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This is identity at the center. 
If it has anything to do with I 

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am this is the go-to podcast. 
So if you're a beginner or an 

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expert or anyone in between 
you've found your new home 

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welcome to Identity at the 
center now your host Jim 

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McDonald and Jeff Steadman 
Welcome to the identity of the 

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center podcast I'm Jeff and 
that's Jim. 

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Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you 
not so bad yourself. 

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Good man, conference season 
starts in three, two. 

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One might be under way man. 
Type, you look here this yet. 

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Well it should be. 
I'm flying out on Saturday to 

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enjoy a little bit of extra time
in Texas. 

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Going to go to a country line 
dancing. 

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What do you think of that gross?
You want to go with us? 

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That's, that's a big 
unfortunately will not be there.

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I will be flying in on Sunday, 
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We won't be able to make it. 
I've already the Gartner, I am 

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Summit in the u.s. so I'll be 
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specifically. 
So I I'm sorry, I will not be 

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able to make your your gross 
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Dancing thing. 
I actually had never done line 

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dancing. 
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could never do the Macarena 
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Any of those things? 
Is but I do like watching people

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do it. 
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serious and get it down. 
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off and having fun. 
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it off. 
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got serious, I would look like a
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Yeah, I would look like a full 
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I'll watch it's entertaining, 
it's fine. 

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But yeah, I have no, no interest
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Yeah, I may sit down at the 
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wedding or whatever it may be, 
you know, chill relax, that kind

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of thing rather than try to get 
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these old bones move in a way 
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Yeah, well I've been we've been 
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You've been traveling a lot more
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I think the conference is going 
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burning the candle at both ends,
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to be the end of the travel for 
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Doesn't mean I won't be working,
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And so we've pre-recorded some 
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earlier so we're all cued up, 
don't worry, folks will have an 

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episode every Monday, the hits. 
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question you're going to bring 
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we're going on that. 
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recording, but it will treat our
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Yeah, I was thinking maybe 
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the gear sitting next to me 
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I ordered some new gear as well,
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me, but the tripods that I 
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arrive in time and probably will
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So now, I got to figure out if 
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the old gear, or some mishmash 
of the to, I got new microphones

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that I think would be super cool
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than the ones we've been using, 
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What? 
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Like their shotgun microphone. 
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Video mic to something like 
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It's designed to go on top of 
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nice and short portable shotgun 
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of it, so good for like a noisy 
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That's not our fate was 
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some sort of Mount. 
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when The in the package that I'm
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So, what's your plan for your 
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sell it or just putting the 
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worthless. 
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microphones and transmitters and
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whenever you go on site, so 
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background noise and I would 
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the Ambiance of a You know 
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what equipment do we use? 
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a YouTube channel a video or 
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they're still good. 
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figure out other ways to take 
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not designed for It's not like a
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something like that. 
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you clip to yourself and it has 
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dead cat on it. 
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realize is like behind unless 
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behind the scenes. 
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to hold the mic like this and 
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physical demonstration, and then
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And it's an essay, see how to 
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all around. 
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It works, it works. 
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we're going to record two hours 
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down to fourth wall here, it's 
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When the conference starts. 
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be busy Monday doing stuff, 
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doing stuff, you leave on 
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podcast, there weren't many 
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there's no time during the week 
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yeah, you know, we're dedicated 
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where I was gone. 
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I will reload my suitcase pack 
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a week off or I'm not going 
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I help at least at this point. 
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recharge batteries and things 
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see the Bears on your security 
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So yeah, they are back there in 
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Western North Carolina. 
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somebody were so you and I were 
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you were talking about the Bears
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on your property, you know. 
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I wasn't convinced. 
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job. 
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nooks and crannies that they can
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gone exploring into it. 
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that you know, One or more 
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Conveyed with the property when 
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do is get one of those 
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like, leave it out in the 
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Winnie the Pooh. 
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and connect gasket, there's 
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Yeah, put a picnic basket out. 
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bird feeders. 
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they definitely will come out 
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difficult way last year. 
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to tackle that this year, so 
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season. 
And and what are the other 

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conferences we love to frequent 
is the phyto authenticate 

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conference. 
The 2023 call for speakers is 

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now open through the end of the 
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So this episode will drop on the
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That deadline is March 31st. 
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So you know one thing I found 
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anybody is like one way to get 
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And, you know, just knowing that
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interesting angles of 
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When you get the real world, 
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know, implemented, obviously 
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technology and all the buzz, but
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group of presentations in 
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sales force. 
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how they roll out password list.
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seems real now. 
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list angle rolling that out for 
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have any interest in getting on 
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people either it up. 
I even up. 

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So, anyway, that's the deadline.
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our show notes for people to 
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speakers for authentic 8. 
T23, which will be in 

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you know if you're a speaker and
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maybe get you out there and then
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weather perspective. 
So here's a question for you. 

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Jeff best Mexican food in the 
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I'll give you some options, San 
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Texas, which is more like 
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guys some other answer. 
Well, I mean, Taco Bells 

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everywhere, right? 
Oh, bad. 

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Are you talking about last 
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It was horrible. 
I still enjoy a Taco Bell ruins.

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Well, I'll tell you, I'm I'm not
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things but I do enjoy a place 
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area, so I'm not sure if I think
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not Tex-Mex more of calvary 
california-style. 

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I'll but that's my go-to place. 
I was just there last week and, 

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you know, my first night in have
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I went to Uncle Julio with my 
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little taco dinner there. 
I missed it. 

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And I having you know, having 
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can't even believe you told the 
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Hey, there's a lot of Taco Bell 
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No no, I mean like a good taco 
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decided on my way home from the 
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Obviously it 10:30 at night. 
There's not much open. 

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I decided to go to Taco Bell sat
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This is after basically working 

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all day and then traveling all 
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get my food, get my beverage, my
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it's warm. 
I guess, I feel as like, feels 

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warm, is there ice in here, 
we're out of ice. 

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I was on happy happy at all. 
And then the food was horrible, 

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man. 
It was like, I got a Crunch Wrap

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and it was like 90% sour cream. 
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but I didn't want like a big 
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Well, that's what you get for 
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Premier Choice. 
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with the correct answer. 
San Diego. 

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Well I'm just saying that. 
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there you go. 
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How is identity changed since 
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This is what episode 2. 
So 4. 

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So, almost four years ago, are 
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It's a good question nothing 

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comes to mind but I'll be honest
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what sort of things like that if
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really crappy microphones. 
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it's still better than nothing 
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you should be using an fa you 
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standard because of X and now 
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benefits of that are still good 
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I'm going to trace this back to 
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better than nothing and I still 
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slightly better than nothing. 
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if you're starting out. 
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move on to something better. 
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talk to clients a lot, I felt 
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Your data is kind of a mess and 
you're just putting this virtual

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can let the problem continued 
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proper solution. 
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Ya think? 
Go ahead? 

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again, is maybe not necessarily 
virtual directory, but this idea

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that, I just I get what you're 
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it may cover up, less than ideal
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scenarios can't be fixed for any
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too great. 
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Fabric or a virtual directory or
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Similar on those lines. 
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you know, the way to solve all 
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you're totally right. 
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popular way to approach it and 
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little while is, as there was 
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data, right? 
Stop putting a Band-Aid over it.

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back towards things like, 
identity Fabrics, meshes things 

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like that, which Sony sound very
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A meta or a virtual directory. 
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combining data attributes of 
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No, I think you're making a 

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understanding, they'll cycle 
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functionality. 
Now, how can I make the 

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functionality work? 
Well, I can either do this layer

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of abstraction and get The 
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deliver no new functionality but
have a better base to build from

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for the future and then if I 
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to be, you know, down the road 
from there or worse. 

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You can't even fix the problem. 
It's not your problem to fix 

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someone else asked to fix it. 
So now you're waiting on them. 

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The I am team doesn't always 
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You're right. 
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perspective, if you will is the 
right perspective to take. 

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Come on now man. 
The way you, the way, some of 

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our previous shows have gone 
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Her Jimmy has been now, you're 
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positive side? 
You've got to pick a lane, dude.

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Hey, man, no, no, I can jump 
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That's the beauty of the podcast
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Most people don't listen to 
every single episode, like all 

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of you at all Jim changed. 
Now, he's mr. 

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Positive. 
Yeah, some do first, we 

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appreciate those folks. 
X. 

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So yeah, one another. 

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cloud-based IM solution, so I 
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were pretty strong and there 
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deployment still happening. 
I think now they're very few 

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folks that go out and roll out 
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solution. 
Everybody's looking at a 

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cloud-based solution, but I 
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and Pam space and Hakeem space. 
It's like most new vendors are 

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starting in the cloud, most who 
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building Cloud version. 
So you know, probably four years

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from now, it will be your own 
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You know, it's funny. 
You bring that up because I was 

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thinking here, while we're 
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changed? 
I think privileged access 

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management has changed. 
I think with a shift of the 

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cloud space is like, Keen Cloud 
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management and I'd any threat, 
detection, response, and sort of

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all the stuff that's happened to
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A lot of that on-prem privileged
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starting to go away. 
I don't think it's gone. 

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I think there's still a very 
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shift, more and more to sass 
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infrastructures or platforms, do
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know, on-premise privileged 
access management as much as you

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did for five years ago? 
If all your resources in the 

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cloud that are sensitive, should
you be looking at, you know, the

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newer versions of Pam, which I 
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things like that. 
So that could be another way 

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again. 
Maturation of the idea of. 

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Yes, you should protect the keys
to your Castle. 

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How you do it though? 
I think is I have shifted from 

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more of an on-prem problem, to a
hybrid problem. 

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And at some point, I would think
would be predominantly a cloud 

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problem solve for. 
Yeah, you're right. 

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I mean and the thing is that 
those solutions that are now 

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everywhere in our own tip of 
everyone's tongue, it's not like

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there were invented within the 
last four years or that the 

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problem surfaced within the last
four years. 

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But something like 
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have been 10 15, 20 % of 
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It's 50 60 % everybody's doing 
automated deployment of their 

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infrastructure. 
Yeah, I think it another one 

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that I was really hot to trot 
for was you be a user Behavior, 

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analytics, and user identity 
Behavior, analytics. 

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Ueb a right. 
Whichever version you want to go

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with. 
I don't think it took off the 

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way that I thought it would over
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Ears. 
I think it's now kind of evolved

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somewhat into the itd. 
Are speyside. 

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Any threat detection and 
response and maybe that's okay, 

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right? 
Maybe it's maybe now is a better

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time to look at that because we 
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Solutions and there is more 
prevalence of single sign-on 

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going through your access 
management platforms and things 

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like that. 
So I'm almost I Won't Say I'm 

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disappointed, but I thought that
we would see more User Behavior 

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analytics type things. 
Driving more mature identity for

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Enterprises and I don't know if 
I've seen that. 

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Yeah, no, I think that's that's 
a great point because I ueb a 

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space I thought was I thought 
that was here to stay and I 

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don't, you know, see anybody 
talking about it anymore. 

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So remember, when I said nothing
and changed, I guess I just 

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don't like, we just get like 
four or five things. 

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Well, think about all this. 
The things that are coming, next

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things like self Sovereign, eye 
candy. 

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I mean, to me, that's not the 
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And now I don't feel like I'm 
using my phone and the wall of 

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function of my phone to 
authenticate myself anywhere, 

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but I hear a lot of talk about 
it. 

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Pastor lives. 
I'm starting to see four years 

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ago. 
I don't think we're talking 

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about Pastor lives. 
I think. 

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Now, we're talking about us 
like, You know why would you 

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roll out some new functionality 
for a self-service password? 

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Reset mom, maybe it's just part 
of your Microsoft so you have it

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for resetting, your Azure 
password, which maybe is the 

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main password that you using for
most of your Enterprise 

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applications. 
But for the most part we're 

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thinking, okay, well how do you 
get to True password list? 

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So like those are think it's, I 
think it's it's shift its 

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shifted from didn't exist to if 
it comes. 

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And now, I think we're in the 
when it comes face like it's 

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coming. 
How quickly will we get there? 

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I think, is the stage that we're
in right now? 

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Yeah. 
Well, the soft Sovereign 

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identity. 
I'm, I think it's so nasty. 

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Sorry. 
Yeah, for pastoralist. 

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I think, for self-serving 
identity, it still. 

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Is it going to come? 
I feel like there's got to be 

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some kind of digital. 
Oil replacement for physical ID 

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cards. 
I think it'll be driven by 

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government Education, Health, or
Finance, one of those sectors 

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and maybe all four are going to 
band together and kind of figure

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out this thing and come up with 
with a solution, that makes 

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sense. 
That most people will look to 

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adopt driver's license. 
A great one. 

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I'd love to have my driver's 
license digital. 

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I think you guys have it in 
Georgia, right? 

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Is that an option? 
I don't have it but I think and 

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I I like to keep my notes on 
paper. 

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This is true, right? 
Like people like well can you 

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put that on team? 
So I take a picture and I upload

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the picture two teams. 
Yeah so one of the other things 

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that we wanted to mention is a 
company named work, had a state 

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of identity report that they 
publish on the internet. 

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Every can go out and find it. 
We'll put a link in the show 

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notes but Jeff, what's an ort? 
It is a cosmic or astronomical 

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thing I do. 
I'm not the expert on it, but 

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it's basically the area past 
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like this area in between other 
galaxies and things like that is

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the best way that I can think 
about it, but I'm sure I'll get 

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roasted on Twitter LinkedIn or 
something. 

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Someone telling me, you know, 
the correct one. 

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I when I literally just want to 
bang on it. 

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Yeah, that's that. 
I'm like, okay, I get where it 

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is now. 
For a picture and that's kind of

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my explanation. 
Yeah, maybe we'll we'll pull in 

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somebody from word to some 
point. 

450
00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:06,900
They can explain it to us better
like FR, our that listeners that

451
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:08,100
far out. 
That'd be great. 

452
00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:14,000
I remember when I learned what 
an OCTA was. 

453
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:20,200
So OCTA is basically the 
measurement or a way to 

454
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,700
represent cloud cover. 
So, I think it's An octet. 

455
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,300
So that would be like, 8, 
different wedges of a circle or,

456
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,500
you know, I'm not explaining it 
well but they're, you know, from

457
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:40,100
cloud cover perspective, you 
could be 0% clouds to 100% 

458
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:46,000
clouds, that would be an 80 
would be a zero and then it's 18

459
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,300
in 1/8 increments. 
How anyway, I thought that was 

460
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,600
really cool because I didn't 
even know about that 

461
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,800
measurement. 
I learned about it and OCTA at 

462
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,000
the same time, not as a pretty 
cool name. 

463
00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:01,900
Right now, I'm added eight out 
of eight. 

464
00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:04,800
We have 100% cloud cover right 
now for those wondering. 

465
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,300
Yeah, same here. 
So the the state of identity 

466
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:13,700
report was pretty cool. 
I mean, you know, so looking at 

467
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:17,600
it right on the Fly? 
It's number one Enterprises lack

468
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,100
strong, MFA adoption. 
I don't know meet a lot of the 

469
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,900
Enterprises that I'm working 
with. 

470
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:29,000
Actually have a lot of MFA 
adoption at least getting 

471
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,600
through the front door. 
So might be talking about here 

472
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:39,600
kind of the breadth of the MFA 
adoption or maybe the key is the

473
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,800
word strong. 
So made against the key. 

474
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,800
I think it means your own. 
Yeah. 

475
00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:49,800
Weaker MFA, doesn't count as 
much, you know. 

476
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800
I think the best is to use an 
authenticator app. 

477
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:56,300
I think that Get the 
authenticator app with the 

478
00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:00,200
number matching, so kind of that
extra step of actually have to 

479
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,400
go into the app and type. 
The number that showing up that 

480
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,100
prevents, that MFA fatigue 
attack where you just keep 

481
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,600
pounding the person until they 
say, yes, I approve. 

482
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,100
Stop sending something to my 
phone. 

483
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,700
I don't think it does. 
I think it's the same thing. 

484
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,400
You're basically getting a 
prompt on your phone. 

485
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,100
It says, pick your three 
numbers, which one is the right 

486
00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:25,400
one? 
And you think people think pick 

487
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,700
one of those numbers? 
Eventually, if they're if 

488
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,100
they're typing in a code, 
they're going to pick a number 

489
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:32,600
because it's even easier. 
You don't have type A that you 

490
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,600
just touch it and you've 
authorized it. 

491
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,000
No. 
But I think like like the push 

492
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:41,500
authentications would just say 
yes or no by default. 

493
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,600
So you by default but number 
matching adds a number to the 

494
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,400
screen so it's not just yes or 
no. 

495
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,200
It's in addition to yes or no. 
The yes or no is implied. 

496
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
It is, which is the right 
number. 

497
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:57,300
I've got three numbers 1746, 38 
and my browser shows the right. 

498
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,500
One way my phone have to pick 
the right. 

499
00:27:59,500 --> 00:28:03,900
So the attacker has to browser. 
The legitimate user has the 

500
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,500
number. 
They have three numbers in front

501
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,900
of them through number. 
They might pick the right one by

502
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:11,700
mistake. 
It's possible. 

503
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:13,900
It's possible. 
Especially since there's only 

504
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:18,000
three, and it's better than many
other version. 

505
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,000
If somebody does that bad, bad 
bad, bad kisser, I smell 

506
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,500
security awareness training for 
that individual come Monday 

507
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:29,500
morning or whatever that. 
Yes, exactly. 

508
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:33,600
Well, if the company is not sunk
by them ROM. 

509
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,000
Okay. 
So, second one was dormant 

510
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,600
accounts. 
In the crosshairs, the idea that

511
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,600
attackers are You can advantage 
of dormant accounts as their 

512
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,600
method for getting in. 
There's definitely dormant 

513
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
accounts. 
I think that one of the things I

514
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,300
see with clients is they do a 
pretty good job of getting 

515
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:58,900
active directory accounts 
enabled, disabled, but do less 

516
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:03,900
of a good job in terms of 
disabling accounts in 

517
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,400
applications. 
Now, usually the defense in 

518
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800
depth or where the compensating 
control, is that you can't get 

519
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800
him without, you know, 
authenticating to active 

520
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,200
directory. 
So I'm kind of split on this 

521
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,900
one. 
It I think it's important but I 

522
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:26,500
don't know that it would be a 
major attack Vector. 

523
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:30,400
What do you think I answered? 
It's a potential open door. 

524
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:34,600
And if you're in numerating a 
Target that you're trying to 

525
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,300
breach the number of open doors,
the number of potential open 

526
00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:44,000
doors is in your Ever. 
That's what you want to me like 

527
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,300
this, you know this thing of 
okay. 

528
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:46,200
Yeah. 
Dormant accounts are in the 

529
00:29:46,208 --> 00:29:53,700
crosshairs that for my mind is I
very no, no s Sherlock type 

530
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:54,400
scenarios. 
Like yes. 

531
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,900
Of course we were trying to get 
those accounts. 

532
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:58,900
Should they be cleaning up? 
Yes. 

533
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,800
Do they do a good job of it 
varies? 

534
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,000
I think a lot of organizations 
rely on well to kick in the 

535
00:30:04,008 --> 00:30:06,600
front door, that's our control. 
Well, what happens if they're 

536
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
already in the front door and 
you didn't clean up the account 

537
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,500
in sap or or workday or any of 
these other, you know, highly 

538
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,200
privileged systems, right? 
They have a lot of data in them.

539
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Well, guess what? 
Didn't matter did it that you 

540
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,600
shut down the active directory 
account. 

541
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:24,400
They got in some other way and 
then they you know they they 

542
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:27,000
laterally moved up and over 
until they got to what they 

543
00:30:27,008 --> 00:30:29,100
wanted. 
Great Point. 

544
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,000
Okay. 
So the third and final was 

545
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,400
admins and Executives under 
attack so I guess spearfishing 

546
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:43,100
targeted attacks against domain 
administrators I would look most

547
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:47,500
organizations do a pretty run a 
pretty tight ship in terms of 

548
00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:51,300
like making sure that domain 
admins is the limited group 

549
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:59,700
using accounts that are not the 
Everyday, Use accounts is still 

550
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:04,200
best practice because I think 
getting fished with your admin 

551
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:12,700
account is would be horrible. 
It would just be bad. um, So I 

552
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:16,100
yeah, I think, I think this is 
like, this pretty good 

553
00:31:16,100 --> 00:31:17,800
information. 
What do you think? 

554
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:19,900
I think it's good information. 
I don't think it's new 

555
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:21,500
information. 
Perfect. 

556
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,500
Of course, they're targeting 
administrators who have the 

557
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,400
access that they need and 
they're targeting the 

558
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,100
executives. 
That's not news. 

559
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,700
I think, you know, I'm 
interested to get into it 

560
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,000
further. 
Maybe we get somebody on from 

561
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,700
work to kind of take us through 
it. 

562
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,100
They think it comes down to the 
details, right? 

563
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,100
What specifically are we looking
at? 

564
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,700
What is the specific threat? 
How is it happening? 

565
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:46,200
What are things that you know we
as people in the identity space 

566
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,500
can take back to you know our 
organizations to better protect 

567
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,300
ourselves or to drive awareness 
towards. 

568
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:53,600
I think that's that's where I 
would like to see it. 

569
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,000
Take it. 
So if you're listening from ort,

570
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:58,500
reach out to us on LinkedIn, 
would love someone to come on 

571
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:00,800
the show and kind of Step us 
through the report and kind of 

572
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,300
talk about an into more detail. 
Yeah, the only thing I'm going 

573
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:08,700
to say it's like as a defense of
this is that you keep seeing 

574
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,600
presentation for like most the 
top form of packets. 

575
00:32:12,100 --> 00:32:17,500
Fishing social engineering if 
you two clades excellent. 

576
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:21,800
Question earlier what's changed 
is not that testing the same 

577
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:27,000
answer for the last 10, 15 
years, social engineering and 

578
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,600
fishing. 
So some things like they might 

579
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,900
be no, es Sherlock but okay. 
Well, you know, it doesn't make 

580
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:39,400
it any less route. 
We're gonna have a creative new 

581
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,600
answer better. 
Damn, well, better be right? 

582
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:46,000
Right. 
So anyway, I'm going to Gartner 

583
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,500
next week, man. 
Are you excited? 

584
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,200
Theoretically, we're already 
here if you're listening to this

585
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:55,100
somewhere somewhere in the holes
of the of the the Gaylord Texan.

586
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,400
I've never been there before. 
So I hear its massive. 

587
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:59,300
But yeah, somewhere we are at 
Gartner. 

588
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,700
Yeah, I'm going to be wearing my
fanciest new clothes. 

589
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,500
No boy, gimme you stand out in a
crowd. 

590
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:09,300
That is for sure. 
Yeah, I make sure I do. 

591
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:13,800
So any sessions that are peaking
your interest. 

592
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Well there's one that is 
definitely piquing my interest, 

593
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:23,000
the one that we're doing at noon
on Tuesday the identity at the 

594
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,800
center podcast goes, inside the 
belly of the Gartner, I am Beast

595
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800
basically we got 30 minutes. 
We're going to try and do an 

596
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,700
action packed quickfire Show 
podcast style format on stage 

597
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,300
with Henry, K and Becky and 
really get into it. 

598
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,900
The idea is to put them on on 
the spot to answer questions 

599
00:33:42,900 --> 00:33:44,400
that they don't normally have to
answer. 

600
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,700
Sir and hopefully good time. 
So definitely that one Shameless

601
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,800
promotion. 
But you know, what can I say 

602
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600
something about that? 
So people have been losing this 

603
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,000
podcast long enough, probably 
through osmosis or maybe 

604
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,000
explicitly? 
No, we don't. 

605
00:34:01,100 --> 00:34:04,200
We don't have any interviews 
where it's like, gotcha. 

606
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:06,300
You made that? 
We're trying to make our guests 

607
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:08,800
look stupid. 
No, we in fact we tell our 

608
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,000
guests like this isn't Meet the 
Press. 

609
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,300
You know? 
It's we all want to sound smart.

610
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,000
We want to have information that
educates, people were listening 

611
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,900
but we also want to be 
entertaining. 

612
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:25,699
It's not a got your for for 
gardeners and some of these 

613
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:28,100
questions are pretty tough 
questions. 

614
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,699
And well we got some of them, we
came up with some came from 

615
00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:32,300
listeners. 
We're going to give credit where

616
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,000
where we are authorized to do. 
So some might be anonymous was, 

617
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,900
you know, listeners or whatever.
But yeah, I'm I'm pleased with 

618
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:44,000
the way with with the content. 
My fear is will we get through 

619
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,800
it. 
We only have 30 minutes and, you

620
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,800
know, sneak peek. 
We have a shot clock at the 

621
00:34:48,808 --> 00:34:51,600
bottom of every slide, which has
the questions on it to try and 

622
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,100
keep us moving. 
In and moving through your 

623
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:56,400
moving through the show as 
quickly as I can, but I'm sure 

624
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,400
it'll go. 
Well, if you're in the area, 

625
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,400
stop by noon, wherever we happen
to be come watch us. 

626
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,500
Do basically a podcast live. 
I'm green stickers. 

627
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,900
Oh, yeah. 
And yeah. 

628
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,500
And Jim has stickers wall 
stickers. 

629
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:12,100
So you want to come up after 
we're done speaking and grab a 

630
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:13,300
sticker. 
Please do. 

631
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:17,800
Yeah, outside of that, I am, as 
I mentioned before, things 

632
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,700
around fabrics and meshes, I 
think I'm going to try and jump 

633
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:25,400
into those and see what is new 
in those areas because I'm 

634
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,000
starting to see some of the 
value especially with 

635
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,200
distributed data sources in 
some, pretty complex 

636
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,000
organizations looking to solve 
something, especially on the on 

637
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,300
the customer or consumer side of
I am. 

638
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,700
I think there's some value there
and want to Bone up a little bit

639
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:41,000
on that. 
So, that's, that's what I'm 

640
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,300
looking at. 
And then, of course, the 

641
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,200
networking, In the event that 
we're good. 

642
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,700
We got go on Tuesday night. 
One track that really interest 

643
00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:53,600
me which is I am program 
management and there's one 

644
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,200
session which I love the title 
as the expert measuring the 

645
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,900
business value of identity and 
access management. 

646
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,100
I really think this is so 
important, I think that even if 

647
00:36:04,100 --> 00:36:07,600
you kind of come from the 
perspective that we don't need 

648
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,100
to sell our Executives on, I am 
there to get the value like well

649
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,700
challenge yourself. 
So then, what is the return on 

650
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:20,600
investment that you're going to 
deliver to the business through 

651
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,800
your IM initiatives and then 
live it? 

652
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Like you know, if you get that 
money and you promised to return

653
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:32,200
measure yourself. 
So I'm hoping that a session 

654
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,200
like that really hits it hard. 
It's over by Paul Proctor. 

655
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:41,200
I don't know. 
Paul distinguish VP analyst from

656
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Gartner but I'm really 
interested in Diving into that 

657
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,600
or listening about that topic in
a way to hone your message to 

658
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:55,300
great way to hone your message. 
So the other thing is, I mean, 

659
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:01,300
if you're listening to this on 
Monday or Tuesday morning and 

660
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:06,800
you're running to Jeff Rye, we 
may still have a few seats 

661
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,700
available for our networking 
event. 

662
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,800
It's at Corky's gaming Bistro 
was going to be A boatload of 

663
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,100
fun. 
Just come off to us if we have 

664
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:21,800
some openings left, I mean, the 
reason why we're being so 

665
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,300
judicious with the openings is 
that they actually do have a cap

666
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,400
of how many people they can fit 
into the place. 

667
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,600
And I'm just very conservative 
want to invite more people than 

668
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,000
they'll let in and then have 
people turned away at the door. 

669
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,600
So we're going to stay under 
that, that fire limit. 

670
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,400
How many people can fit into the
place. 

671
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,200
And we're going to copy room to 
throw axes. 

672
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:48,600
I mean how I suppose the rocks 
of the place is jam-packed, 

673
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,400
right? 
It's yeah. 

674
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,300
It's going to make you sign a 
waiver by the way but hopefully 

675
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:56,200
will like we don't have to 
depend on the waiver because we 

676
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,500
don't want anybody getting 
injured by the axis. 

677
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:01,900
Don't get hurt. 
But yeah, if you see us, you 

678
00:38:01,900 --> 00:38:03,700
know, come up introduce 
yourselves. 

679
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,300
We're happy to chat but that's 
gonna be cool event. 

680
00:38:06,300 --> 00:38:10,600
It's our first-ever identity. 
At the center community, meet 

681
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,900
up. 
It's being sponsored by our SM 

682
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,900
OCTA and One Cosmo so definitely
thanks to them. 

683
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:17,300
They are the ones footing the 
bill. 

684
00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:20,200
I think as you know people may 
or may not be aware, the podcast

685
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,800
is literally just the two of us 
and we do this on the side 

686
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,400
outside of our day job. 
So to get, you know, 

687
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,200
organizations like that, you 
know, Believe in Us and trust us

688
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:32,400
and sponsor us, you know, for 
that kind of thing is very cool.

689
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,900
So we definitely appreciate 
those three companies chip it in

690
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,300
ya. 
All the other thing is like, we 

691
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:41,000
love our listeners Jeff but, you
know, we're not splitting that 

692
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,900
bill between you and me, man, 
that's that's pretty hefty bill.

693
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,000
So yeah, I just, I got a box 
here. 

694
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,100
I have a new of new microphones 
that those are not cheap. 

695
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,800
Yeah, yeah. 
Well I guess stickers, gasps 

696
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,600
stickers. 
So anyway, any predictions for 

697
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,100
the conference chef I don't know
yet. 

698
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,600
I feel like I have a better idea
after the first day but I think 

699
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,200
it's going to be a good 
conference. 

700
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:14,900
I'm very impressed by the just 
the sheer quantity of topics 

701
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:17,200
that are out there. 
I'm looking at my conference 

702
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,100
Navigator and the things that 
I've signed up for and I have 

703
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,200
multiple like overlapping. 
Like I wish there was like four 

704
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,600
things taking place at the same 
time. 

705
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,000
I wish I could go to all of 
them. 

706
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,400
So there's gonna be hard choices
to make, as to, which ones I, 

707
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,500
you know, actually, you know, 
stick in and Things like that 

708
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:37,700
but I don't know. 
I think I think I'll lead the 

709
00:39:37,707 --> 00:39:39,800
predictions to you because I 
don't know if I have any good 

710
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,000
ones right now other than I 
think we're gonna have a good 

711
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,700
time. 
Yeah. 

712
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:47,600
So my one prediction is that I'm
going to end up with meeting 

713
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:53,900
five people during the 
conference who will be guests on

714
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,900
the show within the next 12 
months. 

715
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,400
That's predicts good. 
Okay. 

716
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,100
Yeah. 
Okay. 

717
00:40:00,500 --> 00:40:05,600
The other prediction is all eat.
10 desserts over the course, the

718
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,800
over-under is 10 for desserts, 
for for Jim in. 

719
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,300
Basically two nights right? 
Because you're leaving on 

720
00:40:11,300 --> 00:40:12,400
Wednesday. 
So you're not gonna be there 

721
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,400
Wednesday night. 
Right? 

722
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,300
It's just two nights. 
I would take the under folks. 

723
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,700
Now, if it was me, I'm going to 
be there, Monday, Tuesday, and 

724
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:24,000
Wednesday, and I do. 
Enjoy my desserts. 

725
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,100
So, yeah. 
I like it. 

726
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:29,200
I like a good dessert too. 
Yeah. 

727
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,800
Yeah, I don't know if I have any
other like Gartner predictions 

728
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,100
and, you know, hopefully people,
you know, come up. 

729
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:39,400
We always like to meet listeners
and stuff like that. 

730
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,800
That would be cool to meet folks
out there and and stuff. 

731
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,100
So, one thing I'm going to say 
so for people who are going, if 

732
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:54,200
you are Up for some fun, Becky 
archambault who is the one of 

733
00:40:54,207 --> 00:40:58,200
the animals from gardeners. 
Don't be on the panel of Jeff 

734
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:04,100
and I is a big Buffalo Bills fan
and they got their man and um I 

735
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,900
don't do this to her. 
I'm doing it, I'm doing it. 

736
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:10,900
So just go over give her a hard 
time r as r a little bit because

737
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:14,500
I didn't realize like we, we 
talked about like razzing her on

738
00:41:14,500 --> 00:41:18,400
stage about it, just thought 
like okay well it's an old 

739
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,800
wound. 
At this point, it's probably not

740
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,500
that interesting for most 
people. 

741
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:29,700
But if you're an NFL fan anyway,
she takes a very, very secretly 

742
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:32,700
like even though it's an old 
wound, it was like pouring salt 

743
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,200
in it. 
Yeah. 

744
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Well, some inside news right, 
that we did have a question that

745
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,600
was in our, in our outline of 
asking Becky to provided Gartner

746
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,300
analysis of the Buffalo Bills 
loss in the playoffs. 

747
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:48,600
We left it on the Cutting Room 
floor for time. 

748
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,800
I'm so proud of you, we were 
going to bring it honor. 

749
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:55,400
If you spray it on, I'm sure she
would appreciate that. 

750
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,100
A bunch of people walking up to 
her asking her. 

751
00:41:57,100 --> 00:42:00,500
Why the bills underperformed. 
Let's just say in the playoffs. 

752
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:09,100
Be nice, be respectful. 
Come on guys, what else 

753
00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,100
anything? 
That's it, that's it. 

754
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:14,900
It got any, underrated him. 
What's an underrated travel? 

755
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:20,600
Hacker tip for people out there.
Something you do that is like 

756
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,600
this is a this is a Jimmy Mac 
thing. 

757
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,100
I hope that you just don't even 
act thing. 

758
00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:29,300
I think it's the thing that a 
lot of people do which is You 

759
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:33,100
get like some kind of like 
insulated bottle and like fill 

760
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:35,700
it with water. 
Don't go in the airplane without

761
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:40,600
your own water because it's like
they might hit turbulence and 

762
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,400
not serve water or whatever, or 
drinks and they hydrated, what's

763
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,200
that stay hydrated? 
Basic hydrated. 

764
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,500
That's You know, I always like, 
here's okay, here's a tip. 

765
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:58,100
So I was flying back from Canada
like two weeks ago. 

766
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,000
I had a middle seat on the back 
of the plane. 

767
00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,500
I'd say one Saving Grace. 
First off the, the seat didn't 

768
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:07,900
recline back. 
I mean, it was just the worst 

769
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:14,600
seat on the airplane and I had 
like, I bought myself to meals. 

770
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:19,100
So I just like I just was like, 
all right, well I'm going to 

771
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,100
have a bunch of meals in a bunch
of food on this plane. 

772
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,300
And, you know, I had like some 
entertainment on my phone, some 

773
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:30,700
podcasts and some things to 
watch and actually didn't turn 

774
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:34,000
out to be nearly as bad. 
Because of those moves right 

775
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,900
there. 
Entertainment and food that's 

776
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:40,000
it. 
Okay. 

777
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:47,700
What are your tips? 
Really small stuff like one, 

778
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:50,400
don't overpack. 
I see a lot of people carry a 

779
00:43:50,408 --> 00:43:54,300
bunch of crap with them but 
they'll never use travel light. 

780
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:58,300
Get a, get a bag or backpack. 
That has a trolley sleeve. 

781
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,200
That will save your back so 
much, especially if you're just 

782
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,200
kind of stand around waiting for
planes and things like that. 

783
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,400
So a lot of people were just 
carrying shoulder bags and stuff

784
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,700
like that and how they do that 
but that's a must have on my bag

785
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:13,700
collection. 
And get clear, get TSA PreCheck,

786
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:15,800
get a airline Club if you travel
at all. 

787
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:21,400
I mean all that stuff makes it 
so much easier you know, to have

788
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,600
a decent travel experience. 
I won't say great but little 

789
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,100
stuff like that can add up to a 
somewhat decent experience. 

790
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,400
Yeah, per user must have. 
I mean anybody who's traveling a

791
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,900
few times a year, should get TSA
Pre. 

792
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,500
I don't know about clear. 
It's a lot of money and some are

793
00:44:40,500 --> 00:44:43,400
even hotter. 150, you might get 
a discount through your airline 

794
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,900
status or through credit card. 
When you you wish you'll have 

795
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:50,700
it. 
And again, if you do any type of

796
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,000
travel, I think it's spend a 
little money to make make travel

797
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,300
easier, makes travel easier near
the Uber of tip, for traveling 

798
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:07,100
is remember in your mind. 
Nobody's really happy about 

799
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,400
being there. 
Nobody's enjoying the hot plane 

800
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,800
or the middle C or whatever, you
know, don't make it all about, 

801
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:20,400
you don't get - and be rude 
towards other people and just 

802
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,800
try to be a good positive 
person. 

803
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,300
It's be a decent human being. 
That's it. 

804
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:29,500
There's a there's a protraction.
Alright, let's go ahead and wrap

805
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:32,300
it up there. 
Looking forward to seeing Folks 

806
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,900
at Gartner. 
You can find us on the web 

807
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,300
identity at the center.com. 
We're on Twitter idea. 

808
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:43,300
See podcasts mastodons and idea,
see podcast at infosec, got 

809
00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:45,700
exchanged hit us up on LinkedIn.
We're always happy to meet. 

810
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,300
And their conversations and 
yeah, don't forget to like, 

811
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:52,700
subscribe to all that stuff. 
That's how you can help us and 

812
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,300
get the word out. 
So we'll go and leave it there 

813
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:56,600
for this week. 
Jim. 

814
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,700
Anything else? 
What's a mess of on? 

815
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,600
Boy. 
All right, we'll talk everyone 

816
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,300
later. 
You've been listening to 

817
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:07,400
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818
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:11,900
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819
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:15,400
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820
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,300
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821
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:24,800
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822
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:21,500
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823
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,700
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