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This is City Post Church. 
We're about three things. 

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Build equipped and send. 
All under the Lordship of Jesus 

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Christ, a small church plant in 
Fort Worth, TX. 

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Who decided to do things a 
little differently? 

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Adoramos Ajesu Cristo I love 
city post because of the people.

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It's where I belong. 
We truly preach the word. 

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I love City Post because of the 
community we've been able to 

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build to do ministry like Jesus,
for light to push back darkness.

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This is City Post podcast. 
It's management. 

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You know what I'm saying? 
Like you get on stage and all of

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a sudden you, you think that 
because Julio got up here, sang 

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a couple songs, made himself 
look holy. 

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That's what makes him holy. 
No, but that that that is, that 

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is not the cold. 
Holiness is not image 

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management. 
Holiness is alignment. 

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Holiness is our ability to see 
Jesus, see the cross and say 

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that's where I'm going. 
Holiness is our ability to see 

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Jesus, to see the blood stains 
on the cross and say I want to 

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be there. 
Yeah, private lives and public 

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leadership becoming one. 
Holiness is character submitted.

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Holiness is a heart that's 
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Holiness, ambition crucified. 
Is that what I want? 

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It's not what I desire. 
You don't need tons. 

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I've said that you know what 
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Holiness is ego exposed and the 
sad part, sad part, and I'm 

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saying this with a lot of love. 
I've been in ministry for for a 

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long time. 
I'm very, very young. 

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I'm very young, guys, very 
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in the church, I grew up in the 
church, Hispanic church all my 

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life. 
And we see this in our Hispanic 

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community. 
Some leaders are trying to use 

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ministry to prove spiritual 
maturity, but ministry was never

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meant to be the evidence. 
Fruit was. 

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That's right. 
And so we tried to build our 

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churches and we tried to put the
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put the lights and put the TV's 
and put all these beautiful 

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things. 
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The evidence is how are your 
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They are assigned to you souls. 
How are those souls? 

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Como estan Las tan Las cersei 
Norte entregalen dos manos como 

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estan Las familias queso como 
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Los cantantes de trilesia El 
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una vadra. 
Except the mobius iglesia and 

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the God Estamos, it's just look 
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It's muy normal. 
But the reality is, the reality 

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is that all these things is with
our people and the lost souls, 

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because we come to Sunday 
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If that's what they're 
receiving, Does that make sense?

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I'm talking passive, right? 
Yeah, I'm probably leaders from 

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pastors. 
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OK, I'm, I'm going home 
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So you guys, this this is yours.
All right? 

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So I promise I was going back to
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the list. 
So here's the list. 

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Perfectionism, figures over 
functioning, applause, 

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addiction. 
Have a fixity, excellence. 

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That's validation. 
Have a fig leaf ministry as 

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identity platform dependency. 
If it's not me. 

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The face you make when it's not 
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Singing spiritual performance. 
No, I'm not going there. 

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No, you guys can't. 
No, I'm not going there. 

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Listen, not all excellence is 
rooted in health. 

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I'm not saying to I'm not saying
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Please, let's run after 
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Yes. 
But the reality is that what the

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world calls excellence, Jesus 
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And so it's time that the church
increases what excellence looks 

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like. 
It's time that we stop right 

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after what the world does and 
building, after what the world 

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does and what the world has and 
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What does that look like? 
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Oh, that's so good. 
I love it. 

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OK, second point. 
Second point. 

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Holiness creates wholeness. 
Write that down. 

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Holiness creates wholeness. 
Holy leadership without 

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wholeness becomes harsh. 
Have you noticed that holy 

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leadership without wholeness 
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Wholeness without holiness 
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But when holiness and wholeness 
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Leaders become trustworthy and 
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of God's presence, but only when
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And so here are 4 markers. 
I'm going really fast as I want 

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to get to a certain point and I 
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get to this point. 
Here are 4 martyrs, 4 martyrs of

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whole leaders, identity who know
who they are, the leaders that 

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know who they are, intimacy 
leaders who spend time with 

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Jesus, leaders who can, who you 
can trust and interdependence. 

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I love this one. 
Dependence leaders who work well

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with others. 
It's so good. 

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It's so good, especially if you 
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if you're just planting or if 
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Listen, these are the four 
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These are the four markers. 
All right, point #3 you guys 

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ready? 
Yeah, This one, this one, 

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they're all my favorite, but 
this one's my favorite because 

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this is often times overlooked. 
Specialty, specialty in creative

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spaces. 
This is, this is for the entire 

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church, right? 
It's for the entire of the 

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church, for the wholeness of the
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But in creative spaces, when 
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we're writing songs, we don't 
think about this. 

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Maybe we do, but hospitality is 
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I want to say again, hospitality
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Fragmented leaders use people. 
Fragmented leaders use people. 

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Whole leaders receive people. 
And so I'm asking you tonight, 

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I'm asking you tonight whether, 
whether it's you, whether it's 

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you seeing your volunteers on 
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team of volunteers, I ask you, 
do your volunteers, do your 

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pastors, do your leaders, do 
your worship pastors, do your 

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singers, do your musicians, do 
your ushers, whatever it is that

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you that you run at the church, 
Do they feel seen? 

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Do they feel safe? 
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This one's good. 
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This one's even better. 
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Yeah. 
Or do they merely feel 

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scheduled? 
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they serve, that isn't ministry.
If your team only matters Sunday

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morning, that's not ministry. 
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they answer the phone, that's 
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Ma'am. 
Cuentos Bezos. 

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Montgomeries. 
Cuentos Dias cuantas ordas de 

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ricas ES forsas cuantos momentos
either repente not see this it 

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doesn't not see this croquete. 
Are you not generacion Y cuando 

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de generacion? 
I'm sorry for the ones that 

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don't understand what I'm 
saying. 

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I just feel like I need to say 
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I truly apologize. 
Do you want to try and say, 

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yeah, do we have another 
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one? 
She's a professional translator.

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It's a cheat code yo. 
I feel that it's a generation. 

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I. 
Want to say generation? 

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I'm not. 
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always say the new. 
Generation it's. 

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Like a 60 year old not talking. 
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Talking about hearts, I know 
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Celanovia este cin manchas. 
For the bride to be free of 

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Clanesh. 
Sina Rugas. 

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Free of any Broncos. 
San Double I believe. 

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I see it when I go to States and
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I see the hunger. 
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The desire and the generation to
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I see the hunger. 
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To be better worshipped. 
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And so I believe that in this 
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generation that desires to be 
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cost, regardless of what we have
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Go. 
Whatever it takes, I want to be.

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Whole I. 
Want to be whole. 

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I want that. 
Deep and Fruto, then yours and 

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me. 
And me be the fruit of God and. 

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Me. 
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to be the fruit of God, not what
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Other but. 
That the fruit and. 

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Nothing. 
Be birthed and born. 

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I know and I can feel it. 
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the second atom surrendered 
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The other one I'm sore with. 
Doesn't matter what you bring, 

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what you. 
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Doesn't matter what your past 
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taking place. 
Lucas Angel. 

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What you've done? 
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Or we haven't. 
Or what I said. 

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Today. 
El what I said El Pinder via the

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ground for two rocker senor care
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It'd be the first day of that 
great fuchsia when the Lord has 

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for you. 
We no longer have to leave 

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covered. 
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important in the Hispanic 
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Listen to me, this is very 
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We we all grew up. 

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At least I did just. 
Don't talk about what happens in

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the house. 
And ESTA and ESTA. 

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I think that at this stage that 
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place where we no longer have to
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The church does not need more 
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pastors or talented. 
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Church needs prepared people, 
but it also needs holy whole 

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leaders who can steward the 
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ministry to hide. 
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us to leave this place with just
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some of the things that we've 
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just systems issues, they're 
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process issues. 
It's a hard issue. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
And if we spent the last half 

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hour exposing fig leaves, it 
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leave this place still wearing 
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Do you agree? 
So instead of asking you to say 

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them out loud or respond 
publicly, I want to invite you 

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to respond honestly in writing. 
I already said this like 3 

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times. 
This is my favorite part of this

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preaching. 
You know, teaching exercise. 

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This is what I do every single 
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I spent countless hours of 
studio time, countless hours 

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trying to really hear what God 
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It's his pride. 
And this method and this thing 

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that God has put in my heart to 
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Y'all, It's beautiful. 
And so you've seen what we've, 

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what we talked about. 
You have it in front of you, 

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you've brought it and you've 
written it down where everybody 

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has a notebook and A and a pen, 
correct? 

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Yeah. 
For the next 60 seconds, I'd 

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want us to really confiscate and
really think about these fig 

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leaves that we may still have in
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I want us to really think, I'm 
going to put, I'm going to put a

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62nd timer. 
I'm yo, I'm serious. 

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This is what I do. 
This is what I do. 

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And for the next few moments, I 
want you to resist the urge to 

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manage the room. 
I want you to resist the urge to

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fix my microphone and maybe fix 
the keyboard because it's too 

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loud or I want you to resist the
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Don't lean, Pastor, I'm watching
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Don't lean. 
Don't analyze. 

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Don't perform. 
Listen. 

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Don't prepare your next meeting.
I see you. 

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You're thinking about tomorrow. 
Don't stop. 

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Just be pressing right here. 
And for 60 seconds I want you to

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sit in silence. 
And I want you to think about 

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these stickies. 
And then we're going to do 

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another exercise. 
Sounds good. 

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Here we go. 
That's kind of odd for great. 

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It was meant to be. 
It was meant to be. 

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It's all part of the plan. 
All right, for our second 

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exercise, everybody thought 
about their fig leaves. 

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Everything came to mind. 
Holy Spirit helped us. 

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I I really truly believe that he
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But for this for for the next 10
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to do and this is what I do when
I get into the studio and I want

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and I need direction. 
I want you to write honestly. 

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I want you to grab your notebook
in your pen and I want you to 

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write on this. 
No one I need and I need this. 

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No one is going to collect this.
We're not going to go outside 

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and bring this. 
We're not going to, you know, 

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frame this on a no, nobody's 
going to collect this. 

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This is going to be between you 
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I'm going to give you a couple 
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choose one. 
I want to choose two or three or

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four. 
One sounds good, but I still 

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want you to write all the 
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with your leadership team, your 
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your deacons, you guys ready and
and paper in hand. 

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All right, here we go. 
They're going to come up on on 

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the street so you can write 
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The first one is identity. 
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become a covering instead of an 
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Identity. 
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become a covering instead of an 
offering? 

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All right, the next one, 
performance. 

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Where have I used ministry 
performance to compensate for 

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private emptiness? 
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performance to compensate for 
private emptiness? 

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All right, third one, intimacy. 
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encountered God without needing 
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Intimacy. 
When was the last time I produce

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something? 
Next one. 

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Hospitality. 
Have I treated people as son? 

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Have I treated people as sons 
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It could also be brother and 
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Have I treated people as sons 
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sister, or as solutions? 
All right. 

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The next one, Repentance. 
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Repentance. 
What do I need to confess 

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honestly before God today? 
Repentance. 

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What do I need to confess 
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And the last one. 
I'm sorry if I'm going fast. 

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I apologize for the last one. 
Here we go. 

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Surrender what fig leaves am I 
ready to remove? 

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Surrender What fig leaves am I 
ready to remove? 

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You guys let me know when you're
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Everybody good? 
Yeah, No. 

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Maybe you can cheat. 
Look up at your neighbor's 

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notes. 
It's OK. 

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All right, so here's the fun 
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Here's where it gets good. 
This is this is what I actually 

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do in the studio. 
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Grab one of those prompts. 
You choose, you choose. 

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I'm not going to tell you which 
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And I want you to write. 
I'm going to, I'm going to put a

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10 minute timer, 10 minute timer
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But listen to me because this is
this is where the great songs 

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come out. 
This is where the the, the 

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really good, really good, good 
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Don't think about the prompt. 
Read the prompt and just start 

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writing. 
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The goal with this exercise is 
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and your mind completely, that 
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just don't have anything else to
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Usually when you get to minute 
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When you get to minute 8, you 
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And all of a sudden, all of a 
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Spirit starts helping, and you 
start writing words that you 

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didn't even know that you had 
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And so I want you to grab a 
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You have 20 seconds. 
Just think about a prompt. 

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And I'm going to put a timer of 
10 minutes. 

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And they're right. 
Sounds good. 

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Don't stop writing until you 
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Sounds good. 
You ready? 

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Everybody ready? 
Yeah. 

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All right. 
Here we go.