1 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:13,000 You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,600 the show that talks about identity and access management 3 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:18,600 and making sure you know who has access to what let's get 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:27,000 started. Welcome to the identity of the 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,900 sender podcast I'm Jeff and that's Jim. 6 00:00:28,900 --> 00:00:32,299 Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you? Oh, not so bad yourself doing 7 00:00:32,299 --> 00:00:35,100 great. Hey, have you ever sat down and 8 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:39,700 read and I am system design document from end to end. 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,600 Yes. But not by choice but not the 10 00:00:43,608 --> 00:00:45,500 most thrilling reading. Yeah. 11 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:47,900 No, it's definitely. Not the most for me reading even 12 00:00:47,900 --> 00:00:51,500 though I love identity and access management, it's kind of 13 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:55,800 a boring, very detailed read and I kind of thought to myself. 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,700 Well, maybe I'm not the target audience for those documents, 15 00:01:00,900 --> 00:01:04,599 but since I'm reading it, you know, and people ask me for 16 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:07,500 feedback on it, have you ever seen that movie? 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,700 I can't remember the name of the movie, but it's I think it's 18 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:14,600 Denzel Washington. And his go-to line is like 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,400 explaining to me like a 5th grader. 20 00:01:16,500 --> 00:01:18,200 I can't think of it off hand, I don't know. 21 00:01:18,300 --> 00:01:21,700 Okay, well anyway, that was kind of like my thinking, like, let's 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,800 boil this down. So it's not like Like you have 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,100 to, you know, in transparency so it's were deploying a cell point 24 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:35,400 system and it's like I yes I have the context for what cell 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,100 Point does right identity. Governance identity governance 26 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:43,500 and administration I get that but the folks on the client side 27 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,800 may not realize that hey there's these identity cubes being 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,500 created and we're doing all these provisioning events and so 29 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:54,500 I kind of thought you know a lot about it from the standpoint It 30 00:01:54,500 --> 00:01:59,400 that it's missing the context, people don't always have that 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,800 base knowledge. Also kind of reminded me of 32 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:05,900 something that happened recently with my son. 33 00:02:05,900 --> 00:02:10,000 So he called a phone number. I asked him to get give 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,500 something I called and I said, hey, did you call that? 35 00:02:14,500 --> 00:02:15,500 That? Number is like, yeah. 36 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:20,100 But I'm getting like this weird beeping noise, Like what are you 37 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:21,900 talking about? Weird, beeping noise. 38 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,100 So I call the phone number, it's a busy signal. 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,600 He's not have the context, he does. 40 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,500 It was the first time he'd ever heard a busy signal before. 41 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:34,700 So now that you know they don't know what a typewriter sounds 42 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:36,700 like you know that's like what the sound effect is for 43 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:38,300 keyboards. You know the play it's like 44 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:41,700 never never actually heard a typewriter in real life. 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,500 Yeah, the moaning sound right connection. 46 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:47,100 All, you know, all of us old people who, you know, grew up in 47 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:53,300 the dark ages of computing. Yeah, I thought of saying that 48 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:56,000 we used to use all the time so something I was up, you know, 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,300 495 guys. It was dial tone. 50 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,100 It was like you pick up the phone, you dial turn but I guess 51 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:05,300 younger Generations. Wouldn't even know what the heck 52 00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:07,900 you're talking about, right, right. 53 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,900 Hey, I saw something yesterday. That made me think You 54 00:03:12,900 --> 00:03:15,100 specifically and that was I don't know if you saw this but 55 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:19,500 meta announced their new VR headset and ends. 56 00:03:19,500 --> 00:03:23,300 It's a fifteen hundred dollar headset in the middle of a 57 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:26,800 recession. And it's selling point is that 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,100 it's really meant for like the business and Enterprise so that 59 00:03:30,100 --> 00:03:33,600 you can have your team meetings and the metaverse, doesn't that 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,100 sound exciting? I love it. 61 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:37,200 I made. It might be an idea. 62 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,100 That's a little bit ahead of its time but I think eventually 63 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:42,900 that's the way it's going. To go. 64 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,300 You know, people want to feel like they're in the room 65 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:49,400 together without leaving their house and I think being an 66 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:55,300 avatar kind of like allows you to get up and, you know, not 67 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:59,000 just that not get out your chip of your jammies and go right 68 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,900 into the meeting and, you know, be wearing a three-piece suit if 69 00:04:01,900 --> 00:04:06,500 you want, I hate this, there is no way, I'm spending fifteen 70 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:09,100 hundred dollars on a headset, just to attend a team meeting 71 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:11,300 and I and you know me, I love technology. 72 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:14,200 I'm surrounded by it. I was testing yourself but that 73 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,800 is that is not a feature that I am interested in when it comes 74 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,200 to VR or any of the things that I do not want to be in a meeting 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,600 and be are now, what if you had that, that had served on and 76 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,100 they had the functionality that you felt like you're in 77 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:33,100 conference room and you had access to white boards and you 78 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:35,900 pretty much hold with felt like a marker and you're writing on 79 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:38,700 the Whiteboard and it really felt like you're in the room. 80 00:04:38,700 --> 00:04:42,200 And you can look around and see people's reactions and things. 81 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:43,900 Like that, wouldn't that be worth it? 82 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:47,200 Not really because the visual Fidelity, isn't there yet? 83 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,800 This isn't so right, this is an audio podcast but we do have a 84 00:04:49,808 --> 00:04:52,200 video component that we use behind the scenes and this 85 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,000 camera quality is good, right? We can kind of see each other 86 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,000 and everything looks good. That is not what the metaverse 87 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,500 today looks like. It is not photo realistic. 88 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:05,500 It is, I would probably equate it to something like, you know, 89 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:08,900 Nintendo and like they're those me characters that they have 90 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:10,800 from with a Nintendo Wii and stuff like that. 91 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Like that's the visual fidelity. Of it. 92 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,300 And no I don't want to take a pen and write because I can't 93 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:19,700 read my own handwriting. I sure as heck can't risk in a 94 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:23,000 virtual wall that I have no idea what I'm writing up against. 95 00:05:23,700 --> 00:05:30,200 Yeah I remember it was about 15 years ago and the company I was 96 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:35,800 working for is falling out. He's Cisco basically televisions 97 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,300 to put in all the conference rooms and they had cameras on 98 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:42,200 them and things like that. And it's basically like having a 99 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:46,300 Teams meeting, you know, from conference room to conference 100 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:49,000 room and people are like, who needs this. 101 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,400 Why would we spend ten thousand dollars on this. 102 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,400 So I think that reality when things first break in super high 103 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,000 cost, you know, relatively low quality compared to what we can 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:07,300 do today. You know, nowadays you can I 105 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:11,500 couldn't imagine conducting Business Without video calls. 106 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:17,600 Yeah, I think it's helpful. I just that the technology for 107 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,000 the matter versus not there yet. It is not even close to what a 108 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,900 video quality looks like. Like it just doesn't work like 109 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:25,100 that. It looks like a video game. 110 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:31,800 What did you think of 3D TV? I never got into it. 111 00:06:31,900 --> 00:06:34,500 Never had it. I think at the time in my life 112 00:06:34,500 --> 00:06:37,900 when it was starting to maybe be a thing, I wore glasses. 113 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:42,100 So wearing glasses on top of another set of classes. 114 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:44,400 That's not the most appealing or welcome whole thing. 115 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,100 Same reason, I didn't really get into VR. 116 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:49,700 Several years back, was I used to wear glasses and having 117 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:54,400 glasses underneath my HTC Vive for those that were curious was 118 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,000 not a control thing. I got Lasik went back to it and 119 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,300 try it again and it was better, but still not as not comfortable 120 00:07:01,300 --> 00:07:04,400 having like this heavy thing on your head that is very front 121 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,400 heavy to. It makes your face when I click 122 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:09,000 tilt forward. So they need to be like a better 123 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,900 design and maybe takes the battery like a, some of the 124 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:13,700 newer ones, the kind of shifts it to the Back so that you've 125 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:17,200 now got this heavy sword almost like a giant helmet on. 126 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Right, exactly. Yeah. 127 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Well, I mean, I'll say one thing is like, I love being in person 128 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,400 for conferences and meeting people. 129 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,800 But I don't know about some of the business meetings or what 130 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:35,000 they're not they're ever going to be held in person, in 131 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,500 locations. Like, they were in the past 132 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:43,100 where, you know, so many of the clients that we work with. 13 133 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:46,800 teams are spread out around the country, so that not only have 134 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,800 to fly us as consultants in. They have to fly in their own 135 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,500 team members to some kind of central office. 136 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:56,600 And you know, it's costing type of cost. 137 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,600 Yeah, I don't see much sort of like, get together. 138 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,700 I think it's a, I think it's good to do for maybe like a 139 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:06,000 kickoff or very beginning or, you know, key strategic meetings 140 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,400 things like that on the way, but not like the old days, you know, 141 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,200 of 2020 early 2020, where people are. 142 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,600 Like oh, yeah, I'm gone Monday through Thursday at the client 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,800 site. Now I don't I just don't see 144 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,400 that coming back anytime soon. Yeah. 145 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,300 I just used to love whiteboarding out architectures 146 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:26,200 and how systems were going to work and everybody getting in a 147 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,100 room and you know, you could draw on the Whiteboard and 148 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:31,700 somebody else could take the marker and kind of draw on top 149 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:33,900 of your drawing. And that's where I think the 150 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:37,400 metaverse could take us is getting back to some of that. 151 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,500 I think it's expensive. If our son wants to buy us, 152 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,900 fifteen hundred dollar, metaverse helmet from, for meta, 153 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,000 and maybe, like a Wacom or cintiq tablet, right? 154 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,200 That we can kind of a surface may be the right that we can, 155 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,800 you know, at your sketch on for meetings. 156 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,900 I'm all for it, but that sounds like a pretty hefty investment 157 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:58,900 for just being able to whiteboard. 158 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,700 I'd like to just add edit. What you just said if anybody 159 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:06,500 was to biases things there a lot. 160 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:07,700 Oh yeah. Okay, yeah. 161 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,700 Maybe meta wants to sponsor the identity, the center podcast, 162 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:12,500 and send us a couple of headsets of do that. 163 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:15,200 All right, well speaking of getting a person, why don't we 164 00:09:15,208 --> 00:09:17,400 shift to our main topic because, guess what? 165 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Today is, Jim well survey today? Well today, as people are 166 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,500 listening to. This is October 17th, it's 167 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:28,100 Monday. And it is the first day of the 168 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:32,700 Afeni Kate 2022 conference and we're welcoming back for his 169 00:09:32,700 --> 00:09:36,400 sixth time on the show and Russia are, he's the executive 170 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,800 director of the fight Alliance. And thank you so much for 171 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,800 joining us again. Andrew, Guys, thanks for having 172 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,600 me, I'm missing all the fun conversation. 173 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Like I have strong opinions about the men of hers and all 174 00:09:45,808 --> 00:09:47,600 these things. But well we can get it to 175 00:09:47,608 --> 00:09:49,300 everyone for everything standard six times. 176 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:52,400 I'll do it, set aside to know. Well, we can get injured if you 177 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,600 want before we get to the conference. 178 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,900 But would you spend $1500 on a headset for Telugu and kannada? 179 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:01,100 And Jim, I thought your analogy of 3D TV was good. 180 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,500 I was really cool. I was really excited about that 181 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:06,800 and it came out and I still have a Dusty bin of 3D glasses 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,300 somewhere. I do think the metaverse has 183 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:12,700 legs, though. I was a skeptic until recently, 184 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,800 I kids got a headset and is pretty, pretty immersive. 185 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,500 But I just happened to see an email headline come through this 186 00:10:19,500 --> 00:10:22,100 morning. That someone is projecting the 187 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:25,600 Enterprise metaverse Market to be sixty billion dollars, sixty 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,500 billion 60s because it'd be. So that's a lot of excess, but I 189 00:10:29,508 --> 00:10:31,800 think that there's a lot of interesting applications for 190 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,000 metaverse Beyond just like pretending to be in a conference 191 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,700 room together. But you think about like 192 00:10:37,700 --> 00:10:41,600 Manufacturing and all sorts of stuff were you know, augmented 193 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,900 reality has actually been proven to work. 194 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:47,400 Anyhow, I digress that's off topic but I need to jump in. 195 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:49,800 No thanks that I did. And I agree with you, I think 196 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,800 augmented reality is a bunch of different beast and definitely 197 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,000 has has some interesting use cases, let's talk a fennec a 198 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,300 conference. Because today is the first day 199 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:00,300 people listening to this if they're catching us, right? 200 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:01,800 When we doubt right, when, right? 201 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,800 When he hits the internet and you'd be surprised, I go in the 202 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,100 first hour, they're already like a few hundred people who I've 203 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:09,300 done what before you even like, made it announcement on it, 204 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:11,300 which is pretty cool. So, thank you for that 205 00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:13,400 listeners. But if you're listening to this, 206 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,400 let's talk about the Thunder Cake conference. 207 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,000 This year. Can you give us a little 208 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,300 preview? You know who and what can people 209 00:11:19,300 --> 00:11:22,100 expect from this year? Yeah, yeah. 210 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:26,000 So we're super excited about authenticate, you last year's 211 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,300 our first time, we managed to pull an in-person authenticate 212 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:34,200 off and we had, you know, in midst of covid or the end of 213 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,500 covid in October. Last year, we had around 22 out 214 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:38,400 of chance. People there, which was great. 215 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,100 We're going to double that this year, so we'll have a lot more 216 00:11:43,100 --> 00:11:49,100 people. So closer to 500 engender on 217 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:53,000 said, an attendee profile as shifted to be in more of the 218 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,700 kind of deploying organizations. So we're seeing a lot of banks, 219 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,700 insurance companies of general, like Architects and siso office 220 00:11:59,700 --> 00:12:03,200 type people from these companies taking part and also a lot of 221 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,700 sea level folks from kind of a vendor ecosystem. 222 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,500 So in general, I think we have a very senior switched on 223 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:11,200 audience, will be attending authenticate this year. 224 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,500 One other note is that we're actually at capacity, so we're 225 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:17,000 recording this. In advance of the conference 226 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,500 will be, there's only literally, a handful of spots left to be on 227 00:12:21,500 --> 00:12:23,600 site. That's true for anyone who's 228 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,000 listening to this, who wanted to be on site and is listening 229 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,600 remotely because you'd only tender about Lee, sorry about 230 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,700 that, but make sure to sign up scooter next year. 231 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:36,200 So great turnout, you know, this super excited about a very 232 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,500 engaging Three days in Seattle. Yeah, it's a cool spot to have 233 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:41,400 it. And I think for people who 234 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,900 aren't familiar with the authentic a conference, I 235 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:47,500 attended the first one for me, at least last year, this is the 236 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:51,100 infamous gym getting sick at the last minute and leaving me to do 237 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:54,000 a presentation by myself at the last minute. 238 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,400 Not that, not that I still think about that at all because I'm 239 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,800 sure it was fine. But for people who aren't 240 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,200 familiar with Fido Alliance, I know you've been on, with time 241 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,000 talk about for but sort of a refresher. 242 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,500 Can you just kind of give us kind of a, you know, what is the 243 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,100 fight Alliance and and the Kind of a mission of the 244 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:10,900 organization. Yeah, so if I do the lines is 245 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:14,100 that it's an industry. Body comprised of you know over 246 00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:18,200 250 companies worldwide we work together to create Open 247 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,300 Standards for stronger. User authentication basically 248 00:13:22,300 --> 00:13:26,000 trying to reduce Reliance on passwords sweetie three, things 249 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,500 the body we can say technical standards. 250 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Secondly we are nurturing a kind of a vibrant B2B ecosystem of 251 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,300 products and services that our final certified. 252 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,400 So support the photos Vacations, such that any company seeking to 253 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,800 deploy can license from a variety of vendors if they 254 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,400 decide to license the last but not least, it was focused a lot 255 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,200 and more and more on facilitating adoption. 256 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,000 So that may mean giving best practice guidance that might 257 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,000 mean, you know, implementation guidelines, and we're doing more 258 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,400 and more work right usability that also includes things like 259 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,500 authenticate. All right, so really bringing 260 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:08,600 the community together to elevate the overall awareness 261 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,400 and knowledge of Of what Fido is where it's going and how to 262 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,800 successfully Implement fight authentication. 263 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,700 Take, it's just so cool with. I've had an opportunity to talk 264 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:22,500 to a few of the speakers over the last few days because just 265 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:26,800 previewing during the conference that didn't hit Center podcasts 266 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,100 going to have guests on who are speaks at the conference. 267 00:14:31,100 --> 00:14:33,500 And so I've gotten to speak to a lot of those people, and it's 268 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:37,800 like this is square on identity and access management. 269 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,900 These are people who are Doing it in the real world but I'm 270 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:45,300 getting super familiar with the agenda. 271 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,900 I mean there are so many more people had love to have on the 272 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:50,900 show but you know, we can't get to everybody. 273 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:56,300 But I noticed a few major themes that are kind of baked into the 274 00:14:56,300 --> 00:14:58,600 agenda. And the first thing is around 275 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,000 pesky's and it's such a Hot Topic right now. 276 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,000 Why don't we just start off with the very basic, you know, what 277 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,100 is a passkey? Yeah, yeah. 278 00:15:08,100 --> 00:15:11,200 So past you First off, probably in the headline activity for 279 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,800 Fido lines and 2022. So, backing up, backing may be 280 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,300 used to join announcement between Fighting Alliance Apple. 281 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:23,200 Google Microsoft, where the three platform companies 282 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:28,800 submitted see, you support a final implementation that allows 283 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:33,600 the private key to be securely synced on operating system 284 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,900 cloud. So, whereas historically, you 285 00:15:36,908 --> 00:15:39,300 know, the private Keys always been bound to a device which is 286 00:15:39,300 --> 00:15:42,100 really good for us to curity profile standpoint. 287 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:45,800 But we've found is limiting deployment from a usability 288 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,000 standpoint, for when I'll come what's a long tail of the super 289 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,900 applications in particular? So if you think about it, when 290 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:56,100 the private key can't leave, the device, that means in every user 291 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:58,300 needs to enroll every device for every service. 292 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:03,700 So, if I go to site eBay on my math book and enrolled for, you 293 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:06,000 know, Sign into my account. With a password, it gives you 294 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,000 the option to then use Touch ID every time thereafter. 295 00:16:09,500 --> 00:16:12,300 I can then use on that device but then when I walk up to my 296 00:16:12,300 --> 00:16:16,300 iPad or iPhone or rekt PC or my Android phone, each time I need 297 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:18,800 to roll that device. So each time, I need to enter a 298 00:16:18,808 --> 00:16:22,600 password and then I could have my final key pair establish and 299 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,500 use you to my local on device. Authentication biometric group 300 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:30,600 it. That doesn't scale quite well 301 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,000 for consumers, alright? And so by allowing this key to 302 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,400 be securely, synced it really opens up the door to provide, 303 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,200 well, call it a password manager life experience, but with Fido 304 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,000 key pairs, instead of passwords. And I think if your sewers 305 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,100 who've adopted password managers, whether they know 306 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:50,300 they're doing it or not. All right. 307 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:53,100 So, whether your license savoring 1password, Ashley Nora 308 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:57,300 just using Grassroots warm till now, they come to expect that 309 00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:59,700 experience for every time I go. To a site either have the 310 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:01,500 password stored in there. I don't need to remember it. 311 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,400 And so why should fight o be any different? 312 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,200 If anything should be much smoother, it should be better 313 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,599 user experience. So, we think that what we talked 314 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,200 about when we announced know this Pass Key support back in, 315 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,099 May will be exactly that two huge number of consumer 316 00:17:16,099 --> 00:17:19,599 applications. Now are literal definition, the 317 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,800 past, he's actually expanded so we'll be talking about this a 318 00:17:22,808 --> 00:17:27,200 lot this week at authenticate but to finalize past you 319 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,800 basically means any sort of Pastor list fi to enable 320 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,900 authentication. All right, so I'm so in the, you 321 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:36,500 know that Most people want to talk about it or thinking about 322 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:40,400 that the sink scenario that could also include pre-existing 323 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,900 support for pass through this authentication. 324 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:46,400 Using say, if I do security key, all right, or even like that a 325 00:17:46,408 --> 00:17:49,700 native app, where anytime you're using a final protocol to pass 326 00:17:49,700 --> 00:17:52,100 through the side and we will call a passkey. 327 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,900 And what's interesting about that is, you know, one challenge 328 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:59,600 we've had frankly, as an organization, is that there's no 329 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,900 consumer term for Fido. Rider platform on syndicator, 330 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,900 God forbid or anything like that. 331 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:09,100 So you know, I think there's really been a gap in the market 332 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:10,700 when you're talking about how to do this. 333 00:18:11,300 --> 00:18:14,300 And so by, you know, collectively agreeing to use a 334 00:18:14,308 --> 00:18:18,000 term pesky 4:04, the sign in then having the corresponding 335 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,200 logo program, that's being supported by Fido Alliance. 336 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,600 But most importantly also by Apple, Google and Microsoft. 337 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:26,300 And I think it's going to really accelerate industry wide 338 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:29,500 adoption of Fido based past real assignments. 339 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,700 So I'm I'm assuming when you, when you went over those 340 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:38,300 different ecosystems, the pass key is is bound within the 341 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:41,100 ecosystem, right? It's not cross ecosystem. 342 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,400 You know, you wouldn't flow that private key from Apple to Google 343 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,000 or things like that. I'm assuming that's the case. 344 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,200 I'll select the key is synced locally, is it synced on OS 345 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,800 Cloud? But you can actually go across 346 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,300 the biases. All right, so go back to my 347 00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:59,700 scenario where I started with, like, we use eBay this using 348 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:03,000 that, as an example, by the way. So there, The circulating this 349 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:06,700 but the kind of our poster child for invited us to have done so 350 00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:10,500 much to deploy. Without that back is the say I'm 351 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:14,000 with Sam on and I started my Apple ecosystem and then I go to 352 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:17,300 my PC. What I can do then, is you type 353 00:19:17,300 --> 00:19:20,600 in my username and then that eBay or that service, provider 354 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,800 can say, oh, hey, look, you and your, I see you have a past. 355 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,200 You do you want to use your passkey which case I could say? 356 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Yes. And then they prevent at present 357 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,700 Bluetooth option for local device in cross-device, sign it 358 00:19:31,100 --> 00:19:34,000 or I could use same My phone just shoot the QR code on that 359 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,200 screen which will then allow for an intelligent Bluetooth pairing 360 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,900 to happen between my device are two devices and then I'd 361 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:45,000 basically be using that pass key to sign in on my PC at that 362 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,700 point, depending on the service, they may give me the option then 363 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:53,300 to install that pasty on my PC. So that next time I come on TC, 364 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:57,000 I just use the on device siding on the PC rather than having 365 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,500 your back to my phone to sign it. 366 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,000 So in that sense you can actually absolutely we've 367 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,200 contemplated how to bootstrap, essentially between cloudy 368 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,800 versus I think we can directly between us it. 369 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,700 I think we just touched on. There is kind of the second 370 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:15,100 theme that I noticed which is around usability. 371 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:19,400 Is this all about making people's lives easier who are 372 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,300 dealing with technology. Now, the first thing I think 373 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:25,800 what drives usability is ubiquity. 374 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,000 So when you see something done over and over, and that's why 375 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,600 something, or one of the reasons why a SMS one-time passwords has 376 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,300 become so popular and so easy to use that even if You're not an 377 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:41,200 IT person you can figure it out because it's done everywhere. 378 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,800 I'm not saying that's right, but it does have. 379 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,400 Its ubiquity has its advantages but usability being that that 380 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,900 second theme kind of what, what can people expect out of that? 381 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:55,700 Yeah, I think you're spot on Jim. 382 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,500 So when we talk more and more about usability, in fact, I say 383 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:03,600 and it's true. I pretty much every conversation 384 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,700 I have these days about final Authentication Begins and ends 385 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:10,900 with usability. So note to self and finish this 386 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:12,500 conversation, talking about usability. 387 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:15,700 But if Geralyn talk to companies who are seeking to deploy that, 388 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:19,700 you know, about Saito, I think ubiquitous really important, 389 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,600 right? You think about like Fidos goal 390 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:24,300 but we're trying to do is it's very ambitious, if not 391 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:27,500 audacious. Right replacing dependence on 392 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,100 passwords. How do you do that? 393 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,700 And the moment to think about is what are the advantages that 394 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:37,300 pass for its hole or password plus ssup as you mentioned, the 395 00:21:37,300 --> 00:21:39,500 number one advantage they have is ubiquity. 396 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,800 And then incumbents, right there known commodity and you can 397 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,000 pretty much do them anywhere. All right, so some have taken on 398 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,900 the ubiquity challenged by getting 50 basically sedimented 399 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:54,500 in every operating system, every device, every browser on the 400 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:58,300 planet, all right, through the work we do is w3c, I thought 401 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:02,000 then and then the Implement a platform providers we have in 402 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,300 the alliance we've hit that point of ubiquity or hitting it. 403 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:08,000 We're getting closer to it beyond that you know. 404 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,200 I think we look at usability a couple of ways you know I see 405 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,500 three key things. At first, it was kind of this 406 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,600 tied to the first point of a bit tiny victory in the sense that 407 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,100 there's kind of a general user education and experience curve 408 00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:25,700 that needs to happen. So while using not using 409 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,800 passwords is easier than using passwords, it is a change and as 410 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,000 I get older, I get more diverse a change and a lot of people are 411 00:22:32,008 --> 00:22:35,900 averse to change your accustomed to looking for that user name. 412 00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:39,500 Password dialog box, we go to a website and if that goes away, 413 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 well, what do I do? And how does that make you feel? 414 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,100 If I bank or something, I've been using for years. 415 00:22:44,900 --> 00:22:46,400 All right, so we need to know that NASA. 416 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,200 Gradual thing that's not going to happen overnight. 417 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,400 Even when the technology is there, we need to have best 418 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,700 practices on how to migrate consumers from LogMeIn in the 419 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:59,400 ways they know to the way that is is new to them. 420 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,300 So I think that's one part of it is come that just general 421 00:23:03,300 --> 00:23:06,800 learned experience messaging and terminology, right? 422 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,100 We've done a lot of testing on that front as well. 423 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,900 How do you explain this to people and what are their 424 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:13,300 concerns? And one thing we learned for 425 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:16,200 example, that is that letting people know they have a password 426 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,500 list option. Is better than making them feel 427 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:20,800 like they're taking something away. 428 00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,000 That's interesting to so messaging and and having a 429 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,800 common term for a Fido authentication process, which is 430 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,300 what we're going to call passkey will help immensely that regard. 431 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,700 Second kind of usability thing is actually the usability excels 432 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,000 at the ux. Right? 433 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,900 So yes while when Watson supported everywhere no see it's 434 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:43,300 you know, implemented on a lot of sites but there still are 435 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:49,100 some Kind of awkward steps sometimes in the user Journey 436 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,000 when it comes to say OS, prompts your browser, promissory 437 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,300 consistencies there. So tying back to the platform it 438 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:01,000 with commitment to pass key. We think that tighter 439 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,300 integration with the platforms will help immensely. 440 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,100 Alright, so as these passive Pass Key Concepts being woven 441 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:11,200 into the very fabric of things like iOS and that was Ventura 442 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,700 and chrome and windows, you'll see much more Natural and 443 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:19,600 intuitive flow for consumers as they as they start. 444 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,800 Using was passed for those technology and the last things 445 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,100 we talked about before, like the need to read roll. 446 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:28,200 Every device for every service is just counterintuitive. 447 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:32,200 It's a bad user experience. It's also a security risk as 448 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,400 well as it's making. The service provider is 449 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:39,000 basically maintain a regular available, password for 450 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,000 re-enrollment of each device, 2013 that I wanted to talk about 451 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,700 the conference I think is The most important which is kind of 452 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:51,000 the case studies is the folks in the real world who are doing 453 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:54,200 Fido, they're killing the password Edge. 454 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,500 I think what you guys are doing with the phyto alliance, like 455 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,200 it's just so important it, you know, where's place will be in 456 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,900 history? I don't know, but I mean we've 457 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:06,800 been talking about killing the password for, you know, 458 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,600 definitely more than a decade. I I think there will be a world 459 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,100 some day where kids don't know what a day. 460 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,100 Or what a busy signal looks like or sounds like and they won't 461 00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:22,500 know what a password is and that's just going to happen but 462 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:26,800 the way it's going to happen is by getting to ubiquity. 463 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,400 It's going to be by chipping away at those. 464 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:34,900 And the the conference agenda has a lot of the case studies as 465 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,900 people in the real world who are getting rid of passwords going 466 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:43,100 with Biometrics, going with possession based authentication, 467 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,700 we're going to have A few of those folks on the on the 468 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,700 podcast we're going to be able to pull them out next week and 469 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,400 you know, get an hour of their time but you know what do you 470 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,300 have to say about those case studies? 471 00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:59,400 I mean, I think that it seems like it was important enough 472 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,700 theme that they're kind of strewn throughout the agenda. 473 00:26:03,700 --> 00:26:06,200 Yeah. Now let's assume great Point. 474 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,800 Jim multiple I think case that is the most important thing that 475 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,800 vitalize can provides the community at large to help 476 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,300 everyone advanced. Pastor was Journeys and getting 477 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:18,600 the pass for listed is a journey. 478 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Not a Sprint for the reasons. We just talked about. 479 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:24,100 We're just trying to accelerate that journey and we have some 480 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:27,400 great case studies coming up at authenticate. 481 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,000 It really too many to list but you know Salesforce will talk 482 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,100 about their beauty implementation. 483 00:26:33,500 --> 00:26:36,100 Citibank haven't seen this case study yet, talking about rolling 484 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:39,100 out, faster with education and 200 million users. 485 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:43,600 That came in, that was submitted to us and blown away when I saw 486 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,300 that message. Mission come through cloudflare 487 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,700 famously and fought off said the octopus at by using final 488 00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:53,500 security keys. I'll talk about that targets 489 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,900 talked about their perspectives on how they're deploying Fido 490 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,700 and many many more. So you know we strove to have 491 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,800 case studies reflecting each use case. 492 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,000 Inside the Enterprise consumers, you this one bedded type work. 493 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,600 So I think we'll have all those and more. 494 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,900 After conference, we also have a lot of on-demand content to I 495 00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,100 should I should note that this is this is a hybrid event. 496 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,900 So we're expecting around for an answer to people on site that 497 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:24,500 the same remote. We have some custom content for 498 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:26,900 remote attendees. Including some case studies from 499 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,400 BBVA, Yahoo Japan, and others Seward talking about how they've 500 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,100 deployed into. So in general any content we're 501 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:38,500 sharing at authenticate, will eventually be made available to 502 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:42,900 the community at Large? Because case studies are the key 503 00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,800 to I think accelerating deployments for other other 504 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,300 parties. Yeah I think the case studies 505 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,800 are all a really good opportunity to ask questions 506 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,500 too. I remember last year you know as 507 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:56,300 people are coming off the stage, kind of talking about their 508 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,800 things. There was like a rush of people, 509 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,800 maybe not a rush about the right word, but several people, right, 510 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,500 who kind of came up and we were asking questions and wanted to 511 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:07,300 sort of pick the pick the brain of the person talking about what 512 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:08,900 they were working on. I think this is another example 513 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,400 of that. He also hit something that I 514 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,900 want to ask earlier is I know it's hybrid right virtual an 515 00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,900 on-site and I think it's basically just answer. 516 00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:21,200 My question is, is there any difference between the attendee 517 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,000 types? And it sounds like there is some 518 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,500 extra things going on for the the virtual attendees. 519 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,600 They hear that from our attendees also have access to 520 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,100 the virtual platforms. It's all, it's all integrated. 521 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,000 It's actually, I'm quite impressed with the platform and 522 00:28:34,008 --> 00:28:36,200 we're happy to have work last year and knock on wood. 523 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:40,000 The word seamlessly this year as well, but we have, maybe, You 524 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,100 know, 20 different pre-recorded episodes attraction, your 23 525 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,600 recorded sessions, which should be available. 526 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,700 Now, to anyone who has the is registered to attend, an 527 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:56,400 addition to the, the on-site sessions, which we will record a 528 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,100 stream live format attendees and makes available on demand as 529 00:29:00,100 --> 00:29:02,600 soon as we did process them for remote, the attendees as well. 530 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:04,500 Yeah, I think that's pretty cool. 531 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:07,400 The one thing I'm kind of excited about that. 532 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,600 I wasn't able to make last year and hopefully I'll be able to 533 00:29:09,608 --> 00:29:13,400 make This year was the event at the Museum of pop culture, or Mo 534 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600 pop. What can, what can I expect as a 535 00:29:15,608 --> 00:29:17,400 newbie? Never having never been there 536 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:23,200 before so we'll valves awesome. It's busy hold. 537 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,800 If anyone doesn't know the history on this which when a 538 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,600 people probably don't get Paul Allen that's to founded 539 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,400 Microsoft. Huge philanthropist, and 540 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,700 Seattle. Also, huge music, fan, and 541 00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:39,400 Seattle has a direction. He's history, is everyone should 542 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,700 know. He found this Museum as a kind 543 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:44,800 of homage to Jimi. Hendrix is initially called the 544 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,100 Jimi Hendrix experience Museum, really cool-looking 545 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:51,300 architecture, cool building and then eventually turned into this 546 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,800 Museum and pop culture which looks at Pop Culture. 547 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,600 So there's a lot of stuff you know, tied to music primarily. 548 00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:00,700 So the Seattle music scene is very well documented. 549 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:05,000 There there's really neat Devon exhibits, Pearl Jam exhibit. 550 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:09,900 This room of all these famous guitars, there's an exhibits, an 551 00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:14,700 exhibit with looking at hip-hop, but also have pop culture stuff. 552 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:17,900 And this year, we've opened up more examples than we had last 553 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,200 year. They have really creepy kind of 554 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,000 like horn section. Like, horror movies section that 555 00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,700 you can go to at your own risk. There's another exhibit I think 556 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:31,900 on the set designer and the costume designer, who do you 557 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,800 like, Black panther all this stuff so it's really it's a neat 558 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,600 place to spend a couple hours after, authenticate water around 559 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,400 at your own Leisure, we'll have music playing while lots of food 560 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,600 and drink. It's going to be, it's a really 561 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,900 fun fun, experiencing a great place to go. 562 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,900 That sounds really cool and I'm thinking of a nice horror 563 00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:53,500 segment of like the horror of passwords or something like 564 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:54,400 that. Right. 565 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,200 Esther the identity nerd in me now he can't, I come back. 566 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,400 So I kick myself for not somehow thinking of that sooner. 567 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,600 So yeah, that's it. So fun time, so it's a great way 568 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,700 to wrap up to it. So it's also worth noting that 569 00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:08,900 authenticated is a three-day conference for the public. 570 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,400 But it's also Fidos North, imagine member meeting. 571 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,500 All right, so as a body we meet three times a year once in the 572 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:17,600 u.s. once in Europe, Western Asia. 573 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,900 So we overlap the US conference with authenticate so was the old 574 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:26,400 base could basically be like the closing party for authenticating 575 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,500 attendees. And the welcome reception for 576 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,100 people only attending the member meeting which takes place 577 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,200 Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, It sounds pretty cool. 578 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,300 I'm excited to check it out. So I don't know if we want to 579 00:31:37,308 --> 00:31:40,300 break any news here. But do we do we know where 580 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,400 authenticate is going to be next year? 581 00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:44,700 For people complain? Yeah. 582 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000 So this will be breaking news. So first of all, this is your 583 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,700 last chance to get the mo pop with Fido Alliance, at least 584 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,100 because 2023. We will be in lovely San Diego. 585 00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:57,500 California in Carlsbad specific place. 586 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:01,500 We have a great venue there. A beautiful resort, we're going 587 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,900 to have Basically run of the property. 588 00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:06,700 I were expecting the conference we continue to grow. 589 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:08,900 We had to turn away exhibitors this year. 590 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600 As I mentioned, we're having to turn away attendees this year. 591 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:19,700 So we think this has legs to grow by another 50% in 2023 and 592 00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,100 will this we're not even to be a giant copper. 593 00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:26,000 So we want to find the right size, so that's going to benefit 594 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400 the community at large, but yet next year, I think that the 595 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,100 space we have in San Diego will be really well suited for it. 596 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,000 Bigger more expanded and mortgage and Conference. 597 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:37,500 That's very cool. I'm a fan of San Diego 598 00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,100 especially at the weather. So definitely has my vote. 599 00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:41,200 So I'm looking forward to attending. 600 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,500 So, yeah, I guess some exclusive news. 601 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:46,100 They're right for people who are listening to the early, the 602 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:49,100 Early lessons, early listeners of the podcast just for your 603 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,900 podcast listeners. You can get an early jump on 604 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:55,800 your travel plans before everyone who's in Seattle at the 605 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,600 event right book. That hotel early and often 606 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,000 that's usually why the things that goes first All right, so 607 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,200 we'll start to wrap things up here. 608 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,300 Is there anything else that you want to bring up around the 609 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:07,500 conference? I know this kind of people 610 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:09,800 listening to this and probably after the fact it's sort of the 611 00:33:09,808 --> 00:33:12,700 first day and maybe they're just getting on a flight or just 612 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,600 getting off a flight or whatever it may be, but anything else 613 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,200 wanna bring up? No, I'm not. 614 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,900 We're really looking forward to it. 615 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,100 I'm going to open the conference. 616 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,100 It's kind of weird some talking to real time because people 617 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:26,300 under 21 Skillet broadcast but we swell two things that I 618 00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:29,400 learned first of all that a pre-conference workshops this 619 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,500 year, right? So as we're maturing want to add 620 00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:34,400 more value to And he's, so if people want to come early on 621 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,600 Monday, we have two tracks. One is a sponsor by Amazon. 622 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,000 So, very all with AWS identity, which is super important. 623 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,100 So I think about how do we scale Fido how to scale fight 624 00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,700 authentication. So you have it readily available 625 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:52,200 cloud service that you can influence, and they virtual 626 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,000 private cloud or what's the rest of your AWS infrastructure is 627 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,900 incredibly important and very interesting. 628 00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,600 So Amazon will be talking all about AWS identity. 629 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,900 Separately for those people who are newer to fight it aligns 630 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,400 itself, we have a whole pre-conference dedicated to 631 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,500 Fighting Alliance, right. So we're not going to be taking 632 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:14,300 up session time, talking about the latest updates and are 633 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,300 working groups are different bodies for very important. 634 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,199 So, Monday morning is the time to learn about that and also how 635 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,300 one may wish to get engaged with photos of member, but beyond 636 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:29,400 that, you know, my opening session, I will have a guest or 637 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,800 two on stage. During their intent to support. 638 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,600 Pastor listeners, with passkey mucking disclose their names now 639 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:41,600 because there's still some things in progress but I think 640 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,300 there are two very big names. You have been with phyto pretty 641 00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:49,400 much just the beginning and will now be, you know, helping us 642 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,800 move on to the next Frontier as well. 643 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,400 That's very cool. I'm looking forward to that and 644 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,400 and you mentioned those pre kind of conference things I think Jim 645 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,900 and I are actually both looking at the AWS Workshop is something 646 00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,000 that we're both looking at attending. 647 00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:06,100 Kind of getting smarter on, so I am thankful for that education. 648 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:10,400 Good, give you good. All right, let's let's end 649 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,500 things on a lighter note here. I wanted to keep it on the 650 00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:18,800 Seattle tip for for the kids and here's what we're going to go 651 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,500 with. So I'm going to list off a few 652 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,500 famous Seattle, music bands, and you one of these bands has to 653 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:30,300 go. Like, they are not invited to 654 00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:34,100 your party, your wedding. The remote desert island that 655 00:35:34,100 --> 00:35:36,100 you're going to spend the rest of your life on. 656 00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:40,700 So you have to drop one and the bands are Nirvana. 657 00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:45,700 Pearl Jam, Soundgarden Alice in Chains and Foo Fighters. 658 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,500 One of those has to go the other four can stay Andrew, what are 659 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:52,000 you going to go with? Or who are you not going to go 660 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,400 with is probably the better way to ask it. 661 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,300 Well, look, I grew up in Seattle, so I'm a Seattle. 662 00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:58,600 Native under his. I love this tablet offers 663 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,000 Sarah's, I get to go and I'm not very proud of Seattle's. 664 00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:03,400 City. And I haven't lived there for 665 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,400 30. Something years was still, I 666 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,700 love memories there and and part of growing up in Seattle, in 667 00:36:08,707 --> 00:36:10,900 fact, like Mike McCready went to high school, right? 668 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:13,600 And so I was there in the 90s and all this stuff was emerging. 669 00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,000 I'm a Seattle, has a very rich music. 670 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,900 See, beyond the Grunge music, there's, you know, Jimi Hendrix 671 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:22,000 and Quincy Jones and all sorts of good music. 672 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,800 So to answer your question, I would say unequivocally its 673 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:33,400 heart I'm cheating, heart wasn't on that list but okay, like I 674 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,900 hear it on any sort of classic rock station, like I have like 675 00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,000 this gag reflex and must change the station right away. 676 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 So all right, I can respect that. 677 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,000 I feel the same way about Oasis going to play your game. 678 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,200 Fairly I was Alice in Chains. I also do, that's rough. 679 00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:53,500 Yeah, it's Alice in Chains and Chris, Cornell's amazing, 680 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,600 obviously Fighters and Pearl Jam to seems to me, literally. 681 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,100 So I'd have to go to Alice in Chains and that's a very tough 682 00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:01,500 decision. So I'm going to stick with her 683 00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:04,800 sorry. Mr. Wilson Jim. 684 00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:07,100 How are you going to drop from the list of Nirvana? 685 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,400 Pearl Jam. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, 686 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,900 Foo Fighters and I guess heart will add a heart to the list. 687 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:13,700 Well, yeah. I mean, if you're going to make 688 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:17,100 it easy for me right now is this is a tough one, Jeff. 689 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,600 And I've got so many side stories that go with this. 690 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,100 I mean, Nirvana pretty much changed my life right, it hit 691 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,700 right as a freshman in college, which is Is like the best time 692 00:37:28,700 --> 00:37:33,400 of your life. It was for me anyway, so they're 693 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,200 definitely staying on the list. Pearl Jam was like right there 694 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,900 as well. I was never a huge Soundgarden 695 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:44,900 fan but there are a lot of their songs that I like, I'll soon 696 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:47,800 change those a huge Alice in Chains fan, but one of my size 697 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,700 stories was, I love them so much and I I brought dirt CD it was 698 00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:57,200 on CD home. When I went home for, you know, 699 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:01,500 Break and I play for my dad. And one of the songs is called 700 00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:04,800 Junk head raised. Like, where's my drug of choice? 701 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,000 My dad's, like, what is this crap? 702 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,800 And I was like, oh yeah, I guess like, this isn't the kind of 703 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,700 music. My dad wants me listening to, 704 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,300 but I would have to keep Alice in Chains on the list and Foo 705 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,100 Fighters shows like so many awesome songs. 706 00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:23,100 So if I had to pick one other than heart, it's going to be 707 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:25,500 Soundgarden. Okay? 708 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:29,900 I can respect that. I guess of the list for me, I 709 00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:35,900 hate to say it, but Pearl Jam, I like Pearl Jam, but I like the 710 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:40,200 other bands better. I don't know what it is, but for 711 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,600 whatever reason, I just can't get behind some of the more 712 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,900 recent Pearl Jam stuff that's been out there. 713 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:50,100 You know if you talked about like you know versus and 10 yes 714 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,700 but those are really the only two albums that really kind of 715 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:54,900 did anything for me. What version 10? 716 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,000 Yeah I mean I don't want to take a project. 717 00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,700 Think of 10, I think Eddie vedder's voice. 718 00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:03,200 I mean, they've got the guys, just unbelievable. 719 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:05,000 Oh yeah. Totally talented. 720 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,800 And and actually there's one song that I actually like out of 721 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,100 all those, and that's been the black circle, it's not even on 722 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:12,700 the first. It's not even on either this to 723 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,100 balance on Vitalogy. I think it is. 724 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:21,300 Yeah, well, you know, any better chamber of San Diego, and so 725 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,800 there's a little rivalry between sad set, Seattle San Diego, but 726 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,700 I do better. So now, you know, No, there will 727 00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,600 be rather ear and authenticate. Also, that's going to be too as 728 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,300 we move to San Diego next year, right? 729 00:39:34,300 --> 00:39:35,900 Yeah, exactly. Where we have like a 730 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,700 neighborhood who really owns the Fido Alliance conference. 731 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,700 It's like, they're probably his heart, but if I do, like, if we, 732 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,900 if we hear heart playing at the authenticate conference, we know 733 00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:48,700 Andrew didn't pick that music selection. 734 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,000 You'll know the answer got fired. 735 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600 If that happens. Yeah, dinner gonna logged in. 736 00:39:52,607 --> 00:39:53,200 We're gonna love. No. 737 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,400 Pop, I can't wait to see you there and it's Nirvana exhibits 738 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,400 really, really neat and the Pearl Jam. 739 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,900 Groom often throw Jaffa man. Locked the door. 740 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:06,800 It's really cool also. Okay, I can respect the talent. 741 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,600 Yeah, that's tough choice, talk tough question and I cheated, 742 00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:10,900 but that's very tough question. Jeff. 743 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,800 You did, you find a way around the rules? 744 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,500 All right, let's go ahead and wrap things up for this week. 745 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:16,800 Let people get on with the conference. 746 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,400 Hope they enjoy it. Like, like Jim, and I think 747 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,100 we've all kind of mentioned will be there. 748 00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:25,000 So, feel free to come up and say hi, trivia, fun fact, Andrew, 749 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,800 last year, at a fennec. Eight was the first time I ever 750 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,300 had a Sister come up to me and say listen. 751 00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:33,300 So it was all so awkward for me. So I apologize to that listener 752 00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,300 for payment for the interaction. I've got better at it. 753 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,800 This podcast is absolutely awesome and you're following is 754 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,700 growing and I give you guys a lot of credit and, you know, I 755 00:40:41,707 --> 00:40:45,800 appreciate this opportunity but it's great to see the podcast 756 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,300 grow mature and, and your band your base grow as well. 757 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,100 And it's well deserved. Yeah, and we appreciate the 758 00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,500 support you get us, you know, especially setting aside. 759 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,500 So you don't little spot for us to kind of do. 760 00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,600 Our thing is very cool and helping us get So the feeling is 761 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,600 it's all on this side of the table and some bullshit. 762 00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:06,200 Well, would you say you do? Here we make hit records and put 763 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,100 on Golden podcast pants. That's what we do. 764 00:41:09,300 --> 00:41:11,900 All right, so we're going to go ahead and leave it for this 765 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:13,700 week. Hope everyone is enjoying the 766 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:15,300 conference will. Hopefully, we'll see people at 767 00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,200 the conference and, and down the road as well. 768 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,300 You can check us out on the web. We're at identity, if the 769 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:26,300 center.com, or on Twitter at IDC podcast, you've got a fennec 8 770 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,600 Khan. Dot-com is the website for the 771 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,500 authentic, a conference itself. Then you've got fight Alliance 772 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:36,900 F, Ido Alliance dot-org to learn more about all the fine work, 773 00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:40,900 that Andrew and crew are doing to get rid of the password and 774 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,100 maybe someday be able to enter something into the mo pop 775 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:45,700 around. The horror of passwords is some 776 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:50,000 sort of weird identity, nerd exhibit or something like that. 777 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,100 So we'll go ahead and leave it that. 778 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,200 Thanks everyone for listening and we'll talk with everyone in 779 00:41:55,207 --> 00:42:00,400 the next one. Thanks for listening to the 780 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,300 identity at the center podcast. If you like what you heard, 781 00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:06,600 don't forget to subscribe and visit us on the web and identity 782 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,400 at the center.com.