This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with I
am this is the go-to podcast. Now your host Jim McDonald and
Jeff Steadman welcome to the identity of the center podcast
I'm Jeff and that's Jim. Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you?
Oh, not so bad yourself. I'm doing good and true to form
even though we're doing a Jim and Geoff So today I've got a
banter topic and I did not tell you what the topic was going to
be but it's a multiple choice question, right?
We're going into Memorial Day. Weekend is the beginning of the
summer travel season in the US and you know travels just going
to be a bunker. So this episode is going to drop
all Monday. Still part of that weekend, is a
travel related question and the multiple choices which of these
three things. Would you be first to give up?
Okay, so the first one is TSA Pre.
The second one is your Delta Club access however you would be
able to get it in there, just give it up.
You can't go. And then the third thing is your
status on Delta. The thing that I had at least
willing to give up, that's the question or which one of those
will, which one would you give up?
And go ahead and do it in order which is the one that you would
hold most dear? Well, I would definitely keep
pre-check. I mean It's the one thing that's
Universal least for me. I would fly right in and not
have to worry about laptop out of bags shoes know that stuff
that's for me. That's the most important thing.
I think the club is probably second most important.
Just so there's a place to sit down, do some work, food,
beverage, whatever, maybe I don't really think I have great
status with Delta. Anyway, I've inherited most of
it from a transition from United where I had the status, but most
of the fights are Anyway, and depending on when you book, I'm
not like, I think I'm Platinum right now, but it really doesn't
get you anything other than you can book Comfort Plus for free,
which is like the premium premium economy.
It's still economy. So yeah, that's I think that's
so the one I'm willing to give up is Airline status because
most of the flights I'm booking these days.
It's pretty rare that there's a comfort plus.
I just booked a flight to Denver yesterday and there are no
Comfort plus seats to book. So, I'm gonna be stuck in the
back and it's fine. Grab either a window or an
aisle. And, you know, try to look for
maybe a upgrade to a exit row seat to have a little more room
but I mean air travel just sucks anyway.
So unless you're flying first class or like business class.
It sucks. Yeah, what about really tough
questions? Really tough question, right?
Because all those things are things that we as frequent.
Flyers cherish. I'm actually the exact opposite
really rather keep your status. Yeah, I figure, we'll take your
laptop and you want to take your shoes off.
I mean, I guess the pinion well I guess spend your don't want to
do. This thing's pretty good.
Don't want to do this things yanno and but I feel like if you
have status with the airline, even if you wind up in like a
bad seed or whatever, if you fly an airline without any status,
It's like the Wild Card, you're just you're just another head on
the, on the plane. I don't know, I made some cat
piece of meat in the kettle crisps just taking up space on
the plane. The other thing is, I saw a
video the other day that talked about, you know, it was on
YouTube and they had a very click Beatty title which was
that airlines are actually Banks.
Now that the way that they make money is through their frequent
flyer program and specifically People getting their credit
cards and things like that and that's how they make money.
There are frequent flyer programs are worth billions and
their flights basically break even if they're lucky, I could
see that. Yeah, I think that makes sense
try to diversify to, but yeah, I can't imagine if you're flying,
you know, anywhere for a few hundred bucks to cover.
The costs of that, you have to really be at scale.
And I don't know, I don't know the economics behind it, but I
guess that doesn't surprise. Surprise me given how important
credit cards are two Airlines. Yeah, you know, the other thing
with the club, I definitely appreciate the club.
I think Delta's clubs are pretty good, but I don't think they're
like, you know, breathtaking or anything, right?
It's like, you know, I think back in the day, they had
showers in them, which I, some still do probably, I probably
wouldn't use them anyway. Yeah.
Go to the club and take a shower.
I mean if I flew overnight, I think I would but I never really
do that. So that's not a benefit that I
care about the other thing that I don't like about the club is
like, if you fall asleep in your chair, somebody will come and
wake you up because you're not allowed to sleep in the club.
So I don't think I love this club.
You want to keep it moving. I mean, the Delta clubs that
then they were real problem towards the end of last year,
like, lines out the door, like, Club at Atlanta which is a hub
which okay, I got it Lana's a busy but heck, I'm paying what
$500 $600 for United for United, for a Delta Club.
I expect to be able to use it and there was like five or six
trips in a row where it's like I'm not standing in line for
half an hour of my 90-minute layover you know just to get in
to get a free drink in some average food.
Yeah. You don't even drink alcohol.
So right? Yeah.
I you know I do. The other thing is, like, what
used to be for club? For me was like, it was a
sanctuary from the terminal. The terminal was just like chaos
you going to Club you'll but you understand is Delta clubs.
It's just like it's not just a big it's more chaotic than
terminal so might as well go to a restaurant and have somebody
bring me food or is it the bar or whatever you know if it's a
couple hour layover. But the thing now, Delta is if
you show up at the airport like sometimes I fly rid of Atlanta,
most of the time. I'm and if you get there are
more than three hours from your departure, you can't come into
the club. I guess what they're trying to
do, is what you're talking about earlier, prevent people from
coming to the club and sitting there all day, and just eating
their food and drink their drinks or whatever.
Take a slice. Yeah, yeah.
Now that moving to see you say, pre is a great, right?
Not having to take your shoes off, things like that.
But I think, I don't know what it feels like to get by without
it, but I think I could Well, you go II guess I fly out of a
small airport now so it's less of a less of a thing.
But when I was in Chicago, it was a big difference between
going through the pre-check line and then not pre-check line.
Yeah, you know, well, dozens of minutes is sometimes hours.
Yeah. Yeah.
Protect. You just kind of Flowery time.
I also have clear to so, you know, when you have clear and
pre-check if you're at a place that has both which is not too
common. Unfortunately, for me these days
that's like a skip the lines, skip the line, Yeah, well dull
said, Atlanta has the thing with the rapid musher what's called.
But essentially just looks at your face.
When you walk up, you bypass every line.
It's even quicker than clear. Just a point a camera at your
face and do their magic. So I'm not sure what technology
is using. I like your face and I tell you
in, I like your face, get out of here, as a digital identity
podcast. We probably should know these
things. Maybe we can get some Come on,
tell us about it. I know ID Mia does a lot of it
seems like airport security type stuff.
I see their logo on a bunch of stuff at like pre-check so maybe
there's some way we can pull on from there.
Get on track and get on that. Yeah that's my job for the
podcast. Yeah.
What are going to talk about today?
We're going to talk about my Denver's which I guess
technically is starting tomorrow.
For people listening to this, we're recording this on a Friday
morning for Memorial Day weekend here in the US.
I'm you and I are actually We both flying on Monday to Las
Vegas identity versus kicks off its like 4 o'clock local time.
I think something like that in at the Aria casino in Las Vegas
so we'll be there and we're going to kind of talk through
today about what the podcast plans are because we got a few
different things going on. Hopefully people come by and say
hello when they see us and then some of the sessions, I think
that you and I are both interested in assuming that you
will. Let me go to a session instead
of holding me up into I'm doing recordings and editing all week.
Well, yeah, our our schedules not as bad as I usually make it
right. Wherever it is.
Not thank you. Like hey, Jeff by the way, on
Wednesday. We're recording five episodes.
Yeah. And oh, by the way we need to
get those five episodes out of next couple days, I don't think
we're going to do that this time, right?
We're going to kind of stretch them out a little bit.
Yeah I mean look this year we're we both have some vacations
coming up you know? And the July 4th holiday is
right around the corner. So we're going to record Toward
a bunch at again, diverse. And we'll have a bit of a towel
from that, and we'll spread those episodes.
We drop an episode every Monday, you know, usually, by the time I
wake up, I already see the LinkedIn post from you that the
episodes out there and available.
Yeah. So what can you that kind of
that role? But yeah, sort of the plan is to
instead of our normal conversing really likes matter.
A bunch of shows every day. I think just to keep one sanity
so that I can actually enjoy the conference and attend things but
also Like you mentioned the vacation topic that I'm going to
London in a couple weeks. So I've been on the road quite a
bit. For the last few weeks I've got
I was, where was I? This week, I was in Harrisburg
this week. Pennsylvania.
I'm going to Vegas next week or this week I should say pending
on when you're listening to this and then I go to Denver the week
after that. And then I think I might be home
for a week and then I'm going to London for two weeks for
vacation. So, yeah, my schedule is pretty
crap for meetings until the end of June.
What's London, like in June is going to be like super hot.
I'm not sure. I think it's probably, you know,
approaching the warm aside, I have to ask our friend, Andy
hindle. Well, we're at identifiers going
to try and see if we can sync up with him for.
I don't know, beer, T something what tea and crumpets?
Yeah, exactly. Speaking of crumpets, we're
going to be in Vegas, you know. Obviously the link link is
forging crumpets and That's right.
You know, I was thinking of a restaurant called Yardbird and
you love Yardbird best chicken and waffles I've ever had and I
am looking forward to it, man. That's chicken and waffles, best
chicken waffles, and also best biscuits, and I've lived in the
South for like 15 years. And I've never had biscuits as
because they have so definitely hitting that up.
What do you think of Vegas overall?
I like Vegas and as people don't like it but I don't have, you
know, the Any serious vices like drinking and gambling.
So for me it's you know, seeing the sights people watching, you
know, the conference. I think it's I think it's a
great conference on because everything so convenient you
know, hotel rooms are easy to get to and stuff like that.
But the food and really just people watching.
So I'm looking forward to I'll be there all week so don't think
I'd leave until like Saturday. So I think my record is 14 days
in Vegas. That's way too long.
It sounds like a long time but it was you No, I had a
conference one week and then wedding was coming up like a few
days. I've had rather than just
criss-crossing you know within two weeks.
I just stayed an extra 45 days. I remember that.
Yeah but I like Vegas I maybe I'm in the minority these days
but I do like it I do like that. It's become much easier to
breathe inside the casinos because of the air filtration
and is less smoking and stuff like that but yeah I still like
it. I'm a Vegas and I'd like pretty
much the things that you like, but on top of that, the amount
of entertainment that's their things to do.
Yeah. I mean, I'm a big fan of food.
I don't gamble much these days. I don't have any real like
stories of like, oh my gosh, I went in there and lost thousands
of dollars or anything and I, I really don't over drink when I'm
in Vegas, are try not to it's just really not my thing as much
anymore. These days.
I find that That especially early in the week.
If you're there for a conference, you start drinking
alcohol at like, it's just, yeah, it's not a party.
I mean, we're two Grumpy Old Men, probably at this point.
So if it's your first time going, first time in Vegas pace
yourself, moderate pace yourself, but enjoy yourself.
It is a great time. There are a lot of things to do.
See, go to the restaurants, I mean, hit Yardbird up its at the
Venetian which is really kind of the other right now.
Not too close, I guess to REO where I'd ever says, but it's a
good spot. I think if you're going to go
just, you know, come on Uber, as there's probably more Ubers per
square feet in Vegas than anywhere else on the strip and
get around and see some things. Yeah.
And if you're lucky I'll get one of the self-driving curse.
There's a couple that make the circuit through Vegas so well,
yeah, I'm not sure if Lyft and Uber still doing it but I know
there's a long another company that does but when you and
sometimes you'll see an opt-in if you're if you're willing to
you know, have a self-driving car which I've done.
It's very, very cool. I did it like three years ago
and it was interesting. Yeah, it worked.
Well, we got there. I wonder what you do if you get
in an accident you sit there and you wait I mean there's a human
in the car. So it's not like it's completely
self-driving. But there is a human operator,
but they just they don't they're just there to as a safety
mechanism. Okay?
Yeah. It's like kind of I got a Tesla
with autopilot. Yeah.
We see a human in the car. So, safety mechanism.
Now someday we may look at this, like the opposite of that.
Yeah, exactly, yeah. So I'm looking forward to the
conference as well. I mean, I love identity and
access management conferences and we'll call them that
anymore. Is that that I am conferences
and identity conference, but I love like, seeing all the people
that we know I think since the podcast has been, we're running
almost four years now. There is obviously the whole
pandemic, period, but now that we're back and I think we have
more people who are aware of the podcast, listen to podcasts on a
regular basis. You know, we're people who know
us, come up, we get to see all the folks.
We're meeting new people. It's it's great.
By the way, we keep growing by before you move on, because they
just kind of cool story. I was at a sale Point thing, in
Charlotte a few weeks ago, I guess.
At this point. Wait, and it was a small
gathering, it was kind of like a, you know, hey, here's kind of
what's coming up, stuff like that.
I'm sitting off to the corner. Just doing my own thing that
really, you know, trying to draw attention myself.
But I have my laptop and have the sticker on it.
I had of the eight people in the room.
Three came up and introduced themselves and told me there was
hers, which is super cool. It was always very, very cool to
have that experience. But people are out there
listening, which is very cool, but I thought that was pretty
neat. And then we got in somehow, we
got into a conversation with the sale point.
People kind of after the session was over about the heat death of
the universe. It was a very wide-ranging
conversation as we as it typically happens in the end any
world. But I thought that was really
fun. And interesting.
Now creates that you have the sticker on your laptop but I
wonder how many people who follow the podcast actually know
our faces. So they these folks are so lucky
as to those are some crazy guys. Yeah.
I don't know. I'm I Count Their Blessings that
they haven't seen us. It's a maybe even a minor curse
if they have to listen to us. But yeah, I uh I don't know.
The I guess the anonymity of a audio podcast is nice but you
can always go on our website. Idac podcast.com, right?
And see our pictures on the about page and whether or not
they are current with whatever our haircuts or facial hair or
styles are try to keep them updated, but yeah.
Well we had that that live stream going for a while and we
kind of abandoned that because it would be like we do a live
stream, put it on YouTube Two Weeks Later had 14 views while
it's just so hard with the timing.
We couldn't find a like a good time and I mean it's already a
real challenge. This is not our day job, right?
We do this on the side outside of our normal day job doing
identity and access management consulting.
So, and with all the travel and, you know, stuff like that, it's
it. It's really difficult to try and
find like a specific time to say.
Every week we're going to do that this time and I think I'd
love to try and get back into it, but I just don't know when
we could fit in or be consistent with it, right?
I think the other challenge that people don't get because my tell
my son about our podcast, and obviously, he's never listened
but like why don't you guys do video?
I'm like, well, it's not software.
That makes it easy to live stream video.
As well as do a quality of recording.
I can find ways around that but yeah, we just haven't done that.
I think it sets a different level, I think of expectation of
the videos. I'm okay with it.
I think you'll be okay with it, but I think a lot of our guests
would prefer maybe not to be on video or maybe 50/50, so to kind
of keep it easy and that's a whole different level of editing
as well. So, I do the editing to audio
settings. One thing adding video to, it
would take exponentially longer GE.
Probably by the time it got out to the Quality level that I want
the difference between a recording at a live stream is I
feel like hey why is stream? It is what it is.
Like, there's not gonna be any editing to it.
This is this how it happened and that's what you're going to see.
Jim said this beep. Yeah let's talk a bit more about
identifiers because like we've got a few different things going
on. We get in Monday, we've got
Tuesday, which is kind of the official first day, got the
opening keynote and then we're going to be doing some
recording. Live in front of a Wandering
studio audience. I'm going to call it just
outside the expo hall. We're supposed to start at 7:00.
There is going to be our logo somewhere.
I haven't seen it yet, but all I know is we'll have a table, some
chairs and the identity of the center logo, somewhere outside.
The expo hall area at the Aria, and we've got a few different
guests, kind of lined up to kind of come through and draw cans.
Yeah, drop-ins panels, whatever it may be, if there's people in
the audience that we want to ask questions to, you know, Of the,
you know, what's call it to people that might be watching us
or one or like, who the heck are those guys?
Hopefully more. But yeah we'll be recording just
outside the expo hall at 7:00 probably getting.
They're setting up sometime between like 6:00 and 6:30 just
to make sure that I've got everything ready to go for
microphones and recording and stuff like that but hopefully
we'll see. People stop by and say hello.
Maybe be part of the show. Yeah.
Yeah I can't I can't wait for that, you know.
We and it's not just something that we're doing is like Oh
yeah, we're like popping up a table outside of the extra.
All this is space. Those granted to us is being set
up by the identifiers conference.
So and everybody that we're having is droppings or not the
people that are going to be recording with during the week,
a few of them are like Ian. But you know what?
With Ian it's like we want to have him on the show anytime we
can because it's like he's such a good speaker and he's like
these really insightful ideas. So really looking forward to
that. After we do that opening
session, we'll have our shutdown time and get to shake hands and
meet folks. And by the way, I will have the
identity of Center stickers, which can be placed anywhere,
anywhere of your choosing, you put them on your car, throw your
laptop, lead you put on your coffee cup, your child's
forehead, doesn't matter. That might not be so good, but
if you do put a picture on on LinkedIn.
Yeah. And we will I will.
Share it or reposted. Whatever they call it.
Yeah. So far I think I like the best
location I've seen is our friend Stevens on the back of his truck
and he's got like two or three, I think on there.
He's got, he's got a, your trailer trailer.
Yeah. Yeah, trailer.
He's got like all kinds of stickers, these kind of like a,
you know, an old-school hippie. But in the tech industry, I kind
of consider myself that that to its greater than extent.
He still lives in easing, like Washington State, but yeah, that
was Was that was one of the best, but I've seen a few other
good ones to our friend, Dan Cabrera.
But one on his coffee mug, as shared that the other day,
someone said, I want one of those coffee mugs click.
Well, I can help you with the sticker part, but you're not to
buy the coffee mug yourself, right?
It's a transfer transferable to any coffee mug of your choice.
Well, your choice and so afterwards, if we, you know,
shake hands and kiss babies and 8:30 that night, we're going to
have a are co-sponsoring our company.
Sam is co-sponsoring with octane.
One Cosmos, a happy hour at the Aria Hotel.
Bar is check out my LinkedIn feet of already.
Shared the registration page. It's a little bit late in the
game by the time this drops. But go out and register.
I mean, I think there's like, you know, fire capacity code
like, you know, they can have more than a certain number of
people in the area. So yeah, it's not like I said no
one cares cares. Well fire.
I yeah I mean I don't think 75 people in a small bars and make
a dent in the overall Aria population.
So anyway, that's what that's the way it is.
What about Thursday night because this is something you've
been sort of like Grassroots pulling together which is
interesting. I'll also like the fact that you
committed me to it and I was like, no, I'm not so sure yet.
But yes, I will be there. Tell us about Thursday night.
Yeah, yeah. So Thursday night, you know, I
feel like all the H events are like sponsored by vendors which
is fine. I enjoy those sponsored events
and accurate but I really want to go karaoke singing and
there's a live band. Karaoke, Thursday nights at a
bar in the Venetian called Rock house.
And there's no cover, you know, basically just show up if you
want to order drinks or food, or whatever, do it on your own
dimes, not going to be, you know, covered by anybody, but
But be a bunch of people from their Denver's conference
showing up, hopefully at least Jeff and I will be there and
just get up and sing, or watch other people join me on the
bench watching because I am not singing.
No matter. If your pressure, I'm going to
throw that right now. I am immune to peer pressure, so
don't even try it. I don't expect you to get up
there. There's no part of me that
expects you to get up. They don't want me up there.
Let's just put it that way. I don't want to be there.
You don't want me there. Let's just have a good time,
especially, cool. I mean it's something different,
right? So I said, it's not sponsor, my
buddies just kind of come going to come as you are.
There's no like sales things or anything like that.
No one's going to like collect your badge and send you 48,
different emails right on sash for using their services.
Write that kind of thing, just come hang out, have a good time
kind of decompress and you know, hopefully be amongst like-minded
people. Yeah, exactly.
I mean I kind of feel like, oh, it's always great to go to
sponsored events but I mean, You know, you ought to this karaoke
thing, no cover. What are you gonna spend a
couple bucks on a few drinks? I'd say Vegas might be a little
late. So yeah, right exactly what
couple bucks on per drink, right toe box on a Coke, may be on a
Coke. Exactly.
But I think it'll be a lot of fun whether you like to sing or
not. If it strikes a tune with you,
go for it. Either sir 99 30-ish on Thursday
night. Okay.
And that's at the van, Action. So, the Rockhouse bar at the
Venetian, which is probably wanna grab an Uber to go over
there or it's probably a decent sized walk.
Yeah. Get that spot.
But yeah, we're planning on hitting there around 9:30 or so.
And join me on the bench. We can enjoy ourselves and, and
have a vendor neutral sponsor free conversations.
It's right next to the yard bird.
Yeah, I'm gonna be there early. So I'm gonna be at the yard,
we're probably getting some chicken and waffles and Then I'm
going to hit rock bar. Yeah, that's a great plan.
That's what we've got going on for stuff.
We've got a bunch of good guess that are lined up.
That that Jim has worked painstakingly to craft.
Do we want to mention something? Obviously, it's always something
to change, just never know with cancellations, but you want to
kind of go through what we've at least as of right now.
Got planned. Yeah, yeah.
So I'm afraid to have to mention this right because things had
changed. People could be sick and not
able to make it to the conference or watch a couple
already. Yeah.
I'm going to go through the, yeah, exactly.
I'm going to go through them in current.
The order that we're recording. So from the one Cosmo seem, we
got Mike angle who's going to be returning.
Guests will be, I think it's third appearance but the last
time he was on talking about self Sovereign ID, oh wait.
You know, before I even go into too much depth on individual
sessions. So I've been I had this like
crazy idea which imagine that Jim Jim McDonald was a crazy
idea right ever happened, so I wanted to focus all of our
podcasts recordings that we on the future, what are things
going to be like in the future? And so I've been calling it
Nostradamus week. So what we take a topic like
self Sovereign, id decentralized id identity wallets, we talked
with folks from one cosmas about that.
It's not a big fixation on, you know, where are things that now?
How does it work? Like no, like in three to five
years. How's life going to be
different? We're going to be walking around
these self Sovereign IDs we're going to have these identity
wallets. How's that going to be different
than the wallet I have on my iPhone, you know, because I'm
still like grappling with that I'm still not sure.
I completely understand it. So that's one of our sessions.
Another one is like to me like really exciting.
So we're going to have and Raider and CEO and co-founder or
I think he's just maybe one and only founder, but we'll say
founder or co-founder of ping. Will find that out during the
app. How do I do a research?
Like yeah. When we or through researchers,
as we get his identity origin story?
And I mean, I just want to get his insights across a lot of
different identity topics, how things are going to be in the
future. All right, then we have gal.
Hello, I'm ski from plain' id plain', id is an Relation
company. So they're going to be shooting
me talking. She talks a lot about P back
policy policies. Yeah, policy based access
control and how that is the same or different?
From our back and a back but even more than that.
How are things going to be in the future?
Like is this this game changing technology?
We're talking about is this going to replace our back or put
a big dent in our back you know it feels like identity
practitioners. Hold on.
Strongly to our back because we all do it.
I think what's great about our back is like, we understand it,
that side of its are obvious. How it's done?
Is it makes sense? Let's explain to you.
So this policy based access control?
Is it going to change the game for gals perspective is yes, but
we'll see you, right? That's why we're having the
conversation and then last but not least, Ian Glazer from Ida
Pro. Come on and talk about how
things are going to be in the future and one of the questions
is artificial I tell intelligence blah blah blah blah
blah. So now you fill in the blank.
What is the blah, blah blah blah.
So yeah, really looking forward to this sessions and the idea is
that each one of those sessions would drop over the course of
the month of June one per week. Yeah while we're on vacation
stuff like that so gives it a break.
You are very Very concerned about missing a week, as I can,
you know, we put out what 60, maybe 70, sometimes episodes per
year, we can drop a week but no, you can.
Thank Jim. Every every Monday come rain or
shine. There is give me an episode, so
that's what happens. Well, think about.
So this would put us up to episode what 219 by the end of
June? Something like that.
Yeah, for years, every Monday, we've dropped episode.
I, we took would take off like that.
As in like New Year's and stuff like that.
Yeah and the number 219, I think is more than 4 times 52 because
we go to conferences and do some extra episodes.
But yeah I mean other than that break we take over the holiday
which were always very clear about we don't just like Miss
episodes because we get busy, we don't miss Monday drop.
So I think that's that's not just you know, I don't get all
the credit for that. You you're the one who does all
the work too. To make this happen in terms of
the editing and getting things published and getting it on
LinkedIn and everything. So, it's a team effort.
All right, let's keep going. Before he sells, congratulate
ourselves to death. We're doing a great job.
What about sessions this week? I know I've got like five,
that's kind of picked out over a couple of days.
Do you have anything that you've got your eye on that?
You're looking at attending. So, I've got a framework by
which Looked at the sessions and say, for CDs, for the horse, you
have a framework for it framework.
So, anything that was futuristic because of the Nostradamus week
theme any sessions tagged AS application of identity.
I love, you know, sessions that are focused on, you know, real
world use cases, where people have actually taken some of
these Technologies, especially at the newer Technologies and
implemented them or a no. A unique use case session.
If I people that, we know, especially our listeners and
guests sessions with introduction to in the title.
So, like introduction to pass keys, or introduction to self
Sovereign, ID. Like, I love when someone can
take a complex topic and boil it down to somebody, who knows
nothing about it. And I want to hear that, even if
I already understand that topic in depth, I want to How to
message it more clearly, so that somebody who's new to the topic
and can pick it up. Speaking of past, he's pretty
fun. Have you have you set up any
passkeys yet? No, I did for Google and it's
great. Yeah, I like it.
So I'm looking forward to more support, but if you have not set
up a passkey, you can set it up and your Google account now.
And once you do it, basically just shows up on your always for
me on the iPhone as part of your Or your keychain and no password
you just get right in if indicates you right there, it
works great. So congratulations to Google
getting that rolled out and find out.
But I just had to say that because I had, I just set mine
up. I want to say like maybe within
the last seven to ten days and I had to re Afeni Kate to it if I
saw earlier this morning and it was like super smooth and super
easy and it worked, as you expect it to.
How did you figure out how to do it?
I got an email, I think actually from Google.
I knew they had announced it just hadn't gotten around to
doing it yet, but I went through, set it up, it's in the
goo. Security settings.
It's one of the options kind of saying here that you would set
up MFA and one of them is set up a ski and you go through a brief
enrollment process. This kind of like any other MFA
type of situation, right? It's like click here, scan this
code, do this thing and then, you know, verify your identity
on the device and then you're good to go.
That's it. What's neat?
Is that it doesn't require at least on the iPhone doesn't
require a separate app. So it's built into iOS and it's
part of the the keychain there. So now it's just Hey if you know
I get the prompt it's a native prompt that comes up with
educate through Biometrics on the phone and I'm in, that's it.
Very cool. The last part of my framework
was all things Fido pass keys and anything to do with securing
cloud and devops. And I did notice one session
from to Bora, they have a session referring to the machine
identities as workflow identities.
So I'm interested to sit in that session.
One thing I have a strong feeling that the management of
these machine identities and how to use, it's much more than a
much more of a framework than, just, a technology like Secrets
management. If the whole sessions about
Secrets management check and check out accounts like I'm
going to be pretty disappointed. So the last thing I would say is
that, you know, it wouldn't be me if I didn't log a complaint.
My complaint is that I wish I knew which sessions would be
available for offline viewing after the conference because you
know, a lot of times sessions, you know, there's more than one
session that looks interesting at the same time and I probably
go in person to the one that is not being recorded and watch the
record of one later. So just for for future, if
you're a conference planner out there setting up a future
identity conference. That's what I would like has a
future. Yeah, that's a comment by.
That's a common complaint with every, I think conference,
right? There's always competing
sessions which will do you go to it's expensive to do those
recordings and put them out there.
So certainly an added cost I think it's worth it but every
conference treats little bit different, I have no idea what
identify verse is doing this year.
But historically, they have made a lot of them available after
the fact through either YouTube or other mechanisms stuff like
that. So hopefully we see things
something similar this year. So what about you?
What are you looking forward to? To, I did not apply a framework.
The way I looked at it was like, okay, I want to look for
customer stories, things that are not vendor driven as much as
I could. So I took that as sort of like
my priority and I just pick topics that either.
I want to know more about or that.
I think might be interesting. You know, things like that.
There's one Mo kidnapped from ebony.
Love at McDonald's. I'll sing it here for you is the
only way to go but up up up, bottleneck addressing Crump
Being challenges at McDonald's, which I think would be
interesting to understand. You know, how, they, how they
rapidly onboard off-board people.
I think, is sort of the intention of it and I think
that's something a lot of companies are Sven.
So I'm kind of going that to look at it more from like a
fast-paced, you know, dynamic environment.
When you have to do that, quick onboarding off boring and see
what they did to tackle, it Eve mailer has that's on Wednesday,
he's mayor has one called can subsidiarity save Relation,
which is a real tongue twister of a title, one Eve's great.
So, booking further speak, but I'm one understand.
What does she mean by subsidiarity?
Because I'm still trying to wrap my head around still
decentralized and what are the different options that kind of
come along with that? Absolutely, that's on my list,
too. Yeah, Thursday, there is
something that I'm pretty interested in.
Identity in the c-suite, the role of the chief identity
officer, that's a panel I know of Going beyond that, as well as
Andy handle and and Hindu others.
Right? I don't know if it's a keynote
or not, but I like the idea of has identity and access
management as a function, within a company risen to a c-suite
level roll, like the Chief Information Security Officer or
the Chief Information officer or it officer right?
Things like that. What our organizations starting
to say, hey, yeah, we do need a chief identity officer, I like
the idea, but I want to see what the panel thinks about.
It and kind of helped inform my view of it as well.
It's a panel is listening. One thing I'd like to know is
like, what does that mean? Like if you say somebody's the
Chief privacy officer, what's the difference between that and
saying there are the director or VP of privacy?
I think I think privacy generally is more on the
regulation side of things typically whereas the identity
officer is something that supports that I'd, it's a great
question. I have no idea.
I know the rhyme What is the word chief mean?
This is the word chief mean, like, is that something
different than just being in charge of and being a VP.
When I see the word Chief, I think c-suite, you are in charge
of something for the organization and the buck stops
with you, you're the chief executive officer CEO, you know,
whatever that looks like and maybe that's a good thing, bad
thing. I like the idea of identity
having a much higher visibility roll with more pull.
Because a lot of times identity is kind of shoved in under
typically information security in the sea, so kind of typically
represents it, but maybe it's, you know, the CIO, it does some
it as well. But if this moves identity up
the stack into the corporate hierarchy, I think that's a good
idea. I'm in favor of that.
Yeah. So obviously obviously right
Dad. No, I'm not, I ask the
questions. A few truly just don't know.
Yeah, I don't think anybody knows.
I, I don't know of anybody who was a chief identity officer.
And what I'll call the real world, maybe at like an identity
company or something like that. Like our friend of the friend of
the show. David mati is the chief identity
officer had Trends with security and identity company.
Yeah, that's a real world. Damn it?
Yeah, well, I separate identity, people, identity vendors and
people like you. And I in the Consulting business
into, you know, the real world. Our Enterprise people in the
real world, who are you? The not software vendors are not
doing consulting services there. There are solving the real
identity problems in the real world.
Yeah. The practitioners.
Yep. So that's why I'm looking
forward to. There's another one with Pamela
Dingle and tia Loudon from I think Microsoft.
I don't Pamela's with Microsoft think they're both from
Microsoft history is written by the anomalies know the numbers
or be the news that's on Thursday as well.
I always liked facts and figures I mean they're great for kind of
pointing out things. Obviously you know, one
understand the data behind that but hopefully there'll be some
new facts and figures that kind of point you to help articulate.
Why identity is important or Facets of identity are important
to people especially in the kind of role that I play.
And then on Friday, one thing that I am always looking to do
is how we develop new identity Talent.
So Aaron Crow who has been on the show before as well.
So I didn't just pick people who show, but I like the topic
building the plane while flying or how to develop new identity
talent. I think that's, that's a big
risk for a lot of organizations is, how do you find the right
people and how do you find train?
You know, how do you, how do you get your people just being
SeaWorld. Right?
You and I are working us in our day jobs, right?
How do we make sure that our teams are staffed trained, you
know experts you know in a given area that kind of thing and
every organization kind of subtle suffers with that so I'm
looking to see look forward to see what Aaron says maybe she's
got some tips and tricks for us that we can take back into the
real show. She you got some real insightful
ideas so I think that's one thing.
Like I read the description of the eaves presentation and the
what did he call it subsidiaries.
I don't even know what that is, but if I know anything about
he's freezing tations are walk out of it, knowing what that is.
And so, that's what I really love is like, take that complex
hobby that I don't understand. Now at make me understand it so
there may be specific shove the knowledge into your brain, make
me pay attention, Okay? So there are a few that that
struck a chord. With me, one was I think it's on
Tuesday, 2023 Trends in securing digital identities.
There are two friends of the show, Tom Sheffield from Target,
Jeff Reich from idsa as well as a few other obviously bright
folks who are going to be talking about these secure about
these Trends. I love Trends.
Zero trust architecture for b2c identity and at General Motors
and your Cameron. He's not a current friend of the
show but Talk to him a lot on LinkedIn.
So really should be a friend of the show.
So Andrew, we need to talk about that but looking forward to your
talk folks, from Visa are presenting, IGA strategies for
achieving least privilege. And obviously this something
that I've been picking a lot on lately on the show now which of
these is the use of credit card or for so Dez.
A okay. These like not yeah not like a
Visa card but he's the like the Shane Company and then connect
the car identities to scale with someone dr.
Stephen venema, PhD from Fort Rock.
I had Ian's session on the, was the chief.
I'm sorry, this was on the ceremony.
So again, just kind of like, from the standpoint that he's
pretty insightful, but I think also, you can take something
that you think, you know, about and give a Twist to it.
You're like oh okay. I never thought of it that way.
This shot is doing a collision course ethics versus human
centered design in the new perimeter and I got a taste of
that human-centered design so I think I get that I think it
affects I think I've heard of that before but the new
parameter I'm not sure what that is but it is Sean's to Fantastic
presenter. And what a good presenter.
He is our friend David Maddie's doing a presentation Ation is a
time to panic. How attackers are leveraging
Chad gvt. And how to respond with
intelligent identity security. So I'll be there in honor of
you. Jeff president, Chachi fatigue.
I yeah. Vittorio's presenting on
verifiable credentials for the identity practitioner.
I think he's going to pull it down.
So even people like me can understand it.
I've got the eve session that you just talked about the
c-suite discussion. You It talked about, there's
also one from thales group resumes B2B.
I am a gap between modern demands and current practices
and, you know, B2B is kind of, like, one of my areas that I'm
pretty passionate about, and I am and then there's one house.
Hyatt, how high it is. Driving exceptional customer
experiences with modern phyto, pastoralist authentication.
And will be someone there from from Hyatt, someone there from
yubico. And then programming engineers,
how standard shape, the way we we work with just the rykor and
Justin is a future friend of the show is going to be on in July.
So keep tuned for that episode. He was actually recommended to
me by Mike would burn, who heard him on Victoria's podcast and
it's like, you got to get this guy on your show.
So I reached out to him, he's an IDP, remember that's it.
And, you know, the real rub is I just mentioned all those
sessions, it's going to be hard to attend all the sessions with
the recordings and everything. So I'm going to add them to my
agenda and get to as many as possible.
Yeah. The same thing I tried not to
kill myself this time. I'm going to spend a lot of time
back and forth doing recording episodes and probably the vendor
Hall and the couple of sessions that I've got targeted going
back and forth. But so you're going to be trying
to pick up free schwag. Now, I just have the Locking
stitches that I need to have with with folks.
I try to set an extremely low. Low expectation.
Level for schwag at conferences, these days.
I haven't seen anything really cool or interesting in a while,
actually. So hopefully, I'll be a
surprise, but if I find, if I keep my expectations low, it's
like, yeah, I don't need another t-shirt, or a camera cover or
anything like that. Like, almost under socks.
I'm not a sock guy that doesn't, it doesn't do anything for me
either. I know this actor, populate, the
stock population is out there. I get it, it's just not my
thing. I joined the sock movement like
10 years after it started, so kind of like behind the curve on
socks, but they're pretty cool. I like them.
All right, let's go ahead and wrap things up.
Hopefully people have saved trips out to Vegas.
Hopefully, we'll see people stop by our live wandering audience
session, 7 p.m. Tuesday night before we go what
you're going to be your karaoke song on Thursday night that
you're going to Be Belton out. So if you picked one yet, or you
have a couple. So, Denise is going to pick one
that will sing together and it'll minimize the part that I
have to do. Nobody wants to hear me sing a
three or four minutes. Well, I have not found anything
yet. I've heard she's fantastic so I
could forward to that. Did he says your girlfriend by
the way, right? Yes.
Exactly. And so this one thing to
prepare, so anybody who's planning on going out, who wants
to sing go out to the Rock House website, you can find it on
Google and they have a list of songs.
These are the live band. It's not like they're just
picking 10,000 songs from, you know the kairosoft library you
have like 40 50 songs to choose from.
So pick one that, you know, maybe listen to it a few times
before you go. That's that's all I've got.
What about you, Jeff? What are you hoping to hear?
You didn't, but you didn't name a song.
I think it's going to be a surprise.
It's going to be a surprise, okay?
Well, I'm not singing any song. So this is purely a question for
you. I'm hopeful that I'll hear maybe
some 90s Alternatives or Nirvana, some Pearl Jam, maybe
someones braved up there. Do maybe some Metallica or
Megadeath Ultra Brave. Maybe some corn.
Who knows, right? Oh, that's not gonna happen.
That gives you some insight into why I don't get on stage among
other reasons. All right, let's go ahead and
wrap it up for this week. Safe travels to everybody, you
know, make sure that everyone gets out there safe Sound come
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Jim. Any final final thoughts for
this, this episode. Yeah, so I got some feedback
about the opening jingle and people are glad to have it back.
Glad to have the guitar riff I, you know, when I created that I
don't have many years ago as well as now, I was like, okay,
well, I'm not musical at all. But let me try to put something
together and I was surprised at how many people commented when
we shift for episode 202, a different jingle.
So, yes, back by popular demand, but with a better voice over, I
mean, my voice over sucks. So I think people mostly like
the to do do, do, do do. I'm not turn that into a clip
and make that like a ringtone or something.
I tell you that. All right, connect with Jim, and
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