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This is identity at the center. 
If it has anything to do with I 

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am this is the go-to podcast. 
So if you're a beginner or an 

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expert or anyone in between 
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welcome to Identity at the 
center. 

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Now your host Jim McDonald and 
Jeff Steadman, welcome to the 

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identity of the center podcast 
I'm Jeff and that's gem. 

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Hey Jim. 
Hey Jeff. 

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How are you? 
Not so bad yourself and I feel 

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like I've been seeing a lot of 
you lately, you sure have? 

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Why is that? 
I always in back to traveling 

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together and then this week we 
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and we did a podcast on stage 
together which was fun, that was

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the first time we've ever done 
that and then we had a fun event

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that night. 
So we'll get to talk about all 

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that. 
Yeah we've been hanging tough 

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man. 
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quite a bit, kind of like the 
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was fun this week and really 
that's why I think what this 

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episode is all about. 
Just kind of recapping our 

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experience from this week. 
So you and I were at Gartner 

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basically Monday, Tuesday, 
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And today is Friday, and this 
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following Monday. 
So we'll be hearing this sort of

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an in real time almost sort of 
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It was a cool experience man. 
I mean Definitely want to give a

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shout-out to Henry, came Becky, 
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It was a good time and it was 
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Doing that sort of podcast style
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If you were there great, you saw
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And you were part of it, if you 
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We're still hopeful maybe that 
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recording at some point. 
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had to be there or be square 
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Yeah, I also think that even if 
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be the best cleaners. 
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published a new that Henriques, 
his mic was going in and out and

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things like that. 
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and kind of put their put the 
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on, including the one that I was
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pay for play and Henry, K 
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And then there's a pie one of my
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So is he answered what he 
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before we let him answer, I 
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convince me, you've got to 
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So all the people in the 
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Henriques thing and about half 
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Henry Kay said, 97% looks good 
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really like that. 
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by it was clear, the audience's 
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that one. 
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you would think the 97% really 
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So was that your favorite 
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I thought her pay for, I think 
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was most looking forward to to 
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I mean there were they were all 
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I mean we had a good time you 
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there was some really good ones 
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they doing and seeing what 
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they don't know either they do 
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Yeah, exactly. 
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Well, I don't know if it was my 
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your most embarrassing moment? 
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pass it over to Enrique but he 
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Definitely our end on a lighter 
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If you see Henry K, ask him 
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I think there's just kind of the
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a great story about that. 
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He definitely owned it. 
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Speaking of cutting the cheese, 
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cushions, under any seat within 
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like three or four year olds who
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I got to uh yeah I want to go 
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What's your most embarrassing 
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pro move and said, oh, she 
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that ultimate deflection. 
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super positive looking around 
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people who have been part of our
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former colleagues and, you know,
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the session and saying, like and
you guys did a really good job 

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asked a lot of tough questions 
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identity that the center is like
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We are question. 
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questions but they're, you know,
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I kind of feel like someone's 
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Things were tough questions and,
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appreciated that. 
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of 30 minutes. 
It wasn't a big, you know, Bravo

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Gartner pitch. 
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you haven't heard Gartner 
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dozen times already before, 
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I think we did that. 
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invited back to do something, 
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which would be very cool. 
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had a good show and yeah. 
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I'll go for 30 minutes. 
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yeah So then we have an event 
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out to our SM OCTA, one Cosmos, 
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Ax throwing classic video games.
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there was not a lot of shop 
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It was just basically a bunch of
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yeah, had a great turnout. 
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is very cool. 
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understand if we weren't, you 
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that school, we had a good time 
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And I've discovered that, if the
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in the podcasting, doesn't work 
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I'm a turn, professional actor. 
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I did pretty good man. 
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a professional Acts or but I had
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also want to thank our sponsors 
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the Special Touch in this was 
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like look, I'll says the 
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We've been doing this, you know,
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approach, and it works for us, 
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how that would be perceived, but
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made it really were, was that 
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like a pressure pitch, right? 
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been on the customer side of 
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by vendors. 
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at hard pitch, like when you're 
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buy our software and it's like, 
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condo, right? 
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of pitch and it's like, there 
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everybody was just free to enjoy
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the axes and play the video. 
Names and, you know, enjoy the 

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buffet and all that good stuff. 
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certainly like anybody who 
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are other last video where are 
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What else about the conference 
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was lead like a wolf by Tina and
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of kind of like what kind of C 
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Are you and there was a test to 
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the link in our show. 
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take the test but, you know, the
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interesting that, you know, to 
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You and I both took the test. 
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What kind of CIO you are? 
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So the animals are, you know 
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the dark side and on the both 
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some kind of sad of bird. 
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shark. 
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horrible. 
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that way but you know, I guess I
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wolf, which probably just keeps 
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I guess I don't like to beat 
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Extreme Animal profile wolf CIO 
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you're you're like the Jedi. 
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I don't really know much about 
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analogy but I did. 
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surprised with but I guess 
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be. 
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Axl. 
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License out for stuff like that,
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curious to see what other people
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link in our show notes, take the
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They were not so much technology
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good job of sort of You know, 
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about, you know, IGA or role 
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to open your mind about topics. 
You don't think about everyday. 

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don't want to be in the Keynote.
To focus on your, your subject 

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I will tell you that the the I 

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you don't, I told Becky and 
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you know, some, some impact for 
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and be like, oh, you know, I 
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something and it could be good, 
it can be bad but it's more 

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impactful and it's good to see 
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so good on you. 

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I think everything that Yeah, 
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great, and I think what might be
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get to attend the Keynotes. 
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my bed, sick as a dog and 
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these traveling nurses and the 
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and hook you up to an IV bag, 
and give you a me, no acids, and

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like what's called steroid shots
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You know, you saw me the night 
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So I'd like your 10:00 10:30. 
I was fine. 

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We were having dinner, I had a I
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To got two beers, not a lot 
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a dog and I don't know if it was
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ones in me. 
Just everyone else around. 

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You was fine, we everything was 
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When you texted me that morning 

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was like oh here we go. 
Again, here comes another hey we

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should go speak it. 
At a conference and Jim's going 

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to leave me hanging out to dry 
again. 

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But yeah from actually showed up
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no, I hey man if it wasn't for 
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I'm sure I would have left you 
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well no, we would have been 
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feeling better. 
You were and you were fine. 

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I think by Tuesday night, it 
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felt great. 
Yeah, yeah that it was basically

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the I think this third shot was 
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like the inflammation down 
Everything. 

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our session. 
Let's just be honest here. 

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Oh yeah, yeah for sure. 
So that's that. 

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You know, that's probably news. 
I don't think a lot of people 

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maybe would have caught that 
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But everyone is a miraculous 
recovery. 

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Everyone saw your shoes. 
He had the whitest shoes. 

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No demand. 
They were blindingly, white is 

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what I heard from more than one 
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I actually went to Dick's 
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I was like, those are the The 
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You got a scuff them up a little
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No way, man. 
No way. 

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Let's see what other sessions 
were good Becky. 

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Gave you a shoutout day three 
her her session around I am 

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having a see the table which is 
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asked in our session. 
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I missed it, because I was like,
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I guess she she gave you a 
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So thanks to Becky, you know. 
Hopefully, at some point, he's 

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my favorite analyst because of 
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No not well. 
So yeah a lot of respect to her 

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and I definitely appreciate the 
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on how to run not a good. 
I am program or at least one of 

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our focuses and you got to admit
that's you. 

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And I were like that's that's 
our motor will have our right in

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our wheelhouse. 
Yep. 

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I saw a couple of her sessions 
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I think it's one thing I envy 

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about why the Gartner folks is 
they are all really good 

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presenters and they come up with
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a good conference. 
I enjoyed myself, I didn't 

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attend as many sessions as I 
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the hallway, having 
conversations with lots of 

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people, it was great. 
Lots of listeners kind of came 

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up, which is very cool and 
having conversation with vendors

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and, you know, former clients 
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little bit like a high school 
reunions to some degree. 

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But it but it but a good version

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of that maybe not the nightmare 
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have and yeah, the exhibit hall 
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had, you know, the cooking 
spawn. 

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That's all the Hands-On sort of 
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And I saw a Ford Rock had like a
coffee station. 

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Yeah, there was ice cream Adam 
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the expo hall, those are legit 
good man. 

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One day. 
I had a cookie when I was 

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talking to people and that's how
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Nice. 
There was an article to that we 

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saw. 
I think is from venturebeat, and

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yes, it wasn't ventured be. 
I'll have a link in our show 

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notes, but they're, you know, 
they kind of recap. 

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Some other themes that are out 
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Do you want to take us through 
that? 

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Jim sure. 
Sure was like the four major 

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themes. 
So the first one was avoiding 

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breeches with identity threat 
detection, and response. 

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Itd are so itg are actually I 
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Andre came Becky, this was the 
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does the Game Changer technology
where we had had go vets on the 

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podcast. 
Last Gartner session, where you 

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just kind of like, was starting.
I felt like for me, my eyes were

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just being open to ITT are and 
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identity Intelligence on top of 
Ip technology and detection. 

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That has existed for a long 
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But when you layer identity on 
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more effective. 
Yeah, I kind of like it. 

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It's like what I thought you ba 
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This is sort of like I still 

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feel it's like that evolution of
taking data from systems you 

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have and doing identity things 
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very identity to it. 
Yeah, no. 

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I think you're exactly right. 
Except I think you'e be a fell 

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flat. 
And I think part of it was where

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came in in the, in the cycle of 
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I think Philly guy, TD are 
sitting at a better Time. 

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Yeah I feel like I can be a was 
maybe a little bit too soon. 

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People were still maturing 
people who are still putting in 

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their IGA and Pam platforms and 
10 years is a lawful long time, 

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right? 
To really see companies and 

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other organizations build out 
their identity capabilities. 

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Some. 
So maybe this is a better time. 

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I think there are certainly some
good things that are coming 

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through that space that are 
pretty exciting. 

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So you and I were in Consulting 
when you EBA was kind of the 

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full Life cycle. 
I won't feel like it's dead at 

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this point and someone can come 
on the show and like, challenge 

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me on that and say, no, it's far
from dead but nobody's talking 

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about it anymore. 
But the, the term I didn't eat 

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the center. 
So I schmatta Wala kind of like 

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coined this phrase and then I 
trademarked it and then we try 

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to really get take it back, you 
can have it. 

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But the idea was okay, 
connecting all these identities 

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systems, ueb a was a big part of
that, but it was kind of a and 

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loon system that, you know, we 
said okay well now we've got to 

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build an interface from ueb a to
SSO, the IGA, to Pam, If you 

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don't have this interface with 
him, it's like useless. 

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Like if all I can do is like 
throw up some dashboard, this is

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oh this might be a problem. 
I mean, what good is that? 

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Well I think that's where we saw
like that the lotion of what we 

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what some vendors were calling 
themselves as like Sim 2.0. 

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So Splunk and EXA beam and 
things like that. 

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Where? 
Yeah we had, you know, we as a 

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company we had built 
Integrations right between like 

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exit beam and sale point and 
actually Beeman centrify and 

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kind of things like that. 
Yeah, I mean it's otherwise you 

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got the data in different silos 
and you try to pull it into a 

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gym. 
Generic security incident event 

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monitor type approach. 
Now you've got, I think identity

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is definitely taken a step 
forward and even those products 

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you've got Microsoft Sentinel, 
you know, as out their identity 

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just has kind of taken over. 
So it's gratifying to see us. 

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I feel like, okay, yeah, we were
on the right track, maybe a 

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little bit too soon and 
certainly those other companies 

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are not hurting, right? 
They're doing really well and 

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they have great products. 
But as I A space. 

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I think now is a better time for
organizations to really start to

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look at the analytics component 
of their program and say okay. 

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Do we have the do we are we 
collecting the necessary data 

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and then what are we doing with 
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Seems like we're probably in a 
better position now for people 

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to actually start doing in the 
real world, instead of it being 

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maybe a little more theoretical 
So the next Summit theme was 

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identity for security should 
guide. 

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I am strategy. 100% agree what 
you know, when I was reading 

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this I was like, okay, are I 
think we have to be careful that

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we don't pat ourselves on the 
back too much or or kind of 

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conflate are importance, but I 
don't think we are is it's 

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interesting. 
We met with C. 

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So, two weeks ago or week before
last and you're talking about 

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defense in depth, it's like you 
never even hear about 

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defense-in-depth anymore. 
Now, it's all zero trust. 

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So the defense in depth strategy
is about the idea that you have 

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the these layers of security 
Purity. 

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00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:47,400
And that you'd have to have get 
past multiple layers of security

447
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400
in order to perform a bad 
action. 

448
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,400
Whereas your trust assumes your 
through there's layers and says,

449
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,200
we have to, you know, to secure 
the data. 

450
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,100
In the database. 
We have to secure the database, 

451
00:23:59,100 --> 00:24:02,100
not stop the perpetrator at the 
firewall. 

452
00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:06,700
I think they're both relevant 
and that's why you know that the

453
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:10,700
that's why I was asking myself 
that question of okay, dude. 

454
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:13,300
Are we? 
to wrapped around this identity 

455
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:18,500
for security, identity is 
definitely Key piece, all of 

456
00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:22,400
this, but does that mean defense
in depth as no value anymore? 

457
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,900
Why don't they get? 
I don't think it. 

458
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:27,600
Defense-in-depth has gone away. 
I think it's almost as soon. 

459
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,000
If this point that you've got 
security like an onion, there's 

460
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,400
different layers or Castle, 
right? 

461
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,300
You've got different sort of 
defenses in place. 

462
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,200
I think defense in depth is 
probably a marketing term just 

463
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,300
like zero. 
Trust is it's part of your 

464
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:42,300
strategy. 
I certainly agree. 

465
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:44,200
Identity should be a very 
important part. 

466
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,900
Is it the most important depends
on who you are if you're 100 

467
00:24:47,900 --> 00:24:50,700
percent in the cloud and you 
don't have other layers of 

468
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:52,700
security or as many layers of 
security. 

469
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,100
Yeah, Maybe maybe it is the most
important thing. 

470
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,600
I also think, you know, we are 
in the identity industry so we 

471
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,800
get it. 
There are way more people on the

472
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,800
outside of the eye. 
Dentist industry that probably 

473
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,800
don't quite get it yet. 
You're kind of traditional, you 

474
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,800
know, security folks, who are 
still, they grew up in the world

475
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,800
of firewalls and, you know, 
building perimeters and moats, 

476
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,800
and vpns and things like that. 
And really just in the last, I 

477
00:25:21,808 --> 00:25:24,700
would say five to ten. 
Yours is when identity is really

478
00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:25,700
started. 
Taking hold of. 

479
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:30,400
Oh, this isn't just an 
operational functionality, it 

480
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,400
should be part of our security 
strategy so it takes a while, I 

481
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,900
think for that message to get 
out and, you know, for 

482
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,900
organizations, especially, you 
know, maybe larger ones or ones 

483
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:41,800
that aren't as agile to sort of 
shift around and start to move 

484
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,600
around, priorities and 
Investments and things like 

485
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,600
that, to, really take advantage 
of this new perimeter that we 

486
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,600
call identity. 
It's not new for us, but it's 

487
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,800
probably still new for a lot of 
people out there who just, you 

488
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,300
know, then, I live and breathe 
it every day and they rely on 

489
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,500
others within their organization
or their, you know, their 

490
00:25:57,500 --> 00:25:59,300
networks to kind of help pull 
them up. 

491
00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:01,900
So I think getting the word out 
of still a good idea, for sure, 

492
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,800
we certainly believe in it. 
We didn't name this podcast 

493
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,100
with, you know, with all that in
mind. 

494
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:11,300
So maybe maybe a little bit 
preaching to the choir, but I 

495
00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:13,400
still think we still need to 
sing that song so people can 

496
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
hear it that aren't as involved 
in a day in space. 

497
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,300
Like we are. 
They're good feedback. 

498
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:22,300
So the third Summit theme was 
Keem. 

499
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:28,300
See IEM paves the way for to 
smarter strategies for enabling 

500
00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:33,600
identity fabric immunity. 
Yeah, and this is an area that 

501
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,000
I'm interested in because I say,
kind of mentioned this in our 

502
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:40,400
kind of preview episode Cloud 
infrastructure. 

503
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,700
Entitlement management key 
Morecambe or hornet. 

504
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:43,900
However, the heck were 
pronouncing it. 

505
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,900
I see the value for it. 
I don't know if people really 

506
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,800
understand it yet. 
I think there were some head, 

507
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,600
scratchers. 
There was a session on it. 

508
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,800
I want to say day two, or maybe 
it's day three, and I caught a 

509
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,700
couple people kind of Walk It 
Out and kind of like a what do 

510
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,100
you think about that? 
And I think I kind of got a 

511
00:27:00,108 --> 00:27:03,200
little bit of a like a ASI. 
I'd look like that was 

512
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,700
interesting. 
I'm not sure what I'm supposed 

513
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,400
to do with it yet. 
So maybe this is sort of the 

514
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
next space to kind of keep an 
eye out. 

515
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,900
You know. 
I hear something like identity 

516
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:13,900
fabric community and that sounds
really cool. 

517
00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:15,800
And I also think I don't know 
what the heck that means. 

518
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,400
So what does that even mean? 
I think we need to do a better 

519
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,000
job of sort of figuring out what
the message is there and maybe 

520
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,800
more common language to be able 
to articulate. 

521
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200
It better again for the people 
who are not in the identity 

522
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,500
space or maybe don't have as 
much experience in it or you 

523
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,200
know Whatever it may be. 
So maybe this is something we 

524
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,600
should do a show on a future. 
I know you. 

525
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,200
And I have talked about in the 
past, you've talked to, like, 

526
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,700
Jerry Gable right from from 
Strata. 

527
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:41,900
And we've talked with John 
Morton from British if, you 

528
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,900
know, to name a few, maybe it's 
an area that we come back on and

529
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:48,200
try to get maybe a little more 
detail and sort of demystify it 

530
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,000
or, you know, level set it 
again. 

531
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800
Because I'm sure things have 
changed in the last six months 

532
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,800
of a year or something like that
since we've had those guys on 

533
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,000
Yeah, I, you know, I think the 
thing is Keem is the question I 

534
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,700
ask myself is wasn't this 
required before there's Cloud 

535
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:05,000
infrastructure. 
So it's going out and 

536
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:08,400
essentially, identifying, these 
are your over-provisioned 

537
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,600
accounts. 
And I think what it does in 

538
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,700
order to get that information is
interrogates. 

539
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:22,900
The logs that are available from
the infrastructure vendor. 

540
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:27,400
So Amazon or Microsoft, and it 
goes back and analyze, those and

541
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,500
spits out reports. 
And you can automate actions, 

542
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:37,700
all kind of detective controls. 
So for me, I'm 100% open to 

543
00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:41,400
being convinced that I'm wrong 
here, is that chemo only covers 

544
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,000
a portion of what you need to do
re and it is essentially just 

545
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,900
doing like, log aggregation 
analysis. 

546
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,800
And I think about, you know, if 
you're running a cloud, you've 

547
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,500
got to manage. 
Jenna's, you've got to manage 

548
00:28:56,500 --> 00:29:00,100
authentication, privileged 
access, things like that. 

549
00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:03,700
I don't think keeping really 
does those things. 

550
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,000
So it's only, you know, part of 
the solution as far as the 

551
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,400
solution that you kind of live 
without on the Enterprise, but I

552
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,600
think actually, we probably 
should have had Keen for the 

553
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,400
Enterprise prior to Cloud 
infrastructure. 

554
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:23,800
So yeah, definitely, definitely 
conversation for the future. 

555
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,400
We've got a few shows lined. 
Up coming up in the next few 

556
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,700
months. 
We're going to be talking about 

557
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:32,600
Hakeem and Cloud infrastructure 
and best practices and all that 

558
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,500
stuff. 
So the fourth and final General 

559
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:41,000
theme was Journey time. 
I am orchestration delivers 

560
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,500
better user experience. 
Yeah, that's a, that's a lot to 

561
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,100
say in one sentence. 
So I think, really, the way I 

562
00:29:49,108 --> 00:29:53,200
take the takeaway I got from 
that is really again the see the

563
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,800
table, right? 
We're not designing things in 

564
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,300
The Silo, if you're designing an
experience, you need to make 

565
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:00,000
sure you've got everything pull 
together. 

566
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,600
It can't just be, hey, we're 
going to put single sign-on in 

567
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:04,600
and be done with it. 
It's okay. 

568
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,300
Well, what's the journey look 
like from a user? 

569
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,700
This is probably more focused on
the customer or consumer side of

570
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:11,400
things, but certainly on the 
Enterprise as well, right? 

571
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,400
You don't want people looking 
for ways around your, your The 

572
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,500
apparatus right from a security 
perspective. 

573
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,900
So I think understanding what 
the stakeholders are. 

574
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:21,800
And what is the cohesive vision 
of? 

575
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,700
How do you want this to work and
trying to be strategic around? 

576
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,400
It is really kind of take away. 
I took from that from that 

577
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,300
statement. 
Yeah, you know, I work for the 

578
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:35,300
client where there were really 
focused on building custom 

579
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:40,200
Journeys, that provided a good 
user experience for their 

580
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,300
constituents variable called, 
constituents is kind of like the

581
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:50,900
external member population and 
really, it's about really 

582
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:54,500
thinking through those Journeys.
So, for example, I think the 

583
00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,300
example I was using the 
venturebeat Articles around 

584
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:01,500
identity proofing, and doing the
You know, the, you know, show 

585
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:06,400
your passport and then do a 
selfie things like that, it has 

586
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
to flow, it has to make sense to
the user. 

587
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,400
Has to be something that they're
not going to abandon because 

588
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,000
inappropriately placed like, all
I want to do is buy a book. 

589
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:21,400
And now you're asking me to show
my passport, like that's the 

590
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:26,200
that what you get for that, that
giving up that much of your 

591
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,800
private information is obviously
not worth it in that scenario. 

592
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:34,300
So I think it makes sense, I 
think at a high level like 

593
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:38,100
again, these are themes, right? 
So it's how do you make 

594
00:31:38,100 --> 00:31:43,600
appropriate Journeys? 
Include I am workflows so that 

595
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,300
you're building a better 
customer experience and not 

596
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,200
worst. 
Customer experience by, you 

597
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,600
know, yes, we're going to 
improve your security. 

598
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,500
Yes, we have all this great 
technology has to be 

599
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:57,100
appropriate. 
Has to make sense to the user, 

600
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,700
has to be intuitive. 
Yeah, I think that's true for 

601
00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:02,500
everything, right? 
It's kind of make sense, just 

602
00:32:02,500 --> 00:32:04,600
because it's cool. 
Maybe it's a cool thing, but 

603
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,900
maybe doesn't make sense for 
whatever you're trying to build 

604
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:10,600
out there any final thoughts on 
the conference or we start to 

605
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,500
wrap things up. 
I say we can wrap things up. 

606
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:18,400
But you know, I gotta say like, 
you know, I wish I was able to 

607
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,500
attend sessions due to my 
illness. 

608
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:26,300
I wasn't able to but you know 
what, I could tell it being in 

609
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,200
what was in Grapevine, Texas. 
Has, which is right near the 

610
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,300
Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. 
The facility was really good. 

611
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Again, you get that bubble 
feeling like you get inside the 

612
00:32:39,608 --> 00:32:45,200
bubble and you almost don't want
to leave the bowl and I think 

613
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,200
that you can kind of get that in
Vegas, but because Vegas has 

614
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,100
such a draw to leave your 
Resort. 

615
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,000
So, my understanding is that the
next Gardener conference is not 

616
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,400
going to happen until late next 
year, and it will be back in 

617
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Vegas. 
Yep, we'll be back at. 

618
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,000
No, it won't be back in Vegas. 
It'll be back in Grapevine, 

619
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Texas. 
The same place. 

620
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,200
So we were this time, same 
location, but it will not be for

621
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600
another 18 months ish, it'll be 
at the end of 2024. 

622
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,800
So plenty of time to prepare and
you know, get ready for that. 

623
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,800
Well, very cool. 
Alright. 

624
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,500
So, That's a No-No later. 
Know what food could you eat the

625
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:30,500
most amount of sushi? 
I've eaten much Sushi. 

626
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:35,100
Do you think you could put away 
in one setting a couple pounds 

627
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,600
to the point where it's like, 
hums my Sushi? 

628
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,700
Oh yeah. 
Definitely pounds of sushi. 

629
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,100
Well, definitely pounds of 
sushi. 

630
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:48,500
I mean I can be a probably two 
pounds of sushi without unlike a

631
00:33:48,508 --> 00:33:54,500
regular weeknight after working 
out especially but There's a, 

632
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,300
there's several foods that I 
could do, as you like, 

633
00:33:56,300 --> 00:34:00,100
Thanksgiving dinners, is another
one where I could just sit there

634
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:04,700
and eat like three helpings of 
Thanksgiving dinner and being 

635
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:06,900
such pain. 
It's not a good thing though. 

636
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,900
Not good thing. 
What about you? 

637
00:34:09,699 --> 00:34:10,900
It's funny. 
You mention Thanksgiving thing I

638
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:14,000
never over, eat on Thanksgiving.
I'm usually like a one plate and

639
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,000
done, and it's not even like 
that, that stacked or anything 

640
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,400
like that. 
Well, I'm a simple, man, I'll 

641
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,100
say something like chips, right?
I can, I could certainly do a 

642
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:28,300
bag of Doritos or you know, some
chip variety snack variety. 

643
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,100
I don't know if I get to two 
pounds of sushi or something 

644
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:35,100
like that but you know, I'm more
of a snacker type person. 

645
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,699
You know. 
I think Oreos by the sleeve 

646
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,100
should be the dietary like the 
should be like the you know the 

647
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,600
serving size and its difficulty 
like one of those I'm more of a 

648
00:34:44,607 --> 00:34:48,600
muncher that kind of thing. 
So if you could have a robot 

649
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,100
that would just sit there and 
like don't your Oreos for you 

650
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:52,300
and feed them to you, would you 
do? 

651
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:56,000
It a robot now because I think 
part of the joy is Duncan 

652
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,700
yourself, right? 
You get a little bit of the milk

653
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,600
on your fingers and you kind of 
work through that. 

654
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,100
Like, you know, I want, I got to
do something to burn some of 

655
00:35:04,107 --> 00:35:05,700
those calories. 
I'll just keep getting rounder 

656
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:09,500
and rounder. 
You do the dunking, right? 

657
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,100
We'll end up like idiocracy the 
movie or something like that. 

658
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:15,700
Yeah, I actually do like, do 
like Oreos. 

659
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000
Hmm, you got me thinking now, 
Jeff? 

660
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,600
Yeah, what thinking desserts? 
It's only thinking like. 

661
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:25,300
No metal objects, auklet. 
I mean things like M&M's 

662
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:27,600
chocolate covered almonds like 
those kinds of things. 

663
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,700
What about caramels? 
I don't know if I've ever had a 

664
00:35:31,707 --> 00:35:34,300
Carmelo. 
I think I picture it, but I 

665
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:36,500
don't know if I think it's too 
chewy. 

666
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,900
Probably maybe know they're not 
true at all. 

667
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,500
Actually, but they are too 
messy. 

668
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,200
The, the caramel is like, like, 
well, what is it looks 

669
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,200
abandoned? 
What's that is like, 

670
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,500
chocolate-covered caramels that 
what I'm thinking shark over 

671
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caramel and like bar form and 
the caramel is very loose. 

672
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,600
So like if you bite it in the 
middle of the square it would 

673
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,500
just run everywhere, okay? 
I think I know where talk about,

674
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you know what, that's what it 
was called, but, yeah, those are

675
00:36:02,700 --> 00:36:04,100
good. 
Yes. 

676
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:08,000
And then the other employee 
like, Heath or Square bars. 

677
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,600
I don't know about a he threw a 
score by. 

678
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,000
I'm not a toughie type of 
person. 

679
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,200
Oh yeah. 
You guess like, jammed up in 

680
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,100
your teeth? 
Yeah, give me a Snickers bar, 

681
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,500
I'll House Snickers bars. 
Like it's nobody's business. 

682
00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:24,400
How many Snickers bars? 
Do you think you could do an 

683
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,000
unhealthy amount which is leave 
it that way? 

684
00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:32,600
So I got a funny story When I 
was in elementary school, it was

685
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a parent-teacher night and I 
went with my dad and went to sit

686
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,300
with the teacher and she's like,
I'd like to show you something. 

687
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:44,000
Gets my dad walks back to my 
desk. 

688
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:47,500
It was one of those old deaths 
were like flipped up and you can

689
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:51,000
put all your stuff and it was 
full of candy Rock. 

690
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:01,700
But could you imagine Like a 
fifth grader, like such a sugar 

691
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:02,700
high. 
Mmm. 

692
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,800
You remember those that, like 
fundraiser packs of like M&M's, 

693
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,100
were they like the boxes? 
We would do Eminem Shooters and 

694
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:15,300
basically we'd buy a box like 
the little, you know, not not 

695
00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:17,400
the full box with all the all 
the different mini boxes in it. 

696
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,800
But here's a box of atoms for 
fundraising and we would eat 

697
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,300
them all at the same time. 
So you'd have a mouth full of an

698
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:27,800
entire package of M&M's. 
Yeah. 

699
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,900
Could you imagine trying to 
teach Teach us after that or 

700
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,500
match. 
If you got like all of a sudden 

701
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,300
like really bad cough in here, 
like flew out of your mouth 

702
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,200
gross. 
All right, that's a good spot. 

703
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,000
Thanks Jim for bring us down a 
level again. 

704
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,000
We're going to go ahead and 
leave it there. 

705
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,500
Yeah, so as the great Bill 
Belichick, once said we're on to

706
00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:50,000
Cincinnati. 
Next up, for us is identi verse 

707
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coming up at the end of May we 
have a special discount code for

708
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:59,300
all of our listeners. 
It's i d v Dash. 

709
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:03,400
I see een 20. 
I'll have it in our show notes 

710
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,700
so people want to grab it, they 
get 20% off the registration 

711
00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,900
which is very cool. 
So, I know a couple people 

712
00:38:08,900 --> 00:38:11,100
already taken advantage of it. 
It doesn't unfortunately, apply 

713
00:38:11,100 --> 00:38:12,800
if you've already registered, 
but if you haven't, you're late 

714
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,900
to the game a little bit of 
Saving Grace that people can use

715
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,900
for that. 
So again, that will be 

716
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:20,700
identified as coming up at the 
end of May, that is in Las 

717
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,000
Vegas. 
So Jim, and I will see you 

718
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,500
there. 
I think we're going to try to 

719
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:26,800
plan another event for the for 
the kind of podcast. 

720
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,100
Maybe this thing, couple kind of
figure out what that looks like,

721
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,400
they That feels like a little 
bit tougher because if you don't

722
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,800
get in soon you kind of lose, 
you know, locations that are 

723
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,500
kind of convenient and then you 
end up having to drive or get an

724
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:41,400
Uber or something like that. 
So we still got a full, it's 

725
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,800
also be realistic. 
Vegas is going to be like 10 

726
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,100
times more expensive than 
Grapevine Texas. 

727
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:50,000
That's exactly. 
So if you're looking to sponsor,

728
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,200
hit us up, we'd love to partner 
up with folks. 

729
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,600
Yeah, so let's go and leave it 
there for this week. 

730
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:58,000
We're on the web ID c-- 
podcast.com. 

731
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,900
We're on Twitter at, I Ideas. 
See podcast. 

732
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,300
If you were lucky enough to get 
one of our fancy stickers at 

733
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:07,300
Gartner, throw it on a laptop, 
throw it on somewhere, take a 

734
00:39:07,308 --> 00:39:10,200
picture, send it to me. 
Be happy to feature it on our on

735
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,400
our Twitter Channel. 
We're on Mastodon at idac 

736
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,000
podcast at infosec dot exchange.
Jim and I are always on 

737
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,100
LinkedIn. 
Always talk with folks and happy

738
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,700
to connect with our listeners. 
And don't forget to like And 

739
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,300
subscribe this. 
That's the best way that you can

740
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:27,200
help us out and, you know, keep 
us going with new episodes. 

741
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,300
So with that, we'll go ahead and
leave it for this week. 

742
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,100
Jenna's always thinks your time.
Glad to see you healthy and hail

743
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,400
at the end of the week compared 
to where we started. 

744
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,100
And we'll talk with everyone in 
the next one. 

745
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,200
You've been listening to 
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746
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:46,800
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747
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748
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749
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:01,400
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