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This is identity at the center. 
If it has anything to do with I 

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am this is the go-to podcast. 
So if you're a beginner or an 

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expert or anyone in between 
you've found your new home 

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welcome to Identity at the 
center now your host Jim 

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McDonald and Jeff Steadman, 
welcome to the entity of the 

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center podcast I'm Jeff and 
that's Jim. 

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Hey Joe Jim. 
Hey Jeff. 

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How are you? 
Good, you seemed a little bit 

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like like slightly delayed there
for a second. 

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Well, you know, my deal like 
this is bad allergy season them,

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a bad allergy. 
Sufferer. 

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By the time this episode goes 
live though, it should be all 

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better here. 
It'll be April. 

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Will be the beginning of Stress 
Awareness Month and I don't 

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know. 
Do you have any plans for 

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Stress, Awareness Month? 
How are you going to Handle 

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stress better starting in April.
You know, I'll be honest. 

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I feel like I handle stress 
extremely well. 

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Like I just don't feel stressed.
Generally speaking, I think the 

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most stressful like job I ever 
had was working at Chili's of 

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five table section on a Friday 
night that has prepared me for 

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life. 
Like, there's no job harder than

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that. 
I'll tell you right now. 

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So shout out to all my food 
service peeps. 

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I am totally there. 
I'd I totally get it. 

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I feel like I'm, you know, I got
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I missed a period on a sentence 
somewhere. 

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I'm good. 
Well, you gotta you gotta 

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remember that this episode is 
broadcasting to thousands of 

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people who are like, what's this
dude, talking about my life is 

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stress, you know, everybody's 
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handles it differently. 
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Maybe I just internalize it, I 
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Maybe I just, maybe it's just my
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I don't know. 
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have You know, convictions to 
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good job and stuff like that, 
and obviously don't want to make

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mistakes anything, but I don't 
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I feel like stress or things 
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it immediately gets flushed out 
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disk somewhere, a tape archive, 
and don't even worry about it. 

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Yeah, I did, I did hear somebody
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actually something real. 
Like you can't have a bucket 

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full of stress, it doesn't exist
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It's all something that we 
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However, I've got plenty of it 
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beginning of April's. 
I'm going to take a nice long 

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vacation happens to be spring 
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Yeah, I take a little time off 
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The, the stress counter Troy 
quite a bit, but more on the 

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identity management topic. 
I've been thinking a lot about, 

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you know, from a strategy 
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building your IM strategy or 
your see, I am strategy. 

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She a customer. 
I am strategy is one of the 

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things that you have to do. 
We still go through this battle 

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is to define the scope of 
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What's identity data? 
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Because I think there are some 
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realm of identity and identity 
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username and password are, you 
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you know, credential data 
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Access management, but then 
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and other areas of, you know, 
things that are about you that 

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belong in your business 
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And the reason I'm bringing this
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you're developing your? 
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The Challenge questions that 
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know. 
So, are you taking on this? 

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Are you taking on that? 
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think from an IM strategy, 
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time. 
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centralization is just taken for
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towards centralizing the 
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like, you know, it's taken for 
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even hardly ever look at Bill 
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So now, it's like, what are you 
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You know, you're not going to 
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management system, you're not 
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authentication system, but 10 
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Junior's ago, those serious 
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Should we just build this 
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So I think that the same kind of
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Okay. 
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take centralization and you 
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you have it comes into okay like
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know, coming up with a kind of a
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person is or what that identity 
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don't know From my perspective, 
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Like, here's the best practice, 
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It's kind of what your 
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With is like, yeah, our identity
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We're going to do whatever draw 
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I think that's really based on 
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What you think it should be 
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What is clearly a part of 
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for you? 
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Well, I mean thoughts on what 
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its scope, right? 
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Is that a I guess that's the 
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out of there is what is the 
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I am program, what is the scope 
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What are you trying to solve 
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going to go off and start 
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don't need to solve for 
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Yeah, I guess I mean I see your 
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right and maybe I'm overthinking
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But it seems to me that when you
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our identity management 
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There's always going to be 
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don't want parts of their 
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For example, put into a 
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their applications management of
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think that you have to be if to 
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thoughtfully and do it in very 
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through those issues. 
Is like, okay, does this belong 

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as part of this? 
You know Central, I am strategy 

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for us. 
Well, that's all. 

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Let me. 
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question because the I am 
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Cecil and me would say yes. 
Every application is in scope 

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for identity and access 
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know what the integration 
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discussion with there shouldn't 
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there some at that we don't know
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platform or are privileged 
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or MFA, whatever it may be. 
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It will be managed, it will be 
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government's, the level of the 
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organization will come to an 
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that it adheres these things, or
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but there are still rules that 
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following. 
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at it is everything is in Scope 
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governance. 
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Yeah, glass that comes back 
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White Version, right? 
That's the stuff that. 

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Authentication should be 
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Usually you don't run into any 
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like, that's going to be a very 
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roles like, oh, is your 
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I am system that doesn't even 
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Going to take that over from our
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freaking complicated that, you 
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Somebody on the moon, you can't 
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So that and then die again. 
You didn't like all this data 

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that were collecting about the 
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Like how much of this are you 
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Are you going to start sending 
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our application? 
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into that very consciously and 
first off you have to understand

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your environment and and kind of
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But you know, you have to think 
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just threw your strategy out 
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Unless you have a very Receptive
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brainstorm and work your way 
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But at that case, I'd say you're
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think that you need to think 
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Especially around identity data 
around authorization, how far 

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you're going to take your. 
I am strategy or I am system 

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tools and processes that you're 
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Are you going to do registration
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Okay, you're going to do 
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Are you just going to create the
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Union account or you going to 
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Are you going to run 
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of data that we need to collect?
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goes back to the school 
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What's the level of integration?
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Should be managed at some level.
The management might be none, or

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the manager might be full, 
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We're going to take it over 
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not even doing it, you know, let
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And the truth is I think most 
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between of all those different 
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Are disconnected, but they're 
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have, you know, compliance 
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and security, whatever it may 
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pull into a single sign-on or 
MFA and simplify the environment

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right now. 
I don't think there's any, 

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there's many IM programs out 
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They're like, no. 
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any of I, all of our apps on 
Tessa. 

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So I think that should be like 
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from there, you decide, okay, 
what are the exceptions that 

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come out of it rather than 
trying to approach it from the 

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other side of it? 
Yeah, and I think this is an 

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area where, you know, Enterprise
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I am kind of falls into much 
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you get into the customer, I am 
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It's really looking at, okay? 
Like what are the problems that 

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you're trying to solve and 
really having to build an 

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approach that has to be 
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Based on, you know, what is the 
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into? 
Yeah, well customer I am is is a

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totally different beast and I 
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about that before where there's 
clearly a difference between the

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two and for those that are in 
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but they think there's still a 
lot of organizations. 

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Maybe you aren't a similar to I 
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I am as I am and not Enterprise 
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partner customer right whatever 
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There's there are very clear 
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especially then when you start 
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of Right? 
You got, you know, gdpr versus 

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HIPAA versus, you know, 
regulations all around the world

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that throw, wrenches, and into 
things, and makes it even that 

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much more difficult. 
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And that's where it's like, you 
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everything. 
But, you know, when you start 

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to, I could pretend to be when 
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knowledge on top of subject 
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Expertise, you know, I was 
actually thinking we could shift

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the conversation into Converse 
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This is the kind of 
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I love to have over a beer or 
coffee and just, you know, the 

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or the Hulk little bit more than
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I recording us it's March 8th 
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Just like the podcast. 
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especially if you folks are on 
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corporate citizen, there's a 
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people are Denver's. 
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whole blasted all over Twitter 
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Well it's not because we've got 
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So. 
Hello Julie. 

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Tim Jeff, good to see you. 
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guys. 
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The cat has yet to make an 
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Say welcome to the show. 

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Jeff, thank you very much, Jeff.
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I really appreciate it and look 
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Well, other than having, you 
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What we like to do is find out 
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stories for people. 
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identity World? 
Julie has been on again. 

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episode 52. 
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that's what it was. 
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you can go back and listen to 
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How did you get into identity 
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Is that something that You chose
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information security that alone 
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and identity management has been
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separate the two. 
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attack or what I'm doing with 
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it's going on that hits the 
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so identity at did that only its
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calling me. 
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I know how important it is but 
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Taking hold and I don't know if 
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not Julie's playing yourself is 
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baby identity management days. 
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We provide thought, leadership, 
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education through webinars and 
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management day. 
What we're going to talk about 

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today and then best practices 
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how Security leaders can be 
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So I, when I was introducing 
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founding executive director, so 
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to be retiring getting the 
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Over to Jeff. 
What is, you know? 

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What's that like, right? 
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couple years, you know, what do 
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You're, you know, you're I guess
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Your favorite accomplishment 
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The eye. 
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Identity optic, got involved, we
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optimum Briella but then spun it
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four years ago. 
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accomplishments 2.2 kind of 
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somewhat unknown to hopefully, a
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well-known organization. 
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put us on the, on the map is 
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is coming up here on this. 
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have happens to be April 11th. 
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the fact that our organization, 
our research is getting picked 

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up in quoted and referenced. 
In ways that I don't even know 

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about it. 
Just happens to pop onto my 

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radar every day. 
I think that's one of the 

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biggest accomplishments. 
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point? 
It's always fun when you go 

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viral, right? 
I guess we're going to reasons 

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or are good things Trail. 
What's next for you? 

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Get question. 
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take some time off between now 
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some time as we've talked about 
before, right? 

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I like golf, I like the cycle. 
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family and Significant other and
travel and you know, just kind 

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of enjoy life for a while and 
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chapter holds for me. 
I'm not exactly sure what that 

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to Define it while I'm still in 
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up this part of, for this 
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So, I'll spend the next six 
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trying to figure that out and it
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It starts off with a week in 
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So, I'm super excited about 
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So as soon as identity 
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a plane. 
And out of here, I feel like 

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running out, right? 
It's like, all right, well, you 

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know, leave leave the meeting or
the webinar, right? 

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And on the 11th and the next 
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you see is like a puff of smoke 
and Julie's gone. 

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She's like, you're in a black 
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Exactly was very cool. 
Yeah, I've never been, it's 

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gonna be. 
Yeah. 

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It's going to be awesome. 
Well and where I was going to go

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deaf I admitted that to cut you 
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is, I'm able to do that. 
And I'm able to leave in a, you 

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know, puff of smoke because I'm 
super excited about Jeff. 

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Rich taking over the reins and 
leading us into the future. 

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And I've every every confidence 
that he's going to do great 

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things for the idsa going 
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So just in the time that he and 
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transition mode over the last 
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run and and and hand it off to 
Jeff. 

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And I've Every confidence that 
he's gonna do an amazing job. 

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So Jeff, what is, I guess, what 
is Julie leaving you with, you 

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know? 
Is there like a to-do list is 

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there is the autoresponder 
already on? 

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You know, please. 
You know, please forward to 

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Jeff, you know, all questions 
about this. 

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Yeah, whatever. 
Maybe like, let's pretend she's 

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not here, right? 
Everything's going to be her 

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fault for the next year or so, 
right, all things, I think 

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that's tradition whenever you 
leave my business always stuff. 

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Yes. 
All is the last person's fault 

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that we got to spend some Fixing
it. 

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Not that Julie, you know, we 
love Julie but what are the 

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things that, you know, do you 
see on your plate coming up here

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in the next like, out of the 
Chute? 

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Friday, I say, well, first of 
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one. 
My number one objective is 

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living up to the expectation. 
She just said in that 

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transitional introduction, left 
me here. 

455
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:25,500
And no, she's not leaving it to 
do list. 

456
00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:27,900
That, that doesn't mean there 
aren't things to do here without

457
00:23:27,900 --> 00:23:31,800
question. 
My list is overflowing, I Have 

458
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,000
to hand it to Julie. 
I'm going to take this public 

459
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,700
opportunity. 
He won't be the last time I do 

460
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:37,600
it. 
I do not know how she's done 

461
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,000
this for the past few years. 
I've been here a month working 

462
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,100
with her and with two of us, I'm
thinking we can't get this all 

463
00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:45,900
done. 
Then I realize a month ago, she 

464
00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:50,700
was doing it herself. 
So amazing job by Julia to to 

465
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:52,900
build this up and get it to 
where it is. 

466
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:59,700
I think we are at a point now 
where idsa has grown from a core

467
00:23:59,700 --> 00:24:04,000
of identity providers and 
security providers to benefit 

468
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:08,200
the the community at large. 
I think now it's time to start 

469
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,700
expanding into the community 
large and getting more 

470
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:15,200
contributions from those not 
only that create identities and 

471
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,900
provide them and tools for them.
But also the custodians of 

472
00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:22,400
identities, which are a lot of 
the large Enterprises that may 

473
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,200
or may not have a good. 
I am program in place yet as an 

474
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,400
example and can benefit from 
learning about what the 

475
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,700
Professionals in idsa have to 
offer and thought leadership and

476
00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:37,000
start providing some of their 
own. 

477
00:24:37,300 --> 00:24:38,900
Let me pad Julie on the back 
now. 

478
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:43,000
So, I think that one thing she 
brought to the table was amazing

479
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,300
organizational skills or Grew 
idsa From nothing to where it is

480
00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:52,600
today and what, whatever it 
becomes would have never been 

481
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:56,400
had she not done that. but what 
I also always thought about 

482
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,600
Julie was that She's an identity
person, she gets it. 

483
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:05,100
And I'm sure you would not be in
this role if you didn't get it. 

484
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,200
So, Jeff as your inauguration 
into the identity at the center 

485
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,700
podcast, I'm going to ask you 
one of the tough questions that 

486
00:25:13,700 --> 00:25:19,200
we've we've repeated on this 
podcast many times which is, you

487
00:25:19,208 --> 00:25:21,200
know, getting into the subject 
matter. 

488
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:25,800
What's the difference between I 
am and digital identity because 

489
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:28,300
Let me Give a Little Bit of 
background on that question. 

490
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,600
To me it almost felt like 
digital identity as a term was 

491
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,800
replacing identity and access 
management. 

492
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,700
We're talking about this 
industry of digital identity and

493
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,700
so we we posed that question 2nd
handle who is the organizer of 

494
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:49,700
they didn't reverse conference 
and was the president of the ID 

495
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:54,300
Pro that very question. 
You said that that's going to 

496
00:25:54,300 --> 00:25:57,100
take me more than what we can 
fitted to this episode. 

497
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,600
So what Jeff and I Did was we 
put together an episode is one 

498
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,900
of our most downloaded popular 
episodes. 

499
00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:08,500
And we asked a bunch of identity
gurus. 

500
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:12,100
What's the difference between 
digital identity and identity 

501
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:16,300
and access management? 
I'm not as a test to you but to 

502
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:20,700
you, what is the difference? 
We could spend the next month 

503
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:24,900
talking about this, but but I 
think I have what I consider the

504
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:28,700
difference because I am is more 
of the overall umbrella. 

505
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:33,400
Ella that has a combination of 
whether it's a tools you use or 

506
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,200
your policies or procedures and 
everything around. 

507
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:41,400
Obtaining identity, issuing 
identity, access controls. 

508
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,800
And managing that whole sphere 
together to me, digital identity

509
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,300
is different because a digital 
identity is something that every

510
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:54,900
one of us creates, whenever we 
do something in a digital Realm,

511
00:26:55,700 --> 00:27:01,800
And that includes actions access
and in some cases, like, what 

512
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,000
websites, you visit, whatever 
Trails you leave. 

513
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:09,700
That becomes in my mind, part of
your digital identity and it's 

514
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:13,600
not traditionally in my mind 
part of what has been accepted 

515
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,600
as identity and X identity 
access management. 

516
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,800
I am So, how different is that 
from? 

517
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,000
What you've been hearing from 
all the a? 

518
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:24,800
No I think that's a good. 
We've heard the exact opposite. 

519
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:27,800
We've heard exactly what you 
just said, you know, there's I 

520
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,500
can be convinced as your 
identity is the thumbprint. 

521
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:34,600
You know, you go and the crime 
scene has these fingerprints all

522
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,200
over it and as the digital 
identities, right? 

523
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,500
That you leave behind, I think 
that was its kind of the analogy

524
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:44,200
for you the trail, but I've also
heard people say, digital 

525
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,600
identity is the umbrella 
identity access management is 

526
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:54,000
one of The the functions within 
that I am umbrella. 

527
00:27:54,800 --> 00:28:01,700
So I mean I think everybody 
ultimately I think it's Did you 

528
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,800
just terms right? 
And what, what those terms, 

529
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,600
ultimately become our, how 
people intended for them to be 

530
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,300
understood when they use those 
terms? 

531
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,400
And so I kind of think the 
pissed definition that we got 

532
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:18,200
was from Alec fry goes by the 
the moniker for identity. 

533
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,200
Who said it's it's like 
football. 

534
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:24,400
Football is a ball but it's also
this concept of a sport. 

535
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,000
That's an international 
phenomenon and it all depends on

536
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,100
what you meant when you when you
use the term football, what did 

537
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,800
you mean? 
And that's digital identity. 

538
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,700
Jeff, you have any thoughts? 
Are you talking to your Jeff? 

539
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,200
Yes, I'm gonna give it to me or 
not enough to many gifs. 

540
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:49,100
Well, Jeff and I have already 
decided, we're going to start 

541
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:51,800
our own podcast is me. 
Just just Jeff's talking to each

542
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600
other and you can only be on the
show if your name is Jeff. 

543
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,000
So that's how that's going to 
roll. 

544
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,700
Maybe one of the younger, two 
year of study area. 

545
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,800
I'm with Alec on this one, you 
know, I think this is I think 

546
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,300
that's how I let off my my 
description as well as I think 

547
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,000
the context of the question 
matters, who were you talking to

548
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,000
in what context? 
Because digital identity? 

549
00:29:15,100 --> 00:29:17,700
Access management? 
All four words mean different 

550
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:20,000
things to different people 
spending all your talking to and

551
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,100
when you combine them now you've
got a bunch of different 

552
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:24,600
options. 
Where Jim you might say, okay, 

553
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,500
well, it means this to you. 
Jim and what I meant when I talk

554
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:31,200
to someone else, you know, my 
wife or my daughter Dog. 

555
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,700
Right? 
It means different things to 

556
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:34,800
them or doesn't mean anything at
all, right, could be that as 

557
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,900
well. 
So I think I think this, it's 

558
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:41,800
whatever it needs to be, but I 
think you have to recognize that

559
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,900
and tailor your question and 
your conversation to poor, 

560
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:50,200
you're talking to and what is 
the context that that those 

561
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,400
terms mean to them? 
And make sure that you're you're

562
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,900
speaking the language in a 
common in a common vernacular. 

563
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,200
Julie do you have your own take 
on this or you with Alex fry as 

564
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,000
well? 
We talked about it may be the 

565
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,100
last time I was on and I'm with 
Alex, I think digital identity 

566
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:12,600
is the thing and identity and 
access management is, you know, 

567
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,300
the broader umbrella of how you 
manage it, what's the life 

568
00:30:16,300 --> 00:30:18,700
cycle? 
What are all the attributes that

569
00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:22,300
need to be defined about it but 
digital identity is the thing 

570
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,300
that we care the most about 
because it's the thing that's 

571
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:27,300
getting compromised, the most. 
So Jeff Ridge. 

572
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Where is identity and access 
management heading. 

573
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:35,800
Well, it's heading at high speed
right down the road, right down 

574
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,200
the middle of the road. 
And, and I say that, because for

575
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,800
those, that don't know yet. 
If you haven't heard about, you 

576
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,900
know, data, breaches ransomware,
anything else going on that bad 

577
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:51,500
on the internet? 
You know the dark web all of 

578
00:30:51,508 --> 00:30:56,600
those things end up having or 
result in identity compromises. 

579
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,700
So because of all that I think 
identity and access Management 

580
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,700
is heading towards a little more
standardization. 

581
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,000
I believe we, probably as much 
as I get the, it's all about 

582
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,700
context. 
I think we need to start to 

583
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,800
finding the context and saying, 
here's what identity means. 

584
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:18,200
And here's a value, we can start
associating with it. 

585
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,300
I'm going to give you a real 
quick example. 

586
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:25,800
If you take a look at payment 
card information, there is an 

587
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,400
identity aspect to that. 
And when it's compromised, even 

588
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,300
though it may take a while, 
There is a remedy to it 

589
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,800
Healthcare information. 
If you have a given diagnosis 

590
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,600
for a disease, when that's 
compromised, how do you remedy 

591
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,400
that? 
You can't. 

592
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:46,100
So the value of that Healthcare 
information, on the big scale is

593
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,100
probably a little more value 
than a little higher rather than

594
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:51,400
the value of the payment card 
information. 

595
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:56,100
And if you expand that to all 
scopes of digital identity and 

596
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,400
identity and access management, 
I think it becomes a matter of 

597
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,200
defining the East stratifying 
different levels of value of 

598
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,800
identities. 
And because of that and 

599
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200
associating that with value of 
resources, they may be 

600
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800
accessing. 
You get into concept of things 

601
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,000
at the highest value. 
Maybe that's a really good 

602
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,500
opportunity to implement 
something like zero trust. 

603
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,800
When you're down at the lower 
end of value, maybe it's not 

604
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,300
worth the effort and time to do 
something like zero trust, but 

605
00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:26,200
you still need some form of 
identification of the vacation. 

606
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,200
You know, those really good 
point and I think talk to your 

607
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,400
you're referencing kind of a 
risk based model as well. 

608
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Jeff and I Jeff Stedman and I 
like to talk about this podcast 

609
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,700
has kind of a time capsule for 
the I am industry. 

610
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,900
We've had a lot of people who've
been in this industry for a long

611
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,900
time on the Podcast. 
Those episodes will always be 

612
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:53,000
out there for people to enjoy 
and to research. 

613
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,800
What would, what were they 
thinking back in the early, you 

614
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,400
know, back in 2019 or 2020. 
So what I'm going to ask you for

615
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
is any bold predictions that you
want to throw into the time 

616
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,500
capsule. 
So I have a prediction that some

617
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:12,000
people may think of his bold. 
Some people may think it's 

618
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,800
impossible, but I believe that 
we have a future coming Forest 

619
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:21,900
where each of us are going to be
in complete control of our own 

620
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,000
identity. 
Now, that doesn't mean it's 

621
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,700
controlled the way you want it 
to be. 

622
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Because each of us, our control 
are in control of their own 

623
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,100
health, our own weight, and 
everything else, but that 

624
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:31,800
doesn't always work out the way 
we want. 

625
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,300
However, more and more in you're
seeing privacy legislation start

626
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,700
to drive. 
Rises towards this identity 

627
00:33:39,700 --> 00:33:42,800
information from me should be 
controlled by me. 

628
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
I may give you access to it and 
I may determine how you can use 

629
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,100
it and I may revoke that access 
to it but it's still my identity

630
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:54,500
and I'm going to control it in 
the u.s. especially that's not 

631
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,400
happening right now. 
We're nowhere near it and I 

632
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600
believe my Bowl prediction is 
down the road, that is what 

633
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,700
we're going to have to do. 
Otherwise individuals will have 

634
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:07,500
no control over being able to 
say who they are, how they get. 

635
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,699
Credit, how they get access to 
anything, how they go to the 

636
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:14,100
movies, all of that going to be 
potentially compromised when 

637
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:16,699
they don't have appropriate 
control over their identity. 

638
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,699
So given that line of thinking I
would expect at some point, 

639
00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:22,800
we'll start to see some things 
along those lines and idsa 

640
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,199
content, will we see a thing 
like that? 

641
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,300
Maybe I got a management day or 
there any sessions that kind of 

642
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:29,400
touch on that cell Sovereign or 
decentralised? 

643
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,300
Are things coming up or is that 
still in the? 

644
00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:34,500
So the Q because they know it's 
a it's a very meaty topic and I 

645
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:37,500
think there's a lot of confusion
still in the space. 

646
00:34:37,900 --> 00:34:40,800
Of blockchain For Better or 
Worse. 

647
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,900
Haven't been equated with 
decentralized identity again, 

648
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,100
for better or worse. 
Where do you think? 

649
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:48,699
Where do you see idsa? 
Tackling some of those, those 

650
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,699
topics? 
Well, I think you're going to 

651
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:54,600
see topics that that touch on 
privacy and privacy ends up, 

652
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,300
being the driver right now. 
For how that level of self 

653
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:01,700
control comes up now, you did 
ask for a bold prediction and 

654
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,300
I'm assuming you were thinking 
more than a month from now which

655
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:06,300
is why I don't think you're 
necessarily going to see the 

656
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,600
solutions, right? 
A way for it. 

657
00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:11,800
But I do believe you're going to
see discussions about it because

658
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,500
when you discuss privacy and 
importance of that and what 

659
00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:19,100
happens when a leak occurs, 
you're going to see some 

660
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:20,700
solutions that are not talking 
that. 

661
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,900
Start talking about how an 
individual can exercise more 

662
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,100
control. 
However, I think that's going to

663
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:29,500
have to happen in concert with 
governments, whether it's with 

664
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,200
the local state, or federal 
level. 

665
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,900
And dare, say even International
standard. 

666
00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:37,500
That's very bold at some point 
for that. 

667
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,500
And that is a slow move that 
part too slow moving train. 

668
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:47,100
So this I am that's going at 
high speed on this end of the 

669
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:50,400
road in the future. 
It's going to crash into that 

670
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,400
slow-moving train that our 
government regulations. 

671
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,300
And I would like to think what 
comes out of that is a good 

672
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,700
Common Sense approach to 
allowing individuals to be able 

673
00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:02,100
to take control of their 
identity. 

674
00:36:02,300 --> 00:36:03,800
Do I think it's going to happen 
this year? 

675
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:08,400
No, but I do think you'll see 
some topics that can At least 

676
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,500
touch on it at idea at and 
identity management day. 

677
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:13,900
I think it's interesting because
it is something that seems to 

678
00:36:13,908 --> 00:36:17,600
come up almost every conference.
I've been to for the last year 

679
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
and every conference that I'm 
attending this year has some 

680
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,800
sort of track or topic, right? 
Even multiple kind of 

681
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,800
presentations on this concept of
self Sovereign status and being 

682
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,800
able to part and parcel out 
portions of of your personal 

683
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,600
data out and how it should be 
used. 

684
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,600
And I think it's Sure if it will
be solved in the next 5 years or

685
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,500
10 years because they think 
there's a lot of questions of 

686
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,200
where will this be built? 
Who's going to administrate it? 

687
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,400
You know how easy is going to be
used forever to use? 

688
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,500
This is going to create a second
class experience for other 

689
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,100
people who aren't on you know 
that platform right? 

690
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:56,800
Those sorts of things. 
So be interesting to see how it 

691
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600
kind of plays out. 
You mentioned identity 

692
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,400
management date. 
I know Julie this is sort of 

693
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,800
been your baby for the last 
couple of years now and I guess 

694
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,600
from a Attendee perspective, 
what should I be expecting on 

695
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,400
that day? 
And again, it's April 11th, the 

696
00:37:13,408 --> 00:37:15,700
second Tuesday of April and 
we'll have a link on our show 

697
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:17,900
notes as well for people to 
check out and get more 

698
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:20,100
information for it. 
But I guess who is that? 

699
00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,200
Who is identity management de 
designed for? 

700
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,900
Yeah, good question. 
So I would say it's designed for

701
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,100
everybody. 
You know, when we started it 

702
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:34,700
three years ago, the idea came 
from one of my member companies 

703
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,100
at the time or Our member 
companies at the time. 

704
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:42,600
And with the idea that, you 
know, we need to put, we need to

705
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,700
have a day just focused on this 
topic of securing, digital 

706
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:47,600
identities. 
And, and identity security is 

707
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,000
everybody's responsibility, 
right? 

708
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,300
Whether you're an organization 
protecting the identities of 

709
00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:56,500
your customers and consumers, or
whether you're an individual who

710
00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,800
has an employee identity, you 
need to protect, maybe you're 

711
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,000
working as a consultant. 
So you're a partner to an 

712
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,400
organization, you need to 
protect that digital Identity, 

713
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,600
or even your own personal 
digital. 

714
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:10,200
Leti right there. 
So everybody, everybody needs to

715
00:38:10,207 --> 00:38:16,100
be involved and do things that 
help to protect your identity. 

716
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:20,600
So individuals, you know, using 
strong passwords not reusing 

717
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,400
passwords, you know, not doing 
some of the, the silly things 

718
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,100
that I think that we all do 
that, you know, have a tendency 

719
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,600
to cause problems with our own 
personal dual identities but 

720
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,600
also helping organizations. 
Focus on the thing, the action 

721
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,800
items that they can the actions 
they can. 

722
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,700
Take to protect the digital 
identities, they have underneath

723
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:44,500
their responsibility. 
So I'd say it's everybody. 

724
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:48,000
We partnered with the national 
cyber security Alliance to focus

725
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,800
on the individual side and the 
small business side and the idsa

726
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,100
is very much focused on the 
Enterprise, in the organization,

727
00:38:56,100 --> 00:38:57,800
bigger organization side of 
things. 

728
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,200
So, it's for everybody and what,
you know, you mentioned there 

729
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,800
are asked the question about 
what to expect. 

730
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,300
I would say there's really two 
two main aspects Stu identity 

731
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:14,500
management day April 11th and 
one is the participation online.

732
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:19,900
So the sharing of best practices
amongst organizations we have 

733
00:39:19,900 --> 00:39:24,900
hashtags, ID MGMT day 2023, as 
one be identities. 

734
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,500
Part is another and we're 
encouraging organizations and 

735
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:33,000
individuals to share best 
practices online through 

736
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Twitter. 
Through Linkedin, sending out 

737
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,500
emails, writing blogs, Those 
kind of things and just sort of 

738
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,900
that online presence is one main
aspect of identity management 

739
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:46,700
day. 
And then the second big element 

740
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:50,100
of identity management day is a 
virtual conference, which this 

741
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,800
is the second year and it's 
bigger than it was last year. 

742
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:59,900
So that's that's always good. 
It happens from 9 a.m. till 4:30

743
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:03,400
eastern time. 
So I know the for the folks on 

744
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,500
the on the East Coast or 9:00 
a.m. to 4:30 I guess it on the 

745
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:11,400
on the He's on the west coast, 
it's a little bit early but 

746
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,900
hopefully we'll have all the 
sessions recorded so they can go

747
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,200
back and watch the sessions. 
They might have missed, but 

748
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,300
registration is free. 
Will have some raffle prizes. 

749
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:25,200
We've got six sessions that are 
presented by industry 

750
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,900
organizations. 
The national cyber security 

751
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:31,500
Alliance ID Pro open ID 
Foundation, Fido and sisya. 

752
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,600
We have five sponsored sessions 
presented by sponsor 

753
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,700
organizations. 
We'll have opportunities to 

754
00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:42,600
engage with the exhibitors but 
also engage with each other 

755
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,700
through one-on-one. 
Networking tortoise is kind of 

756
00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:49,000
similar to speed dating and then
have a lounge for people to hang

757
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,400
out during breaks where they can
engage with other participants 

758
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,100
in the conference. 
So, you know, one one way to get

759
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:58,400
involved right out of the gate. 
It's become a champion. 

760
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,600
You can go to our website, 
identity management, day.org and

761
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,400
sign up as a champion, I know, 
Jeff and Jenn you guys are 

762
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,300
listed there. 
And then we'll list you on the 

763
00:41:10,308 --> 00:41:12,200
website. 
You get an exclusive Champion 

764
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,700
tool kit with all kinds of 
resources that you can use to 

765
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:18,200
engage with and educate 
customers employees and 

766
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,200
communities. 
And so the champion program is 

767
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,100
not just for individuals but 
also for organization as well, 

768
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,800
who are focused on this topic of
securing digital identity. 

769
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,400
So hopefully that kind of gives 
you a range of things and ways 

770
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,800
to get involved in what to 
expect. 

771
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,100
It's almost like you've done 
this before and you've been That

772
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:41,400
question before. 
Very well, presented, April 

773
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,600
11th, it's an all-day Affair. 
I love the fact that it's on, 

774
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,100
you know, on demand afterwards 
because I think like, most 

775
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:49,900
people writing, you have a 
virtual conference. 

776
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,200
Sometimes, you do end up 
multitasking and get pulled away

777
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,000
and everything's, and being able
to go back and look at stuff 

778
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,100
that you were that you were able
to get to during the day. 

779
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,100
Makes it super flexible. 
So, I'm super excited for it. 

780
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,800
I typically engage in some of 
the conversations that are out 

781
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,100
there, so don't be surprised. 
You see me poking? 

782
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,500
My head in and out of different 
things and throwing comments out

783
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,400
there. 
The identity management 

784
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,600
champions list is impressive. 
I'm looking at it right now and 

785
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,000
it's, it's a who's who of, you 
know, Heavy Hitters in the 

786
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,200
identities. 
They see, these are all just 

787
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:22,700
individuals that are, you know, 
behind this. 

788
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:26,800
This is this isn't really a, you
know, pay-for-play type thing 

789
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,400
from from their perspective, 
right? 

790
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:30,500
I didn't pay anything to get 
list is like, hey, I support 

791
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,000
this obviously Jim and I have 
been supporting us for a few 

792
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,300
years. 
Now, right, since Inception 

793
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:36,900
stuff like that, I think it's a 
great opportunity to get the 

794
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:40,400
identity management. 
The street together and have 

795
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,900
conversations and drive 
awareness and really hear from 

796
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,500
folks out there and be part of 
the conversation, which is 

797
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:49,200
great. 
Because I did a lot of times you

798
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,800
get conferences or other 
webinars and things like that, 

799
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,100
you're a, you're a watcher, 
you're not a participant and I 

800
00:42:56,107 --> 00:42:57,300
think that's, that's one of 
things. 

801
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,400
I think it really kind of sets 
apart from other ones that are 

802
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,500
out there. 
Okay? 

803
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:03,600
So I know you guys have been 
super generous with your time 

804
00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,800
and I want to make sure that, 
you know, we let you get on with

805
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
your days and Evenings, I'm 
sure. 

806
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,200
Julie. 
You're probably thinking about 

807
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,300
like, you know, what am I going 
to pack for Hawaii? 

808
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,700
Jeff your pipe, looking at your 
laundry list of things like, I 

809
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:18,500
want to get this done but what I
want to leave us with is a 

810
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:22,400
lighter note and we're kind of 
talking before the show here. 

811
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,900
And I think the one that we 
settled on was this is a 

812
00:43:24,908 --> 00:43:27,200
question that we're going to ask
for all for everyone's answer. 

813
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,400
On is what's an underrated TV 
show or movie that more people 

814
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,300
should be checking out. 
So, for example, if I hear Game 

815
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:37,600
of Thrones, I'm going to veto 
that and say everybody, all 

816
00:43:37,607 --> 00:43:38,900
right? 
Knows about Game of Thrones 

817
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,200
whether you like it or not, is 
irrelevant people have heard 

818
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,400
about it. 
So what I'm looking for are one 

819
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,300
things that I can add to what am
I streaming cues? 

820
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,500
Because I'm always on the hunt 
for something new but maybe some

821
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,300
folks are, you know, they like 
hey I really enjoyed this and I 

822
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,400
wish more people knew about it 
so that I can have more 

823
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,800
conversations about it with 
other people. 

824
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,200
Jim, I'm going to start with you
and then we'll go to Jeff and to

825
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,100
Julie And your start with me and
I'm going to like, give the 

826
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:05,800
alternate answer because I 
really don't. 

827
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:10,600
Nothing came to mind, our 
podcast guy or ebooks. 

828
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:14,300
And so what I'm going to do is 
throw a pod cast out there. 

829
00:44:14,300 --> 00:44:16,100
Hope that doesn't offend 
anybody. 

830
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,700
But the podcast I've been 
listening to lately is called 

831
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:22,200
hidden brain. 
It's a, I think it was an NPR 

832
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,700
show. 
I think is how I picked up on 

833
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,900
it. 
Anyway, this guy Shankar he 

834
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:28,900
it's, it's like the psychology 
of the human. 

835
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
My mind and how the human mind 
works. 

836
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,600
And for example there's a whole 
series on happiness research 

837
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,400
that they've done, they called 
it happiness 2.0 which is like 

838
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,300
what are the things that we do 
in our lives or happen in our 

839
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,900
lives? 
That make us more joyful, going 

840
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:49,600
through life and there's two 
reasons why those do it. 

841
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,800
One is like I think this is true
for anybody. 

842
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Like if you listen to his 
podcast you will enjoy it. 

843
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,800
I'm you've got my personal 
guarantee on that, enjoy it. 

844
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,900
You'll enjoy it. 
If you don't listen to it, you 

845
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,600
will enjoy it. 
But, you know, that's number 

846
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,700
one. 
Number two is like, I'll listen 

847
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:10,200
to it. 
This kite Shankar. 

848
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,900
You know, he's super well-spoken
and I feel like after I listened

849
00:45:15,900 --> 00:45:20,000
to his show, if I go into a 
meeting my vocabulary, expands 

850
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,500
temporarily. 
So, I mean, that's part of the 

851
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,300
reason why I listen to it is 
like he's so well-spoken. 

852
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:28,800
I feel like that kind of rubs 
off on me a little bit and take 

853
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,700
me from like three on a scale of
1 to 10 to maybe a 4. 

854
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:36,900
So there you go. 
My answer is hidden rain 

855
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,100
podcast, it's a 33 percent 
Improvement, that's that's what 

856
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:41,400
number is that. 
Anybody would stay you gotta on 

857
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,300
a market that right? 
Jeff, what about yourself? 

858
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,900
What is an underrated TV show or
movie? 

859
00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:49,700
Or I guess podcast, or something
that more, I'm not going to go 

860
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,500
with podcast but I do support 
the hidden brain. 

861
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:55,300
That's a great show. 
So the underrated show that I 

862
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,900
have in mind, it's streaming on 
Prime's called 3 pie. 

863
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,500
Ines and it's something. 
I think not enough people know 

864
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:08,200
about if you are into a good 
murder detective, but it's not a

865
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,600
either. 
A gruesome or real bloody or 

866
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:14,100
every episode murder solved in 
44 minutes. 

867
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:19,200
It's not that kind of show it's 
more slow-paced and it takes 

868
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:25,400
place in Quebec Canada. 
And I didn't know if they were 

869
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,700
to. 
So I had to say that and it 

870
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:32,700
deals more with the 
eccentricities of a town and 

871
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:34,700
they're somewhat rural. 
So they all know each other, 

872
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:38,000
maybe a bit too well. 
But there are some deaths that 

873
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,400
occur and everything kind of 
intertwined. 

874
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,500
And I think it's great. 
I'm really hoping it gets picked

875
00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:44,500
up for a second season. 
What's it called? 

876
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:49,100
Again, three Pines, three Pines,
three Pines, I video Amazon 

877
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,500
Prime video. 
Okay, yep. 

878
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:58,200
Julie about yourself. 
I think this is a little bit 

879
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,600
obscure but maybe not so if 
anybody that's a front of a fan 

880
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,600
of Bryan Cranston of that 
Breaking Bad. 

881
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:10,100
Same there's a it's in season 2 
now but there's a TV show on 

882
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:15,900
Showtime called your honor and 
it is fantastic. 

883
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,700
I am you know sitting on the 
edge of my seat, every Friday, 

884
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:22,700
just waiting for it to drop the 
next episode. 

885
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:27,000
Drop So it's set in New Orleans 
which you don't usually see very

886
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,500
often and he's a judge that has 
some issues and had some 

887
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:35,900
challenges in his life. 
And yeah, I've really I really 

888
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:38,100
enjoyed it. 
So I know you guys are shaking 

889
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:40,100
your head, so maybe it's 
something that you've watched. 

890
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:42,700
But yeah, that's my. 
That's my favorite right now. 

891
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:47,100
My wife is into it and I haven't
seen any of them yet, but I love

892
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,400
Bryan, Cranston. 
I think he's a so talented and 

893
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,300
so good at what he does. 
I mean, he's got such range to 

894
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:56,700
between comedy and drama and 
sort of everything in between a 

895
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:59,500
just I'm in on that one. 
That's that's got to go on my 

896
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,600
list for sure. 
You know, I'm sitting here 

897
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,900
struggling because I actually 
have three that's that I was 

898
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:08,500
want to bring up. 
This is so there's one. 

899
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:11,500
I'll go real quickly. 
First one is a show called God's

900
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,700
favorite idiot. 
It's on Netflix, and it's a 

901
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:18,400
comedy with Ben Falcone, and 
Melissa McCarthy. 

902
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,900
I just discovered this, like, 
literally last weekend's Doom 

903
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:23,600
scrolling for Netflix. 
Trying to find something that my

904
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wife and I could agree on to 
watch and flipped it on its, I 

905
00:48:26,707 --> 00:48:31,300
guess 30 minutes stupid comedy 
about basically, the guy gets 

906
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:34,700
struck by lightning and he 
supposed to be sort of the 

907
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messenger of God and deliver the
world, and it's funny and it's 

908
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:42,100
stupid. 
And it's just a good solid, 30 

909
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minutes. 
So that's that's one I think 

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that people should probably 
check out. 

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I love the Bennington Show on 
Sirius XM radio. 

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So for folks who know me, I will
reference them every once in a 

913
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while but they do a Daily Show 
on the satellite radio. 

914
00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:01,000
Now streaming kind of platform 
but I totally think it's such a 

915
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,800
great show father-daughter and 
just essentially gifted comedian

916
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,000
and just so fun to kind of 
listen to its, I always have a 

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good time. 
Listen to those guys. 

918
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I if I ever did a personal 
podcast, it would probably be 

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Something like that show. 
I don't think I can do it as 

920
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good for sure. 
But will be that sort of 

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approach. 
Should I do my third or just 

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leave it there? 
Yeah. 

923
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I see the three. 
The other one is, this is 

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something I've gotten into 
recently, is it streaming 

925
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200
Network called Dropout? 
It's by college humor and they 

926
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do a lot of, like, sketch comedy
and things like that. 

927
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It's super cheap. 
It's like 50 bucks for a year, 

928
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and they have this show called a
lot of cop shows, but one is 

929
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called Game Changer, which 
basically the rules of the game 

930
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,700
change every time every episode 
and the player is have to figure

931
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out what the rules of the game 
are to win. 

932
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So they're throwing to a bunch 
of different scenarios and 

933
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,000
things you can find on YouTube 
as well, if you want to find 

934
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clips and stuff like that but 
they don't know what the rules 

935
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are when the game starts and 
they have to figure out along 

936
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the way and it just it's just a 
weird fun show or you can easily

937
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,400
spend, you know, half an hour 
is, as a Time killer. 

938
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So there's I cheated and went 
with three so it's hopefully 

939
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that would hopefully isn't quite
as as intense, as well as it 

940
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:18,900
does squid game, right? 
Was that? 

941
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Well, we know yesterday was 
great. 

942
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Rules of the game you either but
the consequences were pretty 

943
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dire. 
Yeah. 

944
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:32,200
Consequences definitely not as 
dire but very entertaining and 

945
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fun and stupid at all. 
The same time, right up my 

946
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alley. 
So, I enjoy it. 

947
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:38,200
If you've checked it out, feel 
free to drop. 

948
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But you know what? 
A LinkedIn. 

949
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,800
I'd love to chat about it. 
I just don't know anybody else 

950
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,600
has seen it, and I enjoy it, so 
that's me. 

951
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,200
All right, let's go ahead and 
leave it there for this week. 

952
00:50:48,900 --> 00:50:52,400
Jeff Julie, you know, always. 
She ate the time you spent 

953
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,000
Julie. 
Congratulations on everything 

954
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,700
really that you've accomplished 
over the last several years. 

955
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,800
With idea, say congratulations 
on. 

956
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,100
Going to Hawaii. 
And you know, I'm going to be 

957
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:05,800
living vicariously through you 
when you get back. 

958
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,400
I would love to understand how 
it went for you because that's 

959
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,600
on my bucket list is to get out 
to Hawaii at some point and in 

960
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:17,400
recent data will help me plan 
that trip Jeff. 

961
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,100
I'm looking forward to maybe 
having more conversations with 

962
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:22,000
you as things kind of progressed
with idsa and You both are. 

963
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,600
I don'ti management Day this 
year. 

964
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,200
So, and if we see each other at 
conferences, fist-bumps, Julie, 

965
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,500
and I met at a conference, it 
was RSA, I think last year it 

966
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:33,500
was here before it was like on 
the corner in San Francisco. 

967
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:38,200
There is hope. 
Yeah, so hopefully you Jeff. 

968
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,900
You and I will get you the same 
thing here at an upcoming 

969
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:42,600
conference, and you can Tory, 
official identity of Center fist

970
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,500
bump. 
We'll have links in our show 

971
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:46,800
notes for both Jeff and Julie 
can connect with them on 

972
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,800
LinkedIn. 
You can find out more about the 

973
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,400
identity defying security, 
Alliance the ideas, Say, IDs 

974
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Alliance dot-org. 
Also have links to identity 

975
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,700
management day, identity 
management data org. 

976
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,000
And of course you can find us on
the web idac podcast.com we're 

977
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:07,000
on Twitter at ideas, the podcast
run, Mastodon even idac podcast 

978
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,100
at infosec got exchanged and of 
course you can always connect 

979
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:12,600
with Jim and I we began actually
get a lot of really cool 

980
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,000
messages and comments and 
individually to us through 

981
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
listeners and stuff like that. 
So feel free to drop a note. 

982
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Always happy to engage in 
talking, it gives us ideas. 

983
00:52:21,300 --> 00:52:23,000
Four things we want to bring up 
on future shows. 

984
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985
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986
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leave it there. 
Thanks everyone for listening 

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