1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,280 City. Post What's up? 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,880 We back. It's so good to see you guys. 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,720 And it's good to be seen, you know what I'm saying? 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,400 My name is Hector and I'm here with. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Pastor Ricky, you guys, what's going on? 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,960 And it's another episode, first episode back on camera of build 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,280 equipment, man. I know. 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,600 And I'm sitting here, what a pastor that quoted a lot of bars 9 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,320 this past Sunday. You know what I mean? 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Yeah, man, I grew up with it. I was just saying, man, like I, 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,720 I like the like late 90s cousins, you know, as you get 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,560 older, I don't know if it's just I got old or the music got like 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,280 tastes changed. Yeah, It, it just became more 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,080 like hype rap, which is fine. You know, everybody's supposed 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,440 to turn out to about it. I'm I like lyrics, man. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,000 I like, I like listening. I like stories. 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,160 I like the way people mess with words and stuff like that. 18 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,200 So it's it's real cool. Yeah, man, it was really dope 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,160 for me personally, like, 'cause I always refer to you as my 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,879 pastor, homie, you know, And then like the, the quote is 21 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,160 like, 'cause when you break stuff down in the Scriptures of 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,720 like, bro, that's a bar. Like, like that's something 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,720 that's quotable or something that we can live by. 24 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,920 Like just your appreciation for the word, the spoken word in 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,440 various forms, whether it's the scriptures, whether it's bars, 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,840 you know, I mean, like this is you can tell it's influenced 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,840 you. Yeah, I know. 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,720 And it's like you want you want the scriptures to be seen for 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,480 people to like, understand what the word is saying, like where 30 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,720 it's coming from. And then of course, you speak to 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,000 your context. So I'm not going to go do that 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,720 at Prestonwood, you know, and that's the city post things. 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,240 But yeah, you know, when you think about like this whole idea 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,960 of conflict and beef, the first thing that kind of popped in my 35 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:50,120 mind was like battle rap, like like Biggie versus like Tupac. 36 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,520 East Coast, West Coast. Yeah. 37 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,040 Like that's that was the thing. It's like you just go after each 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,600 other, other 50 versus Ja Rule, Drake versus Kendrick. 39 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,040 You know, it's not really a battle, but like there's just 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,840 all these things that. There's I saw one behind the can 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,880 you know what I'm saying? #1 Drake fan so but like, I just 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,960 think of, I don't know when I thought about conflict, like how 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,640 rap like things that rapper said, like or hip hop artist 44 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:23,000 said that that dealt with it, you know. 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,200 And yeah, just this all this like nostalgia started hitting 46 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,880 me. So I was like, you know what? 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,000 This how I'm gonna start the sermon. 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,640 Hey, man, it's set the tone. I love when like people talk 49 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:39,400 back to you like in, you know, in the, in the, the sermon 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,120 itself and the service. Like I just love when people are 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,080 engaged. Yeah, you know, so it was one it 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,160 was dope hearing E with that quote. 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,040 I don't bust back because I was quoting that so much today. 54 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,760 It was just stuck in my head, you know, so man, but it, it 55 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,880 definitely brought that message of conflict like it, it gives us 56 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:05,760 a very visual representation of that man. 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,440 And that's something that the Lord is truly gifted. 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,320 You mean I don't know how you do it from donkey? 59 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,320 To. To Weezy, you know what I mean? 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Like, yeah, man, it's it's dope, man. 61 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,320 So from that sermon, like where did that come from? 62 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,840 What prompted that in the series for you? 63 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,560 Man, so as we were going through, you know, Fight Club, 64 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,760 you know, we looked at all of these battles like David and 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,760 Goliath and an Esau and Jacob and Jacob, the Angel and and 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Balaam and the donkey, you know, but then I was like, you know, 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,840 I, I think a lot of that conflict. 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Nobody ever talks about you versus you, you know, everything 69 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,400 is against somebody else, something else. 70 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,000 But what James is saying is when you look at fights and quarrels, 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000 like, where does all this fighting come from? 72 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,800 You got to look in the mirror, You know, like, people have to 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,880 start looking at why am I mad? Why do I want to box? 74 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,760 Why do I want to go after people? 75 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,360 And kind of like, what? And remember, he's talking about 76 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,960 brothers and sisters in Christ. This is James chapter 4, yo. 77 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,440 So it's really easy for us to use some of those like 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,079 narratives like, Oh, it's just mom with yelled at. 79 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,920 So I yell all the time or I I'm I'm streaming from hurt and all 80 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,760 these things, but he's talking about believers. 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,600 So Christ restored you. There's regeneration of the 82 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,560 heart. That means that that you have 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,680 the Holy Spirit. So if you have the Holy Spirit, 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,680 then where is this animosity and confidence coming from? 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,280 It ain't from God at all. You know, like, and all of us, 86 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,480 everybody even like pastors, you could, you could be the most 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,680 spiritual person in the world. Everybody has that. 88 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,720 Everybody fights with our sinful nature, you know, so that's, 89 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,200 that's where it like stemmed from. 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,680 And I just felt it was important, like, Hey, we, we got 91 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,200 to look at ourselves. Right, on that topic, man, I 92 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,040 know in previous conversations, like you've always said, when 93 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,640 putting these messages together, you preach to yourself first 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,600 like Holy Spirit is is coming at you. 95 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,160 What if you alluded to it a little bit in the message on 96 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,000 Sunday? But if you would you like to 97 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,520 dive a little deeper in like what that personally was for 98 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:23,440 you. Oh, yeah. 99 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Because as a pastor, something that I never faced until 100 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,320 recently, like maybe the last couple years is conflict. 101 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,240 And and if you're not careful, it could, it could develop like 102 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,680 a bitter root. And, you know, so you have to 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,080 start thinking like, OK, where did that come from? 104 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,320 Why did somebody come at you like that? 105 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,800 So, you know, first thing I checked my heart, like, OK, was 106 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,960 it me? And if it was, you always try to 107 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,600 reconcile. You always try to apologize. 108 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,080 You always try to make things right. 109 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,040 But if it keeps coming, then we have to be honest. 110 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,080 And it's like, it's not anybody. It's, you know, but nobody wants 111 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,760 to hear that, right? It's it's, it's everybody else's 112 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:07,040 fault. So for me, it just helped me. 113 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,160 I, I felt like we talked about grace. 114 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,480 It almost was like, like God showing his grace on me, on my 115 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,960 life. Like, you know, Rick, like this 116 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,280 is part of the gig, you know, like this is part of shepherding 117 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:22,680 people, You know, like sheep are going to run off, Sheep are 118 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:23,880 going to try to ram you in the shin. 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,880 They're going to poop at your doorstep. 120 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,120 It's like, so you, you have to, but, but you have to understand 121 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,840 the spiritual side. You know, it's not that they 122 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,000 don't like you, you know, like taking it personal. 123 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:42,520 It's because there's because of our sinful nature and because of 124 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,640 we live in a sinful world. That's that's a reaction out of 125 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,400 sin. So there's a spiritual side to 126 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,240 it. So for me, like this passage, 127 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,720 James four, it was actually extremely encouraging, man. 128 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,200 It actually comforted my soul to be honest with you. 129 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,120 I love that. Yeah, that's awesome, man. 130 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,680 And then you hit the the Derrick Henry, you know? 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,120 That's the farm boy, that street Trump. 132 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,920 Yeah, for real, man. Yeah. 133 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Well, I'm like, I'm going to take that moment to shout out 134 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,600 City Post like the body and all the members, bro 'cause that's 135 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,400 not something that's a common experience here, you know? 136 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,080 And for me personally, that's, that's an anomaly in church 137 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,280 experiences in church bodies that there's not petty conflict. 138 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,640 They're just outright for real, like physical conflict or 139 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,120 anything like that, man. So I just want to shout out our 140 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,360 church in and take that moment cause city post is really built 141 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,840 different. No, I agree. 142 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,800 The people here are just they're real. 143 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,400 Like I tell people like our church has real ones. 144 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,720 So you can't come in and and try that high school crap. 145 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,760 You know, like I remember there was a time where somebody was 146 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,000 going around saying like there's clicks and I was like, So what 147 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,840 are we like freshman in high school again, like we're all 148 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,760 like throwing up gang signs. Like there's no clicks. 149 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,440 You're just upset because you feel like nobody. 150 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,160 And I was like, no, that's not the case. 151 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,080 So you, I think if when people see that, they dress it really 152 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,960 quickly and and and they squash it, they squash it quick and, 153 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,880 and then it just stops. Like I think that's the thing. 154 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,680 It's like it just stops and then people don't dwell on it. 155 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,200 Like girl, you know what he said like none of that. 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,880 Like she's most cyclops, you know, like, right, it's squashed 157 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,560 and then we move on. It's like, man, we have too many 158 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,680 awesome things going on, right, doing all that. 159 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,600 So. Yeah, and there's no clicks, but 160 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,960 shout out to MSG boys. You know, that's not really a 161 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:36,440 man. It's the men in the church, you 162 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,200 know, like, yeah, man. It's just a group. 163 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,960 They kept together bro for real and it it started with a a laugh 164 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,400 around MSG. That's it dude. 165 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,680 Like MSG in football is really where that came. 166 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,920 Start with KFC and Chick-fil-A and pizza. 167 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,920 Yeah, and just ended up going. Yeah, that's right man. 168 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:03,480 But like, back to the conflict in the church's topic, man. 169 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,520 Would have been some experiences of church conflict for you in 170 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,920 the past. I know it hasn't really happened 171 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,960 much here. Yeah, but you know, you've been 172 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,120 a Christian for a minute, bro. Yeah. 173 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:17,280 No, I I've seen it and it's funny because it's gotten real 174 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:23,120 bad when it goes like unchecked where where stuff in the church 175 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,440 is happening, but it whether it's the leadership or the 176 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,720 pastor refuses to address it. And when it's when it does not 177 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,600 get addressed, it festers and then it goes, it's one of those 178 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,520 things like where people like, if I just ignore it, it'll play 179 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,360 itself out, which is not true, but that does not happen. 180 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,880 It actually gets worse me. So it must be addressed with 181 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,200 grace. And I also think having 182 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,560 spiritual maturity, like spiritual mature Christians 183 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:53,080 helps as well. But I've experienced times where 184 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,600 where it's just been like gossip, it's been pettiness, 185 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,720 it's been jealousy. I mean, like ministry, you know, 186 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,800 like I'm jealous of your ministry or you guys are are 187 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,840 growing, you know, like how come we're not? 188 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,240 And then it just starts. Yeah, it goes back and forth. 189 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,040 I mean, we were at a church, man, where this was years ago 190 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,160 before I felt called the pastor where our youth group man, it 191 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,680 was it was going great. And we started a youth worship 192 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:27,920 Wednesday night. And I don't know what it what it 193 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,760 was. The pastor just felt some sort 194 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,640 of way about it. And he's like, you know what, we 195 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,360 all need to worship together as a church. 196 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,000 So he broke it off day. And I'm like, bro, nobody's 197 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,920 here. No adults are here. 198 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,600 Like let us do our thing. Like kids are coming, you know. 199 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Yeah. So it destroyed that and and it 200 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,080 just it did, you know, And then there there was another time 201 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,800 where we were using youth to like serve with the kids, kind 202 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,520 of like we do here. And the pastor didn't like that 203 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,360 he didn't have enough people listening to him. 204 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,480 He felt like they wouldn't grow. So he's just a little bit booty 205 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,320 hurt that that he didn't have a a crowd, right. 206 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,160 And and we're like, yeah, but they're listening like they're 207 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,160 growing, they're learning, they're being developed as 208 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,000 leaders. Like it's a great thing. 209 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:22,160 And and he that got squashed. So like things like that, it, it 210 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,960 just destroys ministries. And I've just seen bad 211 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,560 leadership, you know, things managed not well, things not 212 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,800 managed in grace, not forgiveness. 213 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,200 I've seen people called out from the pulpit just just petty, 214 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,160 like, like by name, you know. Yeah, Yeah. 215 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,040 So it was grimy. It was not good, bro. 216 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,960 It's it was bad. That's tough, bro. 217 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,320 I'm trying to visualize that, yeah. 218 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,360 It's not good, man. I'm sorry, it might know, it 219 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,840 might know whoever it was, but they that's, I can't imagine 220 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,160 coming back to church after that. 221 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,720 No, it, it, it's embarrassing. Like even as a believer, you're 222 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,920 just like, what in the world is going on here, you know? 223 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,920 Yeah. And it's, it's sad. 224 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,440 It's not something to laugh about. 225 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,320 I, I think it's actually sad because those are the churches 226 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,160 that I don't know, like there's just no movement. 227 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,200 Like it's almost like they're just flat. 228 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,160 They're stagnant. They're stagnant, yeah, which is 229 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,800 not what you want to see. You want to see people come to. 230 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,840 Jesus. So right. 231 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,320 But yeah, man, hearing that takes me back to something you 232 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,840 were kind of describing on Sunday of like the toddler of 233 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,160 like mine. This instantly, you know? 234 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Yeah. It's like maturity. 235 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,960 Yeah, bro. But to to hear like that example 236 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:41,400 is like, bro, that that's tough. Yeah, but you know God uses 237 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,120 everything 'cause I'm imagine they gave you an example of how 238 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:49,040 not to lead in this. Position 100% yeah you know like 239 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,760 the before city post and I was just at a really toxic church 240 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,400 but we knew we were called there like Rachel and I were called 241 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,240 there we were called there to help and but man I just saw like 242 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,480 what not to do right so. Man, how did you all keep going 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,160 after that? Like you, you knowing that the 244 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,480 Lord is calling you there and it's such a toxic environment. 245 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,520 I'm imagining me, I'd be like, bro, like I'm out, I'm sliding. 246 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,600 Oh yeah, like what kept you going back? 247 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,200 Man, a few things, you know, we we knew God called us there and 248 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:29,680 when when it got to the place where it wasn't what they and 249 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,880 then you got to just to go back a little bit. 250 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,800 And when you look at Scripture, the Lord uses even disobedient 251 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,800 people for his will and ways. If it wasn't where I was at, I 252 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,440 would have never stepped out in faith to plant city pole church. 253 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:47,040 Like I would have never been pushed. 254 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,000 And it was almost like, because honestly, where we were at, I 255 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,200 remember talking to Rach and I was like, Hey, we're like, I'm 256 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,080 not raising my kid in this. This is not church, man. 257 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,560 Like this is, I'm not raising Elaine in this mess. 258 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,560 And, and we were going to leave and chill for like 3 months. 259 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:07,040 We were just going to go take a break. 260 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,600 We're going to go pray and see where the Lord LED us. 261 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,720 As once I made that decision, that's when I felt the Lord call 262 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,640 me to plant a church. And then I interviewed like 20 263 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,400 pastors because I was like, I don't know man. 264 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,080 I don't know if this is for real. 265 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,560 So I, I talked to a lot of pastors that I respect. 266 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,560 I just asked a lot of questions. So because I knew what this 267 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,200 meant, right? Yeah. 268 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,680 So that's kind of where it came from. 269 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Man that's dope bro. And that's a another example of 270 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,960 God just using a donkey. That's it. 271 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,880 Bro, that's a great way to do it and and you have to stick with 272 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,000 it. And that's why I tell people 273 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,920 it's like if your faith is in Christ, that's why I like man, I 274 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,920 don't get church hurt like I don't man. 275 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,440 Now, I'll, I'll get church sarcasm. 276 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,920 Well, I'll look at it. I'm like, dude, that's crazy. 277 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,880 But no, because my allegiance is to Christ. 278 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,160 It's not to a church. Jesus is always first. 279 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,440 So if, if I do get hurt in a church, if something does go 280 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,000 wrong, I'm never like I'm never going back to a church again. 281 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Like for me, that's crazy. It's like I'm never coming back 282 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,960 to this church. Yeah, I pray for y'all. 283 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,440 I'm out, man. Yeah. 284 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,280 So that never crossed our mind. It was just where does the Lord 285 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,720 have us next, right. And that was it. 286 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,680 Man, that's so dope, bro. Yeah, man. 287 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,680 So I know we talked about it a little bit on Sunday and, you 288 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,480 know, sharing these experiences now, I doubt we're the only ones 289 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,840 that have similar, you know, experiences with church 290 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:36,160 conflict, man. So yeah, like, what makes that 291 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,800 normal in church bodies? Like what? 292 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,560 How does that happen? Yeah, I, I think you got to 293 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:46,160 understand church is a body of, of believers, but I, I like to 294 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,160 say we're a bunch of unperfect people that serves a perfect God 295 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,800 born. Yeah, it's true. 296 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,480 It's like, yeah. So when you have all these mix 297 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,680 of people, you're going to have differences and that's OK. 298 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,960 You know, it's OK. So it's up to, I think it's up 299 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,360 to the pastor to to present God's word, to give his 300 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,120 revelation. And then that's going to help 301 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,920 people mature and grow into faith. 302 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,520 So whenever conflict does arise, they're going to know what to 303 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,240 do. Yeah. 304 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,920 And usually conflict that shows up is a lot of like 305 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,960 misunderstandings. It's just this high was raised. 306 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,560 That's how. That's not what I meant. 307 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Yeah. It's just a lot of 308 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,000 misunderstanding. Yeah, it boiled down to 309 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,640 communication. Communication. 310 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,520 It's going to happen, man. It's going to happen. 311 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,920 It's part of life, you know? You have to learn and even like 312 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,880 I will say this, if you're not a pastor, let's say like you're in 313 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,840 the business world, if you cannot deal with conflict, then 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:49,480 you're only going to go so high in your career because the 315 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,680 higher you go, the more stuff you get to step in. 316 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,680 So you have to learn how to manage it and have tough 317 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,680 conversations, but have it with grace. 318 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,160 You know that that Grace piece, man, that was, yeah, when I read 319 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:08,920 that, that I don't know that that just hit me like a. 320 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,599 Time man for real man, that's convicting hearing you say that 321 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,160 like especially in the business world. 322 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,240 And I'll just be honest with you and you know, viewers and 323 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,760 listeners, bro, like Holy Spirit checked me today. 324 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,920 Like it's been past couple days have been tough because we have 325 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,160 a big event coming on tomorrow. And this is like my first Test 326 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,760 with this new position at this new company, man. 327 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,560 And like Holy Spirit told me to fix your face, 'cause you're, 328 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:36,560 you know what I mean? Like. 329 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,160 You're not saying anything with your face is. 330 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,640 And it's just like, yeah, it's an uncomfortable situation just 331 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,480 because it's it's a different dynamic and it's hard, but it's 332 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,760 like, remember what you prayed for this morning? 333 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,000 You prayed to represent me here. And that face ain't representing 334 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,480 me here. It's not like that. 335 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,680 That's how you're coming right now, bro. 336 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,760 It is hot. I'm sorry. 337 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,000 Yeah, bro. So, man, that conflict is 338 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,240 everywhere internally, too. You know what I mean? 339 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,640 So. And you got to remember, like 340 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,440 things are, are spiritual battles and, and the goal for 341 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,160 the enemy is to pull you away from your purpose and the faith. 342 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,040 So things are going to come at you, people are going to come at 343 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,880 you. Like I said, you can use 344 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,000 anything, but God can use anything too, you know, And so 345 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,400 you always have to be ready. You always have to be ready to, 346 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,600 to give a word and to be the hands and feet of Christ. 347 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,760 So man, I, I, I get it, man. It's like sometimes, usually I 348 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,200 go for a walk. For real. 349 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,480 For real man. Yeah. 350 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,800 But man, back to the topic of, you know, conflict in the 351 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,080 church. What does the Bible say? 352 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,960 I know we spoke a little bit about it on Sunday if you want 353 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,560 to elaborate a little more. Sure. 354 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,800 So you know, we went over James chapter 4 verse one through 10 355 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,240 and in James 4 verses one through 5, it it talks about 356 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,680 like the cause of conflict. So where where does conflict 357 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,400 curls fighting? Like where does all that come 358 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,680 from when it comes to believers? And James says it comes from our 359 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:06,320 desires, which is our and and really the term is hedonism, 360 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,280 which is everything in life that's good and pleasurable is 361 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,520 the goal, right, which all of us facts. 362 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,400 We all want that, you know, Yeah, I want what's best for me 363 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,720 and my life and you know what's comfortable. 364 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,920 And I want what's best. And I'm not going to be willing 365 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,440 to weigh the cost because I want what's best for me. 366 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,640 And when you, when those desires go unchecked, then they birth 367 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,560 something. And that something is you end up 368 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,600 wanting to covet. And when you covet, you kill, 369 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,480 which is you just, you know, it's kind of what Jesus talks 370 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,480 about. And so all of that rises up. 371 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,840 So we see that in the Bible. But I will say we see examples 372 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,560 in Scripture, like in the book of Acts where Paul and Barnabas, 373 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:04,200 like, like they disagreed, you know, like there's disciples 374 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,440 that disagree with each other, even to the point where they 375 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,920 went their own separate ways, but they didn't hate each other, 376 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,760 you know, like they didn't go after one another. 377 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,600 They didn't, you know. Trash each other's names and 378 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,880 they're like, you go that way. I'll go this one. 379 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Shout out rush hour. We good. 380 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,480 So I think conflict is is normal. 381 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,400 It's just the way we handled it that we got to follow the 382 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,440 Bible's prescription. Do you think that church 383 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,160 conflict is something that's preventable? 384 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,160 If so, how? Yeah, I think yes and no. 385 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,520 I think the more the church grows spiritually, then people 386 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,360 are going to be better equipped to handle it. 387 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,960 So there's always going to be conflict. 388 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,760 I think that it's, it's just difference of opinion than how 389 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,760 you were born in this ABC and D, but it's how you react, how you 390 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,680 handle it. That's the difference. 391 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,680 So preventable. I think the more people grow and 392 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,840 and mature in the word, then yes. 393 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,160 But the less people grow, then it gets out of control, right? 394 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,800 And that's when splits happen. That's when fights. 395 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,200 So as to my understanding it, church conflict or conflict 396 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,760 within the body of Christ is inevitable. 397 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,440 Yeah. How do we address it? 398 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,480 Yeah, so it's kind of what we've talked about .1 like the heart 399 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,680 of the problem is the problem of the heart bars. 400 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,680 So I think the first thing we got to do is really look at 401 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,480 ourselves and say, did I do anything? 402 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,440 You know, I do anything to entice my brother or sister, you 403 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,120 know, so you always look at yourself 1st. 404 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,120 And then we look at in the book of Matthew 18 talks about 405 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:45,240 spiritual church discipline. So if there is somebody that is 406 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,320 in the church and doing some stuff in Matthew 18, it talks 407 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,360 about the first thing you do is you, you go one-on-one, you pull 408 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:53,560 them aside. You don't do in front of 409 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,040 everybody. Hey, this is what's happening. 410 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,320 What's going on? We have to stop. 411 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,280 All right, If that doesn't work, then the then the Bible says you 412 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,840 bring about two to three people with you. 413 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,240 So you grab about two or three witnesses, you address it. 414 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,720 All right, cool. Now if they don't do it still, 415 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,280 then you take it to the elders. You know, you go to the, I guess 416 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,080 the principal's office. You know how you can say you 417 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,800 take it to the pastor, the elders. 418 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,560 Now, if you if they still refuse, then the Bible says you 419 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,720 treat them like a non believer. So you let everybody know what's 420 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,920 going on. You address it with the whole 421 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,600 church and, you know, like you said, like you, you, you treat 422 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,200 them like they're not a believer, you know, so they're 423 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,160 welcome here. But if you think you're going to 424 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,440 serve like you think you're going to lead, yeah, no. 425 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,080 That's real. Bro, hey, man, I've heard 426 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,200 stories of pastors like churches that there's like there was a 427 00:22:53,200 --> 00:23:00,240 dude creeping like, like, you know, asking girls for numbers 428 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,200 DMS. And they followed this and they 429 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,560 got to a point where they had to put brothers like face and name 430 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,720 on the screens and they let the church know, hey, this guy right 431 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,960 here is up to no good. You know, like be aware, right? 432 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,440 And, and it protects your people. 433 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,640 So as a pastor, I got to protect the flock, you know, like like 434 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,640 first and foremost most, I got to protect the people of this 435 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,360 church. So when there is somebody that 436 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:31,800 comes in and I'm not, there's a funky like spirit or vibe there. 437 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:35,640 Like I'm going to go and check, I'm going to go and check him or 438 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,160 her and and ask questions and address like now what you doing 439 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,080 here? Like what's your story? 440 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,400 Tell me your testimony. Where are you from? 441 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,720 Like like just stuff like that. You just want to make sure. 442 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,320 So in just instances period of conflict within the Church, how 443 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,120 do we grow from it? Yeah, I think the way you grow 444 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,080 from it is you address the elephant in the room. 445 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,360 You don't avoid it. I think when you avoid it, it 446 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,360 makes it worse. So you address the elephant in 447 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,200 the room and then I think it's like it's worth kind of praising 448 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,600 God for the outcome. You know, it's like, man thank 449 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:16,040 God that for his word. Like we were able to follow it 450 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:23,560 and and there was reconciliation and man, like I'm so happy for 451 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,920 so and so I know if it was a year ago, he would have threw 452 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,920 hands, but he didn't. For real. 453 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,200 Yeah, that's I like, like that's gross. 454 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,960 Like, man, praise God that you didn't choke slam somebody. 455 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,440 Wait, a year or two ago you would have 'cause I shoot for. 456 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,440 Yeah, yeah, it's like so. So I think that's how you grow 457 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,920 from it. And then you address it with 458 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,600 your, your ministry leaders, right? 459 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,440 You know your leaders, you share it, you get it out in the open, 460 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,720 right? You don't hide stuff, man. 461 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,360 That's. Good. 462 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,720 Yeah, and you learn from it, you grow from it. 463 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,400 So that way when it does come again, hey man, look, we had 464 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080 this experience already and this is what we learned. 465 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,240 So it's it's AI think it could be a good thing? 466 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,240 Yeah, man. And then equipping your flock to 467 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,280 address it too, man. Have you ever had a conflict in 468 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,840 the church? Directly like me straight up. 469 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,080 With somebody. When I was younger, when I'll be 470 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,680 real enough, like I was just in a bad place. 471 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,120 Like I was at a place where I was just super rebellious and 472 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,840 like, I just want to smoke with whoever wanted it, you know? 473 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,760 Like, so for me directly, like no church conflict that wasn't 474 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,800 rooted in like, my attitude. You know what I mean? 475 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Yeah. So like, I'm man enough and 476 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,560 honest enough to admit that and proud to say that I've grown 477 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,880 from it. That's good, you know, man. 478 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:56,840 But it's tough, bro. It's tough, man, because I've 479 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,400 had it indirectly with people that I care for. 480 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,640 Gotcha. Be just other people, other 481 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,840 other humans that have seen and have their flaws and, you know, 482 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,560 serve a perfect God. And I've allowed that to man to 483 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,680 be super real hard in my heart to like the church family that 484 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,840 the Lord has taken me to and even more real to to harden my 485 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,000 heart and like not be as committed to my relationship to 486 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,200 the Lord and giving into my sin and different lifestyles and 487 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,000 doing stuff I noticed wrong and like to be super real being 488 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,360 given over to it. Like, you're not even having any 489 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:42,440 conscience about it, you know? So a lot of internal conflict 490 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,920 with the body of Christ and just my relationship with the Lord, 491 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,840 period, I think is the biggest underlying conflict. 492 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240 It's been struggles within myself rather than others. 493 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,800 Gotcha. Yeah, I mean, but that's exactly 494 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,720 why we talked about James. It's you verse you you know, But 495 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,840 you know, the good news is James doesn't just leave us hanging 496 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,600 with this is the problem, right? There's a but, you know, and the 497 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,640 but is he shows us how how it's fixed. 498 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,080 And I thought that was so encouraging. 499 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,760 You know, he talks about it's not just grace, it's more grace. 500 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,640 Man, when I read that, I was like, what? 501 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,840 That's it? And then I was like, what do you 502 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,480 mean? That's it? 503 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,200 He's like, that's everything. That's everything. 504 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,160 That's massive. Yeah, man. 505 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:29,200 Because it, and it's like we read like in Romans, I think it 506 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,200 was 520. And then Second Corinthians like 507 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,400 when he talks about like we have grace that we have for 508 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,160 salvation, that's Ephesians 2, right? 509 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,880 So it's by grace per SE. But then he's like, no, but then 510 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,680 there's grace on top of that. Like it's just like never 511 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,120 ending. So so yeah, there's conflict in 512 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:55,760 the church, but because we are believers, God gives us grace in 513 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,760 our mistakes and in our like I said, you can't out sin. 514 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,760 God's grace. It's impossible. 515 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,480 Yeah. And then he goes on to say, hey, 516 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,920 man, like resist the devil. Yeah. 517 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,360 So conflict is not normal like that. 518 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,000 God created it this way. No, like we're supposed to be 519 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,320 unified. And like I said, you know, unity 520 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,040 is not uniformity. So we all don't have to speak 521 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,880 the same, look the same, talk the same. 522 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,560 Dress the same. Yeah, that's weird. 523 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,040 That's called the cult, right? Yeah, man. 524 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,880 So it's, it's just that right there. 525 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Like he, he tells us, man, we have the power to resist the 526 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,600 devil. So when the devil comes, man, 527 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320 you have to resist. They're just like, all right, 528 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,960 God handle it. Nah, man. 529 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040 There's some things that I don't know. 530 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,600 The more I read this, like, the more that the series goes on, 531 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,600 like we got to get active, like we got to start, like man up. 532 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,960 Yeah, it's it's time to like fight, right? 533 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,880 Like it's time to fight back. Yeah, man, and it's gonna get 534 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960 harder. It is, and it's gonna get worse, 535 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,720 right? Look, I hate to say that. 536 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,560 But it's, it's the truth, you know, it's like the, the bigger 537 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,040 the impact that the Lord calls us to in this community, like 538 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,160 the more individual battles everybody's gonna have. 539 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,400 But that's the importance of the fellowship piece. 540 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160 That's the importance of having brothers and sisters that you 541 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,920 can lean on. It's like, bro, I'm struggling 542 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,720 with this, this, I'm struggling with this like man. 543 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,520 And that's what I love, love, love, love about this season 544 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,440 that City Post is in because this is the most unified I've 545 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,960 personally observed and experienced, you know, City Post 546 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,320 just just how like locked in everybody. 547 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,520 Is for each other dude. Like my dad, we were talking on 548 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Monday and my dad was just talking about how like after 549 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,360 church he was. He he was so blown away by how 550 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,880 everybody jumped in to help put those chairs out. 551 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,440 Like Monica and Rachel were like, hey, we want to use the 552 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,360 chairs in that room. Do you think you get some guys? 553 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,040 I was like, yeah, man, just let like wanting them know. 554 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,080 Like, man, dude, it, it was like ants facts. 555 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,920 Like it was done so quickly and so well. 556 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:12,080 And it was just really cool to see how many people were 557 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,200 involved and putting together that, that like Carla shower and 558 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,960 the joy everybody had and like helping, you know, I'm like, you 559 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,520 see this right here. Like that's true. 560 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880 Like you can't, you can't fake that. 561 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,920 Like nobody's a a paid event planner. 562 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,080 They, they do it because they love their sister, you know, and 563 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,280 I don't know, man, like we're just talking how cool that 564 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,000 looked. Yeah, and they hooked it up, 565 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,840 man, it was awesome. Like Monica said, we don't do 566 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,320 basic. You know, so like he said that 567 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,560 looking at at us, Yeah. But, you know, the the ladies, 568 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,280 these things a little different. That's right. 569 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,200 Yeah. I was like the fellas, we had 570 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,040 the football game and Michael hooked it up, man. 571 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,160 He made burgers on burgers. Like, we were good, dude. 572 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,360 Like, yeah. Guys don't do much, yeah. 573 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,720 They don't take much for us, you know what I mean? 574 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,480 So that's that's so true. But it, it was just really cool 575 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,840 to see how the whole church like jumps in and that's the heart of 576 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840 this church man, you know, like it's that servant, that servant 577 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520 heart that everybody has. So it's it's really cool. 578 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,400 And I'm imagine, I don't want to assume, I imagine that makes 579 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,480 Carla feel very like encouraged that everybody showed up for her 580 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640 in that way. And you know, imagine and I hope 581 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,760 she had a great time at the the her shower man. 582 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,680 But like you're saying, that's just our church, bro. 583 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,440 In my experience, that's not normal as unfortunately as as a 584 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,760 statement is that is with churches that that's not normal. 585 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,240 It's not and and and I'm going to say something that's a little 586 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,920 controversial. So if I get in trouble, 587 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,680 whatever, but I truly believe like as we pray, I always pray. 588 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,880 I was like, Lord, send us people send us, you send us people and 589 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,920 I believe that there's seasons that the Lord, I'm not going to 590 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,240 say removes people, but that that people exit so that his 591 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,840 will and purpose could continue. You know, so I've stopped. 592 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,080 I remember when we first planted a church as AI felt so guilty 593 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,680 when people leave and I would blame myself and I'm like, man, 594 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,480 what I do wrong? I jacked it up. 595 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,960 It's my preaching is awful. You know, I'm I'm boring. 596 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,080 I don't know, like you start saying all these things about 597 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,480 yourself and then you're like the what ifs, man, if we had 598 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,400 more money, we had this, we had that. 599 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,760 And honestly, dude, that's, that's such a selfish statement 600 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,280 because you are what you're telling God is that you're the 601 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680 one doing it, not him. And it's, and that's something I 602 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,120 had to learn. And I remember I got checked 603 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,000 early on, shout out Pastor Bart and he goes, it's funny how you 604 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,120 think that you're the one building the church. 605 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,040 And I was like, well, like, he's like, no, it's God. 606 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000 God is the one who sends people. And I was like, wow, that's so 607 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640 true. Man, shout out Pastor Bart. 608 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Yes, he hits you with that Wheezies. 609 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280 And I want to bless him back because, you know, we, we need 610 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,440 those in our circle like those drug wisdom, right? 611 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,720 And that are not going to pull any punches. 612 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,120 They're going to tell you, bro, you're tripping. 613 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,560 And This is why. Yeah, you know. 614 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,240 So if I look back and and and it's like, man, so, so and so 615 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,640 left and you know, it wasn't because like the word was not 616 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,200 being preached or like we're doing stuff biblically. 617 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,760 It was just like, it's maybe God has something different. 618 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,520 For. Them and maybe has something 619 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,560 different for us and that's OK Like people come and go. 620 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,920 It's all good, right, man? You know, So there's no, there's 621 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,960 no. Yeah, You don't feel bad for 622 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,400 that. Man, that's awesome, bro. 623 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120 Well, I know we're getting close to rapping man, and I'm a kind 624 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,160 of impromptu put you on the spot here, man. 625 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,840 But in in the spirit of, you know what we talked about on 626 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Sunday, the references, bro. And I always say my pastor got 627 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,240 bars. You got any bars for us like any 628 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,560 bars of wisdom, like any scripture, any like sayings, 629 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,080 anything for for us personally, your listeners? 630 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:15,040 I think something James talks about is after he says resist 631 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,320 the devil and he will flee, and then he starts talking about 632 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,480 wailing and like, man, those are all signs of repentance. 633 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,360 And there's a difference between repenting and feeling 634 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,480 remorseful. And when you feel remorseful, 635 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,280 you deal with conflict first before you deal with the heart. 636 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,719 And when you deal with conflict before the heart, then you end 637 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,920 up acting out of your feelings and emotions. 638 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,560 And then it goes back to hedonism because it's like, then 639 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,120 then your desires get stirred up again and you don't get what you 640 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,679 want. You didn't get the response that 641 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,960 home girl or homeboy and you're back at square one. 642 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,880 It it's a it's a terrible cycle. So when you're repentant and you 643 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,920 come to the Lord and you're like, Lord, I jacked it up like 644 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,880 I have sinned against you. This is what I did. 645 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,080 I need your forgiveness, you know, like like you just saying 646 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,880 it verbally, like, Lord, I need your forgiveness on this. 647 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,080 I am sorry. Help me fix it, you know, and 648 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,680 then you pray for the other person and you pray for your own 649 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,160 life. When you come out of that space, 650 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,200 then regardless of the reaction, you're not acting out of your 651 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,680 desires anymore. You're acting out of the spirit. 652 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,000 So whenever you you have like the spirit of him instead of the 653 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,400 spirit of the world like Jay at the end of James three man, 654 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,800 there's peace. So I'm walking away from this 655 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,520 thing regardless of the outcome or how I did what I was supposed 656 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,360 to do. I have peace in my life. 657 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,240 I sleep beautifully. Like I didn't even need 658 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,520 melatonin, bro. I just knocked out. 659 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,680 She has. Fired bro, have you not delete 660 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,000 out of melatonin? It's just like you're able to 661 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,440 rest in His grace and His peace because of repentance. 662 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,240 And then what does he say in verse 10? 663 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,920 He goes, when you repent, I will lift you up, man. 664 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,840 There's nothing better than knowing that God's going to lift 665 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,840 you up because you can't do it yourself. 666 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,400 You're you're crawling on the ground like like major pain. 667 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,600 I can't feel my legs. There's nothing you could do. 668 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,000 God is the one that does it. You know, I think that's what 669 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000 people have to understand. It's it's like man rely on on 670 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,640 the Lord and he will renew your strength. 671 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,600 So that's, that's what I got with that one man. 672 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,320 I was just thinking about like how how James ended and I was 673 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,080 like, man, that's the mistake that we make. 674 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,920 Bro, that's, that's so encouraging too. 675 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:46,000 It's just we go mess it up, bro. Like we are like we're, we're 676 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,400 human. Like that just happens. 677 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,400 And that's something that I know you say every time, like you 678 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,200 baptize somebody, but we just got to keep running. 679 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,560 Back to the you got to remind yourself, yeah, I'll be honest, 680 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,600 man. Like Sunday, that last song that 681 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,000 the worship team that that punched my soul in the face and 682 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,520 the stomach at the same time. Like it was one of those. 683 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,240 There was something about with with that song, man, that whole 684 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,600 heart, like the way Eric sang that bro, I, I, I just couldn't 685 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,440 stand still. I was like, man, I was like my 686 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,880 hands all the way up just in surrender, just as like, Lord, 687 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,080 whatever, I I just want to be in repentance. 688 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,640 I want to be free, you know? So yeah, man, it was good. 689 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,960 It was awesome. Bang man so real quick before we 690 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,400 close man I got this e-mail today OK, we got a lot coming up 691 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,920 bro. You want to give a lot of plug 692 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,120 in a lot of great things, a lot of. 693 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,640 A lot of opportunities growth. Man and a lot of growth like 694 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,080 within the church, like there's some stuff that's being unveiled 695 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400 for the the church man so if you want to. 696 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,040 Yeah, no. So I know this Friday we have a 697 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,640 retreat for creatives and worship team Man. 698 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,480 It's just going to be a time of encouragement. 699 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,640 You know, we're not going to sit around and like, do charts and 700 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,600 no, no, no. It's just taking in encouraging 701 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,560 one another, going to get hooked up with some some good food and 702 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,920 and then just have a great time. And then Saturdays are I serve 703 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Saturdays. So that one is where if you are 704 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,480 interested in serving in any capacity, show up and we're 705 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,800 going to talk about the church. We're going to talk about like 706 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,040 ways you could serve. We're going to talk about the 707 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,160 community and then we break off into teams and just talk, dream, 708 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,720 pray. We get plugged in with our 709 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,000 ministry leaders. Even if you come on Friday, you 710 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000 can still come Saturday. You know, don't, don't think 711 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000 it's, it's either or it could be both. 712 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,000 And you know, and then I know in October we have, yeah, October 713 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,040 5th, our next step. So if you've been coming to City 714 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,160 Post Church and you're ready to take that step of like deeper 715 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,720 commitment. So this is people have been 716 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,840 coming for a while. They just want to get plugged in 717 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,360 more. Some churches have memberships. 718 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,400 We just have next steps. So that's that's coming on the 719 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,080 5th. On the 11th, we're doing a 720 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,840 discipleship pathways. It's a Saturday, you know, so 721 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,440 I'm going to call the church. I would love 20 people that will 722 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,480 commit to discipling one person. That's it. 723 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,080 And we're going to talk about how to do and what that looks 724 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,640 like. And then on the 19th, it's a 725 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,840 Sunday, we're going to do a how to teach the Bible seminar. 726 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120 So a lot of people have been asking like, how do you do smart 727 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,080 group studies? What's inductive Bible study? 728 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,880 How do I do it? Well, we're going to we're going 729 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880 to do it right there. So these are just great tools to 730 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,440 equip people. So that way you, you go 731 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,720 anywhere, come on and be able to teach the Bible. 732 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,320 Yeah, curriculum. Like you have these tools in 733 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,120 your pocket. And and that's the goal. 734 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,680 But this is also the equip piece of our church, you know, build, 735 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:54,720 equip sand. Come on. 736 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,040 So it's time to start equipment. Yeah. 737 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,240 So a lot of great stuff. Oh, and in the new sermon 738 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,080 series. Yeah. 739 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,440 OK, For the love of money. Oh man, for the love of money. 740 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,800 Anyway, my bad. Yeah. 741 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,600 We had a House of love. That's right yeah, some of y'all 742 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:18,320 I didn't grow saving no so that the series is it's going to be 743 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,720 having a biblical relationship with money. 744 00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,680 It's not about you can make all the money in the world, but if 745 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,480 you don't have a biblical viewpoint of it, it's never 746 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,440 going to be enough. And you're going to make the 747 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600 same mistakes with it. So that's just something that 748 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,120 the Lord's been working on my life. 749 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,840 I just feel like, yes, we're just going to look at money from 750 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,800 the standpoint of the Bible. Jesus talks about money more 751 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,120 than anything. Yeah, it it's like one of the 752 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,800 most talked about subjects in the New Testament, you know? 753 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,400 So, OK, we're just going to address it, you know, and then 754 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,320 I'm going to ask the church to fund my airplane. 755 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,560 Now I'm lying so. Yeah. 756 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,440 But if we see some new rings on that, you know what I mean. 757 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,280 I just go to Kenneth Copeland's house, bro. 758 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,920 I just borrow his jet. No, it's just really that it's 759 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,920 that like relationship with money, you know, why do we, why 760 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,840 would we rather have elements of wealth than wealth itself? 761 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,720 You know, like there's this all these things that the Bible 762 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:22,120 shows us, like, you know, like you're trying to flex with a a 763 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,680 Land Rover, but you still have a landlord. 764 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,840 You know what I mean? Like, why? 765 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,960 So there's just all of these perceptions and the way that we 766 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,480 think about money that that needs to be. 767 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,600 I think we have to look at what Scripture has to say. 768 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:36,600 Yeah. So that's what's coming. 769 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,200 Man, it's a lot. It is a lot, man it, but it's a 770 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,680 lot of great stuff. Exactly. 771 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,480 You know, it's it's fun. Yeah, man. 772 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,120 So. A lot of opportunities to get 773 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,720 plugged in and man, it's been an episode of Build Equip saying we 774 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,600 let y'all we out. Peace bro, that was fire.