1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 You don't just want to sit in a chair and listen to people talk 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,360 about stuff. You want to engage with the rest 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 of the industry, talk to people you don't get the opportunity to 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,080 talk to. You know, there will be people 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,040 there whose names you may recognize, who are involved in 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,960 standards and specifications, who you know, are deeply 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,960 involved in, you know, writing the rules for how passkey works, 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,320 for example, a web auth N right, updating a wolf, right the way 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,280 through to folks who are doing literally solving the same 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,480 problem that you're solving, but just at a different enterprise. 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,520 And so the opportunity to get together with those folks in a, 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,320 you know, less formal context and share stories, share 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,200 knowledge, share approaches, help people grow in their 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,760 careers and develop in their careers and change their career. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,080 All of that goes on and later in the verse as well. 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,320 And now I'm going to cheat and I'm going to turn the question 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,560 around because I know you guys have both been to Identverse 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,360 multiple times. So I would love to know from you 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:09,400 what Identverse is for you guys. This is identity at the centre 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,200 if it has anything to do with IAM. 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:19,760 This is the go to podcast now your hosts Jim McDonald and Jeff 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:27,520 Stedman. Welcome to the Identity at the 23 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,200 Center podcast. I'm Jeff and S Jim. 24 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,560 Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff, how are you? 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,720 I'm OK. How are you? 26 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,040 Good. I had a little bit of a stutter 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:37,320 there. Huh. 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,880 You did. But I was about to say good 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,280 morning, Jeff. But I guess that would be, even 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,600 though it is morning that we're recording, that would be very 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,680 unusual for the beginning of the show. 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,760 So I decided to stick to How are you? 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,880 I think the the morning delay is showing, right? 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,800 It's like, OK, hold on a SEC, we still got to get woken up here 35 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,440 and start the brain starts firing. 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,840 I've got to get my caffeine in still, but you know one thing I 37 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,680 do in the morning? As I scroll through LinkedIn and 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,520 this morning I came across a post by our friend Henrique 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,320 Tashara over at Savior and his post was about a new Gartner 40 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,880 paper that was that just came out and it was putting some 41 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,000 definition around this idea of non human identities. 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Talked about non human identities and machine 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,400 identities and what the difference is and so they set up 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,640 a framework where machine identities is actually a subset 45 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,080 of human identity or non human identities. 46 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,800 And also the other type of non human identities are software 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,640 identities. And that kind of maps to the 48 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,400 framework that I've always had in mind, which is when you think 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,760 about non human identities, there's workloads software and 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:55,320 there's devices or machines and I I started to kind of question 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,240 my framework and think that, you know, the Gartner framework 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,760 probably makes a little more sense. 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,920 So devices that it's not that the word devices using the 54 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,160 English language is a bad word for machines. 55 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,960 I mean, they're kind of like synonyms, but I think in our 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:19,560 minds, devices are your phone, your tablet, maybe a kiosk or 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,800 something like that. So it is more narrowed down and 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,920 it would exclude IoT like a thermostat or something built 59 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:33,640 into a manufacturing device. Also workloads you might not 60 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:37,840 think of like service accounts in your Active Directory as a 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,240 workload. You might, even though I think 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,280 technically it is. So I think it's nomenclature. 63 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,920 This kind of maps to what I was thinking, but here's the thing 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,600 that it took that was I thought funny was that Gartner's 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,000 definition of non human identities also includes 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,640 organizational entities and animals. 67 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,880 And it's like an animals. That's pretty interesting. 68 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,640 Like what is an animal identity? And then I started thinking, OK, 69 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,400 well, potentially animals could have chips inserted into them 70 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,960 and things like that. So maybe that's where they're 71 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,680 going with it. What? 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,760 What are your thoughts? I don't know. 73 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,480 I don't know where where this was going. 74 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,480 So I was trying to figure it out. 75 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,680 I was thinking when you said animals, for whatever reason, my 76 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,520 mind jumped like neural link and the monkeys are, you know, I 77 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,040 guess a chick and an animal makes sense. 78 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,560 I guess it's not human. So we have to have some way to 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,720 classify non human organic beings. 80 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,840 Now I'm starting to think like we're talking like the Borg or 81 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,560 something like that. I mean, I, you know, human and 82 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,400 non human makes sense. I think it used to be carbon and 83 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,120 non carbon based. So this is the great thing about 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,080 identity is there's always a new framework, a new, you know, way 85 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,440 to look at things, a different definition for the same words 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,400 that we use in other parts of the language. 87 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,680 The key part will be making sure that everyone understands the 88 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,680 context that we're talking about. 89 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,760 But yeah, the animal one threw me for a loop there for a second 90 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,200 and I was like, OK, I guess, you know, that is something we have 91 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,880 to consider. Yeah, that was the later part of 92 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,400 my morning. Yeah, Can you imagine? 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,920 You know, I need to send an e-mail to my my dog. 94 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,280 And they have their own, they have their own ship and their 95 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,400 own identity and their own account. 96 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,240 I don't know how that would work. 97 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,480 I mean, if it makes sense. I've got GPS trackers with the, 98 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,720 you know, trackers and accounts, you know, for my, for my, my 99 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:31,680 furry friends. But. 100 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,400 Well, yeah, I was thinking for your dogs, Jeff, you probably 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,720 might be offended by that definition to call them non 102 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,920 humans. Oh, they're non humans. 103 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:45,040 I mean, look, my dogs are my kids, but I'm, I'm not that that 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,520 so far. You haven't gone that far yet, 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:48,240 right? Yet. 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,760 Right. I don't dress them up, you know. 107 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,600 So there is still a a distinction there that we draw 108 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,560 and they ride in the back in a hammock. 109 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,160 Though there you go. Yes. 110 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,880 OK I was going to say the leash thing but some people have 111 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,480 leashes too so go down that route. 112 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,200 Yeah. OK. 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,600 Well, I think we've kind of like gone off track a little bit. 114 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,760 Maybe we should get into or it's just a bit outside, maybe we 115 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,120 should just go over our conferences. 116 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,840 Yes, we've got London coming up. So this is going to be coming 117 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,720 out the week of March, but coming up March 24th, the 25th 118 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,920 is the London Gartner IAM Summit. 119 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:28,840 If you use the code ID AC425, you say 425 euros, I believe 120 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,360 some currency 425 amount of some people want to check that out. 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,720 And before I get too far along, you know, all these will be our 122 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,960 in our show notes below, but they'll also be on our website 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,600 idacpodcast.com if you just Scroll down and anything that 124 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,680 we've got active for, you know, discounts will be there too. 125 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,800 So you and I will not be there. But the one that we will be at 126 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,640 and that we're both looking forward to is in Berlin this May 127 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,920 6th or 9th and that is the European identity and cloud 128 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,120 conference. We're going to be there. 129 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,000 We've got a discount code. So thanks out to the conference 130 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,400 folks there. ID, AC25, NKO get you 25% off, 131 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,400 which is pretty cool. We're going to be doing some 132 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,040 podcasting and then you're taking vacation before that and 133 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,400 ending Europe in Berlin. I'm starting Europe in Berlin 134 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,840 and then taking about a week off after that to tour somewhere and 135 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,600 then go from there, so looking forward to that. 136 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Yeah, it's going to be fun stuff. 137 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,080 So I'm going to Oslo the week before we're going to do 138 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,840 identity beer. It's probably going to be the 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:30,480 Wednesday before Berlin. So if it's if it's possible, if 140 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:34,000 that's going to work for you and the the Wednesday part is not 141 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,760 guaranteed, it could wind up being Tuesday, for example. 142 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,440 Please reach out to or just start with by reaching out to me 143 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,760 and I'll loop you in with the rest of the group. 144 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,240 But expecting a pretty good turn out. 145 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,560 Yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't have any plans at this 146 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,840 part. My life. 147 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,680 I still have not. I have a flight to Berlin but I 148 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,880 as of right now have no exit planned to the US, so I'm still. 149 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,600 Are you sure you're coming home? I may not. 150 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,720 Who knows, I might have decided just to stay. 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,560 I always, I liked London, I like Paris. 152 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,760 So, you know, international man of mystery. 153 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,680 We'll just leave it at that. Yeah, but I do have to actually 154 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,440 come back for Dan Denver's conference because that's coming 155 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,600 up right after that. That's June 3rd to the 6th. 156 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,360 Denver's 2025, and we have a conference for that one as well. 157 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:28,280 IDV 25-I D AC2525 percent off. Hopefully people are able to 158 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,080 take advantage of early bird discounts. 159 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,799 I think by the time people listen to this, at least one set 160 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:34,640 of early birds will be gone. I'm not sure what it'll look 161 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,559 like on Monday when this people people are starting to listen to 162 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,200 this, but that code still is in effect. 163 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,760 So people can take advantage of that. 164 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,640 And obviously if you've read the title for this episode, you know 165 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,480 that we're going to be talking to Andy Handle here in a minute. 166 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,240 But let me get the, let me get that out again. 167 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,480 IDV 25-IDC25. That gets you 25% off. 168 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,920 And then let's talk about authenticate real quick because 169 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,000 I know Jim, that's going to be coming up. 170 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,960 And right now the plan is you and I are going to be there as 171 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:01,400 well for that. Yeah. 172 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,400 You really need to be thinking about it early in terms of if 173 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,640 you want to be a speaker, get your your paper submitted. 174 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,360 I know that that's already closed for Identiverse for 175 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,800 example. So folks, you really need to be 176 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,720 thinking ahead and getting those applications in early. 177 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,280 But I think the proposals are due no later than March 3rd. 178 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,160 So this would probably be the last time we announced this, but 179 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:32,240 go out to authenticatecon.com and you'll easily find a link to 180 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,800 submit a proposal for speaking at the Authenticate conference. 181 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Yep. So let's go ahead and get into 182 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,000 our Identiverse 2025 preview. The last time this gentleman was 183 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,920 on the the show was last year's preview. 184 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,440 We were drunk and record like man, we got to get you on and 185 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,520 talk about other identity things. 186 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,040 Something just identity verse. So I want to welcome back for 187 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,800 the 5th time, Andy Handel. He's the conference chair for 188 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,280 identity verse. Welcome back, Andy. 189 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,280 It's yet again a delight to be here. 190 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,120 Thank you for having me on. Well, the pleasure is all on 191 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,880 this side of the table. But before we get too far, let's 192 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 talk about Identiverse. Let's hear straight from, you 193 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,720 know, the source. What? 194 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,640 Is identiverse. See, that's that's just a big 195 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,200 question to start with, right. You want to start with something 196 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,240 small and we could talk about non human identity some more for 197 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,480 a bit that kind of warm up to what is identity. 198 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,240 So look identiverse. I've been involved for what 10 199 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,000 This will be my 11th 1. The event itself has been 200 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,320 running for 16 years this year. These days, I think it's fair to 201 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,320 say that we are the primary digital identity, identity and 202 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,040 access management conference and event in in the calendar. 203 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:51,040 I think, you know, our audience tends to be the core digital 204 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,200 identity professional, right? So folks who are doing this work 205 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,960 day in, day out, figuring out how to keep our identity safe, 206 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,200 how to keep our company safe, how to keep our organization 207 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,760 safe, how to enable people, right? 208 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,680 How to make, you know, customers, consumers, citizens 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:12,520 able to, to access their stuff in a Safeway and how to keep 210 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,280 people appropriately private in, in that process, right. 211 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,480 So, you know, at, at the most basic level, that's what 212 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Identiverse is. What that means is that we have 213 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,720 4 days of full on conference content. 214 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,920 We'll talk a little bit about that I'm sure in a minute. 215 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,120 Alongside of that, we've got a pretty large show floor where we 216 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,280 have lots of sponsors doing lots of things, talking about all the 217 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,720 different ways that they can solve problems for folks, lots 218 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,400 of entertainment around the edge, right? 219 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,040 So we've, we've tried for years and we continue to do this to 220 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,440 make, you know, you're going to be at a conference for a week, 221 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:53,760 right? You don't just want to sit in a 222 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,640 chair and listen to people talk about stuff. 223 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,320 You want to engage with the rest of the industry talk to people 224 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,120 you don't get the opportunity to talk to. 225 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,560 You know there will be people there whose names you may 226 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:09,560 recognize who are involved in standards and specifications, 227 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:15,400 who you know are deeply involved in, you know, writing the rules 228 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,240 for how pass key works. For example, a web auth N right 229 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,640 updating a wolf right the way through to folks who are doing 230 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,080 literally solving the same problem that you're solving but 231 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,360 just at a different enterprise. And so the opportunity to get 232 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,720 together with those folks in a, you know, less formal context 233 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,400 and share stories, share knowledge, share approaches, 234 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,040 help people grow in their careers and develop in their 235 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,120 careers and change their career, all of that goes on in Idani 236 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,040 verse as well. And now I'm going to cheat and 237 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,160 I'm going to turn the question around because I know you guys 238 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,200 have both been to Idani verse multiple times. 239 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,160 So I would love to know from you what Idani verse is for you 240 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,360 guys. You know, for me it hit right 241 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,320 when you said the doers is kind of what I have always thought of 242 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,320 it of is, you know, real identity, people doing real 243 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,240 identity things. Some of it is obviously is 244 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,000 conceptual and some of the ideas that are planted there, but it's 245 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,320 just a lot of people, really smart people, fun people. 246 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,080 It's a great community and you get to see and hear from those 247 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,240 folks. I think Identity Versus has done 248 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,320 a really good job over the last several years of really 249 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,560 incorporating new and existing voices in the space. 250 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,400 You know, obviously, you know, the existing voice has been 251 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,800 around for a while, but we need to continue to promote new 252 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,840 voices, new ideas, you know, new things like that that that come 253 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,880 out and and encourage people to continue to give back to the 254 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,680 community. So I'm excited about that. 255 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:40,800 But yeah, you hit it right in the head. 256 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,920 I was like, these are the doers that are showing up for for this 257 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,760 type of stuff. And you can kind of, you know, 258 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,960 commiserate to some degree. You can articulate and you know, 259 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,960 ideate, you know what the most people hold and and you can also 260 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,360 eat folks you know in in Vegas. So that's kind of what it means 261 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,600 to me. Jim, what do you think? 262 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,720 What it when you think about Denver's? 263 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,120 Well, I think that Denver's probably the largest conference 264 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,400 in the space now, but there are a couple that are, you know, 265 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,400 similarly sized, but I think at least for vendor agnostic 266 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,520 conferences is probably the largest. 267 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,160 I think it pulls together a fantastic group of 268 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,720 practitioners, people that I mean, I make new contacts every 269 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,880 year. So I think a big part of it for 270 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,480 me is about the networking opportunities, sitting with 271 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,200 people at, you know, at various events like lunches and 272 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:39,000 breakfasts and things like that. Also just attending the, the 273 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,280 sessions and hearing people talk and understanding. 274 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:48,080 I, you know, what one thing that Andy mentioned that to me I 275 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,920 completely connected with was hearing, you know, you're at 276 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,200 Enterprise and you're hearing what another enterprise did 277 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,160 already and how, what their success story was because 278 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,880 they're not going to usually come and present about a 279 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,520 failure. You know, there are sessions 280 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,560 almost every year where they talk about like, hey, these are 281 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,520 things that we've done in the past that have failed and here's 282 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,200 things to avoid and pitfalls to avoid. 283 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,840 All that is how you grow your own personal body of knowledge. 284 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,760 You know, there's things that there's only so much that you 285 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,680 can do. The rest you have to learn from 286 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,520 other people. And it's a great place through 287 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,800 either personal interactions or sitting in on these sessions 288 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,720 where you learn from other people and they learn from you. 289 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,600 And then you make these connections that last beyond the 290 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,520 conference and you know, they turn into friendships over the 291 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,800 years. Yeah, good question, Andy. 292 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Kind of like, OK, you know, and I think there's a little bit of 293 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,120 something for everybody too. I don't think that this is for 294 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,400 not necessarily just for like experienced people. 295 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,120 I love seeing new folks to the space come to the. 296 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,920 Yeah. And I'm actually glad you 297 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,480 mentioned that. And you mentioned that the, you 298 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,760 know, hearing from new voices as well, right. 299 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,320 And both of those aspects are, are things that have been really 300 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,720 important to us over the years in which we continue to really 301 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,200 focus on. So one of the things we started 302 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,520 a couple of years ago in conjunction with ID Pro is that 303 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,080 we started a newcomer session which runs right before the sort 304 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,880 of main conference agenda starts. 305 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,120 The first year that we did it, actually the first year we 306 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,080 experimented with it, it really was an experiment and it was 307 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,800 very last minute, very thrown together and it told us enough 308 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,960 that we had to do it properly the following year. 309 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,840 So the following year we did, we gave it some actual space and we 310 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,320 put it on the agenda and we, you know, we let people know it was 311 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,720 happening. Got some really good feedback 312 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,120 out of that. In fact, we had so many people 313 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,880 attend that that they didn't fit in the room that we allocated 314 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,840 because we were just guessing. We're like, oh, I don't know, 315 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,440 maybe like 50 people will show up and we have like 250 in this 316 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,120 room. So last year we had a much 317 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,600 larger space, you know, with, with dedicated time. 318 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,520 And again, I mean, it was absolutely full to bursting. 319 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,520 So I usually try and show up at this thing and just kind of say 320 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,920 hi and welcome so that, you know, folks who haven't been to 321 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,560 the conference before. Mostly what you see of me that 322 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,839 week is I'm up on the mainstage kind of orchestrating things or 323 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,440 I'm rushing around, you know, trying to fix stuff behind the 324 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,400 scenes or I'm asleep. But, you know, it's nice, 325 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,880 particularly for the new folks for me to actually be in, in a 326 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,560 smaller space and to say hi and welcome and, and do those 327 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,800 things. So, so last year I was a little 328 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,640 bit late and I, I kind of got there and everyone was already 329 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,000 in this room and I was trying to get, you know, up to the front. 330 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,680 So I kind of, you know, worm my way through and I get to the 331 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,920 front and I say four or five things and I'm like, and I'm 332 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,840 really sorry I've got to go. So I've got a keynote rehearsal 333 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,880 and, and off I go. And behind me, I can hear 334 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Heather Flanagan, who was running this session together 335 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,320 with Alan Foster. Same. 336 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,520 For those of you who don't know, that was Andy, who's the 337 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,840 conference? I totally forgot to introduce 338 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,800 myself. So yeah, you know, we try really 339 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,200 hard to make it a welcoming environment for folks who either 340 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,240 haven't been to the conference before or haven't been to a 341 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,840 conference like this one before or who are new in, you know, 342 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,280 relatively new to the industry and and kind of don't know where 343 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,120 to start. Right. 344 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,040 But the other thing that's really important you mention 345 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,320 this is, is the new voices. So for those who don't know who, 346 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,560 who haven't, you know, attended Identiverse before the 347 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,240 Identiverse agenda, almost all of the, the conference agenda 348 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,800 gets built out of a call for presentations, which, you know, 349 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,280 to Jim's point earlier is closed. 350 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,160 We've made those decisions. Thank you very much. 351 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,120 Please play again next year. But we have a, a content 352 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:47,120 committee that I have the honour of chairing and we spend, you 353 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:51,320 know, basically six weeks from the beginning of January going 354 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,600 through an enormous number of proposals and trying to figure 355 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,880 out as best we can how to construct not just a high 356 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,320 quality agenda, but also an agenda that touches on as many 357 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,320 of the important topics as we can in any given year. 358 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,200 Now, topics go in and out of favor, right? 359 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,160 They are more or less important. There's more or less to say from 360 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,880 one year to the next, but we try and construct something that's 361 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,720 that's reasonably comprehensive. And so, yeah, that means 362 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,400 including material that's suitable for folks who've been, 363 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,640 you know, doing these kinds of jobs for 15 years. 364 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,720 It also means including material that's suitable for folks who, 365 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,920 you know, just started last year out of university, right? 366 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,240 But we also want to hear from people who haven't spoken 367 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,240 before. And so one of the metrics that I 368 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,440 look at is, you know, do we have a reasonable proportion of yes, 369 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,000 well known, well recognized voices in the industry, folks, 370 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,920 most of whom I know have been, you know, on on the show here, 371 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,760 right? So folks like Ian Glaser and 372 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,360 Nishant Kaushik and Heather Flanagan, who I mentioned 373 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:00,560 earlier and Eve Mailer and so on and so forth. 374 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,840 But we also want to have and we aim for about 50%. 375 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,000 We're usually pretty close. We want to have around about 376 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,640 half of our our agenda be voices that we haven't heard from 377 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,320 before, whether those are people who. 378 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,040 Are. Seasoned presenters who just 379 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,920 happened to have not spoken on identifiers before or whether 380 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,560 they really are, you know, brand new and we get a mix of that. 381 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,480 I think that's really, really important to make sure that that 382 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,360 we continue to offer those sorts of opportunities and that 383 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:34,040 people, people can hear, you know, fresh perspective every 384 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,360 time, every year they come along. 385 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,640 Yeah, I love, I love hearing new ideas and, you know, keep it up, 386 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,120 I guess, right? Let's try to keep it fresh. 387 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,880 I think it's the one thing that helps prevent it from getting 388 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,520 stale. We talked about what it is and 389 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320 when it is. Is June 3rd to the 6th? 390 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:52,880 Jim, do you have something you want to bring up here? 391 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,400 Yeah, I just wanted to just tag off of, so you talked about 392 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,440 people like Heather Flanagan and Alan Foster, and we've had both 393 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,080 of them actually on the podcast. And Alan came on to talk about 394 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,800 the the Mount Rush, War of Identity. 395 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,400 And he named a lot of people that folks who are listeners 396 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,800 probably didn't even know. There's people he mentioned a 397 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,840 few people that I had never heard of. 398 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:21,240 So you know, Alan's been in the industry since the 90s, but you 399 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,240 go and meet him and it's like you could be brand new, never 400 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,800 gone to Identiverse before and he's going to treat you as an 401 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,640 equal. And, and I think that's the 402 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,800 community and identity Pro like kind of embodies that community 403 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,280 and Identiverse is the place that we get to meet up in 404 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,520 person. So, yeah, I, you know, you talk 405 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,960 about Alan, I think he's the quintessential example of this. 406 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,000 But I think that everyone in the industry behaves the same way, 407 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,160 right? And, and you see that day-to-day 408 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,160 in the industry, but I think you see a particular idea of this. 409 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,040 I think we talked about this last year that you know, it, 410 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,560 it's easy to go to these things if you're new and to feel like 411 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,720 you can't go up to people and talk to them. 412 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,400 And I would really encourage people to to go up. 413 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,440 The worst thing anyone's going to say to you is, look, I'm 414 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,960 really sorry I don't have time right now. 415 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,680 Let me try and catch you later, right? 416 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,200 That's the worst that's going to happen. 417 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,480 Much more likely is you get in a conversation with somebody and 418 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,680 that leads to one of those connections, Jim, that you were 419 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,720 talking about that can, you know, change a career, right? 420 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Yeah, I mean, I think Doug, this is an open invite. 421 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,920 If you see me walking around the halls, I, you know, please come 422 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,440 up, say hello. I love to meet new people. 423 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,400 And I think you'll find that that is a attitude shared by 424 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,040 99.9% of the people who are at these things. 425 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,480 Yeah, we might be busy and know something, but, you know, I try 426 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,400 to make the point of like, hey, can we talk in half an hour? 427 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Or hey, can we meet over here later? 428 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,840 But please come up, say hello. You know, we, we love to meet 429 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,360 new people, especially Jim and I. 430 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,240 So, you know, and you'll be able to spot Jim. 431 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,240 I'm sure he's usually wearing some some funky jacket if we're 432 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,040 in Texas, maybe even a cowboy hat, you know, definitely, you 433 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,120 know, come up and say hello and and and meet new people. 434 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,040 Look, I get it, you know, and everybody's, you know, as 435 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,200 socially, you know, adept, maybe feel a little bit awkward. 436 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,240 I used to be the same way. Now it's just like, Hey, I'm 437 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,320 Jeff, blah, blah, blah. Great to meet you. 438 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,480 Cool, that's it, right, You know, or maybe we can get a 439 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,760 conversation about something. So please come up and say hello. 440 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaking of coming up and say hello, Andy, this is in Las 441 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,600 Vegas, which I love. I love Las Vegas. 442 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,560 I know that I feel like I'm I'm slowly getting into the minority 443 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,360 of people who like Las Vegas. But if someone who doesn't 444 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,560 really gamble, doesn't really drink, but loves kind of the the 445 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,120 show and the environments and the excitement and then the the 446 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,640 plethora of activities and food options. 447 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,280 Tell me a bit about where this is going to be because it's not 448 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,680 at the Aria like it was last year. 449 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,760 We've changed locations. It's not at the Aria, you are 450 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,400 right. It is at the Mandalay Bay. 451 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,160 Now I need to preface this with a couple of things. 452 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,160 The first is that my only interactions with Vegas have 453 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,080 been in the context of identivers. 454 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,760 And so I don't get to see very much, right. 455 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,080 I see the inside of the venue and that's it. 456 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,480 And the other thing is that I've never actually been to the 457 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,440 Mandalay Bay, right. So I, I wasn't able to go, we 458 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,880 normally do a site visit and, and the rest of the team were 459 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,680 able to do that. I just couldn't make the dates. 460 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,440 And so I'm kind of working off a floor plan and figuring out 461 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,440 where things are going to be. But I literally can't tell you 462 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,760 the first thing about, you know, what the Mandalay Bay experience 463 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,760 is going to be like. I do know that lots of people 464 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,960 have been there and probably have some good perspective. 465 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,760 I think, you know, on a very practical level, my 466 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,480 understanding is that we have a lot more space available to us 467 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,120 at the Mandalay, right? It's, it's going to be a much 468 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:47,640 more spacious environment for us to be in. 469 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,480 We can do more on the show floor. 470 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,880 We can do more in the breakouts we've got. 471 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,560 It's it's just bigger and, and better in that sense. 472 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,240 Beyond that, I, I. That's as much as I know. 473 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,120 Well, let me fill in the gap because I've been there I guess 474 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,080 several times at this point. It's a great spot. 475 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,160 It is down at the very South end of the strip. 476 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,880 It's kind of near Luxor. It's probably the next closest 477 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,800 hotel. So if you stay, you can either 478 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,640 stay at M and delay and walk over to Conference Center and 479 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,040 there's plenty of food options, plenty of things to do and the 480 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,880 tram that runs. So it's a good spot. 481 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,040 It's a good location. You know, they're well set up 482 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,400 for it. So I think hopefully, you know, 483 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,360 I think you'll be kind of pleased with the with the 484 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,400 wakeworms out. I like it. 485 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,920 I think it's good. That's Vegas. 486 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,520 You can kind of get anywhere pretty quickly either, you know, 487 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,840 on public transport or Ubers and Lyfts and cabs and stuff like 488 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,480 that. So it's a good spot. 489 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,320 Definitely, definitely approve. The one thing that I will give 490 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,040 as a pro tip is always try to stay at the conference hotel 491 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,880 because you do not want to be walking. 492 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,880 You know, Luxor is the next closest, but it's a, you know, 493 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,360 it's a good 15 to 20 minute walk to go from Luxor all the way to 494 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,400 the opposite end of Mandalay, which is where the Conference 495 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,320 Center is. So you definitely want to be as 496 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,320 close as possible and and stay in Mandalay if you can. 497 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,840 Yeah. And I, I, I think that's a good 498 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,360 tip generally, to be honest, right, For anything that's, 499 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:12,280 that's, you know, larger than, I don't know, say 50 to 100 500 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,840 people, right? Really being in the same place 501 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,120 as where everybody else is or the majority of people, I think 502 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,440 is really helpful. It's more convenient for you, 503 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,920 right? If you get tired, you can just 504 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,040 go and, and bail. This is always an issue for me 505 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,760 with jet lag, right? But it also means that, that, 506 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,480 that those serendipitous encounters, right? 507 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,600 The chance meeting at a bar or, you know, out for a run in the 508 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,000 morning or in the gym or whatever it might be is much 509 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,040 more likely to happen because everyone's in that same space. 510 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,680 So I would, I would take advantage of that. 511 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,680 I think you're right. Yeah, I think that's always a 512 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,640 good pro tip. So Andy, I wanted to kind of 513 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,880 transition into the content that people are going to come away 514 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:01,240 from the conference with. So the the focus that I think I 515 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320 wanted to take on this was you guys have established a few 516 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,360 topic areas. So let me first ask the general 517 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,440 question. So is the topic mean? 518 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,560 Is it equal to like a track? Like you get on a topic you're 519 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:19,400 interested in non human identity, so you attend all the 520 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,800 sessions in that topic or in that quote UN quote track. 521 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,760 Is that how it works or is it something different? 522 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,440 It's a little different and I'm really glad you asked the 523 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,920 question. This is the biggest thing that I 524 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,240 have struggled with year over year over year. 525 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040 And we've tweaked it and changed it and it still isn't perfect, 526 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760 but it works OK once you know how to deal with it. 527 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,640 So we do not have tracks in the traditional sense. 528 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,560 And by track, I think what most people understand is, is pretty 529 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,200 much what you describe, Jim, right? 530 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,280 Which is, OK, I'm interested in this thing. 531 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,560 I'm going to go and sit in this room and hear about this thing 532 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,280 for the next however long it is, right? 533 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,560 We realized a long time ago, right? 534 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,720 I mean this, this goes back to when I, when I first sort of 535 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:16,880 started doing this, that identity is very horizontal and 536 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,960 broadly applicable. And so it's actually really hard 537 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,960 to build a track in that sense. People don't stick in those 538 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,640 rooms, they move. And so, yeah, we have these 539 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,880 topic areas and I'll, I'll talk through them in a second that 540 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,080 act as one organizing principle. And that's helpful. 541 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440 It's really helpful for us for the, for the call for 542 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,480 presentations and for building out the agenda. 543 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,320 But what we tend to find is that people then will will migrate 544 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,480 across different paths through the through the content. 545 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,880 Sometimes that's to do with the vertical sector. 546 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,320 So if you happen to work in banking, it may very well be 547 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,320 that you go and you identify all of the things that are directly 548 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,640 relevant to banking, whether that's because it's being, you 549 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,560 know, specifically about a bank. So this year we've got several 550 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,480 things about open banking because there are some changes 551 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,440 coming in in the US that are going to have some impact there. 552 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,040 So you might say, OK, well, there's a thing about open 553 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,600 banking in the architecture and standards topic. 554 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,040 I want to understand how open banking works. 555 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,400 I'm going to go and listen to that. 556 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Then there's a thing about, I'm making some of these upright. 557 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360 There's a thing about open banking security and the 558 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240 security topic here. I'm going to go and listen to 559 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,680 that somewhere else. And then there are these three 560 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,440 presentations by somebody from M&T, someone from Capital One 561 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,720 and someone from First Insurance that are all in deployment that 562 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,360 are interesting to me because I also work in the bank, right? 563 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,800 And so there I've gone through, you know, two different, 564 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,720 actually three different topic areas and I've selected things 565 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,880 based on the material in a couple of cases and the 566 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,480 presenter in a couple of other cases. 567 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,240 And that's typically the behaviour that we see. 568 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,720 So back to the start of the question, right? 569 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,920 We have and, and these have been consistent now for, I want to 570 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200 say 3 or 4 years, if if not a few more. 571 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,520 We've got 8 primary topic areas that we look at and those are in 572 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,680 alphabetical order because that's the order I've got them 573 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,280 written down. And I have got them written down 574 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,000 because otherwise I'm bound to forget one. 575 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,600 And then those people will be very upset that I, it's like 576 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,840 Oscars, right? It's like, I want to say thank 577 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,880 you to my mom and my dad and Oh no, I forgot my cat. 578 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,400 So we have architecture standards and standards and 579 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,680 engineering. We have a thing that we made-up 580 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,920 which is C3 IAM. So that is customer, consumer 581 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,080 and citizen and we wrap them all together. 582 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,560 But if you put all the words, really it ends up really long. 583 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,240 So we just made it C3 IAM. We have deployments, leading 584 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,120 practices, identity for security, identity and business. 585 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,920 And that one's really about the business impact of identity, 586 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,840 right. So not how do I make money out 587 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,400 of an identity, but what impact does my identity program have, 588 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,080 you know, on my business or how can I explain to my business the 589 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,080 impact that my identity program's going to have? 590 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,920 I just say I love that topic, Andy, I know you and I've talked 591 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,600 about this offline for the last couple years, but the business 592 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,280 of I am is such an overlooked part of the identity space. 593 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,560 I love to see content on it. So thank you, thank you, thank 594 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,680 you. And thank you and we will. 595 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,320 We will keep pushing on that one. 596 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,760 It's so important because getting executives to understand 597 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,360 why our stuff is important is hard. 598 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,160 And some organizations have been really successful at it. 599 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,360 And so hearing from them and then being able to take those 600 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,280 arguments back to your enterprise and say, I, you know, 601 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,800 this is what they're saying over at Chase. 602 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,360 We might want to pay attention to that, right? 603 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760 Or, or wherever it is. Again, I'm, I'm picking company 604 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,040 names out of thin air, but privacy and ethics, that one's 605 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,720 close to my heart. It's one of those adjacent areas 606 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,480 for us, but it's increasingly important and I think, you know, 607 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,640 paying attention to it is, is very worthwhile professional 608 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,000 skills and development. So that one's really about those 609 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,080 soft skills. How do I develop my career? 610 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,760 How do I present better? How do I present my ideas 611 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,240 better? How do I make a business case 612 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,320 better? Those sorts of things. 613 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,400 And then vision, strategy and futures, which is exactly what 614 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,680 it says on the tip, right? It's what's coming down the 615 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040 pipe. So, so those are kind of the, 616 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080 the core topic areas that we look at. 617 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,960 But like I say, people are going to drift across those. 618 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,120 And it's not like when you register, you have to say, oh, 619 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,440 and please register me for this track, right? 620 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,080 The whole thing is, is open with a full conference pass. 621 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520 You look at the agenda, spend a little time with it before you 622 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,840 go and figure out which things are going to be most relevant to 623 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,000 you. To help with that, over the last 624 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,080 few years we've done a couple of other things. 625 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,280 One is that we'll typically post some, you know, blogs or other 626 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,240 articles in the run up to the conference, which will look at 627 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,960 the agenda through different lenses. 628 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920 And we've we've played around with this different ways. 629 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,720 I don't know exactly how we're going to do it this year, but 630 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,280 we'll do something that will just surface some material and, 631 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,520 and reorganize it in a slightly different way. 632 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,200 So we've looked at it sectorally in previous years. 633 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,960 You know, here are the things about banking, here are the 634 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,800 things about manufacturing, here are the things about higher Ed. 635 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,600 We've done it with sort of subsidiary topics, right? 636 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,160 So we'll pick on passkey just for the sake of argument, right? 637 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,040 Is there going to be some passkey material in the agenda 638 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,440 this year? I think there is, but it's going 639 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,400 to be spread out across different areas, right? 640 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,560 There'll be some stuff about standards, right? 641 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,720 What's coming, What's new? There's going to be some stuff 642 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,480 about deployment, right? Here's how I rolled it out. 643 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,800 There's going to be some stuff about security. 644 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000 Here are some, you know, Dean Sacks will probably come and 645 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,480 talk about, you know, some of the concerns that he has and how 646 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,840 to address those, right? How to make sure your deployment 647 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,560 is safe. That's, you know, why these 648 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,679 things turn up in different areas. 649 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,040 And so we might very well do you know, a blog post that says, OK, 650 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,199 if you're interested in in passkey and and password less 651 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,639 hate that word, you know, here are the things that you might 652 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,239 want to come and and and look at. 653 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,520 So, so Andy, in in my mind, like as you're describing this, I'm 654 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,520 almost thinking that these are like tags on the presentation. 655 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,800 A presentation should be tagged with financial services 656 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,280 presentations are are making the business case and pass keys. 657 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,239 And if you're interested in one of those 3 verticals or topics 658 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:51,080 or tags, that might be for you. In fact, if none of those are on 659 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,480 you, you're still welcome to come in and sit in on that. 660 00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,720 Now I have a question for you. Are there sessions that you need 661 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:05,920 to pre register for that? In other words, kind of limited 662 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,600 space? So that's a really good 663 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,600 question. I'm just going to pick up on the 664 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,320 tags thing first up, because you're absolutely right. 665 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,720 That's a really good way to think of it. 666 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,200 We're somewhat constrained by the technology that gets used 667 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,280 and and is available to us for things like the website and the 668 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520 mobile app in terms of how we can represent that out to the 669 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,000 audience. So we've had years where we've 670 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,040 had solutions that let us put those sort of, you know, tags in 671 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,800 other years where we haven't. So we actually have that 672 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040 information in the back end. It's just whether we can easily 673 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,360 make it available out in the front end. 674 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,040 But, but it's, it's something that we, we've certainly tried 675 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,120 to do and I know we'll try and do again if we can, but it's a 676 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,040 good way to think of it. So if you're building your own 677 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,440 agenda, that's, you know, that that's quite a useful thing to 678 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,680 do. It's just look at it, you know, 679 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840 mark up the ones you're interested in with those kinds 680 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,800 of tags and then just, you know, build it out that way. 681 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,920 The other thing which just occurs to me as we're talking, 682 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,640 which I'd be fascinated to see if somebody wants to experiment 683 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,800 with this, wouldn't it be interesting to grab the whole 684 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,080 agenda in a CSV, throw it at something like ChatGPT or Claude 685 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,720 right, and say, hey, I'm interested in these things. 686 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,280 Which session should I go to? I feel like somebody should do 687 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,040 an experiment and let me know if that works or not. 688 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,440 I'll be honest Andy, that's the first thing I thought of when we 689 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,920 start thinking about tags like this. 690 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,720 Sounds like a a total nerd project that I would totally be 691 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,240 like, all right, let's throw this in here and let's like come 692 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,920 up with a customized agenda personalized based on, you know, 693 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,960 your topics of interest or whatever it be. 694 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,680 But yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. 695 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,080 Like there's got to be an AI angle here, right? 696 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,080 We can't get away from AI right at this point. 697 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,080 So Jeff, you and I are going to do this as a side project. 698 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,640 I will get the data for you in a useful format. 699 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,040 I'd love for you to run that and see what the outcome is. 700 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,200 And then let's come back around, you know, and, and let people 701 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,400 know if it worked or if it didn't. 702 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,960 I'd love to find out. Send it to me and I can mention 703 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,240 on a future show as we get around to it, some of that so we 704 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,360 can refer back to the, hey, here's where this started the 705 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,120 idea. And who knows, maybe it's a good 706 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,360 answer, maybe it's a silly answer. 707 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,200 Who knows? Let's find out, right. 708 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,240 So Jim's question which was are the things you have to pre 709 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,760 register for. So for the longest time we have 710 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,880 not done that and by and large that is still true. 711 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:31,840 If you go back very early on, So way, way back I want to say like 712 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,960 12-13, fourteen years ago, the very beginning we did used to 713 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,880 have some, some they were actually called pre conference 714 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,040 workshops at the time and we did require separate registration 715 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,360 for those. We did away with them for a 716 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,680 couple of reasons. One is frankly, we needed the 717 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600 time for the rest of the agenda and the other is that it does 718 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,640 get complicated just just organizationally to manage all 719 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,320 of that and checking in and checking out. 720 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,880 And for that, for, you know, anyone listening and, and for 721 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,880 you guys who've been to Idaniverse, you'll know that our 722 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,840 sessions tend to be pretty short. 723 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,080 And so, and the gaps in between are not long. 724 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,400 So, you know, you suddenly start having to scan sort of, you 725 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,480 know, 300 people into a room and then 300 people out of a room. 726 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,000 It, it doesn't really flow terribly well. 727 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,600 So most of the agenda, and this is true again this year, most of 728 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,280 the agenda, pretty much all of the agenda actually is available 729 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,760 to you if you have a full conference pass, right? 730 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,440 The one exception to that this year is something new that we're 731 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,960 adding. So this year the conference 732 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,040 formally starts on Tuesday, which is the 3rd of June. 733 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:43,800 And we'll start with, you know, main agenda content around about 734 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,200 lunchtime in the morning on Tuesday. 735 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,440 We've got 5 discrete 2 to 3 hour workshops on specific topics. 736 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,000 First time we've done these, like I say in a long, long time. 737 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,600 Those do require separate registration. 738 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,360 Some of that is, is to help us manage numbers and some of it 739 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640 because it's additional, you know, in depth content. 740 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,960 It's funny, we're coming at this kind of in reverse, right? 741 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,120 We're going to talk about these workshops and then I'm going to 742 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,520 talk about how those topics fit into this overall sort of theme 743 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,840 that we've got for the show this year. 744 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:26,520 So those five workshops are four specific topics that we've 745 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,880 identified as being really key in, in the industry, probably 746 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,240 not just for this year, but but for several years, I expect. 747 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,520 And then the Sam's Institute is going to come and do a, a 748 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,960 workshop and those details will be coming on the website, the 749 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,280 idanoverse website in due course. 750 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,280 The four topic areas that we've got workshops on are artificial 751 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,800 intelligence. I bet everyone's shocked, right? 752 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,560 You're sitting there going, wow, how did you think of that? 753 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,480 Pikachu faith. Right. 754 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,640 Yeah. So we're going to talk about AI. 755 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,920 But what much of that is going to do is actually explain 756 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,800 there's going to be quite a lot of of work done making sure that 757 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,320 people understand what AI is right, what the different kinds 758 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,600 of AI are and how they operate, and then what impact that has 759 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,840 from an identity standpoint. I think it's going to be really 760 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,200 interesting. So Jonathan Sanders leading that 761 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,080 one. There'll probably be a few other 762 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,680 folks involved. We've got one on non human 763 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,120 identity, which I suspect we'll come back to in a little bit. 764 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,000 Jim, I was fascinated to hear about that Gartner paper and, 765 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,040 and I, I agree, right? I mean, in my head, you talk to 766 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,360 people about non human identity and you tend to get a lot of 767 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,600 either workload or, or process or IoT. 768 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,240 In my head, it also includes things like business entity, 769 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:52,080 legal entity and fascinated with the animal one. 770 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,120 I have to say my thought went more broadly to things like 771 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,080 supply chain. So you know, one of the things 772 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,880 that came up with I'm going to be the first person that has to 773 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,360 take a drink on the podcast today. 774 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:11,720 Blockchain some years ago was, you know that the, the whole use 775 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:16,520 of a blockchain in supply chain and material provenance and that 776 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,080 kind of thing. Well, you think about if you put 777 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,320 let's say an RFID tag in, oh, I don't know, some lumber that's 778 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,040 going to be exported from somewhere. 779 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:32,000 Well, that has an identity. If you're managing a large farm 780 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,360 and you want to put tags in your, you're managing identity, 781 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,360 right. So when you talked about 782 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080 animals, that actually was where my head went to was was the 783 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,640 supply chain use case. Let me ask you a question about 784 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,520 that. Sure. 785 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,280 Yeah. Let me ask you. 786 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:51,840 So let's just say it is the the use case for animals is the RFID 787 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,040 chip. Is that then if we use RFID 788 00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,120 chips on inventory in a clothing store, right And there's 789 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,640 thousands of pieces of clothing and each one has an RFID chip, 790 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,600 does that mean that all those shirts have identities? 791 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,040 Cool. Or maybe you group them, right? 792 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:19,080 So maybe it's all large yellow button cuff shirts have an 793 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,520 identity because maybe you don't need to know each individual 794 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,600 one. If you're dealing with high 795 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,520 value goods, then actually you probably do, right? 796 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,160 So in the same way that you have a serial number for something, 797 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,760 that serial number has a might still an identity problem, 798 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,440 right? So my lovely microphone that 799 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,880 finally after five tries, I'm actually using this time around 800 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,600 has a serial number and it has a warranty and somebody's tracking 801 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,920 that somewhere, right? It it, it has an identity. 802 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,440 Now, at the moment it doesn't need to do anything, but if it's 803 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,200 connected, it absolutely does need to do things. 804 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,800 And and then we have, you know, then then the thing explodes 805 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,960 very quickly, so. Yeah, We have quadrillions of 806 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,000 entities around the world. If we start saying that every 807 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,680 individual piece of inventory has identities and it explodes 808 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,080 the scope of, you know, originally I, I, when I got in 809 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,640 this industry, we're talking about people who has access to 810 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,160 what right. And, and so now it's really 811 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,120 taking much bigger. So I wanted to pull this back, 812 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,080 though, actually to the idea of Jeff and you collaborating to 813 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,680 build an AI because I was thinking of hallucinations. 814 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,160 So what if you say I'm interested in machine or non 815 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,800 human identities and blah blah blah and it says you should 816 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,320 attend the session on animal identities and that doesn't 817 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,400 exist. That would be really interesting 818 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,760 if somebody goes out and, you know, thinks they're going to go 819 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,320 to the animal identity session and there is no session for 820 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,000 that. That would be interesting, and 821 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,200 that's why we're going to experiment with this before we 822 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,120 suggest that people actually do it for real. 823 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,800 That's a good idea. Maybe maybe it highlights gaps 824 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,080 and topics that like, oh, we never really kind of thought 825 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,160 about that. So who knows, maybe there will 826 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,760 be a a, you know, dog identity session next year or something 827 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,880 like that. You never know, back to my 828 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,800 workshop. So we've got AI, we've got the 829 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,080 Non human identity one, and we've partnered with the Non 830 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,600 Human Identity Institute, Lalit Chodo to help us with that one. 831 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,920 Again, there'll be a few of the folks involved, but Lalit's kind 832 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960 of driving that We're going to spend some time. 833 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,560 We've got a workshop on personal identity. 834 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,920 So that's digital identity wallets and and mobile driver's 835 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,040 license and all of the things that go along with that. 836 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,400 Christina and, and, and Teresa, we're going to sort of headline 837 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,360 that one. Again, we're expecting there'll 838 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,080 be a few other folks coming in to help out. 839 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:46,040 And then the last one is continuous and event driven 840 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,800 identity, which Sean Adele and Andrew Cameron are primarily 841 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,120 going to do. And again, they'll, they'll pull 842 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:59,720 in some folks and all of that. So those four workshops plus the 843 00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,160 Sands Institute workshop will all run on the Tuesday morning 844 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,080 on the 3rd. And so if people are making 845 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,240 travel plans, you're probably going to want to think about, 846 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,840 you know, getting in on, on Monday in the, in the evening. 847 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,240 Probably those do require additional registration, right? 848 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,560 So all of those details are up on the Idenovus website. 849 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,200 When you go and register, you can select to, to add one of 850 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,720 those workshops and you do have to preselect that one for sort 851 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:29,920 of self-evident reasons. All of that wraps up under a, a, 852 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,760 a sort of overall conference focus for us this year. 853 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,440 So again, I'm avoiding words, right? 854 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,040 Just like I tried to avoid the word track earlier and we talk 855 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,760 about primary topic areas, I also try to avoid the word 856 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,080 theme. And the reason I try to avoid 857 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,240 the word theme is that I think you go to a conference, it has a 858 00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,640 theme. There's an expectation that most 859 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,320 of the things that you attend are going to be about that 860 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,800 particular theme, right? So we have what I like to call a 861 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,440 primary focus and I think of it like an infusion, right? 862 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,560 So it infuses the agenda, but it isn't, it isn't everything, 863 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,400 right? It's just a flavour that that 864 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,200 you get through the course of the week. 865 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,200 And so for us this year, that's innovation, which I know is 866 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,720 really big and really broad. But the reason that we picked 867 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,920 that is there is an awful lot of new, right? 868 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,400 Part of the reason we have those four workshops is those are four 869 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,520 big areas of new development. There's a lot going. 870 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,400 You could pick any one of those areas and say we'll spend a week 871 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,120 talking about that, right? And there are four of them. 872 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,480 And I'm sure that some other group of people would look at 873 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,920 the industry and go, no, no, there are four other ones, 874 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,600 right? There's a lot going on. 875 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,720 And so it felt like a really good opportunity for us to talk 876 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:56,560 about some of the new that's happening, to talk about how to 877 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,360 deal with how to handle some of the new that's happening, right. 878 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,440 I mean, if you're in this industry, there's enough to 879 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,920 think about as it is. And then somebody comes along 880 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,360 and says, hey, by the way, we're going to put RFID chips in all 881 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,560 of our cats. How are you going to handle 882 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,920 that, right? There's a lot of change and, and 883 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,640 so understanding how to deal with that, understanding how to 884 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,680 make use of that, right? When is it appropriate for me to 885 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,800 innovate? When is it appropriate for me to 886 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,200 stick with what's tried and tested, right? 887 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,200 Those are all things that I think are really important and 888 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,720 it's really exciting, right? I mean, it's incredibly exciting 889 00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,400 to see the amount of stuff that's happening in the industry 890 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,800 is, is, I think it feels to me like it's more than we've seen 891 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,160 in, I want to say 15 years and it might be longer, right? 892 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,680 I mean it, there's just a lot. Yeah, that's a, that's a really 893 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,840 good point. So beyond kind of everything we 894 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,920 just talked about, I think the last thing that I'd want to to 895 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,080 know would be, well, you know #1 what can we expect out of the 896 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,120 keynote keynotes this year? And hey, we're going to Vegas. 897 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,080 What are some of the after hour things that are planned within 898 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,960 the conference? Yeah. 899 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,200 So the mainstage for us has always been about setting broad 900 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,600 context for, for the industry, right. 901 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,280 And adding a little bit of what one of my colleagues likes to 902 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,400 call Sparkle, right? You, you, you want to have some 903 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,000 fun with the mainstage. And we've always tried to put on 904 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,560 a, a, a good show, right? I mean, the, the AV company that 905 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,880 we've worked with historically does an amazing job there and 906 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,280 it's honesty. I mean, I get to go and, and 907 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,840 play on the mainstage and I love it, right? 908 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,960 I mean, it's just, it's just an amazing environment to be in. 909 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:49,880 So we've got a, a few things, right. 910 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,440 I guess I'll, I'll probably be up there a little bit saying 911 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,920 some stuff. Andre Duran will be up there. 912 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,120 So he's the the founder of Identiverse originally and it's 913 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,000 always nice to have him along and, and talk about his 914 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,280 perspectives on, you know, what he sees happening in the 915 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,600 industry at the moment. We've got a handful of guest 916 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,480 keynotes that we've already confirmed there'll be some more 917 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,720 coming later on. So it's definitely worth keeping 918 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:15,520 an eye on the website as we make, you know, more 919 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,160 announcements as we get a little closer. 920 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,160 But three that I'm I'm particularly excited about. 921 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,840 In no particular order. So Hannah Rutter. 922 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,520 Hannah is the Deputy Director of Digital identity with the 923 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600 Department for Science, Innovation Technology here in 924 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,520 the UK. So she's going to come across 925 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,160 and talk about some of what's happening here. 926 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,040 And I think for me, that's exciting partly because I look, 927 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960 you know, I'm based here, I'm based in the Uki am British. 928 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,880 It's always nice to be able to put some some, you know, British 929 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,360 perspective into the show beyond just mine. 930 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,200 But more importantly, and we did this last year, having folks 931 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,240 from outside of North America common and help expand that 932 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,840 horizon a little bit, there's a lot going on within the US. 933 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,560 There's also a lot going on outside the US and we can all 934 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,960 learn from from that sort of global perspective. 935 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,880 So we had some folks from Australia come and talk to us 936 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,120 last year. It'd be really good to have 937 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,800 Hannah join the conversation this year. 938 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,920 We've got a gentleman by the name of Michael Coates. 939 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:24,480 So Michael was the first CSO at Twitter when Twitter was still 940 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,520 Twitter way back. He was also the cease at 941 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,000 Mozilla. He was the chair of a WASP for a 942 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,120 number of years and he's done a whole bunch of other stuff. 943 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,920 So again, you know, hearing his perspective on on what he's 944 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,960 seeing today and and how he thinks about this industry, I 945 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,720 think is going to be really, really fascinating. 946 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,880 And then a wonderful woman called Rommid Ben and Kassar. 947 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,600 And I recommend people go and, and you can sort of look up her 948 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,120 profile online, but Robin has an amazing history of, you know, 949 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,640 being an endurance athlete, an ultra athlete. 950 00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,280 She has a number of world records and some fascinating, 951 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,880 you know, long distance kayaking things. 952 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,080 She's also a firefighter over in San Diego in that area and has, 953 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,360 you know, lots of other things to talk about. 954 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,640 So that'll be something a little bit different for everyone up on 955 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,880 the mainstage. I'm really, really looking 956 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,920 forward to that. Then we've got some folks from 957 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,920 within the industry whose names people will recognize. 958 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,760 So I'm, I'm particularly looking forward at the end of the week 959 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,600 on Friday, again, Sean Odell and and Andrew Cameron, you know, 960 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,080 talk to us about continuous identity and in the slightly, 961 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,640 you know, broader context up on the mainstage. 962 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,240 I'm really excited about that one. 963 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,120 And we'll have a few others like I say, that will announce 964 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,480 between between here and and the show. 965 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,920 So yeah, lots to lots to get stuck into. 966 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,680 And that actually reminds me, it gives me an opportunity to say 967 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,280 it is worth remembering that the event really does run through 968 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,160 until Friday lunchtime. I think if you've been to other 969 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,000 shows, there's this this sort of expectation almost built in that 970 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,240 OK, well, by the time I get to Thursday night, it's pretty much 971 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:05,840 done, right? No, we have a big block of 972 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,240 content and it's really in depth content on Friday morning 973 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:10,640 leading up to the closing keynotes. 974 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,200 If you can, it is absolutely worth staying through that 975 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,040 because that's where a lot of the meat of the of the agenda 976 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,880 ends up being is on that Friday morning. 977 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,360 So really recommend that people if, if you can kind of make 978 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,360 travel plans around that stay through, you know, see the 979 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,400 closing keynote, it's up to lunchtime and then head off 980 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,280 after that if you possibly can. Yeah, there's, there's too much 981 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,640 good content in. That's the problem, right? 982 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,720 It's like, it's so much, yeah. I always end up struggling and 983 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,520 say OK I want to go to like these six different things 984 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,880 taking place at the exact same time. 985 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,960 Yeah, it's the hardest thing every year. 986 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,520 I mean, we, we have this problem when, when you know, the 987 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,480 committee and I are sort of doing the, the CFP process. 988 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,840 And again, that's, you know, 6 to 8 week process for us of, of 989 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,200 really looking through. I mean, you know, I think you 990 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,280 guys know this, but I know there'll be people listening who 991 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,800 don't, right? Every single proposal that comes 992 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,360 into the CFP gets at least three reviewers looking at it, me +2 993 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,320 and usually it's me plus three others. 994 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,960 And then we have calls for each of those topic areas, quite 995 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,880 lengthy conversations about, OK, well, here are the things, you 996 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,040 know, here's what we thought. Let's see and see what we can 997 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,600 start. And every year we have to turn 998 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,680 down. I mean, you know, we had space 999 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,960 to accept about 1/5, just under 1/5 of everything that we 1000 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,920 received. And we could have picked, you 1001 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,280 know, a different 5th and it still would have been awesome, 1002 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,080 right? It's really, really hard. 1003 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,280 And I have a huge amount of admiration for my wonderful 1004 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,680 content committee. You put in the effort, but I 1005 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,120 also have a huge amount of admiration for every single 1006 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,200 person who puts in a proposal every year. 1007 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,480 They're all great, and I'm really sorry we couldn't accept 1008 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,080 them. All right. 1009 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,640 I mean, I'd love to be able to do that. 1010 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,360 So, you know, the end result is, yeah, you know, we have a, we 1011 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,160 have a pretty solid week of content. 1012 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,640 It's one of the reasons why we keep the most of the sessions 1013 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,160 quite short is because there's a lot to get through. 1014 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,680 And the reality is it's hard for people to sit through more than 1015 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,760 about 20 minutes and really pay attention. 1016 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,680 Actually, the number of people that can present well for more 1017 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,840 than about 2025 minutes is is not large either, right? 1018 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,880 So it's one of the reasons we keep it short. 1019 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,120 And there's lots of opportunity sort of after hours to, you 1020 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,320 know, to come back around, find the presenter, have a 1021 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,480 conversation, dig into stuff in in a little bit more more depth 1022 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,840 and more detail. And so that brings me to the 1023 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,800 after hours, which I know Jim, you asked about. 1024 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,200 So couple of things that that we already know that we can talk 1025 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,120 about on the opening evening. So on the Tuesday, right after 1026 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,680 the opening keynotes in, in the late afternoon, we'll have a big 1027 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,280 welcome reception in the Expo hall. 1028 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,560 That's always a lot of fun. I'm hoping that we might have 1029 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,560 you, you guys at IDAC doing something in there. 1030 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,000 I know that's still a little bit up in the air, but fingers 1031 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,800 crossed that comes off and there'll be lots of other stuff 1032 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,440 going on in there as well. Actually, I didn't mention it, 1033 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,240 but I talked about non human identity earlier. 1034 00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,840 We've actually on the show floor, we've got a non human 1035 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,800 identity pavilions. There's going to be, you know, a 1036 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,920 whole bunch of of very specific stuff going going on there. 1037 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,640 Bunch of new sponsors, new vendors in in that particular 1038 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,880 space that I think it's going to be really, really interesting to 1039 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,600 see. A lot of the vendors also have, 1040 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,960 you know, demonstrations, presentations down on the show 1041 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,800 floor. So it's a, it's a pretty vibrant 1042 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,560 environment both for networking and for learning. 1043 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,000 Actually down there, I'm saying that'll be a lot of fun. 1044 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,560 I'm saying down there, by the way, because in my head, I'm 1045 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,760 still visualizing this in the Aria from last year where it 1046 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,520 really was downstairs. This year, I think it's all on 1047 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,680 the same floor, so it's a little easier to navigate. 1048 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,160 So that's the the welcome reception. 1049 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,520 We'll also have a closing party on the Thursday evening. 1050 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,280 Again, remember, if you go to the closing party that there is 1051 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,120 going to be material starting at 8:30. 1052 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680 Please be respectful. But that should be a lot of fun. 1053 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,280 I don't have the details of that yet. 1054 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,560 I know that it's happening. I know that it'll be great. 1055 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,560 You know, there's, there's lots of opportunity in Vegas to have 1056 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:15,440 fun with those sorts of things. So I'm sure that'll be fabulous. 1057 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,360 And then I know that a lot of the kind of industry groups will 1058 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,760 have various things going on during the week, right. 1059 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,080 I know for sure that ID Pro will be doing something. 1060 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,680 I don't have the details. I just know it's going to 1061 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,840 happen. I have no doubt that there will 1062 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,000 be others as well. And those will start to emerge 1063 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,840 over the course of, you know, the the next few months between 1064 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,440 now and and June. So there's, you know, there's a 1065 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,080 lot to get stuck into. One of the tricks and Alan and 1066 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,200 and Heather always like talking about this at that newcomer 1067 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,400 session is pacing is really important, right? 1068 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,320 There's a there's a lot during the week and if you want to get 1069 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,120 the most out of it, you it's definitely a marathon, right? 1070 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,360 You want to pace yourself very, very carefully so that you leave 1071 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,480 at the end not feeling like you've, you know, completely 1072 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,480 used up every last sort of gram of energy that you have. 1073 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,800 Erg of energy. Save that for the flight at 1074 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,800 home. That's when you can sleep. 1075 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:11,880 Right. Yeah. 1076 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,840 Drink lots of water. And I mean, there's just so many 1077 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,320 good things going on. I think, you know, in addition 1078 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,000 to everything you just talked about, you know, of course every 1079 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,120 vendor is going to have like their own things going on. 1080 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,960 So I'm sure people are looking forward to having their e-mail 1081 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,800 inboxes inundated with every single vendor that they've done 1082 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,840 business with or might do business with or never heard of 1083 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,080 inviting them to do a bunch of different things. 1084 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,360 Go have fun. You know, these, some of these 1085 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:37,640 events are kind of cool. It's like, hey, go take 1086 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,720 advantage of that kind of stuff. So it's, it's, it's a way to 1087 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,960 kind of see the town sometimes and a lot of things going on. 1088 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,360 But yeah, all and pace yourself. It's really good. 1089 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,800 It's it's really good life advice, not just for 1090 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,800 Identiverse. It's great for Vegas and it's 1091 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,280 just great in general. OK, you guys need a new tagline. 1092 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,680 I don't need the Santa Claus advice for identity advice for 1093 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,080 life. I don't know if we can provide 1094 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,400 any good advice for either of those things, but I'll take it, 1095 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,080 you know, who knows? So Speaking of Vegas, kind of 1096 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,240 end on a lighter note here. There's so much to see and do in 1097 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,080 Las Vegas and I've been there many times. 1098 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,440 I think at this point, I feel like I go there at least once or 1099 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,920 twice a year for like the last 15 years or so. 1100 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,240 Is there something, Andy, that that comes to mind when I say 1101 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:32,120 give me like a place, an activity, a thing that people 1102 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,600 should be checking out the next time they go to Las Vegas? 1103 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,400 I was hoping you were going to phrase that question as what's 1104 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,480 your favorite place to be in Vegas, and then my answer was 1105 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,840 going to be, In all honesty, at the end of Identiverse week, my 1106 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,920 favorite place to be is the departure lounge at the. 1107 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,240 Airport say Mccarran International. 1108 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,840 I don't think it's Mccarran anymore and whatever it's 1109 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,480 called, but yeah. Yeah, whatever it's called. 1110 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,480 You know, I in all fairness, I get so little time when I'm, 1111 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,760 when I'm there to kind of get out and experience stuff. 1112 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,640 And I know there's a huge amount to see and do there. 1113 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,960 So I'm probably not the best person to give recommendations. 1114 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,560 I will say this though, some of the food in Vegas is, I mean, 1115 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,600 some of the restaurants are just out of this. 1116 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,240 Well, I mean like like world beatingly good, right? 1117 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,680 Like proper, proper world class quality. 1118 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,440 And so to the extent that folks are into, you know, really good 1119 00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,360 cuisine, there's there's some great food in Vegas. 1120 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,640 And I think, and most of my experience there has been with 1121 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,520 the sort of hiring places, but I think if you go looking a little 1122 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,880 bit, there are some really straightforward, you know, good, 1123 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,400 honest home cooking kind of kind of food. 1124 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,080 But it's really good, right? So yeah, I, that's, that's my 1125 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,800 thing. I'd love to be able to get and 1126 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,000 see some of the shows and, and all the rest of it. 1127 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,960 And I'd love to get out of the city and go explore, you know, 1128 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,480 I, there's a bunch of stuff to do and see around Vegas as well. 1129 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,400 But yeah, apart from the departure lounge, it's all about 1130 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,400 the food for me, so. There's nothing with that. 1131 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:10,040 I, I still think of a nice Wagyu cut that I had four years ago, 1132 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280 Universe at, at Caesars. It was literally the best day 1133 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,720 I've ever had. So I absolutely echo world class 1134 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,040 when it comes to food and, and the entertainment goes around 1135 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,760 it. Jim, what do you got for like a 1136 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,360 place or an activity or something? 1137 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,000 And I have a feeling I know what you're going to say, at least 1138 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,960 one of the things you might say. Yeah, So I mean, I've been to 1139 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,600 Vegas over 20 times, more than 20 times. 1140 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,760 So I'm going to sound a little bit like a broken record because 1141 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,040 I have to pick a few items, right? 1142 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,480 And what I want to do is pick those within the context of 1143 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,600 folks are only going to be there probably for a week, maybe tag a 1144 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,440 few days on which I think is a great idea. 1145 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,400 If you can do it. I would tag them on to the 1146 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,240 beginning, but because by the end of the conference, you're 1147 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,920 just going to want to leave. So my my pro tip would be if 1148 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,600 you're going to tag on time, the preference would be before. 1149 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,680 So number one, last year I went to this sphere. 1150 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,840 I think it was pretty new at the time, so. 1151 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,960 That's the one I thought that you would mention. 1152 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,400 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just like you 1153 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,040 probably have never done anything like it before. 1154 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,960 I know when I went, when I'd gone, it was a totally immersive 1155 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,640 experience. I mean, I've done IMAX and 1156 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,360 things like that, but being there at the Sphere, I had to 1157 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,760 keep taking my eyes off the screen because it was so 1158 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,040 immersive. Like I was starting to feel 1159 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,560 scared, like I was flying and super. 1160 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,280 Cool and you can see it flying in. 1161 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,920 So if you're on a window seat, raise that window and depending 1162 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,960 on the, the flight landing pattern, you can see it. 1163 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,760 It's obviously much more visible at night. 1164 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,080 And they usually do cool things on the side of it, you know, at 1165 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,920 night or around it. But it's it's, it's a sight to 1166 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,840 behold. I paused that sentence 1167 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,960 completely wrong. I I had visions of the whole 1168 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,640 sphere flying in, which was a whole different kind of. 1169 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,440 That's a different experience, yeah. 1170 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,520 So, so that's number one, that's on the strip #2 would take you 1171 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,000 off the Strip to downtown Vegas. And I recall Fremont Street, 1172 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,680 you'd probably have seen videos of it. 1173 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,520 There's like an overhead canopy, which is actually like a huge TV 1174 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:16,280 screen. And it's like what I think you 1175 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,520 would think of Vegas if you, if your only experience was not 1176 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,920 just going to the Strip. I mean, you know, on the Strip, 1177 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,960 literally some of the hotels, if you get a cocktail, you can 1178 01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,760 spend $35 for a Margarita, which is insane, right? 1179 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,400 Whereas you go to Fremont Street, you're talking about 1180 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,480 under 10 bucks and it's a lot bigger. 1181 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:42,000 So just that's just an example. I think overall it's just, you 1182 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,360 know, kind of a more authentic experience and living within the 1183 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:54,560 bubble of a resort on the Strip. It's very expensive and like, I 1184 01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,480 think it's just fun to break away from that. 1185 01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,320 The third thing I was going to mention, Mandalay Bay has a 1186 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,280 really cool pool. I think it's like a beach and 1187 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,000 from what I'm remembering, it has like a wave pool. 1188 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,520 So it's kind of like that. If you ever been to a wave pool, 1189 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,720 that's kind of the experience of the beach. 1190 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,960 They actually have like real sand and everything. 1191 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,760 So it's been a few years since I've been there, but it's kind 1192 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,320 of a unique hotel from that perspective. 1193 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,120 Mano is a cool spot. Mano is a cool spot. 1194 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,720 I like Fremont Street. I didn't discover that until 1195 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,280 maybe one or two years ago. And it's one of my favorite 1196 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,240 places in Vegas. If you like live music, they 1197 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,480 have like 4 different stages with different acts playing and 1198 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,480 the place is big enough that you know they're, they're not 1199 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,560 interfering with each other when you know when they're playing. 1200 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,240 But if you're looking for something to do Friday night, 1201 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,600 like after the show ends, like that's a great spot to go out 1202 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:47,800 to. I mean, it'll be busy, it'll be 1203 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,080 packed and you know, hopefully weather is, is good right from 1204 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,400 like a heat perspective in Vegas. 1205 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,040 But it is a cool spot to go to for sure. 1206 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,600 I definitely like Fremont Street for just for the live music 1207 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:02,040 aspect and and being outdoors. Because usually what happens is 1208 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,200 I go to Vegas, I land, I go from the airport to the hotel and 1209 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,480 then I don't see daylight sometimes until two or three 1210 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,320 days later. But I definitely echo Fremont 1211 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,080 Street. The one that I'm going to bring 1212 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,520 up is a place that my brother introduced to me, I think it was 1213 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,120 last year. It's called Area 15. 1214 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,440 So he lives just South of Vegas on the just South of the strip. 1215 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,760 And it's a place called Area 15. It's like AI don't know how to 1216 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,480 describe it. It's kind of like a experience 1217 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,920 type thing. Just weird, wild, you know, EDM 1218 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,640 type music and it's just kind of a fun place to go to and just 1219 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,640 try a bunch of different things. They had this really cool kind 1220 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,040 of like immersive experience where they have it's a giant 1221 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,800 room and there's projectors and it's not the sphere, you know, 1222 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,520 quality or that level, but you're in this giant room and 1223 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:58,320 the projectors are showing like a surround view, 360° space 1224 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,600 travel and like being on the moon and a bunch of different 1225 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,200 stuff. It's kind of super trippy and 1226 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,400 it's a totally different vibe than anything else that done at 1227 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,120 Vegas. And it's off strip. 1228 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,080 So it's on the North End. I want to say it's kind of close 1229 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:14,040 to Stratosphere, sort of to the West of that past the highway 1230 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,400 there. But it's just a cool little spot 1231 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,080 and it wasn't too busy last time I was there. 1232 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,280 Maybe it was there, you know, off times and off season. 1233 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,600 But it's a cool spot to kind of get off the strip and do stuff. 1234 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,000 And they have a bunch of different things you can do 1235 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,800 there. So, you know, one of those 1236 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,360 silent discos right, where you put on the headphones and you 1237 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,760 just kind of do, you know, black flight type things with trippy 1238 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,880 music and different visual effects. 1239 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,000 You know, I'm sure there is a a certain population that might be 1240 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,120 listening like, yeah, that sounds totally for me. 1241 01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,560 And then there is like, just as making it like that sounds 1242 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,080 terrible and I'm never going to do that. 1243 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,800 So Jeff, you've always been a big fan of Vegas. 1244 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,880 Are you big enough fan that you would actually live there? 1245 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,400 I would, I would not. I mean, I would probably live 1246 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,640 off strip somewhere obviously, but we know you're. 1247 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,640 Not that rich to live on shrimp, yeah. 1248 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,200 Right. We're going to do a we're going 1249 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,760 to get a few more sponsors, make really identity at the center to 1250 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,960 have me at the center of Vegas. There you go. 1251 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,440 Life goals, that kind of thing. But yeah, I would live in Vegas. 1252 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,800 I like the area. And, you know, I know it's a 1253 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,160 desert and he's like my kryptonite, but it's a dry heat, 1254 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,120 and that's what air conditioning is for. 1255 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,680 I stay indoors, and then I go out at night like a vampire. 1256 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,000 Yeah. So I would do that. 1257 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,160 Sharp's answer is yes. And that's that's it. 1258 01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,080 That's what I'll take it. What does that shock you in any 1259 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:38,120 way, Jim? No, I just, I mean it, it's 1260 01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,480 great. It's a great place. 1261 01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,160 I always look at it as like, it's a great place to visit, but 1262 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,320 I wouldn't want to live there. But at the same time it's like I 1263 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,960 see different videos of, you know, me, I like to go to the 1264 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,960 gym. They've got some of the, they've 1265 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,560 got a number of the best gyms in the world in Vegas. 1266 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:59,720 So as far as like things to do and being the top quality, I 1267 01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,680 think I could, but it's expensive overall. 1268 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:10,520 It's hot in the summer and I don't think I want to live in 1269 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,080 the desert. It makes my nose very dry and I 1270 01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,520 don't like how that feels. So every time I visit a desert, 1271 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:24,320 my sciences get very irritated. I That sounds like a minor 1272 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,800 thing, but if you have to deal with that like every day for the 1273 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,880 rest of your life, that's not a minor thing. 1274 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,280 No, I get it. And I and I think I'm, you know, 1275 01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,320 the mindset where, like I said, I don't gamble, I don't really 1276 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:40,040 drink. So those types of vices, you 1277 01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,760 know, I'm probably more resistant to. 1278 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,640 It's not for everybody. I get it. 1279 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,360 But I mean, I would live pretty much anywhere. 1280 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,920 At least I would try it out. Let's just put that where I'd 1281 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,840 say is a different story, but at an end of base number of times, 1282 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,560 I would live off strip somewhere and if I want a good meal, I can 1283 01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,720 go to the strip or find a many number of off strip places. 1284 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,600 There are so many good places to eat off strip. 1285 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,800 I know we went to one and it was last year was year before that 1286 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,480 that Daniel took us to. So if if you get a chance to go 1287 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,280 out to dinner with RSM, do it. You're doing someplace good and 1288 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,760 it's usually someplace that's not like, OK, been there before 1289 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,800 or it's like, you know, kind of ho hum. 1290 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,920 Usually we're picked up good spots that are kind of offbeat 1291 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,160 and interesting. There you go pro temp self plug 1292 01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,399 for us as we go out because I'm sure we'll be doing something 1293 01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:30,479 dinner out there. We have rambled on for wow, 1294 01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,960 almost an hour, over an hour and 10 minutes. 1295 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,520 So Andy, thank you so much for being part of this and thank you 1296 01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,160 for putting on helping put in the conference and continue to 1297 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,880 advocate for that importance of business. 1298 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,319 And I am tracked again. You know, that's something I 1299 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,359 feel like we need more about that if we need to be able to 1300 01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:51,000 articulate the value of it and not everyone gets identity and 1301 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,640 we need to be able to translate it into human speech sometimes. 1302 01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,399 So thank you for that, Andy. And it still is at the center. 1303 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,279 It is still at the center. It is, yeah. 1304 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,680 Thank you guys. So we'll go ahead and wrap it up 1305 01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:04,640 here. Don't forget we do have a 1306 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,160 discount code, IDV 25-I D AC25 gets you 25% off. 1307 01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,319 Take advantage of that. Stack it up with whatever else 1308 01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,760 you got going on. And like I said, open invite. 1309 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,080 You see, Jen or I, you know, walking around, please come up, 1310 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,800 say hello, give us a fist bump, you know, you know, it's just a 1311 01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,960 nod, Say hey, you know, whatever. 1312 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,399 That's cool. I'm always happy to to meet with 1313 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,160 folks and, you know, set aside time to kind of chat and catch 1314 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,200 up and, and just see what's at at the top of their minds, you 1315 01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,760 know, when it comes to whatever's going on. 1316 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,880 So with that, we'll go ahead and leave for this week. 1317 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,880 We'll have one center show notes for all this stuff, so you can 1318 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,240 check it out with a link for Andy. 1319 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:42,279 You can talk to him about your famous Vegas experiences or you 1320 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,359 know, Andy, when you said earlier, it's like you're 1321 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,760 rushing back and forth between, you know, things, that's pretty 1322 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,920 much how I always see you. And so I always try to get a 1323 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,600 point and say, come on and say, hey, thank you, you know, if 1324 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,720 your support and stuff like that. 1325 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,880 But I know you're busy. So sometimes it's just like a 1326 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,560 nod or a point or something like that. 1327 01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:01,760 So I totally got it. So yeah, there we go. 1328 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,880 We're on the web, IDC podcast.com, see you at 1329 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,720 Identiverse. Check us out on our YouTube 1330 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,120 channel, like and subscribe to all the fun things helps us out 1331 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,720 and we'll talk with everyone in the next one. 1332 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,080 You've been listening to Identity at the Center. 1333 01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:21,520 We hope you've enjoyed the show. 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