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City Post. 
What up with it? 

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We back My name is Hector and 
I'm here with. 

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Is this Pastor Ricky? 
How is everybody doing? 

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And we're back with another 
episode of Build Equips, and 

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it's the title of the podcast, 
but most importantly, it's the 

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Michigan. 
Of church, That's right. 

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A little recap from the 
haymakers the Holy Spirit was 

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giving us. 
On Sunday, bro. 

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That living in the Spirit sermon
was one that I know I sorely 

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needed. 
So you know that that was a, it 

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was a powerful sermon to prepare
for when you really dig into the

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Holy Spirit. 
And even for myself, like, if 

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we're just being honest, because
I've had, I've had people tell 

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me like as a pastor, they're 
like, man, like we just would 

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like a church that's more 
spirited or we don't feel the 

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Holy Spirit here. 
Or so when you hear people say 

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stuff like that, it kind of 
tends to play games. 

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And I mean it, it plays with 
your mind a little bit. 

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And, and I know like I got to a 
place where I was, I was like, 

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man, am I not like, am I 
disconnected? 

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Am I like, because our church 
isn't like jumping and, and all 

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that stuff that people want to 
see and, and like what, like, am

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I doing something wrong? 
And I, and I'll be honest, 

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that's something I struggled 
with for a while. 

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So when you start to like study 
the Holy Spirit and when you 

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start like jumping in God's 
word, it's like, no, that's not,

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that's not the purpose of it, 
you know, And so it was, it was 

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almost like preaching to myself 
a little bit like, or a lot of 

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bit man preaching to myself and 
just talking about what does it 

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look like to live in the spirit?
And then, you know, we, we have 

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the gifts of the spirit where we
haven't even like scratched the 

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surface and that yet, you know, 
so we haven't even talked about 

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healing and and tongues and you 
know, languages like we haven't,

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we haven't talked any about on 
any of that stuff yet. 

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But I think, like I said, before
you could, Ron, you got to be 

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able to walk and The Walking is 
understanding. 

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Was the, you know, Elohim, Yeah,
the Holy Spirit of God. 

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Like, you know what? 
What does that mean for us? 

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So yeah, just throwing that out 
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Absolutely, man. 
And it was one of those, for me 

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that was reminiscent of a 
conversation we had after a 

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sermon at the beginning of the 
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Bro, it's like it's just a 
different level like like 

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you're, you're at you're, you're
deeper in that relationship with

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the Lord and the Holy Spirit, 
bro. 

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And it's coming through in the 
messages, right? 

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So this time I want to encourage
you in and you know El Espirito 

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Santos was moving at the end 
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The. 
Spanish and the, the invitation 

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bro, like that was, that was 
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experience. 
You know, man, cuz we, we see 

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who our neighbors are, we've 
seen them at the trunk or 

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treats. 
We've seen them come to 

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different events and that is who
our church has been planted in 

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the midst of man. 
So it's awesome to see the Holy 

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Spirit engaging them. 
As well. 

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And, you know, like something I 
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was having a conversation with 
my sister about this. 

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I felt like after the sermon, 
there was like a sigh of relief.

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Like I, I, I don't know, like I 
felt this like, I feel like, you

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know, our church, every church 
has its own personality. 

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Every church has its own vibe. 
Every church has its own style. 

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And what makes a church a church
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Everything else can be learned. 
Everything else could be 

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cultural. 
Everything else can be a 

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subjective. 
Like the way Eric leads worship,

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you know, he, he sings, that's 
who he is. 

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He's not up there yelling at 
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lit with it and jumping around. 
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It's just not who he is, you 
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Holy Spirit is not present. 
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of where a lot of especially in 
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also like in the Puerto Rican 
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a little bit more like when I 
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just, they're more excited about
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But there's also a, the cultural
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those things, then like the 
church, like the Spirit's not in

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the church. 
And that's not what Paul shows 

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us. 
You know, so in Romans 8, Paul's

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like, no, no, no, no, like if 
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spirit in you. 
So you're that that's a spirit 

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filled church. 
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got to get over. 
It's like, it's not about what 

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what you would look like. 
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bearing. 
And that's, that's a whole 

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another. 
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conversation. 
I said, like, I know a lot of 

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people who could run around, 
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their marriages are trash and 
they're living in sin and like 

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they struggle and like their 
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And you know, like, so we, we 
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don't equate certain things 
like, let's just stick to God's 

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word. 
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I'm laid back dude, too, man. 
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Ricky, you don't yell, you must 
not have the spirit or you're 

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not operating in the spirit. 
And I'm like, yeah, man, I get 

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that. 
But that's not who God made me. 

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So I'm going to operate and who 
God made me, you know. 

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So anyway, off the soapbox, I 
just want to throw it out there.

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And I don't know, like the Lord 
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know, and I just felt like it 
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And on Sunday, I, I don't know. 
I just felt like a huge sigh of 

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relief from a lot of people, you
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Right. 
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So whatever. 
But whatever side you land on, I

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just felt like people just felt 
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Like, OK, I am a believer. 
You know, like that's yeah, man.

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And that's that's what we're 
we're called to do is to point 

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people to Christ. 
That's it. 

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Yeah, you know, no matter what 
they look like, no matter what 

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their worship styles like, no 
matter, you know, as long as 

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we're down with Jesus, bro. 
That's right. 

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Like everything. 
Else, right? 

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The gospel's got to be the 
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everything else will will come 
about. 

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That's so true. 
And everything else is just it's

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just a little extra seasoning. 
That's right. 

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That's just a song. 
Yeah, that's it. 

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Yeah, but but on that topic of 
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before we started recording you,
you mentioned the reference from

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first John, if you want to share
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Of course, this is something I, 
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You know, when we, when we talk 
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talk about like what the Holy 
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And you know what the point is, 
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you know, verse 6-7 and eight, 
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one who came by water and blood,
Jesus Christ, He did not come by

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by water only, but by water and 
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And it is the Spirit who 
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the truth. 
For there are three that 

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testify, the Spirit, the water 
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in agreement. 
So we accept human testimony, 

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but God's testimony is greater 
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God which he has given about his
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And whoever believes in the Son 
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You know, So what we see in the 
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Spirit, everything about the 
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people to Jesus. 
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Spirit, then you should talk a 
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it's not, it's good to have a 
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or a healthy view of theology 
where you talk about the Father,

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the Son, and the Holy Spirit, 
not one more than the other, but

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all of it leads to Christ. 
So you talk about the Father. 

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Well, Jesus says, well, if you 
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like, come on, you look at me. 
But then when you talk about the

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Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is 
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You know, so it they all work in
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because they're of the same, you
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put it all points to the sun. 
I think one of the best ways I 

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heard it was like, you know, God
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plan work and the Holy Spirit 
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But it's all that same plan of 
redemption, the redemptive work,

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you know? 
So yeah, it all, it all works 

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together. 
Yeah man, that's the power of 

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the Holy Spirit most right 
through through it all man 

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through our church, through 
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through fellowship, through 
vacation Bible school is a lot 

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to get it to man so excited to 
to share the what the Holy 

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Spirit's doing in our church 
with our youth and adults, which

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that's. 
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Cool a cool wrinkle that I've 
never deserved in vacation Bible

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school man and I'm I'm excited 
for our community to pull up 

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man. 
So with a city post church's 

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first vacation Bible school, 
bro, how you feeling? 

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Like what as sitting as the 
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you've come from this rec 
background and you've worked 

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with you and that? 
What's it like to be sitting 

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here as we're a couple hours 
away from launching our first 

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vacation Bible school? 
Man, I'm, I'm just thinking this

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is, this is so cool. 
Like it really is. 

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It's awesome because this is we,
we've never had space to do a 

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vacation Bible school and, and 
we've never been really set 

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inside of a community. 
You know, we've always met and 

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so we've always done stuff at 
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been where the church was 
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So to have a vacation Bible 
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invite like we passed out like 
400 Flyers the other day, you 

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know, like to invite our kids 
like it's, I don't know, man, 

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it's exciting. 
And I also see every time you do

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something of the first time, it 
builds a foundation for the next

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year and the next year and the 
next year, you know, So for me, 

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this is, it's, I don't know, 
it's like, it's, it's joyous, 

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like it's really cool. 
And then there's something about

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serving together as a church, 
you know, everybody's playing a 

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part in it. 
We're all working together. 

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There's just something about 
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That's just a lot of fun. 
That's kind of how I'm feeling 

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right now and. 
It's cool to see how many people

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showed up to serve. 
Yeah, that's. 

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Exciting dude to serve together,
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I'm excited for Juan and Connie.
You know, those are that's a 

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couple that have become really 
close in friendship with me 

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having some conversations with 
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I'm excited for them. 
I'm excited for Michael. 

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You know, that's teaming up 
together with like the games 

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with all the kids after, you 
know, our experience in India at

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the home and kind of observing, 
you know, to to be completely 

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real, observing some excellence 
in in teaching, in teaching and 

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like engaging the kids with the 
games. 

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Like what what your mom and 
Estevan and yourself and your 

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dad like the example we were 
given in India was huge, bro. 

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And like they set a pretty high 
standard that I know we're not 

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going to live up to, but we're 
going to try to like to to 

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implement some things that we. 
Got to start somewhere, you 

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know? 
That's right, yeah. 

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Man, so excited about that bro. 
But for those who may not be 

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familiar, may just not know, can
you define what VBS is, what it 

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isn't? 
Kind of what that looks like 

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here. 
Yeah, no, I think that's a good 

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question because this is this is
the the VBS for a lot of like 

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first time people. 
So what vacation Bible School is

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it's usually like a week like 
maybe like 5 days out of the 

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summer. 
It's always done in the summer 

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and usually done in the 
evenings. 

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Now if you're like a mega 
church, you know, we have stay 

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at home moms and stuff like in 
the burbs, then yeah, you could 

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do it during the day or in the 
morning, but usually done in the

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evenings. 
You invite the community and and

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really the focus are the kids. 
It's about like inviting the 

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community and everybody splits 
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You know, there's, there's 
recreation, there's games, 

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there's snacks, there's arts and
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The teachers like teach at their
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together, minister to each 
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community, you know, because it,
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community to like come into the 
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basis where it's not as 
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It's like it's fun. 
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you know, it's kids, right? 
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organized, right? 
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prayed over. 
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discipleship of our kids, but I 
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disciple those who join in on 
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join in on his work, our kids, 
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childcare. 
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opportunity just to like, I'm 
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And also there's a lot of people
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hey, I'm going to take my kids 
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this church and then we'll go to
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just now, man, let me get a few 
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and drop my kids off. 
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fun, man. 
It's a safe place. 

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Like some churches have massive 
budgets, right? 

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about. 
You know, we just want to focus 

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on the community and then of 
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That's awesome, man. 
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especially after our meetings 
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mission and who we're we're 
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that word targeting, but who 
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from, you know, 3 and 4 year 
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and even adult classes, which is
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different. 
I've never experienced that. 

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I've never. 
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the importance of that range? 
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classes for the adults as well, 
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that? 
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important because you're, you're
the teachers. 

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Everybody's learning the same 
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But the teachers are crafting 
the way they teach and their 

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crafts and the sessions 
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So you don't have like a bunch 
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kindergarteners, you know, 
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will get frustrated and the 5th 
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there's too many like little 
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different. 
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much as possible. 
And then those kids build the 

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relationships with those leaders
so they get to know them 

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stronger, they get to know them 
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You know, we get the addresses 
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So even after VBS, we'll go like
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how how can we minister to the 
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So yeah, we'll go visit them, 
meet the parents. 

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The adult class I think is 
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They can grow too, you know. 
And then the Spanish, like our 

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neighborhood is predominantly 
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parents. 
Lot of the kids talk English, 

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you know, most of our church, 
their generation. 

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to connect with us, man. 
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That's huge, bro. 
And then like, I love the, the, 

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the point of, you know, 
following up with the kids after

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vacation Bible school and doing 
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And man, that's in my opinion, 
that's something that's lost in 

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today's church because I 
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it might not would pop up at the
house and like, sit down, chop 

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it up. 
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was like, Oh, it's cool. 
We had people over. 

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But now as I'm older, as like, 
man, like these are 

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relationships that my parents 
built with people in their 

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church and people that are 
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really care enough to come check
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So that's, that's something 
that's reminiscent of that, you 

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know, like that is church that I
grew up in, but also like that 

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experience and seeing it first 
hand and how city post does it. 

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When we went to India, bro. 
So it was like that, that 

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intention in reaching the 
community. 

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I think that's something that 
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doing from what I've observed in
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Yeah, I mean, you have to, I 
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And what's missing is presence. 
And when you have an attraction 

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or model of church, you focus so
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And the question you ask 
yourself is, how do we get 

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people in here? 
You know what? 

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We had better singers, better 
lights, better servants, 

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programs, all this stuff like 
dude, that might get people in 

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the door, but it's not going to 
sustain. 

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And then you have to like 
maintain that. 

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But if you thrive off of it's 
not about programming, It's not 

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about all this stuff. 
It's about introducing people to

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Christ and building those 
relationships. 

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I think one of the things that 
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culture is this art of like, 
hey, man, you want to go grab 

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coffee sometime? 
No serious. 

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Like if you ask anybody, people 
ask me like, how do I get 

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involved? 
I was like, man, here's somebody

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new from the church. 
Go invite them to dinner or like

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go take them out for coffee, 
bro. 

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It's like deer in headlights. 
You mean, I got to, I got to 

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talk to somebody. 
I don't know. 

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I was like, how is that any 
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Like, like that's what the 
church does, you know, it's 

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relationships, man. 
It's getting to know people you 

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don't know. 
Yeah, so I do that all the time,

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man. 
I, I was like, hey man, let's 

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hang out, let's go get some 
tacos or something. 

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Or, or some people are extremely
busy, so they only have like an 

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hour at lunch or 30 minutes, 
whatever it is. 

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And I'm, I'm also, I, I think 
it's important that you meet in 

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person. 
Texting is great, phone is 

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great, but I think humans are 
meant to have a relationship 

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with each other face to face. 
So it's, you know, I asked a lot

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of these guys, like how many 
people from the church have you 

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gotten up to? 
Like, hey man, let's go grab 

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lunch. 
Yeah, it's not, man. 

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You don't have a bunch of people
saying, oh, I'll do it. 

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Like, oh, man, that's, that's, 
that's the vulnerable part. 

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That's the vulnerable part. 
Yeah, 'cause what if it goes S? 

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What if I don't like them? 
Why they don't like me? 

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Like it don't matter, you know? 
Yeah, oh Holy Spirit, they foot 

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on my neck right now. 
Bro, I think, I think not just 

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that piece and we're just going 
to go on another trail here, but

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I think that in ministry, when 
you are walking with the Lord, 

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when you're learning, people 
don't, people don't learn from 

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each other. 
Like this is something I learned

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early on, man. 
I would meet with pastors and 

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just ask questions, pick their 
brains like, man, how long have 

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you done this? 
What's something difficult? 

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How do you know? 
I'm called the ministry? 

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What do you, what are you 
preaching right now? 

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How do you do sermon prep? 
What I've seen is opposite. 

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I've seen, I've seen people do 
that and all they do is talk 

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about themselves. 
So like you, you're sitting 

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across somebody who's been in 
ministry for like 20 something 

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years and all you're doing is 
talking about all the stuff that

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you're doing. 
Sheesh. 

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Like, like you're trying to like
get likes or something, but 

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that's the culture. 
Man, come on. 

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We're in. 
We're we're always there are 

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insecurities we're always 
looking for like, but imagine if

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you had just brothers that you 
would like, man, can I, can I 

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invite you for cough just for 
one hour? 

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Like I just want to learn from 
you. 

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I want to hear from you. 
Like, I don't know, man. 

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There's just something real 
powerful in that. 

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I'm a big butt lever in that. 
I think everybody should have 

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people like that in their lives 
that you could learn from. 

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That's real. 
But you need that, those 

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relationships. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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And that's something for myself 
that I just need to be more 

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intentional and yeah, you know, 
and getting to know more of our 

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church family, like just the 
people that the Lord has sent 

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here, bro. 
That's real, man. 

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Yeah, I'm telling you, I, me and
Ray tried having a conversation 

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the other day and I was like, 
man, I never would have dreamt 

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in 100 years to have the 
relationships I have with the 

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people at this church. 
Like it's awesome. 

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Like I'm like, where was Monica 
eight years ago? 

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You know, I mean, like, where 
was Gavino? 

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Where was like, where were all 
these these brothers, John, like

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guys that are like super close 
to our family? 

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Like, man, why couldn't I met 
them 15 years ago, You know? 

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Like, it's just like, I'm just 
blown away by the relationships 

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that we have, the times we we're
having together. 

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Like, I almost get emotional 
about it because it's like, you 

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just don't know, man. 
You don't know until you invite 

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somebody to your house or hang 
out with somebody you know. 

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Man, that's that's super real, 
bro. 

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Yeah, the the group of guys that
I've become, like my brothers 

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here, started from an invitation
to watch a football game. 

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That's all it was. 
Yeah, dudes just being dudes, 

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being silly, chopping it up, 
cracking jokes. 

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Right. 
You never know. 

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And even like there's times 
where like when when we meet 

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people from the church, I'll be 
like, man, I would love I want 

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to invite the mower. 
And it's not because I have to 

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like I work your past. 
You're supposed to hang out with

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people. 
No, I don't, I don't got to do 

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anything I don't want to, right?
That's like, I don't have to 

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invite hang out with you. 
But it's like, man, I my 

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curiosity, like man, you just 
seem like an awesome person. 

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Like, I want to get to know you,
you know, And we do that with 

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people all the time. 
Man, that's awesome, you know? 

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Like it's, it's cool. 
They. 

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I'm just saying. 
Little side quest conversation. 

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If you listen to this at your 
ministry, you need to find 

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people that you could ask 
questions and let them pour into

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you. 
I don't care if you play guitar.

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I don't care if you do graphic 
design. 

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I don't care if you sing. 
Find other people that have done

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it longer and better than you 
and just learn. 

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That's all I'm going to say 
about that. 

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So if y'all know anybody that 
play with these cameras at mega 

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churches, a connection would be 
appreciated. 

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Google for real, go to staff 
listings, find the e-mail. 

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Hey bro I would love to hang 
out, can I come to your office? 

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Go get some coffee. 
I've done that many times, so 

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let's see. 
See. 

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Look at that. 
Look at that. 

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It's curious. 
Yeah, for sure. 

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But you know, back on the topic 
of VBS and our church community 

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coming together and serving and 
the excitement aspect of what 

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City Post is doing, are there 
any, what's the word like things

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to look out for during VBS? 
Any anything that we should keep

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our eyes open to? 
I think that's, yeah, that's 

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great, especially for us that 
like we're doing this for the 

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first time. 
We have a lot of first time 

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teachers and I think you need to
gauge how do we measure success?

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What does this, what success, 
success look like? 

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And if we put success in 
numbers, we're going to be 

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disappointed because we don't 
know. 

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So I think three things. 
And because I'm a pastor, they 

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all have to start with the same 
letter. 

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So I don't forget. 
But I think you have to watch 

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out for discouragement. 
Like I'm thinking there's going 

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to be 50 kids and only like 10 
show up. 

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The discouragement is not that 
10 that 50 didn't show up. 

445
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,840
The encouragement is that I'm 
being obedient and whoever's 

446
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,840
here, we're going to rock it 
with them. 

447
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,040
So the Lord knows. 
So don't be discouraged based on

448
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,640
who's here and who's not. 
Don't disengage with the 

449
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,400
community. 
We, we have a tendency like when

450
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,120
there's new people, we have a 
tendency to like stay in our 

451
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,000
groups. 
So if you see somebody new, try 

452
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
to bring a man, hang out with 
them. 

453
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,880
Don't disengage and don't 
disengage this because you don't

454
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,760
know Spanish, man. 
A smile is the universal 

455
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,040
language. 
And then the last thing I'll say

456
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,760
is delayed preparation. 
I think it's dangerous. 

457
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,760
So when you think of like, it's 
just VBSI could wing this, no 

458
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,080
big deal. 
Just a few kids, man. 

459
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:52,200
God honors preparation. 
And if we have a body and we 

460
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,920
have people that do not prepare 
well, then God's not going to 

461
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,560
bless it. 
So we we have to prepare, 

462
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,240
whether it's two kids, three 
kids, 30 kids, whatever amount 

463
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,920
of kids are in your classroom, 
you prepare like the best that 

464
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,720
you can and, and the Lord will 
honor it. 

465
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,680
And then, you know, you learn a 
lot, right? 

466
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,160
You get ready. 
So I think those are some things

467
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,800
that you have to watch out for 
that you don't want to let bring

468
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,680
you down, discourage you in that
nature. 

469
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,440
Yeah. 
That's awesome, man. 

470
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,920
A little convicting too, because
I kind of like crammed for this 

471
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,280
one with this game. 
This game. 

472
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,600
So like Holy Spirit, no punches 
this week. 

473
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,080
I see No, but that's that's real
man. 

474
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,080
That's that's that's real 
guidance in from your 

475
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,040
experience. 
Yeah, like I said, and those are

476
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,760
my experience because I've done 
that, like I, I have delayed my 

477
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,560
preparation. 
I thought I had it where I'm 

478
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,800
like, man, bro, I just throw 
some games together, no big 

479
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,280
deal. 
And next thing you know, kids 

480
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:50,840
get hurt. 
It's a mess. 

481
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,120
What happens if you prepare a 
game for like 20 and only like 

482
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,120
5, right? 
What are you going to do now? 

483
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,920
You know, So the planning is 
important, right? 

484
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,840
Yeah. 
Absolutely, man. 

485
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,800
So that was some things to look 
out for, whatever, like some 

486
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,640
great things that you know, you 
think would be encouraging to, 

487
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,520
you know, our staff team, kids, 
listeners, parents, whoever. 

488
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Man, I think there's nothing 
better than serving Jesus 

489
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,960
together. 
Like there's just something 

490
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,000
about serving Jesus together as 
a church. 

491
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,760
A lot of people coming home from
work life tired. 

492
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,600
And it's like when you get 
around everybody, it's there's 

493
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,480
an excitement, right? 
It's fun, it's reviving to the 

494
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,400
soul. 
So I think serving together is a

495
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,760
big plus. 
We're going to get to meet new 

496
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,880
people, meet the community, meet
folks that we've never met 

497
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,760
before. 
That's it. 

498
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,880
That's, that's always exciting. 
And then this is what builds the

499
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,120
community of a church. 
When you serve together, it 

500
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,160
brings you closer. 
So after this week, the people 

501
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,480
that I hate to say it this way, 
it's like you weren't there, so 

502
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,280
you missed out. 
There's a little bit of a 

503
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080
cohesiveness for those who came 
together. 

504
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,800
You know, it's that that living 
on mission, you could say. 

505
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,240
So that's the fun part for the 
church. 

506
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Like, yeah. 
And then it's walking in 

507
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040
obedience. 
That's the biggest thing, right?

508
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,720
God put us here. 
Right. 

509
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,840
How are we going to reach the 
community, man? 

510
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,240
BBS is one of those ways, right?
And then a few weeks, we're 

511
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,440
going to do a movie night. 
Come on. 

512
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,960
You know that's gonna be fire, 
bro. 

513
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,880
Yeah. 
Like it's like we're just always

514
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,640
figuring things out. 
Like asking the Spirit to lead 

515
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,920
U.S. 
Open doors, opportunities to 

516
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,280
lead people closer to Christ. 
Man, that's huge bro. 

517
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,960
And it's a quote one of my 
homies, Kyle and Lewis Moore, 

518
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,920
TCU's last Rhodes scholar. 
Bro, there's a difference 

519
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,480
between being present and being 
a presence. 

520
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,400
That's I think this vacation 
Bible school, what we're doing 

521
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,600
with the movie night, what we've
done in the past with like the 

522
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,680
toy drives and things like that,
like City Post is becoming a 

523
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,960
presence in this community, man.
And I'm excited to see who God 

524
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,720
sends us and how it continues to
grow. 

525
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Yeah, I I agree. 
And, and being a presence means 

526
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,040
that we're moving in like we're 
not, we're not going nowhere. 

527
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,040
And we're, we're going to 
continue to do things with 

528
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,920
groups and orgs. 
And because if we're honest, 

529
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,040
man, there's like churches, you 
know, around us down the street 

530
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,920
that they could do stuff right. 
But I think what separates us is

531
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,520
like the message of the gospel. 
So clearly that that's kind of 

532
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,520
where a heartbeat is. 
So figuring out ways to go to 

533
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,200
people and bring that message to
them, you know, and in that way,

534
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:38,880
you know, get disciple them, 
grow them, grow together. 

535
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,440
So excited about that, man. 
It's going to be cool. 

536
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,760
Yeah, me too. 
Well, that's all I got about 

537
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,960
VBS, bro. 
So yeah, one question, what's 

538
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,360
rule #1 about Fight Club? 
Snap, don't talk about Fight 

539
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Club. 
Yeah, man, I'm excited, bro. 

540
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,360
If you want to want to break 
down, I'm excited to. 

541
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,880
Talk about Fight Club, yeah. 
To go back to like India and 

542
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,760
like, people were asking me, you
know how I felt about going. 

543
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,440
I was nervously excited about. 
Going to India because I. 

544
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,560
Didn't know what I was getting 
myself into. 

545
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,880
I had an idea and I just knew 
Holy Spirit was going to move. 

546
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,280
That's how I feel about this 
sermon series. 

547
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,120
I'm nervously excited because I 
know like God is going to bless.

548
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,480
Us through it. 
Bro, if like the Living in the 

549
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,760
Spirit sermon from this past 
week was like the however, like 

550
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,320
Paul uses like that transition 
point from one series to the 

551
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,040
next, bro, he is not pulling no 
punches. 

552
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,880
Or like Auvino said, he was 
looking for the GIF in Rambo 

553
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:36,960
where he's like with the 
machine. 

554
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,720
That's how the Holy Spirit's 
fighting to be at us, bro. 

555
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,440
At least that's how well I think
so I'm. 

556
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,720
That's all right. 
Yeah. 

557
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,600
No, it's it's man. 
I was just praying like, you 

558
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,320
know, we we went through the 
gospel and talked to all the 

559
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,600
elements of the gospel, of 
course, ended in like, this is 

560
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
what it looks like to live in 
the Spirit. 

561
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,280
But I was just kind of praying 
about like, what's next? 

562
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,720
And yeah, we're about to get 
into a sermon series called 

563
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Fight Club. 
And, and I don't know what like,

564
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,840
I don't know, I was just 
thinking about it. 

565
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,600
So we're going to look at like 
fights in the Bible, like, you 

566
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560
know, and let's just start 
thinking about like my wrestling

567
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,600
days. 
And but I truly believe that 

568
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,960
there's lessons in in fighting. 
And when you look at specific 

569
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,840
fights in Scripture, I think 
that we find things that God 

570
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,440
does in these these. 
And so, yeah, I'm excited. 

571
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,040
I don't want to give out too 
much, but that's kind of the 

572
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,000
whole purpose. 
So it's like, you know, this 

573
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Sunday, David versus Goliath, 
you know, for the heavyweight 

574
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,480
title, it's a yeah, you have 
this, this young boy that's 

575
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:45,600
about to fight a nine foot 9 
inch, you know, monster like 

576
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760
why? 
Like what, how how does that 

577
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,840
what went down? 
You know, why did it go down and

578
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,720
and there's lessons and all 
that, you know, we're talking 

579
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,080
about when Elijah fought 450 
prophets of bail handicapped 

580
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840
man. 
Yeah, that's right. 

581
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,320
It's like, yeah, it's gone. 
You know, how did he do it? 

582
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320
Why? 
What was his attitude toward it?

583
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120
But I also think I want to just 
take this from from my boy Mike 

584
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,680
Tyson. 
Everyone has a plan until you 

585
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,800
get hit in the face. 
And so when I think when we talk

586
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,400
about fighting and fighting with
the Lord on our side, the Holy 

587
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Spirit, but also looking at 
fights where people have lost 

588
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,960
because they didn't have the 
Lord, what can we learn from 

589
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,560
that? 
Because everybody has a plan to 

590
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,200
get head in the mouth. 
That plan goes away real fast. 

591
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,400
That's kind of where we're 
going. 

592
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,320
You know that the next 10 weeks,
it's going to be great. 

593
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,680
OK, so I bring in a mouthpiece 
to church on Sunday. 

594
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,080
That's what that sounds like to 
me. 

595
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,440
OK. 
Yeah, we got to talk about some 

596
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,880
squabbles. 
That's right. 

597
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,320
And fighting is is something 
that it's in our human nature, 

598
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,600
you know, like there's a lot 
that we could learn from 

599
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
fighting. 
And I think that the Lord shows 

600
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,280
us a lot about it as well. 
So it's going to be good. 

601
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Man, I guess I'm bringing the 
boxing gloves to the next Bible 

602
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,600
study. 
Bro, let's go. 

603
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,920
But that's all I got bro. 
Know if you got any closing 

604
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,400
thoughts if you want to close? 
Up man, closing thoughts. 

605
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,200
You know, I just want to 
encourage everybody to enjoy the

606
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,520
last couple weeks of summer 
before school gets started. 

607
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,720
It's been a good one. 
Make sure you get some rest. 

608
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,760
Make sure that you take some 
time for yourself. 

609
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,560
Get that self-care in there. 
It's important. 

610
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800
So yeah, I just know there's 
there's a lot of hard working 

611
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,680
people in our church and I just 
want to make sure everybody's 

612
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480
able to take some time and come 
back stronger. 

613
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,400
So make sure you take care of 
yourselves. 

614
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,600
That's all I got. 
Yes, Sir. 

615
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,280
We love y'all we out. 
Peace.

