1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,000 This is identity at the center. OK? 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,280 We're here at the identity here in Oslo, Norway. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,720 Are you laughing at me already? I'm just starting. 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 I'm just starting and Denise is already laughing at. 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,360 Me. Hi, My name's Yanni. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,520 I'm here at Identity here Oslo. And, well, there's one reason I 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,920 came here. I'll leave it to you to figure 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:34,400 out what it is. So hi, my name is Stig Severson. 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,160 I've been in the identity space for 16 years, subject lead for 10 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:42,600 in the Central Bank of Norway, attending the identity Bureau 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,760 for the X amount of time, having a beer, having a good times with 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,440 all my identity friends. So thank you. 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Hi, I'm Sir Alba. I work as a security engineer 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,800 for Space Norway. I have a little bit of 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,080 experience in identity and this is my first identity beer. 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,600 Hi, I'm Lars Rawlinson. I'm an independent contractor 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,840 and I am I've been there in the business for 25 years. 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,640 I come to the entity Beer here to see if I can find an 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,760 interesting people to talk to, have some good ideas about I am 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,760 and sometimes I find them. Hi, I'm Espen Bago, and I'm here 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,480 because, well, what I do is identity beer and I am, of 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:23,640 course. You've been doing it for a 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,080 while. I've been doing that for a 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,640 while. It's been my fifth year and he's 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,200 the man. Everybody knows this guy. 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,040 That's the benefit of starting something, right. 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,000 And you know, if you look around here and you see that in the 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,200 background, it's, it's a nice place to be, very friendly place 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,440 to be. And that's, that's really the 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,760 nice thing with it. But everyone is so appreciative 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,720 of being involved and being part of this. 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,760 All right. So I'm here with my friend, new 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,400 friend Sarah from Zurich. And we're here at the first 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,720 identity here that I've ever been to. 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,120 I think it's the first identity here you've been to. 36 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,000 Also my first one. Yeah, definitely. 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,040 So, well, I always like to discover the faces behind the 38 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,640 identity space, right? Who are these people? 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,280 So go who is Sarah? How did you get into identity? 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,120 What's your background? Your origin story? 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,640 So background actually is, yeah, like many things. 42 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:18,800 So how I get an identity, maybe I'll start with that one. 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,440 Actually it was like, like very spontane. 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,640 So I, I really like to work with people. 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,560 So I mean, The thing is always you, you're asking yourself what 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,800 do you want to do in life, which job you want to do, right? 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 You said I want to be an identity and access management 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,480 person when you were born. To be honest, not no, to be 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,960 honest not actually. It was like very spontane. 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,640 So I at first did an apprenticeship, then I studied 51 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:50,920 like economics and then I work for also in a part of the IT and 52 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:54,920 Dutch. And then I said, OK, I really 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:58,200 like that job, but it was not that much with the people. 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,880 And I'd really like to interact with people, to talk to people, 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:08,200 to make people's life better. And so then I applied for a head 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:15,760 hunting position and one customer of, of myself was one 57 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,560 smaller consulting company in Germany, an identity. 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:22,960 And that was actually my customer. 59 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,240 So I had, I called him and he just did an appointment and he 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,520 said, yeah, OK, so so come on, maybe we need some people we can 61 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,920 talk. And I said, OK, sure. 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,120 And I, yeah, was on side with the appointment. 63 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,080 And yeah, actually. So I had the appointment with 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,720 the with the CEO, really nice person. 65 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,200 I also still in contact with him. 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,800 Wait, so you were So you joined a head hunting firm? 67 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Basically a placement. Firm. 68 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,640 Looking for. For. 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Firm people for jobs and you found this company, you're like, 70 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,280 oh, that sounds like a way I want. 71 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,720 No, actually not. So it was a customer and I want 72 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,360 actually, I wanted really to to sell people for them. 73 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,080 OK. And we had an appointment and 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,920 get to know each other and it was really like a very good 75 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,160 conversation and like the the chemical part really fierce and 76 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 we liked each other and so on. And so he said, oh, when you're 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,200 looking in a job in sales, let me know. 78 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,480 And actually, I was at that part. 79 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,480 I didn't, I didn't drive that company that long. 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:30,400 I was not so happy. So I think after a few weeks, I 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,320 yeah, I told you I went to identity that way. 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Yeah. So it was like very spontane. 83 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,560 And then I said, OK, hey, is your offer still still available 84 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,960 and are you interested in. He said, hey, yeah, sure, why 85 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,760 not. And then we talked and met again 86 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,160 and I think I started then after 2-3 weeks. 87 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,800 So how long have you been in this role, this identity role? 88 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,920 And the identity role, so in Germany nearly four years. 89 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,000 And right now I'm in Switzerland. 90 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,080 So I joined another company in Switzerland. 91 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,320 Like the, yeah, basic stimuli like the one in Germany, also 92 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,480 smaller one. Very cool. 93 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,120 Also like, yeah, same partners and so on. 94 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,120 So like the same role. And now I'm there like nearly 95 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,400 two years. So in July, it's two years. 96 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,120 And you focus on the sales and the business development side? 97 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,800 Of things focus on the sales and business development, but I 98 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,600 really like it in a small company that I can also do like 99 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:34,440 some things around like part of project management and also like 100 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,080 proving contracts and so on. It's it's really cool. 101 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,440 So you're like the the first contact person for everyone and 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,840 I really like that. And I also really recognize that 103 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,320 it's really my that I really love it so much to talk to 104 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,080 people, to have a look what they need and just to care about that 105 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,280 them and, and just be to make their their life better or to 106 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,520 make the life of the people in the company better to make it 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,440 easier from FM. And I think that's what identity 108 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,560 and access management does, because it makes them easier and 109 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:11,240 makes them secure and yeah, ready to ensure that they save 110 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:12,840 time. I mean, sure, at the beginning 111 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:15,800 it's like more time invest, sure, but it's normal. 112 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,120 But at the end it's like more automation and more processes 113 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,000 and more, more safe And you're really sure that every person 114 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,480 have the same rights. And that's really, yeah, I'd 115 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,080 really love that. So a lot of people, we have a 116 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,680 lot of former Ditropians listening and watching in this. 117 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,800 And so Jim and I came from a very small consulting firm too. 118 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,360 So totally get it and understand that we have a lot of what I 119 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,680 would call like sales. This is development folks who 120 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,720 listen and watch as well. What's a tip that you would give 121 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,520 them to say, hey, here is a tip that I use to make a 122 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,840 relationship with somebody or to make it easy to find clients or 123 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,360 customers or things like that? Like what's a tip that you would 124 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,200 give somebody? I think so for me, it's really 125 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,680 important to have like an honest relationship at the beginning 126 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,960 because there are so many like sales and I think I don't know 127 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,120 in the US, but in Germany or else in the dark region. 128 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,880 It's also like a negative touch or someone want to send me 129 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,920 something. It's it's saying and it's like 130 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,920 pressure. Yeah. 131 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,960 And I think it's really important that you have like a 132 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,200 really honest interest on that person that you really can. 133 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,320 Yeah, make sure that you you like that person because then 134 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,120 it's much easier. I'm also like that know, like 135 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,040 trust worker. So I know you. 136 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,120 And I think that I have a feeling as a customer that you 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:49,040 really want to send me something I need, that you know who I am, 138 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,520 you know what I want, you know what our company needs and so 139 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,600 on. And for example, we also do it 140 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,840 like when we have a new customer or a new potential customer that 141 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,760 we don't say in the first meeting. 142 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,840 Oh, so I can I send you an offer like that, that that I say, OK, 143 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,320 it's really important that we need personal. 144 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,040 And so I have like an invest from us like 3-4 hours to really 145 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,360 meet to understand what are your requirements? 146 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,880 What do you really need? Because actually there what I 147 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,000 don't like when you have a company who yeah, you, you just 148 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,400 make an offer and say, OK, we have that, that, that and you 149 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,320 don't know if that fits for that customer. 150 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,840 It's so curious. I don't really like to to have 151 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,039 like a very personal offer and to have like a really connected 152 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,960 relationship and to really make sure that you really understand 153 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,640 the customer and what the customer needs and don't just 154 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,080 only to sell because you need to sell. 155 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,520 Be the person that you'd want to do business with, right This 156 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:49,400 kind of. Yeah, totally. 157 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Be the person. Yeah. 158 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 I mean, that's also that one question. 159 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,600 I find that really I, I really like that question. 160 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,720 Just ask yourself if you want to work with yourself. 161 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,920 Yeah. I want to work with Sarah. 162 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,680 Yes, yes, yes, I would. And I would also like to work 163 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:05,240 with you. Jeff. 164 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,360 OK, well, all right. I appreciate this conversation 165 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,480 and yeah, look forward to seeing you. 166 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,360 So we're identity beer again, First EIC, first Berlin, first 167 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,760 identity beer for both of us. And yeah, we'll see. 168 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,640 Hopefully this turns out. Absolutely. 169 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,240 All right, goodbye. Hey, I'm Steele. 170 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,280 This is my first identity beer. I'm actually just starting out 171 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,160 in identity as a feel, as in is of itself. 172 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,960 So just like trying to network, get to know people, know what 173 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,720 identity is all about. Yeah, I'm Sigma. 174 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,600 I'm Astian here. I'm a newcomer to identity beer. 175 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,040 I work in Commando, which is identity security company in the 176 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,680 Nordics. Mostly. 177 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:51,680 I work with sale points. I've also have a quite big 178 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:57,000 footprint with cyber art. So Pam, I am stuff and I was 179 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,680 surprised that we are actually outside. 180 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:03,920 I thought it was going to be some indoor event where some 181 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,840 somebody was going to present, present something. 182 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,160 But here we are drinking beers. Oslo is a fantastic city. 183 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,240 I, I have been here, I have lived here for 40 years and I 184 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,160 think the best thing about it is that, you know, you can be a 185 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,040 pedestrian. There is no cars in downtown. 186 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,800 It's like we are taking the people are taking the city back. 187 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,040 Of course we have the ski jump, the Viking ship and everything 188 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,320 and the sculpture park and everything like that. 189 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:40,560 But downtime all slow, where the cars are removed and if the 190 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:42,280 weather is like today, fantastic. 191 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Also, even though it's the capital of Norway, it's a really 192 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,120 small city. You can basically walk from one 193 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,600 end to the other. Like most people can like cross 194 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,800 the entire city and like just everything technically being a 195 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,080 couple streets away is great. How much are your days in 196 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:05,080 English first? It it depends which customer we 197 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,480 are working with. Since I'm working in a 198 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,600 consulting company, we have different customers. 199 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,840 It is for mostly it's the oral thing is in Scandinavian 200 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,600 language, since we understand Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, but 201 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,400 but when it's come to the written stuff, most of it is in 202 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,400 English, Yeah, because that's universal language which 203 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,600 everybody understands. But, but, but for the most part, 204 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,680 the oral stuff is, is Scandinavian language. 205 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:35,240 How did? You get into. 206 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,920 IAM I think the I am found me yeah. 207 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,440 So it was with a project for a client, so they needed more 208 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,680 people on on the I am. So I kind of OK, let's try it. 209 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,040 So I work with a privilege access management as well. 210 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,560 So it's you know, it's the so it's kind of it's its neighbor. 211 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:58,200 So it's kind of it was quite easy to pick up. 212 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,520 I haven't started the I Am yet, but I'm moving from the service 213 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,520 that's covered to our I Am team. Like I was lucky enough to got 214 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,480 to spend a couple of days a week with them some time back, 215 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,920 enjoyed what they were doing, thought it was interesting and 216 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,000 like, it seemed like a good next step from a service desk 217 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,520 standpoint. Yeah. 218 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:27,360 Like because service desk is in a sense pretty much connected to 219 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,720 the I am partner, right, They are for sure. 220 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Yeah. So like try to get some of that 221 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,440 like customer experience and like try to you get kind of good 222 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:43,560 at speaking the language of the customers, right when you work 223 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:47,480 in service desk. So like try to get the I am 224 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,040 perspective over that way definitely I think could be 225 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:51,960 good. Yeah. 226 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:58,000 Show them that we are. Then we, me, we're actually 227 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,200 they're friends. We can help them automate 228 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,000 things. We can make their lives easier. 229 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,200 Yeah. So, yeah, I think it will be 230 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,640 cool. I like beer and I like to speak 231 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:07,640 to people. So. 232 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,000 So then I thought it was a good opportunity to get to know other 233 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,960 people within the field. All right, so another identity 234 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,520 or conversation here, this time with our friend Usman, who we 235 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,800 met a couple years ago, Jim and I at karaoke in Ideniverse, I 236 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,400 think like 2 years ago, three years ago, whatever it was. 237 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,200 Three years ago, I think, yeah. Did you sing that night? 238 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,200 I think you and I were in the back. 239 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:29,840 We did not. Sing. 240 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,640 We did not sing. I was thinking about it the 241 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,160 whole time. What's what song would that be, 242 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,440 Right. I was thinking, OK, it has to be 243 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,200 something from Queens Clearwater Revival. 244 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,360 But then we left. So I yeah, OK, I lucked out. 245 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,360 Well, so you went to Gartner and now you've recently left 246 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,720 Gartner. Now you're doing kind of your 247 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,360 own thing. So now that you're not with 248 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,840 Gartner, you can actually be on podcasts. 249 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,320 Sorry, a little shadow dig right there. 250 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:52,880 Tell us something about your origin story. 251 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,200 How did you get into identity and access management? 252 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,720 Give us your background. So my background in IT is 253 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,680 irrelevant to this, I think because I got into IT as a side 254 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,560 job at university. I mean, I'm, I've been studying 255 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:07,520 chemistry and then I went to this. 256 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,560 Very typical chemistry and going into yeah. 257 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Right. So and I'm using that every day. 258 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,360 I mean not every day, but chemistry. 259 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:19,240 And the point is, I used, I went to support IT support and I 260 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,240 recommend everyone start with IC support, but you get a feel for 261 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,280 people's problems. Yes, everybody should have to 262 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,360 work help desk or in a restaurant. 263 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,840 One of those two things. Yeah, maybe even both if you 264 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,480 really need to learn a lesson. So I worked in a machine room 265 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,520 and I, you know, switched tapes for mainframes. 266 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,400 And then I went into, I was going to say Linux 267 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,040 administration, but I was before Linux. 268 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,400 I was a Solaris administrator and then the DBA. 269 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,440 And then at one point I came into contact with middleware and 270 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,880 I think that's something that other guests have been saying 271 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,440 for in middleware. A. 272 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Lot of I am happens in middleware. 273 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,680 So The thing is I was responsible for e-business for a 274 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,040 large Norwegian company and I realized we had this thing 275 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,160 called the Oracle Internet Directory which governed 276 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,800 something called single sign on. And it was kind of in my 277 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 responsibility. So I looked into what was in 278 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,480 there and it was just so much junk. 279 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,720 No one was, you know, controlling what went into that 280 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,440 thing. So I was troubleshooting why 281 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,400 isn't single sign of working. And it was kind of obvious, 282 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,200 right? So you started on the really the 283 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,320 authentication side, I guess the directory side, right, if you're 284 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,400 looking at Oracle directory for that or was it a different part 285 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,600 of Oracle? So long before that, I was 286 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,720 working with the middleware parts of authentication for the 287 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,080 Oracle Ebusiness Suite, and that was just something that needed 288 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,760 to be done. But I was still AVBA at that 289 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,320 point, mainly in my own mind. And then I realized if if we can 290 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,040 get so much trouble and chaos and junk into central parts of 291 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,880 the organization of the architecture in general, because 292 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,320 no one really cares about this and someone needs to care about 293 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,680 that. So I started caring more and 294 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,120 more, and this was around 2002 I think. 295 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,880 And then I just realized there's so much more and it's so 296 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,760 essential. There's always something new to 297 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,880 learn, right? What has kept you in identity 298 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,400 all these years? Like why stay in identity, 299 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,760 really? It's a good question one. 300 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,040 Maybe I don't want to be an identity. 301 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,120 One reason is that there's so few of us, right? 302 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,560 So it's a good place to be because it's a good career to 303 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,200 have. Identity is so central, right? 304 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:33,720 Would you say it's? How? 305 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,480 Central is it's at the center depending, depending on how you 306 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,840 define identity, right. So access might be at the 307 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,160 center, but you need identity to enable access. 308 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,680 So if we do digital transformation, we we need both 309 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,480 of those, right? So I stated it because it's, 310 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,120 it's really core to everything that happens in society. 311 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,200 And also, and you can see this in the background here because 312 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,680 of the community, it's a very cool community. 313 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,640 It's a very cool community. And so let's talk about that 314 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,359 because this is my first identity here, but you're like 315 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,800 the originator, I think of this. And so we've kind of talked 316 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,079 about some past episodes of, you know, trying to get this be more 317 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,119 worldwide. And so let's let's get the 318 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,560 message out there. Like, how do we turn identity 319 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,560 here into like a global phenomenon? 320 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,400 Because this is a great group. We have like, what, 100 people 321 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,119 here, I think. I mean, obviously, you know, 322 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,280 champions are shaken and there's a lot of background noise, stuff 323 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,440 like that. But it's a very lively and fun 324 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,520 environment. This is the biggest identity 325 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,760 here so far. All right. 326 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,200 So it's a new record. We had almost as many people one 327 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,600 year ago in Oslo because we placed the our identity here 328 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,920 right after our conference, because we started doing 329 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,720 conferences as well, right? This is what you can do. 330 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,840 If you have this platform, then you collect the people and then 331 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,880 you can do amazing stuff. Make it convenient. 332 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,560 It's good your people are going to be here anyway. 333 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,280 Like, let's get together, you know, talk. 334 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,240 Yeah. And not in a salesy way, right? 335 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,760 No, that stuff. So until the pandemic in 2019 336 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,120 and 2020-2021, we were just a Scandinavian phenomenon. 337 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,800 And then we got in touch with Amsterdam, Martin Sandron and 338 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,600 when we enrolled them in under the identity or umbrella and 339 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,640 then we had Sam moving up in London. 340 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,600 So I think it from that point on, the ball really started 341 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,200 moving. So we had people contacting us. 342 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,000 I mean, mainly they contact me or Sam or the others about how 343 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,680 do we start a chapter because people like the idea of identity 344 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,680 or being vendor neutral. You're not beholden to any 345 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,160 vendor. You're not. 346 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Your name doesn't go on an e-mail list. 347 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,000 It's a safe place. It's a safe place, I mean, and 348 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,360 there's been so many meetups around the world with identity 349 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:41,920 already. There's many places that have 350 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,440 these meetups, but it turns out people really like the idea of 351 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,920 something that's independent and it's the same space. 352 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,680 So I don't have the count right now, but I think we are. 353 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,160 We are at least in 10 to 12 different countries and in 354 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,760 Canada, in the US, not that many in the US yet, but me, we have 355 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,280 San Francisco is pretty regular. We're trying to start up in in 356 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,880 New York in like. Seattle might have one too. 357 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,720 Like there's a nice concentration there. 358 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,920 They have the ID pro meet up OK but I think they might be 359 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,320 willing to rebrand. And then add some beer to it, 360 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,720 and then it becomes identity beer. 361 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,720 Yeah. So why beer? 362 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,640 Why not identity wine? Or what if you're someone like 363 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,840 me who really doesn't drink identity coke or cola? 364 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,880 We don't want to. It's already. 365 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,600 A relevant question. So for me it had had to be beer 366 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,240 because beer and running kind of my main hobbies except for I am. 367 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,440 But not at the same time. Or do you drink and brine at the 368 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,640 same time? No, sometimes I run to get a 369 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,640 drink at the drink at the end and then I run back again. 370 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,240 It's not that often. Those calories off. 371 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:53,200 Yeah, it's a good combination, but we've been discussing this 372 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,440 now and then we could have done the identity tea, which has been 373 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,640 a thing in Gartner, the UK guys, right? 374 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,640 Yeah. And it's a good idea. 375 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,120 It's just the bandwidth of stuff, right? 376 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,600 I want to because I'm very, you know, aware that there are 377 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,320 people that for different reasons, many different reasons, 378 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,920 won't go to an event for the beer and identity. 379 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,720 Beer is about being inclusive to everyone. 380 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,600 But mainly it's about it's a different kind of logistics 381 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,760 around doing those kind of events. 382 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,720 And if we are stable enough and have been running, you know, we 383 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,600 do every month in Oslo identity beers. 384 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,520 If we have enough organizer, I think we should try to do some 385 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,360 identity coffees or identity brews. 386 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,120 Identity Brews. Identity Bev like identity 387 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,080 beverage or. Something beverage I have, 388 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,920 something that, you know, people can recognize is still identity 389 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,080 beer. But so beer is mainly. 390 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,920 Yeah, it's easy to collect a lot of people around beer though, 391 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,440 right? I mean, evidence shows. 392 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,120 That obviously exactly. Everybody showed up for this 393 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,640 one. So OK, I'm sold. 394 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,920 I want to start up an identity beer. 395 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,760 What do I, I do? I mean, this is not like it's a 396 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,440 mass like group effort, right? It's usually local. 397 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,520 It's like, hey, it's just what people say, hey, we're going to 398 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:13,600 get together for a beer somewhere. 399 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,080 And it could be an app or I think there's somebody has 400 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,800 something. I mean, like, but you've got a 401 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,360 website that's actually for this that people can submit sort of 402 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,880 where their chapter is going to be or whatever that's going to 403 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,000 look like. You want to talk about that? 404 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,960 Yeah, so it's in progress of being good enough, but the main 405 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,960 purpose of the website's supposed to be the calendar that 406 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,400 you can just at one glance just click and see what's the closest 407 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,120 identity of chapter near me and when do they have a meet up next 408 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,760 time. And then the other important 409 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320 part about it is to to have a, you know, frequently asked 410 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,560 questions that would answer how do I set up a chapter if I so if 411 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,800 I'm so inclined. But mainly and we're getting a 412 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,640 charter out there working at that moment. 413 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,800 It's just we try to keep up with the group growth there. 414 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Just get people to show up. That's the hardest part, right? 415 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,080 And I had a couple of conversations this evening about 416 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,880 people saying that they want to start up in their home cities. 417 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,680 So that's cool. What we typically do is just say 418 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,680 reach out to me just on LinkedIn, for example, and say, 419 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,160 well, how do we go about? And what I typically tell them, 420 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,360 I mean, people reach out meetings with is just tips about 421 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,640 getting started, what what to do and what not to do. 422 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,320 But there are some principles because we need to keep it 423 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,360 vendor neutral in general because they cannot call it an 424 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:33,440 identifier if if it's not like that, right? 425 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,320 So I've had, I've had representatives from companies 426 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000 that shall not be named right now that said, hey, we really 427 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,960 want to do this in this city. And it turns out that the four 428 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,000 people in the call with me were all from that same company and. 429 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,320 To try like a sponsored event type thing. 430 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,320 And that's just a. Different. 431 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Yeah. And it's just for them. 432 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,000 Yeah, Yeah. So when I say, well, you have to 433 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,720 invite at least one other company over time to be in your 434 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040 group with you, and then you said, oh, that's not quite what 435 00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,840 we want. To right. 436 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,880 OK, well, do your own thing then, right? 437 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,160 Yeah, exciting. I mean, just did not call it 438 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,920 identity beer, but we can collaborate. 439 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,440 Yeah, Yeah, right. OK. 440 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,120 Well, this is fantastic. My first, hopefully not my last. 441 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,440 Now I'm in a small market in the US, Asheville, So I don't even 442 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,280 know if there's anybody else in identity in Asheville. 443 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,720 I got to think that's at least one or two. 444 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,120 We'll have to see. If you're in Asheville, NC and 445 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,520 you want to stop an identity beer with me, let me know. 446 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,280 Hit me up on LinkedIn. I don't know if there's any 447 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,760 other other. Otherwise, be very lonely. 448 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,280 I would just be me drinking alone in my house. 449 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Sometimes it takes a few months to grow it from two to three 450 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,960 people to to 10. Well, what I can say about it, 451 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,800 it's it's really not much work. It's really easy, basically just 452 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,920 setting up like a date and time and say, hey, we're going to be 453 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,480 here and everybody kind of pays their own way. 454 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,320 This is not like it's a membership fee or anything like 455 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,320 that. It's just that we're getting 456 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,120 together and talk like individuals and I don't know if 457 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,920 there's actually any identity talk happening. 458 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,680 It seems like most people just talk about anything except 459 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,920 identity, which is fine, right? That's kind of the whole point 460 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,240 is so you have conversation about anything and everything, 461 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,480 but get people in the community together. 462 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,240 I've definitely had a lot of interesting conversations about 463 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,440 identity at these events, right? Because I'm, I get to talk to 464 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,040 people that use identity in different ways and then you just 465 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720 get to qualify whether they use it in the ways that I thought 466 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,240 they should and and so on. So plus. 467 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,360 You're meeting new people and you're seeing their viewpoints 468 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:17,760 and understanding their positions. 469 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,240 And it's something like this is great where we're tied to, you 470 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840 know, the EIC conference where there's a lot of people that I 471 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,880 recognize saw people I don't meeting for the first time and 472 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,040 having newcomers conversations and you know, things like that, 473 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,080 which is super cool. That's one of the things that I 474 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,120 want for the future, is that if you go to an identity conference 475 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,640 anywhere, then there's an identity beer after or before. 476 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,120 So let's get one for Identiverse. 477 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:39,720 I mean, we're all going to be there in a couple weeks, right? 478 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,200 Yeah. Who do we have to throw it on 479 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,600 the gauntlet to? Like what's the what do we need 480 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,760 to have happen to have like an official identity beer at 481 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Identiverse or is it already in place? 482 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,680 So we've already had a meet up on the Monday under different 483 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,560 labels. It was the auth Sen last year 484 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,560 and something else before that. So I'm currently waiting on 485 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,080 response from the the venue just to see if we we going to be 486 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,720 there or not. And the trouble with an event 487 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720 that can be as large as this in Las Vegas, the companies want to 488 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,080 have someone who can give them their credit card and guarantee 489 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,120 everything. So it will be an identity beer. 490 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,760 I can guarantee that it will be an identity beer on Monday 491 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,360 before the identity beers. It may be more crowd sourced and 492 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,760 sort of all show up at the same time like a flash mob. 493 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,600 Maybe right because. It's totally fine. 494 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,760 Yeah, yeah. So either we do it at the 495 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,720 Mandalay, at the Irish Pub, but I think the plan A is to do it 496 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,320 at the BrewDog, OK, because BrewDog has lots of space and 497 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,640 they have this terrace around the strip. 498 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,960 And I want to do that from 4:00 PM and onwards. 499 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,920 So everyone who gets into town and that they can just go to the 500 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,520 go to the identity as a reception. 501 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,080 And just a kind of a revolving kind of open spot where people 502 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,640 can go to. Yeah, that's very cool. 503 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040 All right, well, this has been a lot of fun, so hats off to you. 504 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,160 Congratulations. I mean, this is, you know, quite 505 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,200 a, quite a success here. I'm really proud of the 506 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,400 community. Yeah, so, all right, it's good 507 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,440 to talk to you. I'm going to. 508 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,960 We're going to get more drinks and more food. 509 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,160 My name is Bjorn Bjorn for everyone not speaking Norwegian. 510 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Working in Norway, been working with an identity and access 511 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,760 management for a bit more than 20 years. 512 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,040 Working right now in a smaller boutique company called 513 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Commando. And yeah, I'm here at Identity 514 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,280 Bear to meet my friends and colleagues and enjoying the 515 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,080 sunshine for once. So I'm born in Nepal, as you can 516 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:42,080 see, and I've been travelled quite a lot in my life, most of 517 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,960 the continents. Norway is one of my favorite 518 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:54,280 places because of the relaxed working community, meaning that 519 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,120 we work together even though we compete outside of these nice 520 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,560 venues. When we drink beer, we have good 521 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,000 relationships. We can without any challenge, 522 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,240 talk to anyone here, even though tomorrow morning we will be in a 523 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,360 tough competition for some client or something like that. 524 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,520 It's a very open and including company and country. 525 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:23,440 Yeah, it picked me. So I started working with normal 526 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,040 kind of operations back in 9899 and then I worked with like in 527 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,160 the early days we built one of the first net banks back in in 528 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,120 Norway and we started with access management. 529 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,480 A lot of the people that have been working 20 plus years 530 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,840 started with IBM ISAMS and and all those kind of technologies. 531 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,320 So we built up one of the best I would say still really one of 532 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,040 the best net banks in the world at that time in 99 two thousand 533 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,320 on ISAM before it was purchased by a man. 534 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,680 And from there on kind of moved into both from an access 535 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,320 management perspective that moved into IGA, moved into 536 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,320 access like attribute based access control, previous access 537 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,000 management kind of all over the place. 538 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,320 So so been doing most of the different main domains over the 539 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,600 last 20 years. Yeah, how would I think about AI 540 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,840 in I am and I and I have to say I'm, I'm really, I'm always 541 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,960 interested in the new kind of technologies that comes in new 542 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,240 standards, new products, new capabilities. 543 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:39,360 And I'm really kind of baffled by some of the new tech like you 544 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,360 have. And I'll just do some product 545 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,120 mentions, even though it is no kind of thing related to me, but 546 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:52,240 I am once doing really good AI on top of legacy or kind of old 547 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,800 school or or existing IGA tools where you have like the native 548 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120 language people are used to using chatbot, they're starting 549 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,640 to using Copilot and they can talk to an actual tool that just 550 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,680 delivers immediate response. And I, I think it's kind of 551 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,120 baffling. I see all the different type of 552 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,640 vendors starting to build their own solutions and, and it's 553 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,800 going to completely explode on how you interface with a 554 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,920 different type of people. So the different, if you're, if 555 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,000 you're an administrator, you'll get the kind of the interface of 556 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,520 an administrator. If you're an end user, you'll 557 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,760 get the interface of an end user. 558 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,880 And in addition to that, of course, everyone talk about 559 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,120 agentic AI and how that's going to influence things and how how 560 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,040 to manage what you should be accessing and what shouldn't be 561 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,680 accessed by an AI agent. But I still think it's like it, 562 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:50,520 it's we're going to reduce the kind of knowledge need. 563 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,520 We're moving a lot of the first 2-3, five years of experience 564 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,200 because you can get that for free. 565 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,240 And then it's more like understanding business 566 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920 understanding actually what's, what do you want to accomplish 567 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480 more than the technology. My name is Connor. 568 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,120 I work in a consultant rig called Advancea. 569 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,920 I got into I am a few years ago in 2007. 570 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,000 Basically it picked me. I thought security was fun. 571 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,680 I am was a way into the security really, really well. 572 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,800 Good way to get into all of the good stuff that I am can offer 573 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,880 everything about programming integration. 574 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,000 But later on what caught my interest and made me stay is 575 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,480 basically a business side of it. To me, identity is the way into 576 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,200 security. It is the trust part, it is the 577 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,200 compliance part and it is the governance part. 578 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,760 To me, the thing that decide me the most about identity is that 579 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,160 it's no day is the same. It's affects by, it's affected 580 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,600 by everything and it affects everything around itself. 581 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,280 So when we talk about AI, for example, they have a huge 582 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,560 previous issue that is part of Identity core. 583 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,560 And if you have ever tried to deanonymize someone, you have 584 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,840 done that through identity functions and you can do that 585 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,640 also through identity management functions. 586 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,120 It is basically the same. It's the same, different sides 587 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,320 of the same coin. Basically. 588 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360 The hardest problems I've ever solved with Identity have always 589 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:36,120 been within the organization. It is been related to education. 590 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,000 It's related to audit and governance. 591 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,600 Always. It is making the management 592 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,400 understand why a password policy is important. 593 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:57,080 It is been making the connection between something as simple as 594 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:04,760 the authentication rings within the Linux kernel within to top 595 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,760 management of an organization. How does it actually affect each 596 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,760 other and why? I worked as chief architect, 597 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,440 lead architect for several projects. 598 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,560 I worked as identity lead and different types of project 599 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,840 leads. I also worked as a programmer 600 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,960 within identity management projects. 601 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:31,640 My especially within within IT is from embedded system sites 602 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:39,400 and advanced Unix programming AI. 603 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,080 And what's to me, the lead up to identity isn't really important 604 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,840 is that you have a leader, you have a base to stand up. 605 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,640 It might be business and it might be it. 606 00:32:52,760 --> 00:33:01,320 To me, the core core lead up was integration and very low level 607 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,720 understanding of an operating system as well as normal masses 608 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,200 degree. Ohh, this shirt. 609 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:14,400 Yeah, it's so I, I started job search around December and I 610 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,640 figured I, I was so bored with seeing everybody on LinkedIn 611 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,240 going hey, I'm unemployed, I'm looking for work. 612 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,240 Hashtag looking for work. It's so generic. 613 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,760 Yeah, exactly. So I was like, that doesn't tell 614 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:34,240 anything about who or what I am. So I was like, OK, here's who 615 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480 I'm what I am. I'm an old I am war. 616 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Horse. I've seen it all, I've done it 617 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,560 all. So I figure let's just advertise 618 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,760 that with a little bit of sense of humor. 619 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,600 I don't know if it worked, but I got a job now. 620 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,360 Okay, so this is our largest group yet, Identity, here in 621 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,480 Berlin, Germany. So I'm going to ask the question 622 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,360 is how did you get into identity? 623 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,760 Well, first of all, what's your name? 624 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,800 Where are you from? And then how did you get into 625 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,960 identity? So we'll start with you. 626 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240 We'll just take the microphone and just kind of pass it along 627 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,080 and we'll go from there. Thank you. 628 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,440 Well, I'm Wolf. I'm actually a native from 629 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,800 Berlin. I'm now the Chief commercial 630 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,360 officer from Alerti and I got into identity almost by 631 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,760 accident. Think identity has for a long 632 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,560 time been the most undervalued and almost overlooked part of 633 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,440 cyber security. But it is so important as now 634 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,880 more and more of my clients are struggling with their cloud 635 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,320 migration, with their S for Hana cloud migration, the rice. 636 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,639 It forces them to clean up their identity. 637 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,600 And all of a sudden, this is the core of the most important part 638 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,239 of any digital transformation. And here we I am at Identity 639 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,159 Beer, really enjoying myself and eager to learn more about 640 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:43,880 Identity. Is this your first identity? 641 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,199 It certainly is OK. Mine too. 642 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,440 How many people have been to Identity Identity Beer before? 643 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,120 I have a microphone. All right. 644 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,239 So many. A couple of people have been to 645 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,560 Identity Bears. OK, cool. 646 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,800 OK, so let's go down here. Hello. 647 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,800 What was the question, who are you? 648 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,760 How are you and what would you say you do around here? 649 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:07,840 Sam Evans, where are you from? Born in England, OK, now based 650 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,200 in Lisbon in, in Portugal. How did I get into identity? 651 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,200 I, I found into it. I was in IT 23 years ago, wires 652 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,040 and boxes. And then and then I got into 653 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,320 into recruitment and that was 20 years ago. 654 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,080 And I looked at the room and everyone was recruiting for 655 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,400 COBOL, kicks, DB2, DALFI, all these, all these different 656 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,960 strange languages. And then I come across AI think 657 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,760 it was role based access control opportunity. 658 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,760 You pick something easy, but like no one, there was no one 659 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,480 about that was recruiting for it or could recruit for it. 660 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,800 And I thought I'd like to pick a little niche. 661 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,560 And then that's what I'd done. So I started, I started working 662 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,800 the network and finding people in that industry and built a 663 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:58,920 quite a big phone book and a little black book and started, 664 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,560 yeah, putting people into, into, into jobs and into roles and 665 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,200 building teams. And yeah, that was the the 666 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,920 origins of it. That's pretty cool. 667 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,520 Yeah. 23 years, 20 years, 20 years. 668 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do you stay in identity for 669 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,520 so long? It's a niche and it's failed for 670 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,000 20 years. The same problem that we have 20 671 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,960 years ago is still prominent today. 672 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,800 It's a skill shortage. Why are we not doing more to 673 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,760 educate and to to wolves point earlier? 674 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,560 You know, the fact that we call it identity security now is a 675 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160 great thing because it means that we're weaving it into the 676 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,160 fabric of security and it's it's getting the place that it should 677 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,960 have. The fact that we're talking 678 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,000 about a cedar roll, meaning the identity gets a seat at the top 679 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,680 table and it's here to stay. It's going nowhere. 680 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,640 So and all of those, that little black book that I was talking 681 00:36:53,640 --> 00:37:00,400 about, for me, people make projects, good people, 50% of 682 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,800 projects are failing. How do we stop that? 683 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,000 So there's a lot of improvement that needs to happen and I want 684 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,600 to play a role in helping with the education, awareness and 685 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,880 growth of all of that. So well, you're definitely 686 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,160 playing a role here. Definitely drinking beer. 687 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,480 That's probably the primary role right now. 688 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,560 I could do that. All right, let's go down to the 689 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,200 next. Who are you? 690 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,440 Where are you from and how'd you get into identity? 691 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,800 I'm Shane, I'm from Ireland, but I've been living in Switzerland 692 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:31,400 for almost 30 years now and got into identity about 2526 years 693 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520 ago. So we're building for a large 694 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,600 pharma company. We're building the company's 695 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,960 first web-based applications are going away from client server 696 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,000 apps. And one of the things that we 697 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,640 kind of run into is like how do we figure out who gets access to 698 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,200 it? And there was no idea. 699 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,400 The concept of identity access didn't didn't exist, but we had, 700 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,080 I think we had 47 different Active Directory setups and and 701 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,280 we had to come up with the concept. 702 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:01,160 Of how do we build user based access, enrolment, all different 703 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,200 role management. How do you take those 47 active 704 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:09,880 directories and make it 43 active directories, maybe more, 705 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,960 but it's so so that was kind of the starting point. 706 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,600 And then from there, similar to Sam, I kind of ended up 707 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,800 transitioning towards the human resources side of it. 708 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,400 Then looking at actually how do we start, you know, onboarding 709 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,680 offboarding employees, How do all those. 710 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,520 Processes work and over 30 years kind of developed across all 711 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,880 those different components and and then you know with Securex 712 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,840 and so it's and now looking at how do. 713 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,600 We, you know, become a bit more effective at those project 714 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,400 deliveries that are 50% behind and helping kind of helping 715 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,000 everyone work. Very good. 716 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,880 That's exciting. All right, let's go next. 717 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,920 Pass it down. Whoever's got the hot potato. 718 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,880 Who are you? Hold the microphone up. 719 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,960 Who are you? Where are you from and how did 720 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,360 you get into identity? Hi, my name is Francisco 721 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,560 Rodriguez, I'm from Portal from Portugal and I joined the 722 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:06,000 identity, the identity atmosphere space around 1314 723 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,160 months, not years like these guys, but months because Ricardo 724 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,800 here asked me to lead the, the business in Portugal. 725 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,280 So I've, I've been working in the in the main customers in 726 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,120 Portugal for the past 25 years. And I, I fell in love with the 727 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,280 cybersecurity space, all the consulting part that's behind 728 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,600 it, all the security parts. I'm an engineer by by training 729 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,440 and optimist by nature. And, and I really love this 730 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,240 conversation with the clients and I really feel that that the 731 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,040 like Sam was saying, the the the cybersecurity part is, is, is 732 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,800 evolving, it's shaping and we're like on the top of the wave now. 733 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,200 So it's feeling very interesting to be going to this non human 734 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,520 identities, gentic AI, all of this new stuff that's coming 735 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,600 around, very hot topics to be working on now. 736 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,360 So Francisco, you said that you've been in identity for just 737 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,760 a few months now. Did I hear that right? 738 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,240 Not. A few no. 14/14/14 OK, come on. 739 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,200 OK. So many. 740 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,840 Many, many, many, many. Months. 741 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,600 So when? How does your viewpoint of 742 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,360 identity change over the last 14 months? 743 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,240 Very good question. I know. 744 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,520 They should do a podcast. I should do a podcast. 745 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,640 That's a great. Idea because honestly, I wasn't 746 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,160 aware of, of this human and non human identities. 747 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440 It really changed the way I feel about it. 748 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,840 And when I talk with, with previous clients that I, that I 749 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,360 know personally, there's always an angle that somebody's is 750 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,600 missing. So the point of, of the, the, 751 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,680 the security part in identity really becomes very crucial. 752 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,800 It's it's a very hot topic nowadays. 753 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,280 Excellent. OK, Next. 754 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,800 All right. Who are you? 755 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,520 Where are you from? How did you get into identity? 756 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,160 Hi, my name is Ricardo Martis. I work from Lisbon and travel to 757 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,120 are there countries in Europe where we are present? 758 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,920 How did I started identity? So I actually started as a pen 759 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,800 tester. So it seemed by the 22 years ago 760 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,400 more or less that the people that really knew about identity 761 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,760 repositories and stuff, they, they, they were like hackers And 762 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,400 I, I was fit for that purpose. And and so I started working 763 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,040 with Send Sun Microsystems, which was later acquired by 764 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,480 Oracle. We got some really old people on 765 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,200 this. Exactly. 766 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,560 Yeah, I'm good looking as well, right. 767 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,440 So, but the point was I did start like with Sun and then the 768 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,560 reason why I was chosen to do that was because I used to do a 769 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,120 lot of a lot of hacking on on Sun Aldap and identity Systems. 770 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,680 So I was a good fit for purpose on that, on that role. 771 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,200 Yeah, that was it. That's pretty cool. 772 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,080 So that that shift from basically offensive, right, 773 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,600 attacking things. What was something that you 774 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,000 would like? Oh, I'm definitely going to get 775 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,520 into this because this identity thing wasn't done. 776 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,400 Like what I think about here is like a control. 777 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640 Was it like MFA was like a bad password? 778 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,440 Was it like, what was your like? Oh yeah, these guys don't know 779 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,920 what they're. Doing reality and actually 10 780 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,960 years after it was, and I believe it still is with some 781 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,640 colleagues actually doing that is that you can actually start, 782 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,120 you can go and work on a company and two days later you can be 783 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,960 the, the administrator of the, of the Active Directory in so 48 784 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,360 hours. It's actually quite common. 785 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,280 So and when you do like red team and you actually try to do that, 786 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,040 that's actually still the case. So it's still, it's different 787 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,640 technologies, different solutions, different problems. 788 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,480 But at the end of the day, you can still gather all the 789 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,640 identity information of everyone inside an organization and then 790 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,880 can be done externally and internally. 791 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,440 So it's still pretty scary. So it's still a big problem. 792 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,120 So it's still lots of things to do. 793 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,160 OK, well, you're just a real fountain of joy. 794 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,360 Appreciate it. It's my pleasure. 795 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,320 My pleasure all. Right, let's pass it down. 796 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,160 All right. Who are you, where are you from, 797 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,320 and how did you get into identity? 798 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,680 Hi my name is Gabriel. I work for Securex as Acro and 799 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,960 we are part of the wonderful Ellerety family and I'm from 800 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,360 Switzerland. OK, so that was very brief. 801 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,840 All right, let's go to the next person. 802 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,720 No, I don't. I don't told you why I'm in 803 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,360 identity. OK. 804 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,600 Oh yeah. So why are you when I? 805 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,080 Do that. Yeah, I'm in identity. 806 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:32,120 To be honest it's it's like a by accident but as when I was in I 807 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,840 liked it and I stayed now for more than 10 years. 808 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,200 It chose you. Yeah, it chose you, right? 809 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,480 Yeah, that's that's my my standing theory for six years 810 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,360 now. So what keeps you in identity? 811 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,360 Yeah. For for me, identity is the 812 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:56,560 central point of everything when it comes to, to any processes 813 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:06,000 in, in IT, in IT teams, in IT driven companies and what we 814 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,520 need to more focus on identity because it's a central point of, 815 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,360 of everything. Well, you can't use Identity 816 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,160 Center. That's trademark. 817 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,160 So find something else to say. All right, let's go to the next 818 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,560 person all the way down at the very end. 819 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,360 Who are you? Where are you from and how did 820 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,200 you get into identity? My name is Christopher. 821 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,720 I'm from America or the US. Where in America? 822 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,040 Pennsylvania, OK. So northeast. 823 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,080 So Eagles. Northeast. 824 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,040 Eagles fan. You have to be a Steelers fan if 825 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,760 you're. From Pittsburgh. 826 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:38,680 Pittsburgh. I didn't hear that. 827 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,040 Sorry. I don't know if I said that. 828 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,520 I'm very sorry by the way, I'm not a. 829 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,880 Steelers fan? That's OK, but I got into IAM, 830 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,520 or identity security about seven years ago. 831 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,800 I worked for a financial institution in the US and yeah, 832 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,800 I mean, identity is the the main focus point and internal 833 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,640 security is just as important as cybersecurity. 834 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,160 And This is why I got into it, is to learn a lot about 835 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,480 identities and how to protect them. 836 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,120 And yeah, absolutely. What's the hardest thing about 837 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,280 identity from your perspective? What is the hardest thing about 838 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,240 identity? The person, Right. 839 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,960 Like, I mean, individual human. Yeah, exactly. 840 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,680 You know, you can teach people, but if they don't listen, then 841 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,520 yeah, I mean, you can't. Humans. 842 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,720 Are going to human exactly absolutely all right so let's do 843 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,400 a quick cheers here thank you all for joining us here thank 844 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,920 you for being an identity here thank you thank you thank you 845 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,800 cheers cheers cheers all right salute thank you everybody. 846 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,440 I will pass it down, yeah. You've been listening to 847 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,320 Identity at the Center. We hope you've enjoyed the show. 848 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,640 Make sure to like, rate and review, and we'll be back soon. 849 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,160 But in the meantime, hit the website at 850 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:11,520 identity@thecenter.com. 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