You're listening to the identity of the sender podcast.
This is a show that talks about identity and access management
and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
started. Welcome to the identity of the
center podcast. I'm Jeff.
And that's Jim. Hey Jim hey, Jeff, how are you?
Oh, not so bad yourself. I'm good man.
It's it's been an interesting couple weeks, a lot of travel.
We made it out to San Francisco. We did yeoman's work with the
idea to Center podcast at the octane conference had a
fantastic time. Met.
So many cool people reconnect with old friends and now it's
back to normal life. Yeah, somewhat I'm literally
just Just getting off of the plane and rolling into my home,
studio office here, to get this recorded today.
But yeah, definitely octane was very cool.
My first one, definitely recommend it for folks who are
interested in acting or maybe current customer.
Maybe kind of want to check them out.
Definitely give a shout-out to the active team, Stephen April
Kenzi Joel, I'm sure there are other people that I'm gonna I
was gonna say you just went down the danger, route of like
thanking people. You know, you're going to leave
somebody out who's like an important key person.
Try to try to give credit where it's due, but yeah, if I forgot.
Sorry, delicious you there, but yeah, it was a lot of it was a
great time. Definitely looking forward to
doing something like that. Again, I'm sure we were, you
know, you and I working some things for the future, that,
that might help with that. But, yeah, so thanks to the
octane crew, thanks to our SM for definitely sponsoring us to
get us out there and, you know, putting stuff in the hotel.
So we can actually do that kind of stuff.
My favorite part of the conference was, literally the
last, like, five minutes of our last show where the crumble,
like the walls are crumbling around us.
So, Like, it was like, you know, hey, the conference is over and
the crews just came in to start tearing out Place apart.
And we were in this little room, and the walls are shaking.
And, yeah. And it's like the Matrix kind of
being deconstructed around us as were as we're finishing out.
Yeah. Well, I guess my number one.
Best thing about the conference was the snacks.
They did a great job with the snacks.
You did a fantastic job. No.
But having the session with Eugenio Pace was kind of a
highlight to A joking around afterwards because he was
talking about, you know, his path into identity and access
management. He's like I was a visual studio
developer and very Uris that I was like yeah that's what I was
doing around that time. Like why did I start to
businesses sold for six billion dollars too much baseball too
much. Yeah too many hobbies too many
hobbies. Yeah that was very cool to talk
with Eugenio and shiv definitely want to highlight moments but
yeah. It'll be tough for me to forget
just wall shaking around us as we're trying to do recording.
We didn't have that. Probably, honey.
Oh, that was a very fun episode so don't go check that out.
We have a whole list. I think we did like five or six
episodes on octane so people can check that out.
But speaking of Founders and things like that, we have
another founder with us today, we're going to talk through some
of the. I am Trends to kind of keep an
eye on, and this is coming from a CX, CEO and founder
perspective. We've got ax, I decide.
He's the founder and CEO of observe.
D, welcome to the show. Actually, thank you for having
me Jeff. Thanks so much for joining us
for one of the things that we like to do.
When we have someone on for the first time, is to kind of learn
about their identity origin story.
How do they get into? I am did, is it something that
that you chose, or did it choose you?
I think great questions. So you know, my association with
identities phase goes, back to early 90s to be honest, when I
started my career with the computer industry, right?
So I used to work for Oracle Consulting and is a part of the
Consulting. Innovations.
You know, that we go and Implement lot of Oracle
products, and is a part of that I came across what Apple's
identity of the days in early 90s.
And that's when I kind of started my association with it
and kind of grew as the time passed by.
But it said maybe 10, 20 years ago, I started my what I demand
to know what and started my own company.
The first company I started was managed service provider and our
organization used to work with Is industry, various companies
trying to help them with their meat, that audit and compliance
perspective, right? And this is when we kind of
threw my associates and Greg and space until about two years ago,
I saw that the companies that we were working with really
struggling actually from the identity and meeting that
compliant, and only requirement in, especially from a security
standpoint of having his security.
And this is, when gonna we launched our platform as well,
to help organizations to address these.
So, it kind of grew all the time, to be honest.
And the longer I work in this space that my association with
identity, gets deeper, and deeper and deeper.
Yeah, and now you're with observe ID, I guess.
For those who aren't familiar with observe ID, I'm looking at
the tag on the website identity security, for multi-cloud and
hybrid environments, give us like the 30 to 60 second kind of
elevator pitch on. What you what it is that you
guys do and the problems you're looking to solve.
Certainly so identity is basically a cloud new identity
Center. A resource and tuttleman and
access management platform right in in in a really short and
brief worries about identity especially that focuses on
observability and enforcement for hybrid, as well as the
multiply our environment. So that's what exactly the
platform does. Ox a you as a CEO you must talk
to your peers and other organizations must talk to a lot
of clients and potential clients and I'd like to kind of pick
your brain around a few major trends that are happening in the
IM space. The first is converged, I am
which we start talking about that a few years ago when you
started to see platforms that were doing, Multiple areas of I
am and, you know, Jeff and I usually use the term, the
triumvirate or the trifecta of IM Services, which is like SSO,
IGA, and Pam. And so, you saw some players who
came out with platforms. I do all three.
Then you what you've also seen is some of the major players,
you know, expanding into a second or a third tier And in
fact, today is just looking at, you know, page from forgerock
where it's like Cloud first identity governance.
So, you know, we're at the octave conference last week,
they're you know, pitching a tent in the user lifecycle
Management in the privileged access management.
Obviously they're they're Mainstay of courses in access
management. Single sign-on Etc.
But I wanted to get your thought because this seems like Like the
tidal wave Trend. Like it's, it's the one kind of
taking over the space and I wonder if it spells the end for
Partnerships or some of the Partnerships that have existed
between firms. And then I'm also interested
like, you know, how does this affect the I am practitioner is
a good trend. Is it does?
This is better for You know, clients and buyers of I am
technology or is this something that in the long run is going to
hurt the buyer? Excellent question by Jim.
So I personally believe that it's a really a positive trend
and we have been talking about convergence of all these various
products for a long time, but never actually, I have executed
on it. Right?
What? I normally see into the
business, when I discussed with Potential Prospect of our
customers, This spends millions of dollars trying to implement
this product and they need multiple products to address
that into an identity security posture Management in with the
fact that the shortage of the skill.
Labor said, in the fact that where, you know, kind of
security is definitely concerns. But, you know, if it takes too
long to implement or needs a specialized skill set, it
becomes kind of a create its own problem.
So we'll try to address some some problems, you're creating
some additional issues along the process and so, I believe it's a
good Trend. I think the organizations are
looking for it. So to speak in our not one
Devotion, to be honest, but address the problem is on hand
as opposed to trying to walk down and implementing and
managing these platforms and still not gaining what they're
looking out of this product, right?
Not only meet your clients in order to requirement but as the
organizations are moving into the cloud identity Securities is
taking your Forefront as well. So the integrated And in my
opinion can address security as well and your compliance and
auditing at once. And so, I mean it's a good Trend
in my opinion which think about my comment or question of does
this spell the end for Partnerships?
I remember Wait back that sell point when they first came out
with their their cloud system, it was Cloud, single sign-on.
So it was kind of like competitive to OCTA.
They wound up dropping that product because I think it
really precluded them from partnering with vendors that are
in this other vendors in the space.
So I guess I'd throw it back to you like is this going to kind
of become the trend where each Company kind of like, tries to
solve the entire problem themselves rather than
complimenting their Suite with with Partners.
I simply believe, at least, in the short run, the partnership,
your eyes kind of coming, you know, it's going to stop.
And as all of the major organizations trying to add on
this capability into that one product.
And so that's certainly, my belief that at least in the near
short-term features. That partnership process is
certainly is going to stop and I think that's good to be honest
for the funding organizations, in my opinion because they are
other D because single platform rather than dealing with these
multiple vendors and then still try to integrate them and still
there are unable to gather what they're looking for because, you
know, I don't meet that requirement is still have to be
lot of customizations to those products.
So I really believe that, yes, I sort of agree with what you're
saying. Jim at listening near to the
near future. I think that's definitely going
to put be going to be put on a hole.
You know, Jeff, I was thinking that for what you and I have
done. Historically is advisory around
I am or helping organizations kind of develop their roadmap.
For their, I am program and part of that is always evaluating the
marketplace where the technology is available and which one is
right for us. What should we buy?
And to me, this makes it Even harder to read the landscape,
right? There's just if every offender
does everything that how do we decide?
Which one's right for us, right? Yeah, Band-Aid is a Band-Aid,
right point. I know, it doesn't really matter
if you know, it's a good question.
I think we've seen this trend in the past, right?
We saw some of those sort of the Legacy, I am players, like, IBM
and Oracle, and others sort of build these behemoths.
See a with another one, right? They have all these features and
functionality to kind of make the platform and then something,
you know, something comes along to disrupt it.
Something like a sale point. For example, 20 years ago,
however, long it's been right and then you have things like
OCTA coming in And disrupting from an authentication
standpoint at some point I think cyber-ark probably was a
disruptor. I don't know why that might be
kind of hard to under to grok right now, but I see this kind
of as a cycle as people were going around and thinking about
this and it is make it difficult when you have these large
platform plays, I think we've been in this transition from
on-prem to the cloud for two decades.
Now, it seems like there's probably a third or fourth
decade still ahead. Because there are still a lot of
companies who are Still on-prem a gym you and I see these pretty
much every day as we're working with with clients that still
have a pretty heavy on-prem footprint.
It takes a while for Enterprises to make a shift that momentous
from an IT standpoint I'm seeing fewer of those that are 100%
Cloud. A lot of them were in this
hybrid scenario and it could be because they have maybe this
Legacy application that just doesn't work in the cloud and
it's vital to their business and their business is kind of behold
into this one app that And of drives, you know, everything
that they do. So I think we'll see this, you
know, kind of continue on for probably another 10 years or so.
Unfortunately, and then you start getting into the
multi-class. I'm okay.
Well, let's talk through AWS and, you know, and Azure and
Google is sort of like the three primary players.
I think having the capability to be able to spread across all
three of, those is probably where things will end up.
There will be people who want to use, you know, AWS for its
strengths as your for its strings, Etc.
So you start getting to this platform.
Okay, well how are we going to do?
I am across multi-cloud. It's probably going to be some
sort of, you know, platform that Bridges across those and we're
seeing sort of like this metal layer of translation taking
place. You know, we've talked with a
few different players in this space Ox a is one of the players
in this space as well with observe ID to kind of help
organizations really manage across those three different
environments. So I don't think it's going to
get easier. I think it'll continue to get
Harder and more complex but there will be solutions that
will help simplify some of that from a go-forward perspective.
Yeah. You've really just touched on
you know a big Trend towards wanting to get.
I am as a service. You also see what I see with.
A lot of clients is moving toward or having already moved
toward an MSP mssp delivery model.
You can see those two things converging to being.
I just want to have identity management as a service.
I want somebody I want some 800 number or some service now inbox
that my folks can go to and request access and somebody else
takes care of it all. So you know, pay by the drink
whatever you want to call it. But this idea that, you know, I
want to be able to bundle Services as well as bundle my I
am Technologies. I could see that Up becoming a
trend as well that maybe we're talking about next year.
Yeah, I don't care how the pizza is made.
I just want the pizza. Yeah, one thing I would like to
add in here is, you know, we have been talking to a lot of
mid-market companies that I did and they especially for the
green feel like large corporations who have already
implemented some sort of a solution.
It's really hard for them to kind of move away from it.
But the reality is the identity issue is across the board.
Whether it's The Enterprise customers or mid-market as well,
right? And, and a lot of mid-market
companies, whether you're talking about any financial
institute, CPA, firm, whatever, you talk, the other shine of be
from implementing the solutions. Because of the fact that there
is too many product, very expensive takes too long to
implement in the return on investment is just not there for
them, right? So this converged product or
platform that we've been talking about is resonating.
Well, among them. If they're going to look for
multiple platforms, rather have a one single integrated platform
that serves that problem. So yeah, I'm glad you brought up
the bill Market because I think it's the segment of the market
that it sometimes gets ignored. So many vendors are chasing
after the big household, name logos.
And I think, you know, it's my go-to saying With Jeff, is like,
who needs? I am everybody needs.
I am all the Middle Market needs.
I am, and I think the default fallback is like, Hey, we're a
Microsoft shop but that will only get you so far, especially
if you've got, you know, different, our trp different CRM
and you're integrating all these different platforms may be a
Salesforce or something like that.
So if you've got a heterogeneous environment, you've got more of
a need for an And I am system that you know call it converged
I am but can integrate with all these different vendor based
Technologies. So let me shift to the next
Trend. Wanted to pick your brain Iran
because I know you guys spend a lot of time focused on this
problem as well which is the multi-cloud.
So it's organizations that have a presence at AWS Azure more and
more we're seeing Google Cloud. And have to manage.
I am for those infrastructure or platform as a service providers.
They have to have the same level of control over identity and
access that they have for the traditional on-premise
environment. And what we're seeing more, and
more in the Middle Market, is organization is leaving behind
the, the traditional on-premise A senator and trying to get as
much as they can, you know, all cloud and you hear about Cloud
first. But somewhere in station,
especially younger organizations, are really making
this shift or have already made this shift to be fully Cloud,
but managing I am across multiple Cloud vendors is tough,
right? Yeah, I mean you brought a great
question, B. A ploughed Faust is definitely a
valid strategy, right? I mean, that's what I
reorganisations is. Kind of adopted nowadays but the
cloud forest. Approach is will not lead into
uniform environment, especially from the identity active and the
on-premises environment. As we know, primarily you got
static for the most part. He wants you to point your data
centers. There's very little change
that's happening. Other than creating users and/or
in the users. And so the traditional
platforms, I am platforms are working just fine.
You would go and visit a lie. Audit your environment on a
monthly or quarterly, your business and you'll approve them
and you're done for the most part because it kind of secure
to multiple different ways, whether it's eating into, you
know, Iceland get network or sitting into your own data
center, there are multiple ways to secure, but as everybody is
adopting, This Cloud was strategy, that's changing
because now, you are out in the open world where your resources
are much more dynamic. I would add the resource sheet
model resource like constantly ongoing basis, and it's becoming
a need in today's environment where you are constantly kind of
monitoring as well as discovering this, entitlement
along with your accounts and optimizing them.
And this is where the holes Cloud infrastructure and our
management sort of born. Yeah.
So I feel like the challenges for the I am practitioner well,
you know, the challenge, but the desire is, I can manage.
I am my own Prem Network, just fine, I've got my Ig a system.
I've got my my IDP I've got my privileged access management,
tools. Why can't I just use those for
the cloud or how, how far can they get me?
And then, what do I need to go above and beyond that?
Yeah, I mean, so, I mean, you didn't get made question night,
Right. So, the problem with the
existing platforms and - cause they're not dynamic in the
nature itself, right? So, that more of, if you
remember the old days where we would configure and then done
aggregations on a nightly basis or once a week benefiting, well,
that scenario doesn't apply anymore in its place wall
because the infrastructure is much more agile and much more
Dynamic. And then on top of it, that
infrastructure is a bore Adding it all different layer on how
these resources are being accessed constantly.
And the third layer is the identity, access management that
multi clouds are providing the all have their own model.
So there's no a new uniform model across the board.
So if you have a multi Cloud, you don't know if we are
following which model you're falling and this is we're adding
see, I am adds a lot of value where you can bring a lot of
uniformity across, right? And could you explain to us
Explain the audience. Just what see I am.
I always call that Keem. But could you give us an
overview of Hakeem is? Yeah.
Kim. Yeah.
There are multiple ways to pronounce.
Some people call it C. I am Some Coal seam.
Some call came of course, but I've heard Kim a lot lately, to
be honest. So I think looks like
everybody's kind of concentrating when Kim which
seems to be the right word and avoid confusion with Siem as the
same time. So, Again Cloud Kim is nothing
but you know as I indicated before, it's more of a cloud
native technology focusing on more of the cloud infrastructure
environment. It's includes the optimizations.
Entitlement optimizations in the cloud continues resources as
well as entitlement Discovery along with the visualisations in
the all time which is what kind of you know, compromises.
The See I am one, right? And so in terms of what it
stands for is cloud infrastructure, entitlement
management. Sorry I am right?
So, yeah, I definitely feel like that's a big piece of the
puzzle. Jeff.
Are you having any thoughts here in terms of this Cloud
management challenge? Well, before I even get the
cloud managed, I'm thinking with their needs to be like some sort
of like dictionary or book, or something, it's in to try and
keep up with. All of the different acronyms we
have in this space scheme, cam. What if your name is Kim, you
know, do we have to come on things him Commander?
Remember, her can command. Oh no, it's just a cartoon or
something. No, no, she had a like, an IT
radio show, that was popular through the 90s and early 2000s.
Oh, I don't know. You're a really old.
So I had a have no idea what that is, multi-cloud.
You know, I think it's It's not going away.
Obviously, I think the strategy that I see with a lot of
companies falling, as they would like to be on one Cloud for the
sheer cost savings and simplicity of managing it.
But there is always this wrinkle that comes through.
And, you know, hey, we are, you know, Microsoft shops, of
course, we're using Azure. And then you start talking to
the business is, oh yeah, we use AWS over here or you see gcp,
you know, over here for something else.
I think it is important because what happens is, if you don't
know about it, you've lost it to the visibility of it, which
means you're going to vary. Difficult time, try to protect
it. The challenge becomes as that.
All three of these vendors have different ways of managing
identity in the cloud. There is no standard for this is
how we're going to set up an account across the different
Nao. Different Cloud providers.
So you have to have not only the knowledge but the expertise to
be able to manage all three of those things and you know at
least right now identity as an industry in a field is hot, it
is difficult to find people who have the in-depth knowledge
across all three. So Being able to effectively
track what is going on within those environments when I'd any
perspective and then have a necessary, you know, skills
Insight know how business process to be able to manage
across those those different environments is going to be key,
because people are not saying, hey, let's, let's not move to
the cloud. Everyone is going to the cloud
how quickly they do it is. The question it is not.
Oh, yeah, we're going to go back to on-prem because it was
better. Nobody is doing that.
So, this is, if your If you're already struggling with it,
right? You got to get your hands around
it. If you're planning on going to
it, you should be planning on. How are we going to manage the
identities within each of those clouds as well?
I feel like Akshay was alluding to something that is not enough.
I don't think it's necessarily A multi-cloud or even a cloud
problem, it just happened to these things kind of came up
around the same time that public clouds became available.
So it's containerization in other words, just breaking the
model that you know you have to have a server to run software or
even a VM to run software is like now you're just running
containers and then devops so you can do all these things.
If you have your own data center that you run yourself or a
private Cloud, but I think we're has a shins are saying hey you
know when we move to AWS We're going to do devops or it's a,
it's an application or some initiative of the organization
is taking. We're going to build some new
platform or application. We're going to do it if us or do
it right, this time. And then so they go and they
build this great. I Tianjin and they try to not
get the security people involved because they're just going to
slow it down. Then the security people are
like hey this thing secure, right?
Like I better check. Make sure it's secure.
Oh my goodness. Like I don't even know what's
going on here. So I think it's kind of like an
education. Is that the dev world?
The infrastructure world is changing so rapidly.
And you know, what we've been doing in our own data centers
for 20 years, really hasn't changed all that much we went
from servers to VMS well now that we're going to Containers
this like a whole new ballgame Ox I know you wanted you to
chime in there. What do you got to say about
this? Yeah.
What I was going to say is you're absolutely right idea.
Might so what have we noticed in the industries?
Lot of time, the companies who go through this group lines and
other requirements. They definitely have hybrid
environments, but as soon as they start talking about the
cloud, they all have multi-cloud.
They are definitely more than one Cloud, but when the auditing
complaint comes, they are lost. They don't know how to respond
to them. And so, for a long time, they're
just ignoring I've seen. Simply ignore him.
They try not to bring that up unless it becomes an issue.
And so I think the Security Professionals are still catching
up and still realising that this Cloud identity securing.
The cloud is is a real problem in education is definitely is
required and especially in multi-cloud.
And, you know, getting these containerize or AKs or reduce
functions that we, we know. That nowadays people that was
using it along with the infrastructure is a core, all
that collectively make it so complicated that security
professional does not want to actively address these issues
because they don't know how to. So education is definitely
warranted. So the third area that I wanted
to bring you back to it kind of feels like it was a trend that's
kind of losing steam. I want to get your opinion on
those user. Behavior analytics or user and
entity Behavior analytic. So it's like exit beam was like
the company nobody could stop talking about a couple of years
ago. I was really jazzed on it
because the vision of being able to understand what is normal
behavior versus what is anomalous?
Behaviour to me, sounds like exactly what is needed to stop
an attack, while it's happening. But I think a lot of Of
organizations found it's like you know the Visions, great
getting it, putting it into practice.
It's probably a little more difficult but I wanted to throw
it to you. What are your thoughts on user
Behavior analytics? Absolutely, so I personally
believe that user Behavior art is very important in being
proactive to address these issues, right?
So there's always a debate versus reactive versus
proactive. I mean, there are a lot of
platforms and tools out there that you can be Reacted to the
you can collect the law, then you can analyze and then you can
respond to it. But in order to stop this cyber
attacks, you have to be proactive.
And how do you, how do you stay Proactive or do you find
anomalies right unless and unless you do some sort of the
user Behavior Analysis or some predictive analysis with RTI a
man or whatever that may be? There's no other way to predict
at the moment. I'm sure lot more research and
development needs to be done, but I believe it adds a very
important. Current components to reduce or
mitigate the cybersecurity research, especially identity
with it cybersecurity is. So, I believe it's here to stay.
Is there more work needs to be done?
I'm sure there's more work needs to be done in in order to make
it more usable and really useful in the real world but it's
definitely important aspect of what we do to address.
How do you see the market addressing it in the future?
Is it a feature of Products, networking products, or do you
feel like this is core? I am functionality becomes the
best of breed you know, product approach.
It's definitely a feature set and I must tell you that we
offer that feature in observer, the as well.
We have essentially calling access detections and based on
various anomalies and user behaviors.
We haven't actually taken automated action.
So it's certainly a future within our platform and I see in
a lot more platforms. Offering that, another thing I
must point out Jim is, every time we speak, we talk to
prospect. They're all Are like really
interested. How does your Max's Behavior
work? Or how does the user behavior
analysis work? And they're like intriguing,
they want to know more about it. So we certainly see an interest
in that film starred. Yeah.
I mean, it seems to me like the vision spot on its who's going
to be able to execute and make it into something that just
works. So, oxy, been super generous
with your time, it's been Really fun conversation you and I had a
chance to connect earlier in the week and, you know, kind of prep
work preparing for the show and everything and we started
talking about all the travel that I've been doing.
I'm not sure how much trouble you've been doing lately, but
you did mention that you, you really enjoy traveling.
So I, you know, it's our tradition around here to end on
the lighter. Know we spent the last half hour
talking about all these heavy. I am topics.
So let's talk about travel for a minute.
What is your favorite or best travel experience and, and what
I'm looking for here is something that the listeners
might say, hmm. I think I'd like to do that as
well. Yeah, great, they topic gym.
So I must tell you that I'm a traveling freak, along with my
family. I am been to, I would say at
least 20, plus country myself and my family.
Pretty much more or less. Similar.
We try to go to visit at least one new country, almost every
year, maybe even more than one. Once it's, in fact, in my best
experience, I would say, is going to Iceland in the winter
watching Northern Lights. I think that experience was
phenomenal. I learned about Northern Light
since I was a kid, all right? And I was fascinated since then,
I'm sure everybody is for the most part.
Who knows of, not really light. And so, we had an opportunity to
go to Alaska. As you know, that you can watch
Northern Lights from lot of different locations around the
world rental asked about far, I would say, maybe five six years
ago, we're cheersing in the couldn't really see the normal
light. And so I had another opportunity
to go to Iceland two years ago in the middle of the night.
Clear sky clears. Pure Sky were watching him like
in. We would wake up in the middle
of the night drive all the way into the national park and sit
there in the open in the freezing cold.
Watch the Western World alight but it was so real.
I mean it was just a fascinating experience watching this
colorful light. I would say that everyone you
know for working at Ford or has a time to go should have that on
their bucket list to be honest. So Iceland or the Northern
Lights That's right. Yeah.
So I think Iceland is always been one that I want to do as
well. They've got the geothermal pulls
their right so you can go. Yes, they do.
Swim in hot water and it's completely I guess invented from
the core of the Earth. Yeah, so we would go in the
middle of the night to watch the Northern Lights.
Once we see the normal line to be go and jump in that this
geothermal pool in the middle of the night at Tyrion 3:00 in the
morning. So it was a fantastic
experience. That sounds awesome.
Hey Jeff, how about you? You've had?
Yeah. Yeah.
I've had some pretty good travel experiences.
Yeah. I've been pretty fortunate, you
know, before I get to my night was just kind of pondering here.
I think more people should travel and I wonder if it's eat
and especially visiting other countries.
Trees. Is it easier for the Eastern
Hemisphere to visit other countries because there are just
so many more that are connected to each other versus, you know,
on the US side, maybe the Western Hemisphere where you
basically got two, oceans that basic kind of separate you other
than going, you know, North or South either to Canada or down
to South America stuff like that.
It's kind of got me thinking here is like, okay, well, I wish
more people would travel but it's expensive to go across, you
know, a big ocean, especially you know, flights these days.
So just food Just no need to like bring it out as like I was
kind of kidding my mind. My actually, my best travel
experience is probably I got to actually Paris, I went with my
wife to Paris for our 10-year anniversary a while back and we
stayed near the Louvre and had like, basically kind of like
this to like, two-bedroom apartment, basically the
kitchen. So we kind of lived, like,
parisians for basically, two weeks, you know?
Got to go down on the street, get fresh bread.
I you made liberal use of Google Translate to get things done.
You got to see all the stuff that is in Paris.
It was just a fantastic experience, I would go back in a
heartbeat. The other one is a visit
actually made it. Should I India?
Well, actually ten years ago roughly, so kind of my first
international travel and going to, you know, completely
opposite side of the world, nineteen and a half hour.
The flight getting off at the wedding in Chennai and then, you
know, walking out. And just seeing this sea of
humanity of just waiting for Pete, you know, people waiting
to pick up at the airport. So and we had really great hosts
and able to kind of help me make sure that I didn't do anything
too stupid. And keep me, Keep Me honest with
things. So I think those are my two
favorite things but I would definitely, you know, a coax a
here is get out there and see the world especially visit other
countries you know that Think that is a big eye-opener for a
lot of people kind of realize that, you know, your ranch
dressing isn't the most important thing in the world.
Jim, what about yourself? Well, I've got a your comment
about travel and that you wish more people could do it.
Because one thing I realize, so, I travel to Western Europe and
my 20s or early 30s. And one thing I realized was
like, this is the first time I've gone somewhere, and Ben,
The quote-unquote Foreigner, you know like I was The Outsider
right and it was all the people who made me feel welcome as like
this is this is the way it should be.
And you don't realize that when you've never been in that
position, there's not no learning like actually doing.
And when you're in that position then people go and extend.
The Olive Branch to you and make you feel welcome.
You just have much more want to do that yourself.
So I could Pick some cool experience like that, but I'm
going to actually pick a United States location myself.
But it is the what I think is one of the two coolest dates.
So you have Alaska, which had never been to the one.
I was going to choose as Hawaii. I've been to Maui Hawaii and to
me that's like that's where it's at.
And I say that the at the Ritz-Carlton so that made it
even 100 times better. I mean they know customer
service like nowhere else I'd be that is The best hotel I've ever
been to in my entire life. Their customer service was
fantastic. It's interesting that you're
talking about a hotel and mention their customer service.
Not like the rooms or the bad, or the food, and it sounds like
a real 1% problem here is what I'm hearing Jim.
So do like, we brought a bottle of champagne down to the pool as
a glass bottle of champagne and rather than somebody coming down
to say, you're not allowed to have class at the pool.
They brought a plastic carafe and said Would it be okay if we
put your champagne in this graph?
So rather than reprimand, I mean, that's a total mindset.
Like, you know, you'd expect to be reprimanded.
Yeah. Treat everybody.
Like the the Toddlers and their champagne.
You can't have Glass by the pool.
Let's put that into a plastic sippy cup for you because hey
we're all happy because it wasn't like, take your darn
glass and get out of our pool, right?
Exactly. Are you just or you pull the
power moving? You just you know, I open the
bottom, you chug it right there. The entire thing in front of
them, socks. A, I am totally, I, you know,
I'm sold on the whole Northern White's things and there's a
bucket list trip for me, for sure.
I would love to go to Iceland Sweden, sort of Denmark, Norway,
that, that whole area and be able to try and take it in.
So, I am very jealous of the story that you just told about
the lights. I mean, as that is badass.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. All right, why don't we go ahead
and wrap things up. Before we get things kind of
cleared out. For this week.
Any final thoughts XA, what should people be kind of taking
away things? Conversation and know?
We kind of talked about a few different Trends, you know.
Kind of your perspective is a CO and as a Founder converged, I am
multi-cloud. You be a sort of this.
I am platform, you know, kind of thing that's out there.
What are, what is the, you know, the one thing that if someone
listen to this, this is what you want them to take away.
I think if I have to say, Jeff one thing is identities.
Becoming a security problem. Now, right?
I Denis should not be looked upon just as audit and
compliance requirement. I think that's a one single most
important thing that coming out especially moving every
organizations in the cloud and energy security should be on the
Forefront of everyone's thought process, Jeff about yourself.
I want to close out this week. I think on the conversion, I am
front, I think it is all of us who do our homework in terms of,
developing our requirements. And then really understanding
And checkbox compliance. So you're going to have a number
of growing, number of products now that do all the things and
it's on the consumer to make sure you do your due diligence,
do your homework. I think some one of the factors
is going to be a lot of organizations are going to talk
about what they can do and what's on the roadmap and kind
of tried to blur the lines. Or they have an I'm product and
a cloud product and yes we can do all those things or you
talking about your Cloud product the one that you're talking to
me about are you just talking about your portfolio?
Then the third layer is okay, how do you license your product?
And when we're talking about all these different features, which
one's am I going to get with the licenses that I'm interested in
buying? So it's just, you know, I don't
want to say buyer, beware, it's more.
Make sure you do your homework, make sure you approach.
Really don't just look a like a table with a bunch of check
boxes. So it's much more than that.
Yeah, you know, I just realized this is going to go live on
November 21st. This is we're recording a
Thursday before that, and it's Thanksgiving this week.
So hopefully people have some time off.
They get to enjoy with their family, friends, whoever, you
know, get some food and stuff like that.
And if you have to work that day and very sorry, thank you for
your, thank you for your service.
I guess, we'll go ahead and leave it for this week.
I'll have in our show notes, a link to oxidize, LinkedIn
profile as well as a link to observe ID.
Observe i d.com so that you can kind of check out what he's been
working on as well as you know links to Jim myself for folks
who want to reach out and go from there.
So you can find us on the web by Danny at the center.com.
We're on Twitter at least so far.
It seems like it's slowly doing away with all the Twitter stuff
is liquid on, but we are there at idac podcast and we'll go
ahead and leave it for this week.
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