So much fun. Like like tubing safe or tubing 333 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,840 like dad style or you're going to go in the air. 334 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,760 I mean, I've done all the above. OK, so when we grew up. 335 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,600 To know if you're going to get on my tube. 336 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,440 What level of scary? I mean, you know, I don't know, 337 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,560 I'm an old mom now, so I haven't gone tubing in forever, but our 338 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,200 boys would love it. They just, I don't know if 339 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,480 they're, I don't know if they can handle that. 340 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,200 Yeah, they can. I will, says the dad that was 341 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,640 like, that was like a quintessential mom dad moment, 342 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,920 wasn't it? Where I was like, I don't know 343 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,000 if they can handle it. And Brian's like, yeah, they're 344 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,200 boys, they're good. And so that was hilarious. 345 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,680 We just like literally lived that out. 346 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,000 Yes, she did. And I was over there wondering 347 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,400 what you were questioning. Of course they can handle it, I 348 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,840 mean. They, I mean, they've never. 349 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Done a water enema from a tube Then you're not living life I 350 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,040 mean. What are you doing with 351 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,400 yourself? I've tried. 352 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,520 I don't even know all the water sports that I've tried. 353 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,880 So growing up in Minnesota, it's the land of 10,000 lakes, right? 354 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,640 So there's water everywhere you turn and it's gorgeous, 355 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,760 beautiful, clean water. And so we had a boat on Lake 356 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,319 Minnetonka and it was like a, I mean, you know, this is the 90s. 357 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,520 It was like a big deal for my parents to like, save up and get 358 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,240 this boat. And I remember laboring over the 359 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,920 name with them for so long because my parents were like, 360 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,560 everybody was trying to have like a say, oh, you should call 361 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,240 it this or call it this. And my parents settled on the 362 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,920 name, the Fellowship. So they had that, you know, 363 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,280 little decal on the back of it. I think it was a Larson. 364 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,200 I think it was just like a small, I don't even know the 365 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,240 size. I just know that it was like hot 366 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,280 pink and like neon green. Also the 90s right white boat 367 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,960 with like the pinstriping of those colors and and the slip 368 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:06,080 our boat was next to. Oh my gosh. 369 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,960 What was the name of the old Vikings coach Denny Green from 370 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,160 like, the 90s? Yeah. 371 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,360 His slip wasn't right next door, just on Lake Minnetonka. 372 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:16,800 It wasn't. It was just a regular little 373 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,360 tiny boat slip. It wasn't anything extravagant 374 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:20,920 or crazy. But he, and that's probably why 375 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,680 he chose it, so that people wouldn't recognize him. 376 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,080 But his boat slip was next to ours, which was funny. 377 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,080 But we used to just, like, some of my fondest memories from 378 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,360 growing up were just us getting on the boat for the weekend and 379 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,320 we would just throw an anchor and swim or, you know, maybe 380 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,160 like camp out. And it was just, it was just so 381 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,840 much fun. But tubing was our jam. 382 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,280 We would get, we had the double tube, we had two tubes. 383 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,920 And you just, you know, our goal was to just like knock into each 384 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,760 other and pop out. Congratulations. 385 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,480 We did it and I survived. No broken bones. 386 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,080 So and then you really were questioning whether your kids 387 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,800 could do that. I was older. 388 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,160 It doesn't matter. I know and that's but that's 389 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,800 just you know, what are those mom things? 390 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,920 They're only like 1 of them is almost 5 and the other one just 391 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,480 turned 6. I mean that's that's still 392 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:06,120 pretty young. That's. 393 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,680 Prom. They got life jackets, Yeah. 394 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:14,040 But OK, if you want to see me I'll just be white knuckling the 395 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,800 whole time. It's scarier as an adult. 396 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,160 Yeah. Yeah, because your mind as a 397 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,400 kid, you're you're just holding on for life and having a blast. 398 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,960 Like no thoughts of oh, is there other boats out here? 399 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,840 Is there land? Is there sticks? 400 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Is there rocks? You know, is it going to hurt my 401 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,960 eyes? Am I going to lose my skin? 402 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,600 Am I going to get an enema? Like, like none of those 403 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,840 thoughts exist when you're a kid, but as an adult you're 404 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,600 like, you're thinking through all those things that same time. 405 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,800 And so at some point you have to like, just have fun. 406 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,120 When do you think that point ends? 407 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Like for childhood? Like do you do you remember when 408 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,280 you started worrying about things or do you think it was 409 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,680 just like a slow transition? I think it's when I had kids. 410 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,280 Oh, OK, Yeah, that makes sense. So late 20s. 411 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,680 OK, it was that shift. Yeah, it had to been that shift 412 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,120 because before then it just, you know, whatever happened 413 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:12,480 happened. It has to be for me anyway, 414 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,440 because I just no worries in the world, right. 415 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,320 And now, you know, you constantly think, you know, what 416 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,920 ifs. And so I think for me being out 417 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,800 on the lake and I'm like the whole my whole life, I'm 418 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,800 confident, but I also know what to look for. 419 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:40,560 So I don't get nervous out there when I'm driving the boat at 420 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,720 all, you know, because I know where I'm looking. 421 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,560 I know where my boobies are. I know where the landmarks are, 422 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,400 you know, I know what I'm supposed to look at on my 423 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,760 engine. You know, I know what I'm 424 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:54,640 supposed to be listening for all the things that so I feel 100% 425 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,040 confident. But when I get off that boat and 426 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,240 I trust somebody else to drive, my everything in me goes nuts, 427 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,280 you know? And so like I remember the first 428 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,920 time, it was just the three of us on the boat and it was 429 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,120 Daisy's Daisy was going to drive me and I was going to wake surf 430 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,880 and I was I was having fun. But the same time my mom was 431 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,600 like blowing up because I'm still trying to drive while wake 432 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,480 surfing, while looking at my little girl being excited as I 433 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,520 can be and my son's there protect watching, you know, and 434 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,760 she's getting ready to drive me and and and I just remember like 435 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,840 trying to take it all in and being excited about it, but also 436 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,800 being so nervous because I wasn't in charge. 437 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,520 I I struggle not being in charge. 438 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:47,640 The, I think it was 2 weeks ago, one of the sermons that we had a 439 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,360 church was about what is, what is one thing that you struggle 440 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:58,640 with everyday basically. And like we had a note card and 441 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,320 you had to think about it for a few minutes and then write that 442 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,000 thing down. And then we, when we went to 443 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,720 take communion, then you had to like leave it, you know, like 444 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,000 leave it right there so that you can just leave it, confess it 445 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,120 and take your communion. And it's interesting that you 446 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,000 say that because I put control as mine because I think that's 447 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,920 also hard as a parent. And then, you know, God made us 448 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,080 so differently, men and women in our roles, especially for 449 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,760 stewarding our children, right? And we both have roles that like 450 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,480 work together. I mean, it should always work 451 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,360 together, but like there's roles, there's things that the 452 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:39,000 mom needs to do and there's things that the dad needs to do 453 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,400 for kids. And so I think when when that I 454 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,680 was sitting there and I was like, Oh my gosh, what word? 455 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,280 Like what can I give up? And then I was like control 456 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,440 because it's so hard. Even, you know, just the whole 457 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,280 boating scenario, like, Oh my gosh, like that was control, 458 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,000 obviously, like safety. But at the same time, like you 459 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,520 guys are both dads and it's not like either one of you would let 460 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,240 anything happen to the boys either. 461 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,520 But it's just so funny how we just like we go to that place 462 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,880 and I don't know if it's if it's our society that has gotten us 463 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,480 to like this point of that. We think that our self is so 464 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,800 important. And so we just go down these 465 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,320 rabbit holes of, and I think that could be an easy pitfall 466 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,440 for moms especially is, oh, I know more than I know more 467 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,480 because I'm the mom and I've spent more time or like XYZ, 468 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,440 like whatever we want to fill that paper with for ourselves to 469 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,080 make it justified or whatever. Because I feel like it's, it's 470 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,240 an easy trap that the enemy tells moms like, you know, the 471 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,800 best control, blah, blah, blah. And so it's just really like, 472 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,400 difficult to just release and let that control go. 473 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,920 So you're telling me as my boys get older, if I'm already 474 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,520 struggling with control, I'm going to struggle more in 13 475 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,720 years when Judah starts driving? 100%, yeah, yeah. 476 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,200 Yeah, oh wait. Not 13 years. 10 years. 477 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,480 Yeah, Oh my gosh. Because he's 6. 478 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,280 Yeah, yeah. I think we struggled with math 479 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,280 last time we were here. Dude, I get that storm last 480 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,640 night was. Did you hear it? 481 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,920 We've been up since 3:00. Oh, I don't get up for storms. 482 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,600 I'm just like if it's going to hit me, it's going to hit me. 483 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,480 Well, I it was so loud. It was. 484 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,720 It was very. Loud and we thought for sure the 485 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,960 boys were going to wake up and they didn't. 486 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,400 It was just us and we were just like Oh my gosh, this is the 487 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,880 worst. So like I can't. 488 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,960 I have trouble mouthing normally anyways, let alone on. 489 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,200 My dogs, they got me up and and I was like, y'all just got to go 490 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,600 back to sleep. We're not going to worry about. 491 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,520 It What kind of dogs do you have? 492 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280 I got 2 little tiny I grew up with big dogs my whole life and 493 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,440 now I have these little tiny dogs. 494 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,040 They're a Manchester Terrier Chihuahua, 11 years old. 495 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:05,120 Is that one dog? That's Manchester Terrier 496 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,000 Chihuahua. So it's like a mixed breed. 497 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,960 But yeah, I mean, he's like this little big, he's tiny little 498 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,320 thing and but he's an old man, you know, it's just, and then we 499 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,440 have a, it's called a Frenchten. So it's a Boston Terrier and a 500 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,600 French bulldog mix. And that's the other dog. 501 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,680 So we have Bobby is the Frenchten and Champ is the 502 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,120 Manchester Terrier Chihuahua. Bobby and Champ. 503 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:30,880 Bobby and Champ. And they're both senior dogs. 504 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,960 No no. So Bobby is like 6 years old, 505 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,800 champs like 11. And is 6 that's not puppy age 506 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 but that's like I don't know for little dogs because they live a 507 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,800 long time so that kid still might be considered a puppy for 508 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,160 a little dog. He, I mean, it could be, but I 509 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,760 mean he's pretty mature, but. Were they rescues? 510 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,040 So we rescued A champ. So my little girl was Daisy was 511 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,640 6. She I told her if she won the 512 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,080 she wanted this like dog, right? And and she kept, we kept asking 513 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,920 we want, she wants a dog. She I was like, we got dogs. 514 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,600 What do you mean? She said no, I want a little 515 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,960 dog. And I was like, I don't want a 516 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,440 little dog. We got two big dogs. 517 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,360 We're good, we're happy. And she won the state 518 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:17,720 championship in gymnastics and beat everybody in the state, all 519 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760 ages is 6 years old. And I was like, OK, Daisy, you 520 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,760 can get a dog, you know? And so I was like, but you got 1 521 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,960 requirement. It's going to come from the 522 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,880 pound and it can't bark. I was like, she's never going to 523 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,640 get a dog. Could you go to the pound? 524 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,600 They're all barking. So we get there and all these 525 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,640 little dogs and there's just one not barking. 526 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,840 I was like, oh God. And she's like, daddy, that was 527 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:49,160 not barking. I was like, you know, so we get 528 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,560 this dog out right and it just sits there, you know, just as 529 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,800 happy as it can be. And of course we don't know 530 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,200 anything about dog. We just know it's a little and 531 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,240 it's going to be a little dog. So we adopt this dog. 532 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,960 This dog doesn't bark for three months. 533 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,920 And somehow this dog at three months decided it is time. 534 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:14,960 It was like he was, I guess it was 6 at the time, 5 or 6. 535 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000 We don't know how old the dog was, you know, but it was a more 536 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,280 mature dog. And, and now anytime somebody 537 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,240 new shows up, he wants to bark. And I'm like, what happened to 538 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,560 you? And then my son, we were in a, 539 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,080 we're in a car wreck, I guess six years ago. 540 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,320 And, and it was pretty traumatic for him. 541 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,760 We were, we were driving and we've been on a cruise and we 542 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,160 got off, we were heading home and it was hurricane that came 543 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,480 through. So like all the lights were 544 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,640 messed up and we got off the Interstate to find some food and 545 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,160 it was hard to find food because the restaurants were not really 546 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:58,400 open and a car pulls out and just T bones us basically. 547 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,960 And was really traumatic for him because it hit him on his side. 548 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,480 I was just going to say it was on his side. 549 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:11,000 Yeah, and so for, for a while, every time he'd hear an 550 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,720 ambulance, a fire truck, what a police car, he would, he would 551 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,560 just freak out. And so I read about these French 552 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,120 dens. They're Boss Terry, French 553 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,560 bulldog mixes. They're really, really good with 554 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,720 helping with trauma and calming. And so we, we bought him this, 555 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,440 this little puppy, you know, this puppy is 6 weeks old and, 556 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,320 and it's been his dog. He named it Bobby Boucher, you 557 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,600 know, like, like Bobby Boucher from Waterboy, but Bobby Boucher 558 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,400 and from Boone, like, you know, so and you know, it's his 559 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480 really, it's his dog. But he, the dog loves me. 560 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,920 He loves, loves LB too, but he sleeps with me. 561 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,800 But it helped him, you know, it calmed him down. 562 00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,560 We also took him to a therapist and did the rapid eye movement. 563 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Oh yeah. And that really helped him work 564 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,120 through that trauma of the car wreck and the dog. 565 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,280 And we took the dog to therapy with him. 566 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,440 And it was amazing. I mean, it really was like 567 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,840 seeing him transform out of that fear that it was created by this 568 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,960 accident. And it was kind of interesting 569 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,680 because we had the car wreck and then a few months later we were 570 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360 at Meadowview and there was a shooting at Meadowview and we 571 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,800 were locked inside this room and there was SWAT team and it was 572 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,480 all this stuff was happening. And so it's just like this 573 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,520 compounding. But to see him thrive out of 574 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,800 that. And of course, that's why we 575 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,920 have Bobby. And, and it's true. 576 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:46,160 Like, I mean, that those, those dogs are just they, they just 577 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,600 comforting, you know, their whole meaning in life is to take 578 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,080 care of us. And, you know, that's quite 579 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,240 amazing when you have, you know, as humans, we. 580 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,400 Yeah. We want to take care of each 581 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,320 other. Yeah, but that's his whole role 582 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,040 in life. Is this dog is is us like 583 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,160 nothing else. And I mean, I think that's kind 584 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,520 of an interesting fact about dogs. 585 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,480 Yeah, they just love so unconditionally. 586 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,960 And they're just like literally where? 587 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,320 Where's my human? Are they coming home? 588 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Are they're gone? OK, I'm just going to hang out 589 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,520 here. And it's just like. 590 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760 We're right here waiting. Yeah, and it's, it's incredible. 591 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,520 Like they don't care because they see it. 592 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,000 They see us in our worst. They see all of the things and 593 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,200 they don't. They just literally could give a 594 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,800 RIP. Like it's they're just something 595 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,560 so sweet about dogs and cats are not the same way. 596 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,240 They're definitely not. But I mean, all this is just 597 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,560 making me want to get a dog. How you doing over there, Brian? 598 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,600 Brian's like I'm already on the pet websites. 599 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,560 Yeah, I'm already looking. Well, no. 600 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,320 So we had it was like a month or a month and a half ago. 601 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,320 So our dog was, her name was Riley and she was a commendore 602 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,800 doodle mix. So commendores are the dogs that 603 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,400 have dreadlocks that like you see the dog shows and everything 604 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,760 like they lay down on the ground just looks like a giant mop and 605 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,520 they're huge. And so it was, what year did you 606 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:24,840 get Riley? So Brian was watching his 607 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,000 sister's doodle, right? You're watching the Dudley. 608 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,960 Yeah. And he was doing, like, 609 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360 deliveries and all kinds of stuff for work at that point. 610 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,680 So he had his sister's dog with him always, all the time. 611 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,000 He's watching her for a little while. 612 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840 And it was somebody at work, right? 613 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,200 That was like, hey, you like dogs? 614 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,120 They're like, hey, you like dogs. 615 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,640 Because I know somebody that like the most random thing. 616 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240 You like dogs? I got some in my trunk. 617 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,240 Eddie Bryan's like, yeah, I like dogs. 618 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,720 It's weird. It's a weird Segway. 619 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,160 But what do you got? And he's like, well, I know. 620 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,160 I know people that have a dog and they just don't want it 621 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,440 anymore. Do you want it? 622 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,640 And he was like, OK, I'll sure. Like that sounds awful. 623 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,200 Like, I'm going to go rescue that dog. 624 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,360 So he and his best friend Brian, believe it or not, they're both 625 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,760 named Brian. I call them the Bryan's. 626 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,280 That's good. They hopped in a car and they 627 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,640 drove like an hour right or so. And when they got to the house, 628 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,640 these people had a ton of dogs. They like, you know, wasn't 629 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,480 probably the cleanest situation. And she was the dog. 630 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,640 Riley was just lethargic. She was just kind of like, and 631 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,120 Brian was like, OK. And they were like, well, we 632 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,600 don't want her because she's no fun. 633 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,720 She's just lethargic. She just doesn't do anything. 634 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,760 And he was like, all right, I'll take her. 635 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,880 And she had a giant paws. So Brian's like, oh, this is 636 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,640 going to be, it's going to be a big girl. 637 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,400 I'll take her. How much you want for? 638 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,800 And they were like, I don't know, 50 bucks. 639 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,600 And so he was like, here you go. So then he picked her up with 640 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,880 Brian and got her in the seat and gave her, was it 3 flea 641 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,120 dips? Yeah. 642 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,920 And then the next day, because when you opened her eyes, you 643 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,200 could just see the fleas running on her hair. 644 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,200 So that's why she was lethargic is because she was so bogged 645 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200 down with fleas. What? 646 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,680 What Puppy's going to want to do anything. 647 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,800 So it was 3 flea dips and then taking her to the vet the next 648 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,600 day to get another one. And then she just like turned 649 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360 around instantly. It was just like the happiest 650 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,800 puppy of all time. And then she ended up being 125 651 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,040 lbs and she was just so beautiful. 652 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,560 I mean, we would take her own walks and people would be like, 653 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,880 what kind of a dog is that? Because she would kind of look 654 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,800 like a doodle. But then she would we kept her 655 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,600 hair short so that it did. It didn't dread because she 656 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,600 would just been too miserable. It would be so hot. 657 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,840 They're originally from Hungary and they, the cords are they, 658 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,840 they grow their hair long and they guard sheep. 659 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,920 And the cords are there because they defend bears and coyotes 660 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,280 and all the things going after the sheep. 661 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,680 And so when a predator like goes to bite it or anything, they 662 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,240 just get the cords and then protects them. 663 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,960 And they look like a sheep walking around with all their 664 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,960 hair. And so she looked to be 11, 665 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,199 which is really late in life. I mean, the vet told us it was 2 666 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,080 years past her life expectancy. And we were just like, I mean, 667 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,280 every day that we had with her, we were just like, this is a 668 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,400 total gift. And so like we haven't been able 669 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:27,719 to replace her yet just because we're, you know, it's hard, but 670 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,920 we did find a Commodore breeder because we, I mean, we just, we 671 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,000 know that dog. We love her. 672 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,960 Like it's, that's, we just, that's our thing. 673 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:41,679 Sorry, I know adopt don't shop, but we don't like shedding. 674 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,400 We don't like all those things like, and we just, it's, she's a 675 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:50,080 fierce guard dog. And so this woman ended up, she 676 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,880 was taking over some. There was a woman that had a 677 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,120 litter of Commodore puppies, and she was elderly and she didn't 678 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,320 really know what to do. And all of the puppies had some 679 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,080 kind of a hernia, which I guess is easily fixable, you know, 680 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,760 when they get spayed and neutered and stuff like that. 681 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,680 But she was like, do you guys, do you guys want one? 682 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,120 And we were like, Oh my gosh, yes. 683 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,600 But no. But yes. 684 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,080 And this was like a month, a month and a half ago. 685 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,960 And we were like, all right, all right, God, this will be a lot 686 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,800 on our plate right now to add a dog to this mix. 687 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,680 But this is kind of a once in a lifetime chance that this woman 688 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,000 is going to, you know, give us a, a Commodore puppy. 689 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,080 And so we were like, OK, all right. 690 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,040 And we had a couple conversations with her and then 691 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,040 she ghosted us. Yeah, so I don't know. 692 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,040 And like, you know, whatever, God works in mysterious ways. 693 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,280 So maybe maybe we were saved from that one. 694 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,080 It was just kind of weird because we were supposed to be 695 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,680 hearing from her about the next steps. 696 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,400 So it's OK it. Is all right. 697 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,720 So this is where we are. We're dogless but chicken full 698 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:11,240 and we'll see. We'll see what what God puts in 699 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:12,440 our lap for that one I. Like that. 700 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,400 I like that word, what, you know, what God puts in our lap. 701 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600 I think it's a, you know, you think about life. 702 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,080 And I mean, too often we take full control, go back to 703 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,560 control. And how often do we wait? 704 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:32,920 You know, I think that Sunday I was preaching on Jericho and 705 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,680 then walking around the city and I and I was talking to my church 706 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,760 and I was like, I don't think I could do that. 707 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,400 I don't think that I could walk around the city once a day and 708 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,440 then seven times on the 7th day. I don't think I, I, I have too 709 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,240 much control issues and I'm impatient. 710 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,920 But yet they had to like that was, who would have thought that 711 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,280 that was the plan? You know, like, like, I'm going 712 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,920 to wait. I'm going to walk around the 713 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,160 city every night. I've been like, hey, y'all, 714 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,920 anybody hear any cracks? Yeah. 715 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,600 Anybody see anything happening? We're wasting our time because I 716 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,400 think too often we want full control and we don't know how to 717 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,120 wait. We don't know how to be patient. 718 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,520 We don't know how to take our time. 719 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,960 OK, I say we I because I need to take more authority for myself. 720 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,280 You don't know how to do that. And, you know, so when you said 721 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,480 you, you want to wait for God to put something in your lap and, 722 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,000 and you know, that's hard to do because what does that time look 723 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,200 like, you know? Like, well, you can go even 724 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,960 deeper to like, what is time to God, Yeah. 725 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,320 Yeah, I don't think we have enough time on this podcast. 726 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,080 It's then you start thinking in these, then you go down these 727 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,840 rabbit holes because it's then if you look at all the biblical 728 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,000 stories, all of the things, even when it talks about, even when 729 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,440 it explains that story, we really don't know how long they 730 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,320 did that because what's is biblical time the same as it is 731 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600 today? How we are the measurement of 732 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,160 time Is it, you know, like you can literally ask yourself 1000 733 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,480 questions to try and understand it. 734 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,960 And that is the amazing thing about the Bible, though, is that 735 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,480 and I was thinking about this morning, because we were reading 736 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520 in our devotional this morning, we're in Matthew. 737 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:26,400 I think it was Matthew, what, 24 this morning and for how many 738 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,920 times? And as a pastor too, like all we 739 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:35,640 do, we have one book that we get to study for our entire lives 740 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,600 and you talk about it all the time and we still will never 741 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,000 fully, fully understand the one book not. 742 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,320 At. All like, it blows my mind that 743 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,160 like, like, and so I was like, Oh my gosh, how many times have 744 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,200 we read Matthew chapter 24? And then seeing words or like 745 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,200 different phrases pop out at you at different points in your life 746 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,360 is what's really interesting. And this morning was talking 747 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,280 about, you know, talking about in Daniel, when the time comes, 748 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,560 you know, one will be left, one will be in the field. 749 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,960 And then it talked about, you know, woe to the women who are 750 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,400 pregnant or nursing during these times because it's going to be 751 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,920 very difficult. And it was just really 752 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,560 interesting because I was like, Oh my gosh. 753 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,520 And then I was putting myself in those scenarios and in those 754 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,680 shoes. And then you hear all the 755 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,800 different things that it's saying. 756 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,600 You know, there'll be earthquakes, there'll be 757 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,280 famines, there'll be all the stuff. 758 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,320 And that'll just be the beginning. 759 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,640 And it's like, well, when was that beginning? 760 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,840 When did that beginning start? Because we've always had famines 761 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,040 and we've had earthquakes, you know, like we have all all these 762 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,080 things. So then that's another rabbit 763 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,960 hole of, gosh, when did, when did it start? 764 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,680 Are we in the end times right now? 765 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:55,080 Yeah. See, I refuse to go down that 766 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,600 that hole. I refuse. 767 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,840 Like people try to get me to go down that hole all the time. 768 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,880 And I'm like, I'm not God. You know what it says in Psalm, 769 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,240 Psalm 118, verse 8, It is better to trust in God than put your 770 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,680 trust in man. And anybody that ever tries to 771 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,520 tell me they know, I'm like, yeah, I'm not trusting you. 772 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,160 Or if they try to tell me they know exactly what the Bible 773 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120 says, I'm like, Yep, going the other way on that one because I 774 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,520 mean, we don't know. We don't. 775 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,960 I mean, it, it just just we, how in the world did them walk 776 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,240 around the city blowing Ram's horn make the city? 777 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,800 We don't we don't know, but we we know that they had to have 778 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,920 faith. They had to have trust. 779 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,720 You know, it's just like me being a pastor at 18, you know, 780 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,800 what in the world was God thinking? 781 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,920 You know, I still don't know, like why? 782 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,800 You know, I mean, I was a sophomore in college, you know, 783 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,480 and I didn't know anything. I was an idiot. 784 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,080 And then God put me in charge of these people and they're all 785 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,600 you. You go back and talk to them. 786 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,200 They were like, yeah, that was some of our best times that 787 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,320 we've ever had in church. And I'm like, what? 788 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,400 Did what? Like I was an idiot. 789 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,960 I still am. But I was more of an idiot, you 790 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,040 know, like, and, and and you think you through that. 791 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,080 Like we want it to be perfect. We want the perfect timing. 792 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,760 We want the perfect dog. We want the perfect disc. 793 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,840 We want the perfect everything. Control, control. 794 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,720 And yet here God is like, hey, I want you to walk around that 795 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:21,440 city. What do you mean, God? 796 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,440 I want you to walk. Walk around what? 797 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,560 Yeah. And then? 798 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,000 I'll let you know when when to stop. 799 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,200 And on the 7th day, you're going to walk around it 7 times. 800 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,640 Oh, OK. And then you're going to scream 801 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600 and blow some horns. That sounds ridiculous. 802 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,120 God, but they did it. And like, that's what I want. 803 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,400 I want to be able to live that life where I say to God, I will 804 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,560 do that. And I and, and, and I've been a 805 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,720 pastor for 26 years and I still don't know if I'm there. 806 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,440 And I, and I struggle with that. Like I still don't know if I'm 807 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,720 there. Do you think it was easier to 808 00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,360 drop everything and do something like that back in the day than 809 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,320 it is today? No, I I don't think so. 810 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,040 OK. I mean, if we want to give 811 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,040 ourselves an out, then sure, but how can we compare ourselves to 812 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,280 them? They had to look for their food 813 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,040 every day. They had to go look for water 814 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,200 every day. They had to make sure they had, 815 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,600 you know, they had to go do all those things every day. 816 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,360 Just because what we do is different doesn't mean it's 817 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640 harder. But I think that we want to give 818 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,560 ourselves out. Oh, it was easier back then 819 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,240 because they didn't have social media. 820 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,120 Oh, it was easier back then because they didn't have cars. 821 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,720 It was easier back then because they didn't have this. 822 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,520 But and then we just put ourselves on a pedestal, you 823 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,720 know, man, I don't think we could do that. 824 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,720 I think we, we have our issues. They had their issues. 825 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,000 We have our problems. They have their problems, you 826 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,440 know. Just looks different. 827 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,920 Just different problems, you know, same God, same trust 828 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,440 issues, same, you know, ability to either choose to follow God 829 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,080 or not follow God, you know, and I think we have to make that 830 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,800 choice. I mean, I, I truly believe I, 831 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,920 and one of my first churches was this lady was she was 103. 832 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,600 Her name was Miss White and she didn't come to church anymore. 833 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,120 I would go visit her. So I had two churches. 834 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:15,760 I think we talked about this last time. 835 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,800 So in this. The church that used to drive 836 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,520 like 3 hours. No, that was my that was in 837 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,560 seminary. This was my first few churches, 838 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,440 Mount Carmel and Oakfield. This was when I was in college. 839 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,800 So I did, I was there for three years, but so I would leave one 840 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,800 church, drive to her house, visit with her for a few minutes 841 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,040 and drive to my next church, 2 small churches and I had a few 842 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,760 minutes, but she was 103 and I never, I would go in and knock 843 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,600 on the door and we would have a few minutes conversation. 844 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,960 But she would always encourage me. 845 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:53,720 You know, she and, and I mean she was old and, and, and 100 846 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,920 her house caught on fire and she got out and watched it burn and 847 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,680 then didn't want to go live with anybody else. 848 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,880 And so they got her a trailer, you know, and, but I at 103, she 849 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,320 would talk to me about calm and how the older she got, the more 850 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,120 that she learned that she didn't know about God and the more she 851 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,520 didn't know about God, the more she trusted God. 852 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,560 And hear this 103 year olds talking to this, you know, I was 853 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,560 probably 19 when I met her for the first time. 854 00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,960 And she was trying to encourage me that it's OK to be young 855 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,800 because I'm 103. And I still don't get it. 856 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,120 And I think, you know, you look back on that, that I look back 857 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,800 on that moment and how much those few minutes every Sunday 858 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,600 meant to me, you know, just visiting Miss White. 859 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,120 So we went one Sunday, I commenced the whole church just 860 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,840 to go there. And so we we went, we all met 861 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,600 outside her house and we all couldn't get in her house, but 862 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,720 she sat on the out on thing we had. 863 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,440 We had our service right there in her front yard for Miss 864 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,600 White. That's cool. 865 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,680 Yeah, I hadn't thought about that in a long, long time, but 866 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,760 what a sweet lady. Yeah, yeah. 867 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,320 Did she have any kids or any relatives in the family? 868 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,680 Yeah. She had great kids and kids. 869 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,320 And, in fact, that's why I went to visit her. 870 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,080 Somebody called me and was like, hey, it's my, you know, my 871 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,520 grandmother, great grandma. I don't even remember which one 872 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,240 she was. And she's like, you know, she 873 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,960 used to be a member of the church, or she still is. 874 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,880 Well, you go by and visit her, and it just happened to be on 875 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,520 the way. Yeah, on the way. 876 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,560 You ever think about that? Like, like what else? 877 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,480 On the way that we don't even pay attention to. 878 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,080 A lot of stuff. A lot of stuff it's on the way 879 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,120 we just don't pay attention to. It and depending on your 880 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,080 interpretation of on the way, everything could be on the way. 881 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,120 You know, you could end up taking a detour down another 882 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,560 road to finding something and that's still on the way, but 883 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,840 that is life. Yeah, that is, isn't it? 884 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,280 Yeah. Yeah, on the way. 885 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,880 That'd be a good bumper sticker. Yeah. 886 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,120 I'm on the way, I just don't know which way yet. 887 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,560 You don't even know when I'm going to get there, but I'm on 888 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,840 the way. As a pastor, how do you preach 889 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,320 about revelation? Because I know it's like, I know 890 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,520 there's two ways that to interpret the Bible, right? 891 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,400 There's literary and there's, Oh my gosh, what's the second? 892 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,960 There's literary. Oh, I don't even remember what. 893 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,640 Metaphorically. Is it? 894 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,600 Yeah, OK, not only can't do math today, I can't remember. 895 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,640 That's OK Certain words. And so it's Revelation is a very 896 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,640 weird book and same with Daniel. I mean, there's a lot, you know, 897 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,600 they kind of go hand in hand, but like it's, it's, it's it's 898 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:40,920 hard as a believer to talk to people about Revelation because 899 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,440 like, if you're, if you're helping them and getting them 900 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,080 excited about like reading the Bible or like doing all the 901 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,840 things and then they get to Revelation and it's like, Oh my 902 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,160 gosh, what? OK, I don't know if I can 903 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,880 believe in this anymore. And it's like, it's such a hard 904 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:54,880 book. Well. 905 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,560 Because we read the Bible, we're reading a story of what 906 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,680 happened. Then you get to Revelation and 907 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,880 you're reading a story of what is going to happen. 908 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,280 So it's like trying to predict the future. 909 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,840 And and so we, we, we start in Genesis and you work your way 910 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,720 all the way through and you're reading these stories of things 911 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,920 that happened, right? How they interpret them in that 912 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,800 time, how they saw the story play out, how they understood 913 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560 it. It's just like our last podcast. 914 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,640 You and I sat right here and we shared the stories and we talked 915 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,800 and we lived it. Brian watched it. 916 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,640 I guarantee if you went home and wrote down what happened, and I 917 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,560 went and wrote down what happened, and Brian went down 918 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,600 and wrote what happened, and then we can pile those stories. 919 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,960 And then we played what happened because we had it on tape and 920 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,880 all three of us would be wrong, right? 921 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,320 Because that was our interpretation. 922 00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:00,320 So I think so many times we read the Bible like it was a perfect 923 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,160 memory and it's not. It was an interpretation of what 924 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,840 was happening in that time. And they did the best they could 925 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,520 because, you know, they had the oral tradition first and they 926 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,280 would tell the story over and over and over. 927 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,400 And they had the written tradition because they actually 928 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,400 started writing it down. And then and then that carried 929 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,360 over. And then we have the Book of 930 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,120 Revelation, which is a, which is a dream and a story of what is 931 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,560 going to happen too many times in our life. 932 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,560 In my opinion, people will say, well, this is how it has to 933 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,680 happen. Well, no, because we're not God, 934 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,160 right? So when I read the Book of 935 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,920 Revelation, I'm like, OK, that's a great warning. 936 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:43,680 But I don't, I, and personally, I don't spend a lot of time on 937 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:50,080 Revelation because if it's truly not for me, it's, it's going to 938 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,840 be for somebody else. Because for me, I'm a Christian 939 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,560 like, like the for me, when I read the Book of Revelation, 940 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,440 it's for somebody who's not a Christian, it is hell on earth. 941 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,480 And IA lot of times think that we live that out every day. 942 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,560 Because for people who don't have hope or love or grace, 943 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,320 imagine they live out Revelation every day. 944 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,040 It's horrible. But when I go through something, 945 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,720 yes, it's bad, but I have something greater. 946 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:26,080 And so for me, I rarely preach on Revelation just because I 947 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,960 don't live my life scaring people. 948 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:34,840 I don't live my life in a way that life sucks or it's going to 949 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,160 be hard all the time because I don't believe that. 950 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,920 Do I believe we all go through hard moments? 951 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,120 Yes. But for me, in that hard moment, 952 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,040 I have Jesus Christ, I have grace, I have love, I have 953 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,640 mercy, I have forgiveness and I have stories from the Bible of 954 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,480 what what people also went through and how they out 955 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,520 overcame it. That's why I think too many 956 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,400 times in our life we don't tell our story right. 957 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,040 It's embarrassing to talk about going through a divorce. 958 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:04,520 It's embarrassing to talk about being scared of something. 959 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,160 It's embarrassing to tell how you failed at something or how 960 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,240 you walked down the wrong path or how you chose the wrong 961 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,680 person or how you parented wrong. 962 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,040 It's embarrassing. But what if we took that 963 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,320 embarrassing man out and started telling our story to each other, 964 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,320 to the world, to podcast, to through writing, through books. 965 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,080 And we're like, OK, this is where we've been and this is 966 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,040 where we're going and this is how we got here, right? 967 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,520 Because that's what they did in the Bible. 968 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,760 They said, here's what we did, you know, I mean, Can you 969 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,280 imagine that the people that wrote about the Israelites 970 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,680 standing there with the the sea in front of them, the army 971 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:43,960 behind them? And they were like, well, we 972 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,360 just rather go back to slavery because at least we're going to 973 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,160 live, you know? And then they had to write about 974 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,280 it and tell the story. Hey, here's what we did. 975 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,720 We we actually trusted and we walked across the sea and we end 976 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,360 up in the wilderness. And then we were mad at God 977 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,000 because, well, we had to wait on a man and we had to wait on 978 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,000 this. And then we didn't know what we 979 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,840 were going to do. And then, you know, and, and 980 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,120 there's all these stories of failure that we can read the 981 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:06,720 Bible. So when I get to the Book of 982 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,720 Revelation, I'm like, you know what? 983 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,960 I understand that we need to study it, we need to listen to 984 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,200 it, but it's not important to me. 985 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,760 And to for I think for a lot of people, they can't understand 986 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,360 why a pastor would say that. But I don't think it defines me. 987 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,120 Yes, it is something that is out there, but what defines me is 988 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,320 Jesus looked at that woman who've been bleeding for 12 989 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,080 years and noticed her like that's what defines me. 990 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,600 Or the, the lady that was called an adultery, you know, and Jesus 991 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,800 said those without sent out the first stone or the little boy 992 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,760 that brought the seven fish and the bread and changed the whole 993 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,880 world because he offered something and then all the 994 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520 sudden everybody said, Oh my gosh, this kid can lead. 995 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,160 What can I do? You know, that's what defines 996 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,920 me. So I, I like your question on 997 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,000 Revelation and sorry, I got a little passionate about it, but 998 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,800 people ask me about all the time and I'm just, it's not something 999 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:08,000 that I'm going to get upset or worked up or I'm not going to 1000 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,800 spend a whole lot of my life thinking about. 1001 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,280 And I know some people love it. Some people, they spend so much 1002 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,640 time studying it and they want to know every detail about all 1003 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,600 the little chords and about all the, the, the Dragons that are 1004 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,880 going to fly around and all the things are going to happen. 1005 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,360 And then I'm and to me, I'm like, what? 1006 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,080 For me, I'm not going to waste my energy on something that I 1007 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,720 don't think that I'm going to experience because I truly 1008 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,360 believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. 1009 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,720 And so for me, I believe in grace and I'm going to live that 1010 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,920 out. Not the hell on earth. 1011 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,680 Yeah, I don't know what you were asking, but that's what I got. 1012 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,160 No, that's, that's, I mean, it's, it is a hot button topic 1013 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,160 is revelation. So that's why I just want to dig 1014 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,120 your take on it because everyone's got their own take on 1015 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,800 it. And, and honestly, it for me can 1016 00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,840 be a little overwhelming when I read it and I, I almost feel 1017 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,760 like some anxiety reading it because I'm just like, Oh my 1018 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,360 gosh, I'm trying to understand this. 1019 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,440 And it's it's kind of hard to understand and try and breakdown 1020 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,600 and chew into little tiny bits. And it's just sometimes I just 1021 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,200 sometimes it's too much. I'm just like, I need to like 1022 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,200 take a, take a deep breath, yeah. 1023 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,040 And then read it again or whatever because it, it's, it's 1024 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,080 just interesting. I have read it, I have studied 1025 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,480 it. I probably will not again. 1026 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,000 Yeah. It's just not what I choose to 1027 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,600 do. Yeah. 1028 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,040 And I only have so much time in my earthly life. 1029 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,040 Yeah. I choose grace. 1030 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,920 Yeah. You know, and, and, and I have 1031 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,080 people that have left my church because of it. 1032 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,680 Of you not preaching revelation. Not preaching revelation. 1033 00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,840 Not preaching Hellfire damnation, not preaching a lot 1034 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,160 of sin. Like, at the end of the day, we 1035 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,520 are sinners. OK, Yeah. 1036 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,920 What is sin to you? I think sin is anything that 1037 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,200 separates us from God. So when I'm 16, when I was 16, 1038 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120 there was things that separated me from God that do not separate 1039 00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,440 me today. And therefore my sin has changed 1040 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,280 as I go through my life. And so for me, if we're going to 1041 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,440 pound and hound on that over and over and over every single 1042 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,240 Sunday, like I don't want to go to that church, right? 1043 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,240 Because to me, I want to recognize, OK, we're all sinners 1044 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,280 now. How are we going to move from 1045 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,120 there? How do we move into grace? 1046 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,640 How do we move into forgiveness? How do we move into growth to 1047 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,160 become disciples? And I know we're all in a 1048 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,640 different spiritual journey, but as a pastor, I choose not to 1049 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,360 dwell on that. And so like people have been 1050 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,440 throughout my ministry, have left my church as I've been a 1051 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,040 part of, because I didn't yell with him every Sunday. 1052 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,320 I didn't get on to them every Sunday about whatever they were 1053 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,240 going through or whatever. I thought the hot topic of the 1054 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:59,040 day was because as a, for me as a Christian, my sin looks 1055 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,840 different than your sin. And so how as a pastor, am I 1056 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,560 going to stand up there and just preach on a certain sin when 1057 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,320 that might not be what you're going through? 1058 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,880 So let's just recognize that we all mess up. 1059 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,400 We all are terrible at wanting to control things. 1060 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,680 We're all terrible at being coveting it, coveting, 1061 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,120 covetending. OK, you get my point, right? 1062 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,000 Other people's stuff, other people's lands, other whatever. 1063 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,800 Some people choose it in different ways, but we all are 1064 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,520 addicted to something. I mean, your drug of choice 1065 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,480 might not be cocaine, it might be social media. 1066 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,560 And somebody else's drug of choice might be food. 1067 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,800 Somebody else's drug of choice might be TB. 1068 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,720 But we're all addicted to something. 1069 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,360 So let's just recognize that we are addicted, OK? 1070 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,320 How do we break that? You know, how do we let the 1071 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,400 Bible teach us how to break that? 1072 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,080 And for me, like reading the book of Joshua was so powerful 1073 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,320 last week. I mean, I just read it over and 1074 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,600 over and over and over because, I mean, obviously I was going to 1075 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,480 preach on it, but I was so convicted from the Old Testament 1076 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,240 over the fact that I don't know if, and I still don't know the 1077 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,440 answer. And I preached on this if I'd be 1078 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,280 willing to do that. And so that was a hard thing for 1079 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,880 me. So many people say, well, you 1080 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,440 can't read, you can't learn from the Old Testament. 1081 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,160 Obviously you're not reading it. And some people will look at me 1082 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,480 and say we, because I say, you know, I really can't learn from 1083 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,160 the revelation. And they're probably like, well, 1084 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,920 you're not reading it right. And so, but it, it just doesn't, 1085 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,840 it doesn't get me or I don't get it either way. 1086 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,520 So I don't spend a lot of time on it. 1087 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,200 But for, for me, like last week, Oh man, Joshua just tore me up. 1088 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,840 Like it really did. I mean, I just, I couldn't get 1089 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,400 over it. And, and I, I mean, I'm telling 1090 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,280 you what I've been thinking about that for 14 days now, then 1091 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,760 walking around the city and I'm willing to do that. 1092 00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,520 And, and I still don't know that answer. 1093 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,720 And that, and that hurts me because I truly believe in Jesus 1094 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,160 Christ. I truly believe in God. 1095 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,880 It's not that I don't have the belief. 1096 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,440 It's I don't know if I have the willpower to stay consistent 1097 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,520 because that's what God told me to do, you know? 1098 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,240 But if you heard from God to do that. 1099 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,000 So again, I'm putting myself like questioning myself and I 1100 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,440 when I haven't heard from God to do that, I clearly heard from 1101 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,200 God to be a preacher. You know, I was sitting there at 1102 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,840 the altar and I heard an audible voice. 1103 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,960 You're going to be a preacher. And so for, you know, 26 years 1104 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,560 now, I've not wavered from that. So maybe you're right, maybe I'm 1105 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,240 maybe I don't have enough self esteem as they say. 1106 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,560 Yeah, well, maybe you've gone around, I mean, 26 years even. 1107 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,600 You've been walking around for 26 years. 1108 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:50,960 Look at you over there. Put it back on me. 1109 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,200 Mic drop No, I'm. Just kidding, mic drop on this 1110 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,280 one but. Yeah, no, we don't want any mic 1111 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,800 drops. But you're exactly right. 1112 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,280 Yeah, I have been walking around for 26 years. 1113 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,480 Perspective, right? And there's some Sundays that I 1114 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,760 get up and I'm like, do people really want to hear what I have 1115 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,720 to say? Like, is this really relevant to 1116 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,920 anybody's life? And I'm telling you those 1117 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,680 mornings that I have the most doubt of the mornings that I 1118 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,040 don't really want to go to church. 1119 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,560 I really don't want to deliver the message. 1120 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,040 Or the mornings of someone call me the next week and they're 1121 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,480 like, Oh my gosh, what you said is exactly what I needed. 1122 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,520 And I'm like, what, what did I say? 1123 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,200 I didn't hear anything. I said like, like, I wasn't at 1124 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,240 worship today. I might have been there, but I 1125 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,120 really wasn't there because I didn't want to be there. 1126 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,120 But I was my job and I knew I was supposed to be. 1127 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,000 And they'll call me. I mean, they're like, that was 1128 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,760 sermon was like spot on, exactly what I wanted to hear. 1129 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,960 And I'm like, OK, God, OK, I'll keep doing this, you know, but 1130 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,440 as a pastor, like there's times I don't want to be there 1131 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,440 because, you know, I don't feel like a lot of, I feel like I 1132 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,920 don't have anything to offer. I really do. 1133 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,680 And and maybe it's in those moments that I finally 1134 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:12,840 surrender. Yeah, because I need to not be 1135 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,360 in control. And when you're a pastor, you 1136 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,320 always have to be in control because you have to facilitate. 1137 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,160 You have to make sure it's done. You know, my preaching 1138 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,280 professor, he would say you got to use the Holy Spirit, but you 1139 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,160 got to give the Holy Spirit something to work with. 1140 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,560 And if you don't give the Holy Spirit something to work with, 1141 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,560 you're not doing what God's called you to do. 1142 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,280 And like I've heard a lot of people say, well, don't just get 1143 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,520 up here and preach. And I'm like, no, I'm not just 1144 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:42,760 going to get up there and preach. 1145 00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,400 Like I need to give the Holy Spirit something to work with, 1146 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,280 right? That's what God called me to be 1147 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,640 a pastor. God called me to deliver the 1148 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,040 word and God's going to give me the word. 1149 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,960 But sometimes I doubt that the people want to hear it. 1150 00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,720 But even on those days though, where you don't want to go. 1151 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,720 You're walking around Jericho because you're still getting up 1152 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,720 and you're still doing it. So you're still being faithful 1153 01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,120 even though you don't want to be there and you don't feel like 1154 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,120 doing it, but you still show up. So there you go. 1155 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,040 You are still walking around Jericho. 1156 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,080 It just looks different for you, if that helps. 1157 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,600 Yeah, it does help. And it does help. 1158 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,440 Yesterday I was working on a sermon for for the summer 1159 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,920 because I'm I'm always, I know what I'm going to preach on for 1160 01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:28,560 the rest of the year. Yeah. 1161 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,280 So I'm just. Constantly. 1162 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,560 I remember you saying that. Yeah, so I'm constantly like 1163 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,240 kind of looking ahead and, you know, thinking through things. 1164 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,640 And, and so I was, I was on the sermon I'm preaching. 1165 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,560 I think, gosh, it might be like September, but I was looking 1166 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,440 through it. Which is going to literally be 1167 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,360 here before we know it, by the way. 1168 01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,320 I know. But it was one of my favorite 1169 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,320 stories is the feeding of the 5000. 1170 01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,320 I was working. This is years and years ago, but 1171 01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,040 I was preaching this and I was getting ready for it and, and 1172 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,840 God, literally, I felt like God spoke to me and was like, I 1173 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,040 think that you're reading this wrong. 1174 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,800 And and so like I just kept reading it and I was like, in in 1175 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,240 my mind, I'm like, what am I reading wrong, right. 1176 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,600 And and so, so many times I've read that story as a miracle 1177 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,120 that he just like abundantly came like manna. 1178 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,040 And God said to me, what if it didn't just multiply? 1179 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:31,440 What if the people saw the little boy give a little child 1180 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,680 came and gave what it says in the Bible, a child shall lead 1181 01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,880 them. And then because they all saw 1182 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,960 Jesus take that, if they all didn't realize that that was 1183 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,520 their responsibility to give as well. 1184 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,560 And that's why there was so many leftovers. 1185 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,280 And I remember sitting there and it like blew my mind. 1186 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,080 Because wait, say that again. OK, so the little boy gave, 1187 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,760 Jesus received it. Everybody was clearly watching 1188 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,480 and because they all were saw this boy give what he had, then 1189 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:03,520 they all gave what they had. And because they everybody gave. 1190 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:08,360 That's why there was so many leftovers because as a kid I 1191 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,720 looked at it, Is it just like all of a sudden like magically 1192 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,600 appeared like Willy Wonka? Like that's kind of what I 1193 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,800 thought and it and it could have been. 1194 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,400 That's literally what could have happened. 1195 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,840 But in that moment, God said to me, he said, you need to teach 1196 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,880 the people that everybody has to give and when if everybody 1197 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,280 gives, we're going to feed the 5000. 1198 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,760 And so I've never preached that sermon differently. 1199 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,320 So I was working on it yesterday morning and I got it was like, 1200 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,080 it's like a re evaluation of what I'm going to be preaching 1201 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,160 on. And all of a sudden I heard that 1202 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,720 again, like it's not about the fact that because of course God 1203 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520 can just create manna. God can do. 1204 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,000 But at the end of the day, we have to learn that we have to 1205 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,480 give our part and, and, and, and that story has been so powerful 1206 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,040 to me ever since that moment, because I truly believe that 1207 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,280 people saw the little boy and they were led by that child. 1208 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,240 And then all of a sudden everybody said, I have something 1209 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:07,320 to give, you know, and what if we all did that in our whole 1210 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,640 life? Like we, we saw that we had 1211 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,720 something to offer just this morning on the way here, I, I 1212 01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,760 take, I mean, I'm gonna grab my phone and shit too, but I text 1213 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,040 my kids. Here's what I texted my kids. 1214 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:26,560 And Kelly, we're in this like little group chat and I said I 1215 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,240 hope that you 2 have an amazing day at school and every decision 1216 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,120 you make is a blessing to somebody else. 1217 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,200 Remember to be a leader and also try to bless somebody today. 1218 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,320 I love you all and I'm proud of you. 1219 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,120 Kelly, enjoy your hair appointment and have the best 1220 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,680 time with Jess and Matt because she's going to get a haircut or 1221 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,560 colored or something. But but I used to tell him that 1222 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,080 all the time and I hadn't told him that in a long time. 1223 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,240 But you know, it makes me think right now, like, like we can all 1224 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,800 be a blessing. No matter where we are, no 1225 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,720 matter who we're with, we have a chance to be a blessing. 1226 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,160 I was, I was talking to Kelly on the way here about coming to the 1227 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,800 podcast and I was like, she's like, what are you going to talk 1228 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:08,880 about? I was like, I have no idea. 1229 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,000 But I'm going to probably tell him some stories of church and 1230 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:12,840 she's like, what's 1 story you like you love? 1231 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,360 And I was like, oh man, I'm going to. 1232 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,000 I was like, I don't know. Did I tell you all about Jerry 1233 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,320 Flippin last time I was here? That doesn't sound familiar. 1234 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,000 I. Don't think so. 1235 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:21,840 You know, that's a problem with a preacher. 1236 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,240 There's 2 problems with preachers. 1237 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,040 We we don't know how to count. We always assume there's more 1238 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,760 people than there are, and we tell the same stories over and 1239 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,600 over and over because we assume somebody needs to hear it. 1240 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,880 Yeah, well, start talking about Jerry when you know, she told us 1241 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,320 was. This guy, he sat in front of me 1242 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,560 as a as a kid in church, OK, and. 1243 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,320 So wait, you were a kid? I was a kid. 1244 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,080 Oh, OK. All right. 1245 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,360 This wasn't somebody from your Congress. 1246 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,120 And he had this like awful toupee. 1247 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,280 OK, now he was a local logger in, in town and he was like 1248 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,280 really good at juries. Like he was really good at 1249 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,880 trials. And my great uncle, so my 1250 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,600 granddad's brother was a judge in town and they knew each other 1251 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,840 well, real well. So it's kind of funny, But so 1252 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,160 Jerry was like this charismatic guy and he sat in front of me at 1253 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,880 church and, and one Sunday he came and he was bald. 1254 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,000 And I remember I was just, I was just staring at him and I'm 1255 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,400 like, what happened to all his hair? 1256 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,960 I thought he had hair, you know, and as a kid you don't recognize 1257 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,200 somebody had a toupee. And it was halfway through 1258 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,240 church, he realized that he forgot his toupee and he never 1259 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,560 wore it again ever. Right. 1260 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,400 So, so, so as a kid he had like his full head of hair and then 1261 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,120 boom, he didn't have any hair. But Jerry's this kind of guy 1262 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,800 that like he whispered and then when you get to this point, he 1263 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,880 would get real close to your ear and he'd be like the green 1264 01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,160 water, you know, like whatever story he's telling. 1265 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,800 So I get called to ministry and, and he, he pulled me aside one 1266 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,640 day and he's like Lou, he's like, I want you to know this. 1267 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,320 He's like throughout your life, whenever you preach, you need to 1268 01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,360 tell him a story. And then he got real close to my 1269 01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,160 ear and he goes and if you tell him a story, they'll listen like 1270 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,320 that, you know, like, and Jerry, you know, he was wild. 1271 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,200 Like he late in life, he decided he wanted to go hike the 1272 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,600 Appalachian Trail and he like almost died because he didn't 1273 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,320 take enough water and food. And they, he would want to go 1274 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,960 kayak and he'd be like, Lou, you got to find the green water, you 1275 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,480 know, and I'm like, what's the green water? 1276 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,960 You know, I don't know what the green water is. 1277 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,520 Then all of a sudden one day I'm kayaking and it and it's when 1278 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,120 like 2 Rapids come together and there's that like little piece 1279 01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,880 in the middle and it looks green. 1280 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,000 Oh God, that's what he's talking about. 1281 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,160 You know, it's like, it's like this. 1282 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,640 He was trying, trying his best to like, teach me in his own 1283 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,760 way. But every Sunday that I ever 1284 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,440 preach, I think of Jerry Flippin. 1285 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,440 Tell him a story and they'll listen. 1286 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,000 Tell him a story and they'll get it. 1287 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,280 And, you know, I think about that. 1288 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,880 And I was telling Kelly that story on the way here. 1289 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,600 I was like. And it and it. 1290 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,400 Every Sunday I think of Jerry Flippin. 1291 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,320 Yeah, you, you have those people in your life that. 1292 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,000 Yeah. And. 1293 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,720 And and he's not alive anymore, but I I hope that he knew how 1294 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:57,920 much he meant. He meant to me. 1295 01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,760 Yeah, you know, and there. And there's all sorts of people 1296 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,760 like that, but Jerry's one of them. 1297 01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,560 You should get like a little toupee and just kind of put it 1298 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,240 somewhere, put it in one of the pews. 1299 01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,920 Maybe just be like my boy right there. 1300 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,480 My boy Jerry, I just wish I could talk like him, you know, 1301 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,400 he had that like Southern charm lawyer, but he had this. 1302 01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,360 He was a close talker, you know. Like proximity. 1303 01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:27,760 Oh, yeah, but, but, but he would get but when it wasn't always. 1304 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,880 But when he wanted to tell you a story, yeah, he'd get real close 1305 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,120 and he'd get right next to your ear, like. 1306 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,360 And I love that guy. Oh, man. 1307 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,240 And Jerry, he is awesome. Yeah. 1308 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,520 His wife was a St. She put up with him because you 1309 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:41,760 just never knew what he was going to do. 1310 01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,800 Oh, Jerry, he would take me on. He would take us on mission 1311 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,760 trips and like, he just never knew what he was going to say. 1312 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,920 And I mean, I think one time he was talking about the number 2 1313 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,040 pencil. Like, I wonder why there's a #2 1314 01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,280 he asked my buddy Matt. I wonder why there's a #2 pencil 1315 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:04,240 not #1 #3 why we choose a #2 You know, it's like 1 one of those 1316 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,240 guys. Like they would just, yeah. 1317 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,120 And, and you would hold on to stuff that he said. 1318 01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,400 And and even though he talked all the time, there was like 1319 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,200 those bits of information that you just held on like the green 1320 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,319 water. So that I'll never forget in my 1321 01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,840 entire life. Or tell him a story. 1322 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,880 I wonder who influenced him in some of that. 1323 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,960 There was probably somebody in his life that also told stories 1324 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,760 or like, you know, I don't know. And so that's interesting to 1325 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,840 think of when you have somebody that's that's impactful in your 1326 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,920 life, it's like, well, where did they get it from? 1327 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,439 Who is impactful for them? And then if, you know, if you're 1328 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,160 lucky enough to still know that person or if they're alive to 1329 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,240 ask him that and be like, gosh, who gave you this wisdom? 1330 01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,279 Or was it just, you know, you're just flying by the seat of your 1331 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:51,960 pants? Yeah. 1332 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,560 And, and it could have been like, you know, he's like, and 1333 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,040 you just don't know, like my grandfather once told me he's 1334 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,880 like, never trust somebody who wears suspenders and a belt. 1335 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,479 I told that to my dad once. And he's like, he told you what? 1336 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,680 And I was like, yeah, he I don't know why he told me. 1337 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,319 He's like, never trust somebody who wears suspenders and a belt. 1338 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,840 And my dad was like, Oh my God, have I ever wore suspenders and 1339 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,200 a belt at the same time? I don't know. 1340 01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:14,680 But I better take one of them off. 1341 01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,319 Like, if that's what my dad said. 1342 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,040 Interesting. And and and I've never forgotten 1343 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,560 that as long as I live. And I'm like, but why? 1344 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,720 You know what? What was he trying to get across 1345 01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:31,600 to me to to say that, you know? I mean, I think break suspenders 1346 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:32,800 and a belt back. I don't know. 1347 01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,720 I feel like that's a a lost. Yeah, but evidently you can't 1348 01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:37,520 trust somebody who does this. You can't. 1349 01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,800 Why 'cause the suspenders hold your pants up too? 1350 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,279 Yeah, yes, right. So it's like they cancel each 1351 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,319 other out. Maybe as an 8 year old he said 1352 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:45,640 something different. That's what I heard. 1353 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,960 You know, like. But you better believe I will 1354 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,520 never wear suspenders in a belt as long as I live. 1355 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,200 Yeah, 'cause my grandfather said so. 1356 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,640 Yeah. It reminds me, I I preached this 1357 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,840 sermon once and I don't know where I heard the story. 1358 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,960 You know, great thing about being or the great thing about 1359 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,160 me that I think anyway, Oh, look at me. 1360 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,800 I'm just tooted my own horn. Probably should stop that. 1361 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,600 But I have this ability to remember so much. 1362 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,640 Like it's not like I'm smart, but if I hear somebody tell a 1363 01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:19,760 story or something like it's just there, like, and it will be 1364 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,520 there forever. So I hear this story. 1365 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,400 One time in seminary, there was a Chapel. 1366 01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,600 This guy gets up and he's telling the story. 1367 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,320 He's like, he's like, this woman gets married and, and they're 1368 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,960 newlyweds and, and she's real excited about cooking. 1369 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,160 And so she goes and buys this big tenderloin. 1370 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,840 And, and so she's pumped up about it and she gets it all 1371 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,520 seasoned and ready to go. And right before she cooks it, 1372 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,880 she cuts it in half and she puts half in one tray and half in the 1373 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,840 other tray and, and they cook it. 1374 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,320 And at the end the husband says, you know, that was wonderful, 1375 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,720 but why did you cut it in half? And she's like, because that's 1376 01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,560 how you're supposed to do it. You have to cut it in half 1377 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,080 before you cook it. And so the, the husband just 1378 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:02,800 kind of holds on to that. And so the next time the 1379 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,120 mother's over, they're going to have roast again and, and she 1380 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,240 cuts it in half. And so the, the, the husband 1381 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,320 says again, he says to the mom, Hey, I know that you taught her 1382 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,120 how to cook, but why did you cut the roast in half? 1383 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,040 And she's like, because that's how you cook roast. 1384 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,080 You got to cut it in half. And so luckily the grandmother 1385 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,920 was alive. And so the next time the 1386 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,720 grandmother's there, they, the husband's still really intrigued 1387 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,240 and she goes, hey, so my wife cuts these in half. 1388 01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,440 My, my mother-in-law cuts them in half. 1389 01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,440 They said that you taught them to cut in half. 1390 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:35,040 And she goes, well, I never had to pay them big enough. 1391 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:40,240 And that's why I cut it in half. And the daughter and the mother 1392 01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,560 looked at each other and they were like, that's how we thought 1393 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,080 you had to do it because that's what you did. 1394 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,320 And she's like, no, I just haven't never had a Pam big 1395 01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:48,480 enough. Why would you ever cut that in 1396 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:49,360 half? That's kind of dumb. 1397 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,640 And and so he's telling the story and like, it was like one 1398 01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,920 of those stories that just grabbed me. 1399 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,600 Why do we do what we do that somebody told us? 1400 01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,680 Just like my grandfather. I don't know why you're not 1401 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,440 supposed to trust a man with a, a suspended and a belt, but 1402 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,160 that's what he told me. Now I wish that he was alive 1403 01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,400 today that I could ask why he said that. 1404 01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,560 But at the end of the day, like we hear so many things and and a 1405 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,160 lot of times we don't know why they they told us that, right? 1406 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:19,000 Just like Jared saying, you know, tell him a story, right? 1407 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,120 I don't know who told him that. I love it. 1408 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:25,240 I'll always hold on to it. But so I wonder what you do or I 1409 01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,080 wonder what I do. I wonder what Brian does, 1410 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,280 because somebody said that's how to do it. 1411 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,800 And then we realized that they did it out of necessity. 1412 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,520 Yeah, that's interesting. That's a that's a great story. 1413 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,040 And I feel like, I feel like I've heard some, you know, we've 1414 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,680 all, we've all lived stories like that too, where it's like 1415 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,520 don't don't do this or don't do that. 1416 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,880 And it's just very, I mean, some of it is true. 1417 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:53,200 You can't eat yellow snow, but I mean, you can. 1418 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,600 But you know, I don't, I don't really advise it, but it's just 1419 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,840 funny because now I'm just trying to rack my brain of 1420 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,080 little things. If there's any that I've been 1421 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,280 told to not do, I don't know. I know. 1422 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,000 I'm sure you've got some from your grandpa Reason for. 1423 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,040 The belt. Story. 1424 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,000 Oh my gosh, a reason for the belt story? 1425 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,880 What? Wait, Belton, hold on. 1426 01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:23,960 So the phrase never trust a man who wears both a belt and 1427 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:29,400 suspenders originates from a famous line in the 1968 film 1428 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,480 Once Upon a Time in the West, spoken by character Frank, 1429 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,840 played by Henry Fonda. And he said, quote, how can you 1430 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,440 trust a man who wears both belt and suspenders? 1431 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,880 The man can't even trust his own pants. 1432 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,080 Oh, keep going, OK. In the context of the film, 1433 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,760 wearing both is seen as a sign of insecurity or excessive 1434 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,160 caution, implying the man lacks confidence in his own 1435 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:58,040 reliability. In broader cultural and fashion 1436 01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,360 discussions, this trope is often interpreted to mean that someone 1437 01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,760 who relies on redundant support systems is overly cautious, 1438 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,840 insecure, or has something to hide. 1439 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,560 While some modern wearers use both for practical reasons, such 1440 01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,840 as using suspenders for back support and a belt to hold gear, 1441 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,960 the traditional adage suggests adage, adage, adage. 1442 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,160 It's OK, it's OK. I couldn't say Swiss cheese 1443 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,360 yesterday, so we're all good. It's all right. 1444 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:32,560 The traditional I like adage better suggests that needing 2 1445 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,280 methods to keep pants up indicates A fundamental lack of 1446 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:39,840 trust in one owns stability. So there you. 1447 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,440 Go hilarious. Hey, Jerry Causer, that's great. 1448 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,840 In his fond wisdom from a 1968 movie. 1449 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,560 Was he a big Henry Fonda there? Do you know what I don't know? 1450 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,560 Oh my gosh, that was good. Hey, good on you to look that 1451 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,880 up. Thank you, Brian. 1452 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,680 It. Was quite a dodge of you. 1453 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,280 My grandfather, he would, you know, he would so funny he 1454 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,120 brought that up because there's a lot of things I don't know 1455 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,880 about him, you know, because he was young when I died. 1456 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:14,760 But he would, he would smoke cigarettes and he would like try 1457 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,280 to hide them from his wife, my grandmother. 1458 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,760 And so he would come to my, my dad's office, which is like 45 1459 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,000 minutes away, every Tuesday. And he would pick me up from 1460 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,040 school and we would go eat lunch together and then he would 1461 01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,880 smoke. And it was always funny because 1462 01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,720 he would like think that my grandmother wouldn't know. 1463 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,120 But still to this day, if I order a grilled cheese, I put 1464 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,880 Pickles on it because he did. He loved, he would put dill cut 1465 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,320 like hamburger Pickles on his grilled cheese. 1466 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,760 Interesting. And so still to this day, that's 1467 01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,240 what I want to do. Is that going to be on the Smash 1468 01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:47,680 Meals menu anytime soon? No. 1469 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,720 Well, we don't really serve a bread, so it's kind of hot dog. 1470 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,520 Hard to have a. You could though you could do 1471 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,680 some gluten free. Bread, probably gluten free 1472 01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,000 bread is is it doesn't hold very. 1473 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,360 Well, it does not. It is definitely. 1474 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,240 It's a hard one. Yeah, and I've tried, I've, I've 1475 01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,880 baked a lot of different gluten free breads, but I cannot trust 1476 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,760 them. Like and I if I can't trust the 1477 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,440 food, I can't sell the food. And maybe it's the way I'm doing 1478 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:17,680 it. Of course, I've never went to 1479 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,680 school either. You know, everything I've 1480 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:24,040 learned on cooking, I've learned from myself or reading or 1481 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,600 watching YouTube or TikTok or yeah, like I, I love learning, 1482 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,640 but but I, I've never been able to serve a grilled cheese just 1483 01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,320 because I can't trust the bread because I want it to be good, 1484 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,560 you know? For sure. 1485 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,120 I mean, grilled cheese is like you don't mess with grilled 1486 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,360 cheese. It's got to taste a certain way. 1487 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:42,240 It's got to look. It's it's got to be good. 1488 01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:48,800 Yeah, I hear you. I thought of, I thought of a 1489 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:53,360 comparison like in something that my grandpa had told my dad 1490 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,800 and then my dad told me, but it actually works. 1491 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,160 So I'll tell you this one. You like learning. 1492 01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:03,520 My grandpa used to love gardening and he used to have a 1493 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,480 lot of roses, rose bushes, and we have rose bushes. 1494 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,040 And I was like, Dad, I don't want to take care of rose 1495 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,840 bushes. And he was like, well, what my 1496 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:18,320 dad used to do is you look at the where the flower is and if 1497 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,040 it's, you know, dead, whatever. And then there's a group of 1498 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,600 three leaves, three leaves, three however many. 1499 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,480 And then there's a group of five leaves. 1500 01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:30,200 And he said, if you cut that rose, if you trim it right above 1501 01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:33,840 the five leaves, that flower will grow back every single time 1502 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,360 and it'll be beautiful. The three leaves don't matter. 1503 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,760 You cut it right above the five. And I was like, why? 1504 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,080 And then my dad was like, I don't know, that's just what my, 1505 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,040 my dad used to do. And that's how he taught me when 1506 01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,520 I used to, you know, prune his bushes and stuff. 1507 01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,680 And it never failed. And so now for rose bushes, I do 1508 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,680 that. And yesterday I was just pruning 1509 01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,840 him and I was like looking, Oh, there's the five looking, 1510 01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,960 there's the five. And this the second time that 1511 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:01,120 I've pruned them this year already. 1512 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,720 And they're just like blooming and they're gorgeous. 1513 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,000 So it's really interesting. So next time you see a rose 1514 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,680 Bush, stop for a second and look and see if you can identify 1515 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,960 where the five leaves are and be like, oh, that's where I would 1516 01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:15,680 cut it. Isn't that a little interesting 1517 01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:17,200 factoid for you? There you go. 1518 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:18,360 Hold on. You learned. 1519 01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:20,760 Yeah. It's there. 1520 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:21,960 It is there. You. 1521 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:23,640 Want me to write it down? No, I don't need. 1522 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,080 To write it down. It's a story I like. 1523 01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,080 Don't give me any facts, just give me a story, OK? 1524 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,400 Well, hey you, maybe you can use that one of your sermons, I 1525 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,600 think I will, about how God needs to prune you. 1526 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,880 God does need a prune you. You you got to just let him take 1527 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,160 away those leaves of three the. Leaves of three. 1528 01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:43,600 And let him grow the leave of five. 1529 01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,560 If I'm if I'm a good preacher, I'm going to come up with like 1530 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:46,840 little names for the leaves of three. 1531 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,200 Yeah. And they could all rhyme. 1532 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:53,280 Yeah, magically. That'd be difficult. 1533 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:57,880 Yeah. Oh, man, that's funny. 1534 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:02,720 Yeah, I was, you know, my I, I think I told you this, my one of 1535 01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,160 my first jobs, I worked at a greenhouse when I was 12 years 1536 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:07,560 old. I don't think you told this 1537 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,240 there. I don't think you did right. 1538 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:12,360 I never heard about a greenhouse. 1st so when I was 1539 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:18,040 like 10, I wanted to work one summer and so my dad was like 1540 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,600 sure, like they're going to go roof this house and you carry 1541 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,040 shingles around. So I kind of do that. 1542 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,200 When I was 12 I went to work for Greenway Nursery. 1543 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,680 It's in Molan, Tennessee, and they have all these like 1544 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,000 greenhouses stuff and I carry plants out and water plants. 1545 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,840 And so I've always been kind of like destructive, not 1546 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,560 intentionally, I'm just destructive. 1547 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,800 I, it's just part of my nature. So they hired me. 1548 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,960 I'm 12 years old and I'm carrying these flowers out and 1549 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,960 I'm How did you? Get hired at 12 years old. 1550 01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:46,760 You know it was a mom. The 90s. 1551 01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,360 I mean, yeah, we're in the 90s. You get paid under the table. 1552 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,360 No, I mean not like they wrote me a little check. 1553 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,800 I mean wow, they paid tax. I made 3 bucks an hour. 1554 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,440 Wow, yeah, that's big time. That actually is a lot for you, 1555 01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,720 12. 12, yeah. Shoot. 1556 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,400 OK, continue. Yeah, you were. 1557 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:07,680 Rich so so we had a vacuum every night. 1558 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,920 And I I mean, like I learned so much, but one of the things I 1559 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,920 learned I was and I still to this day, I struggle with 1560 01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,600 something like destructive. I was vacuuming, you know, 1561 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,000 because, yeah, it would concrete and there was like flowers and 1562 01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,640 dirt everywhere. So we had a vacuum every night. 1563 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,720 You make the showroom look good. And I remember like pulling on 1564 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,000 the the hose and it was like stuck on something. 1565 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,520 I was like, I just pull a little harder. 1566 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,000 It shouldn't be a big deal. And it was wrapped around like a 1567 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,680 pipe and like I pulled it and broke the pipe and water 1568 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,480 shooting everywhere, you know, and, and you could just see the 1569 01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:36,520 owner like, Oh my God, why did I hire this kid? 1570 01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,560 And, and they let me keep coming back. 1571 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,160 Like one year they we were selling this place, sold 1572 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:42,600 fireworks and saw selling fireworks. 1573 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,280 And this lady brought her like prize tulips to go to a Tulip 1574 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,600 festival or something. And like she needed to drop them 1575 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,560 off, like to give them like shave because she had to go do 1576 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,720 something and I knocked them all off, broke all of her prize 1577 01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,440 tulips. One time this guy came comes by 1578 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,040 and he wants these. He owns a Ford dealership. 1579 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,480 His name's Steve Marsh. And he brings his brand new Ford 1580 01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:10,400 BA And he wanted some rocks put in the back of it and to go to 1581 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,120 the Ford dealership because they were having some drainage 1582 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,280 issues. And I'm like, why do you bring a 1583 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,240 brand new? But I mean, I guess he didn't 1584 01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:17,120 think. I don't know. 1585 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,520 And he called, he comes back and he goes, you dent in my truck. 1586 01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,440 And I was like, no, dad, I my, my, my. 1587 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,200 He tells my dad. He's like, he's telling me the 1588 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:26,040 story. He's like, you've been in my 1589 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,200 truck. And my dad was like, did you 1590 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,200 dent his truck? And I was like, no, no, he's 1591 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,640 like, yeah. He said you dropped them in 1592 01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,040 there. I was like, I put them down a 1593 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,480 little hard, you know, but I didn't drop them. 1594 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,080 Oh man, I I loved my life when I was a kid. 1595 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,720 I mean I worked at Greenway and till I was 16 and then. 1596 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,960 But do you and you sold fireworks there too or then they 1597 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:46,960 sold fireworks? We sold. 1598 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,520 Fireworks at 12. Oh yeah, fireworks, flowers, 1599 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,760 mulch. Just when I learned how to drive 1600 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:52,920 a. Box, but everything, yeah. 1601 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,160 When I was 13, I got to drive, learned how to drive the Bobcat, 1602 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,280 and that was big. Tom, you. 1603 01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:57,680 Know big time, yeah, you had those. 1604 01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,760 Did you get like a $0.25 raise at that point or are you still 1605 01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,360 rocking out the $3? I think I've got to go to 425, 1606 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,240 actually, because it was minimum wage. 1607 01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:07,280 Minimum wage went up to 425. Wow. 1608 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,520 Yeah. And then when I was 16, I was 1609 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,360 when I first started turning 16, I was driving like, like their 1610 01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,480 dump trucks, like, deliver, like, mulch and stuff. 1611 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:18,000 I mean, what in the world? Yeah. 1612 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,000 I don't know why they would trust me, but they did. 1613 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:21,680 Yeah. But I end up going to work at 1614 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,520 Sears in Mylan, and I love selling appliances. 1615 01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,560 And so the first day on the job at Sears, I can't let him tell 1616 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:33,560 the story. So my dad's like going to come 1617 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,280 by and see me. It's like my first day of the 1618 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,680 job, Sears. Of course. 1619 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,360 Wait, how old were you at this point, 16? 1620 01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:41,640 OK, so I'm learning about the washing machines and the dryers 1621 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,240 and the the lawn mowers and all the stuff that we sold. 1622 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,040 And my dad buys a range like a glass top is when glass top 1623 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,880 ranges first came out. And he's like excited, you know, 1624 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,480 and I made my first sale, you know, we need it. 1625 01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,120 Thank goodness. What my dad bought it, you know, 1626 01:22:56,240 --> 01:23:00,480 so I made my first sale. So I'm going to deliver it 1627 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,400 because I got to pay delivery fee too. 1628 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,040 So at the end of work, I put it in the back of my Ford Ranger. 1629 01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,280 Had a blue 1992 Ford Ranger. I love that thing. 1630 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,520 And so I closed the tailgate and I start driving home. 1631 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:15,960 I didn't think about tying it down. 1632 01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:17,840 You know why? It's your first delivery. 1633 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,400 Why would you tie it down? That doesn't make any sense. 1634 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,400 It's heavy. It's not going anywhere. 1635 01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,320 I mean, you know. Oh no. 1636 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,400 I turn around this curve and I go around this curve and I will 1637 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,120 never forget, look in my rearview mirror as a thing just 1638 01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,400 flies out and it hits a telephone pole. 1639 01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,720 So it's in the box. Now, how I was able to do this, 1640 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,400 I have no idea, but I went and I grabbed that thing and lifted it 1641 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,800 up and put it in my truck. Now we're talking about a heavy 1642 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,640 range and I'm 60. I had so much adrenaline, 1643 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,000 testosterone pumping, you know, and I put it and I get to my 1644 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,600 dad's and I'm like, hey, dad, there's a little bit of issue. 1645 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,960 And he goes, what do you mean? I was like, well, it fell out of 1646 01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,040 the way here, but I think it's going to be OK. 1647 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,960 And you know, you, you we and you just hear glass every time 1648 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,760 he, he's like, take a thing back and he's like, I'm not going to 1649 01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,040 take that. And he's like, it's, it's so I 1650 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:12,280 had to drive back to the store and I was like, so Gary, it felt 1651 01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,600 so I've got to keep my job somehow. 1652 01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,920 So like three or four months later, we take this big screen 1653 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,760 TV. Wait, did he get another one or 1654 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,160 did they like exchange it? OK, all right, all right. 1655 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:25,760 So it was OK. Yeah, he was fine. 1656 01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,800 All right. Thank God for insurance. 1657 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,040 I have no idea. I'm a ball. 1658 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,560 Scary told the insurance company. 1659 01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,120 But whatever he told them, it worked. 1660 01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:38,000 So a few months later, a buddy, Matt and I have to go deliver 1661 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,440 this big screen. You remember the big screen like 1662 01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:43,680 TV's that like Wade, they were like huge. 1663 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,640 They weren't like the flat. Are you talking about the ones 1664 01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,240 with like the, the speakers on the bottom that were like a foot 1665 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,000 wide and they were like a giant, giant wood box? 1666 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So somebody bought 1 and back 1667 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:57,160 then they had like the globes in the back and it would burn if 1668 01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:59,600 you left it on a channel for so long, it would burn like images 1669 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,120 in. And so they was under warranty. 1670 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:05,800 So we took this person's brand new TV and we swapped it out and 1671 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,640 we got the old one. We had to just bring it back. 1672 01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,240 I mean, it was, it wasn't any good, but I don't know what they 1673 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,240 were going to do with it. And so a buddy Matt was like, we 1674 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:14,760 need to tie it down. I'm like, no, dude, this thing 1675 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,280 is heavy. We're going to go slow. 1676 01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:20,160 We don't need to tie it down. And he's like, OK, you know, but 1677 01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,080 I think we should tie it down. I'm like, no, it's good, man. 1678 01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:23,920 Like this thing is not going anywhere. 1679 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,120 Was he an employee too or he was just OK? 1680 01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,640 So we're on the straight road and in Mackenzie, Tennessee, and 1681 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,600 there there's a railroad track that goes over the road and so 1682 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,160 it goes from 4 lane to two lane and under this railroad trestle. 1683 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,560 As we're in the middle of this Trussell, a semi truck coming 1684 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,320 the other way and the wind from the semi truck picks this thing 1685 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,800 up and slams it against the thing. 1686 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:54,800 And I was like, not again. And so I got we pick this TV up, 1687 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,160 we put in the back of my truck and we take it back and Gary's 1688 01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,120 not there. He's wherever Gary is. 1689 01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,120 I don't know. And Matt was doing Gary things, 1690 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:03,840 yeah. He's the owner. 1691 01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:05,240 He's like, you're going to have to tell him. 1692 01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:06,400 I'll be Matt. Matt was Matt was like, you're 1693 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,040 going to have to tell him. I'm like, no, no, you're going 1694 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,760 to tell him. He's like, no, you're going to 1695 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:14,880 tell him. So I called Gary and I said, 1696 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,280 Hey, Gary, how you doing? Are you having a good day, blah, 1697 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:18,920 blah. And he he's like, hey, Matt 1698 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:20,720 needs to tell you something. I put him on hold. 1699 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,200 I'm like, hey, Matt, Gary, he wants to talk to you. 1700 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,160 And so, so the funny Matt goes, oh man, what did, what did you 1701 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,040 need to say to me, Gary? And Gary was like, I don't know, 1702 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,200 lucid. You need to tell me something. 1703 01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,240 He's like, Nope, he's going to tell you. 1704 01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:38,360 I got so scared. So Gary again, insurance somehow 1705 01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:42,000 took care of it. I left the remote in my truck 1706 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:43,840 while we left the remote my truck. 1707 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,440 I have no idea. Well, the next day, our football 1708 01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:50,120 coach need a ride somewhere and he and he gets in my truck and 1709 01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,280 he's like, Lou, why do you have a remote? 1710 01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,400 And so I tell him the story and I don't think anything of it. 1711 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:56,640 You know, I'm just telling the story. 1712 01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,440 I'm embarrassed. Whatever he takes the remote. 1713 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,440 I don't even know he does this. He takes the remote out of the 1714 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,600 truck when he gets out and takes it with him. 1715 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,720 The next day we can get to school and there's Flyers 1716 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,160 made-up with this photocopy of this remote. 1717 01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,360 If you need ATV, contact Lou Causer. 1718 01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,120 And like, they're all over school. 1719 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:16,960 Then he gets on like our little news station. 1720 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,320 And it was like, now reporting from the highway, Lou Causer 1721 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:21,960 here, you know, and he's like making fun of me. 1722 01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,480 And I mean, I will never forget Coach Marsh. 1723 01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:25,880 I mean, he's, he's still alive and he's he's great. 1724 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,480 But I'm like, you know what in the world? 1725 01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:34,680 So words and what vice you know from experience tie everything 1726 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,640 down. Well, did you do deliveries 1727 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,040 anymore after this? I mean that was like 2 strikes. 1728 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,000 Yeah, yeah. But he just kept hiring me and I 1729 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,320 kept doing deliveries. I mean, I delivery, I did 1730 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,680 deliveries until I quit at 18 to go to college. 1731 01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,760 But I love that place. I love selling stuff. 1732 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,360 It's, I mean, I, I really do. It's I, I loved it when I went 1733 01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,480 to college. I, I still worked at Sears in 1734 01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:00,960 the store in Jackson and at 18, this is before I was pastor, I 1735 01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,560 was making 20 bucks an hour Commission. 1736 01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,280 And this is like in 1999. And I just, I love selling 1737 01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:09,680 stuff. I don't know what it is like, 1738 01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:14,080 you know, I think it's 'cause I, I feel like if I know something 1739 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,520 about you, then I can help. I want to help you. 1740 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,480 You know, like, like my mother, I love her to death, but 1741 01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:22,920 sometimes she drives me nuts because, you know, her whole, 1742 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,520 her whole existence is to help our family. 1743 01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,240 Like if she can teach us how to do something better, she's going 1744 01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:30,800 to do it. If she can teach us how to get a 1745 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,960 stain out, she's going to do it. If she's going to teach us how 1746 01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,360 to do it, fold a box better, fold a clothing better, 1747 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,000 whatever. And so I love her. 1748 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,200 But sometimes I'm like, mom, I know that, you know, I'm 44 1749 01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,600 years old. You don't have to tell me again. 1750 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,560 Like, you know, you go back to when you're a little child. 1751 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,480 But I think I think it's one of her traits I picked up. 1752 01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:49,840 It's like, I want to help people be better, you know? 1753 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,440 So I definitely picked that up from my mother. 1754 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:52,960 It's a good trait to have though. 1755 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:54,160 Just help. I know, I know. 1756 01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,400 You just got to balance it because if your mom tells you 1757 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,480 over and over, you're like, mom, Yeah. 1758 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,000 So you be careful. Yeah, I know. 1759 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:07,240 OK, control. Yeah, I'll try not to your first 1760 01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,680 job sound a lot funner than or more fun. 1761 01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,160 I should say not funner, although funner should be a word 1762 01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,280 I. Really like funner. 1763 01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,320 What is that noise? That was weird. 1764 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,120 Did you hear that? The heat's not coming on or 1765 01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,920 anything, is it? I worked at, I mean, you know, 1766 01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,960 the 90s once again. So things didn't matter. 1767 01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,320 I'm sure this place is still around. 1768 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:32,440 But there was a, there was a like a bed and breakfast that 1769 01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:38,040 was local in, you know, Minnetonka that would hire kids 1770 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,400 and just like, basically pay them under the table to work 1771 01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,080 weddings. So it wasn't like a consistent 1772 01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:46,160 thing. It's just when they needed more 1773 01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,240 bodies to help, you know, fold the napkins and get the, it was 1774 01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,600 like, so they would do the reception in outside and food 1775 01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:54,960 inside. And it was just like a nice 1776 01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,160 little wedding venue on the water. 1777 01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,400 And I'm remember one of my friends was like, I'm working 1778 01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,840 this, do you want to do it? And I was like, OK. 1779 01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,760 And I think I was 15 at the time. 1780 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:05,280 And I was like, yeah, sure, man, I'll do it. 1781 01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:09,160 And it was just like one wedding 1st and then I did a few more. 1782 01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:14,120 But I remember this is totally terrible is that I was the 1783 01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:21,320 oldest 15 and this wedding had wanted alcohol And they were 1784 01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,120 like, all right, well, Lee is the oldest. 1785 01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,640 So she, she's going to serve it. And I was like, I'm 15. 1786 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,880 I don't know anything. And they're like, it's just wine 1787 01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,200 and beer. Like people are just going to 1788 01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:35,440 point to what they want. And I was like, so I did, I 1789 01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:39,320 poured wine and gave people beer bottles and I was 15 and I was 1790 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,880 paid under the table. And I'm sure if the hell, if 1791 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,040 somebody would have shown up, they would have been like, what 1792 01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,680 the heck is this girl doing? 15 years old, Not supposed to do 1793 01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,280 that. But I worked a couple weddings 1794 01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:52,720 and then I worked, I got a job at a mulch shop too, which was 1795 01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,120 just, I know in other parts of the country mulch shop might 1796 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,640 mean something else, but it was literally malts, burgers, French 1797 01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,360 fries. I thought you were saying mulch. 1798 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,560 Malt. No MALT. 1799 01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,000 Yeah, like shakes Malts. And then my mom, I'm like, what 1800 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:07,440 are? They mulch A mulch shop. 1801 01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:08,840 OK, OK. I mean malt. 1802 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,840 OK, OK. And it was so I remember, I 1803 01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:14,440 remember walking in, I remember the way that it smells. 1804 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:16,920 It was called Snuffy's Malt Shop. 1805 01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:19,960 And it's still I, I don't know if it's still in Minnetonka, but 1806 01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,240 I got a job there and I was like, I was so overwhelmed and 1807 01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,040 like nervous going to work for the first time, like taking 1808 01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:29,000 people's orders and like bringing them like milkshakes 1809 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,800 and stuff, you know, at 16, like that's, that's scary to do that. 1810 01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:35,600 And I only worked there for a few weeks because like, I was 1811 01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:36,960 just like, I don't, I can't do this. 1812 01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,840 This is too much with like school and everything. 1813 01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,880 And I was just like, I want to go back to that bed and 1814 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,040 breakfast. It was easy. 1815 01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,760 It was like a Saturday. I was done. 1816 01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:49,080 But it's just so funny to to start the workforce and like to 1817 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,920 start working and getting that responsibility and like trying 1818 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:54,640 to learn how to do that and navigate. 1819 01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,600 And I think everybody should at least be in the service industry 1820 01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,000 once that they understand, like how difficult it is because it's 1821 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,840 not easy at all. And I mean, you know, I worked 1822 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,400 through college, I did some waiting tables. 1823 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,560 I worked at a seafood restaurant and I don't like seafood. 1824 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,440 So that was that was a weird one for me. 1825 01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,000 I'll eat sushi, which is also kind of weird. 1826 01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,080 Yeah, so you don't like seafood, but you like that raw fish? 1827 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,440 I know it depends on how the seafood's prepared though too. 1828 01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,440 Daisy, we eat sushi a lot and she's like, don't ever serve me 1829 01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:28,160 cooked fish. If it ain't raw, I ain't eating 1830 01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,760 it. Yeah, well, we'll do like tuna 1831 01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,320 steaks. That's one thing we'll do here 1832 01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:34,840 and there. But I don't, I don't know, I 1833 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,480 maybe Brian loves seafood. Not as much, you know, as you 1834 01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,160 should for grown up in the ocean. 1835 01:32:43,400 --> 01:32:45,440 Brian will eat all of it raw, all of it all the time. 1836 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,840 He'll, he'll grab that salmon, all that stuff, and I. 1837 01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,960 Just can't I, I, I'm sure that whatever I did was unhealthy, 1838 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,040 but I was in Alaska once with my buddy Bruce. 1839 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,960 We his brother died. He lived in Hawaii and until the 1840 01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,320 they went up to Alaska a lot because from Hawaii to Alaska is 1841 01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,240 real close. So every summer they would go 1842 01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,280 fishing and salmon fishing up there. 1843 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,400 And so his brother died, and so they were going to have the 1844 01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:11,640 funeral on the ocean. And so it's Bruce's pastor. 1845 01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,480 He's like, hey, come with me. So we go to Alaska and we're 1846 01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:19,240 salmon fishing and I like sushi. So we catch our first salmon and 1847 01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,400 I'm like, I'm just going to eat it right now. 1848 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,640 So, you know, I just cut that sushi off, like, I mean, right 1849 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,360 out of the water and cut it and started to just just eat. 1850 01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,080 I mean, it was the best sushi. I mean, the best just shoot me, 1851 01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,680 I guess is what I don't know raw fish had ever had in my life. 1852 01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,320 And then I thought, I wonder if that was actually safe, and I 1853 01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,800 still don't know the answer, but I sure did enjoy it. 1854 01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,280 Well, yeah, I mean, you're here. You don't have any. 1855 01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,320 You didn't start immediately vomiting or anything like that. 1856 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,080 That was that was the wildest funeral I've ever done. 1857 01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,760 We was all his buddies showed up and. 1858 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,160 We was it on the water? Was it like? 1859 01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:59,320 Literally on the water. So they, they took his ashes and 1860 01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,080 they called him the Torpedo because he drove the boats too 1861 01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,920 fast. And so they wrapped his, they 1862 01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,480 bought, they bought these shirts, these Torpedo shirts 1863 01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:10,960 like it's, it's like a, a Mario character, like the Torpedo. 1864 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,320 You know that like that, that blew things up anyway, so they 1865 01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,960 put his ashes inside the shirt inside a case of beer. 1866 01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,440 And like all the boats were around. 1867 01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:23,720 We were fishing. We stopped fishing and we, we, I 1868 01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:27,560 said some words, each potion spoke about him and then they 1869 01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,880 dropped it right there in the ocean, like his ashes with, with 1870 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,480 his shirt and his favorite beer. Nice. 1871 01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:39,400 And I mean, I, you know, I never done a funeral like that, But as 1872 01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,720 soon as you start talking about raw fish, that's, that's, that's 1873 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,960 immediately where my mom went. Alaska. 1874 01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:46,280 Salmon fishing? Yeah. 1875 01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:49,720 At a funeral, yeah. Yeah, very, very all random 1876 01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,920 things. All random things, yes. 1877 01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:53,840 But that's a, that's really cool. 1878 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:55,680 We've off. We actually have Riley's ashes. 1879 01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,600 We thought about, Oh yeah, we move this closer. 1880 01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,640 We thought about putting her in the ocean at some point. 1881 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,400 Brian might be going to Australia here in a few months. 1882 01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:09,960 And so I even said, well, you should take Riley's ashes there. 1883 01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:11,760 And he's like, well, she's never been there. 1884 01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,640 And I was like, I know, but like, if you're going to stink 1885 01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:15,840 and. Do you want to be? 1886 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,240 Go something. Put something in the ocean right 1887 01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,640 there, like. Yeah, but you won't be there. 1888 01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,680 I think y'all should go together. 1889 01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,160 I know. So. 1890 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,600 So when you die, do you want to be cremated or buried? 1891 01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,560 Oh, I don't care. Well, no, you need to tell 1892 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:30,800 people. I don't want to be buried. 1893 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,600 I think that's a waste personally for me. 1894 01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,800 OK, we'll make it known. Yeah, I think. 1895 01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:37,280 I think we've talked about that, right. 1896 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,920 So yeah, we've talked about it. I want to be cremated, and 1897 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,960 there's a lake in Minnesota that I want to be spread at. 1898 01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,720 Which one? It's called Ash Dick. 1899 01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,000 OK. It's in the Boundary Waters and 1900 01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,840 it's this little bitty lake. So you have to go through lake, 1901 01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,120 I think I call it Saganaga. I don't know how people from 1902 01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:02,240 Minnesota say it, but anyway, it's on the Boundary Waters. 1903 01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,720 And so you go through Saganaga, then you go into Swamp Lake and 1904 01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,880 then it's about 1/4 of a mile walk to Ashdeck. 1905 01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,440 And Ashdeck's this long skinny lake. 1906 01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:15,160 And it's where I've caught the most fish I ever caught in my 1907 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:18,600 entire life. And I just I love that place and 1908 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,760 I've told everybody my family, like that's where I want to be. 1909 01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,640 You know, my son's the only one in in my family that's ever been 1910 01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:29,360 there. But but like I I have made that 1911 01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:34,920 well known, like when I die, cremate me, take me to ash 1912 01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:39,440 stick, you know, and so we're getting shirts this year for our 1913 01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:41,320 boundary water. I go up there every year and. 1914 01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:43,680 That's right, that's right. You do a boundary water trip. 1915 01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,760 We get we my buddies making us shirts this year and on the back 1916 01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,280 of the shirt it has the map and ash Dicks on there so I can 1917 01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,920 bring that shirt back. I can circle it and be like Yep, 1918 01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,280 yes, right here. So have you been on Lake 1919 01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,680 Minnetonka them before? No. 1920 01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:59,320 Oh. Oh, OK No. 1921 01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,120 Have you been a? 1000 lakes and I've only been on 1922 01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:01,880 a few. Of them, yeah. 1923 01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,320 Have you been up to Lake Superior or any of those? 1924 01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,080 Oh yeah, Lake Superior is like it's. 1925 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,680 Amazing, yeah. It's beautiful. 1926 01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:09,880 Have you been to the Boundary Waters? 1927 01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:12,360 What all lakes have you been on the on the Boundary Waters I. 1928 01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,360 Don't remember, OK, it's been so long. 1929 01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,400 Did. You did you come in from Grand 1930 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,720 Marais or did you come in from Ely? 1931 01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:21,080 Oh, Ely, OK. Yeah, we used to go up to Ely 1932 01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:22,440 all the time. So you probably went to Bachelor 1933 01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:25,720 Lake, so maybe OK. Because you're. 1934 01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:27,400 Like I don't remember the name. Multiple entrances in the 1935 01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,080 Boundary Waters. Yeah, so I've been to both 1936 01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:32,280 entrances, but I haven't been to that many lakes. 1937 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,480 I mean, we're, we're, we're more of a, you know, there's some 1938 01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:37,000 people that go to the boundary Waters and they're like 1939 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,200 minimalist. They carry just enough to 1940 01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:43,840 survive to make their trip. No, we carry everything that 1941 01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:48,600 humanly possible and we tie our canoes together to make like 1942 01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:52,160 pontoons so we can take more stuff like. 1943 01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,080 How many of you go? Well, there's ten of us. 1944 01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:57,840 Oh, OK. And legally there's only 9 so. 1945 01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:01,360 Oh, there's nine. Got you the boundary. 1946 01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,480 Waters, the Boundary Waters, you can only have nine in a group. 1947 01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:07,240 So eight of us go in a group and two of us go in another group 1948 01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:11,400 and eventually we say hello to the other two, you know, at some 1949 01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,520 points. But anyway, so we take up there 1950 01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,640 because we base camp. So we go as far as we can go in 1951 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,960 the Boundary Waters and we base camp and we stay at this place 1952 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:21,880 this every year and we go out from there. 1953 01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:29,360 But we carry like a smoker, like we carry, we carry hammocks, but 1954 01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:34,400 we carry huge kitchen tents, like steaks, all sorts. 1955 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,720 I mean, like, literally, we're like kings out there. 1956 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,400 And there's no electricity there. 1957 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:42,600 There's no signs anywhere. And we're out there every night 1958 01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,040 grilling like lobster. And I mean, it's the best. 1959 01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:47,640 It's the best. I mean, I love it. 1960 01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,760 It is, I mean, something I look forward to every year. 1961 01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,240 Do you encounter a lot of people when you're? 1962 01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,800 We try not to, that's our goal, but we do see people. 1963 01:38:56,040 --> 01:38:59,040 But I mean, you know, Boundary Waters is so big, it's 3,000,000 1964 01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,440 acres, which you know, the Great Smoky Mountains is only 1965 01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:03,680 1,000,000. And, and Brian, you might want 1966 01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,640 to Fact Check me on that. That would be a good Fact Check 1967 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,760 because I heard it once said it was 3,000,000 acres. 1968 01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,880 And I think that might be including Banff or not Banff 1969 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,120 Quiddico, which is the Canadian side. 1970 01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,880 But imagine this, it's like 3 times the size of the Great 1971 01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,200 Smoky Mountains. And so when you get out there, 1972 01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,280 like there's obviously people traveling through, but like one 1973 01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,240 year we didn't see another person for seven days, which is 1974 01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,200 incredible. You know, you're just out there 1975 01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:32,520 like doing your thing. Like I mean, every night we get 1976 01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,160 in from fishing, I strip down butt neck and I get in the water 1977 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:39,200 and I go swim and I, you know, bathe and then come up and dry 1978 01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:42,040 off and, you know, make dinner for everybody because obviously 1979 01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:43,640 I'm a cook. If you didn't know that, I'll 1980 01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:44,640 work for. Smash me. 1981 01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,360 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I love. 1982 01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,080 Oh, hold on. Let me quick have this peanut 1983 01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,600 butter ball that you made for me. 1984 01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,600 Oh, they're delicious by. The way in the last three years 1985 01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:54,920 I've sold 18,000 of those. Oh my gosh, really? 1986 01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:55,920 A. Little crazy to think about? 1987 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:57,840 Well. Because peanut butter. 1988 01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:58,960 Who doesn't love peanut butter chocolate? 1989 01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:01,640 It's. Actually, just over. 1,000,000 1990 01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,800 to 1.1 million acres. Is that the boundary waters and 1991 01:40:06,440 --> 01:40:07,880 Quedico or just the boundary waters? 1992 01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,920 That's just the boundary waters. Will you look up add it to 1993 01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:14,880 Quedico as well? I've. 1994 01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,040 Always told people 3,000,000 acres because that's what I was 1995 01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:19,720 told. There we go, I. 1996 01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,160 Don't know if that was true. You know that you trust so much 1997 01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:24,800 knowledge. Information I know, I know which 1998 01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,400 which is weird and we we do that even when we see something on 1999 01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,680 the Internet, but that also gets us into trouble because. 2000 01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,520 Abraham Lincoln says you can't trust anything. 2001 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,720 Yeah, yeah. You know, I heard him say it 2002 01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,800 once. I I remember. 2003 01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:41,640 So we growing up, we had friends that that had, they were like 2004 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,440 our friends, grandparents. I had a house in Ely and so we 2005 01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:47,520 used to go up there and I remember seeing my first Leech 2006 01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:52,360 on one of my friends got out of the water and I was like, oh, 2007 01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,000 gross. And then his, it was hilarious 2008 01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,640 because his dad was like, oh, that's no biggie. 2009 01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,320 And his dad took out his pocket knife and went and. 2010 01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,680 Then he probably put it on the hook and threw it in. 2011 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,240 And then he was like, it's confession, but it was just two 2012 01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,000 million with including the Canadian side. 2013 01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,480 OK, so I want to just take a moment and publicly apologize to 2014 01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:14,000 anybody that I've told. It was 3,000,000 acres done. 2015 01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,240 Please forgive me. Will you also look up how big 2016 01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,600 the Great Smoky Mountains is? Because I've always been told it 2017 01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,520 was a. That's going to be 3 and then 2018 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,520 you know I'm. Afraid it would be like hold 2019 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:28,360 your hand up, say I have lied. I am sorry. 2020 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,320 So you saw a Leech and and those are weird. 2021 01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:32,760 Yeah, because they just attacked. 2022 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,680 They were like, they were like Rocky sized Lee or not rainbow 2023 01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,640 like rainbow sized leeches. Remember when he's got got him 2024 01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:44,000 when he's tortured? What, half a million? 2025 01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,720 All right, so it's bigger. So, Long story short, whole lot 2026 01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:49,280 bigger. To people, OK. 2027 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:50,840 It's OK. It's all right now, you know, 2028 01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:52,640 you were today years old when you found out. 2029 01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,120 Great Smoky Mountains, half a million Boundary Waters. 2030 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,280 Oh, now Brian's holding on information on us. 2031 01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:03,040 Yeah. All right. 2032 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,840 Well, he's looking at that. Tell us like, you know how like 2033 01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:10,520 like we need like a Fact Check now, Brian with fact checks. 2034 01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:16,120 Well, it's funny, I was last week or so as we had our friend 2035 01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,160 Michael Mabry on the podcast and I was talking about the new 2036 01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,560 Charlie Kirk book and we have it. 2037 01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,960 And then I got the name wrong. And then when we got home, Brian 2038 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,480 was like, oh Dang it. We got the name wrong of the new 2039 01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:30,040 Charlie Kirk book. And I was like it. 2040 01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,400 And then I was like, well, when I talk about it, you can just do 2041 01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:36,000 an asterisk at the bottom saying like the correct name of the 2042 01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:38,120 book because I mean, you know it. 2043 01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:39,680 But it is. I think it's stop in the name of 2044 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,200 God is that that's the name of it. 2045 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,800 Yeah. It's all about how to honor the 2046 01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,960 Sabbath and how to truly like how your life will be better, 2047 01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:51,640 which I know that's incredibly difficult for a pastor because 2048 01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,720 you like, well, you can't really. 2049 01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:55,760 I mean, because you are working. I. 2050 01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,840 Know, but we should still create a Sabbath and that's and I don't 2051 01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,400 do that. So why don't you go ahead and 2052 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:03,680 keep talking so I can feel guilty? 2053 01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:09,920 Yeah, what 500,000? OK, but wait, how did it so 2054 01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,080 this? Area includes Great Nashville, 2055 01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:17,280 Great Smoky Mountains National Park which covers about. 522,419 2056 01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,840 five 22427 OK. OK, so, so the Great Smoky 2057 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,760 Mountains is about 500,000 acres and the Boundary Waters plus 2058 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,400 Quedico is about 2,000,000 acres. 2059 01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:31,880 So for people who've been to the and we'll get back to the other. 2060 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:36,920 But that's what's amazing to me is how big the Boundary Waters 2061 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,880 in Quetico is. It's ginormous because I think 2062 01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:45,160 the Great Smoky Mountains is ginormous, and it's not even 2063 01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:49,640 half the size, you know? So when you go out there, you're 2064 01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:54,320 literally by yourself, which is amazing. 2065 01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,520 Yeah, yeah. How big is Lake Superior? 2066 01:43:56,520 --> 01:44:00,320 While you're looking to. Because, like, growing up. 2067 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,680 Growing up. Oh, you want me to look it up? 2068 01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,120 Growing up in. See, here we go. 2069 01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,080 No, I'm just reading what I had there. 2070 01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:12,360 Shoot. Oh, I thought you wanted me to 2071 01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:13,960 look it up. Well, I already here. 2072 01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:15,920 Hold on. The Great Smoky Mountains as a 2073 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,120 whole beyond just the National Park, encompasses approximately 2074 01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:23,880 187,000 acres of old growth forest and form a sub range of 2075 01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:26,280 the Appalachian Mountains along the Tennessee, North Carolina 2076 01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,320 border. The area includes the Great 2077 01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:33,800 Smoky Mountain National National Park, which covers 522,419 to 2078 01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:38,320 500 and 22427 acres, making the total mountain range significant 2079 01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:41,240 significantly larger when and including the surrounding and 2080 01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:47,880 protected forested lands. That's, I mean, regardless, both 2081 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:49,200 are big. Yeah. 2082 01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:54,640 But this, the Boundary Waters and Quedico is so much bigger. 2083 01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:58,040 Well, that sounds like a really fun and you it's just a guy's 2084 01:44:58,040 --> 01:44:58,840 trip, right? Yeah. 2085 01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:00,480 I've tried to get my daughter to go. 2086 01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:03,200 It is a man's trip, like, yeah, all dudes. 2087 01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,320 And I've. I want to take my daughter up 2088 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:05,880 there. Yeah. 2089 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,600 I want her to stay even if she doesn't go on that trip. 2090 01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,280 Like I've begged her and I and I will beg her until the day I die 2091 01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:15,000 to go up there with me 'cause I want her to just see what I see. 2092 01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:16,640 Yeah. Like, beautiful. 2093 01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:18,640 Did you have you watched the new TV show? 2094 01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:26,160 Is that my phone? OK, so have you seen the new TV 2095 01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:29,960 show Madison? OK, so Madison's on Netflix. 2096 01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,280 I think it's Taylor Sheraton, the same guy that wrote 2097 01:45:32,440 --> 01:45:33,360 Yellowstone. OK. 2098 01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:38,640 So it's his God in his family. He dies and his family goes back 2099 01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,000 to where he fishes. And he had begged his family for 2100 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:45,720 years to go and just experience what he's experiencing. 2101 01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,840 And so the whole first season is about them experiencing what he 2102 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,560 loved and he went and did every year. 2103 01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:55,560 And like, I watched that show and I was emotional. 2104 01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,720 I cried during every episode because I can I connect. 2105 01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:07,000 Like there is something about being up there and just 2106 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:11,440 experiencing like, OK, so it's not. 2107 01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:13,200 My phone so weird. OK, all right. 2108 01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,720 Well, that makes me feel bad. Oh, it's a ballast going out. 2109 01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,960 OK, Do you need to get the ladder? 2110 01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,560 We can keep talking. Yeah. 2111 01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:24,320 Oh, you have to shut the whole power off. 2112 01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:28,280 That ballast is going bad. OK, all right, back to our 2113 01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:29,680 regular plans. Yeah, anyway. 2114 01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,400 So that was planned. Yeah, so in the mood in the TV 2115 01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,520 show the Madison, they're up there experiencing this life 2116 01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:41,480 that this guy wrote about and and why he went up there. 2117 01:46:41,480 --> 01:46:43,960 And the wife never went. He begged her to go. 2118 01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,720 And now she's like falling in love with this place because 2119 01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,400 she's he's she starts seeing it through his eyes. 2120 01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:53,880 And the whole show is about her seeing what he saw. 2121 01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:58,720 So when I talk about the Boundary Waters, again, most 2122 01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:00,680 people in this world have no idea what I'm talking about. 2123 01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:05,240 And until you go, no matter how many stories I tell you about 2124 01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,680 the Boundary Waters, you can't even fathom what I experienced. 2125 01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:15,720 And so when I was taken 16 years ago by this man, like I took 2126 01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,280 swim shorts like twin trunks because I thought we were going 2127 01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,640 to the lake and we were going to fish and swim. 2128 01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:24,080 And then I get up there and it's 30° and I'm like, you're a fool. 2129 01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:25,440 Like, why didn't somebody tell me? 2130 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,720 He didn't even think about telling me that it was going to 2131 01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:28,920 be cold. And I wasn't smart enough to 2132 01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:32,240 look at Weather Channel, right? You know, But I, I've been going 2133 01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:35,680 every year and I, and I, when I take people, they're either 2134 01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,280 going to love it or they're going to hate it because you're 2135 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:39,360 completely disconnected. There's no Internet, there's no 2136 01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:43,160 cell phones, there's no electricity, there's nothing. 2137 01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,080 And so you wake up when the sun comes up and you go to bed when 2138 01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:52,280 the sun goes down and you just get to experience life. 2139 01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:57,880 And for me, it's like my whole, everything about me resets and I 2140 01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:02,560 come back happier. I come back whole, I come back 2141 01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:07,280 like my soul's been fed. I come back full of energy that 2142 01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:10,080 has been taken away from me from all the things that we have to 2143 01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:14,040 do in the world. And, and, and, and I want 2144 01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,000 everybody to experience that. So like, I cannot, I really want 2145 01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,720 my daughter to go one day. And she keeps telling me now. 2146 01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:20,360 So my son goes with me every year. 2147 01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:24,400 He's been going since he was 10, and he gets it, you know? 2148 01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,480 And so I'm hoping one day, like I can take her up there, even if 2149 01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:29,840 it's just a short trip, you know, because I want her to see, 2150 01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:31,800 I want her to see Ashtick, you know? 2151 01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:33,920 But why doesn't she want to go? Because it's. 2152 01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:37,080 She's not ready. Yeah, she equates it with 2153 01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:41,600 something that LB and I do are man tripping plus telling 2154 01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,480 somebody, hey, yeah, we're going to go in the middle of the 2155 01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:50,040 wilderness with nothing. No, like, you know, and you, you 2156 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:54,320 poop in a little hole, you know, and, and so like, that's a hard 2157 01:48:54,320 --> 01:49:00,880 concept for her, you know, But I think in life, often times 2158 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,720 people, it goes back to telling our story. 2159 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:08,480 Like we can tell our stories a lot and, and it does help, but 2160 01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:10,200 we don't always understand the fullness of what they 2161 01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:13,480 experience. Just like in the Bible, we can 2162 01:49:13,480 --> 01:49:15,920 read what they went through, but we weren't there. 2163 01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:19,680 We can't fully appreciate all that they went through. 2164 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,000 Like for me, the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus is getting 2165 01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,360 ready to die for us and the disciples keep falling asleep. 2166 01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:31,280 We can't comprehend that because we weren't there. 2167 01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,120 We can read about it. We can try to put ourselves 2168 01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:37,440 there, but until you're actually in that moment, you're, you're a 2169 01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,400 a, you don't fully grasp what was happening. 2170 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:46,400 And but it doesn't stop me from telling the story, you know, it 2171 01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,480 doesn't stop me from telling people how amazing it is. 2172 01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:52,080 It doesn't stop me from wanting everybody to experience it. 2173 01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:54,200 And it's just like grace, you know? 2174 01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:57,160 Like, like I know what forgiveness feels like. 2175 01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,160 And so I want to tell people about that every single day. 2176 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,000 You know, I want everybody in the world to be blessed and feel 2177 01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,840 grace and forgiveness. And I understand that not 2178 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,720 everybody feels that. Some people hold on to guilt. 2179 01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,920 Some people hold on to past hurts or traumas. 2180 01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,480 Some people hold on to what has happened to them or they don't 2181 01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:17,760 know how to release it. And I want to, I want that for 2182 01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,160 everybody because I felt what it's like to hold on to things 2183 01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:24,160 and I felt what it's like to release those. 2184 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:26,720 And for me as a pastor, that's what I want. 2185 01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,720 I want people to experience grace. 2186 01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:33,480 I want just like as a, as a dad, I want Daisy to experience the 2187 01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:37,840 Boundary Waters, you know, I want everybody to, you know, So 2188 01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:42,320 I'm glad that you have. Well, and the one thing as I've 2189 01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,600 gotten older and read the Bible, things about the disciples that 2190 01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:51,680 I absolutely love are the fact that we're given continual 2191 01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:56,120 examples of how they do an awesome job and then they fail 2192 01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,560 and then they do an awesome job and then they fail. 2193 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,960 And when not even just the disciples, everybody right? 2194 01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,120 I mean, you talked about Moses, the Red Sea. 2195 01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:10,520 They cross like it was like they literally blink and then all of 2196 01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:13,360 a sudden they have their they got their fatted calves, like 2197 01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,480 the golden, like everything. And it's just like, dude, guys, 2198 01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:18,880 it was you just walk through that water. 2199 01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,440 What the heck are you doing? So it's just like, it's all of 2200 01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:24,560 these triumphant stories that as you're younger, you know, I 2201 01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,960 think that when you're young and you hear all the Bible stories, 2202 01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:34,400 I, I almost think that it's too we, we kidify it too much for 2203 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:39,720 kids and we don't like, I mean, I Daniel and the lion's den. 2204 01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:42,160 Some of the stories aren't very kid because you know, me, 2205 01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:48,560 obviously, like lions, Daniel, But I think that we we hold back 2206 01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:54,000 some of that stuff from our kids because we control and we don't 2207 01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:58,360 want them to, you know, learn maybe some parts of the story or 2208 01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:01,400 some things or we want to pick and choose, you know, parts of 2209 01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:03,800 the Bible that we're going to teach them or things like that. 2210 01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:07,600 And it's like, wait a minute, like there's not an age limit on 2211 01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,880 the Bible. And I know that we have to say 2212 01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:12,240 things for kids to understand a little bit differently, but I 2213 01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:14,520 don't, I don't think we give kids enough credit actually, 2214 01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:18,200 especially when it comes to faith and God. 2215 01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,600 And some of these stories because of the way that they 2216 01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:24,400 approach their life and the way that they trust, you know, like 2217 01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:29,080 they trust us and the way that we need to trust God because no 2218 01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:31,960 matter what to those kids, they get up, they have. 2219 01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:35,280 And I think pastor was Pastor Jeff talking about that this was 2220 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:36,600 it this past Sunday or last Sunday. 2221 01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:41,880 You said that like when your kids get up, they know that 2222 01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:44,880 you're going to have food right there or they know that like 2223 01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:46,760 they're going to have some clothes to wear. 2224 01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:50,040 They know they just wake up and they just know all the things 2225 01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:52,800 because they trust you and they love you unconditionally. 2226 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:58,800 And that is the way that we need to view God is that we wake up 2227 01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:02,720 and know that he is going to provide for us and he's going to 2228 01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,560 clothe us and all of those things. 2229 01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:07,960 So that was he was talking about childlike faith, not as being 2230 01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:15,480 like naive and but just wholly trusting what God has lanned for 2231 01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:17,480 us. And it's, and it's funny and we 2232 01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:20,680 see that rhythm time and time again in the Bible with the 2233 01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:25,280 disciples or with people, you know, they do awesome, they 2234 01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:29,360 fail, they sin, they do this. And then they just kind of find 2235 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,600 their way and then they're like, Ah, Dang it. 2236 01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:35,480 And then they fall and they sin. And it's, it's just refreshing 2237 01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:38,520 though, because it's just like, dude, it is every minute of 2238 01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,480 every day, we're doing the exact same thing. 2239 01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:43,840 And so it's just interesting as you get older to be like, Oh my 2240 01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,240 gosh. And then being able to realize 2241 01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:50,840 and feel that grace and feel the compassion and be like, you 2242 01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:52,800 know, I got pulled out of a tough situation. 2243 01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:57,200 And so now these stories are making more and more sense. 2244 01:53:57,480 --> 01:54:00,640 This the pattern that I see in the Bible. 2245 01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,080 Like I, I, I understand that now. 2246 01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,200 I get it. And that was a really cool 2247 01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:09,520 perspective that you had too, on the the fish and the just the 2248 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:11,480 loaves and the fish, the feeding. 2249 01:54:11,480 --> 01:54:13,880 It's just so it's just really cool. 2250 01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,160 Yeah. Yeah, because we don't know. 2251 01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,080 Yeah, we don't know how it happened. 2252 01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,560 We might not. Well, someday we might be able 2253 01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:23,200 to ask. We'll be able to ask. 2254 01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:24,720 Yeah. You know, what's amazing to me 2255 01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:29,800 is we, we know that the disciples messed up and then we 2256 01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:34,920 want to be perfect, right? They walked with Jesus, walked 2257 01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,520 with him, and they failed. And then we get mad at ourselves 2258 01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:41,880 when we fail, right? And, and then we punish 2259 01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:45,280 ourselves or we, you know, we try to, we try to make life 2260 01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:48,520 harder so we can maybe feel closer to God or we, whatever it 2261 01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:54,360 is, when if we really just stop for a moment and say, OK, we are 2262 01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:57,360 failures and God loves us anyway. 2263 01:54:57,720 --> 01:55:00,360 OK, now that we've accepted that, let's keep getting better, 2264 01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:01,840 right? Be perfect. 2265 01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,040 Therefore, as my Father in heaven is a perfect, it's a 2266 01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:08,800 daily walking journey that that's what we're going towards 2267 01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:12,200 every, each and every day. And, and one day, I hope that we 2268 01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:15,120 all achieve it. And, and whether we're living 2269 01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:18,240 out revelation or not, whether we're living out at the end 2270 01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:19,720 times or not, it doesn't really matter. 2271 01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:22,960 Because what really matters is every day we get up and say, OK, 2272 01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:27,080 God, we're going to trust you. And whatever happens is OK 2273 01:55:27,200 --> 01:55:29,440 because we're going to put our trust in you. 2274 01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:31,840 And that's what, you know, you've taught me today. 2275 01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:34,720 You know, for 26 years, I put my trust in and being a pastor, 2276 01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:37,320 getting up and walking, whether whether I think that people need 2277 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:39,560 to hear it or not, God gave me a message. 2278 01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:42,920 And if I'm faithful to listen to the God, then then whether I 2279 01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:46,280 think it's relevant or not, God gave it to me for something. 2280 01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:52,080 And somebody is going to hear that that needs that needs it. 2281 01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:55,280 A girl told me on Sunday. Amanda, one of the girls goes to 2282 01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:56,960 our church. She's like, she's like, every 2283 01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,000 Sunday you come in here and you just tell me exactly what I need 2284 01:55:59,000 --> 01:56:00,360 for the week. And it helps me get through the 2285 01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:02,720 week. And I'm like, oh, OK, you know, 2286 01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:04,000 like. Thanks. 2287 01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:09,400 Yeah. Because I truly think, think, 2288 01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,080 thinking, man, that definitely wasn't me. 2289 01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:13,960 July Sundays I'll leave and I'll have no idea what I even said. 2290 01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:18,200 You're like Will Ferrell in old school when he gives that. 2291 01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:19,960 Do you know, Have you seen that movie? 2292 01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:21,440 Yeah, but I'm what he. Gives. 2293 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,600 What is it? The definition? 2294 01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:26,840 What is it? Yeah, he's doing, he's debating 2295 01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:31,400 some guy from CNN Crossfire and he he just like blacks out and 2296 01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:32,680 he gives like this perfect answer. 2297 01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:35,120 It's towards the end of the movie and and then everyone's 2298 01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:36,920 like completely dumbfounded because you know, it's Will 2299 01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:38,600 Ferrell. And he goes, Oh my gosh, what 2300 01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:39,640 did I say? I blacked out. 2301 01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:42,000 And it's just like, you have to watch that scene. 2302 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,120 It's hilarious. You'll it's like, it's like one 2303 01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:46,480 of the perfect scenes, like the most perfect. 2304 01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:50,080 It's Will Ferrell in that. But it's yeah, you just blacked 2305 01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:51,200 out. That's right. 2306 01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:54,320 The Holy Spirit took over and started talking on your behalf. 2307 01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:56,520 Absolutely, completely agree with that. 2308 01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,240 Oh man, I, I, I love thinking through that. 2309 01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:04,480 I was thinking through on the way here this morning. 2310 01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:06,800 Like so I've been pastor for 26 years. 2311 01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:11,280 So I started college, I was at Mount Carmel in Oakfield and 2312 01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,080 then in seminary I went to pastor these two churches, 2313 01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:19,320 Sunbrite and Rugby Road and then after that I went to Chattanooga 2314 01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:23,640 and I was pastor at Place called Salem or Not Signal Crush United 2315 01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:26,360 Methodist Church. And then from there I went to 2316 01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:28,880 Mossamm and Horns Chapel in Greene County and then I went to 2317 01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,040 Salem. That was the VA for a little bit 2318 01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:36,080 and now I'm in my 2 current churches in like all the 2319 01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:40,360 different places I've been. You know, I can look back at 2320 01:57:40,360 --> 01:57:45,400 certain moments at each church where like I was really knew God 2321 01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,400 used me for a certain reason there. 2322 01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:52,160 And I think if we all did that and I'm preaching to myself 2323 01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:56,760 right now, I need to constantly look back and see, OK, God, you. 2324 01:57:57,160 --> 01:57:59,480 I was at this place and and this what happened. 2325 01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:00,840 I was this place, this what happened. 2326 01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:02,960 I was this place and this is how God used me. 2327 01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,440 And and I'm so thankful for all those little places. 2328 01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:12,440 But we often just live life and we don't look back and think are 2329 01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:16,680 thankful for those little moments of seeing God at work. 2330 01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,960 And I think that what we, what you talked about earlier with 2331 01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:22,240 reading the Bible. Yeah, we have one book, but you 2332 01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:24,600 can read it over and over and over and over. 2333 01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:26,800 And each time the Holy Spirit's going to teach you something 2334 01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,800 different. Just like I haven't thought 2335 01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:33,400 about Miss White until this moment for years, but I'm so 2336 01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:37,160 thankful for that little lady that told me that the older she 2337 01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:40,920 gets, the more she recognizes that the God is with her, you 2338 01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:45,040 know, and, and we all need those little, little, little moments 2339 01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,040 for sure. Have you journaled at all with 2340 01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:51,320 any of the, I mean, you should almost have one journal per 2341 01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:54,040 church that you've been at. And when you have some of these 2342 01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:57,880 moments, even if it's just writing their name down and then 2343 01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:01,160 being like Miss White and then that way you can go back through 2344 01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:03,880 that journal and be like, Oh my gosh, that Lady was awesome. 2345 01:59:04,280 --> 01:59:06,800 Because that would be like, that could be cool over the years 2346 01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:11,360 too, for you to have that and to go back or like pray for those 2347 01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,440 people or like do anything. It's just be fun. 2348 01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:15,440 But I mean, that's would take a little while. 2349 01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:19,120 Be something you'd have to maybe a digital notebook. 2350 01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:21,960 Yeah, or just keep talking about it. 2351 01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:23,600 Yeah. And then it's solidified in 2352 01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:25,240 time. Yeah, just like this. 2353 01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:26,280 Yeah, just like this. Yeah. 2354 01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:28,160 Yeah. When I was at Signal Mountain, 2355 01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:29,800 that was a I was an associate pastor. 2356 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:31,760 It was the first time I was an associate and it was a large 2357 01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:33,320 church. Have you ever been down to Sigma 2358 01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,480 Mountain, Tennessee? It's, it's in Chattanooga that 2359 01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:36,560 overlooks the city of Chattanooga. 2360 01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:40,400 It's really cool, especially if you like Civil War history, OK, 2361 01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,760 because there's Lookout Mountain on one side of the river and and 2362 01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:43,720 Sigma Mountain on the other side. 2363 01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:46,440 And then Chattanooga is below. And so the. 2364 01:59:47,200 --> 01:59:49,280 Ruby Falls, right? That's Lookout Mountain, OK. 2365 01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:52,000 Yeah. And so like, you know, the, the 2366 01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:54,280 north held one, the South held one, they would shoot each other 2367 01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:56,640 across this range. And there's like a lot of cool 2368 01:59:56,640 --> 01:59:58,920 stories too. But so I get there and I'm the 2369 01:59:58,920 --> 02:00:02,560 pastor of associate pastor. And the pastor would say to me 2370 02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,840 often I, I'll never forget. He said, you're rowing the boat 2371 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,400 too fast. And I didn't quite get it 2372 02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:11,600 because I've been a pastor of my on my own for eight years at 2373 02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:14,040 this point. And he'd say, you're rowing too 2374 02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:16,720 fast. And I'm like, what do you mean? 2375 02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,520 And I would get pissed off me and be like. 2376 02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:20,800 I don't care if I'm rowing too fast. 2377 02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:22,720 You know what, here I'm young and dumb and I don't know any 2378 02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:25,560 better. And then all of a sudden one day 2379 02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:29,120 I, I look back and I got it. What he was trying to say is 2380 02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:32,760 he's like, we're teammates here. You don't have to go do 2381 02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,240 everything. And if you row too fast, we're 2382 02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,160 going to go in circles, you know, He didn't say the fullness 2383 02:00:38,160 --> 02:00:39,920 of it. And so I didn't quite grasp it. 2384 02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:43,840 But I look back on that moment and I'm thinking, I try to do it 2385 02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:47,360 all my own where little Dale's on a team and I didn't know how 2386 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:50,520 to be a teammate, you know, and that and that's something I look 2387 02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,640 back from that church that I wish that I would have 2388 02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:56,480 understood as I was I was a teammate and instead of me just 2389 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,400 trying to row and do my own thing like I done for eight 2390 02:00:58,400 --> 02:01:05,600 years, I I should have realized that in rowing too fast, if 2391 02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:08,400 you're rowing with somebody, all you do is go in circles, you 2392 02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:12,560 know. And I think that the more I look 2393 02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:17,240 at my life and you know, it's something I want for my next 2394 02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:21,120 marriage, you know, I want to be married again, but I don't want 2395 02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:24,640 to rode too fast because I know it just gets you in circles, you 2396 02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:27,040 know, and I and I look at my children and I want to teach 2397 02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:32,400 them that same lesson. But I was too dumb and too young 2398 02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,400 to even understand what that man was saying, you know? 2399 02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:40,680 And I think that I look back on that moment and I wish, I wish I 2400 02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:43,680 could go back to that moment when I, when he told me that and 2401 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:48,800 not be mad, but instead say, OK, how do we keep it going straight 2402 02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:52,240 then? And, and obviously there's all 2403 02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,120 these little moments from these different churches, but that's 2404 02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:58,240 one that that I would write down, you know, and, and I, and 2405 02:01:58,240 --> 02:02:00,320 I guarantee if we sat here long enough, I could think of 2406 02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:03,920 something from every little church, you know, and, and learn 2407 02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:08,720 from because you make decisions at the time and you with the 2408 02:02:08,720 --> 02:02:11,760 knowledge that you have. And then you look back and 2409 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:14,880 you're mad at those decisions, but you really can't be mad at 2410 02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:17,480 yourself from what you did. You did the best with the 2411 02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,040 knowledge you have, but what can you learn from it? 2412 02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:24,160 And I, I think that that's something that I want to learn 2413 02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:25,480 from myself. I want to teach my children. 2414 02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:28,400 I want to teach everybody. Don't beat yourself up for a 2415 02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:32,040 decision that you made then because you did the best with 2416 02:02:32,040 --> 02:02:35,200 the knowledge you had, but learn from it and do better as you 2417 02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:37,240 move forward. How long were you at that church 2418 02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:38,720 for? I was only there for two years. 2419 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,600 OK, Yeah, that was a hard, hard time in my life. 2420 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:46,560 I just got married. So I started there and, and and 2421 02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,840 got married and was very had a very successful ministry. 2422 02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:51,680 We're doing wood ministry. Have you ever heard of wood 2423 02:02:51,680 --> 02:02:54,440 ministry? No, it's like were you tree 2424 02:02:54,440 --> 02:02:59,000 companies would donate us huge trees, the logs, and then we 2425 02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:03,080 would cut them up and we had splitters and we would have 2426 02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,600 firewood to go give away to to people who heated their house. 2427 02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:08,680 So that was one of the ministries that I had to start 2428 02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:11,600 there. And it was so powerful and I had 2429 02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:13,880 these people that I would go kayaking on their COA with. 2430 02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:16,840 It was awesome. I started some small groups that 2431 02:03:16,840 --> 02:03:22,040 I still am friends with today, but I just got married and I was 2432 02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:25,040 in charge of a kitchen staff. I imagine that I was in charge 2433 02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:26,440 of a kitchen. Fancy that? 2434 02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:28,840 Yeah, yeah, I've never even thought. 2435 02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:31,720 About that. Because I want to be in the 2436 02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:34,520 kitchen at the church, like I want to be there and help cook. 2437 02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:40,720 But I got accused of sexual harassment at that church from 2438 02:03:40,720 --> 02:03:43,080 somebody. I was talking to my wife at the 2439 02:03:43,080 --> 02:03:47,840 time and I was telling her the story of my dad would always 2440 02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:52,960 call big chicken breast dollies. And I was saying that and 2441 02:03:53,160 --> 02:03:55,680 somebody overheard the story, didn't hear the full context of 2442 02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:59,680 the story and assumed I was talking to them because they 2443 02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:04,160 were large breasted. And another time I, I guess I 2444 02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:09,480 was looking at this lady's way and I'd slapped Ashley on the 2445 02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:13,080 butt and I, I don't know what she saw or what she heard, but 2446 02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,080 she assumed that I was projecting it towards her. 2447 02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:17,880 And so it's like one of the hardest moments of my life. 2448 02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,160 So wait, is this the same person for both of those? 2449 02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,680 Yeah. And so, so she wrote a letter to 2450 02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:28,920 the church concerned about my behavior. 2451 02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,560 And so I had to leave that church, actually. 2452 02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,680 And I I've never talking publicly about this. 2453 02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:38,520 This is the first time it's just a hard moment in my life 2454 02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:40,640 because, you know, we just got married and here I was accused 2455 02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:43,720 of something that I didn't feel like I did, but the church 2456 02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:47,320 protected the her, which they should have. 2457 02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:51,760 But and so I had, I was went and did some therapy and worked 2458 02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,320 through that and went end up going to the VA and be, you 2459 02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:57,320 know, worked through being accused of something that I 2460 02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:00,760 didn't feel like I did and but also recognizing how they could 2461 02:05:00,760 --> 02:05:04,280 see that and. Did you have to do any apologies 2462 02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:06,240 in the church? I did, yeah. 2463 02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:09,200 OK. And you know, I look back on 2464 02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:10,480 that. That was a horror moment in my 2465 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:16,240 life. And and it took me a long time 2466 02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:23,760 to recognize how she could perceive that because for I 2467 02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:28,760 never, I don't understand. I there was no intention, but 2468 02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:30,480 just because you have no intention doesn't mean somebody 2469 02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:32,880 can't perceive that. And so how do, how do you as a 2470 02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:35,920 pastor, like constantly work towards, or is it a human? 2471 02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:40,040 How do you as a human constantly work towards protecting others 2472 02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:42,440 and then recognize that they perceive things that maybe 2473 02:05:42,440 --> 02:05:46,800 aren't true, But you also have to respect people's perception 2474 02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:50,160 and then work through that. But it was, it's a lot of work 2475 02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:57,160 through, you know, that was back in 2000 and I think it was a 2476 02:05:57,160 --> 02:05:59,520 long time ago, but still something that I think about 2477 02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,440 quite often, you know, because I, it was a hard part of my 2478 02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:05,480 ministry, but it's something that it took me years to learn 2479 02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:08,960 from or I didn't learn anything from at the moment other than 2480 02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:11,600 being mad. But now I look back on it, I'm 2481 02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:14,400 like, OK, I have to do better, right? 2482 02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:18,320 And so in, in my kitchen now, like if something happens, like, 2483 02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:20,600 and I recognize it, I immediately apologize. 2484 02:06:20,600 --> 02:06:24,120 I'm like, OK, I, this is not what I think you might have saw 2485 02:06:24,120 --> 02:06:26,560 or you might have heard or you might have understood. 2486 02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:31,120 Like I want to immediately be that person that says, I'm sorry 2487 02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:34,680 that that's how you felt or how you perceived that. 2488 02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:36,640 And, and we're going to do better. 2489 02:06:37,120 --> 02:06:40,920 You know, I we have one of our one of our employees, Jillian, 2490 02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:43,840 I'll never forget the first day she was working there and like, 2491 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:48,400 I'm trying to teach her all things and I turned and somehow 2492 02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:51,600 I touched her butt and I'm like, Oh my gosh, Julian, I did not 2493 02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:53,320 mean to do that. I'm so sorry. 2494 02:06:53,320 --> 02:06:55,280 And she's like, what happened? I was like, well, when I was 2495 02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:56,520 turning that pant, I touched your butt. 2496 02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:58,400 I didn't mean to. And so she still laughs by this 2497 02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,160 day. She's like, Lou, you were such a 2498 02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:02,320 good boss and good employee. I know you didn't mean that. 2499 02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:06,320 And I'm like, I know, but like, I didn't mean to do that, but I 2500 02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:07,320 did. I never want somebody to 2501 02:07:07,320 --> 02:07:11,400 perceive that I was intentionally doing whatever it 2502 02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:13,240 is. And so like I constantly am 2503 02:07:13,240 --> 02:07:16,280 trying to learn from my from my mistakes because it's easy to 2504 02:07:16,360 --> 02:07:18,840 blame and say it's somebody else's fault. 2505 02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:22,200 It's easy to blame. Whatever it is, but if we can 2506 02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:27,560 just stop long enough to say, OK, here's what we had, here's 2507 02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:30,560 how we were part of it, how can we learn from it? 2508 02:07:31,000 --> 02:07:35,360 You know. So I went from there, like I 2509 02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:40,320 said, and, and I was, I learned so much from that years, but it 2510 02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:43,520 took me, it took me about 10 years to learn from those 2511 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:46,080 moments. You know, especially with Mark, 2512 02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:48,880 you know, who is a senior pastor there, It took me forever to 2513 02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:51,360 figure out. He was trying to encourage me 2514 02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:53,120 not to roast so fast. And I just thought he was 2515 02:07:53,120 --> 02:07:56,080 jealous, but I couldn't understand that at the moment. 2516 02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:00,400 And, you know, I look at my next church and, you know, there was 2517 02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:01,720 fault. There's faults at every church 2518 02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:05,200 I've ever been to. But you learn from them and, you 2519 02:08:05,200 --> 02:08:06,600 know, you move forward. And you're right. 2520 02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:08,000 I do need to journal some of that stuff down. 2521 02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:12,120 So, and even the church I'm at now, like I, I, I look back and 2522 02:08:12,760 --> 02:08:15,400 yeah, I get, I feel like I'm getting better at what I do, but 2523 02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:18,840 I still, you know, it takes you a long time. 2524 02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:21,080 Yeah, it does. Yeah. 2525 02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:23,240 Just gone through the motions. Yeah, yeah. 2526 02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:26,600 I mean what? What number of podcasts is this 2527 02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:31,520 for y'all? 16. 16 Yeah. 2528 02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:32,560 Do you feel like you're getting better? 2529 02:08:33,400 --> 02:08:34,840 I think so. I mean, I'm enjoying the 2530 02:08:34,840 --> 02:08:37,840 conversations with people and just hearing and trying to 2531 02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:40,320 listen and engage. And then you know, that's why 2532 02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:42,560 I've got my notebook now too, just in case there's something I 2533 02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:46,560 that I hear that I want to specifically remember so that I 2534 02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,800 can and just learn more. It's been fun. 2535 02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:52,880 We've had so many different people from all different walks 2536 02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,120 of life. And then this Thursday we've got 2537 02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:58,400 Jeremiah Cafe. That's awesome. 2538 02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,040 She's coming on. So I'm just like super excited 2539 02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:05,080 for her to come on. And I went there on Saturday and 2540 02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:07,080 I took some friends. So I was like, hey, if you never 2541 02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:08,960 in Jeremiah Cafe stinking, let's go. 2542 02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:12,040 Like, it's like, that's I'm not even going to tell you anything. 2543 02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:14,040 Let's go. Yeah, let's go because it's 2544 02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:17,360 amazing. And when I got there, Jennifer 2545 02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:18,840 was like, hey, what's up, Lee? And I was like, Oh my gosh, 2546 02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:20,000 what? You Remember Me? 2547 02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:22,360 Because, you know, I met her and then I asked her to come on the 2548 02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:24,080 podcast. And I was like, I just want to 2549 02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:27,640 hear your story. And and so I just couldn't 2550 02:09:27,640 --> 02:09:29,360 believe that she had remembered me when I went there. 2551 02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:31,240 It was just kind of one of those funny things. 2552 02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:33,880 And I was like, all right, cool. I'll see you on Thursday. 2553 02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:39,120 But it's just been, it's been really fun and interesting and 2554 02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:44,200 it's just really cool that we've got this studio and the ability 2555 02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:47,360 to do it. And it's just fun to be able to 2556 02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:51,160 do that with Brian too. You know, we just hang out all 2557 02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:53,560 day everyday. Besties, yeah. 2558 02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:58,040 It's funny, like so Jill with Natural Foods Market, I was 2559 02:09:58,040 --> 02:10:00,000 like, yeah, you got to go on Leah's podcast. 2560 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,120 It's incredible. And then there, have you heard 2561 02:10:02,120 --> 02:10:04,800 of Zach Bites? He's like a local guy goes. 2562 02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,040 Around. Familiar so he goes around and 2563 02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,440 he's got a ton of followers now, but he goes to different 2564 02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:10,960 restaurants and gives them like reviews or. 2565 02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:11,600 Whatever. Oh, OK. 2566 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:12,160 All right. And. 2567 02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:14,800 I was like, I was like, me, I want to take you on this podcast 2568 02:10:15,080 --> 02:10:18,360 and I was like, even if Leah isn't there, like I want to just 2569 02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:21,360 hear your story because he's a pharmacist and he does like all 2570 02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:24,360 these food reviews and like love listening to talk about food 2571 02:10:24,360 --> 02:10:28,320 and, and, but it's such a valuable tool that you're 2572 02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:32,920 offering not only when you do the podcast, but to have this 2573 02:10:32,920 --> 02:10:37,280 space that you all set up. And I want to encourage you just 2574 02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:42,040 to keep finding your rhythm. You know, I, I, I one thing I 2575 02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:45,160 don't like is I don't feel like y'all promote yourself enough. 2576 02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:48,760 So I try to tell everybody about y'all. 2577 02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,600 And obviously you're new, but like, I want to see you out 2578 02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:55,040 there promoting this thing like everywhere because I think it's 2579 02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:57,040 valuable. Like everyone of them that I've 2580 02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:58,840 watched, I'm like, that was interesting. 2581 02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:02,120 I learned something, you know? But if you don't get it out 2582 02:11:02,120 --> 02:11:03,560 there, how are people going to hear about it? 2583 02:11:03,600 --> 02:11:05,680 So I want to encourage you just to promote yourself more. 2584 02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:08,400 Don't be scared. I won't. 2585 02:11:08,680 --> 02:11:12,720 Hey, are you surprised that I didn't have a perimenopause 2586 02:11:12,720 --> 02:11:15,480 moment and breakdown? I was like, man, she really must 2587 02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:17,280 be on her medicine. I am proud of her. 2588 02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:21,000 I can't even watch that. I can't. 2589 02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:22,680 I'm just like, Oh my gosh, who was that? 2590 02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:26,920 And then Brian was, Brian was so funny because he was like, yeah, 2591 02:11:27,240 --> 02:11:30,160 you can like, just stop talking for a second and like, regroup 2592 02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:31,960 yourself. And I was like, I know, I know. 2593 02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:33,440 I was just caught up in that moment. 2594 02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:36,160 Sometimes. Sometimes when you're in it, you 2595 02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:38,520 know, it's hard to, like, control your emotions, 2596 02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:41,200 especially when you're, you know, middle-aged. 2597 02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:44,080 Middle. Middle-aged. 2598 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:46,640 Wow, I said it. I have AI said it. 2599 02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:48,600 According to her, you have a middle-aged wife. 2600 02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:52,000 It's all right. You know what, I have that 2601 02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:54,120 problem. I still think 1990 was like 10 2602 02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:57,680 years ago. Like I just can't like it's so 2603 02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:02,640 weird and it's weird as we get older to be like, Oh my gosh, 2604 02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:06,560 this kind of music or those words or like what it what does 2605 02:12:06,560 --> 02:12:08,800 that acronym mean? And then we're just like, Oh my 2606 02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:12,000 gosh, we're getting so old. And it just like stinking 2607 02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,440 happened so fast and it so weird. 2608 02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,480 But I mean, our kids keep us young because, I mean, we've 2609 02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,400 we've got really young kids. Yes, you do. 2610 02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:23,720 Almost 5 and 6. So like, we I think people think 2611 02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:27,240 that we're younger just because, you know, we've got younger 2612 02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:28,040 kids. So that's cool. 2613 02:12:28,040 --> 02:12:29,160 We got that going for us. Yeah. 2614 02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:30,000 Congratulations. Maybe. 2615 02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:31,400 Yeah, maybe we don't look as old. 2616 02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:37,840 I don't know, all these lights on our face, but whatever. 2617 02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:40,560 I digress. Yeah, yeah, I would love to keep 2618 02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:42,000 talking, but I got to get. That's fine. 2619 02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:45,200 Thank you so much for taking taking time and sharing your 2620 02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:47,600 story more. And we just we appreciate you, 2621 02:12:47,600 --> 02:12:49,080 Lou, and everything that you're doing. 2622 02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:51,920 I mean, it's awesome. Smash meals is great, delicious 2623 02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:54,000 food. As gluten free people, we 2624 02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,760 appreciate you. It's just really cool to see you 2625 02:12:57,160 --> 02:13:00,240 in all the local stores for pickups and then just just to 2626 02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:02,480 see you expand and really have fun. 2627 02:13:03,200 --> 02:13:04,880 And your social media is hilarious. 2628 02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:08,280 I saw the one where you like had a phone and you were like order 2629 02:13:08,280 --> 02:13:11,920 and you can check to see if you know, like, yeah, right. 2630 02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:14,920 It was, it was funny. And so we we appreciate you and 2631 02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:17,120 then all the cool things with your church, which is too you 2632 02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:20,560 have the free Thursday night meals for the community. 2633 02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,960 That's awesome. We're actually, we'll probably 2634 02:13:22,960 --> 02:13:24,400 come out to one of those Thursday nights. 2635 02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:27,840 Yeah, so next, not this Thursday, I mean you can come to 2636 02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:29,160 Thursday, but next Thursday I'm cooking. 2637 02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:31,080 So OK yeah, I would love for y'all to. 2638 02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:33,720 Cook yeah, it would just be fun and just meet some people and 2639 02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,520 just hang out and have our boys. They just love to run around and 2640 02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:38,000 that'd be great. They'll just go crazy. 2641 02:13:38,080 --> 02:13:39,480 There's a field next to the church and. 2642 02:13:39,480 --> 02:13:40,280 See. All right, cool. 2643 02:13:40,360 --> 02:13:41,920 We'll just bring a soccer ball and they're golden. 2644 02:13:42,080 --> 02:13:44,360 But boom, I like, I like it. But yeah, thank you for that. 2645 02:13:44,360 --> 02:13:46,800 Like it's funny because I had somebody say to me the other 2646 02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:48,920 day, like, dude, look, you're everywhere. 2647 02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:50,280 And I'm like, what do you mean I'm everywhere? 2648 02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:52,680 Like every time we turn on the Internet. 2649 02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:54,080 It's you. There you are. 2650 02:13:54,240 --> 02:13:57,160 And I was like, huh? And I, I tell you, like this 2651 02:13:57,160 --> 02:14:01,200 podcast, I don't know how many clips you sent to me, but I used 2652 02:14:01,200 --> 02:14:03,000 everyone of them, I think anyway, I hope I did. 2653 02:14:03,320 --> 02:14:05,840 I should have numbered them because I, I get confused if I 2654 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:10,680 actually use them or not, But I was amazed at how many people 2655 02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:14,400 saw the clips and then they went and watched the whole thing, you 2656 02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:17,200 know, and people would say, Hey, I saw your podcast, like what 2657 02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:19,160 did you watch it or listen to it? 2658 02:14:19,160 --> 02:14:20,960 And they were like, well, you know, we, we saw those clips. 2659 02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:22,400 I'm like, no, you got to see the whole thing. 2660 02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:28,200 Like, but it, but I what you did by breaking up, at least people 2661 02:14:28,200 --> 02:14:30,760 got to see some of it, you know, and I think that's the whole 2662 02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:32,960 point of the podcast. We can learn from each other. 2663 02:14:33,560 --> 02:14:36,960 And I think this is what it's about is you can learn from each 2664 02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:38,640 other. Because we, I must say, I would 2665 02:14:38,640 --> 02:14:41,160 say this till the day I die, we do not tell our story enough, 2666 02:14:42,120 --> 02:14:43,640 right? It's just like that story from 2667 02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:47,440 20 years ago, like I've been embarrassed my whole life or my 2668 02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:50,600 whole life since that day that I was accused of that to tell that 2669 02:14:50,600 --> 02:14:53,720 story. And at the end of the day, like 2670 02:14:53,720 --> 02:14:57,800 that's part of my life. I can't take it away, you know, 2671 02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:01,160 like, and no matter what happened, like that's part of 2672 02:15:01,160 --> 02:15:04,040 me. And, and, and so I need to 2673 02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:07,080 practice, to preach because I'm embarrassed to tell a lot of my 2674 02:15:07,080 --> 02:15:09,360 stuff, you know? But you never know who you're 2675 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,200 going to help in that moment because somebody could have 2676 02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:13,920 literally been listening to this or watching it and heard that 2677 02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:16,080 and been like, oh man, I'm going through that right now. 2678 02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:19,600 And I, I didn't, I didn't do it or whatever. 2679 02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:22,120 Or maybe I did do it and I need help and so. 2680 02:15:22,280 --> 02:15:25,000 I try to tell my kids these stories like the ones that are 2681 02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:27,240 especially the ones that are embarrassing and, and I'll tell 2682 02:15:27,240 --> 02:15:28,840 this last story and then we can, we can finish. 2683 02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:34,120 But I was 10 years old and I didn't understand time change. 2684 02:15:35,000 --> 02:15:36,800 And, and it wasn't until recently, I've even told my 2685 02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:39,560 family this story. I didn't understand time change. 2686 02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:43,560 And so it got dark and we'd have cell phones and I picked up the 2687 02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:46,440 home phone and I called, nobody answered my parents office. 2688 02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:48,600 And for me, it was like in the middle of the night because it 2689 02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:51,200 was so dark outside. And I didn't grasp at the time 2690 02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:55,200 it changed and it was winter. So immediately, you know what 2691 02:15:55,200 --> 02:15:57,280 Amman said? You're not loved. 2692 02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:01,240 They don't care about you. They, they're, they've abandoned 2693 02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:04,800 you now for a 10 year old. Somehow I convinced myself in 2694 02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:08,200 about a span of 10 minutes from them not answering the phone to 2695 02:16:08,200 --> 02:16:11,280 be completely dark outside, that my parents would love me. 2696 02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:13,640 I went and loaded a gun and wrote a letter and I was going 2697 02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:19,680 to kill myself at 10 years old. And I sat in that floor with 2698 02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:24,560 that shotgun thinking that no one cared about me. 2699 02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:32,040 And I had the gun loaded. I'd written a little note and I 2700 02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:36,639 just sat there and thank God I saw the lights from my parents 2701 02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:40,320 car and I was like, oh, they're home. 2702 02:16:41,360 --> 02:16:44,520 I unloaded that gun. I put the bullets up, I put the 2703 02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:47,600 shotgun back up. I tore the note up and went 2704 02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:49,200 about my life like that thing had happened. 2705 02:16:50,320 --> 02:16:53,440 And it wasn't until I don't know how long ago I told my parents 2706 02:16:53,440 --> 02:16:56,799 the story. But I remember I sat my kids 2707 02:16:56,799 --> 02:17:02,200 down and I told him a story and as embarrassing as that is, I 2708 02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:05,280 wanted them to know that things can happen in the instant. 2709 02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:08,600 I went from a happy 10 year old to thinking that my life was 2710 02:17:08,600 --> 02:17:12,879 over because I didn't understand time change and almost committed 2711 02:17:12,879 --> 02:17:17,000 suicide at 10 because I didn't think somebody loved me. 2712 02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:19,320 And I still hold on to that today. 2713 02:17:19,799 --> 02:17:26,000 Like, I know that is part of my life and and most of the world 2714 02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:28,200 would never know that if I didn't tell that story. 2715 02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:32,000 But how many other people have went through there and thinking 2716 02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:33,639 that some because they didn't understand the fullness of the 2717 02:17:33,639 --> 02:17:36,879 story. And I'm so grateful that I 2718 02:17:36,879 --> 02:17:39,840 didn't do it right because I look at my life and what I've 2719 02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:45,559 got to experience. But again, I was so embarrassed 2720 02:17:45,559 --> 02:17:47,440 about that. I didn't tell anybody for years 2721 02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:49,959 and I still am sitting here today embarrassed. 2722 02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:53,240 Like, why would I do that? And I don't know that answer, 2723 02:17:53,520 --> 02:17:58,360 but I do know that if I could help somebody and my kids know 2724 02:17:58,360 --> 02:18:03,080 that story because I want them to know that life is never worth 2725 02:18:03,240 --> 02:18:05,440 ending. Because you don't know the 2726 02:18:05,440 --> 02:18:08,879 answer, because you think it's it's horrible. 2727 02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:13,959 Because no matter what happens, there's still a hope, you know? 2728 02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:16,879 And I'm so glad they pulled up in the driveway when they did, 2729 02:18:17,719 --> 02:18:21,200 you know? That was providential. 100%, you 2730 02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:25,799 know, so I, I hope that everybody you have on there is 2731 02:18:25,799 --> 02:18:29,200 not embarrassed to tell their story because our stories are 2732 02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:33,280 worth telling. Thanks, Lou. 2733 02:18:33,480 --> 02:18:36,400 Yeah, thanks for sharing that and the other stories. 2734 02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:39,480 Yeah, it takes courage. Yeah, it does. 2735 02:18:39,799 --> 02:18:42,799 You're just walking around the town waiting for those walls to 2736 02:18:42,799 --> 02:18:43,200 fall. Yeah. 2737 02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:46,280 Yeah, you are. Yeah. 2738 02:18:48,520 --> 02:18:51,920 Yeah, Amen to that. Keep circling, friend. 2739 02:18:52,959 --> 02:18:54,440 Cheers. Thanks, Lee. 2740 02:19:11,400 --> 02:19:14,920 This episode is powered by Outpost Roasters small batch 2741 02:19:14,920 --> 02:19:18,959 high quality coffee with Seoul. Outpost Roasters in Johnson City 2742 02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:23,040 specializes in freshly roasted, small batch, ethically sourced, 2743 02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,799 fair trade local coffee. That's what sets them apart from 2744 02:19:25,799 --> 02:19:28,080 the big guys. 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