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This is identity at the center. 
If it has anything to do with I 

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am this is the go-to podcast. 
Now your host Jim McDonald and 

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Jeff Steadman welcome to the 
identity of the center podcast 

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I'm Jeff and that's Jim. 
Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you? 

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Oh, not so bad yourself. 
I'm doing good and true to form 

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even though we're doing a Jim 
and Geoff So today I've got a 

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banter topic and I did not tell 
you what the topic was going to 

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be but it's a multiple choice 
question, right? 

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We're going into Memorial Day. 
Weekend is the beginning of the 

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summer travel season in the US 
and you know travels just going 

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to be a bunker. 
So this episode is going to drop

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all Monday. 
Still part of that weekend, is a

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travel related question and the 
multiple choices which of these 

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three things. 
Would you be first to give up? 

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Okay, so the first one is TSA 
Pre. 

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The second one is your Delta 
Club access however you would be

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able to get it in there, just 
give it up. 

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You can't go. 
And then the third thing is your

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status on Delta. 
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willing to give up, that's the 
question or which one of those 

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will, which one would you give 
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And go ahead and do it in order 
which is the one that you would 

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hold most dear? 
Well, I would definitely keep 

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pre-check. 
I mean It's the one thing that's

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Universal least for me. 
I would fly right in and not 

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have to worry about laptop out 
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that's for me. 
That's the most important thing.

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I think the club is probably 
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Just so there's a place to sit 
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beverage, whatever, maybe I 
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status with Delta. 
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it from a transition from United
where I had the status, but most

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of the fights are Anyway, and 
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not like, I think I'm Platinum 
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get you anything other than you 
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which is like the premium 
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It's still economy. 
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so the one I'm willing to give 
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most of the flights I'm booking 
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It's pretty rare that there's a 
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I just booked a flight to Denver
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Comfort plus seats to book. 
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back and it's fine. 
Grab either a window or an 

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aisle. 
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maybe a upgrade to a exit row 
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but I mean air travel just sucks
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So unless you're flying first 
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It sucks. 
Yeah, what about really tough 

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questions? 
Really tough question, right? 

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Because all those things are 
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Flyers cherish. 
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really rather keep your status. 
Yeah, I figure, we'll take your 

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laptop and you want to take your
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I mean, I guess the pinion well 
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do. 
This thing's pretty good. 

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Don't want to do this things 
yanno and but I feel like if you

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have status with the airline, 
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bad seed or whatever, if you fly
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It's like the Wild Card, you're 
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the, on the plane. 
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piece of meat in the kettle 
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the plane. 
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video the other day that talked 
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YouTube and they had a very 
click Beatty title which was 

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that airlines are actually 
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Now that the way that they make 
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flyer program and specifically 
People getting their credit 

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cards and things like that and 
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their flights basically break 
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see that. 
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try to diversify to, but yeah, I
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you know, anywhere for a few 
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The costs of that, you have to 
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guess that doesn't surprise. 
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credit cards are two Airlines. 
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with the club, I definitely 
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I think Delta's clubs are pretty
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like, you know, breathtaking or 
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It's like, you know, I think 
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showers in them, which I, some 
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wouldn't use them anyway. 
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Go to the club and take a 
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I mean if I flew overnight, I 
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do that. 
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care about the other thing that 
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like, if you fall asleep in your
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wake you up because you're not 
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You want to keep it moving. 
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like, lines out the door, like, 
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which okay, I got it Lana's a 
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$500 $600 for United for United,
for a Delta Club. 

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I expect to be able to use it 
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trips in a row where it's like 
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half an hour of my 90-minute 
layover you know just to get in 

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to get a free drink in some 
average food. 

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Yeah. 
You don't even drink alcohol. 

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So right? 
Yeah. 

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I you know I do. 
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used to be for club? 
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sanctuary from the terminal. 
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you going to Club you'll but you
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It's just like it's not just a 
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terminal so might as well go to 
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bring me food or is it the bar 
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couple hour layover. 
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you show up at the airport like 
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most of the time. 
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more than three hours from your 
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do, is what you're talking about
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coming to the club and sitting 
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their food and drink their 
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Take a slice. 
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Now that moving to see you say, 
pre is a great, right? 

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Not having to take your shoes 
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But I think, I don't know what 
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it, but I think I could Well, 
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small airport now so it's less 
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But when I was in Chicago, it 
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going through the pre-check line
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Yeah, you know, well, dozens of 
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Yeah. 
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Protect. 
You just kind of Flowery time. 

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I also have clear to so, you 
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pre-check if you're at a place 
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common. 
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that's like a skip the lines, 
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said, Atlanta has the thing with
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It's even quicker than clear. 
Just a point a camera at your 

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face and do their magic. 
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is using. 
I like your face and I tell you 

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in, I like your face, get out of
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podcast. 
We probably should know these 

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things. 
Maybe we can get some Come on, 

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tell us about it. 
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seems like airport security type
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I see their logo on a bunch of 
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there's some way we can pull on 
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Get on track and get on that. 
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What are going to talk about 
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We're going to talk about my 
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technically is starting 
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For people listening to this, 
we're recording this on a Friday

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morning for Memorial Day weekend
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I'm you and I are actually We 
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Vegas identity versus kicks off 
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I think something like that in 
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so we'll be there and we're 
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today about what the podcast 
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different things going on. 
Hopefully people come by and say

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hello when they see us and then 
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that you and I are both 
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will. 
Let me go to a session instead 

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of holding me up into I'm doing 
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Well, yeah, our our schedules 
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right. 
Wherever it is. 

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Not thank you. 
Like hey, Jeff by the way, on 

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Wednesday. 
We're recording five episodes. 

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get those five episodes out of 
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we're going to do that this 
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We're going to kind of stretch 
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Yeah I mean look this year we're
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right around the corner. 
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a bunch at again, diverse. 
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We drop an episode every Monday,
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A bunch of shows every day. 
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so that I can actually enjoy the
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also Like you mentioned the 
vacation topic that I'm going to

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London in a couple weeks. 
So I've been on the road quite a

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I'm going to Vegas next week or 
this week I should say pending 

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on when you're listening to this
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after that. 
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for a week and then I'm going to
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vacation. 
So, yeah, my schedule is pretty 

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crap for meetings until the end 
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What's London, like in June is 
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I'm not sure. 
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approaching the warm aside, I 
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hindle. 
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to try and see if we can sync up
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I don't know, beer, T something 
what tea and crumpets? 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Speaking of crumpets, we're 

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going to be in Vegas, you know. 
Obviously the link link is 

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forging crumpets and That's 
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You know, I was thinking of a 
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you love Yardbird best chicken 
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am looking forward to it, man. 
That's chicken and waffles, best

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chicken waffles, and also best 
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because they have so definitely 
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What do you think of Vegas 
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I like Vegas and as people don't
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know, the Any serious vices like
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So for me it's you know, seeing 
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know, the conference. 
I think it's I think it's a 

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great conference on because 
everything so convenient you 

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But the food and really just 
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So I'm looking forward to I'll 
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I'd leave until like Saturday. 
So I think my record is 14 days 

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in Vegas. 
That's way too long. 

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It sounds like a long time but 
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I just stayed an extra 45 days. 
I remember that. 

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I'm a Vegas and I'd like pretty 

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much the things that you like, 
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of entertainment that's their 
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I don't gamble much these days. 
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stories of like, oh my gosh, I 
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of dollars or anything and I, I 
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alcohol at like, it's just, 
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yourself, moderate pace 
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It is a great time. 
There are a lot of things to do.

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See, go to the restaurants, I 
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Venetian which is really kind of
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I think if you're going to go 

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just, you know, come on Uber, as
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get around and see some things. 
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And if you're lucky I'll get one
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there's a long another company 
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sometimes you'll see an opt-in 
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you know, have a self-driving 
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I did it like three years ago 

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and it was interesting. 
Yeah, it worked. 

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Well, we got there. 
I wonder what you do if you get 

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in an accident you sit there and
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in the car. 
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self-driving. 
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but they just they don't they're
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mechanism. 
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It's like kind of I got a Tesla 

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with autopilot. 
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We see a human in the car. 
So, safety mechanism. 

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Now someday we may look at this,
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conference as well. 
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access management conferences 
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anymore. 
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and identity conference, but I 
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that we know I think since the 
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pandemic, period, but now that 
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more people who are aware of the
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us, come up, we get to see all 
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We're meeting new people. 
It's it's great. 

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By the way, we keep growing by 
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just kind of cool story. 
I was at a sale Point thing, in 

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Charlotte a few weeks ago, I 
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gathering, it was kind of like 
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what's coming up, stuff like 
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I'm sitting off to the corner. 
Just doing my own thing that 

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really, you know, trying to draw
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I had of the eight people in the
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Three came up and introduced 
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hers, which is super cool. 
It was always very, very cool to

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have that experience. 
But people are out there 

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listening, which is very cool, 
but I thought that was pretty 

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neat. 
And then we got in somehow, we 

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got into a conversation with the
sale point. 

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People kind of after the session
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the universe. 
It was a very wide-ranging 

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conversation as we as it 
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world. 
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fun. 
And interesting. 

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Now creates that you have the 
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wonder how many people who 
follow the podcast actually know

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our faces. 
So they these folks are so lucky

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as to those are some crazy guys.
Yeah. 

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I don't know. 
I'm I Count Their Blessings that

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they haven't seen us. 
It's a maybe even a minor curse 

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if they have to listen to us. 
But yeah, I uh I don't know. 

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The I guess the anonymity of a 
audio podcast is nice but you 

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can always go on our website. 
Idac podcast.com, right? 

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And see our pictures on the 
about page and whether or not 

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they are current with whatever 
our haircuts or facial hair or 

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styles are try to keep them 
updated, but yeah. 

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Well we had that that live 
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kind of abandoned that because 
it would be like we do a live 

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stream, put it on YouTube Two 
Weeks Later had 14 views while 

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it's just so hard with the 
timing. 

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We couldn't find a like a good 
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real challenge. 
This is not our day job, right? 

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We do this on the side outside 
of our normal day job doing 

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identity and access management 
consulting. 

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So, and with all the travel and,
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it. 
It's really difficult to try and

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find like a specific time to 
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Every week we're going to do 
that this time and I think I'd 

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love to try and get back into 
it, but I just don't know when 

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we could fit in or be consistent
with it, right? 

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I think the other challenge that
people don't get because my tell

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my son about our podcast, and 
obviously, he's never listened 

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but like why don't you guys do 
video? 

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I'm like, well, it's not 
software. 

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That makes it easy to live 
stream video. 

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As well as do a quality of 
recording. 

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I can find ways around that but 
yeah, we just haven't done that.

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I think it sets a different 
level, I think of expectation of

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the videos. 
I'm okay with it. 

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I think you'll be okay with it, 
but I think a lot of our guests 

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would prefer maybe not to be on 
video or maybe 50/50, so to kind

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of keep it easy and that's a 
whole different level of editing

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as well. 
So, I do the editing to audio 

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settings. 
One thing adding video to, it 

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would take exponentially longer 
GE. 

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Probably by the time it got out 
to the Quality level that I want

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the difference between a 
recording at a live stream is I 

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feel like hey why is stream? 
It is what it is. 

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Like, there's not gonna be any 
editing to it. 

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This is this how it happened and
that's what you're going to see.

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Jim said this beep. 
Yeah let's talk a bit more about

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identifiers because like we've 
got a few different things going

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on. 
We get in Monday, we've got 

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Tuesday, which is kind of the 
official first day, got the 

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opening keynote and then we're 
going to be doing some 

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recording. 
Live in front of a Wandering 

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studio audience. 
I'm going to call it just 

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outside the expo hall. 
We're supposed to start at 7:00.

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There is going to be our logo 
somewhere. 

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I haven't seen it yet, but all I
know is we'll have a table, some

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chairs and the identity of the 
center logo, somewhere outside. 

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The expo hall area at the Aria, 
and we've got a few different 

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guests, kind of lined up to kind
of come through and draw cans. 

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Yeah, drop-ins panels, whatever 
it may be, if there's people in 

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the audience that we want to ask
questions to, you know, Of the, 

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you know, what's call it to 
people that might be watching us

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or one or like, who the heck are
those guys? 

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Hopefully more. 
But yeah we'll be recording just

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outside the expo hall at 7:00 
probably getting. 

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They're setting up sometime 
between like 6:00 and 6:30 just 

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to make sure that I've got 
everything ready to go for 

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microphones and recording and 
stuff like that but hopefully 

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we'll see. 
People stop by and say hello. 

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Maybe be part of the show. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah I can't I can't wait for 
that, you know. 

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We and it's not just something 
that we're doing is like Oh 

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yeah, we're like popping up a 
table outside of the extra. 

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All this is space. 
Those granted to us is being set

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up by the identifiers 
conference. 

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So and everybody that we're 
having is droppings or not the 

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people that are going to be 
recording with during the week, 

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a few of them are like Ian. 
But you know what? 

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With Ian it's like we want to 
have him on the show anytime we 

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can because it's like he's such 
a good speaker and he's like 

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these really insightful ideas. 
So really looking forward to 

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that. 
After we do that opening 

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session, we'll have our shutdown
time and get to shake hands and 

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meet folks. 
And by the way, I will have the 

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identity of Center stickers, 
which can be placed anywhere, 

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anywhere of your choosing, you 
put them on your car, throw your

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laptop, lead you put on your 
coffee cup, your child's 

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forehead, doesn't matter. 
That might not be so good, but 

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if you do put a picture on on 
LinkedIn. 

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Yeah. 
And we will I will. 

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Share it or reposted. 
Whatever they call it. 

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Yeah. 
So far I think I like the best 

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location I've seen is our friend
Stevens on the back of his truck

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and he's got like two or three, 
I think on there. 

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He's got, he's got a, your 
trailer trailer. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, trailer. 

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He's got like all kinds of 
stickers, these kind of like a, 

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you know, an old-school hippie. 
But in the tech industry, I kind

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of consider myself that that to 
its greater than extent. 

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He still lives in easing, like 
Washington State, but yeah, that

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was Was that was one of the 
best, but I've seen a few other 

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good ones to our friend, Dan 
Cabrera. 

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But one on his coffee mug, as 
shared that the other day, 

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someone said, I want one of 
those coffee mugs click. 

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Well, I can help you with the 
sticker part, but you're not to 

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buy the coffee mug yourself, 
right? 

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It's a transfer transferable to 
any coffee mug of your choice. 

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Well, your choice and so 
afterwards, if we, you know, 

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shake hands and kiss babies and 
8:30 that night, we're going to 

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have a are co-sponsoring our 
company. 

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Sam is co-sponsoring with 
octane. 

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One Cosmos, a happy hour at the 
Aria Hotel. 

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Bar is check out my LinkedIn 
feet of already. 

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Shared the registration page. 
It's a little bit late in the 

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game by the time this drops. 
But go out and register. 

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I mean, I think there's like, 
you know, fire capacity code 

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like, you know, they can have 
more than a certain number of 

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people in the area. 
So yeah, it's not like I said no

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one cares cares. 
Well fire. 

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I yeah I mean I don't think 75 
people in a small bars and make 

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a dent in the overall Aria 
population. 

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So anyway, that's what that's 
the way it is. 

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What about Thursday night 
because this is something you've

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been sort of like Grassroots 
pulling together which is 

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interesting. 
I'll also like the fact that you

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committed me to it and I was 
like, no, I'm not so sure yet. 

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But yes, I will be there. 
Tell us about Thursday night. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So Thursday night, you know, I 

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feel like all the H events are 
like sponsored by vendors which 

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is fine. 
I enjoy those sponsored events 

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and accurate but I really want 
to go karaoke singing and 

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there's a live band. 
Karaoke, Thursday nights at a 

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bar in the Venetian called Rock 
house. 

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And there's no cover, you know, 
basically just show up if you 

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want to order drinks or food, or
whatever, do it on your own 

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dimes, not going to be, you 
know, covered by anybody, but 

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But be a bunch of people from 
their Denver's conference 

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showing up, hopefully at least 
Jeff and I will be there and 

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just get up and sing, or watch 
other people join me on the 

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bench watching because I am not 
singing. 

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No matter. 
If your pressure, I'm going to 

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throw that right now. 
I am immune to peer pressure, so

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don't even try it. 
I don't expect you to get up 

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00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,500
there. 
There's no part of me that 

447
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:52,400
expects you to get up. 
They don't want me up there. 

448
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,300
Let's just put it that way. 
I don't want to be there. 

449
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,400
You don't want me there. 
Let's just have a good time, 

450
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,700
especially, cool. 
I mean it's something different,

451
00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:00,000
right? 
So I said, it's not sponsor, my 

452
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,600
buddies just kind of come going 
to come as you are. 

453
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,200
There's no like sales things or 
anything like that. 

454
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,400
No one's going to like collect 
your badge and send you 48, 

455
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,300
different emails right on sash 
for using their services. 

456
00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:12,700
Write that kind of thing, just 
come hang out, have a good time 

457
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:16,500
kind of decompress and you know,
hopefully be amongst like-minded

458
00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:18,900
people. 
Yeah, exactly. 

459
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,900
I mean I kind of feel like, oh, 
it's always great to go to 

460
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:27,100
sponsored events but I mean, You
know, you ought to this karaoke 

461
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,800
thing, no cover. 
What are you gonna spend a 

462
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,200
couple bucks on a few drinks? 
I'd say Vegas might be a little 

463
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000
late. 
So yeah, right exactly what 

464
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,400
couple bucks on per drink, right
toe box on a Coke, may be on a 

465
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,500
Coke. 
Exactly. 

466
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,800
But I think it'll be a lot of 
fun whether you like to sing or 

467
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,200
not. 
If it strikes a tune with you, 

468
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,900
go for it. 
Either sir 99 30-ish on Thursday

469
00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:54,200
night. 
Okay. 

470
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,700
And that's at the van, Action. 
So, the Rockhouse bar at the 

471
00:24:57,708 --> 00:25:00,600
Venetian, which is probably 
wanna grab an Uber to go over 

472
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,800
there or it's probably a decent 
sized walk. 

473
00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:04,100
Yeah. 
Get that spot. 

474
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:07,100
But yeah, we're planning on 
hitting there around 9:30 or so.

475
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:11,600
And join me on the bench. 
We can enjoy ourselves and, and 

476
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,100
have a vendor neutral sponsor 
free conversations. 

477
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,100
It's right next to the yard 
bird. 

478
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600
Yeah, I'm gonna be there early. 
So I'm gonna be at the yard, 

479
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,400
we're probably getting some 
chicken and waffles and Then I'm

480
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,400
going to hit rock bar. 
Yeah, that's a great plan. 

481
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,400
That's what we've got going on 
for stuff. 

482
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,100
We've got a bunch of good guess 
that are lined up. 

483
00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:35,700
That that Jim has worked 
painstakingly to craft. 

484
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,900
Do we want to mention something?
Obviously, it's always something

485
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,800
to change, just never know with 
cancellations, but you want to 

486
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,500
kind of go through what we've at
least as of right now. 

487
00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,400
Got planned. 
Yeah, yeah. 

488
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,700
So I'm afraid to have to mention
this right because things had 

489
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,500
changed. 
People could be sick and not 

490
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,500
able to make it to the 
conference or watch a couple 

491
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:55,000
already. 
Yeah. 

492
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,400
I'm going to go through the, 
yeah, exactly. 

493
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,100
I'm going to go through them in 
current. 

494
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:02,600
The order that we're recording. 
So from the one Cosmo seem, we 

495
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,300
got Mike angle who's going to be
returning. 

496
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,500
Guests will be, I think it's 
third appearance but the last 

497
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,700
time he was on talking about 
self Sovereign ID, oh wait. 

498
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:15,500
You know, before I even go into 
too much depth on individual 

499
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,900
sessions. 
So I've been I had this like 

500
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:23,300
crazy idea which imagine that 
Jim Jim McDonald was a crazy 

501
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:27,900
idea right ever happened, so I 
wanted to focus all of our 

502
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,100
podcasts recordings that we on 
the future, what are things 

503
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:37,200
going to be like in the future? 
And so I've been calling it 

504
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,700
Nostradamus week. 
So what we take a topic like 

505
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,600
self Sovereign, id decentralized
id identity wallets, we talked 

506
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,800
with folks from one cosmas about
that. 

507
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,000
It's not a big fixation on, you 
know, where are things that now?

508
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,300
How does it work? 
Like no, like in three to five 

509
00:26:58,300 --> 00:26:59,500
years. 
How's life going to be 

510
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:01,500
different? 
We're going to be walking around

511
00:27:01,500 --> 00:27:04,500
these self Sovereign IDs we're 
going to have these identity 

512
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,400
wallets. 
How's that going to be different

513
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800
than the wallet I have on my 
iPhone, you know, because I'm 

514
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,600
still like grappling with that 
I'm still not sure. 

515
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,700
I completely understand it. 
So that's one of our sessions. 

516
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,300
Another one is like to me like 
really exciting. 

517
00:27:20,300 --> 00:27:25,000
So we're going to have and 
Raider and CEO and co-founder or

518
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,200
I think he's just maybe one and 
only founder, but we'll say 

519
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,400
founder or co-founder of ping. 
Will find that out during the 

520
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,400
app. 
How do I do a research? 

521
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,400
Like yeah. 
When we or through researchers, 

522
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400
as we get his identity origin 
story? 

523
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,900
And I mean, I just want to get 
his insights across a lot of 

524
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:48,800
different identity topics, how 
things are going to be in the 

525
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,900
future. 
All right, then we have gal. 

526
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:55,700
Hello, I'm ski from plain' id 
plain', id is an Relation 

527
00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:58,200
company. 
So they're going to be shooting 

528
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,500
me talking. 
She talks a lot about P back 

529
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,300
policy policies. 
Yeah, policy based access 

530
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:09,000
control and how that is the same
or different? 

531
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,900
From our back and a back but 
even more than that. 

532
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,400
How are things going to be in 
the future? 

533
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,100
Like is this this game changing 
technology? 

534
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:20,100
We're talking about is this 
going to replace our back or put

535
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:23,700
a big dent in our back you know 
it feels like identity 

536
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,000
practitioners. 
Hold on. 

537
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,400
Strongly to our back because we 
all do it. 

538
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:32,100
I think what's great about our 
back is like, we understand it, 

539
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:35,000
that side of its are obvious. 
How it's done? 

540
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,800
Is it makes sense? 
Let's explain to you. 

541
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200
So this policy based access 
control? 

542
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:47,700
Is it going to change the game 
for gals perspective is yes, but

543
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,400
we'll see you, right? 
That's why we're having the 

544
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,200
conversation and then last but 
not least, Ian Glazer from Ida 

545
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,300
Pro. 
Come on and talk about how 

546
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:59,600
things are going to be in the 
future and one of the questions 

547
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,700
is artificial I tell 
intelligence blah blah blah blah

548
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,500
blah. 
So now you fill in the blank. 

549
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,100
What is the blah, blah blah 
blah. 

550
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:13,900
So yeah, really looking forward 
to this sessions and the idea is

551
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:18,100
that each one of those sessions 
would drop over the course of 

552
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:22,400
the month of June one per week. 
Yeah while we're on vacation 

553
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,600
stuff like that so gives it a 
break. 

554
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,200
You are very Very concerned 
about missing a week, as I can, 

555
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:33,900
you know, we put out what 60, 
maybe 70, sometimes episodes per

556
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:36,500
year, we can drop a week but no,
you can. 

557
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:39,200
Thank Jim. 
Every every Monday come rain or 

558
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,800
shine. 
There is give me an episode, so 

559
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,200
that's what happens. 
Well, think about. 

560
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,900
So this would put us up to 
episode what 219 by the end of 

561
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:48,300
June? 
Something like that. 

562
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:52,800
Yeah, for years, every Monday, 
we've dropped episode. 

563
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:55,000
I, we took would take off like 
that. 

564
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,800
As in like New Year's and stuff 
like that. 

565
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,200
Yeah and the number 219, I think
is more than 4 times 52 because 

566
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,300
we go to conferences and do some
extra episodes. 

567
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:11,100
But yeah I mean other than that 
break we take over the holiday 

568
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:13,900
which were always very clear 
about we don't just like Miss 

569
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:17,300
episodes because we get busy, we
don't miss Monday drop. 

570
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:21,300
So I think that's that's not 
just you know, I don't get all 

571
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,300
the credit for that. 
You you're the one who does all 

572
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,900
the work too. 
To make this happen in terms of 

573
00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:30,900
the editing and getting things 
published and getting it on 

574
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,200
LinkedIn and everything. 
So, it's a team effort. 

575
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,600
All right, let's keep going. 
Before he sells, congratulate 

576
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,200
ourselves to death. 
We're doing a great job. 

577
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,500
What about sessions this week? 
I know I've got like five, 

578
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,700
that's kind of picked out over a
couple of days. 

579
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:49,300
Do you have anything that you've
got your eye on that? 

580
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,800
You're looking at attending. 
So, I've got a framework by 

581
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,500
which Looked at the sessions and
say, for CDs, for the horse, you

582
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,700
have a framework for it 
framework. 

583
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:05,100
So, anything that was futuristic
because of the Nostradamus week 

584
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:09,600
theme any sessions tagged AS 
application of identity. 

585
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:16,100
I love, you know, sessions that 
are focused on, you know, real 

586
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:19,600
world use cases, where people 
have actually taken some of 

587
00:31:19,608 --> 00:31:22,700
these Technologies, especially 
at the newer Technologies and 

588
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:28,500
implemented them or a no. 
A unique use case session. 

589
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,600
If I people that, we know, 
especially our listeners and 

590
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,000
guests sessions with 
introduction to in the title. 

591
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,600
So, like introduction to pass 
keys, or introduction to self 

592
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,000
Sovereign, ID. 
Like, I love when someone can 

593
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,800
take a complex topic and boil it
down to somebody, who knows 

594
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,900
nothing about it. 
And I want to hear that, even if

595
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:56,600
I already understand that topic 
in depth, I want to How to 

596
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,400
message it more clearly, so that
somebody who's new to the topic 

597
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
and can pick it up. 
Speaking of past, he's pretty 

598
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,500
fun. 
Have you have you set up any 

599
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,200
passkeys yet? 
No, I did for Google and it's 

600
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,500
great. 
Yeah, I like it. 

601
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,500
So I'm looking forward to more 
support, but if you have not set

602
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,200
up a passkey, you can set it up 
and your Google account now. 

603
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:22,900
And once you do it, basically 
just shows up on your always for

604
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:27,900
me on the iPhone as part of your
Or your keychain and no password

605
00:32:27,900 --> 00:32:30,000
you just get right in if 
indicates you right there, it 

606
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,000
works great. 
So congratulations to Google 

607
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,300
getting that rolled out and find
out. 

608
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:36,400
But I just had to say that 
because I had, I just set mine 

609
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,800
up. 
I want to say like maybe within 

610
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,700
the last seven to ten days and I
had to re Afeni Kate to it if I 

611
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,300
saw earlier this morning and it 
was like super smooth and super 

612
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,500
easy and it worked, as you 
expect it to. 

613
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:48,300
How did you figure out how to do
it? 

614
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,100
I got an email, I think actually
from Google. 

615
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:52,600
I knew they had announced it 
just hadn't gotten around to 

616
00:32:52,608 --> 00:32:54,800
doing it yet, but I went 
through, set it up, it's in the 

617
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,900
goo. 
Security settings. 

618
00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:58,100
It's one of the options kind of 
saying here that you would set 

619
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:02,300
up MFA and one of them is set up
a ski and you go through a brief

620
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:04,900
enrollment process. 
This kind of like any other MFA 

621
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:08,700
type of situation, right? 
It's like click here, scan this 

622
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:12,400
code, do this thing and then, 
you know, verify your identity 

623
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,600
on the device and then you're 
good to go. 

624
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:15,900
That's it. 
What's neat? 

625
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,800
Is that it doesn't require at 
least on the iPhone doesn't 

626
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,500
require a separate app. 
So it's built into iOS and it's 

627
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:26,500
part of the the keychain there. 
So now it's just Hey if you know

628
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,300
I get the prompt it's a native 
prompt that comes up with 

629
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:32,600
educate through Biometrics on 
the phone and I'm in, that's it.

630
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:35,300
Very cool. 
The last part of my framework 

631
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:40,900
was all things Fido pass keys 
and anything to do with securing

632
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,400
cloud and devops. 
And I did notice one session 

633
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,300
from to Bora, they have a 
session referring to the machine

634
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:51,900
identities as workflow 
identities. 

635
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,600
So I'm interested to sit in that
session. 

636
00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:00,000
One thing I have a strong 
feeling that the management of 

637
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,100
these machine identities and how
to use, it's much more than a 

638
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:07,600
much more of a framework than, 
just, a technology like Secrets 

639
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,900
management. 
If the whole sessions about 

640
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:13,800
Secrets management check and 
check out accounts like I'm 

641
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,000
going to be pretty disappointed.
So the last thing I would say is

642
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,600
that, you know, it wouldn't be 
me if I didn't log a complaint. 

643
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:28,000
My complaint is that I wish I 
knew which sessions would be 

644
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,300
available for offline viewing 
after the conference because you

645
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:36,500
know, a lot of times sessions, 
you know, there's more than one 

646
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,699
session that looks interesting 
at the same time and I probably 

647
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:44,699
go in person to the one that is 
not being recorded and watch the

648
00:34:44,699 --> 00:34:49,100
record of one later. 
So just for for future, if 

649
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,000
you're a conference planner out 
there setting up a future 

650
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,500
identity conference. 
That's what I would like has a 

651
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:56,699
future. 
Yeah, that's a comment by. 

652
00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:59,300
That's a common complaint with 
every, I think conference, 

653
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:00,200
right? 
There's always competing 

654
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,000
sessions which will do you go to
it's expensive to do those 

655
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,500
recordings and put them out 
there. 

656
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,600
So certainly an added cost I 
think it's worth it but every 

657
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,400
conference treats little bit 
different, I have no idea what 

658
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,200
identify verse is doing this 
year. 

659
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,500
But historically, they have made
a lot of them available after 

660
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:20,900
the fact through either YouTube 
or other mechanisms stuff like 

661
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:22,000
that. 
So hopefully we see things 

662
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,900
something similar this year. 
So what about you? 

663
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,800
What are you looking forward to?
To, I did not apply a framework.

664
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,700
The way I looked at it was like,
okay, I want to look for 

665
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:35,600
customer stories, things that 
are not vendor driven as much as

666
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,000
I could. 
So I took that as sort of like 

667
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,800
my priority and I just pick 
topics that either. 

668
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,300
I want to know more about or 
that. 

669
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,700
I think might be interesting. 
You know, things like that. 

670
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,200
There's one Mo kidnapped from 
ebony. 

671
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,400
Love at McDonald's. 
I'll sing it here for you is the

672
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,900
only way to go but up up up, 
bottleneck addressing Crump 

673
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,600
Being challenges at McDonald's, 
which I think would be 

674
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,600
interesting to understand. 
You know, how, they, how they 

675
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,400
rapidly onboard off-board 
people. 

676
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,000
I think, is sort of the 
intention of it and I think 

677
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,500
that's something a lot of 
companies are Sven. 

678
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:09,800
So I'm kind of going that to 
look at it more from like a 

679
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,300
fast-paced, you know, dynamic 
environment. 

680
00:36:13,300 --> 00:36:15,400
When you have to do that, quick 
onboarding off boring and see 

681
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,900
what they did to tackle, it Eve 
mailer has that's on Wednesday, 

682
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,600
he's mayor has one called can 
subsidiarity save Relation, 

683
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,000
which is a real tongue twister 
of a title, one Eve's great. 

684
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,900
So, booking further speak, but 
I'm one understand. 

685
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:35,200
What does she mean by 
subsidiarity? 

686
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,900
Because I'm still trying to wrap
my head around still 

687
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:41,800
decentralized and what are the 
different options that kind of 

688
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,100
come along with that? 
Absolutely, that's on my list, 

689
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,000
too. 
Yeah, Thursday, there is 

690
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:49,500
something that I'm pretty 
interested in. 

691
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Identity in the c-suite, the 
role of the chief identity 

692
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,900
officer, that's a panel I know 
of Going beyond that, as well as

693
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:57,700
Andy handle and and Hindu 
others. 

694
00:36:57,700 --> 00:36:59,200
Right? 
I don't know if it's a keynote 

695
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,900
or not, but I like the idea of 
has identity and access 

696
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:08,000
management as a function, within
a company risen to a c-suite 

697
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,600
level roll, like the Chief 
Information Security Officer or 

698
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,600
the Chief Information officer or
it officer right? 

699
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,300
Things like that. 
What our organizations starting 

700
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:21,900
to say, hey, yeah, we do need a 
chief identity officer, I like 

701
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,900
the idea, but I want to see what
the panel thinks about. 

702
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:27,300
It and kind of helped inform my 
view of it as well. 

703
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:31,300
It's a panel is listening. 
One thing I'd like to know is 

704
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:34,700
like, what does that mean? 
Like if you say somebody's the 

705
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,700
Chief privacy officer, what's 
the difference between that and 

706
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,800
saying there are the director or
VP of privacy? 

707
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,400
I think I think privacy 
generally is more on the 

708
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:49,100
regulation side of things 
typically whereas the identity 

709
00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:52,600
officer is something that 
supports that I'd, it's a great 

710
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,900
question. 
I have no idea. 

711
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,700
I know the rhyme What is the 
word chief mean? 

712
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,200
This is the word chief mean, 
like, is that something 

713
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,500
different than just being in 
charge of and being a VP. 

714
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:08,200
When I see the word Chief, I 
think c-suite, you are in charge

715
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,800
of something for the 
organization and the buck stops 

716
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,700
with you, you're the chief 
executive officer CEO, you know,

717
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,800
whatever that looks like and 
maybe that's a good thing, bad 

718
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,100
thing. 
I like the idea of identity 

719
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:24,800
having a much higher visibility 
roll with more pull. 

720
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,500
Because a lot of times identity 
is kind of shoved in under 

721
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:30,700
typically information security 
in the sea, so kind of typically

722
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:33,400
represents it, but maybe it's, 
you know, the CIO, it does some 

723
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,700
it as well. 
But if this moves identity up 

724
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:40,300
the stack into the corporate 
hierarchy, I think that's a good

725
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,000
idea. 
I'm in favor of that. 

726
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:44,300
Yeah. 
So obviously obviously right 

727
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:45,800
Dad. 
No, I'm not, I ask the 

728
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,000
questions. 
A few truly just don't know. 

729
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,300
Yeah, I don't think anybody 
knows. 

730
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:54,400
I, I don't know of anybody who 
was a chief identity officer. 

731
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,700
And what I'll call the real 
world, maybe at like an identity

732
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,600
company or something like that. 
Like our friend of the friend of

733
00:39:00,607 --> 00:39:03,400
the show. 
David mati is the chief identity

734
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,000
officer had Trends with security
and identity company. 

735
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Yeah, that's a real world. 
Damn it? 

736
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Yeah, well, I separate identity,
people, identity vendors and 

737
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,000
people like you. 
And I in the Consulting business

738
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,500
into, you know, the real world. 
Our Enterprise people in the 

739
00:39:18,500 --> 00:39:20,800
real world, who are you? 
The not software vendors are not

740
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,500
doing consulting services there.
There are solving the real 

741
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:24,800
identity problems in the real 
world. 

742
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,700
Yeah. 
The practitioners. 

743
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,700
Yep. 
So that's why I'm looking 

744
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,100
forward to. 
There's another one with Pamela 

745
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:33,900
Dingle and tia Loudon from I 
think Microsoft. 

746
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,400
I don't Pamela's with Microsoft 
think they're both from 

747
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Microsoft history is written by 
the anomalies know the numbers 

748
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,200
or be the news that's on 
Thursday as well. 

749
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:44,800
I always liked facts and figures
I mean they're great for kind of

750
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,200
pointing out things. 
Obviously you know, one 

751
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,700
understand the data behind that 
but hopefully there'll be some 

752
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:52,700
new facts and figures that kind 
of point you to help articulate.

753
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:56,400
Why identity is important or 
Facets of identity are important

754
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,300
to people especially in the kind
of role that I play. 

755
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:03,600
And then on Friday, one thing 
that I am always looking to do 

756
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,000
is how we develop new identity 
Talent. 

757
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,800
So Aaron Crow who has been on 
the show before as well. 

758
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,100
So I didn't just pick people who
show, but I like the topic 

759
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:15,200
building the plane while flying 
or how to develop new identity 

760
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,300
talent. 
I think that's, that's a big 

761
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:20,300
risk for a lot of organizations 
is, how do you find the right 

762
00:40:20,308 --> 00:40:23,000
people and how do you find 
train? 

763
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,600
You know, how do you, how do you
get your people just being 

764
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:25,600
SeaWorld. 
Right? 

765
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:27,700
You and I are working us in our 
day jobs, right? 

766
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:31,200
How do we make sure that our 
teams are staffed trained, you 

767
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,100
know experts you know in a given
area that kind of thing and 

768
00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:36,100
every organization kind of 
subtle suffers with that so I'm 

769
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:39,200
looking to see look forward to 
see what Aaron says maybe she's 

770
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600
got some tips and tricks for us 
that we can take back into the 

771
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,600
real show. 
She you got some real insightful

772
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,100
ideas so I think that's one 
thing. 

773
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:52,000
Like I read the description of 
the eaves presentation and the 

774
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,100
what did he call it 
subsidiaries. 

775
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:59,800
I don't even know what that is, 
but if I know anything about 

776
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,000
he's freezing tations are walk 
out of it, knowing what that is.

777
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:07,500
And so, that's what I really 
love is like, take that complex 

778
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:13,100
hobby that I don't understand. 
Now at make me understand it so 

779
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,500
there may be specific shove the 
knowledge into your brain, make 

780
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:22,700
me pay attention, Okay? 
So there are a few that that 

781
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:26,500
struck a chord. 
With me, one was I think it's on

782
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:30,800
Tuesday, 2023 Trends in securing
digital identities. 

783
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,300
There are two friends of the 
show, Tom Sheffield from Target,

784
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:41,200
Jeff Reich from idsa as well as 
a few other obviously bright 

785
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,400
folks who are going to be 
talking about these secure about

786
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,900
these Trends. 
I love Trends. 

787
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,000
Zero trust architecture for b2c 
identity and at General Motors 

788
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,900
and your Cameron. 
He's not a current friend of the

789
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:56,500
show but Talk to him a lot on 
LinkedIn. 

790
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:58,900
So really should be a friend of 
the show. 

791
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,800
So Andrew, we need to talk about
that but looking forward to your

792
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,400
talk folks, from Visa are 
presenting, IGA strategies for 

793
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,300
achieving least privilege. 
And obviously this something 

794
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:14,000
that I've been picking a lot on 
lately on the show now which of 

795
00:42:14,008 --> 00:42:18,200
these is the use of credit card 
or for so Dez. 

796
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,400
A okay. 
These like not yeah not like a 

797
00:42:21,408 --> 00:42:26,600
Visa card but he's the like the 
Shane Company and then connect 

798
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,400
the car identities to scale with
someone dr. 

799
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,400
Stephen venema, PhD from Fort 
Rock. 

800
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:42,400
I had Ian's session on the, was 
the chief. 

801
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:44,600
I'm sorry, this was on the 
ceremony. 

802
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,900
So again, just kind of like, 
from the standpoint that he's 

803
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:50,900
pretty insightful, but I think 
also, you can take something 

804
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:54,700
that you think, you know, about 
and give a Twist to it. 

805
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,000
You're like oh okay. 
I never thought of it that way. 

806
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:02,600
This shot is doing a collision 
course ethics versus human 

807
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,000
centered design in the new 
perimeter and I got a taste of 

808
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,400
that human-centered design so I 
think I get that I think it 

809
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400
affects I think I've heard of 
that before but the new 

810
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,400
parameter I'm not sure what that
is but it is Sean's to Fantastic

811
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,400
presenter. 
And what a good presenter. 

812
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,800
He is our friend David Maddie's 
doing a presentation Ation is a 

813
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,400
time to panic. 
How attackers are leveraging 

814
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,200
Chad gvt. 
And how to respond with 

815
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,500
intelligent identity security. 
So I'll be there in honor of 

816
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:38,900
you. 
Jeff president, Chachi fatigue. 

817
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:42,300
I yeah. 
Vittorio's presenting on 

818
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,400
verifiable credentials for the 
identity practitioner. 

819
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:47,200
I think he's going to pull it 
down. 

820
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,400
So even people like me can 
understand it. 

821
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:53,000
I've got the eve session that 
you just talked about the 

822
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,200
c-suite discussion. 
You It talked about, there's 

823
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,200
also one from thales group 
resumes B2B. 

824
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,100
I am a gap between modern 
demands and current practices 

825
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,100
and, you know, B2B is kind of, 
like, one of my areas that I'm 

826
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:10,700
pretty passionate about, and I 
am and then there's one house. 

827
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:14,000
Hyatt, how high it is. 
Driving exceptional customer 

828
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,900
experiences with modern phyto, 
pastoralist authentication. 

829
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,800
And will be someone there from 
from Hyatt, someone there from 

830
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,600
yubico. 
And then programming engineers, 

831
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,600
how standard shape, the way we 
we work with just the rykor and 

832
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,300
Justin is a future friend of the
show is going to be on in July. 

833
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:40,000
So keep tuned for that episode. 
He was actually recommended to 

834
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,500
me by Mike would burn, who heard
him on Victoria's podcast and 

835
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:45,900
it's like, you got to get this 
guy on your show. 

836
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,400
So I reached out to him, he's an
IDP, remember that's it. 

837
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,100
And, you know, the real rub is I
just mentioned all those 

838
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:56,700
sessions, it's going to be hard 
to attend all the sessions with 

839
00:44:56,700 --> 00:45:00,200
the recordings and everything. 
So I'm going to add them to my 

840
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,200
agenda and get to as many as 
possible. 

841
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Yeah. 
The same thing I tried not to 

842
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:06,600
kill myself this time. 
I'm going to spend a lot of time

843
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,100
back and forth doing recording 
episodes and probably the vendor

844
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:12,400
Hall and the couple of sessions 
that I've got targeted going 

845
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,700
back and forth. 
But so you're going to be trying

846
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,900
to pick up free schwag. 
Now, I just have the Locking 

847
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,100
stitches that I need to have 
with with folks. 

848
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,700
I try to set an extremely low. 
Low expectation. 

849
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:26,000
Level for schwag at conferences,
these days. 

850
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,400
I haven't seen anything really 
cool or interesting in a while, 

851
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,500
actually. 
So hopefully, I'll be a 

852
00:45:31,508 --> 00:45:33,900
surprise, but if I find, if I 
keep my expectations low, it's 

853
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:38,000
like, yeah, I don't need another
t-shirt, or a camera cover or 

854
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,600
anything like that. 
Like, almost under socks. 

855
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:43,700
I'm not a sock guy that doesn't,
it doesn't do anything for me 

856
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,800
either. 
I know this actor, populate, the

857
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,100
stock population is out there. 
I get it, it's just not my 

858
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:51,400
thing. 
I joined the sock movement like 

859
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,200
10 years after it started, so 
kind of like behind the curve on

860
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200
socks, but they're pretty cool. 
I like them. 

861
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,200
All right, let's go ahead and 
wrap things up. 

862
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:03,800
Hopefully people have saved 
trips out to Vegas. 

863
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:09,900
Hopefully, we'll see people stop
by our live wandering audience 

864
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,800
session, 7 p.m. 
Tuesday night before we go what 

865
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,300
you're going to be your karaoke 
song on Thursday night that 

866
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:21,500
you're going to Be Belton out. 
So if you picked one yet, or you

867
00:46:21,508 --> 00:46:24,700
have a couple. 
So, Denise is going to pick one 

868
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,400
that will sing together and 
it'll minimize the part that I 

869
00:46:28,408 --> 00:46:30,700
have to do. 
Nobody wants to hear me sing a 

870
00:46:30,700 --> 00:46:33,500
three or four minutes. 
Well, I have not found anything 

871
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:35,800
yet. 
I've heard she's fantastic so I 

872
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,200
could forward to that. 
Did he says your girlfriend by 

873
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,400
the way, right? 
Yes. 

874
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,400
Exactly. 
And so this one thing to 

875
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,400
prepare, so anybody who's 
planning on going out, who wants

876
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,500
to sing go out to the Rock House
website, you can find it on 

877
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,200
Google and they have a list of 
songs. 

878
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,900
These are the live band. 
It's not like they're just 

879
00:46:55,900 --> 00:47:01,500
picking 10,000 songs from, you 
know the kairosoft library you 

880
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,700
have like 40 50 songs to choose 
from. 

881
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,500
So pick one that, you know, 
maybe listen to it a few times 

882
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:10,800
before you go. 
That's that's all I've got. 

883
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,500
What about you, Jeff? 
What are you hoping to hear? 

884
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:14,200
You didn't, but you didn't name 
a song. 

885
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,400
I think it's going to be a 
surprise. 

886
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,200
It's going to be a surprise, 
okay? 

887
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:21,200
Well, I'm not singing any song. 
So this is purely a question for

888
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,900
you. 
I'm hopeful that I'll hear maybe

889
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:27,800
some 90s Alternatives or 
Nirvana, some Pearl Jam, maybe 

890
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,000
someones braved up there. 
Do maybe some Metallica or 

891
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Megadeath Ultra Brave. 
Maybe some corn. 

892
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,900
Who knows, right? 
Oh, that's not gonna happen. 

893
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,900
That gives you some insight into
why I don't get on stage among 

894
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,700
other reasons. 
All right, let's go ahead and 

895
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,600
wrap it up for this week. 
Safe travels to everybody, you 

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know, make sure that everyone 
gets out there safe Sound come 

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up. 
Say hello to us, you know, we'd 

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love to meet folks, who listen 
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like, what you don't like. 
So we can make adjustments all 

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that good stuff. 
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Jim. 
Any final final thoughts for 

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this, this episode. 
Yeah, so I got some feedback 

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about the opening jingle and 
people are glad to have it back.

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Glad to have the guitar riff I, 
you know, when I created that I 

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don't have many years ago as 
well as now, I was like, okay, 

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well, I'm not musical at all. 
But let me try to put something 

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together and I was surprised at 
how many people commented when 

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we shift for episode 202, a 
different jingle. 

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So, yes, back by popular demand,
but with a better voice over, I 

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mean, my voice over sucks. 
So I think people mostly like 

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the to do do, do, do do. 
I'm not turn that into a clip 

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and make that like a ringtone or
something. 

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I tell you that. 
All right, connect with Jim, and

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I and Linkedin, web links and 
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Look forward to seeing everyone 
out in Vegas. 

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And yeah, we'll talk with 
everyone in the next one. 

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You've been listening to 
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