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You're listening to the identity
of the center podcast, this is 

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the show that talks about 
identity and access management 

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and making sure you know who has
access to what let's get 

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started. 
Welcome to the identity of the 

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sender podcast. 
I'm Jeff and that's Jim a gem. 

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Hey Jeff. 
How are you not so bad yourself?

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Good good. 
I really realized today. 

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I'm one of those people one of 
those people. 

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Yeah. 
One of those people who is in a 

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conference session and the 
presentation is available for 

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download and I take pictures of 
the screen pictures of the 

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slides that it could be 
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We talked about this on Friday 
to yeah I know we talked about 

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it but I'm I'm one of those 
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So what I'm going to do nice 
going, we should probably 

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explain what we're doing. 
We are at the Gartner. 

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I am Summit 2022 in Las Vegas, 
which is hot outside, she's 

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right. 
Fortunately is not quite as hot 

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inside although you know me, I'm
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So I've had my fan on and full 
display in several instances 

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this morning. 
Yeah, I saw you sweating and it 

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was like, 72 degrees inside 
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I'm an indoor cat. 
I like cool weather. 

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Yeah. 
Well, we are Fortunate that in 

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this sweet. 
It is very cold. 

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It is it is our recording studio
for the next couple days and we 

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are very lucky to have it. 
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Thanks to our friends at RSM, 
they hooked us up with a suite. 

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We have a nice quiet place to be
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So yeah, it's pretty cool. 
We have this sweet, so, thanks 

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Artisan. 
It's a sweet, sweet, sweet 

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sweet, yeah. 
And thank you. 

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That is right. 
This isn't terrible. 

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Fantastic. 
And I don't think we'd be able 

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to record Podcast the way we 
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And yeah, today we're just going
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Yeah, talk about. 
Kind of what we saw heard 

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experienced all that good stuff.
The intention is for us to get 

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this out recorded. 
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Monday evening, and my goal is 
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pushed out tonight, or tomorrow 
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Tuesday, the 23rd. 
So, we'll see if that happens or

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not. 
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give her. 
My high-level feeling is just 

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this, One of the best I am 
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I've ever been to a part of that
is that I was just so excited to

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be back. 
Seen people in person and I saw 

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so many people from my different
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and access management one of 
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when I was at Allied Bank and 
like the guy who was in the 

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trenches with me, Shri Nika 
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So I got to see him again. 
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since we saw each other. 
They're so, you know, that's a 

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personal item, but I mean 
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everybody's kind of experiencing
this as seeing people, they 

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haven't seen in a while. 
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experience. 
I think it's interesting, you 

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bring up Blast from the Past 
because I'm gonna introduce Our 

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Guest who is somewhat I haven't 
seen or really heard from and 

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probably like a decade or so, 
her name is Rosa black. 

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She's the manager of I am at 
sidley, Austin. 

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Welcome to the show. 
Rosa. 

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Hello, thank you for having me 
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Thank you for being here and R 
sharing a microphone so you know

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we are working out the Kinks in 
this first episode so you'll 

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have to bear with us if we are 
kind of figuring things out but 

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we have a tradition around here 
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appears on our episode on our 
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their identity background and 
how do they got into identity? 

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So is identity, something that 
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I'm going to say, it shows me so
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I got my start in identity about
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thanks to Mr. John Steadman, 
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at Walgreens together, that was 
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a job in the identity group and 
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And I said, sure, so I kind of 
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security and working on the idea
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more like an escape from the 
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I think, is the way that I would
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yes, we do go way back. 
We had a really great team there

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for several years. 
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just kind of level set from the 
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Operational creating IDs, ID 
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Mainframe rack F. 
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work on? 
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also seeing that audited 
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So if you don't use your 
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disabled it, but we had horrible
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So we'd always disabled people 
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like hey I can't get into my 
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was manual back then we had no 
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We'd ever need tools. 
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one. 
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Want to do the Unix tickets 
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not Unix as400 that was the 
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nobody ever wanted to grab 
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our our main as400 person, and 
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who is willing to like, learn 
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identities on that. 
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What do you think about the 
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have, you been to a partner 
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I have not actually. 
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actually great experience. 
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speaker, This morning. 
Mary I cannot remember her last 

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name. 
She did an excellent job warming

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everybody up. 
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welcoming everyone back. 
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been to a corner conference day,
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Organized. 
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It is very nice here. 
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tomorrow actually, but my advice
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time would be just go to all of 
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you're into, it's all about I am
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nice to know that there are 
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Me, I didn't realize there was a
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talking about it all day long, 
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So there are a lot of 
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talk to and just interesting 
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perspective on these topics. 
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That that keynote speaker is 
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it was a really great keynote as
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Like, we talked about last week 
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don't necessarily have to be 
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process and technology that we 
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And I I'm right. 
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you to think about bigger 
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was around the idea. 
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this, I am space for people 
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I am so, yes, of course, as well
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especially over the last couple 
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Not only, you know, from the 
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other issues that have been 
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people kind of being like, you 
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kind of I'm going to date myself
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kind of the attitudes and look, 
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social issues are not something.
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being raised with a different 
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perspectives on, you know, their
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there are some people who don't 
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workplace and then there are 
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don't even want to work here for
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those issues. 
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what was brought up in that 
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know, to think about that and 
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Because if you're leading teams 
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know, you're going to face some 
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her talk was called how to 
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so freaking tired. 
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that it. 
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interesting was it really you 
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show was it seems to me like the
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on people and The Human Side of 
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I think just business In 
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know, she gave a great a great 
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the Nuggets that I took out were
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We get lost in this like oh we 
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transform, blah, blah blah and 
all that stuff doesn't make any 

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sense in the real world. 
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don't say dumb down but simplify
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communicate. 
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is that you do, or what is the 
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the problem, you're trying to 
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time and it's just not going to 
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Gout yeah, digitally transform 
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transformation was a word that I
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cycle digital transformation, 
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specific meaning because I see a
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me I always think of digital 
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using that term relative to 
managing I am for the workforce.

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But to me, it's a term that 
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customer side where you're 
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around, I am. 
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we've gone to Market with this 
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Engagement or, you know, 
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So it could be various websites 
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business. 
That could be a nap. 

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It could be, you know what? 
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But then the idea of digital 
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that together. 
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perspective, you've got the data
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the identity layer. 
Yeah, I would agree, she touched

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on a lot of good points today. 
And she talked about some just 

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general management points to and
how to talk to your people and 

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not being toxic, toxic 
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I think was the term she 
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She said it, you were like, oh 
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time like well, Least, you know,
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being more sensitive to your 
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their emotions and what they're 
going through and like, you just

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mentioned. 
We didn't we didn't do that 34 

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years ago that wasn't you know 
unfortunately your dog died. 

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It was like, I'm sorry get back 
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Now it's like you're more than 
welcome to take the afternoon 

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off if you need it. 
Let me know if I can do anything

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but I think we all need to 
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to everybody that We work with a
little bit more, everybody's got

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something going on. 
I think that's a good lesson to 

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take away. 
It sounds to me like that was 

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the clear highlight for the 
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us. 
Was there anything else that, 

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you know, sparked, Joy or 
interest to steal something from

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from from Mary's talk earlier 
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Jim once you start? 
Yeah, no. 

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I mean, there were several 
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all really high quality. 
There was one that I ended up in

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by accident because I went to 
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But it was one of those things 
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because it was a really great 
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It was called connect business 
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we're doing the the activities 
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explaining that to the business 
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get a seat at the adult table 
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business results or start a food
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interesting Yai yai share was 
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you just mentioned with Rebecca.
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I was stuck with the vendor so I
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very much looking forward to 
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solution vendors and all the Pam
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So that's what I focus on mostly
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refreshing to actually, like, 
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everyone in your when you're in 
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anything, with a dentist 
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three Pam ones, I went to all of
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and detailed than it was just so
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little grass that everyone can 
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in the same boat trying to 
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They were all super informative.

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was actually working for a lot 
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familiar faces that, you know, 
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it was kind of cool to have a 
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So, if you're still here at the 
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this, you know, feel free to 
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interrupt, whatever. 
We're probably not talking about

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anything and super intelligent. 
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an opportunity to tell somebody 
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They said, that's not podcast. 
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theories being polite. 
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Rebecca, was she at this one? 
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was identity, access management 
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Identity, or identity access 
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shouldn't or maybe it's a 
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that and it was, you know, you 
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the high-risk end of the CL and 
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low end, low risk and to the 
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your investment I am is low, 
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access openness. 
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to the business that That. 
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that, you're going to have fewer
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data or you're going to have 
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these things are like you know, 
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consume it and and chew on it 
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And as far, I love you it's 
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sitting in the sessions and and 
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So what else are you looking 
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when it comes to the conference?
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to focus on the vendor Hall in 
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to record a few more podcasts 
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You know, 48 hours tomorrow 
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record with Louisa me. 
ETA is over clear sky and Jamie 

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grows over CV and shout out to 
teaching me. 

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She sent us a. 
Shout out to me during her 

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presentation today. 
Even paying attention, what's 

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that? 
And you weren't even paying 

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attention was to paying 
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My hearing is not that great. 
That was the issue. 

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So no II, totally heard it, and 
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Then we've got a Going Wednesday

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content coming out. 
Get my editing fingers. 

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Ready, Rosa? 
What about you? 

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Well, tomorrow, I'm actually 
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that are here from the not Pam 
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about what's happening in the 
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the customer side and like, is 
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Can they use this as that user 
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So, shout-out to our engineers 
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me. 
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What's going on? 
What's everyone talking about? 

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What are the trends? 
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hearing. 
So it's kind of interesting 

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interesting strategy that you've
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second day, focus on sort of 
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Jim you and I were talking about
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going into this and I do 
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at the time, but I don't think 
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you and I had considered. 
I find it interesting. 

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It mean makes a lot of sense to 
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I think if you're, I think, if 
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practitioner, and you're having 
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trying to solve. 
That's definitely going to 

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influence your Approach my 
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William was, I wanted to kind of
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areas that, you know, I run into
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know, multiple clients. 
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understanding of the trends and 
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potentially fall into my 
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That makes sense I think yeah 
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you're going to be in two 
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What about recommendations for 
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attending what are some things 
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I'll go first because the first 
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of was get two sessions early, 
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They may not have space in the 
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hoping to get into. 
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else which is a less than ideal 
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later Rose about. 
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I have 21 where gym shoes 
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fanciest of high heels of ever 
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killing them today. 
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second thing I would say is just
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I came here alone so I'm 
traveling alone. 

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For this conference is just go 
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syrup a conversation. 
You never know where it's going 

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to lead to make you more 
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about their products, even for 
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Just go talk to them. 
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standing there were all here for
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We all have the same knowledge. 
We go talk to someone because 

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it's going to open up the door 
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And I met two people here 
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but four separate cyber 
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I almost like consulted with 
them about. 

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I am teams and processes and 
stuff like that. 

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made me feel really good because

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what do you even need? 
We don't even know how to build 

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a team and I was like oh this is
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I would love to tell you about 
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Set a little bit with some 

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stranger's, so and it made them 
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So just put yourself out there 
and go talk to everybody. 

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So we're going to see Rosa 
presenting and a couple of years

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here at Gartner, maybe identify 
verse or maybe some other 

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identity conference. 
Jim any recommendations. 

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I think that one that there was 
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out there and, you know, plunk 
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who, you don't know at lunch, I 
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hey, is this seat taken 
obviously? 

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Wasn't And I met Brian burn. 
See I would shout out to him 

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because he made me feel very 
comfortable and told me all 

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about what he does and you know,
the his strategy and his vision,

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I said you're somebody we need 
to get on our podcast so expect 

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an episode with him at some 
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So that's number one, I think 
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recommendation. 
The number two is really I say 

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consider. 
Staying at the Caesars, or I 

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don't know. 
I've always liked seeing at the 

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Cosmopolitan, right? 
Which is technically walking 

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distance, but when it's 105 
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great option. 
I don't know the Sheen's. 

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Just coming off of that. 
For me, I'd rather be closer 

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close and not have to deal with 
going out. 

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So maybe I'm just being a grumpy
old, man, by saying that but 

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you're gonna lose. 
That knows Marriott nights 

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though and loose. 
At us, well, then that's an 

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option to say. 
There's a Marriott like one 

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block off, the strip that does 
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option. 
I would consider being part of 

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it. 
Just to, you know, be completely

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transparent was, I could hear 
the nightclub in my hotel 

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pumping, like music to like 
2:30. 

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So every hour or so, I'd wake up
and hear that music, and then 

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have to fall back asleep with 
that music pumping. 

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And it's not like I'm an old 
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Like, I hate that music. 
Isaac, I did, I like it. 

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But now we're trying to sleep. 
I don't want to be woken up 

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every hour wear earplugs or I 
don't know. 

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I mean I think staying obviously
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conference's. 
Makes a lot of sense. 

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Yeah. 
What else do you have, really? 

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I think you guys covered. 
I think get there early just 

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because they happen to me a 
couple times today where I had 

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to go to an overflow spot and at
that point, I was kind of like 

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mmm. 
Now, I'm going to do something 

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else and walk around, I think, 
Rosa had a right on spark up 

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conversations. 
I mean I think that's the great 

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thing about The any Community 
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the most part. 
Like we're, it's not rocket 

452
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science and it's not secret 
sauce, right? 

453
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It's not like you're giving, you
know, Trade Secrets away for how

454
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you should be running your. 
I am program or how you're 

455
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building a team, or those are 
two things unless that is your 

456
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secret sauce, maybe, but that's 
something to consider. 

457
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We want to keep this little bit 
brief for, for this first one. 

458
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Make sure I have time to get it 
and put out, but it wouldn't be 

459
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an episode of a Datacenter with 
out, a way to end on a lighter 

460
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note and the That I've come up 
with for today is what's the 

461
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best TV show or movie that 
you've recently seen Jim? 

462
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We'll start with you. 
You want a TV show and a movie 

463
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or or movie trying to remember 
the name of it. 

464
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But it was a Netflix series with
the Viking theme. 

465
00:24:29,300 --> 00:24:32,100
Who tradition? 
Oh yeah the last Kingdom. 

466
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The last Kingdom that was sort 
of a good with okay. 

467
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Lastly device really had first 
off I think everyone knows I'm 

468
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like into the Vikings thing. 
And I look like liking, I like 

469
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the Vikings and like the 
historical context of you know, 

470
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when they based a show in 
history, but that was a really 

471
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good show. 
Now, you got me into that one. 

472
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I liked it was pretty good, I 
think I haven't seen the last 

473
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season, but you know you, I'm 
looking at you here, across the 

474
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table and I bet if we put like, 
a horn head on you, you would 

475
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totally fit in as like a cast 
member maybe. 

476
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:07,600
Well, you know, I mean, Vikings 
raided Ireland and like 800 

477
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beasts or eight. 
Edie. 

478
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And so, a lot of people who are 
Irish actually have Viking 

479
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jeans, alright, so I don't, I 
don't know, you know, like they 

480
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actually don't know how if Irish
people were redheaded or if the 

481
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Scandinavians brought red hair 
to Ireland. 

482
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Interesting. 
Yeah. 

483
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,800
All right, I didn't know that 
until I started doing some 

484
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research. 
Rosa, what about yourself? 

485
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What's the best TV show or 
movie? 

486
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That you've recently seen. 
Well, I do love a really good 

487
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:46,100
Netflix documentary, but I have 
to say, my favorite adult movie 

488
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:48,500
I've seen, is Top Gun recently 
in the theater. 

489
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I've seen it twice. 
I can't even hide it. 

490
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:53,000
It was so good. 
And then, because I have kids 

491
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,300
superpets is actually a really 
great movie. 

492
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If anyone has kids really funny.
The rock is the voice of the 

493
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,600
superhero, dog. 
It's actually quite a good 

494
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,300
movie, okay? 
So dual recommendation, Top Gun.

495
00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:05,900
I haven't seen it and I don't 
have kids, so I don't know. 

496
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,000
I don't know what superpets is. 
Well, I guess how would you 

497
00:26:09,008 --> 00:26:10,900
describe it other than Another 
rock is in it. 

498
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,800
Super Pets is based off the pets
of the superheroes. 

499
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,400
So Superman's dog is a super pad
and that's what the story is 

500
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,800
about. 
And then all the Marvel 

501
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,100
characters are in it too, so 
it's actually quite 

502
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:25,700
entertaining. 
Interesting, I heard this I like

503
00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:27,600
Marvel's, maybe I'll check that 
out. 

504
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:30,100
I'm going to stay with the 
Marvel theme because I was 

505
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:35,300
actually really, really 
pleasantly surprised impressed 

506
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:40,900
and just a really well-done 
show, Miss Marvel on the Marvel 

507
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,500
sort of thing. 
I don't think it got a ton of, 

508
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,400
like, viewers or whatever me, 
but I thought it was fresh. 

509
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,700
It was relatively modern. 
It was just really well done. 

510
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,800
Cinematography is great and it 
focuses on the character Miss 

511
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,900
Marvel and I want to kind of 
like ruin it, but it was not a 

512
00:26:57,908 --> 00:27:00,900
character that I had, you know, 
any familiarity with. 

513
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,600
But I would just say it was 
very, very well done. 

514
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,100
So that's my pick. 
All right, we're going to go 

515
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:09,800
ahead and leave it for this 
week, not soon enough. 

516
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,600
This week, for this time, I'm 
going to get this edited output 

517
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,400
to shout either tonight or 
tomorrow night. 

518
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,200
So either Monday night or 
Tuesday night 22nd, 23rd of 

519
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,200
August will have more episodes 
that were going to be recording 

520
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,400
tomorrow. 
Jim is a slave driver and has us

521
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,600
recording for like 48 hours in a
row. 

522
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,100
So we'll see what comes out of 
that. 

523
00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,900
Yeah, that's probably job. 
Yeah. 

524
00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:30,800
You're booking the guest and 
you're doing a good job. 

525
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:32,200
I've got to work about editing 
it. 

526
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:34,100
So we'll go ahead and leave it 
for this week. 

527
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You can find us on the web. 
I'd any of the center.com. 

528
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We're on Twitter. 
At idac podcast and what That we

529
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will hopefully talk with you in 
the next one. 

530
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531
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532
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