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This sermon series like I just 
that that Bone Thugs just be 

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playing in my head and all that 
love listen. 

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After the last pod, like when 
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going home, like I played it 
right, looked it up as you 

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should. 
I looked it up and I was going 

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on like, you know, I've never 
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song, but it's been, yeah, it's 
just been in my mind. 

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It's kind of funny. 
Yeah, man, in today's pod, I 

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kind of want to do a little 
different, you know? 

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OK. 
Yeah. 

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You know, I want to dive a 
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from this past Sunday. 
And yeah, man, it's kind of want

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to pick your brain on some 
things. 

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Of course, we're in this 
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I'm sorry. 
We're in this sermon series of 

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For the Love of Money. 
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into the story of the rich young
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And I don't know, just listening
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one from the week before about 
stewardship in the book of 

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Malachi, brother. 
Like, how do we get from the 

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book of Malachi to Matthew? 
Yeah, bro. 

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So like, I'm just curious of 
that piece. 

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Like how how did that come 
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Like just walk us through that 
thought process if you don't 

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mind. 
I don't mind it. 

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It's, you know, it was wild is 
so when I saw the story in the, 

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in the book of Matthew about the
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first started, when I first read
it, it was about somebody that 

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loved their finances, somebody 
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Christ. 
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up his his wealth to inherit the
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And when I started getting into 
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and, and kind of like where the 
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really wasn't what I, I thought 
it was going to be to, to be 

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honest with you. 
Because like, the more that I 

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started digging in the 
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things that the Holy Spirit kind
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And this whole idea of Jesus is 
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Jesus is the only way to heaven.
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context, if you're wealthy, if 
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look at your life and you're 
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And just to be honest with you, 
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culture. 
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So like, if you see rich people 
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really wealthy pastors, it's you
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blessed by God, you know, like 
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blessings on you and all this 
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But then it's like, what about 
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You know, And it's like, that's 
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It's God does bless people with 
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use the first Kingdom and hard 
work and knowledge. 

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There's all these other things. 
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that this, this rich young ruler
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idol of money and wealth and 
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And Jesus is like, if you're 
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want eternal life, it's 
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It's the whole thing, anything 
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And I think that's where I ended
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Like I felt like the Holy Spirit
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way. 
Jesus is the only way, hey? 

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Yeah. 
So my question is how do we go 

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from Week 1 Malachite and 
Tuesday, but that just how does 

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that make sense in the series 
and like kind of where you're 

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building? 
I think it's, it's just this 

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whole idea, this whole concept 
of money being an idol and, and 

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for a lot of people, money does 
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what they love. 
It becomes everything that they 

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are and and you end up choosing 
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That's why I'm saying like, OK, 
So what if you're not rich? 

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What if if you're like normal 
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Yeah, he Pope, you know, but the
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on less than $2.00 a day. 
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year, you're in like the top 5% 
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So you're actually rich, you 
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concept in the United States, 
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consumes you, how how the love 
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It like if you look at what, 
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in the world to you? 
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know, well, look at your bank 
account that's going to show you

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like where you spend your money 
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All that stuff is going to show 
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thing, you know. 
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Jesus is like you have to make a
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either love money or love me, 
you know, So you take your pick.

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Man. 
And that was a tough one, man. 

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Yeah, for sure. 
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And then, like in that, that 
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to love money or you love Jesus 
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question of eternal life, you 
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it, but from Matthew 16, nine is
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ruler ask Jesus is what can I 
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What can I do? 
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that's right. 
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on that topic is could you 
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what does the Bible say? 
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So when whenever you see eternal
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life with Christ forever for all
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And, and it begins here on 
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I know a lot of people think 
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No, it's whenever you surrender 
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your faith in him, you have the 
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know, like you have that 
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So eternal life is life with 
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begins at your spiritual birth, 
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Romans 623 you know, for the 
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gift of God is eternal life 
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you know, So eternal life is 
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It's a hard, it's not a hard 
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difficult because I would say 
about 75% of people when you ask

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them, if you were to die today 
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Lord and he says, why should I 
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75% of people, like 7 out of 10 
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didn't kill anybody. 
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can, you know, So it goes back 
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said in in verse 16. 
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And then the sad thing is that 
the Lord's going to look at you,

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be like, I have no idea where 
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That's out of Matthew 7. 
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And that's so scary. 
It is man, it's terrifying. 

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And, and what's sad too is like 
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believers that say things like, 
well, like the Lord knows their 

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heart, like all things lead to 
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clear, like, and I think that's 
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I'm like, I'm going to show you.
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it, man. 
Like nothing you got to do. 

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Nothing you can do. 
There's nothing you. 

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Can do like just put your it's a
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All you got to do is accept it. 
So that that's where, yeah, it's

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always a sensitive topic for 
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mean, how can you say that? 
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someone's not going to heaven? 
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they don't know Jesus, that's 
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So it's a tough one. 
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So my mind is kind of just just 
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know that we stand on the 
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truth found in the Scriptures. 
What would you say to people 

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that hearing that biblical truth
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Yeah, well, that's the gospel is
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And and the reason it's 
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it says is everything that you 
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believe, everything that you're 
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So imagine if if you lived a 
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life, like believing, and then 
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That's like, hey, you know, 
Jesus is the way. 

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You know that it's, it's a hard 
pill to swallow for some people,

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right? 
But I think it's also extremely 

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free because if that's the 
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God loves me that much, that and
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forgiveness of my sins and peace
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Yeah. 
So yes, people are going to feel

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a certain way, especially like 
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They will it almost comes off as
judgmental, but I believe, I 

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think it's loving. 
I really do, because it's the 

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truth, right? 
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suggestion. 
It's not like a it's not a it's 

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not a thought. 
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This I don't know. 
Something's just been in me on 

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that topic today, like I don't 
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kind of had me sensitive to. 
I heard this quote earlier today

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and it's like a guy having a 
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and it's like, why don't you 
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like, what is it about his life 
that like struggles that you 

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struggle with? 
Like, believe me, you know, when

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you know, you look back to other
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you know, you acknowledge their 
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not a fraction of, you know, 
the, the quote UN quote proof of

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their life. 
And Simply put, people just 

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don't want to change. 
That's like that confrontation 

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piece of like maybe we some 
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Jesus because they don't really 
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Yeah. 
And and I think I think some 

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people don't believe in Jesus 
because they're their hearts are

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hardened. 
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about like you, you recognize 
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so you believe in the lies of 
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father of lies. 
This is out of first John. 

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But you know, the sheep knows 
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So I don't know if it's their 
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We also have to be careful that 
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Holy Spirit who changes hearts 
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So I could, I could preach at 
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on a whiteboard. 
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open their eyes to the gospel, 
there's, there's nothing I could

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do, you know. 
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continue to pray for that person
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his truth to them. 
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does, they'll make that decision
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Yeah. 
But it's, it's the Spirit of God

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that changes people. 
It's our role as believers to 

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obey what God has told us it is 
to share the gospel. 

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Yeah. 
So the gospel is not being 

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shared, then they do not hear. 
And if they do not hear, it 

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doesn't give them an opportunity
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And if they don't respond, then 
they're looking at eternity 

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separated from a Savior. 
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So. 
So we have to share. 

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We have to constantly share the 
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Dang, I know we're going a 
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something like just in the midst
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just be completely transparent. 
And you know, sometimes I tend 

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to, I don't know if it's for not
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like the conflict piece. 
Like what about the 

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confrontation that comes with 
sharing the gospel? 

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Yeah, I, I honestly, there's 
there's always going to be a 

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little bit of a confrontation. 
Nobody's ever going to be like, 

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wow, that was great. 
I'm a Sinner. 

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Awesome. 
No, like it, it, it's, it's 

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almost like a, a truth like 
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But then it's like, This is why 
it's so important to know and 

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understand the gospel message 
because the gospel message is, 

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it's called the good news for a 
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So it is man, here's, here's a 
good news. 

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Like there's a holy righteous 
God created that loves us, but 

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because we have sinned against 
him, there's a, there's a gap, 

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there's a chasm in that 
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So instead of us having to work 
and do all these things and set 

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all these systems that he tells 
us, he sends Christ, like God 

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gave Jesus the son of God to 
take our place to be the the 

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payment for that relationship to
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And all we have to do is accept 
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That's great news, man. 
Like that, That is like, how do 

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you, how do you hear something 
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that ain't it. 
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this out of love, I think 
sometimes people are not 

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rejecting the gospel, they're 
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church in Galatia, he's like, I 
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talking about, but the gospel I 
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gospel. 
It's not the truth, man. 

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It's it's a different version of
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Jeez, yeah, that's one of them. 
Them truth bombs you'd be 

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dropping some time. 
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honest with ourselves. 
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not, hey, God loves you, or God 
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there's a deeper purpose for you
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message. 
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The gospel is that Jesus came. 
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He was crucified, He gave his 
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buried, and he rose again on the
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He did all that so that way you 
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of sin. 
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So we got to get that right. 
Sheesh, yeah, that was a a 

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little tangent that went on on 
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No, it's all right. 
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community and, and even like 
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lot of like, I've never heard 
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clear message or even read it? 
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little bit heartbreaking. 
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It's like man. 
So how do you respond to people 

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with in that situation where 
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explained accurately, it sounds 
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Yeah, no, I mean, I, I, I think 
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we're like, hey, it's, it's not 
your fault that somebody hasn't 

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explained it to you. 
So let me let let's walk through

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it. 
You know, something we did on on

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Saturday at the discipleship 
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verse evangelism, how to engage 
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how to be more like asking 
questions and, and everything is

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in that one verse. 
You know, like everything you 

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need is in that one verse. 
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understand it in a very clear 
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napkin at a bar. 
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people, you explain it, but 
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allow them to ask questions 
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know. 
So unfortunately. 

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It's all right. 
There will be more. 

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Yeah, for sure. 
But can you share that that? 

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Scripture, yeah. 
No, it's it, it goes back to the

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Romans 623 the, you know, for 
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the gift of God is eternal life 
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that when you write the 
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underline 3 words. 
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death, and on the other side you
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then you just start walking 
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Something I earn, I go to work, 
I expect to get paid. 

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You're absolutely right. 
What's a sin? 

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Something like a lie or I murder
somebody, something God doesn't 

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like, right? 
What's death? 

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Most people will say you stop 
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Your life ends like you're 
right. 

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But the death here is after you 
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separation. 
You're not going to be from God.

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So if you're not with God, where
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In hell, right? 
So it's then you walk it down. 

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It's like because I sin, what I 
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from God, right? 
And then you jump to the other 

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All right, let's talk about it. 

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What's a gift something free you
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You know, like which is good. 
Some of that that somebody's 

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gave giving you awesome. 
Who's God? 

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Most people like the creator, 
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What's eternal life? 
Heaven life would so that's what

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it's like Eternal life is life 
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So the free gift that all you 
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You don't have to pay for from 
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life with him for all eternity. 
And all you have to do is accept

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that gift. 
So then you, you bring it all 

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together. 
So it's like I sin. 

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So what I earn is separation 
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But you throw a big butt in the 
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great. 
You know, we talked about the 

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butts in the Bible. 
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creator gives us is life with 
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accept it. 
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we accept? 
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cross. 
You put your trust in Christ. 

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That's what the the passage 
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And then you just started you 
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It's like, so if you're here and
God is here and the relationship

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is here, where would would you 
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Put a little mark on the bridge.
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they might put a little mark 
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And that's like, so if you're 
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you think you have to do in 
order to get all the way to this

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side? 
And they'll start saying things.

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I'll be good. 
I have to go to church more. 

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I have to do this than that, you
know, all that. 

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And then you can even draw like,
little bridges, right? 

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Like, yeah, that'll get you 
right here. 

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But I'm going to get to the 
other side. 

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That'll get you right here. 
But is it the only way to get 

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right here is to put your trust.
So you just write out the word 

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trust, you know, So JESUSTRUST 
just put your trust in Christ 

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and you'll be right here. 
So it's just a simple way to 

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engage people, walk them through
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Man, yeah, that's good bro. 
Head in the way that ties back 

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into the question that the rich 
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Yeah, what can I do? 
What must I do to the Kingdom of

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Heaven, Teacher? 
Come on, break that down. 

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He didn't. 
He didn't call him. 

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He didn't identify Jesus as Lord
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He's like, this guy's a great 
teacher. 

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He must know how to get eternal 
life. 

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He must know the way. 
So I'm gonna go ask. 

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Maybe he can leave, yeah. 
Man. 

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And then like that breakdown of 
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rich young ruler walked away. 
Yeah. 

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And then the way he tied it to 
Mark and like how Jesus looked 

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at abroad wasn't ready for that.
Like going back and listening to

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that. 
Like I just wasn't ready for it.

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Bro Yeah, man. 
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Mark 10, I think it's it's March
1021. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, even he was so excited 

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when she's like, all right, you 
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He's like, I got it. 
I did it. 

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And then it said Jesus looked at
him and loved him. 

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You know, like, that's powerful.
Yeah. 

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He's like he, he loved him. 
Like, So I think the rich young 

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ruler was really genuine of 
saying I kept all these 

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commands. 
I think I got it. 

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And then Jesus was like, all 
right, man. 

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Well, let me, let me, let me 
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Jeez. 
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So this is like me kind of just 
geeking out a little bit and 

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wanting to learn more about the,
like, preparation piece. 

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Why tie those two together from 
the point in Mark 19, I'm sorry,

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in Matthew 19 and Mark 10? 
Like, can you walk me through 

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how you got there in your 
sermon? 

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Yeah, because I, I think many of
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that's the big question. 
How do I attain eternal life 

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when I die? 
How do I get to heaven? 

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Every every religious, every 
belief system must answer that 

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question. 
What must I do to be good, 

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become good with my maker And 
and I truly believe that the 

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rich young ruler was genuine. 
He really wanted to know and and

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he was very curious. 
You see, like what's interesting

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is when the Pharisees come at 
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Like he pops off and he calls 
him like a brutal Vipers. 

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He he's always he always 
condemns them because they're 

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trying to use religion 
improperly. 

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But here's a ruler of a 
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know how they take its eternal 
life. 

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And and the reason why I brought
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cross reference, that detail 
sticks out in Mark. 

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And remember, Mark is like the 
Snapchat of the Bible. 

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So, yeah, you know, it gives 
these picture scenes short 

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little messages of what it's 
like you're trying to say 

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something on Snapchat, but you 
don't, like give all the 

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details. 
You want people to try to guess 

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or like, be like, oh, what do 
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So that's important because 
Jesus does not send him away. 

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He, he looks at him, he loves 
him. 

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Many people who are searching, 
you know, we had this idea like 

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God hates them or God's mad at 
them for asking questions or 

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like God's like, I can't stand, 
you know, God loves you. 

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Man. 
Like me, he he looks, he loves 

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you so much that he sent his 
son. 

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It's all out of love, you know, 
so bring your questions. 

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He can handle it. 
You know, don't bring it and 

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then and and then just get a 
little deeper with it, please. 

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John 316 and 17. 
Jesus says, for I did not come 

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into the world to condemn it, 
but to save it. 

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So he doesn't condemn this young
man. 

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He came to the world to save it,
right? 

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Luke 1910 You know, I came to 
seek and to save that which was 

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lost. 
You know that that's the mission

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of Christ. 
So for this young man, I mean, 

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Jesus like, I want to give you 
eternal life and then just 

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doesn't condemn him. 
Instead what he does is he gives

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them away how to do it. 
So what does he tell? 

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Give me everything. 
Go sell all your stuff and then 

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come follow me, man. 
Giving him an opportunity of a 

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lifetime to come and follow 
Christ. 

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Like all his disciples are 
there. 

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So there's evidence of people 
have done it before, right? 

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Like all he has to do is be 
like, cool, let's go, right. 

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Let's let's roll. 
So Jesus is giving him away, 

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right? 
So but he doesn't choose that. 

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Hey, yeah. 
And they shout out Peter and 

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Peter. 
Peter, always. 

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Got something to say? 
For real. 

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But I don't that was a great 
point to me too, because, you 

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know, that's one of one of the 
people in the Bible I identify a

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lot with just like I tend to put
my foot in my mouth sometimes, 

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you know? 
But he's. 

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Well, Yeah, right. 
Yeah, man, but I don't know just

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the the way you further drove 
home that point of like God 

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didn't even condemn Peter when 
Peter. 

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Oh man, he doesn't. 
Or Jesus didn't even God Jesus, 

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but you know what I mean, like 
that loving aspect of man, just 

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who Jesus is and how loving the 
Father is to give us Jesus, to 

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give us, you know, the 
opportunity to get back in 

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relationship with him and. 
And remember, Jesus is the 

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ultimate disciple Maker, Come 
on. 

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Right? 
Like so he, he think about who's

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around him. 
So when Peter asked that 

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question of like, well, we're we
gave up everything to follow you

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and instead of him looking at 
Peter and saying like Peter, you

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come on man again, you know, no,
he does. 

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He takes the opportunity and 
says, you know, you are right 

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because I'll do it. 
So everyone's listening. 

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He's like, look how that man 
went away sad and he goes, you 

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got like the people that follow 
me. 

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Your reward is going to be way 
more then all boys over there 

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like you going to be ruling over
the 12 tribes of Israel like it 

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eternity like it's crazy the the
reward that I have for you you 

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can't even fathom. 
But that. 

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Cost. 
But the cost, Yes, The cost, 

446
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,440
that's right, yeah. 
And that was one of those like 

447
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,400
we got a very visual example in 
the rich young rulers like bro 

448
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,640
walked away like it. 
Was sad bro. 

449
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,080
The Bible says it was sad. 
Yeah, man. 

450
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,720
Yeah. 
And I'm just going to be, again,

451
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,560
transparent. 
There's been so many times where

452
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,200
I walked away from the Lord the 
same way. 

453
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Yeah, you know, And you know, 
for me it was previous 

454
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,560
relationships or, you know, just
to be real spices. 

455
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,400
You know, that I've had, it is 
like now I just don't want Jesus

456
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,720
right now and walk away and like
sometimes sad, like, Dang, I'm 

457
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,720
tripping but still doing it or 
the other side of like I'm just 

458
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,360
so far deep into it. 
Like it doesn't even register. 

459
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, cost of following Jesus. 

460
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,040
It's the cost and, and also we, 
we have to recognize that it is 

461
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080
our sin and our sinful nature 
that puts us there. 

462
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,040
But Christ always gives us a way
out of it. 

463
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,440
So, you know, I, I've started 
seeing more of like there's a 

464
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360
way out. 
Like we have the Holy Spirit, we

465
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,360
have his word, we have victory. 
Like Romans 6 talks about this. 

466
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,760
So it's almost like if you let 
that get get you down, it's 

467
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,480
almost like that's, that's up to
you because Christ has given us 

468
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,520
everything, everything we need 
in order to live a life free of,

469
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,760
of sin. 
And also whenever we feel that 

470
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,120
way, we have to start 
remembering, you know, like I 

471
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,280
think sometimes we have to 
preach the gospel to ourselves. 

472
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Thanks. 
Yeah. 

473
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Because he's, he's giving us 
away, man. 

474
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,640
He's like, just follow me and 
you're like, alright. 

475
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Because I'll be honest. 
Like there's there's been 

476
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,120
situations in my life where I'm 
like, what? 

477
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,280
And the heck is going on, right?
You're like, this makes no 

478
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,480
sense. 
Like it hurts. 

479
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:49,120
I'm in pain. 
I feel rough right now, like my 

480
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:54,040
mind, like I'm just, but there's
always something where I'm like,

481
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,520
I'm I never say Jesus, where are
you? 

482
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,000
I always say, Jesus, what are 
you doing? 

483
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,120
Right. 
He's with me. 

484
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,480
That's I will never like be like
God. 

485
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,640
No, I know he's with. 
But my question is like, Lord, 

486
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,320
what are you doing with this? 
Like what's the purpose? 

487
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:20,440
Is it something I messed up like
my sinful nature Did you know, 

488
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,240
because I think man, not every 
storm in life is from Satan or I

489
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,200
think sometimes God sends storms
and hard times to shape us like 

490
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,480
we talked about this. 
But but yeah, man, you went away

491
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,480
sad, you know, like he wasn't 
joyful. 

492
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,360
He wasn't like, well, oh, well, 
that didn't work, right? 

493
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,840
You know, You know, it's also 
sad, too. 

494
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
We never heard from him again in
Scripture, right? 

495
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Like that was something that hit
me like at the last song, I was,

496
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,480
I was just like, you know, like 
what? 

497
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,520
What happened to him, Right. 
Nobody ever mentions him. 

498
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,040
No historian Josephus never 
talks about like. 

499
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,400
So it's like he's no longer 
rich. 

500
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,720
He's no longer a ruler. 
He's no longer young. 

501
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,560
So everything that he has is 
hoping for that one moment in 

502
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,280
time is is gone. 
And Jesus was like, I'm offering

503
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,600
you something that will list 
forever. 

504
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,200
Yeah. 
So you chose a moment in time 

505
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,720
over eternity. 
That's crazy. 

506
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Real, real man. 
No, I'm just here to put that 

507
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,400
way. 
Just kind of put up another 

508
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:39,640
light bulb real quick play. 
It is irrational different, but 

509
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,960
that that's that's good, bro, 
man. 

510
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:51,640
So in that cost piece, it's like
the cost of following G and what

511
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,160
what is following Jesus cost you
like? 

512
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:05,880
Man, I think just following 
Christ has has really I'm not 

513
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,000
say cost, but it's caused me to 
like learn more into him force. 

514
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,840
Yeah, like it's it's of course I
get it. 

515
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,160
It's hard to talk about. 
I'm 43, right? 

516
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Like I got my call like in 2004,
like to ministry, like I knew 

517
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,480
God was calling me to something 
bigger. 

518
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
I gave my life to the Lord when 
I was 12 and then, you know, 

519
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,200
just searching, figuring things 
out, hanging out with the wrong 

520
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,600
people that I was cool and I 
wasn't. 

521
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,760
And finally it looks like the 
Lord honed in on me and said, 

522
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,520
you know, follow me. 
And, and what that cost me was 

523
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,720
everything that I was a part of 
at the moment. 

524
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,760
But here's the thing, it, it, it
wasn't sad like I, I wasn't, I 

525
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,440
wasn't like, I wasn't sad that I
had to give up my letters from 

526
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:04,240
the fraternity, which I didn't 
have to, but, but I, I was like,

527
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,640
I'm over it. 
I wasn't sad that I broke up 

528
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280
with home girl. 
I wasn't sad that I lost all 

529
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,400
these guys that were, they were 
my friends. 

530
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,520
None of that made me sad, bro. 
Like it actually, it, it was 

531
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,120
like, this is great, like this 
is the greatest decision. 

532
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,320
It I changed my major for 
college, you know, like, I mean,

533
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,760
my whole world was flipped 
upside down when when I 

534
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,400
responded yes to following Jesus
and it's been awesome ever 

535
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,160
since. 
So even though relationship 

536
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920
piece and all, I mean, I know 
that's a, you know, it's a hard,

537
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,680
but I just remember like being 
so focused on God and being so 

538
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,160
excited and like serving him and
even Bible studies and just, I 

539
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:58,560
mean, say no to things that I, I
would usually say yes to going 

540
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,560
to stop going to places that I, 
I would normally hang out at. 

541
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,679
Nah I don't see it as like, 
Dang, it, that cost me a lot. 

542
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:16,480
I see it as I gained a lot. 
So the cost I think is, is on 

543
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480
the flip side of ministry where 
there's a lot of pain. 

544
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,840
There's like like watching 
people run to land mines and 

545
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,719
they're not listening to you. 
And but that's that, that's one 

546
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,239
of the pastoral. 
But I know for some people, man,

547
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,199
they cost their family members. 
It costs. 

548
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,159
They're friends, you know, like 
you don't get invited to stuff 

549
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:40,800
as much anymore. 
You don't. 

550
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,679
But then the Lord takes that and
he replaces it. 

551
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,600
So, yeah, I lost these friends, 
but I gained all this family. 

552
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,639
Yeah. 
So who lost what? 

553
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,320
Right. 
You know, I it was nothing I 

554
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,560
actually gained. 
I'm good. 

555
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

556
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,680
It's fine, right? 
Yeah. 

557
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,440
Alright, man, so on. 
You know, you said you wouldn't 

558
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,960
say it cost you something it 
cost right. 

559
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,240
You know, it's like kind of bars
like. 

560
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:16,520
This set out to because. 
Yeah, man, so to that yeah 

561
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,480
segment my pastor got bars 
y'all, it's on. 

562
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,960
My mind, that's how I think of 
things. 

563
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,720
Like it helps me remember, 
right? 

564
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,080
A biologist, You know what I 
mean? 

565
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,880
But yeah, man, the I think it's 
the bar that went over a lot of 

566
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:41,520
people's heads. 
But yeah, man, I'm just going to

567
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,280
repeat it because it was it was 
fire to me, you know, especially

568
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,840
listening back to he's like, 
man, think about the things that

569
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,760
you do, do to get to do, do to 
get to God. 

570
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Those things are actually Doo 
Doo without. 

571
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,000
Drugs. 
That's right. 

572
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,000
Break that down from one that 
code from like. 

573
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,240
So that that's actually, it was 
funny because I, I caught myself

574
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,280
saying it like the things that 
you do do. 

575
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,320
Like I was like stuttering. 
And then I was like, wait a 

576
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,080
second, actually do do. 
Yeah. 

577
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,320
So it there's a passage in 
Isaiah that talks about like how

578
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,400
how God says that your, your 
righteous acts are nothing but 

579
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,320
filthy rags. 
To me, that term filthy rags, I 

580
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,840
mean, think of like tampon, like
it's just like toilet paper, 

581
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,920
like it is disgusting and God 
looks at you trying to do all 

582
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,200
this stuff for him being like, 
Nope, that ain't it. 

583
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,480
Those are like filthy. 
That's why I was like, man, it's

584
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,040
like nothing but do to the hand 
man. 

585
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,280
That's like and then I was 
thinking about what Paul says, 

586
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,600
like how everything in this 
world is rubbish. 

587
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,360
So following Christ, that word 
rubbish means crap, right And 

588
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,880
and Greek. 
So yes, anyway, that's kind of 

589
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,560
where it all comes to you. 
Far as bro, my bachelor got 

590
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,120
barred, so we going to keep it 
moving. 

591
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,000
So it was like something I'm 
glad somebody caught it. 

592
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,800
I I didn't catch it in the 
moment and I was going to be 

593
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,880
super, super transparent. 
And the reason I didn't catch it

594
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,840
in the moment is because I lost 
sight of like that example, the 

595
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,280
things that I do to try to earn 
quote, UN quote, you know, God, 

596
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,720
try to earn like the way I 
serve, bro. 

597
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,000
I was in the creative space 
trying to find this plug in for 

598
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,680
the MacBook so I can start like 
uploading photos and start like 

599
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,800
working on the content piece. 
And I couldn't find the, the 

600
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,920
plug in. 
And I'm like, you know, sorting 

601
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,880
through everything, like digging
through everything in the desk 

602
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,640
and in the space, I couldn't 
find it, bro. 

603
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,760
And I got, it's like I was set, 
bro. 

604
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,920
And I was like, man, I'm trying 
to get this done. 

605
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,320
Like, so you know, we can get 
this stuff out quick, like, you 

606
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,960
know, with wanting to do it to 
serve the church and to serve 

607
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,880
God. 
But for I literally got up, 

608
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,040
walked out the sermon and 
probably missed half of it. 

609
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,480
And finally, like sat there with
the way I was feeling and like 

610
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,760
trying to process it. 
And I was like, man, let me just

611
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,760
turn on this live stream. 
Like if I'm not physically going

612
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,440
to be in there, like, like, let 
me hear it, you know, like hear 

613
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,760
the word bro. 
And it is one of those things. 

614
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:20,400
It's like and then I come and 
it's like the the part of what 

615
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,080
we just got to surrender. 
We got to give it all and it's 

616
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,960
like it's something my sister 
asked me after the service 

617
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,760
because she just kind of saw 
like me mentally chewing on 

618
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600
something his Bros like 
surrendering even the good 

619
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,240
things too. 
Like that intention was good. 

620
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,520
Like what I was trying to do 
like was to serve the Lord, but 

621
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,600
like. 
It's like the story of Mary 

622
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Martha, you know, and, and Jesus
is like, I'm here like, like 

623
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,600
this is what's important right 
now. 

624
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Everything else can wait. 
And I'll be honest, like, I 

625
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,960
think that's something that I, I
felt convicted a little bit too,

626
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,440
even to the point of like 
getting everybody together and 

627
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,440
saying like, hey, yes, it's, 
it's great to do these things, 

628
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,520
but at what cost? 
The cost should not be missing 

629
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,560
God's word, you know, so we, we 
have to figure out better ways 

630
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,720
to like, like, like you said, 
like stuff can wait, dude. 

631
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:29,160
Like it, it, it's, it's OK. 
Like it could wait a day or, you

632
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040
know, now for it to wait three 
to four days. 

633
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,760
Like that's still like, alright,
bro. 

634
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,000
Like people will be like, what 
happened, but it could wait like

635
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,320
an evening, it could wait a day.
It could wait, you know, like 

636
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:48,160
your soul is more important than
any, any stuff that we do here, 

637
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,920
you know, and I, and I feel like
that honestly, that lands on me 

638
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,920
as a pastor to say, hey, you 
know, all this stuff is good. 

639
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,680
But if it's getting in the way 
of, of, of you taking in the 

640
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,560
word, then we just need to 
figure out new ways. 

641
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,800
We got to figure out ways to not
miss out. 

642
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,280
Yeah. 
That's real. 

643
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,480
And that's that's the sign of a 
great leader. 

644
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,400
You know, it's like in that 
situation to take ownership of 

645
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,800
it. 
But I got to be rude with myself

646
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,920
too, bro. 
Like I was wanting to get this 

647
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,120
done, you know, and I got to 
acknowledge that in myself. 

648
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,480
Like that piece, like at what 
cost? 

649
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,600
You know what I'm saying? 
To, to step out the sermon. 

650
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,040
And bro, I missed probably more 
than half the sermon for a bit. 

651
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,920
Yeah, and that that's not worth 
it, dude, that it's just not 

652
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,360
worth it. 
And it's also like a preparation

653
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,560
issue, you know, so mad like, 
like just making sure everything

654
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,600
is, is set up like batteries, 
like you have everything you 

655
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,800
need. 
But but at the same time, too, 

656
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,640
it's like it could wait. 
It really can. 

657
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,320
It could wait. 
Yeah. 

658
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,920
So so that just needs to be kind
of like, I guess it needs to be 

659
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,360
more spoken from me saying, hey,
guys, you know, it's, it's OK. 

660
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,840
You know, we'll be all right. 
That's real. 

661
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,560
Yeah, yeah, man. 
Well that ties into to the next 

662
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,720
like question is another quote 
from the sermon is Jesus is the 

663
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,560
only one who can satisfy our 
souls. 

664
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,680
That's right. 
You know, and the the question 

665
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,200
to that is what's something that
you turn to in the past for 

666
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,520
satisfaction And like even in 
that lane for me, what I do with

667
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,360
this camera, like that's kind of
always been something that has 

668
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,160
been gratifying to me, you know,
so in that moment, that's 

669
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
something I just lost sight of 
it. 

670
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,400
I was focusing like, let me 
knock out these photos. 

671
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,680
Let me knock out this video and 
run into that, bro. 

672
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,400
I missed out on the word. 
I missed out on a good word real

673
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,640
like as I went back and listened
to it again like Dang. 

674
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:03,120
I was tripping yeah, no. 
And I, I think for me in the 

675
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,040
past, like I've always been a 
people person. 

676
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,120
Like I love, I love being in 
like crazy environments. 

677
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,280
I, I don't mind, you know, like 
loud packed places. 

678
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:21,680
And, and for me, like I thought 
that was always like a fun, like

679
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,320
I, I would always start like 
seek that out, even to the point

680
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,360
of staying out way too late or 
putting myself in a situation 

681
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,640
that I, I shouldn't have been 
in. 

682
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Now my intentions were good. 
Like I never had the intention 

683
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,080
of, of like being part of like 
whether it's like a fight or 

684
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,120
just disorderly. 
And I never was me, but like me 

685
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,440
seeking that, the entertainment,
like me seeking that like 

686
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,760
environment and stuff it, it 
actually caused a hindrance to 

687
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,360
my witness and, and it just put 
me in bad positions, you know, 

688
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,920
like, like, what are we doing 
now? 

689
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,560
Like what are we doing for what 
you know? 

690
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,080
And then the next day I'm like 
worthless, like, you know, like 

691
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,840
I'm sleeping all day. 
And but that was, that was kind 

692
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,800
of like more. 
And that was even like after 

693
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,240
college, like it wasn't even 
like when I was young, young, 

694
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,840
you know, so, so I would always 
look for those types of things 

695
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,720
to, to try to find like, man, 
had a stressful week. 

696
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,080
Let me go. 
Just just blow it all out, you 

697
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:37,720
know, like I deserve it. 
Yeah, and that that never, never

698
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,000
satisfying. 
Sure, It's never. 

699
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,880
Satisfying. 
I mean, even even like when I 

700
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
was in college, like I was so 
busy. 

701
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,720
I was part of like all these 
organizations. 

702
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,960
So it was like Wednesday through
like Saturday, every single 

703
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,240
night I was out, like I could 
even tell you where right, you 

704
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,880
know, And then Sunday came and 
then Sunday was philanthropies. 

705
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,160
So we would be on another 
college campus trying to like 

706
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,720
raise money for some, right. 
I, I, it took me away from the 

707
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:07,720
church, Like it took me away 
from a calling. 

708
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,200
Like I was always gone and I was
always broke. 

709
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,120
It's like it was, it was like so
dumb, you know, like for what? 

710
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Right. 
Yeah. 

711
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,440
Jeez, bro. 
Well, another quote from the 

712
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,440
sermon, and this is like the 
last point I got is Jesus 

713
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,040
requires everything and point 
blank period breath like that 

714
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,120
prayer time at the end of the 
service. 

715
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,960
That's where I came back in 
'cause that that's where when I 

716
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,880
was watching the stream in the 
creative space is when you 

717
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,040
started that prayer, you know, 
and inviting people to come 

718
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,680
leave it at the altar room, like
really surrender. 

719
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,280
And in that moment, like, I had 
to talk to the Lord. 

720
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,520
And it was like, brother, my 
heart's tripping me. 

721
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,200
Yeah. 
You know, like, what is going 

722
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,600
on? 
Like, and I was tough, like, 

723
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,240
it's something I was struggling 
with for real, you know. 

724
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:13,440
So that's, that's one thing I 
surrendered at the altar on 

725
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:20,160
Sunday. 
And I'll be real, man, like I 

726
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,280
was kind of tripping, getting up
and seeing you next to me. 

727
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,360
Oh, really? 
Yeah, bro, like that's just not 

728
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,680
something I've seen you from a 
pastor in, in you know, like, 

729
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,360
for lack of a better term, like 
that quote UN quote altar call 

730
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,440
moment in the service, you know,
So Oh yeah, man, if it's 

731
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,840
something you would like to 
share on that's that's my last 

732
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,800
question is would you surrender?
Yeah, I just so there's a few 

733
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,360
thoughts that I've I've been 
having when I feel like there's 

734
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120
there's times like I feel like 
people want to go and pray. 

735
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,800
Like people are like, I think 
that they want people to pray 

736
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:01,160
with, but I think that people 
are scared and they're nervous 

737
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,960
because if somebody of course, 
like social media, like what if 

738
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:11,680
somebody takes a, a snapshot or 
a Snapchat of me or so it's a 

739
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,760
little, it's a little bit like 
intimidating. 

740
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,200
But also I think we need to lead
by example. 

741
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,480
I need to lead by example, like 
how going up for prayer and 

742
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:30,880
going up for response does not 
mean that you have nothing 

743
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,440
together in life or something 
wrong with you. 

744
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,880
I think it's a response to the 
Lord on how what he's stirring 

745
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,640
in your heart and what the Holy 
Spirit is giving. 

746
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,440
I remember like years ago, I was
wondering about like why people 

747
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,000
were hesitant to worship and 
really it was, it was just a lot

748
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,720
of people didn't really know. 
Like this is new. 

749
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640
So the same thing. 
It's like we need to lead by 

750
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,640
example. 
That's why we sit in the front 

751
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,320
because I, I feel like I need to
be the example. 

752
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,920
So whenever they called for 
prayer, I was actually going to 

753
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,800
go up there anyway, you know, 
like, so, so I was, you know, I 

754
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,800
was just like praying to myself.
So when I saw you up there, I 

755
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,880
was like, well, I was going to 
go anyway, you know, So I was 

756
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,440
like good timing and, and really
just just kneeling down. 

757
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,320
And it's something that that I 
felt like the Lord's been 

758
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:28,120
working on me for like 
surrendering and for giving up 

759
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,040
is this whole idea of boldness. 
Like I feel like I haven't been 

760
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:40,680
as bold as I should because I'm 
worried about how people will 

761
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,360
respond and because of what 
happened in the past. 

762
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,640
So, so I'm walking on egg 
shells, honestly, as a pastor 

763
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,520
and, and I've, I've, I've felt 
the Lord be more like, I need 

764
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,480
you to say this, like I need you
to say this. 

765
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,400
I need you to be more, I need, I
need you to be more bold in, in 

766
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,400
these areas of the church. 
So Sunday was one of those days 

767
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,800
where I just got up there and I 
was like, OK, Lord, like I'm 

768
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,840
ready to kind of move into a new
chapter of I'm, I'm going to do 

769
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,320
what you tell me. 
Yeah. 

770
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,040
So that's that's where that 
came. 

771
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,720
That's real, bro. 
Yeah. 

772
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,840
And man, that, that closing 
prayer, like that's what, what 

773
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,880
prompted, that's what the Holy 
Spirit used to like prompt that 

774
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,120
man. 
So like you're, you're leading 

775
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,480
and being obedient in that. 
And I just want to affirm you. 

776
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,240
And that was like you were bold 
in that time and a prayer, you 

777
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:41,000
were bold and like the intensity
and how you were teaching God's 

778
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,640
word even from the back end of 
it that I caught, you know what 

779
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,880
I mean? 
So I would venture to say that 

780
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,440
your teaching was impactful to 
everyone that was physically in 

781
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,160
the building when you were 
teaching, man. 

782
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,480
So I just want to encourage you,
bro. 

783
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,360
Like it's something I've said to
you before, like you're on a 

784
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,720
different level, bro. 
Like, and I've just how I've 

785
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,480
seen you grow and like the time 
I've known you and heard your 

786
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,880
teachings and gone back and 
watch the Youtubes and like, 

787
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,920
bro, God has his hand on you 
straight up. 

788
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,680
Like and you've been put in the 
working and you've been bold. 

789
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,560
Like yeah, man. 
So you saying that is like, but 

790
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,600
God is refining you to get you 
to another level still. 

791
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,840
Yeah. 
You know what I mean? 

792
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,680
I, I feel like there's, there's 
always like, especially when it 

793
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:33,160
went as a pastor and like, as a,
you know, you always like, 

794
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,520
you're always worried, not 
worried. 

795
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:39,240
But it's like, man, what if I 
say something and then people 

796
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:42,200
think I'm talking to them or 
they get offended or, you know, 

797
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,280
you just have all these little 
things that run through your 

798
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,040
mind. 
And, and I feel like the last 

799
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,120
couple of weeks, the Lord has 
been really prompting me and, 

800
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,680
and pushing me to more boldness 
and not just boldness and how I 

801
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,120
say things, but boldness about 
his word about holiness, 

802
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,760
righteousness about like playing
with sin. 

803
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,520
And, and I think, you know, 
where our churches is kind of 

804
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,240
lead to is, is that it's like 
this whole like, like we are 

805
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:17,120
dabbling in our idols and we're 
dabbling with sin and we're, 

806
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,080
we're playing with the world. 
And Sunday we look one way and 

807
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,560
then during the week we look 
another. 

808
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,360
And it's like, hold on a second.
And, and I just, I just feel 

809
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:33,240
like the Lord has been really 
pressing on me, like you need to

810
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:38,560
be more bold with my word and, 
and with my, you know, my 

811
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,280
commands and my, my statues and 
stuff. 

812
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,040
And of course that starts with 
me too. 

813
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,640
You know, I got to lead by 
example. 

814
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,400
So yeah, that's a whole nother 
thing too. 

815
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,880
Man well that's all I got bro. 
Don't know if you got any 

816
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,600
closing thoughts. 
Anything you want to share? 

817
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,040
Man, I, I just, I, I say this 
every week, but you know, the 

818
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,040
goal is I want people to feel 
encouraged, not, not 

819
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,280
discouraged. 
So like God's word, yes, it it's

820
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,440
very like in your face, but at 
the same time too, it's like 

821
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,280
man, who am I going to listen to
God or grandma, you know, like 

822
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,960
it's like, yeah, like like I 
love them both man, but one 

823
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320
create the universe. 
What cooks great. 

824
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,360
You know, it's like I got I got 
to listen to the creator of the 

825
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,480
the world. 
So if God's giving us something,

826
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,760
if God is telling us something, 
if he is, if he is like making 

827
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:38,120
it known, it's for your benefit 
to obey and follow and imagine 

828
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,560
like, and I think about my life 
when I said yes to him. 

829
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,040
I look back at my life, the 
trajectory like the adventures 

830
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,480
that I've been on, the amount of
like all the, the mission trips,

831
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,880
the travelling, the denials, the
all the, the BSM meeting rage. 

832
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,800
All of that did not happen until
I said, I'm going to follow you.

833
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,720
I'm telling you, man, there's an
adventure and following Christ, 

834
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:05,680
man, it is a great time. 
Like it's, it's pretty awesome. 

835
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:12,680
So follow him. 
Hey web, we lay out, we out. 

836
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,080
We out see y'all later guys.
