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Now your host Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman, welcome to the
identity of the center podcast I'm Jeff and that's gem.
Hey Jim. Hey Jeff.
How are you? Not so bad yourself and I feel
like I've been seeing a lot of you lately, you sure have?
Why is that? I always in back to traveling
together and then this week we were at the Carter I am Summit
and we did a podcast on stage together which was fun, that was
the first time we've ever done that and then we had a fun event
that night. So we'll get to talk about all
that. Yeah we've been hanging tough
man. Yeah we've been on the road
quite a bit, kind of like the good old days but yeah Gartner
was fun this week and really that's why I think what this
episode is all about. Just kind of recapping our
experience from this week. So you and I were at Gartner
basically Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
And today is Friday, and this episode, we'll go live the
following Monday. So we'll be hearing this sort of
an in real time almost sort of for us but it was a crazy.
It was a cool experience man. I mean Definitely want to give a
shout-out to Henry, came Becky, they brought it to our session.
It was a good time and it was cool.
Doing that sort of podcast style session.
If you were there great, you saw it.
And you were part of it, if you weren't.
We're still hopeful maybe that we might be able to get the
recording at some point. But as of now, it is a kind of
had to be there or be square type of situation.
Yeah, I also think that even if we do, get the audio might not
be the best cleaners. Audio of any episode we've ever
published a new that Henriques, his mic was going in and out and
things like that. So it's just the way it is.
Yeah, I mean our fuse, there were a few Logistics issues but
I think the actual content and stuff like that was was pretty
good. We got some laughs in the room
and kind of put their put the had them put their thinking hats
on, including the one that I was looking forward to is Gartner
pay for play and Henry, K answering that.
And then there's a pie one of my favorite moments.
So is he answered what he answered and then before I die,
before we let him answer, I said, okay, you don't have to
convince me, you've got to convince the audience, right?
So all the people in the audience were asked afterwards.
So raise your hand. If you were convinced by
Henriques thing and about half the people raise their hands but
Henry Kay said, 97% looks good to me and then we moved on, I
really like that. Yeah, that was here, Audio Only
by it was clear, the audience's head of like mixed reactions on
that one. Yeah, if your audio only that
you would think the 97% really happened but yeah, it was.
So was that your favorite question?
I thought her pay for, I think that was the one they think I
was most looking forward to to see what the answer was.
I mean there were they were all fun.
I mean we had a good time you know listener questions came in
there was some really good ones about Thoma Bravo and what are
they doing and seeing what Enrique and Becky are, you know,
thought swear if I had to sum it up, they had a good answer but
they don't know either they do No either.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
We're all kind of wondering like, what's going on over
there? What about you?
Well, I don't know if it was my favorite question, my favorite
answer. So the question was, what was
your most embarrassing moment? I Becky was more than happy to
pass it over to Enrique but he told a hilarious story so I
don't want to spoil the here because I feel like this is
something you should go up to Enrique.
And ask about oh well that's going to kind of take the the
air out of my story then, so okay.
Fine. But every Valley is the best
question is the most it was? Yes, it was.
Definitely our end on a lighter note was definitely worth it.
If you see Henry K, ask him about the cut, the cheese story,
and I think that's how we worry, because no one's going to tell
it better than him. Right?
I think there's just kind of the way it was, but Welsh, he shared
a great story about that. Yeah, no, he definitely.
He definitely owned it. Yeah, we had a funny moment.
Speaking of cutting the cheese, we got a uber ride back.
I think it was that night and the Uber driver had fart mode in
his Tesla. I'd never heard of it.
But apparently like to Teslas, capable of like putting whoopee,
cushions, under any seat within the car and I could just imagine
like three or four year olds who are in the car and you know the
cars going around just doing the whoopee cushion under
everybody's sitting in the car and then just having a good ol
time. Yeah.
I Have to imagine because I have nieces and nephews that have
been in the car and I have demonstrated that feature as
part of the Tesla but it is a lot of fun.
I mean you entities working with the engineers and yeah and yeah
we were just we were crying laughing.
Yeah it was it was good times so interesting for sure.
I got to uh yeah I want to go back to our session will quit
because I thought you know, Enrique story was great about.
What's your most embarrassing moment?
I'm going to give a shout-out to Becky cuz She did the ultimate
pro move and said, oh, she didn't answer it.
She said, oh Henriques, got a great story and then just went
over to him. So hats off again to Becky for
that ultimate deflection. I thought that it was well
played. Yeah.
Well I you know, my overall impression of the session was
super positive looking around the audience and seeing so many
people who have been part of our professional pass, for the past,
you know, decade-plus and Consulting.
And We know who listen to the podcast, your former clients or
former colleagues and, you know, new people that were meeting on
an almost daily basis. And then folks coming up after
the session and saying, like and you guys did a really good job
asked a lot of tough questions because I don't really think of
identity that the center is like Face the Nation, right?
We are question. I wouldn't say they're softball
questions but they're, you know, not putting anybody on the spot.
I kind of feel like someone's question.
Things were tough questions and, you know, I think people really
appreciated that. It wasn't a, it wasn't a waste
of 30 minutes. It wasn't a big, you know, Bravo
Gartner pitch. Yeah.
And we asked questions that way that we thought, you know, they
you haven't heard Gartner analyst, answer, you know, a
dozen times already before, which is cool.
I think we did that. Well, you know, hopefully get
invited back to do something, you know, similar in the future,
which would be very cool. But yeah, I think we, I think we
had a good show and yeah. That's pretty much I think.
I'll go for 30 minutes. It went by really quickly and
yeah So then we have an event that night we went axe-throwing
which is super cool. Definitely got to give a shout
out to our SM OCTA, one Cosmos, they sponsor that entire thing.
We rent it out an entire place to do.
Ax throwing classic video games. There was food, there was a bar,
there was not a lot of shop talk, which was great.
It was just basically a bunch of people having fun listeners and
yeah, had a great turnout. So lots of folks attended which
is very cool. It was a very competitive night.
I think everybody did their thing and of Tuesday night so
understand if we weren't, you know, if you're unable to attend
that school, we had a good time anyway.
And I've discovered that, if the identity thing doesn't work out
in the podcasting, doesn't work out.
I'm a turn, professional actor. Or how did you do?
I did pretty good man. I definitely am not going to be
a professional Acts or but I had a fantastic time and I out I
also want to thank our sponsors are some In 1080P, as I think
the Special Touch in this was that, you know, it's kind of
like look, I'll says the identity of the sender podcast.
We've been doing this, you know, vendor-neutral, vendor agnostic
approach, and it works for us, right?
So having a sponsored event is kind of like a little concern of
how that would be perceived, but I think one of the things that
made it really were, was that the event there was, it wasn't
like a pressure pitch, right? It wasn't like, Like as I've
been on the customer side of things before getting into
Consulting and went to, you know, dinners or events held by
by vendors. And sometimes you get like that
at hard pitch, like when you're going to sign the paperwork to
buy our software and it's like, like, by the way, I've got a
condo, right? Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. It's kind of like that that kind
of pitch and it's like, there was none of that going on and
everybody was just free to enjoy themselves and free to through
the axes and play the video. Names and, you know, enjoy the
buffet and all that good stuff. So it was a great night.
Got to meet a lot of folks who listen to the show, I know some
people signed up and weren't able to make it.
I think you know that's the nature of the Beast and
certainly like anybody who wasn't able to attend still you
know, love to connect to some point in the future.
I'm sure we'll do something in the future.
I mean this isn't our last conference and you know there
are other last video where are we?
You thinking about your next one.
Usually people say this isn't my first rodeo, I think we, you
know, went well enough, we can say it's not our last Rodeo.
Yeah. Definitely.
What else about the conference itself?
I mean, we had a great session, we had a great event ourselves
but yeah, I think the session that the conference itself was
good. So the opening keynote kind of
kicked. All right, off with a bang, it
was lead like a wolf by Tina and you know, I hope I pronounce it
right. Basically, asking the question
of kind of like what kind of C so are your CIO.
Are you and there was a test to take in the app, on the web, all
the link in our show. You lots of people can kind of
take the test but, you know, the idea I think was it was
interesting that, you know, to see the different animals and
what her thought process was going into this.
You and I both took the test. Do you want to share?
What kind of CIO you are? Sure.
So the animals are, you know basically they give you after
you finish, you get a graphic. And there's the light side and
the dark side and on the both sides, there's three different
categories, power manipulation, and warfare.
So a light size like we're fairs that dolphin manipulation is
some kind of sad of bird. And power is like a sheep.
The Light Side means like you're, I guess like you're not
that aggressive. The dark side is power is a
lying manipulative. Shows the snake Warfare so
shark. So my approach to power was lion
which is basically positional and coercive power as well, so
horrible. I don't really think of myself
that way but you know, I guess I answered the questions, your
approach to manipulation wolf, your approach to Warfare Junior
wolf, which probably just keeps me barely on the dark side.
I guess I don't like to beat people up too much and Your
Extreme Animal profile wolf CIO which I think is like.
So wolf was like right in the center which meant I think
you're you're like the Jedi. You're on the light, you're
you're in the light but maybe you're in the gray or if you're
in the middle. Yeah.
I don't really know much about yet.
I saw. I don't know why I use that
analogy but I did. Yeah.
So I got wolf straight across the board and I was kind of
surprised with but I guess that's where you kind of want to
be. Is in the middle.
I think I was the idea right? Is to be cut.
Axl. But I was talking to people
after the you know, after the session about it I feel like
this is another area where context and audience matters.
There's a time to be a snake. I guess I don't throw I don't
feel like them because every time to be a snake but in the
concept of this test right a snake vs.
A dove or a sheep vs lion. You know, are you launch or
liability is essentially the sort of the thing but I would
have liked to seen a Jedi version of this, but I can
imagine Disney would be, you know, willing.
License out for stuff like that, but in the middle are the gray,
Jedi the wolf right. They're able to adapt and sort
of filter out and change. You know, what's needed.
So so I ended up being a wolf and that's the story and I'd be
curious to see what other people we know.
If they've taken the test, I think, Daniel mentioned, he was
a wolf. I'm curious, if we'll have a
link in our show notes, take the tests, hit us up on LinkedIn.
You know what you end up with have your surprise or that, or
maybe reach out to Tina, as you know, she's what I put this
together but I thought was really cool.
Great way to kike open up the conference was having something
like that right away and really all the key notes are great.
They were not so much technology Focus.
They were more on people, psychology, bias, inclusion,
diversity, things like that. There was plenty of technical
content. I think the key notes that a
good job of sort of You know, weighing up the other side of it
so it wasn't so, you know, focused on when he one specific
area, I think if you enter Gardener in the keynote was
about, you know, IGA or role management.
I'd be like this is garbage because the Keynotes is supposed
to open your mind about topics. You don't think about everyday.
So, to me, the sounds like, right on target, you know, you
don't want to be in the Keynote. To focus on your, your subject
for the conference. Yeah, it was good.
I enjoyed it. I will tell you that the the I
think it was I remember was end of day 1 or me as being of day
to there was a keynote and it was very emotional for some
people like people were crying in the bathrooms, things like
that. So it was definitely, you know,
you don't, I told Becky and Enrique this, like you're not
supposed to go to Gartner for the fields, but they brought it
this year. So, there was definitely some,
you know, some, some impact for for some Which is great.
I think that's, you know, it's one thing to go to a conference
and be like, oh, you know, I learned something.
There's another one. There's another level of
conference. I think we're it's oh I felt
something and it could be good, it can be bad but it's more
memorable. I think that way and maybe more
impactful and it's good to see content like that out there.
So I don't want to, I won't spoil it for folks, but there
was a there was a good one there.
And there were quite a few folks who I think took that kind of
message to heart that was there so good on you.
I think everything that Yeah, the way you described that is
great, and I think what might be coming through is that I didn't
get to attend the Keynotes. I spent the entire day Monday in
my bed, sick as a dog and actually, so in Texas, they have
these traveling nurses and the nurses will come to your room
and hook you up to an IV bag, and give you a me, no acids, and
like what's called steroid shots and stuff like that.
You know, you saw me the night before, right?
So I'd like your 10:00 10:30. I was fine.
We were having dinner, I had a I had two beers swear.
To got two beers, not a lot within a couple hours of sick as
a dog and I don't know if it was food poisoning or just whatever
ones in me. Just everyone else around.
You was fine, we everything was good.
Yeah. When you texted me that morning
was like oh here we go. Again, here comes another hey we
should go speak it. At a conference and Jim's going
to leave me hanging out to dry again.
But yeah from actually showed up to leave you out to dry but no,
no, I hey man if it wasn't for that, I'd be IV bag.
I'm sure I would have left you out to dry eyes, sorry to say,
well no, we would have been fine, but I'm glad you're
feeling better. You were and you were fine.
I think by Tuesday night, it seems like so let's just and I
felt great. Yeah, yeah that it was basically
the I think this third shot was the biggest thing so that takes
like the inflammation down Everything.
So you're getting your just wanted to get swollen jacked for
our session. Let's just be honest here.
Oh yeah, yeah for sure. So that's that.
You know, that's probably news. I don't think a lot of people
maybe would have caught that like on when we were doing our
session on stage. But yeah, I think it.
But everyone is a miraculous recovery.
Everyone saw your shoes. He had the whitest shoes.
No demand. They were blindingly, white is
what I heard from more than one person.
I actually went to Dick's Sporting Goods and I saw him.
I was like, those are the The shoes.
You got a scuff them up a little bit or something.
No way, man. No way.
Let's see what other sessions were good Becky.
Gave you a shoutout day three her her session around I am
having a see the table which is one of the questions that we
asked in our session. But I was very cool.
I missed it, because I was like, 3 minutes late to get it in and
I guess she she gave you a shout-out in the podcast show.
So thanks to Becky, you know. Hopefully, at some point, he's
my favorite analyst because of that, yes, it's right there.
No not well. So yeah a lot of respect to her
and I definitely appreciate the shout out but like her focus is
on how to run not a good. I am program or at least one of
our focuses and you got to admit that's you.
And I were like that's that's our motor will have our right in
our wheelhouse. Yep.
I saw a couple of her sessions and you know she's a good
speaker. I think it's one thing I envy
about why the Gartner folks is they are all really good
presenters and they come up with such Good content all the time.
And I don't want to feel like I'm kissing but here, but it was
a good conference. I enjoyed myself, I didn't
attend as many sessions as I normally would, because I was in
the hallway, having conversations with lots of
people, it was great. Lots of listeners kind of came
up, which is very cool and having conversation with vendors
and, you know, former clients and former colleagues, it felt a
little bit like a high school reunions to some degree.
Yeah. But it but it but a good version
of that maybe not the nightmare version that maybe some people
have and yeah, the exhibit hall was Lee well, laid out and they
had, you know, the cooking spawn.
That's all the Hands-On sort of like a cafe in the back.
And I saw a Ford Rock had like a coffee station.
Yeah, there was ice cream Adam party for, but the cookies in
the expo hall, those are legit good man.
So I definitely took part of that that was my lunch.
One day. I had a cookie when I was
talking to people and that's how I made it to dinner.
Nice. There was an article to that we
saw. I think is from venturebeat, and
yes, it wasn't ventured be. I'll have a link in our show
notes, but they're, you know, they kind of recap.
Some other themes that are out there.
Do you want to take us through that?
Jim sure. Sure was like the four major
themes. So the first one was avoiding
breeches with identity threat detection, and response.
Itd are so itg are actually I think during our session with
Andre came Becky, this was the thing that he brought up like
does the Game Changer technology where we had had go vets on the
podcast. Last Gartner session, where you
just kind of like, was starting. I felt like for me, my eyes were
just being open to ITT are and to me it's like this layering of
identity Intelligence on top of Ip technology and detection.
That has existed for a long time.
But when you layer identity on top of it, it becomes so much
more effective. Yeah, I kind of like it.
It's like what I thought you ba was going to become like 10
years ago. This is sort of like I still
feel it's like that evolution of taking data from systems you
have and doing identity things with it is the way I look at
very identity to it. Yeah, no.
I think you're exactly right. Except I think you'e be a fell
flat. And I think part of it was where
came in in the, in the cycle of it.
I think Philly guy, TD are sitting at a better Time.
Yeah I feel like I can be a was maybe a little bit too soon.
People were still maturing people who are still putting in
their IGA and Pam platforms and 10 years is a lawful long time,
right? To really see companies and
other organizations build out their identity capabilities.
Some. So maybe this is a better time.
I think there are certainly some good things that are coming
through that space that are pretty exciting.
So you and I were in Consulting when you EBA was kind of the
full Life cycle. I won't feel like it's dead at
this point and someone can come on the show and like, challenge
me on that and say, no, it's far from dead but nobody's talking
about it anymore. But the, the term I didn't eat
the center. So I schmatta Wala kind of like
coined this phrase and then I trademarked it and then we try
to really get take it back, you can have it.
But the idea was okay, connecting all these identities
systems, ueb a was a big part of that, but it was kind of a and
loon system that, you know, we said okay well now we've got to
build an interface from ueb a to SSO, the IGA, to Pam, If you
don't have this interface with him, it's like useless.
Like if all I can do is like throw up some dashboard, this is
oh this might be a problem. I mean, what good is that?
Well I think that's where we saw like that the lotion of what we
what some vendors were calling themselves as like Sim 2.0.
So Splunk and EXA beam and things like that.
Where? Yeah we had, you know, we as a
company we had built Integrations right between like
exit beam and sale point and actually Beeman centrify and
kind of things like that. Yeah, I mean it's otherwise you
got the data in different silos and you try to pull it into a
gym. Generic security incident event
monitor type approach. Now you've got, I think identity
is definitely taken a step forward and even those products
you've got Microsoft Sentinel, you know, as out their identity
just has kind of taken over. So it's gratifying to see us.
I feel like, okay, yeah, we were on the right track, maybe a
little bit too soon and certainly those other companies
are not hurting, right? They're doing really well and
they have great products. But as I A space.
I think now is a better time for organizations to really start to
look at the analytics component of their program and say okay.
Do we have the do we are we collecting the necessary data
and then what are we doing with it?
Seems like we're probably in a better position now for people
to actually start doing in the real world, instead of it being
maybe a little more theoretical So the next Summit theme was
identity for security should guide.
I am strategy. 100% agree what you know, when I was reading
this I was like, okay, are I think we have to be careful that
we don't pat ourselves on the back too much or or kind of
conflate are importance, but I don't think we are is it's
interesting. We met with C.
So, two weeks ago or week before last and you're talking about
defense in depth, it's like you never even hear about
defense-in-depth anymore. Now, it's all zero trust.
So the defense in depth strategy is about the idea that you have
the these layers of security Purity.
And that you'd have to have get past multiple layers of security
in order to perform a bad action.
Whereas your trust assumes your through there's layers and says,
we have to, you know, to secure the data.
In the database. We have to secure the database,
not stop the perpetrator at the firewall.
I think they're both relevant and that's why you know that the
that's why I was asking myself that question of okay, dude.
Are we? to wrapped around this identity
for security, identity is definitely Key piece, all of
this, but does that mean defense in depth as no value anymore?
Why don't they get? I don't think it.
Defense-in-depth has gone away. I think it's almost as soon.
If this point that you've got security like an onion, there's
different layers or Castle, right?
You've got different sort of defenses in place.
I think defense in depth is probably a marketing term just
like zero. Trust is it's part of your
strategy. I certainly agree.
Identity should be a very important part.
Is it the most important depends on who you are if you're 100
percent in the cloud and you don't have other layers of
security or as many layers of security.
Yeah, Maybe maybe it is the most important thing.
I also think, you know, we are in the identity industry so we
get it. There are way more people on the
outside of the eye. Dentist industry that probably
don't quite get it yet. You're kind of traditional, you
know, security folks, who are still, they grew up in the world
of firewalls and, you know, building perimeters and moats,
and vpns and things like that. And really just in the last, I
would say five to ten. Yours is when identity is really
started. Taking hold of.
Oh, this isn't just an operational functionality, it
should be part of our security strategy so it takes a while, I
think for that message to get out and, you know, for
organizations, especially, you know, maybe larger ones or ones
that aren't as agile to sort of shift around and start to move
around, priorities and Investments and things like
that, to, really take advantage of this new perimeter that we
call identity. It's not new for us, but it's
probably still new for a lot of people out there who just, you
know, then, I live and breathe it every day and they rely on
others within their organization or their, you know, their
networks to kind of help pull them up.
So I think getting the word out of still a good idea, for sure,
we certainly believe in it. We didn't name this podcast
with, you know, with all that in mind.
So maybe maybe a little bit preaching to the choir, but I
still think we still need to sing that song so people can
hear it that aren't as involved in a day in space.
Like we are. They're good feedback.
So the third Summit theme was Keem.
See IEM paves the way for to smarter strategies for enabling
identity fabric immunity. Yeah, and this is an area that
I'm interested in because I say, kind of mentioned this in our
kind of preview episode Cloud infrastructure.
Entitlement management key Morecambe or hornet.
However, the heck were pronouncing it.
I see the value for it. I don't know if people really
understand it yet. I think there were some head,
scratchers. There was a session on it.
I want to say day two, or maybe it's day three, and I caught a
couple people kind of Walk It Out and kind of like a what do
you think about that? And I think I kind of got a
little bit of a like a ASI. I'd look like that was
interesting. I'm not sure what I'm supposed
to do with it yet. So maybe this is sort of the
next space to kind of keep an eye out.
You know. I hear something like identity
fabric community and that sounds really cool.
And I also think I don't know what the heck that means.
So what does that even mean? I think we need to do a better
job of sort of figuring out what the message is there and maybe
more common language to be able to articulate.
It better again for the people who are not in the identity
space or maybe don't have as much experience in it or you
know Whatever it may be. So maybe this is something we
should do a show on a future. I know you.
And I have talked about in the past, you've talked to, like,
Jerry Gable right from from Strata.
And we've talked with John Morton from British if, you
know, to name a few, maybe it's an area that we come back on and
try to get maybe a little more detail and sort of demystify it
or, you know, level set it again.
Because I'm sure things have changed in the last six months
of a year or something like that since we've had those guys on
Yeah, I, you know, I think the thing is Keem is the question I
ask myself is wasn't this required before there's Cloud
infrastructure. So it's going out and
essentially, identifying, these are your over-provisioned
accounts. And I think what it does in
order to get that information is interrogates.
The logs that are available from the infrastructure vendor.
So Amazon or Microsoft, and it goes back and analyze, those and
spits out reports. And you can automate actions,
all kind of detective controls. So for me, I'm 100% open to
being convinced that I'm wrong here, is that chemo only covers
a portion of what you need to do re and it is essentially just
doing like, log aggregation analysis.
And I think about, you know, if you're running a cloud, you've
got to manage. Jenna's, you've got to manage
authentication, privileged access, things like that.
I don't think keeping really does those things.
So it's only, you know, part of the solution as far as the
solution that you kind of live without on the Enterprise, but I
think actually, we probably should have had Keen for the
Enterprise prior to Cloud infrastructure.
So yeah, definitely, definitely conversation for the future.
We've got a few shows lined. Up coming up in the next few
months. We're going to be talking about
Hakeem and Cloud infrastructure and best practices and all that
stuff. So the fourth and final General
theme was Journey time. I am orchestration delivers
better user experience. Yeah, that's a, that's a lot to
say in one sentence. So I think, really, the way I
take the takeaway I got from that is really again the see the
table, right? We're not designing things in
The Silo, if you're designing an experience, you need to make
sure you've got everything pull together.
It can't just be, hey, we're going to put single sign-on in
and be done with it. It's okay.
Well, what's the journey look like from a user?
This is probably more focused on the customer or consumer side of
things, but certainly on the Enterprise as well, right?
You don't want people looking for ways around your, your The
apparatus right from a security perspective.
So I think understanding what the stakeholders are.
And what is the cohesive vision of?
How do you want this to work and trying to be strategic around?
It is really kind of take away. I took from that from that
statement. Yeah, you know, I work for the
client where there were really focused on building custom
Journeys, that provided a good user experience for their
constituents variable called, constituents is kind of like the
external member population and really, it's about really
thinking through those Journeys. So, for example, I think the
example I was using the venturebeat Articles around
identity proofing, and doing the You know, the, you know, show
your passport and then do a selfie things like that, it has
to flow, it has to make sense to the user.
Has to be something that they're not going to abandon because
inappropriately placed like, all I want to do is buy a book.
And now you're asking me to show my passport, like that's the
that what you get for that, that giving up that much of your
private information is obviously not worth it in that scenario.
So I think it makes sense, I think at a high level like
again, these are themes, right? So it's how do you make
appropriate Journeys? Include I am workflows so that
you're building a better customer experience and not
worst. Customer experience by, you
know, yes, we're going to improve your security.
Yes, we have all this great technology has to be
appropriate. Has to make sense to the user,
has to be intuitive. Yeah, I think that's true for
everything, right? It's kind of make sense, just
because it's cool. Maybe it's a cool thing, but
maybe doesn't make sense for whatever you're trying to build
out there any final thoughts on the conference or we start to
wrap things up. I say we can wrap things up.
But you know, I gotta say like, you know, I wish I was able to
attend sessions due to my illness.
I wasn't able to but you know what, I could tell it being in
what was in Grapevine, Texas. Has, which is right near the
Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. The facility was really good.
Again, you get that bubble feeling like you get inside the
bubble and you almost don't want to leave the bowl and I think
that you can kind of get that in Vegas, but because Vegas has
such a draw to leave your Resort.
So, my understanding is that the next Gardener conference is not
going to happen until late next year, and it will be back in
Vegas. Yep, we'll be back at.
No, it won't be back in Vegas. It'll be back in Grapevine,
Texas. The same place.
So we were this time, same location, but it will not be for
another 18 months ish, it'll be at the end of 2024.
So plenty of time to prepare and you know, get ready for that.
Well, very cool. Alright.
So, That's a No-No later. Know what food could you eat the
most amount of sushi? I've eaten much Sushi.
Do you think you could put away in one setting a couple pounds
to the point where it's like, hums my Sushi?
Oh yeah. Definitely pounds of sushi.
Well, definitely pounds of sushi.
I mean I can be a probably two pounds of sushi without unlike a
regular weeknight after working out especially but There's a,
there's several foods that I could do, as you like,
Thanksgiving dinners, is another one where I could just sit there
and eat like three helpings of Thanksgiving dinner and being
such pain. It's not a good thing though.
Not good thing. What about you?
It's funny. You mention Thanksgiving thing I
never over, eat on Thanksgiving. I'm usually like a one plate and
done, and it's not even like that, that stacked or anything
like that. Well, I'm a simple, man, I'll
say something like chips, right? I can, I could certainly do a
bag of Doritos or you know, some chip variety snack variety.
I don't know if I get to two pounds of sushi or something
like that but you know, I'm more of a snacker type person.
You know. I think Oreos by the sleeve
should be the dietary like the should be like the you know the
serving size and its difficulty like one of those I'm more of a
muncher that kind of thing. So if you could have a robot
that would just sit there and like don't your Oreos for you
and feed them to you, would you do?
It a robot now because I think part of the joy is Duncan
yourself, right? You get a little bit of the milk
on your fingers and you kind of work through that.
Like, you know, I want, I got to do something to burn some of
those calories. I'll just keep getting rounder
and rounder. You do the dunking, right?
We'll end up like idiocracy the movie or something like that.
Yeah, I actually do like, do like Oreos.
Hmm, you got me thinking now, Jeff?
Yeah, what thinking desserts? It's only thinking like.
No metal objects, auklet. I mean things like M&M's
chocolate covered almonds like those kinds of things.
What about caramels? I don't know if I've ever had a
Carmelo. I think I picture it, but I
don't know if I think it's too chewy.
Probably maybe know they're not true at all.
Actually, but they are too messy.
The, the caramel is like, like, well, what is it looks
abandoned? What's that is like,
chocolate-covered caramels that what I'm thinking shark over
caramel and like bar form and the caramel is very loose.
So like if you bite it in the middle of the square it would
just run everywhere, okay? I think I know where talk about,
you know what, that's what it was called, but, yeah, those are
good. Yes.
And then the other employee like, Heath or Square bars.
I don't know about a he threw a score by.
I'm not a toughie type of person.
Oh yeah. You guess like, jammed up in
your teeth? Yeah, give me a Snickers bar,
I'll House Snickers bars. Like it's nobody's business.
How many Snickers bars? Do you think you could do an
unhealthy amount which is leave it that way?
So I got a funny story When I was in elementary school, it was
a parent-teacher night and I went with my dad and went to sit
with the teacher and she's like, I'd like to show you something.
Gets my dad walks back to my desk.
It was one of those old deaths were like flipped up and you can
put all your stuff and it was full of candy Rock.
But could you imagine Like a fifth grader, like such a sugar
high. Mmm.
You remember those that, like fundraiser packs of like M&M's,
were they like the boxes? We would do Eminem Shooters and
basically we'd buy a box like the little, you know, not not
the full box with all the all the different mini boxes in it.
But here's a box of atoms for fundraising and we would eat
them all at the same time. So you'd have a mouth full of an
entire package of M&M's. Yeah.
Could you imagine trying to teach Teach us after that or
match. If you got like all of a sudden
like really bad cough in here, like flew out of your mouth
gross. All right, that's a good spot.
Thanks Jim for bring us down a level again.
We're going to go ahead and leave it there.
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Maybe this thing, couple kind of figure out what that looks like,
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