You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is
the show that talks about identity and access management
and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
started. Welcome to the identity of the
center podcast. I'm Jeff.
And that's Jim. Hey, Jim.
Hey, Jeff, how are you? Oh, not so bad yourself, good.
I'm wondering how many, dinners or events?
Have you been invited to tonight?
Too, but I have been preemptively tongue people.
As they start to launch into there's feel, no, thanks.
I got enough already going on, but I appreciate the invites.
But I wish I could eat all the steak dinners and drink all the
happy hour drinks. But unfortunately, there's only
one of me there is, but I think what is cool about coming to a
conference? Like, this is, there is no
shortage of invites and Have some guests are going to be
talking with and I'm sure they're being inundated with
dinner reservations or you know, come to this happy hour or this
beer garden or you know, going to Chrissy, you know,
interesting shows right and things like that, take advantage
of it. Like it's there for a reason,
you know, I know a lot of people sometimes have like corporate
policies and things like that so it can have to navigate around
that. But it's part of the experience
is part of the networking that goes along with it.
So I would certainly encourage folks if they're all interested.
It's free. Generally the vendors going to
pay for it so you might as well take advantage of it.
The worst thing you lose is a couple you know maybe a couple
hours and maybe that you do get annoying email or two from some
venture to try to sell you something that you have no
interested in or the best thing could happen is you make a new
friend in the identity space, you had an interesting unique
experience or meal or something, you can tell friends about or
you do find, you know, a vendor or a product or something that
solves in either you're looking for either now or in the future.
So I think there's there's benefits but at the same time
and I'm going to give a Up to Chris because we were trading
back and forth a couple of tweets on this and it goes back
to the topic that we're talking about, the introvert versus
extrovert, what some people like to do that stuff.
I traditionally have not, I tend to be more introvert and then
expend a lot of energy doing the extrovert thing and then pull it
back. But if that's the kind of thing,
take advantage of it. So but the thing, ya know,
that's a good soapbox. I think the other thing with it
is you're going to have invites and If you feel like, okay I'm
being invited by, then there's some expectation, I'm going to
buy your whatever. That's not cool, that's not cool
and you should not go. But I've always whenever I
invite people, it's like, you know, we'd like to be considered
if it gets to that point, you know?
That's pretty much dominated even if you don't come out.
Gartner. I am Summit here in Las Vegas,
20:22 got that, right? Right.
Part in the RSM recording. Sweet.
They so graciously paid for so we could do the podcast this
week. So thank you to our some for
that. And the this episode, we have
for fine gentleman who we've interacted with during the week
and we're going to get their take on.
On the conference. And what have been the best
sessions and what are the best? Takeaways?
Yes. We're going to recap day to.
I'll make one correction. We've got fine five, fine,
gentleman. And we've got Jim.
So the first thing let's just go around the room.
We get introductions and in no particular order.
Basically, just how people showed up in the room.
We've got Steve running, he's an identity architect at Siena.
Welcome. Steve, we've got Craig Ramsay,
he's a solution architect with a Mata, welcome.
We got Scott Herod. He's an, I am technically
Analyst with Sallie, Mae and we've got Chris power and ops
manager with Sallie. Mae, thank you guys all for for
joining. This is very cool.
I think you guys are listeners as well as listen to the podcast
app a so you get to see the madness sort of behind the
scenes as we go through our absolutely amateur process of
putting something together but hopefully it makes sense and
thank. First of all, thank you for
listening which is very cool. I think it's one thing I've
really enjoyed is connecting with people who actually listen.
It's extremely validating for something that Jim and I started
three years ago With you know, hey we got 66 downloads and like
three or me, because I'm checking my car, my phone, my
computer. Make sure he's working, you
know, and now we're at the point where like thousands of people
who listen every week which is awesome and super cool, but it's
not it's not lost. I mean the fact that you know
people like yourselves are taking the time out, you know,
to step away from the conference come up, you know, navigate The
Maze of Caesars Palace and find the room.
So thank you very much for being here.
Now, that being said, the first thing we always do when we have
a new guest on is find out about their identity.
History. So we're going to do is we're
going to start with Craig and then we're going to go to Steve
and kind of work our way sort of around the table as I'm looking
at it here and really kind of find out.
Where did people start from added?
Any perspective, is it something that you know, that that you
picked and sort of wanted to get into or did it pick you go with
you Creek? Well I was a computer science
graduate in 2008 and joined Financial Services organisation
in the UK and that was an operational.
It graduate. Game on the had a newly formed.
I Am project not Department, not functioned a project, and yeah,
I started there and I have been there since barring three years
where I thought. I'll see what it's like being a
police officer. Not for me, stop back with I am
and very happy that many IG space though, very good.
So that's so how long were you in the end in space?
Now that's since 14 years less than three.
So 11. Yeah, over a deck is 11 years.
Yeah, I need any picked identity over.
Being in part of the police very much so and yet it's still more
dangerous than probably being the police right now that maybe
not in the UK. All right, let's go to Steve.
Yeah, I would say that. It shows me, I've worked for
Sienna. Now, for 21 years, it was 21
years in July. And I started there as a help
desk, analyst desktop support and I just kept putting my hand
up asking for more things. So backups and email and one
point networking. And everything that basically
wasn't firewalls or or Solaris based operating systems.
And then, three years ago, we started an architecture program
and they needed somebody to look at identity.
And so I put my hand up again and it was one of the best
things I ever did because I really enjoy the space.
And I've been drinking from the fire hose and this kind of just
drinking no drinking ironically but the definitely this podcast
is really helped me come up to speed and learn a lot about the
space. So thrilled to be here and happy
to me. I so very cool and and shout out
to my fellow helpdesk people that's where I started to.
So Good Times Chris, how did you get it to Identity?
Well, I'm the new guy here. I've only been in identity for
about five months. Now, I started in cybersecurity
from the for the five years before that and it kept picking
me, I guess would be just kind of almost combine, the two, my
manager, my boss on that side. You know on the cyber security
side kept thinking meet you know basically inching me over there
one piece of the time and then and then a window.
Appeared and I took advantage of the window this last time
around. So that's that's my story.
Very cool. So yeah, I think it's relative.
It's very fresh for me to be able to talk to people who are
just sort of getting into it which is very neat.
I enjoy that a lot Scott. How did you get inside Eddie?
Well, like, every like you, I started desktop 20 years ago and
kind of fell into another companies.
They call it user provisioning at the time, but it was Form of
I am and then interviewed for the Sallie.
Mae position really, wasn't going to take it at first
because my backward background is actually networking.
So that's what I went to college for, but they love, I aced the
interview they loved me and I went into it and just fell in
love with it. Fell in love with.
I am just kept it. Kept going and I'm about six
years now that I've been in it and love it.
It. It's a love story for the ages.
Yeah. How, how helpful has the
networking background been for you in a tiny space?
Do you find that there are skills that you've learned from
previous? You know, projects or learnings
that like oh yeah, okay, that's kind of accelerated.
Yeah, it's quite a bit there, especially with desktop in the
networking both. I'm able to be a little faster
when it comes to problem, solving, some things compared to
some of my colleagues, they do. Have that technical, that
analyst background to, where they don't have not trying to
knock on them, but they just don't see the bigger picture
sometimes, and I'm able to do that.
And I think that's also helps me with a part of my other
expertise in some of the background that I have.
So, you know, a big thing that I've heard people talking about
the industries that people who are coming into the, I am space.
Now, don't have that networking background.
Do you think that's a true? Statement.
Yes, I believe it is because I've noticed quite a few who
come in fresh without any kind of networking background or
anything like that. You haven't even come in with
any type of desktop support background, and it shows it
really does. And sometimes it seems like, if
they had that background, it would be a little bit more
easier for them to absorb. Some of the I am aspects of the
job, right? In terms of like the routing and
the TCP IP, you know, one thing I've Learn to my careers like
you don't want to have a major changing of the network at the
same time you're implementing and I am so some it's like it's
a recipe for disaster. Yes, it is.
I want to ask the same question over to Craig either.
You had this sort of career change where we went from
Identity to essentially law enforcement and then back to add
any other things, from the law enforcement side that you were
able to bring back into the world of identity that helped
out. I did not expect that much.
They give me a second hard-hitting questions here and
I didn't ya. The fuck I was there.
I was at the festival show us. We can end a and the the guy
there commented that I looked far too big deal.
You can't kick the shit out of viruses so you know you're
really over train from that perspective.
So physical security, not so much, but I think the approach
to to risk assessment You could argue it's still do.
So you don't remember our situation and you assess the
risk, you kind of do Same day when you're speaking to people,
with their identity related risk and I think you need to be able
to extrapolate the up to the key business risks facing the
organization. So yeah, probably the risk
assessment and risk management of the of that Loosely Steve.
What about from the, your helpdesk experience.
So we've got a couple of former helpdesk occurs here.
What are some of things that helped kind of bridge the
identity world for you? Yeah, I think when I was
thinking, you're listening to what Scott was saying about the
networking side to it helps with a lot of different things in the
These base, especially as you move towards things like ztn a
without having a solid networking background or
understanding how that would all function.
It's difficult to Envision how it helps, right.
So I think that's a key part and I also think that infrastructure
and help desk. Help you from Identity
perspective, see things that maybe other identity identity
professions, don't write like how that impacts people in the
infrastructure side, how identities, work on
infrastructure. So virtualization or how M
putting in FA in Something could be problematic or session
recording might, not be great for people or, you know, all
different kinds of things like that.
When you come from that background, you start to think
about how identity works in those spaces a little bit
differently and it gives you a different perspective than you
would have if you hadn't worked in those spaces.
So I think it's valuable both ways.
I think there's usually something from previous lives
that is helpful and informs, you know, three editions.
I spent a lot of times in restaurants and be bartending
and serving and attempt from for, you know, for my If there's
no better way to learn customer service, when you're literally
your salary, depends on the quality of it and getting, you
know, good tips and sort of things like that and and
realizing and prioritizing. Hey, your ranch, dressing isn't
the most important thing in the entire world there are other
things that need to be worked on first.
I feel like to one other point is that we we probably did a lot
of identity without knowing it, right?
And we think back to the things that we did originally were
onboarding someone off-boarding provisioning.
In two different accounts like we didn't think of it as an
identity necessarily ride any related tasks.
We just thought of it as tasks that we did.
We created a test account in active directory, but we didn't
think about the full lifecycle maybe or things like that.
I think it changes the perspective.
Now that we know that, that was what we were doing way back
when, right? It's at that a oh, that is so
true. Because I feel the same way.
I didn't realize I was doing identity and the early 2000s and
it feels weird for me to say this.
Now I started and my identity journey in the internet of
things, which wasn't, there was no such thing as inner things
back. Then I was programming,
programming, lighting controls, for organizations, working for
essentially, creating machine identities, getting the
connection that work and then managing them when she does
machine identities, through a centralized management
interface, you know, basically what we were doing was turning
lights on and off for parking. Lots for retail stores all
around the u.s., you know, somebody realized that If we can
turn these lights off at 10:00, when the store closes, we will
save millions of dollars every year in electrical these right.
So that was how I got my start. I didn't realize like I was
thinking. I was like until recently, is
it? Wow I've actually been
identified then I thought because it was subliminal
identity. You know I think it's important.
You know as a kind of think about that that Journey Chris
from your perspective sort of the the new person coming into
the identity space. Face.
What are some of the things that you've taken for your prior
roles and said, okay, these are things and conversely here's a
follow-up question that as well. What are some things that you
thought would be helpful that haven't been?
Well, I'm also a help desk, you know, retiree I just cut that 20
years behind him back of my head.
I used to base lock that into a door.
Yeah, I like that. I like about that.
Like that for a while. That was I'm going to say, I
used to help homegrown isps when they were still doing 56k modems
and things like that. So, there was a whole lot of
time where I was troubleshooting.
Yeah, let's troubleshooting usernames and passwords on a
regular basis. I just didn't then think of it
that way the, you know, to answer, you know, the answer,
the question of what, you know, what didn't you know, what I've
taken from other positions, I've done project management for the
last 20 plus years before this. So I would say that the, you
know, the tie-in for me would be that I am from other positions
that come, you know, comes in handy.
D is the planning is the planning.
And basically, the actually itemizing out the individual
attributes and Fields and things like that and being able to dig
into those items, that's something that comes in real
Handy, you know, as we're having this conversation, I think about
helped us now. I don't have a helped us back on
myself then and doing and doing IM strategy.
The first team I want to talk to from client organization.
That helped us because they can very clearly articulate, where
the users are struggling. What processes are broken the
front line? It's the front line, right?
So you pretty much start there, you know where the user
experiences for and, you know, that's going to lead to those
business results. We've been talking about in this
conference where you can start to reduce your costs and
increasing user satisfaction is going to enable you to You know,
maintain keep your employees retain your employees and you
know increase growth. So the whole the whole narrative
there. But you know really poor user
experiences makes doing business and being at that place harder.
Yeah, I feel that I feel that that's what you know, between
the help desk experience. And then I did have a had some
time in retail as well. The that's what I seem to be
bringing a lot to the team at this point, is trying to bring
them back to the customer, you know, remembering that even even
if we don't actually have, we don't our, I am team doesn't
actually deal with the outside customers.
We take care of our internet, you know, basically our internal
customers with that having them learn how to actually.
Try to problem solve and try to not go.
Not my problem. We need to actually take
advantage you need to actually work through it.
That's a, that's a big windfall for us.
Hey, Chris one thought that I had was when you're talking
about project management. Is your background, one of the
big shifts that we've also seen as the shift to Agile project
management rate and specific to, I am have you what's your
perspective? You like it don't like it.
So I am a certified scrum master and Also been certified in
point, you know, in product management, you know, and, you
know, product ownership. So therefore in and Sally is a
Sally is actually a safe shop. So we are is scaled agile
framework. So, yes, I very much believe in
the agile process. I very much believe in scrum.
I very much believe in the different variations of it.
I've, I'm a big believer in it. I'm helping I'm act.
That's kind of another thing that that was the original
reason. When I was brought on five years
ago, just, you know, to Sallie Mae was to actually help them.
Great into the, you know, into the Agile development space.
That's great feedback Steve and I saw you really shaking your
head there. I guess you have some
perspective on that as well. Yeah, Sienna adopted an agile
methodology as well within the last couple of years and it's
really changed how we do things, but I was nodding my head mostly
because I think agile was designed more for software
delivery, right? So, it fits really well into
that model, and it doesn't necessarily fit so well in To an
architecture and infrastructure model so much but you can make
it work and it's infinitely better than doing waterfall or
anything like that this notion of long-term projects and and
you know just things dying on the vine is gone with that.
You have the ability to to have retrospectives and throw things
in your backlog and and change things as you go, you can really
adapt and go makes us agile and makes us a lot more productive.
And while there was a lot of resistance from some of the
people that had been there long, Time.
There was a lot of us that really welcomed it and it's made
a huge difference in how we operate.
So let's talk a bit about the conference itself.
We're here at the end of day. Two of Gartner's.
I am conference and, you know, I think what we want to get and
try to capture a little bit of a time capsule of what we're
people's thoughts around today, you know, favorite sessions
highlight moments. It could be a session.
It could be a hallway conversation.
I think that's part of the magic of where we get.
People together and it's been a while since we've had, you know,
a number of people be able to congregate in a certain in a
single spot. I've certainly seen the uptake
this year having been to our essay and now here at Gartner
its back, right. I think people are for the most
part, sort of back to, you know, relatively normal this point,
but I just want to go around the table at this point.
We'll start with Scott is, what are some of those highlight
moments from the second day of the conference?
Any specific sessions or hallway?
Stations or vendor conversations.
That might have been had things like that.
That were interesting for you today.
Well, one of our conversation is with a vendor.
We already deal with. I don't know if cool to sell
point and we're sort of them. Yeah, we're still trying to
still trying to figure everything out with that were
fairly new with them, two or three years, maybe four years
in, but we're still trying to get everything worked out, get
the Kinks worked out of everything and We had a pretty
good conversation with them today about some of the things
that we're trying to do to better our processes and they
gave us some good, some good feedback, some good things that
we can try to do from there but there's still some things that
we just need to figure out on our own to try to push forward
with our processes at the moment because we were still pretty new
with it. So we're trying to get it
figured out. So this is a great opportunity
though. You've got a bunch of you know,
people who are Point customers. For example, here that have
experienced appointing it both customers and integrators, and
things like that. Might be good for undertaking
like breakfast talk, right. We have, you know, these awkward
breakfast's every morning where you're sitting on around tables,
like, I don't know who's going to show up and, you know, it's
an opportunity to kind of either commiserate, collaborate,
whatever, you know, where do you want to use to try and get
insights from that? And, you know, maybe I'll shout
out there as I hate. Maybe some point can hook you up
with another customers here that has had somewhere concerns or
issues. And how did they saw that?
It's Of the community. Right?
From, they'd any perspective is, I think for the most part it's
not Secret Sauce deploying software, doesn't matter whether
it's omata or sale point or save Ian or any other privilege
accident where maybe there isn't a lot of Secret Sauce in the
deployment process. Here's how we get things put in
place, here's what's next. What's next, looks nice, water
challenges, everyone deals with politics, everyone deals, with
funding resources, those sorts of things might gather some
ideas on, you know, how they have those conversations, Chris,
huh? Yourself.
I would think I wouldn't, I wouldn't point at a specific,
you know, at a specific in your specific event today or the last
couple days, it would have been more.
I think, I learned that Pam was not the golden key that I
thought it was to solve everything.
You know. I really had.
I had two things that was resonating in my mind when I
walked into this conference. What is IGA?
And what is Pam? You know like what can Pam
Really do and I thought Pam could solve all my solve all my
problems. I found out that really I needed
to split Pam and half and pay attention to just in time as
well as just enough access and those are the two things that I
as an operations manager. Really care more about then.
Yeah. Then the pret you know than the
than the Pam side I have another team that couldn't take care of
that site. You take care of the pan please.
So I have a new kind of a new Target to go after and then I
got to learn about that throughout the day.
Last two days and since your perspective I think you know I
think sometimes some of the veterans in the space sort of
get lost in the details and kind of take for granted.
I think it was Enrique from Gartner, he gave a good
presentation earlier today around Cloud infrastructure and
title what management. Kim Keem, whatever.
I hope we figure out which way we're going to pronounce it at
some point, but he has a view on the product space of identity
and I hope it would say because I'm whole giving I'm gonna give
him credit. And it's something that I've
also been thinking about is what are the different sort.
Of pillars of identity access management identity governance
and privileged access management kind of redundant access
management privileged access management but those three
Technologies really forming the core of any organization's
capabilities. You've got ought, you've got a
fun occasion. You got authorization get life
cycle, things like that. It is interesting to hear folks
who are looking at the different and they're focusing on specific
pillars. We had Rosa black with someone.
I worked with a long long, long time ago.
She came into this conference, from a view of.
I want to note today is all about Pam.
I'm going to focus on Pam related information and today
was other things, right? Things like that.
So, it is interesting. Sort of here, the strategy, if
we can have your, how you're attacking the sessions.
Craig. So you're on the opposite side.
Everyone, here's a customer. You're on the vendor side, I
guess, what has been some of the highlights, you know, for you,
as you've entered the conference today and probably the
conversation saving Jemma seat for lunch to get invaded.
The podcast but well worth it. Yeah no.
I mean the conversations been having with people, I mean
there's been great feedback on a lot of the sessions of attended.
I think the keynote this morning was somebody from Pixar talking
about storytelling and I think the important thing there is
you're talking about, securing budget and competing budgets.
They're having just now and making compelling arguments
about why people should do anything about identity.
So you winning the hearts and minds of people in the front
line and service desk is one thing.
But mean Chris you said you know people think That we don't talk
to our external customers. But if you do strong identity,
governance, or manager identity released properly you do.
So one Senior Management sea level people are doing business
impact assessment of the key risks in their organization.
If that's, you know, protecting their critical assets of their
information and data about Pi or financially sensitive data,
identity, governance or strong identity policy can do that.
If it's people that for example, maybe the manage the National
Road Network and its Legacy systems that manage that making
sure those systems are properly managed and they have that risk
under control ensures that they keep those roads operating.
And then being able to tell that story to get the budget, to show
the advantages to your external customers.
And the people on the front line in the organization, I think.
Yeah. Hopefully people have taken from
that the ability of telling a good story, and I'm making it
compelling to show why identity is so important.
And crucial, I really did enjoy that first opening Keynote.
Was Matthew loon. I think is was his name and you
know, having the the pics is experience with The Simpsons and
Pixar and that storytelling. I think this is something that
Jim and I have been doing you know for the last several years
and this is something we go into our you know our work lives with
strategy development things is what's the story.
What is it that we're trying to convey as part of this strategy?
And I think it's something that gets lost a lot of times in the
details like oh we're going to roll on IJ platform.
What like that doesn't like, what does that get for me?
Like, at that doesn't, that doesn't do.
There's a spark joy for me, right?
What is it? We're trying to solve and really
try to share that message. Steve, what about yourself other
than appearing, on the identity of the center podcasts?
What are some of the other highlights from day two for you?
That's definitely the biggest highlight for sure.
Obviously quite a few things actually.
I don't think I have a specific favorite session, but some
overarching themes, right? So you mentioned.
Kim. That's a big one for me.
I've been thinking about that for quite some time.
I'm kind of along the lines of all other identities, right?
If we haven't got Workforce figured out by now, there's a
problem, right? You either don't have budget or
you don't have resources to be able to nail down the work for
side of things, but all other, all other identities matter and
that could be machine identities.
It could be RPA. It could be service accounts.
You know, if you're doing your due diligence on all the other
things investing in MFA and and lifecycle management for all
those other things, why aren't you doing it for those other
accounts? It's almost low hanging fruit to
a threat actor, right? So, I was happy to learn more
about Kim and happy to see that. It's one of those things in the
hype cycle, where it's like, you should probably be doing this
now. So being a company that's
adopted a cloud. First mentality, we exist in
several of the major clouds right now but we don't have an
amazing story around that and I think it's something that needs
to be addressed. And I think Kim is a big part of
us being able to do that. The second Would be the
converged. Infrastructure is now, right.
So we're looking at Best in breed in the governance space
and the Pam space and the access management space.
But we're seeing companies like OCTA, doing it in All 4, One
type thing, and that may work for some companies that may not.
It may work for others or may not work for others, but I think
it's an interesting play, and I think that seeing more of that
is a good thing for the industry, because it started
it's starting to take us away. Away from these silos right?
Like I'm best in breed here and best in breed here and best in
breed here. But I don't talk to any of the
other pieces, right? So, a big part of what our
methodology is in Siena, is that we want things to build this
identity fabric. We heard that today too, but so
that we share signals between all those things.
So we can make educated decisions about identity
throughout the entire ecosystem because it is a system of
systems, right? So Jim, how about yourself
what's the Highlight for you highlight?
For me, I'll do them being on the show other being either this
all the time though. Sorry for you.
Shout out. I love do Shadows.
Who our listeners are pivot Kana stop by and she picked me out of
the crowd. She said, I couldn't miss you
with your crazy hair and your wild suit, and she like the
suit, but that wild, it's a blue suit.
Yeah, she, she said she listens to the show.
She was off her daily walk. A lot and, you know, between us,
there's a rotation of identity of the center with NPR Podcast,
which production You those pretty decent?
Yeah, they're catching up to us. Yeah, they're catching up with
us, right? No, but it's so great, like
meeting all the folks who listen.
And so one thing she said was so many times when she listens to
the show and thinks of a question and then doesn't like,
send it to us. Right away.
Our project, she's doing them us.
Yeah, this is linked in some, right, but she's off for a walk.
So I get it and then to like forgets what?
She wanted to ask, and then never send everyone series.
But Where to point out. So we did respond to that one.
Twitter like 50 questions in one Twitter.
Yeah, and the man who submitted that here is Chris power.
He threw down the gauntlet. We accepted the challenge.
Yeah. So just some little proof that
we're not just like making these things up.
Yeah, you came up with like, I don't know, eight hundred
different topics in. I don't know how many characters
you get into a tweet, but it was like, jam packed with stuff.
It was good. Those are the types of things
that I like to do. And like, okay, that's a good
question because it's always just Jim.
And I thinking about ideas, And you pull that, you know the
curtain sometimes it's Friday afternoon.
We have no idea. We're going to talk about and we
figure it out at the last second kind of like put something
together so definitely you know tweets help and Arpita for
listening. If you've got questions, you
know, tell our favorite virtual assistant and we'll set it off
again, you know, make a note, whatever that stuff is cool,
Steven. And I have treated, you know,
messages through Linkedin and stuff like that.
I mean, that's part of the community, right?
I think that's the one thing I found and I'm sure Craig can
Echo that is people are So you won't share information and
discuss things. Again, we're not talking Secret
Sauce, you know, this is identity and access management.
Everybody has similar challenges and there might be things that
are out there. So definitely encourage folks to
reach out highlights for you. Jeff, I really like the Pixar
thing. I got tell you right now, this
is a highlight being able to sit down and have a conversation
with identity with people who are, you know, In The Biz, this
is the largest show we've ever done, we've got, you know, six
people around this room in this in this week.
Thank you are awesome. And having a conversation with
real people is very cool. You and I get to talk all the
time, we're not real people, they were not real people.
We're just seeing a little squares on people's.
I guy on the screen. You and I get to talk all the
time. What's rare for us is to be able
to have, you know, meaningful conversations with folks are out
there living it and really kind of its educational for me to
like what are the problems that people are seeing up there?
I certainly have a Viewpoint doesn't mean it's right wrong
and different right there. Just what else is going on in
the world stuff like that and you know, just being able to
have fun. No, we had a, you know,
interesting show that we went to last night.
I think, you know, a couple people here in the room.
Probably will keep it, you know, clear for the people who might
be listening that might get us in trouble but hopefully it was
memorable. I know that was for me.
Definitely. I sort of knew what was going to
happen but you know get into but I didn't realize it would be to
that level, but it was I enjoyed it.
I think it was awesome. You know that that's those that
kind of stuff is like the Highlight for me.
Lighter topic. So you haven't told us what the
questions going to be but I'm ready.
Well, that's a good lead-in, because here's my question.
I'm going to put everyone on the spot to tell me what is then the
the best vendor swag events dinner.
You know, something that you've seen or experienced here, you
know, throughout the show, will start with Scott and say, okay.
What is if it's going to be a shaming moment, we will spare
the vendor. You, we can, maybe you can lose
use, you know, descriptive words around it.
But what's been the best vendor swag or event thing?
That's that you've experienced so far.
Well, we did get to go to a party.
It was a kind of a Yeah, well went to we had drinks said, you
know, at one of the local lounges downstairs downstairs in
the in the casino area that was nervous.
That was a big one. Yeah.
That was a pretty big. That was nice.
The or door or d'oeuvres were amazing?
Yeah, yeah. They were, I know, it's kind of
bad just to say that it's what the Highlight was or.
But yeah, for me, especially like you, I'm an introvert.
So that's big for me. But yeah, that was that was,
that was great. He was a good atmosphere,
everything like that, it was real.
Eyes, free food, and drink is very difficult to turn down.
Is Chris, is that yours as well? I will say the unknown the
unnamed thing from last night was probably the highlight of
my, you know. Yeah.
The highlight real highlight is for, you know, events, you know
events are, you know, Swag is kind of things.
I'm a sucker for, you know, for security socks.
So that was my like you know when I walked in the door into
the vendor all that was what I was looking for.
I basically just really Did just do a beeline up and down the
rows just to basically go. Hey, can I have some socks?
Great, you know, and just kept picking those up.
I haven't been able to go through the Thunder Hall.
Who's got the socks? IBM, has sucks.
Let's see here. I mean I'm had sucks and I there
was red and black socks. I don't remember who those guys
are. We're talking socks.
I can your feet? Yeah.
Rat-like. Audit regular good,
old-fashioned dress socks. Optive, headstocks.
Those were the I got three pairs of socks yesterday.
That was my, that was my goal. All right, good.
And are you going to wear them wear?
I will. Okay, Stephen about yourself the
on the show that will be remain. Unnamed was the highlight for me
and I hadn't had a chance to tell you guys this, but another
vendor, I was meeting afterwards and they surprised me with the
unnamed show, again, at 10:00 really.
So, I did the doubleheader of these in deferral.
It was slightly different, but every bit as enjoyable as the
first very cool. Yeah, all right.
Once cramping, our style here, we have to file trademark or
something. Craig, you're on the you're on
the vendor side. So you're probably doing more of
the entertaining or at least being part of some of those
plans have been first and foremost off to the shoe is
finished. I need to find out the name of
the other named Joe. I think I'm dumb shamelessly
going to say. I think, I mean we've had
feedback weird, they'll monitor offering a prize of Lego
Technic, Lamborghini or Ferrari. Which a lot of people are being
Keen to enter. Yes, that's us.
I want the Lamborghini. And then, in terms of swaggin,
I'm going to have to apologize to the guys because I've
forgotten her name. The dude, give me their lived in
Edinburgh for a year as well. So we had a bit of a connection
talking about the fact that I'm from Edinburgh to and but as a
Scottish person, I love my whiskey.
And these guys are handing out ice molds to mold your own giant
round ice cubes. So yeah, I had to take a couple
of those to make some jnh balls at home.
So here's the secret, right? If you're giving out swag it's
got to be packable, right? I've seen You know, lightsabers
and swords and things like that, it's like yeah, there's like
what you can do with that man. If that's gonna go in someone's
overhead, it's going to poke an eye out.
Whatever it may be Jim. How about you highlight or spend
your swag? I got this great one Cosmos
ChapStick and I got a beer koozie from Save Ian.
Okay, those are my this, my items.
Okay. How about you?
I haven't gotten any swag yet, but I've had nice dinners, you
know, I think the show last night was I light material for
sure. I'll go with that even though it
was self self swag, I don't know if that's a word but I'm just
going to create a right now. You paid for your swag.
Yeah, exactly. It was, it was cool.
I'm glad we're able to do it and I'm glad people received as
well, which is kind of cool. All right, we're going to go
ahead and wrap it up there. I really do again.
Appreciate you guys being part of this want to thank you all
for listening contributing being part of the conversation.
You know taking the time out again from your days and I know
these are long days. I think yesterday I finally made
bed Made it back to my room like 2:30 and publish the LinkedIn
post, hey, we got a new show, you know, stuff like that.
So, if it's again, it's super appreciated for sure.
Any last final thoughts? Jim, no.
It's just, I'm appreciating everybody like you are cool.
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