1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,440 This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with 2 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:17,960 IAM, this is the go to podcast now your hosts Jim McDonald and 3 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,120 Jeff Stedman. Welcome to the Identity at the 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,160 Center podcast. I'm Jeff and that's Jim. 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff, how are you? 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,120 Oh, not so bad yourself. Good. 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,200 But I think it's, I think we should be honest with our 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,560 listeners, right? Never. 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:35,640 No. Yes, of course. 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,840 This episode was not planned. Nope. 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,440 We came to the realization today that we never closed out for the 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,600 year on a previous podcast, so we had to do one more episode, 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,000 you know, with our predictions for next year and all that good 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,280 stuff. Yeah. 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,640 So it's Monday, December 11th. Or like, wait, like we recorded 16 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,240 a couple of episodes and like, we never closed it out. 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,520 It's like, we should probably do something. 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,600 You just want to do it right now? 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Yeah. OK. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,800 That's how this episode came together. 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,320 We literally just put this together, like, you know, the 22 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:10,000 last 10 minutes. And yeah, here we are recording. 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Yeah, well, we're we're busy fellows too. 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,840 So we looked at our calendar over the next week and was like, 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,080 yeah, we can't do it anytime, but right now. 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,280 So do you want to do it now? The show must go on. 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,200 Yeah, let's do it. We'll do it live. 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:25,800 Yeah. I think we'll probably kind of 29 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,320 start with a, I guess, recap of the year, the year in summary, 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,160 Did you know we put out 59 episodes this year? 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,280 That's more than 1A. Week. 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,360 It's mind boggling, yeah. It is crazy. 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,680 And the way we were able to accomplish that primarily was 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,080 because of the conferences and all the great guests who joined 35 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,000 us throughout the year. And I think the other thing is 36 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,360 the motivating factor of people letting us know that they 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,280 listen, they enjoy the show. They really liked hearing from 38 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,840 this guest or that guest. And you know, I that's what 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,200 that's what motivates us. Yeah. 40 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,360 That and the the love of my own voice. 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,280 I'm just kidding. I hate my voice. 42 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,720 No, it's very it is very, very nice to get compliments and 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,440 stuff like that. When people say oh hey listen 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:13,600 and blah blah blah, that's pretty cool. 45 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:17,960 Had my first, you know, in the real life consulting someone 46 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,680 recognize my voice of like on the podcast and I was like, oh, 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,040 that's kind of cool. I definitely look good in front 48 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,440 of my bosses, which was super nice. 49 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Yeah, well, it's also weird that, like, somebody recognizes 50 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,560 your voice. Like usually people are like, 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,120 oh, I remember everybody's face, but never remember everybody's 52 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,280 name. But to recognize somebody by 53 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,480 their voice, that's pretty. Cool. 54 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Yeah, it's pretty neat. It is what it is. 55 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,440 We doubled our listeners again. This marks the, I guess, 4th, 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,240 3rd or 4th year that we've kind of done this year end recap. 57 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,880 We started this thing 4 1/2 years ago. 58 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,760 We doubled yet again and all with 0 advertising budget. 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,360 We don't advertise, it's all word of mouth. 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,640 So thank you very much to everyone who shares the show, 61 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,160 comments, subscribes, right, All that good stuff. 62 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,720 Yeah, and we're we're now on YouTube too. 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,440 So and we are caught up too. Yeah, the real point of YouTube 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,760 is that we know that so many people use YouTube for getting 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,680 their podcasts and it's really like you know, the the one stop 66 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,560 shop for a lot of people. So we have to be there. 67 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,680 But I would say even if you're not following us on YouTube, I 68 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,120 think we've we've done a really good job in terms of making our 69 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,600 presence known. So you can find the show in your 70 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,880 podcast app, but if you go into YouTube, you also type out the 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,920 full identity at the center before the show pops up. 72 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,440 So if folks get a chance to go out there and subscribe and like 73 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,080 some videos, that would be appreciated. 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,000 Yeah, just another Ave. for people to listen. 75 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,040 We want to be where you guys want to listen. 76 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,400 So hopefully that makes sense. We're, I feel like we've got the 77 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,120 podcast audio side, if it worked out. 78 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:56,920 Most people are listening on Apple. 79 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,080 I mean just from a metric standpoint, you know over half 80 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,840 our audience is on Apple with Spotify being a very distant 81 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,880 second and a whole bunch of everything else. 82 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,040 But YouTube's growing and I'm a I'm a YouTube premium person, 83 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,440 like based on YouTube running all day. 84 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,960 So I figured I'm like. This close to getting YouTube 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Premium. I'm I love YouTube and I'm so 86 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,200 sick of the ads they run because I don't know if regular TV does 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,560 this as much or not, but the YouTube you get you getting the 88 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,920 same advertisements over and over and over. 89 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,240 I see that a lot on Hulu. The same commercial over and 90 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,480 over again drives. Me crazy. 91 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,840 But I mean, you can't be premium on on every platform, yeah. 92 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,480 Well, I mean, you could, but then you're back into the old 93 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,400 days, right? Where like why do I have cable 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,840 subscription? Like I don't want the channels I 95 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,760 want. Yeah, yeah, pretty much, yeah. 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,880 But it's it was a great year. I think getting to the 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,600 conferences we were talking about and being on stage, you 98 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,240 know it authenticate we're on the keynote stage. 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,480 I was nervous as heck being on the keynote stage. 100 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,600 Everybody's like, you know, it's kind of like, you know, like 101 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:10,080 even giving a presentation in front of a small group. 102 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,040 But I think I mentally psyched myself out that there's like 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,640 hundreds of people out there. The good thing was the the 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,280 lights were shining so bright in our face, I really couldn't see 105 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,480 how many people were out there. I blacked out. 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,440 Kind of like that scene from old school where I think it's was it 107 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Will Ferrell? He answers the question right. 108 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,560 And I was like, I got no response. 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,960 I'm like, what just happened, right? 110 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,720 I think it was, you know, at that point it was just not 111 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,160 audible. That was James Carville, who was 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,320 like, I have no response, the mouth of the South. 113 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,880 That was a fun conference. Definitely looking forward to 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:42,920 trying to do something like that. 115 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,800 We have some ideas. We've been working with Adrian. 116 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,160 I've been working with Adrian. I haven't. 117 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,880 I don't think I've shared them with you yet, but I think you'll 118 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 like it. Some ideas on what we might do 119 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,960 for Authenticate next year, So that'd be kind of cool. 120 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,360 We were at Identiverse. We did some live podcasting sort 121 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,280 of in between like the I guess like the Expo hall and like the 122 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,880 the keynote room. But it was fun having people 123 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,600 kind of walk by. I think one of the things that 124 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,800 we heard is feedback was people couldn't hear us, which I 125 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,400 totally get. We haven't figured out how to 126 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,040 like amplify our voices and not ruin the recordings. 127 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760 So but that was kind of neat, having people kind of come 128 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,200 through and having sort of like this rotating set of guests that 129 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,680 you had lined up to kind of come in and sit for 15 minutes and 130 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,360 then someone else would come in and things like that. 131 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,960 That was kind of fun. Yeah, yeah, I know it was very 132 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,640 fun. Yeah, I I think one of the 133 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,560 things that would be really cool would be to be in the Expo hall. 134 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,640 So if you could stop by and just drop in for a chat, my worry is 135 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,120 that it would be just too much background noise. 136 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Be difficult to hear without like speakers and I don't know I 137 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,080 mean I'm. I'm we're gonna try and figure 138 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,720 out a way to do that. We might do something like that 139 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,040 at like Authenticate for example. 140 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,120 That's one of the ideas we've had. 141 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,960 So if you're interested in having more of identity the 142 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,000 center at these conferences, reach out to the conference 143 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,240 organizers let them know. Right. 144 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,920 That helps, helps us. We're generally working with 145 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,920 those kinds of folks anyway. But you know the more people I 146 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,280 think the better kind of helping articulate that. 147 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:10,600 But it is not a it is not an insurmountable problem. 148 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,680 I'm sure we will figure it out at some point we read Gartner. 149 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,720 This was kind of a personal highlight for me was presenting 150 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,440 at Gartner. I know we didn't present right. 151 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,040 We did our sort of on stage interview and kind of like the 152 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,080 podcast style with Henrique and Becky. 153 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,080 I just had such a good time with it and it was kind of a, you 154 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,680 know, one of those bucket was that was like hey present at 155 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,560 Gartner, right. Was kind of one of those things 156 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,040 I never really thought would be on the list, but we got it done. 157 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Yeah, I mean, one of the things that really jumped off for me 158 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,880 was that you were kind of like you were built for that moment, 159 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,760 man. You was like you were in your MC 160 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,440 zone. Well, yeah, I guess behind the 161 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,040 curtains I would go back. Behind it was, I was the healthy 162 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,400 one, and you were the one that was sick as a dog or not feeling 163 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,840 well or something. And so I was like, all right, 164 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,120 well, we'll do it live. We figured it out. 165 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,720 That's right, I forgot. And you had the whitest shoes 166 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,640 ever. I remember that. 167 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,240 Oh yeah, I was. I mean, I was dressed to the 168 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,520 hilt, but I forgot I actually had to have a traveling nurse 169 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,720 come to my room and hook me up to an IV. 170 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,920 And I swear to God, I hadn't. I didn't have any alcohol. 171 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,280 I wasn't hungover. I just ended up with some kind 172 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,200 of, like, flu or COVID or something. 173 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,560 But I was like, there's no way I'm going to lose. 174 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Some COVID on the stage, yeah. I don't know what it was, I 175 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,160 never heard any feedback like but. 176 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,480 You never tested when you did the testing. 177 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,360 No, no, I definitely didn't. Yeah, Don't. 178 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,520 Yeah. So don't do that. 179 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,919 Don't be that guy that. Shows up. 180 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,640 Don't be that guy, No. So conferences were definitely a 181 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,360 highlight. I think a highlight also is 182 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,000 that, you know, we've kind of like started this year, but 183 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,440 really I think it's going to take off next year in terms of 184 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,920 the sponsored episodes. Yeah. 185 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,040 Sponsor. Spotlight. 186 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Sponsor. Spotlight. 187 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,440 So I mean, that gives us an opportunity to, I mean, some of 188 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,080 those episodes, one of the episodes really is already 189 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,560 dropped now, right? Yeah, it came out last week. 190 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,640 If you're listening, obviously this will go out on December 191 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,600 18th. That's planned. 192 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,600 So the first one would have hit was it Wednesday, December 13th, 193 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,120 I think it was, yeah, with Sunri security, which was a lot of 194 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,920 fun. I enjoyed doing it and kind of 195 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,680 collaborating with them and and the idea is that it's this show 196 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:27,200 on Mondays that we typically do our vendor neutral. 197 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,400 This was an idea and an opportunity to get more vendor 198 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,240 and product specific and ask some of those questions and sort 199 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,400 of collaborate with them on sort of you know, ideas for for 200 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,800 topics and stuff like that. So that's sort of the intention 201 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,960 of it. But yeah, maybe we'll see more 202 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,240 of these in the future, but these are in addition to our 203 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,840 normal stuff. So I I call them like bonus 204 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,520 episodes, if you will. Yeah, no. 205 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,960 And I I mean, I honestly don't think they're going to feel like 206 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:56,960 commercials. I think they're going to be 207 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,200 informative. One thing I cannot stand is when 208 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,320 I'm listening to a podcast that I like and it's just like 209 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,760 commercials, you know, like right in the middle when it's 210 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,480 getting to the good part. Like now I'm going to make you 211 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,520 listen to two minutes of commercials about like a new 212 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,360 mattress or something like that. And I just don't like that. 213 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,760 Yeah. So podcasts cost money. 214 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,960 And one of the things that we started again is that sponsor 215 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,080 Spotlight kind of help with some of those costs. 216 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,120 But before anybody thinks this is a cash grab, what we're 217 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,560 actually doing is in the process of setting up a nonprofit 218 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,840 associated with this podcast. So I have an application open 219 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,680 with the IRS. I'm waiting to hear back. 220 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,680 Still, I was kind of hoping to be able to announce it by the 221 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:42,000 end of the year. Maybe I'll be able to announce 222 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,760 it when we come around back from the holiday break. 223 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,960 But yeah, that's the intention is to basically form a nonprofit 224 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,200 that will help keep this channel, this podcast funded, 225 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,080 help defray some of the costs and expenses that we've had over 226 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,480 the years and keep us going to conferences and things like 227 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,200 that. Well, what I'm really hoping to 228 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,160 do is go to a conference in Europe or something we're. 229 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,240 Going to need more sponsor spotlights to get. 230 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,400 That done a lot of them. Yeah, but that's the intention. 231 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,640 So we've gone 4 1/2 years without doing a commercial or 232 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 taking a dime from anybody, with the exception of travel 233 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,880 expenses, which are typically paid by our employers. 234 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,360 So shout out to RSM who has been super supportive of all this And 235 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,840 then we work with conferences from time to time, right, to 236 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,400 kind of promote that and usually for that is we get like a a 237 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,680 conference pass right, to be able to attend, stuff like that. 238 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,000 So hopefully this will help keep us on the right side of that 239 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,920 vendor neutrality and not see this as like a a money making 240 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,600 venture, but that's really the intention. 241 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,400 I'm kind of excited to like hey, you know, we've started a 242 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,320 nonprofit, hopefully we get approved. 243 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,840 If we don't, I'm sure I will complain about it in the new 244 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,200 year and figure out we need to do to reapply. 245 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,120 But that is the intention for this. 246 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Yeah that's pretty awesome and I think it you know it allows to 247 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,160 keep making content keep I mean keep getting the technology that 248 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,520 makes One of the things that I think is I want to point out and 249 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,640 like applaud you for pat you on the back for is like our early 250 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,400 episodes. I mean, we were recording on 251 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,760 like teams and they were they they sound like poop. 252 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,480 I mean, they sounded like a guy in his basement with zero 253 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,280 treatment, like literally hard surfaces everywhere on a 254 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,280 condenser microphone. Yeah, talking into Zoom and on a 255 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,000 single track. And yeah, now here we are with, 256 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,320 you know, I've definitely got a lot of gear. 257 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,680 You're starting to build up the gear. 258 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:36,160 I'm going to get you caught up at some point here. 259 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,280 But yeah, yeah, well, I'm not a gear guy like you, but I don't 260 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,720 also do all the editing like you, so it is important for you 261 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,920 to have it. Yeah, if you've ever been on the 262 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,920 show as a guest and you're listening, you know before we 263 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,400 hit record that I am constantly like checking audios. 264 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,920 Like Nope, you're you're too close to the mic. 265 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,960 Turn down your game. Like, I'm definitely very 266 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,040 particular, but the whole goal is right, to make this sound 267 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,560 better. So, so yeah, that's it's with 268 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:01,640 it's with the love. Yeah. 269 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,200 So I guess most people have tuned into this episode to hear 270 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,800 about identity and access management. 271 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,720 What do you think? Yeah, probably. 272 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,240 I was about the last couple minutes self congratulating 273 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,000 ourselves and talking about sort of the future. 274 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,440 We wanted to make this a relatively quick episode and 275 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,800 kind of tie it out for the end of the year. 276 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,680 Came up with a speed round of questions to ask each other and 277 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,600 kind of interview each other on. I'm going to jump right into it. 278 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,280 The first question we came up with is and mostly you came up 279 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,480 with these is who are your identity heroes? 280 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,320 Jim, you go. Well, I don't want to, you know, 281 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,360 keep saying this, but you know the person, the first person 282 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,800 that came to mind when you asked that question or when we started 283 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,480 talking about that was Vittorio Bertucci. 284 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:57,520 And he just was somebody who exemplified, I think, what many 285 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,440 of us strive for, which was, yeah, the guy was brilliant, 286 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,400 yeah, he was an excellent communicator. 287 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,200 All those things that you'd want to have from professional 288 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,880 persona, but he's a real human being and that's why I think 289 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,200 everyone is like so upset with the loss of him this year. 290 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,960 So hey, being that this is our last episode of the year, I 291 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,680 wanted to bring it up one more time that, you know, he's 292 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,040 definitely probably at the at the top of the of the hill for 293 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,960 me. You got anybody? 294 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,960 No, I think Victoria was a good pick. 295 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,160 I think the word that I always think of when I whenever I 296 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,840 talked with him was just he was so magnanimous, generous with 297 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,160 his time, super gracious, always, you know, had something 298 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,000 to say and opinion and was never mean or condescending or 299 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,720 anything like that. Even if I asked a stupid 300 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,160 question, you know it was just just a solid guy and you know 301 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,480 the industry is is going to miss him sorely. 302 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,680 Yeah, I would. I would do want to honor roll, 303 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,320 mention a few other people. Enrique from Gartner is somebody 304 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,440 that I follow on LinkedIn that we've obviously know him as a 305 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,640 friend now, but I just think he's, you know, shaping opinions 306 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,960 and really influential and it's like he puts out a post like so 307 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,160 many people respond, you know, definitely David Mottie, 308 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,760 definitely Ian Glazer, Cyrus Suchetti, Pam Dingle. 309 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,040 Those are a few people that come to mind that I just admire. 310 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,840 You know what they've what they're doing for the industry 311 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,520 and kind of the influence and impact they have on the 312 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,560 industry. Yeah, I look at a little bit 313 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,800 different way, I think of the people who are willing to put 314 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,760 themselves out there, maybe it's, I guess, pretty close to 315 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,760 what you were saying. I mean, there's a lot of good 316 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,440 identity content creators out there. 317 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,760 I mean, I feel kind of weird saying we're content creators, 318 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,320 but that's what we do. That's what this industry is. 319 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,160 I think of people like Andrew Chanthorphone, who is putting 320 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,840 himself out there. He's done LinkedIn stuff. 321 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,680 He's done YouTube stuff right. It takes guts to put yourself 322 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,840 out there and to keep doing it. So all the memes you mentioned, 323 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,280 plus that. And I really like the way Andy 324 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Hindel approached Identiverse this year. 325 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,880 And I was at the Identiverse regional event in New York City 326 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,560 a few weeks ago. I thought it was great. 327 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,800 There needs to be more of those. For the first one, it was really 328 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,840 well run. I'm sure it'll get even better. 329 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,960 But you know, my feedback was positive. 330 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,680 I had invited a couple of folks that I knew in the area too as 331 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,120 well. They enjoyed it as well. 332 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,920 So I really interested to see how how Identiversity evolves 333 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,080 beyond just one Big Bang in the summer or whatever it is, which 334 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,560 I still think is important and good, but into maybe having 335 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,560 these smaller regional events that people who can't travel, 336 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,960 you know, long distances are able to take part in the in the 337 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,360 industry. Yeah, actually, it's 338 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 interesting. When you started seeing that, I 339 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,880 was thinking where you're going with it is the everyday people 340 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,880 who are out there solving identity challenges. 341 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,080 And I was thinking the Clark Kent of the world, you know, the 342 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,800 people who, they rip their shirt open and then they are Superman 343 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,960 or Superwoman underneath. So yeah, pretty cool. 344 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,119 I mean, Yep, those folks are the everyday heroes too. 345 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,480 They don't get the spotlight as much, but they're doing the 346 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:18,960 doing the job. Real work by real people. 347 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,119 All right, next question. You can take this one. 348 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,200 All right, Next question I had was, and now I'm like sitting in 349 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,520 the dark, so I'm having to move my I I was on a kick today. 350 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,760 I wrote things down on paper. I know you said that and I was 351 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:35,560 like, right? Paper. 352 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,240 Are you familiar with paper? It's, yeah, this ancient 353 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,080 material. I can't leave my handwriting, 354 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,240 but that's why. That's why I don't write on 355 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,280 paper so it's easier. It's easier and faster for me to 356 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,520 type. Mine's getting really bad. 357 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,720 What's the most important new technology in digital identity? 358 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,040 AI 100% for me, it's AII think it's going to be a massive shift 359 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,520 for us. You're already seeing, you're 360 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,640 already seeing it in products and I mean the new AI, 361 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,480 generative AI, not AI machine learning which has been around 362 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,160 for a while. What about you? 363 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,760 I was going to go with ITDR. Because I really think that, and 364 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,480 this is my reasoning is I think that identity is always been 365 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,520 around. Who has access to what I think 366 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,800 the the next frontier is and what are they doing with it. 367 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,800 I've said that a few times on the show. 368 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,040 And I think when you know what's being done with an account and 369 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,520 then you can spot anonymous behavior and you can then take 370 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,960 action to shut down the account or you know, at least pause 371 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,520 things. To me that's that's that next 372 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,920 frontier. I hate that it still relies on 373 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,920 logs and I think logs. You know, one of the things I 374 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,880 think that's so great about cloud platforms is that they log 375 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,320 things centrally. And when you're talking about 376 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,560 traditional enterprise IT, you've got logs everywhere And 377 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,960 without having one picture of everything, all thing, knowing 378 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,320 all things at all times everywhere, then you've got a 379 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,880 major shortcoming and you can't rely on it. 380 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,240 So anyway, I do think that space and whether or not it continues 381 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,680 to evolve and change names, which I think that's a sign of 382 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,120 success, right. Identity governance and 383 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,360 administration was identity administration and governance at 384 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:24,240 one point. So it's like these names 385 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,840 transform over time at one time. It's called identity management. 386 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,680 So kind of the same thing in a way it's done a little bit 387 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,840 differently. But yeah, so that's it for me 388 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:35,640 all. Right. 389 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,560 I mean I feel like ITDR is just the again that evolution of 390 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,560 UBAUEBA over time which I got it, it's important. 391 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,760 I think it's, I think it's still it requires you to have 392 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,920 technologies and logs in place already And so that's the way I 393 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:55,040 look at it. I don't know if, I don't know if 394 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,360 I necessarily think it was like a new thing. 395 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:58,720 I think it's just an evolution, but hey, that's our 396 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,480 personalities and how we think about things. 397 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,480 Kind of like how would you like to be prepared if you were a 398 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,960 potato, right? We each have different answers 399 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,360 to that, you know, we think about it from different 400 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:09,000 viewpoints. Completely different viewpoints, 401 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,080 so I I think we should end the show with the answer to that 402 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,240 question. I think we've already answered 403 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,120 it, but we can, I'll try to make a note, if you're if you 404 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,480 remember when we come back to that next question, what will AI 405 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,880 mean to identity in five years. So I've already said that I 406 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,800 think it's the most important thing that came out of the year 407 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,960 this year, at least for me. Where do you see AI taking 408 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,880 identity in five years? I think AI could move quick 409 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:38,400 enough that basically deployment of AI and integration with 410 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:45,040 connected systems could be highly automated using AII think 411 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,640 that's where AI really needs to head is that, you know, people 412 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,080 don't have to do all the things that they do today to connect 413 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,760 systems, to deploy functionality and all that. 414 00:20:55,040 --> 00:21:00,160 You should be able to tell the AI interface what you want to 415 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,920 happen, and then it figures out how to do it and makes it work. 416 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,120 It's. Not going to be great for system 417 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:10,040 integrators and implementation teams and things like that. 418 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:14,080 I think we're five years. Yeah, I think that's, I think 419 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,120 it's doable. What I'm concerned about is 420 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:20,200 we're talking about an AI configuring your security 421 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,760 infrastructure. So you better make sure that 422 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,960 those configurations are solid and that they're not, you know, 423 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,280 incorrectly configured. So what happens if you go off 424 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,800 and buy a tool that requires low code, no code, but you actually 425 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,800 do need to do some coding and you don't have those 426 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,120 capabilities in inside, you know, you don't know the product 427 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:42,760 or whatever it may be. I think. 428 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,920 I think there's still going to be a space for that kind of 429 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,320 thing. But I I think your head, I I 430 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,280 think you're thinking already kind of where I was thinking as 431 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,520 well is more of a Clippy on steroids, a wizard on steroids 432 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,000 approach where instead of you know keywords now it's actually 433 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,080 trying to infer it from the language. 434 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:06,120 But I think this is again where I see product specific AI and 435 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,080 I'm specifically referring to generative AI in large language 436 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,080 models and that being a secret sauce for identity companies. 437 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,080 Is the sale point AI better than the Sabient AI? 438 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,520 Is the Microsoft AI better than the Octa or Ping AI at doing 439 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,920 those things? I think that'll be a key 440 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,600 battleground that will sort of emerge over the next few years. 441 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Yeah, I think what's going to happen, if you look further out, 442 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:39,480 it's AI plus quantum computing, and it can completely 443 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,520 revolutionize how things get done now. 444 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,520 I might be retired by then, so and I would be OK with that. 445 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:48,560 Let's. Try rail that around it. 446 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,520 I think, I think honorable mention here would be for self 447 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,840 sovereign Idi really just see that people aren't going to want 448 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:04,160 to carry wallets with cards in it and cash and things like 449 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,080 that. They just want to carry their 450 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960 one device. I don't really think the phone 451 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,440 form factor is going to go away. I think it'll get lighter and 452 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,200 and easier to carry, but I think people like having a screen to 453 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,400 look at until we can kind of get to, you know, I don't know, 454 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:25,360 something different than AI. Pin by humane. 455 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,960 Have you seen the AI Pin by I think the company called Humane? 456 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,120 No, it's like a brooch or something that you put like a 457 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,880 star, A Star Trek brooch. Basically, yeah, you're on the 458 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,480 right track. So it clips to your, you know, 459 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,840 your shirt somewhere and it's AI powered. 460 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,640 So you talk to it, which immediately I'm like I'm not 461 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,520 going to talk to my talk to my PIN. 462 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,320 You know, I that's just not, I don't want to be in like a busy 463 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,920 area and have people hear my conversations. 464 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,200 You don't want to go into a bike or bar and do that. 465 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,720 Right, but the way it also works is IT projects essentially light 466 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,880 onto your hand. So you can use your hand as like 467 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,920 a screen to like read things and I guess theoretically type. 468 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,920 Although I'm not sure exactly how that would work from an 469 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,000 accurate accuracy standpoint. So this form factor of having 470 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,720 some sort of device authentication on you I think is 471 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,000 here to stay. We've seen it with phone watch 472 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,120 rings habit and now you've got this pin, which I can certainly 473 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040 see some use cases. I am not as much of A tech 474 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,160 person I am and I love bleeding edge technology. 475 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,720 No way. That's not what I'm about, but 476 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,040 there are options out there. I think the phone form factors. 477 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,080 You know something people don't mind, I think for now anyway. 478 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,960 And it's easy and cheap. And if it it's more to the point 479 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,360 that you lose the phone, you can replace the phone without losing 480 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,040 any functionality. Every couple years you can get a 481 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,840 new one. The new technology, I think that 482 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,480 it's a good fit for the way we operate. 483 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,920 And they'll start folding on the Apple side. 484 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,840 Hopefully soon. Hopefully Apple catches up with 485 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,640 like a folding phone, because I really like that idea on the 486 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,120 Android side. Takes us to the next question 487 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,600 then. Thank you for introducing. 488 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,120 I think we're going to start to wrap the show up and we were 489 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,960 kind of thinking, I was like oh, how do we end up showing a wider 490 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,640 note and you came up with Android or iPhone as the 491 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,800 question, I'll let you pose it. That's just I know that was the 492 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,840 idea. So however you want to pose it, 493 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,240 I will answer. Andrew, Andrew. 494 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,720 Hey, Andrew. Android or iPhone? 495 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,320 Both. I like both. 496 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:38,360 I am an iPhone user, but I like the Android OSI just find the 497 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,920 app quality is not there yet consistently on the Android side 498 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,520 compared to the iPhone or iOS side of things. 499 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,920 But I really enjoy both, and I really hope Android catches up 500 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,880 in some of those areas. Yeah, I'm definitely iPhone and 501 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,880 I just, I don't see any reason to change. 502 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,640 And then with the ecosystem, they keep trying you further and 503 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,840 further in, and there's the green text, blue text thing, 504 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,800 which is like, I just can't get over it. 505 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,640 I think with RCS next year, so was it rich Communication 506 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,480 Service. I think this is something that 507 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,240 Google and others had been kind of touting. 508 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,080 It's sort of the cross-platform equivalent of what iMessage is. 509 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,960 Apple has said they're going to support it at some point. 510 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,600 We'll see how that ends up working. 511 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,880 I'm sure they will figure out to have a a different color to keep 512 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,400 iMessage blue and like RCS something else. 513 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,120 I don't. Know purple or something? 514 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,920 Yeah. I mean, the ecosystem pool is 515 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240 strong. I mean, as much as I like both. 516 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800 I have iPhone, I have MacBook, I have iPad, I have Watch. 517 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Yes, they all work together, but I still like the Windows OS 518 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,680 better. That's just me. 519 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,160 All right. One more question. 520 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,480 No, we have two more questions because we have to get to the 521 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,600 potato question. Oh. 522 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,960 You want to do the potato question. 523 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,520 OK, well, you keep going. You keep asking the questions. 524 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:57,760 All right, what newish TV show would you recommend for people 525 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,480 to binge over the holidays? You know, I don't, I don't know 526 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,280 if I had an answer for it until immediately. 527 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,760 This thing just popped in my head and it's on Netflix. 528 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Actually, I got two one's on Netflix. 529 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,120 It's I think you should leave with Tim Robinson, which I think 530 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,480 is hilarious. I mean, bunch of stupid sketch 531 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,440 comedy type things, but so many good quotes and scenarios out of 532 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,840 that. And then my other one, which is 533 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,720 way more niche, but I think really people should be checking 534 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,280 it out, is a show called Game Changer Dropout TV, which is by 535 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,000 the College Humor folks now. It's called Dropout. 536 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,520 It's its own streaming service. You can find them on YouTube and 537 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,640 you know all places like that. But the show I think is just 538 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,880 really well done and it changes every show. 539 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,600 So you never really know what the rules are until you start 540 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,080 watching it, which I find entertaining. 541 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,240 It's like an improv stand up. It's like an improv comedy game 542 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,280 show, if that makes sense. Yeah, so I've been watching C 543 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,160 It's like a miniseries on Apple TV, plus that what they call 544 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000 miniseries, TV show. I think it's whatever. 545 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,680 Series. I don't know. 546 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,960 It's like two or three seasons, right? 547 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,160 Yeah, it's like three seasons. It goes off to a very slow start 548 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,720 and then it gets pretty exciting. 549 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840 I don't know if I'm going to say it's like the best series I've 550 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,440 ever watched, but definitely keep you busy and keep you 551 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,480 entertained for whatever it is. So six shows per season. 552 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,480 So that would be 18 episodes. And they're about an hour long, 553 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,560 so 18 hours of entertainment. There you go. 554 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,400 I I've only seen two episodes, I think, and I couldn't, couldn't 555 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,400 get past those two and it was like just died off. 556 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,560 There's just too much to watch right now. 557 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,000 It's off to a really slow start, but I always wonder with a show 558 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,560 like that because it's so involved and so intricate, did 559 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,840 someone write a book like The Fire and Ice books that led into 560 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,320 was it Game of Thrones? It's very similar to Game of 561 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,600 Thrones in terms of in a lot of terms, even though it's based in 562 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,280 the future. It's like post human apocalypse. 563 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:08,320 Like of I guess some disease ravaged humanity and took away 564 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,040 eyesight and then there they are. 565 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,680 I mean that's that's typical gym. 566 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,520 And they got a downer nobody can see. 567 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,080 We're not ended. How would you like to be 568 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400 prepared, Jeff? If you were a potato? 569 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,080 How would you like to be prepared? 570 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320 I'm going to stick with my original answer of when I first 571 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,400 thought of this question. That is potatoes al graten 572 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,400 because I want to be delicious and creamy, a little bit cheesy, 573 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,600 and just something that I think a lot of people really enjoy. 574 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,320 A well done dish of potatoes al graten yourself. 575 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,160 But I do think you got the cheesy part down. 576 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,000 No, I, you know, I my answer is kind of a cop out because I I 577 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,960 think of it from the same point. I'm like this poor little potato 578 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,120 and now I've got to choose how I want to be killed. 579 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Do I want to be chopped up and thrown into boiling water? 580 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,920 Hell no. I want to be in somebody's 581 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,800 pantry, forgotten about and grow all those green things out of 582 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,320 me. And then I have a humane owner 583 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280 who decides, you know, rather than throwing this thing in the 584 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,760 trash, I'm going to bury it in my backyard and hope that it 585 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,600 grows into multiple potatoes. So it strikes me, and I'm not 586 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,960 sure if you're gonna get this, but you're gonna. 587 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,920 It sounds to me like you are trying to become the Three Eyed 588 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:34,400 Raven of Potato, where that guy in Game of Thrones is like the 589 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,360 original 3 Eyed Raven and he's like in the tree, he's like 590 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,000 stuck there. I imagine you is your whatever 591 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,880 the Three Eyed Potato is and you're in the ground and 592 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,240 somewhere along someone else is going to come along and take 593 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,840 your position as, I don't know, Three Eyed Potato. 594 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,080 Yeah, but we definitely thought about the question differently. 595 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200 You thought of, like, how would you bring enjoyment to people? 596 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,120 And I thought of How could I preserve myself and feel the 597 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,400 least pain? Yeah, you want a quick, clean 598 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,160 death, which I could appreciate. I think it just shows our 599 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,160 personalities and our viewpoints and how we come at things. 600 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,600 I think it's a really interesting question for that 601 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,880 matter, because, you know, we bring it up from time to time 602 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,040 and people are like, what? Like what are you talking about? 603 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,160 You sound crazy. Well, some people are like, oh, 604 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,080 that's a great question. And other people are like, 605 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,640 you're weird. And both are true. 606 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,880 OK, let's go ahead and wrap it up for 2023. 607 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,760 It's been another great ride for us. 608 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,480 Thank you to everyone who has shared, supported, been on the 609 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,840 show, you know, walked up and said hello, taking a sticker, 610 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960 even if it's politely, and then they threw it away later. 611 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,240 All that stuff is helpful. Keep liking subscribing, sharing 612 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,920 the show, and hopefully we'll be able to double again later and 613 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,360 have the same conversation next year. 614 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,920 Jim, how do you want to close it out for 2023? 615 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800 I just want to thank everybody who listens to the show and 616 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,080 makes this part of their week. 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