1 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:12,500 You're listening to the identity at the center podcast. 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,900 This is the show that talks about identity and access 3 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:18,100 management and making sure you know who has access to what 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:27,200 let's get started. Welcome to the identity of the 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,600 sender podcast. I'm Jeff and that's gem a gem. 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Okay. Jeff. 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,900 How are you? Oh not so bad yourself Jeff Jeff 8 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:36,500 Jeff. No but I do take us off the know 9 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:38,900 my going to take us off the rails today but I've been 10 00:00:38,900 --> 00:00:41,600 thinking about just kind of canceled please. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,300 No no. Well you have full edit 12 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:45,800 capability. That's true. 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,900 So okay. I've been thinking about one of 14 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:54,100 the most fundamental concepts of identity and access management 15 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:58,200 or Digital identity, whatever you want to call it and it's the 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,200 word trust. And what does the word trust 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,500 mean? I'm going to get back to that 18 00:01:03,700 --> 00:01:07,700 but I also was thinking about I think is the opposite of trust 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,300 when it comes to Identity which is anonymity and anonymity. 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,900 On the Internet is more than just a minor thing. 21 00:01:17,900 --> 00:01:22,200 I mean I think it's it's kind of like a fundamental concept. 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Do you see what's going on with Twitter? 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,100 Right? And to me, Twitter exemplified 24 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:33,500 not only, you know, not solely responsible but kind of the 25 00:01:33,500 --> 00:01:36,300 Cesspool of the internet if you will, right. 26 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:38,900 And I'm not talking about sis, where are you? 27 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:44,000 Check out our Twitter Handle by the biggest festivals and Ideas, 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,800 he podcast. How's that for commercial but it 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,700 is and I think it's the fact I think it's a not anonymity, that 30 00:01:50,700 --> 00:01:53,600 drives a lot of it. I mean, I think your Twitter 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,900 like you have a lot of people who will be very bold in their 32 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:02,400 own name, but a lot of us like you can't be too bold in your 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,500 private, you know, in your Communications that are in the 34 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:11,200 public assigned to your true identity because you can wind up 35 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,000 getting yourself fired. And I would say that maybe Stop 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,900 a large percentage of society so people wind up creating these, 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:23,400 an anonymous handles and going on, whatever you know, website, 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,100 has a comment section or on Twitter or something like that 39 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:32,500 and they posted things. Now, my question to you, I'm 40 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:35,200 going to give one more example before I turn it over to you. 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,800 My question to you is going to be, is that anonymity, a good 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,900 thing or a bad thing? Should it be eliminated? 43 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:46,100 Should there just be one? If Steadman or should you also 44 00:02:46,100 --> 00:02:51,700 be able to create a Jeff Steadman, an anonymous account. 45 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:56,000 So, you know, Joe Steadman, and here's why I asked. 46 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:59,800 So, yeah, we all know that you, you ran a Chili's, right? 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,400 And I was reading an article recently where it was there. 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,100 It was about Olive Garden and someone post. 49 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:10,500 The question, you know is that is the unlimited breadsticks, 50 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:14,900 truly unlimited, you know, is there A point where you order to 51 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,700 many breadsticks and they say, no. 52 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:22,100 And I person got on there said, I work at Olive Garden and if 53 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:24,500 you were I forget what the number was honestly because it 54 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:28,100 was like so outrageous like who the heck would order 12? 55 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:31,700 Masses of breadsticks, something like that like that's the cutoff 56 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:34,700 point. And they're probably not allowed 57 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:37,300 to say that, right? That might be a fireable 58 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:41,900 offense, whether it is or not, I don't know, but I'm getting to 59 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:45,900 the point that in that sense, an enmity would be good that you go 60 00:03:45,900 --> 00:03:48,700 out there and like shared that information and not have to 61 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:51,400 worry about it, like having a blow back on you. 62 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,500 Well, I think it's a good thing, and for the most part, it sure 63 00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:57,600 it's like anything else. There is downsides to anything 64 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,700 and for in second of all. Well, first of all, the world 65 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:02,000 was not ready for to just admins can barely handle one. 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,300 So, let's just get that clear right now. 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Yeah, I got is an, is being anonymous on the internet. 68 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,400 Good holistically. Probably, I tried to die to get 69 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,899 and I try to see the positive where I can. 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,899 I think of things like what's happening with governments, may 71 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:25,500 be that I have, you know, Less than ideal Free Speech rules. 72 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:28,000 Right being anonymous. There is probably helpful, not 73 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,600 only to get the word out, but maybe even for your own personal 74 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,300 Safety and Security, you know, when it comes to voicing 75 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:38,400 descent, not every country has the same, you know, free speech 76 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,300 that we do in the u.s. does Free Speech come without 77 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:46,000 repercussions though. No, I think there are always a, 78 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,100 you know, an action that can result from anything, any other 79 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,500 action. So, some people are brave enough 80 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:55,800 to Attach your name to it. Some people aren't for any, you 81 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,200 know, reason. It could be safety security or 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,400 maybe they just, you know, they are putting on a public Persona 83 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:02,900 versus what they think, privately. 84 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:07,300 So I don't, I mean, I don't know how to answer the question then 85 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:10,400 you were talking about trust and the opposite trust being 86 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,400 anonymous. I immediately went to deceit as 87 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,200 the opposite of trust and thinking of from a negative 88 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,300 standpoint, it's okay. Well, if I trust so-and-so and 89 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:19,800 we're and we're an identity show. 90 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,300 So let's talk with indication, right? 91 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:25,500 If You're doing an occasion, you're essentially trying to 92 00:05:25,500 --> 00:05:29,600 establish a trust between people if you're trying to break that 93 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,200 up and ication, then you're trying to deceive the system 94 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:39,000 which probably means you are not the person that is the intended 95 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,700 recipient of whatever that that's a trust session is about. 96 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:45,900 So I don't know if they answer your question or not that was a 97 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:50,100 very existential of you but it's very extensible overall, but I 98 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:53,100 kind of feel like the Authentication It is kind of the 99 00:05:53,100 --> 00:05:56,300 middle of the chain because the authentication is proving you 100 00:05:56,300 --> 00:05:59,300 are the identity. But if you set up the identity 101 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:04,900 into seat, then you're authenticating just deceptive 102 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:06,200 identity. Yeah. 103 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,300 And I also thought about this trust component. 104 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:14,500 In terms of it's actually in two directions, it's the user 105 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,100 trusting, the organization that there You know, a part of or 106 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:23,000 they're there, they had an identity in and then just the 107 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,700 organization or trusting the user. 108 00:06:24,700 --> 00:06:28,500 That this is a real identity and the real person is assigned to 109 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:33,100 this identity and I guess those were things like verifiable 110 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:37,100 credentials come into play. So to me when I was starting to 111 00:06:37,108 --> 00:06:39,500 think about that is like, well I don't want to go through 112 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:44,100 verifiable credentials to. I don't want to tie my Twitter 113 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:49,200 account or my cure. Her account to my driver's 114 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,800 license. Because I might want to say 115 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:56,100 something that you know, I don't, I don't want my employer 116 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:59,300 to be like, hey, you know, you can't say something like that. 117 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:01,700 You can't have that public opinion. 118 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:04,900 So that was kind of my thought. And then, I thought, you know, 119 00:07:04,900 --> 00:07:08,700 in terms of trust because we, this comeback came up. 120 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:12,200 I think maybe on our previous episode, where we talked about, 121 00:07:12,300 --> 00:07:16,600 you know, the organization's becoming the identity provider. 122 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,700 And would people trusted organization? 123 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:25,400 You think about governments or you think about big tack or 124 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,100 corporations, like who trust those entities do people trust 125 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:33,900 the United States government or some state government to be, 126 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:39,300 actually, you know, a credential or an identity that they 127 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:42,600 actually trust. Well, the answer is probably 128 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,800 every answer in between like you know, and I don't even think 129 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:51,200 that it is a binary decision. I think it's anywhere from 0 to 130 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,800 100 percent, maybe even negative number from a trust perspective, 131 00:07:54,900 --> 00:07:56,900 is you definitely do not trust you, right? 132 00:07:56,900 --> 00:07:59,900 You know, these types of entities or whatever it might 133 00:07:59,900 --> 00:08:01,800 be. So I think it's all over the 134 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,400 place. Yeah, zero trust - trusts, you 135 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,200 know, positive trust, you know, whatever the right terminology 136 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:13,300 would be, but I don't, you know, only only was only a Sith deals 137 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:15,800 in black and white. So I think there are tons of 138 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,100 Shades of Gray in between and I think when we start talking 139 00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:23,800 about sort of verifiable credentials and you know, this 140 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,800 idea of really kind of like a self Sovereign identity where I 141 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,800 can only share the parts of my identity that are relevant to 142 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,200 the to the decision that needs to be made, whether it's math, 143 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,900 education decision, or authorization decision, you 144 00:08:37,908 --> 00:08:40,100 know, it's kind of like That, you know the example I've used 145 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:43,200 in the past of law, I know it to get into this bar. 146 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,500 I need to be 21 to prove that I am of age to drink. 147 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,300 I show them my license and the bouncer whoever is checking ID 148 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:55,100 validates that I have the correct birth date to coincide 149 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:59,000 with establishing that I am 21 years old or older at the same 150 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,300 time. They're also saying my home, 151 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:04,300 address my height, my weight. I call her a whole bunch of 152 00:09:04,300 --> 00:09:07,800 stuff that isn't relevant that decision and I think this is 153 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,600 sort of Where the direction of the industry is heading. 154 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,700 When when we start talking about managing your own Dana data, 155 00:09:14,700 --> 00:09:18,300 from an identity perspective, is all you really needed to tell 156 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:21,500 the person was, you know, the all they really care about is, 157 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:25,200 are you 21 or older? If the answer is yes, everything 158 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,800 else is irrelevant. The answer is no. 159 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,700 Again, still all the answers. All the other things are 160 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:34,600 irrelevant, right? So I think what we're talking 161 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,400 about really her sort of managing, you know, to some 162 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,700 degree, those those Angels whether it's verified or not, 163 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,400 we're starting together until layers of trusts, you know. 164 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,900 Sure. You can go and establish a fake 165 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:48,000 identity. It is identity theft. 166 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,700 We have a lot of Reliance on. Okay. 167 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:53,200 Well if I went and got a driver's license and I was able 168 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,500 to fake that, that means, now I can fake something else and then 169 00:09:57,500 --> 00:09:59,600 fake something else. And you sort of like build this, 170 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,200 you know, House of Lies or House to House of Cards that might 171 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,200 collapse, right? If one of those identities gets 172 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,900 gets, you know, found out or whatever it may be. 173 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:11,900 So I don't know where I was going with that but no that's a 174 00:10:11,908 --> 00:10:15,300 good that's great dialogue and I know we're not going to solve 175 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:18,600 this here but for anyone listening it but I don't think 176 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,300 so. But anyone listening, you know, 177 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:29,600 comment on when Joe when Jeff when Joe Hey Joe when Jeff puts 178 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:36,000 out the LinkedIn post that the episode is out, go out there and 179 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,800 put a comment they'll do here. People's feedback or their 180 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,500 thoughts on trust and identity. Yeah, Beaker is I think plus 181 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:45,900 it'll be good fodder for, you know, another episode where we 182 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:47,500 kind of talked through. Like, here's what we heard from 183 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:49,700 people, you know, industry and kind of what their thoughts 184 00:10:49,700 --> 00:10:52,600 were. So I think I know where you were 185 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,400 going. When you start talking about 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,500 verified credentials? I think we what we wanted to 187 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,000 cover today, was Microsoft enter. 188 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,600 Is that right? Absolutely. 189 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,100 All right. So, Microsoft Ventura came out. 190 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:10,400 Well, I guess was announced a few months ago I thought this is 191 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,900 an episode. That is a long time. 192 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:16,000 Coming is to sort of explain what it is, what it's about. 193 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:20,400 And hopefully demystify, some of it, we're not going to solve all 194 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,700 the answers and all the questions and all that stuff 195 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:25,400 today, but at least hopefully get people kind of an overview 196 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,900 of kind of what it is and give people some information around 197 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:30,600 that, and there's probably no better person that we could 198 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,700 bring on in his name, is, Eric Woodruff. 199 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:35,300 He's a product technical specialist at Cypress. 200 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,100 Welcome to the show. Eric, Thanks Jeff. 201 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Glad to be here, thanks. Yeah, thanks so much for joining 202 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,000 us and we've had Gil from Cyprus back on. 203 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,600 I think it was September of last year 2021 episode number 110, 204 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:53,600 we're recording episode 191. So it's been about a little 205 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,500 while since we had someone on from Cyprus and we're going to 206 00:11:56,500 --> 00:11:59,500 talk about Microsoft entry. Your kind of, hopefully help 207 00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:02,700 clear it up in my mind as to what it is and more, maybe more 208 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:06,200 broadly, what it's not but we've got tradition around here, you 209 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,400 know, when someone joins us Us first time like to find out what 210 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,100 their identity origin story is, how did you get into identity? 211 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:14,900 Is that something that you chose, or did it choose you? 212 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,700 That's a good question. And I feel like my career is 213 00:12:20,700 --> 00:12:25,200 almost two parts for the first half. 214 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,900 So actually, when I started my it career, I was a Unix engineer 215 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:32,900 back in the late 90s during the.com, boom. 216 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:36,800 And then fast forward a bit as that whole bubble. 217 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,600 Cuffs. The collapsed I started working 218 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,000 with active directory for bit at Time Warner and then, I spent a 219 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,300 good majority of my career at the New York state courts and 220 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:49,000 working. There, I would say it was a 221 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,600 generalist working within the windows sort of server 222 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,700 ecosystem, but when I started, there was a big eater rectory 223 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:03,100 groupwise shop and by the time, I left about 15 years later, you 224 00:13:03,100 --> 00:13:05,900 know, as, as your active directory active directory, I'll 225 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:07,400 be going to the cloud and What not? 226 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,900 And I think just looking over the years at the transformation 227 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:18,600 there, I definitely had identity, choose me and I guess 228 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,400 I'd say that because as active directory became more and more 229 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,100 important we moved away from edirectory and what not like 230 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:30,200 someone sort of had, you know, take rains there and you know, 231 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,300 securing identity. When I was there. 232 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:36,600 I never thought of myself as a security person, but I thought 233 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,900 of myself as Infrastructure a generalist. 234 00:13:38,900 --> 00:13:43,300 What not? So, but then I actually left the 235 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:46,900 state and spend a bit of time working at Microsoft then. 236 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,100 And when I started there, I'd say that's what the sort of 237 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:58,500 chapter 2 of my career started. And there, I would say, I chose 238 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:01,700 identity. So I was a premier field 239 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:05,700 engineer and we were given sort of a luxury to pick out of like 240 00:14:05,700 --> 00:14:08,900 the Azure Suite of things. As to what you want to focus on 241 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:12,500 and just as I started to dig into like MFA and conditional 242 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:16,400 access and other identity Technologies, I really enjoyed 243 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,900 it. And so since then I've worked in 244 00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:23,900 a few other identity roles. And definitely, though, I find 245 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:29,000 identity interesting and I'm say I think I would say that only 246 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,700 then is that when I would consider that I became and 247 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:35,300 identity practitioner strong enough to like call myself one. 248 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,000 And now you're with Sampras, I guess. 249 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,500 Those who aren't familiar with, what's a is does, what's the, 250 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:44,300 you know, 30 seconds, maybe 60 second long, elevator, ride 251 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:47,200 pitch, so people can kind of be aware of, you know, what it is 252 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,800 that you guys do. Yep. 253 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,600 So, you know, it's time for us, we have a few different 254 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,200 products, mostly revolving around hybrid identity, which 255 00:14:55,700 --> 00:14:59,800 the episode that Gil was on, you know, you guys spoke about that. 256 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,200 But, all right, so talking about active directory, and Azure 257 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,300 active directory, but primarily focused on active directory 258 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,300 there. there's one product we had, that's an ID, D our 259 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:15,300 platform, and it's really, you know, securing active directory 260 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:18,600 and also extending that out now to the hybrid identity and Azure 261 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,200 ad, and the other piece of software we have, which I 262 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,200 actually wish I could go back to places, I used to work and I 263 00:15:25,208 --> 00:15:31,600 know this sounds salesy, but we never did Disaster Recovery 264 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,400 testing of active directory at a lot of places because I mean 265 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,900 it's a huge pain and You know, I started here in August and 266 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:42,400 actually seeing our other product you know do active 267 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,000 directory restores. Yeah. 268 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:51,600 It's a TFR it's pretty pretty cool piece of text so If it 269 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,500 leaks disaster recovery of a Diaz. 270 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:59,200 Is where it's at, man, if you're, if you consider yourself 271 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,000 a Microsoft shop, you better be doing it because a ransom, 272 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:09,300 where's attacks goal in life would be to own your active 273 00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:12,900 directory, they own your active directory, you are in big 274 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,300 trouble. If you truly are a Microsoft 275 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:16,900 shop? Yeah, no. 276 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:19,500 I mean, absolutely. And, I mean, I thought it's 277 00:16:19,500 --> 00:16:23,000 interesting and listening to some other podcasts about, you 278 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,700 know, ransomware attacks. I mean, it always goes back to 279 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,400 write like, regardless of how they threat actor. 280 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,500 Initially got in its when they owned active directory, that 281 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:33,700 everything just completely fell apart. 282 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,200 So, that's true. That's true. 283 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,600 Yeah, I've seen in my own professional experience, so, but 284 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,900 we did not bring you on to talk about Disaster Recovery. 285 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:45,600 We're trying to learn about this. 286 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,600 Microsoft entra and would love it if you would, you know, kind 287 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,100 of educate us on it. I know. 288 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:57,200 Enter has really like an umbrella for Tools. 289 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,300 But whatever, you know about it, that would be great to kind of 290 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,300 share with us and the listeners. Yeah, so I mean, I would say 291 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:10,200 entra depending on what angle you look at it, it may be 292 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,800 marketing but there's also the sort of Suite of Technologies 293 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,099 under it, right? So, I mean that the piece of 294 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:21,200 Ventura that most folks are familiar with or probably most 295 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,500 familiar. I should say is azure active, 296 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:27,800 directory. And then So there's a history 297 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,400 about a couple years ago. Microsoft took all their 298 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,300 security stuff and they renamed everything to like Defender 4X 299 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,300 like Defender for cloud forecasts, be solution became 300 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:41,800 Defender for cloud apps, Etc. And then they did a similar 301 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,600 thing in the spring of 2020, where all their compliance and 302 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,700 data governance became Microsoft purview. 303 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,300 And then it was this June that they you know announce Tantra 304 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,600 and yeah when you saw the announcement it was really You 305 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,800 guys are active directory. And also now bundling in Cloud 306 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,100 Knox, as enter a permissions management, so that's there. 307 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Kim or Keem, you know, see, I am solution there. 308 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,700 And then also entra verified ID, which, when it was in public 309 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:18,100 preview, was Azure active directory, verifiable 310 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:21,800 credentials as your AG has been around for a long time. 311 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,300 So is it just that as uad is now bundled under entra or there's 312 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,600 Some new features that make it because I mean, as an 313 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,300 old-school, active directory, persons, like you've got the 314 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,200 active directory users and computers, which is not a end 315 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:47,400 user facing Administration tool. But, you know, those of us who 316 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:50,800 used it over the years, grew to love it and hate it. 317 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:55,000 But it gives you ultimate flexibility that I kind of felt 318 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,700 like a sure As a lot of similarities in terms of its 319 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:04,000 admin focused rather than kind of an end user Focus. 320 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,100 So, I guess let me put my question, like this is entra 321 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:16,300 azure ad meant to, you know, replace having something like 322 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:22,800 cell point or and you know, an IGA or and itsm tool for 323 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,700 managing access. So Given the the classic 324 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:30,200 Consulting answer there is it depends, right? 325 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,200 So you know, there are components that that existed 326 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,000 even before entra for identity governance and sort of, you 327 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,000 know, the end-user aspect of things with like a my access 328 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:49,000 portal for entitlement requests. What I think is interesting is 329 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:53,100 within, that's probably been the past two or three weeks noticing 330 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:55,900 that when they add a new features too. 331 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,100 Azure active directory identity. Governance, it also is now being 332 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,900 renamed to entra Identity governance. 333 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:07,000 It's not like out there if you go look at like the nth row, 334 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,900 sort of sweet. But if you go look at the Docks, 335 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:13,600 it's still refers to as you know, Azure active directory 336 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,300 identity governance. But you know, I try to your 337 00:20:16,300 --> 00:20:17,800 question. I mean, I think they're 338 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,600 definitely making a push, you know, as far as like identity 339 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,000 governance goes, right. And they've certainly come a 340 00:20:25,008 --> 00:20:27,700 long way. At least past few years 341 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:33,300 especially but you know I'd say the primary focus just seems 342 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:39,600 targeted at least with getting rid of men, Tim ilm for those 343 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,500 customers. Well that's a certain me. 344 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:47,700 That's, that's ultimately the most important thing to most 345 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:54,900 folks who are in our industry with regards to Azure ad is all 346 00:20:54,900 --> 00:21:00,000 right, in the On-prem world. I had those products you just 347 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:06,000 talked about and what what's my equal and as your world. 348 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:10,100 So maybe you talk a little bit about for those who don't know 349 00:21:10,100 --> 00:21:14,500 what memphian my LM are, you know, kind of that, you know, 350 00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:20,500 approach that Microsoft hook. And then you know what are the 351 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,200 the analogous platforms or tools in the act. 352 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:30,100 Our world. Yes, I mean so Nim which was fam 353 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:34,300 and then ilm right was sort of their their sync engine tool. 354 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,700 And there's also a web interface that most may find a bit clunky. 355 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,000 That's right. Connected to SharePoint. 356 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:44,900 You need like a PhD to operate ma'am. 357 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:48,400 I've prayed I, I'm proud that I've never actually dealt with 358 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,800 him and will admit that I'm not super deep with it. 359 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,900 But yeah, you know, ma'am was a lot of like we're bringing in. 360 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,300 No user information from an HCM. It was you know, self-service 361 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:04,600 password reset. It also had some, you know, Pam 362 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,100 components to it and you know some of that is a bit scattered 363 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,700 through as your active directory and I'd say you know there's 364 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,200 certainly some people out there who are like well where is the 365 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,700 you know Cloud version of ma'am, right? 366 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,300 But if you look at Azure active directory, self-service password 367 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:26,000 reset has been out there for quite a long while, right? 368 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:29,500 I think a lot of the functionality of man though with 369 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,200 the, you know, user lifecycle workflows and entitlement 370 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,800 management and all that sort of stuff is what's primarily 371 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,400 getting pushed into, you know, enter up identity governance. 372 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,000 So I kind of feel like it when you think about identity 373 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,100 governance a, the key is answering the question of who 374 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:51,300 has access to what and it's really like two parts. 375 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:57,400 It's the provisioning side of, you know, Other words to finding 376 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,800 who should have access that would be your work clothes and 377 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,700 everything where you assign access to people and then 378 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:07,600 provision to some and point, like active directory, or some 379 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,500 application. But then there is the actual. 380 00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,800 What do people actually have, right? 381 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,800 So, we're pushing all those out, too. 382 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,400 And then point now we're pulling it back. 383 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:20,800 Some funny business may have happened behind the scenes, 384 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,500 right? That we should be able to now 385 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:26,200 pick up and say, Hey, how do, all these accounts have these 386 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:30,000 Your privileges, or who created these accounts because we don't 387 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:37,300 recognize the account QA test, 123 to me, what would MIM always 388 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:40,900 was able to do is only the first part, you know, give you a 389 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:46,400 web-based tool to manage giving access to people or taking it 390 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,000 away and then provisioning are so and I kind of always thought 391 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,200 of him doing that via some kind of like directory 392 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,500 synchronization. Is that accurate? 393 00:23:57,500 --> 00:24:02,800 Yeah, I mean I would say now with entra that, I mean they 394 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,600 have access reviews out there, right? 395 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,000 So you can have your certifications or at stations or 396 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,100 however you want to put it on whether it's may be as robust, 397 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:18,300 isil point, you know. Suppose I won't, I don't know 398 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:23,100 sale Point enough to sort of make a strong comment there, but 399 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:26,100 it definitely is primarily targeted still at. 400 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:31,900 Like the, I'd say, the Microsoft ecosystem, right? 401 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:33,800 Yeah. And that, I mean, that's, I 402 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,200 think, to me, this is kind of my perspective, right? 403 00:24:38,300 --> 00:24:41,100 Is that there's no way it could be called up with South Point. 404 00:24:41,100 --> 00:24:44,900 South Plains, been doing this for over a decade, right? 405 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:50,000 And so you can't just catch up overnight like that, but that, 406 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,000 okay, so that's the first tower that we've been talking about. 407 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,500 Is this identity management. If Is the old school term. 408 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:04,300 The second tower was Keem, or as we've been schooled on recently, 409 00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:08,000 when we had Paul on the show last week, Kim. 410 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:13,400 And that's the old Cloud knocks tool, right? 411 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,800 So, Microsoft acquired that product, when you're using Cloud 412 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,300 knocks, do you feel like you're in Azure is like the same user 413 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:26,100 interface and things like that? No, so with the cloud knock, 414 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,300 It's the first round of integration. 415 00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:31,300 I mean, there's definitely done some work on the back end, but 416 00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:35,800 when you go to the entry portal and you click on cloud knocks, 417 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,400 it opens like a new tab that is basically what feels like Cloud 418 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,300 Knox was so okay. Like a totally separate 419 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,500 application, they basically, but that in some ways is a good 420 00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:55,000 thing because I'm to bring over all that functionality, and try 421 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,300 to fit it into You, the existing framework, I'd be a major ordeal 422 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:04,500 in itself, talk to us a little bit about what cloud knocks 423 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:07,600 does. So that users who aren't 424 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,400 familiar with with that would have some baseline 425 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,300 understanding. Yes. 426 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:16,100 So I mean, right? That's your Cloud 427 00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,700 infrastructure. Entitlement management and to 428 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:23,100 the the Kim ver scheme thing. I feel like it's similar where I 429 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,600 always thought it used to be seam. 430 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,900 And then at some point I was told It's now Sim and that's so 431 00:26:27,908 --> 00:26:31,000 we don't confuse it with Siam and you know it goes on and on 432 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:38,000 but you know, to your question I mean, right, so I think of in 433 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,600 the Azure world but it's not just Azure specific that, you 434 00:26:41,608 --> 00:26:47,100 know, identity would tend to focus on, you know, things that 435 00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,800 are I guess closer to other its heart. 436 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,800 Right? And you'd see a lot of 437 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,100 organizations who may have a bunch of subscriptions or if 438 00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,700 it's AWS accounts, Server or whatnot out there, right? 439 00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:02,400 And the kind of delegate off the administration of you know who 440 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,900 has access to what out there and to me I mean I think you know 441 00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:09,400 there's more like the I guess I'd say the philosophy 442 00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:16,000 philosophical piece of you know does control over access to that 443 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,400 belong under like the identity umbrella, which I feel like 444 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,000 you're Kim Solutions are kind of bring it back here, but it's 445 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,700 also to help govern that right? To make sure that it's the who 446 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:29,000 has As to what, you know, there's the just-in-time piece 447 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,900 for, you know, at the right time and also there's you know, what 448 00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,400 I'd say is similar to like access reviews out there, right? 449 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,100 Making sure that you know you don't have privileges this 450 00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:43,800 hanging around makes you think of old file servers or 451 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:44,400 something. Right? 452 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,100 Where you'd go look and everyone has permissions to everything 453 00:27:48,100 --> 00:27:50,700 and nobody can ever make what's, what a what? 454 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:54,700 So yeah. So okay, so the first piece was 455 00:27:54,700 --> 00:28:02,700 as your Can as Rady second piece was Club knocks, the third piece 456 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,000 is verify credentials, right? And what's the what's the 457 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,700 company line on that product? Right? 458 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:13,800 What was that all about? So I mean, I would say verified 459 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,000 ideas, the area, I have had the least Focus. 460 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,600 Just, I mean, to me, having worked more with, you know, 461 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,900 customers I guess out in the Old, especially when it's more 462 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:29,800 in the like delivery Consulting role. 463 00:28:30,700 --> 00:28:33,700 You know, you tend to be more focused on like the issues at 464 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:40,300 hand where you know, my opinion verified credentials and you 465 00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:43,100 know, decentralized identity and all that feels more like future. 466 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:48,400 When you've got people who, you know, you still have issues with 467 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,700 basic things like right fishing resistant MFA but it is it is 468 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:58,400 there, you know, decentralized, I A sort of product out there 469 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:03,100 and what it was announced and even under public preview, 470 00:29:03,100 --> 00:29:04,900 right? That Microsoft has been, I think 471 00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:08,700 interestingly good at, you know, running sort of hackathons to 472 00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:12,800 try to get people like thinking about, you know, like what can 473 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,200 we do with this, right? But I also know that there's 474 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,400 some folks who sort of look at it as like a solution where the 475 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,300 problem hasn't really been defined yet. 476 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:27,600 So, yeah, it seems to me that Did making investments in 477 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,500 identity, whether it's going out and purchasing kind of Leading 478 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:36,300 Edge Products or you know, developing products themselves 479 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:41,200 and house based on, you know, Azure ad or like the verified 480 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,400 adp's, would you just described? I'm wonder you go to a lot of 481 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,400 the Microsoft partner conference is right. 482 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,800 Talk to us a little bit about where they're heading with these 483 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,800 products. At least what what information 484 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,200 is being shared. Therefore the public. 485 00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:04,400 Yeah I mean so I think if you like a cloud right there's a lot 486 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,600 of times where it's that AWS may you know Trump Microsoft 487 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:16,800 relative to you know I as or Paz I strongly feel like Microsoft 488 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,900 is trying to position themselves from. 489 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:23,700 I mean not just an identity but also a security aspect as being 490 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,000 like they're like where you're going. 491 00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:28,500 Go to for multi-class One, Stop Shop. 492 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:33,300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that's a recurring theme. 493 00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:38,900 We've had a lot of folks on the podcast recently, talking about 494 00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:41,900 this. This idea of converged identity 495 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:46,300 which is really taking the components, which were these 496 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:51,700 pillars of identity management and offering at some level all 497 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,400 of them. So, maybe grew up as an access 498 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,700 management vendor Now you're offering life cycle and 499 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:01,800 privileged access management or maybe you started out privileged 500 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,900 access management. Now you're dipping your toe into 501 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:09,500 these other areas it definitely feels like Microsoft wants to be 502 00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,100 that One Stop Shop. Yeah. 503 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,200 Yeah. I'm, I mean, an honestly, I 504 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,900 think, to sort of try to pull that off you, you need to be one 505 00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,900 of the big sort of players out there. 506 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,400 Whether it's, you know, I mean, there's the big three, right? 507 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:26,000 And they seem to be positioning themselves. 508 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:30,200 Ourselves. I guess I'd say well relative to 509 00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:32,800 be in like that, that One Stop Shop. 510 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,800 So who you point to as the big 30. 511 00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:40,800 So the other is B, Google and AWS. 512 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,700 OK, Google Amazon Microsoft in terms of providing cloud 513 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,900 services to Enterprises. Yeah. 514 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,000 And I mean, I used to, when I say that, I mean, big three in 515 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,700 big enough that right. I know I'm one of the I sewed. 516 00:31:56,700 --> 00:32:00,600 So thank you, you know, talked about how you know I rocked a 517 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,900 sort of tried their hand at IGA right and there's this is no 518 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:08,700 knock on October or anything but just I think Microsoft has the 519 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:13,800 sheer weight of their services also with Office 365. 520 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,200 I mean you talked to a lot of customers who they want like 521 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,700 that Azure 80 thing, there are 365 shop in your like you 522 00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:25,700 already have it, right? So just just the way it kind of 523 00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:28,400 is Is sort of out there whether you know it or not. 524 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,500 Sometimes and that weight of their, the company doesn't 525 00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:36,700 listen to a podcast with such an Adela actually I had listened to 526 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:38,700 her yesterday. It's called the tools and 527 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:42,400 weapons podcast for anyone who's interested, but he was making 528 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,600 the case about, you know, you've got to continue to innovate. 529 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,800 You've got to continue to disrupt or someone's going to 530 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,300 eat your lunch. And so while Microsoft is the 531 00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:57,700 800-pound gorilla, doesn't mean couldn't speak in, you know, you 532 00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,700 mentioned OCTA. They didn't try their hands in 533 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:03,200 lifecycle management. They are actively trying their 534 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,500 hands and lifecycle management. You know they're building their 535 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:12,100 platform. And so you know I look Microsoft 536 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,800 has been around for like 40 years or something. 537 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,000 Silly like some mind-boggling number, you know, people have 538 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:27,000 preconceptions of Microsoft. I think they become they What do 539 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,700 you call it reinvented themselves? 540 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:35,000 I guess if you will with Nadella as a CEO I think he really shook 541 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,700 things up but I think that you know he's right if they're not 542 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:44,300 going to continue to innovate and disrupt you know even their 543 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:47,200 their core products people start to question. 544 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,900 Hey can I do this better cheaper? 545 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,700 You know things that companies used to get money for now you 546 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:55,900 can get for free. Free. 547 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Yep. Right? 548 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:02,200 So do they fall in love with making money on certain things 549 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,100 so much that they don't adapt to the market? 550 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,000 Where movie something is becoming free. 551 00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:14,800 So, last question for you on this topic is just around, you 552 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:21,900 know, I meet with a lot of cisos and program, managers security 553 00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:24,600 folks who say, we're a Microsoft shop, right? 554 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,600 So there, They're buying the e3e five licenses to manage 555 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,800 everything. They have very few usually, very 556 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,199 few applications that fall outside of the Microsoft 557 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,900 ecosystem, they might be using Microsoft CRM, Microsoft 558 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,500 Dynamics or Erp, you know? They're they're like all in of 559 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:50,000 course there they probably have some best-of-breed Cloud 560 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,900 Solutions but you know, these are shops where they are doing, 561 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:58,100 think Microsoft way. My question for you is from an I 562 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:03,700 am perspective, do these folks also need. 563 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,900 I am tools Beyond what's available with entra. 564 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,800 You know, I guess I'd say it's back to the classic. 565 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,000 It depends, right. I mean, I've seen some things, 566 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,300 some interesting, you know, I am tools for like Health Care, you 567 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,700 know, also for K-12, but I mean, you see it. 568 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:30,900 Go go both ways of had customers that have, you know, stuck with 569 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:35,300 Azure active directory for K-12 and, you know, they're 570 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,900 federating Google workspace back to have no other students were 571 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,700 using it, but You also see some interesting. 572 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,700 I'd say you know, Technologies developed out there for more of 573 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,100 those. I don't know if I'd say they're 574 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:50,100 Fringe cases, right? There's tons of Health Care out 575 00:35:50,100 --> 00:35:52,000 there but I can't think of the name. 576 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,200 There's a company that sort of is specialized in, you know, 577 00:35:56,207 --> 00:35:59,900 authentication for you know, Healthcare Providers, like, you 578 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:03,300 know, you're on the floor. Nurses, doctors stuff like that. 579 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,900 So yeah, I mean, I think it may or may not sort of satisfy your 580 00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:13,500 needs and and ultimately write each organization needs I mean I 581 00:36:13,508 --> 00:36:17,100 think take a good look at, you know, how they operate what they 582 00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:24,000 have and also, you know, put put aside maybe their fan, you know, 583 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,200 person this just whether they like or dislike Microsoft or I 584 00:36:29,207 --> 00:36:30,800 guess I wouldn't be fan person Miss. 585 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:36,000 But hey, that's what I feel like that's a classic Consulting 586 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,600 answer where I didn't actually really answer anything. 587 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,400 So it depends right. Well you know, you If the I 588 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,300 think this is kind of worth the undertones that I'm is. 589 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,400 I'm listening here. Is preconceived notions right 590 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,400 around capabilities and products and vendors and some people are 591 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,900 pro Microsoft. Some people are pro not pro 592 00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:01,100 Microsoft, right, or Apple or Google, or AWS every product has 593 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:05,900 its fans and its detractors. And I think what we sometimes 594 00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:10,100 get stuck into is we use the product? 595 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:14,400 15 years ago, 10 years ago, maybe even five years ago and it 596 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,300 is not the same product, you know, things move forward. 597 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,900 I don't think anybody is really in the business of putting out 598 00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:23,900 bad products or we say hope that they are and they're always 599 00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:29,400 trying to improve the challenges is, do you does your business 600 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,800 objective or your technical objective aligned with what the 601 00:37:32,808 --> 00:37:36,200 capabilities of the products? You know, if we talked about, 602 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:40,700 you know, Microsoft, 20 years ago, or OCTA, or Ping. 603 00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,900 Where sale point for that example, write any of these kind 604 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:45,000 of bigger identity vendors that are out there. 605 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,900 Their products were not as capable 20 years ago, they have 606 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,900 all gotten better, they're not perfect. 607 00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,700 And they're still not the answer for everybody. 608 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,200 There are still use cases that they just not good at. 609 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,100 I think what are the chief knocks? 610 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:00,600 For example, on Microsoft, is that? 611 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,900 It's great when you're in the Microsoft ecosystem and then it 612 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,600 starts to fall apart pretty quickly. 613 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200 Once you leave the Microsoft ecosystem and so people look for 614 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,500 alternatives. That and they sort of like, you 615 00:38:11,508 --> 00:38:13,800 know, they get this bad taste in their mouth or it's like, oh, 616 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000 that thing sucked. We hated it, right. 617 00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,200 And I'll never use it again. And in the meantime, they're 618 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,900 probably doing themselves a disservice because it could be 619 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:22,400 the right fit. I mean, you see a lot of 620 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,600 companies who, you know, they, they have Office 365 and they're 621 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,600 using Microsoft but they just like don't want to use Azure for 622 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,800 single sign-on for MFA and it would be so much easier if they 623 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,500 did. You know there, maybe there's 624 00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:39,700 other technical issues where they just can't, or won't do it 625 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:42,300 or, you know, Whatever it might be, but I always find it 626 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,400 interesting when I run into those clients who are very happy 627 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,200 to Microsoft for example and they use something completely 628 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,500 different. That is totally in The Sweet 629 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,500 Spot of what they should be using Microsoft Word yo man, you 630 00:38:55,500 --> 00:39:00,200 see no I mean I I see I've seen the Spectrum. 631 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,800 I mean I think you're hitting on an interesting point in that 632 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,600 definitely has Technologies evolved. 633 00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:10,200 It's more difficult these days to have Technology Drive. 634 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,300 Decisions than business Drive technology, but I think a lot of 635 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:18,000 US tech folks still want it. Where technology is driving 636 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,300 business, but no, I mean, I've seen I've done workshops where 637 00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:25,800 like the second. You say hello there. 638 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,100 Like I hate Microsoft especially when you worked for. 639 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:33,000 Um, it's yeah, it's a difficult conversation to try to be like, 640 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,900 well, you know, I hope you don't personally hate me, right? 641 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:39,600 I'm just here to try to help you and he's going, Eric, you spent 642 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,400 a ton of money. Any on, you know, Office 365, 643 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:45,000 right? And you have Azure ad, like, 644 00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:49,700 let's see what we can do with what you've got so far. 645 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,600 And we're talk about Microsoft, you know, I hear the same thing 646 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,100 about Oracle and, you know, we would never wish Oracle identity 647 00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:57,900 management, anybody? Okay, well, you know what, you 648 00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:00,100 know, all things being said, it's still a pretty good 649 00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:03,400 product, especially if you use it where it's supposed to be 650 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,500 used. It's like anything else, right? 651 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:06,600 If you have one product, you try to make it do more than what 652 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,800 it's designed to do. Of course, it's going to 653 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,600 struggle, it's not designed. In for that, right? 654 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,500 It's like having the, you know, the label on the shampoo bottle, 655 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,300 do not drink this. It's there because somebody 656 00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:20,900 tried to drink it at some point, right there should be like a, 657 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,200 you know, a nutrition label or warning on it products, you 658 00:40:24,207 --> 00:40:26,000 know? Hey just because you've got 659 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,300 memed does that mean that it should be your entire identity 660 00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:32,600 and access management platform? Write something like that, we've 661 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,100 been talking to kind of a lot here about entra. 662 00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,700 I guess, if you had to sum up, you know what people need to 663 00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,400 think about when they went. When it comes to entra, like 664 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,700 what are what's like, the main takeaway that somebody should 665 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:47,800 come off with that? You know, I mean, I think it's 666 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:52,900 really focusing on the, the sort of components of it, right? 667 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:58,000 So to me in particular, I guess I'd say it's Azure active 668 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:05,200 directory, piece of that and if you in particular, are a o365 or 669 00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:11,200 em 365, customer right? Looking at how You know, you may 670 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,300 own a lot of stuff. One of the things I would want 671 00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:18,000 to Azure active, directory, environments a lot and what you 672 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,500 would come across again and again and again our customers 673 00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:26,200 who they have, no idea what they own right and some they may have 674 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,100 something else deployed. They want to get rid of some. 675 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:32,100 It's just they don't even know, it's out there and it is a lot 676 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:34,300 of stuff, right? It's like trying to boil the 677 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:38,500 ocean sometimes but you just, you know, leveraging leveraging 678 00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,900 what you may already own. So, Yeah, I mean, hey, it's 679 00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,400 important part. Like you marry getting a lot of 680 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,100 stuff through your licensing. Why not take advantage of it? 681 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,000 I mean, you know, if you're looking for the right way to do 682 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,600 things, it's I think you have to leverage. 683 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,300 You know, what do you have today that you that you could leverage 684 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,100 versus what are the gaps and potential costs? 685 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:00,100 If you're already paying for something you might as well try 686 00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,000 to get the most out of it. All right, we're going to go 687 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400 ahead and wrap up this conversation but before we go, 688 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,700 we were kind of talking before we hit the road, the old record 689 00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:11,700 button here, and we started Little bit about video games. 690 00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:15,200 I've got, I got one I want to ask you to share if you don't 691 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,500 mind. You see you mentioned, you had a 692 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:19,900 tattoo. Yep, which I'm going to guess is 693 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200 the answer to my question, which is what is your favorite classic 694 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600 video game? And I guess Jim, you kind of 695 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,000 came up with this question. Before you answer Eric defying 696 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,400 classic? Like what is classic mean in 697 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,700 this context? Hmm. 698 00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:38,500 So what I was thinking was a video game that you went 699 00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:42,800 somewhere and either God got in or stood in front of maybe at 700 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,900 like a pizza shop or something and you put coins into it to 701 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:48,900 play it. Yeah. 702 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:50,900 That's that's what I had in mind. 703 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,400 Some people might be like, what the heck is he talking? 704 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,100 A lot of people are like, what are you talking about? 705 00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,600 They don't remember arcade machines and pumping it borders 706 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,300 into those things. Yeah. 707 00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,400 Well anyway, that's what I had in mind but I look go ahead and 708 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,100 answer it, however, you like, alright, Eric go for it. 709 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,700 Yeah. I mean, I suppose it would be 710 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,600 classic in the sense of the series of Legend of Zelda. 711 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:18,200 So, but when I mean, the, the first Zelda came out, I was way 712 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,900 too young to understand what was going on, but I watched my, my 713 00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:27,100 dad play a, but my favorite in the series would not be 714 00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:32,700 considered classic, at least at least not breath the wild that 715 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:37,300 or honestly, Twilight Princess. I also really, really enjoyed so 716 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:41,500 but during each Game in the series is so unique. 717 00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:46,100 It's hard to sort of compare and while they've done a pretty good 718 00:43:46,100 --> 00:43:51,800 job of really kind of varying, not only like the stories but 719 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,000 also the actual, the artistic style of the series for Legend 720 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,300 of Zelda. I mean, you know, most people 721 00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,000 kind of think about it of you know, back in the day link and 722 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,700 the master sword in the Triforce, right? 723 00:44:00,700 --> 00:44:04,200 And sort of like this 2D top-down, you know, scrolling 724 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,600 sort of Adventure type thing. And then you look at something 725 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,400 like a Nintendo switch breath of the wild which is like this 726 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,600 masterpiece of a. Now I can open world and 727 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,200 intricate systems and say, do you see that mountain of 728 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,200 distance? You can go there and you can 729 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,700 climb it if you Got enough, you know, strength or energy like to 730 00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:21,600 go up the hill. I mean, it's it's amazing how 731 00:44:21,607 --> 00:44:24,500 far it's come and in between then you've had things that have 732 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,100 been more stylistic like cartoon versus more like a video game 733 00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:30,400 and like cell-based shading and things. 734 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,800 Well, yeah, I was going, I mean with Wind Waker. 735 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,000 I'd say honestly, you know, I mean, I'm a Nintendo Fanboy, but 736 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000 there's always been the knock on them that everything is 737 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,900 underpowered. So, you know, sometimes it 738 00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,200 seemed like they did that because that's the only way they 739 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,300 can make the game function. Well, you know, it's Though. 740 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:51,600 I mean, whatever reason it still looks great, by any standards. 741 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,200 I mean, you know, is it full motion video? 742 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,300 And, you know, sort of Cutting Edge, you know Reflections and 743 00:44:58,300 --> 00:44:59,400 raytrace Graphics? Right? 744 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,400 And all this other stuff. No, but it looks really good and 745 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,800 if it is, if it performs really well, right. 746 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:06,600 That's, you know, probably the most important thing. 747 00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:09,500 All right. So you got what? 748 00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:11,100 What was your choice again, Eric, which selda? 749 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,100 I'll go with Twilight Princess Twilight Princess. 750 00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:17,700 All right, Jim, what's your favorite old man? 751 00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:21,400 Bit No game. Stand up old man was actually 752 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,600 one I played in a pizza parlor, but it was sit down. 753 00:45:24,700 --> 00:45:30,500 So it was a car game called Spy Hunter Spy Hunter, someone 754 00:45:30,500 --> 00:45:34,100 brought it up, on one of our, our project calls the other day 755 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,400 and you're like, oh, you know, like reminds you to Spy Hunter, 756 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,700 like, oh my goodness I love that game. 757 00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:43,000 You could do like the oil slick. You could do the big cloud of 758 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,300 smoke and then you had to dock yourself into the semi on the My 759 00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:52,500 I mean for my money that game was and then we had to sit down 760 00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:54,700 one to me. It was like you felt like you're 761 00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:58,400 driving a real car. Think about that that that total 762 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:05,000 2D view but it just yeah. So that plus a super classic you 763 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,700 know, intro sound kind of theme that doo-doo-doo-doo 764 00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:10,900 doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo and just I was going to do. 765 00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:14,000 I was going to do the what you just did but I was afraid we get 766 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,800 a strike. Why did it so porno? 767 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,600 So poorly that know? One would ever be able to 768 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,900 recognize it in the real world so I think we're probably. 769 00:46:20,900 --> 00:46:25,000 Okay. Alright so for myself I guess 770 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,900 technically it is a classic it has been around for 18 years 771 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,800 World of Warcraft. I still play it to this day. 772 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,500 I've been playing it for 18 years. 773 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:38,100 I am one of those nerds that back-in-the-day stood in line to 774 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,500 get different expansion packs as they came out. 775 00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:45,100 And yeah it is still my one of my main drugs of choice when it 776 00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:49,400 comes to hitting the video game and You know, it's expansion 777 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,100 week. Dragon, dragon Niles just came 778 00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:53,300 out. So of course, I've got to check 779 00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:55,100 that out. When I get time, I don't have as 780 00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:58,200 much time as I used to. So not necessarily into the 781 00:46:58,207 --> 00:47:00,400 whole rating thing. My wife and I used to be in a 782 00:47:00,408 --> 00:47:02,200 rating Guild. So yeah, we were at World of 783 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,800 Warcraft house, you know, for a while there, but what was that 784 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,300 one's for one video game is pretty darn good. 785 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:11,900 What was that one video? That was on YouTube and they're 786 00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:14,300 on a raid and like the one guy just like goes off. 787 00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:17,300 That's what does more dots? Yeah, they were. 788 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:19,800 There's a A couple famous Warcraft Clips, there's one 789 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,700 with, they're going into a raid against the dragon called onyxia 790 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:26,800 and basically the encounter is, as you've got 50 people on your 791 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,200 side and then this Dragon who spawns a bunch of little dragon 792 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,000 whelps. And they, the idea is really is, 793 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,000 they tend to overwhelm your group and you end up dying when 794 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,100 onyxia, takes her deep breath and sort of wipes out the raid 795 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,300 and you have this classic raid leader, you know, kind of 796 00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:45,400 yelling out, more dots damage over time, which basically means 797 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,600 more damage. You know, onto the Things and 798 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,800 handling the whelps and add control. 799 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,500 Something that's the. Now I'm nerding out about World 800 00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:56,200 of Warcraft and the other one is Leroy Jenkins with Steve Reich. 801 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,100 Is also shorter think. Yeah, he charges into a room. 802 00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:02,400 Like they're like preparing for like this thing and I read that 803 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,700 this was more like a stage thing. 804 00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:06,200 It's not actually something that actually happened like just off 805 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,000 the cuff, but they're like, trying to like, figure out how 806 00:48:09,008 --> 00:48:12,900 to tackle this room and the character of Leroy Jenkins just 807 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,200 he comes up on comms on voice. Chase. 808 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,800 Like he just yells his name, we wrought. 809 00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,700 Jenkins he just fits right into the rooster whole plan. 810 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:25,100 Ruined the whole plan, just kind of kills himself and he's become 811 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:28,300 a very popular culture, you know, cultural icon in the game 812 00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:29,600 and it's also stretched outside of the game. 813 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,600 So when you hear someone who's 20 Jenkins, they're basically 814 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,000 just charging into battle without any really thought? 815 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,300 Yeah, I'm ruining everybody else's like, well, laid out 816 00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:40,900 plan. Anyway, you have to go in to 817 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:42,900 YouTube and search Leroy Jenkins. 818 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:45,200 If you don't know, we're talking about watch this video. 819 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,700 It's hilarious. Yeah. 820 00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:48,400 If we don't play video games, Games. 821 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,700 All right, I'm going to before we, I start nerding out, even 822 00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:55,900 more about it. We'll go ahead and wrap up for 823 00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:58,500 this week. Eric, thank you so much for 824 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:02,400 being part of this will have links to yourself on a LinkedIn 825 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,600 for people to kind of connect Reach Out. 826 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,200 They've got questions. I know you also had a Blog Eric, 827 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,200 and identity, Eric, and I didn't you.com, I guess. 828 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,500 What's the to Second sort of what is that? 829 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,700 That is a my Microsoft identity, nerding out. 830 00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:22,700 So it's mostly technical Content about, you know, various Azure 831 00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:27,100 ad related things. So, yeah, there's a lot of good 832 00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:29,800 stuff in there, so definitely a good read and you have been 833 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,300 posting content, which is great. So I try it's a lot of work to 834 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:37,500 right. That's why we do a podcast. 835 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,100 So I have a link to that, in our show notes all stuff. 836 00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:46,000 Like this Empress scmp, ER, is.com where you can learn more 837 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,100 about, what Eric, and the fine folks over there are working on 838 00:49:49,500 --> 00:49:51,800 As well as I like to Microsoft enter, if you want to read the 839 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,500 company line and kind of what that is all about, from the 840 00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:56,800 Microsoft perspective, as well as links to Jim. 841 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,900 And I on LinkedIn, definitely looking for always for, you 842 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,100 know, a feedback on what you like about the show topics 843 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:04,300 things. You want to see us cover in the 844 00:50:04,308 --> 00:50:05,900 future, you know, things like that. 845 00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:09,300 Definitely hang this up on LinkedIn and be happy to take 846 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,700 that under advisement. And yeah I think that's going to 847 00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:14,500 be it for this week. You can find us on the web 848 00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,100 identity at the center.com. We're on Twitter so far the 849 00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:21,300 dumpster fire that has And into a tidy AC podcasts. 850 00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:23,600 And without, go ahead and leave it. 851 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000 Thanks everyone for listening, and we'll talk with everyone. 852 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:32,600 And next one, thanks for listening to the podcast. 853 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,000 If you like what you heard, don't forget to subscribe and 854 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,700 visit us on the web and identity at the center.com.