You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is
the show that talks about identity and access management
and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
started. Welcome to the identity of the
sender podcast, I'm Jeff and that's Jim.
Hey, Jim hey Jeff, how are you? Not so bad yourself.
Good. Hey chilling here in the
podcast, studio recording our last session at the Gartner.
I am Summit. The one thing I'll be happy
about is that won't have to look at the plastic tree anymore.
I thing looks like it's on. Its last legs.
It might not even be a plastic tree.
Might be a real tree. That is dying.
I'm not sure. And this is like this one leaf.
It's like sticking straight out. Almost like a cowlick.
Think I'm not sure how that's happening, but I think they put
it in here when they built the hotel.
Well, we should. But like, your view is looking
out the window at least some degree you can see out there so
I didn't staring with them on or something.
I'm staring at thermostats on the wall and that's pretty much
it and I see something weird. One is set to 69, which I
certainly had set that 266 earlier.
And the other one looks like it's off, which that was
definitely set to 66. And I know why I'm a little bit
warmer than I normally am. Yeah, I know I haven't been I'm
complaining about the cold, but I just don't touch them.
Jeff, I know better than to mess with you or air conditioning.
This is true. This is, this is my Hapa in.
This is my soapbox don't take away.
My AC, I'm paying for 3, AC units.
I'm getting 3 AC units as the way.
I look at it. Yeah, the bathroom in the other
room is cold. You, you're not even going in
there. That's true.
All right. So we're at the Gartner
conference, kind of the topic for this show is going to
basically recap the final day, the whole conference itself,
Shadow to our some again for hooking us up with Sweet.
See here, these nice relatively quiet environments and you know,
good audio. Additionally, the sweet sweet,
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for that. Thank you so much for that.
We've brought in our friend, Pierce chakraborty.
He's our fellow identity nerd, identity professional.
He's been on the show before he was with us for episode way,
back in the day. Number 86, welcome back first.
Okay, thanks for having me again.
So, we've worked together for about a year and a half or so
and we're all in the same field. So we're all Friends here.
But how was the conference for you?
Because that's what I think's, let's start with their like the
today's the final day, you know, to be transparent.
I've been in the sweet all day. Everybody had a chance to do
anything other than that. So I missed, basically the
entire day, what happened today, what should, what should people
know about? So I think in general, the
conference is a good starting point because Before covid hit.
Right. This was like the first time I
think everyone got to see a lot of people in the last.
Let's say three years. So the conference for me was a
lot of good catching on people. I just haven't seen in a long
time especially in person but today's sessions were pretty
good in the content. It was a lot more focused on
kind of the wrap-up and the future trends of identity and
they make sense, right? It's all theoretical but today
was I would say like Most content less stay out of the
other day. Is Tuesday was packed.
That was a yeah, that was it, that was a day but I thought
overall, the conference was great.
I really got a good chance of see people.
I just haven't seen like, you guys, we've never met in person
before. Like we were talking when
originally, which was crazy to me, so it was great to go ahead
and do that. A lot of good vendors to
Identity changes, as you guys both know.
So seeing all those new vendors and all those and then getting
set up with product demo, Moe's and kind of staying ahead.
I think that was all good stuff. Yeah, I had a fantastic.
I mean I've been tearing my horn about how much I've had a good
time at this conference, how much I've learned and when they
say what I've learned, it's like there's information out there,
there's ideas out there and you combine them with kind of what
your framework for how you look at.
I am already is and how you can better serve your clients I
think one thing. What we do, right?
We were like, I am generalist. I would say are filled with
focuses on strategy and roadmap development, so we need to know
Jim. Now, as much as part experts on
everything that ever happened, we're supposed to capture the
right people. Expect that, well, edit that
out, but I think the takeaway right is that, you know, there
are some people who expect the roadmap to be like, very
tactical project plan. And I've never thought that's
what is it, does have to be actionable, especially in the
short term, you have to have, you know, some specific chunks
that you're taking on, but as the roadmap gets further out as
to be a little more Visionary. And so that's what you get out
of a conference. Like, this is like, what's the
vision? Where's I am heading.
It's not just where your organs. Now, obviously, your
organization's roadmap has to drive you to results that the
business can achieve. And The business can experience
but has to be someone Visionary as well.
Right? And so I think that's what we
get. When we come to one of these
conferences and new ideas of vision, for where things are
going in the industry. And then we're what we can do
with, what we do is bring that to our clients, roadmaps and
strategies combine that with our real-world experience, but also
kind of having a vision of what's next to come and cutting
through that. At chaff, that's out there,
right? I think we're right now, you
know, you come to a conference, you're hit with a whole bunch of
different vendors. They're all the greatest things.
So I slice it since sliced bread.
They all do zero trust and they're all web three and
they're all decentralized. Super, super duper.
You know, things how much of that is actually real and will
actually work in the real world. I think that's where the value
for, you know, people like us. We're trying to cut through that
and what is real? What is actually going to work
for customers? And the answer typically is Few
different answers and ask you to the Heart.
Part is yeah there's several tools that could fit what's the
right fit. I think having the opportunity
to talk with you know vendors, whether there are services or
you know certain implementation Partners or middleware, that
kind of glues different parts of identity together, right?
How does that puzzle fit together?
Which I think is really cool and, you know, I didn't get as
much time to spend in Vendor Hall as I would have liked to.
There were certainly several vendors that I was trying to hit
and just couldn't but it was for good reason.
You know it was hallway conversations a so you opened up
with was seeing people, you haven't seen in Forever.
You and I work together and, you know, three of us work together
for a year and a half and until now, well, actually until a
couple days ago, you were just a little square in a zoom window
or a team's window, you know, up until that point.
I wasn't sure if you're real, you could have been virtual for
all, I know, but here you are, right?
And that's the same thing, you know, I keep going back to the
story of, you know, Rosa we worked in the help desk at
Walgreens like 20 years. Like, literally 20 years ago
and, you know, she joined the identity team and now she's here
as a manager of identity for a company, and it's great, right?
I haven't heard or seen from her and forever.
But, you know, it's those types of connections and being able to
see people in the space that that I personally find a lot of
value with them, you know, I'm willing to certainly sacrifice
like a scheduled demo or a scheduled session to have that
of running or that organic conversation, any favorites
highlights things that you kind of Like wow, that was really
kind of thought provoking or really interesting.
So to from a vendor perspective, there's just a lot of newer
vendors that seem like they're coming out of the Woodworks.
But there's identity has a Trends and, you know,
historically there was 45, that seem to run a lot of identity
across small cap, mid-cap large cap and now that's clearly not
the case. I just go into Adventure Hall
and seeing all those boots were first opinion.
I had those that's a lot of talking I have.
To put a lot of people had, which is weird because some of
those people who are company a or not a company, b, c d stuff.
I was going in, like, oh, a long time.
No see, blah, blah blah. So I thought to your point, one
of my biggest highlight seen every one person.
Sure. But seeing the vendor Hall
actually getting some more in-depth conversations because
clients count them all three of us to be experts in stuff that
has not been around for that long.
That was pretty eventful, especially with the smaller
companies, I would say from a session, Russian perspective.
There were a lot of good sessions out there for sure.
Let's in my personal favorite. There's one on cloud Security on
privilege and pleasure to account management.
And cloud is complex. There's there are for any
non-human cloud-based accounts. There is a lot of complexity
goes into how they're managed because traditionally 10 years
ago is impossible manageable. So there was a more technical
conversation focused on how Works.
And what can't you do? What can you do that?
Frankly was a good indication of why I think Gartner is I'm
should be is a mix between. It wasn't like a doll hairs.
Why their knees imported? I know.
I know me, personally, I don't like conferences like that
because it's of course we know identities important, right?
We were in spend all this money to be here, but that one was
probably a good balance of true Technical and true outcomes
where I felt empowered to kind of get what they were saying.
Do some independent research and then help my clients kind.
Of see the light of day. Jim, what about you?
Yeah. I mean, a lot of what you said,
they're really rang true and I want to jump on the piece around
Cloud management because here's the scenario.
I talked to somebody said, hey, I saw solution today and they'll
go and identify accounts, and it will analyze the accounts and
say, hey, this account has a role.
That it hasn't used them 60 days, so maybe you should remove
it. I said, That's great.
I mean that is part of the solution, right?
That's the detective control to go back and see what over
provision to counsel you have, but they ask yourself the
question. Why did that account have those
accesses to begin with, right? We could have.
So it's after 60 days over and over provision state.
So, Now, will you find other Solutions those, hey achieved
least privilege or some kind of role based access control so
that you eliminate the, or reduce the chances of that
happening. That's great.
So those are kind of even if you just took the human account
scenario, then you have the nonhuman account.
So what I think when it comes to Cloud, access management is,
there's really not one solution out there that is snap your
fingers going to cover. All of these preventive and
detective controls, you need to have a framework that addresses
that issue holistically. And I find that's true not only
with with Cloud but also with several other areas of I am
management and I don't want to go back to something that Jeff
said which was talking about zero trust.
And we talked to somebody today about identity threat detection
response again, kind of Frameworks and they're starting
to become punchline party jokes. Right.
I go, yeah, I guess your zero trust which would be terrible if
that's where we end up because these are legitimate Frameworks
and legitimate approaches is like what if you talk to a
client now? And they say oh yeah well we're
fine because we have a firewall and it blocks all the, you know,
basically the only people who get to that service that doesn't
have authentication or has basic authentication or our employees
and we trust all that maybe like, oh my goodness, like Did
you fall asleep? 10 years ago and just wake up
like you know that so zero trust is very serious, right?
I know, I'm preaching to the choir, but I legitimately think
we potentially have the opportunity that or the, the
risk that that becomes a punch line.
I think that's part of, I think it's part of our jobs is to cut
through all that crap and I chuckled to myself because I,
you know, I open up The app and I will not name and shame but
this thing pops up and says oh, you know we're zero, we're the
the zero trust thing, really? I mean, no, you're not.
I mean, frankly, put it that's, you know, that's that's the real
part of it is there's so much overuse of these buzzwords 0.
Trusts, I'm, we talked with had Kovacs today, from Silver for it
and that'll be a future episode that we are.
And I asked him the same question.
Question. You know what what happens when
these terms become overused? And you know we talked about the
RSA conference. Good news zero trust is solved
because literally every product at RSA conference earlier.
This year was a zero trust solution for something.
I feel like we're headed that direction with other things like
I TDR. I'm hesitant surround like the
Keem. Space Cloud infrastructure.
Entitlement management it is a valuable space and thing that
his beak needs to be solved for. But a lot of these Beans are
just slapping marketing terms on it and not really explaining.
What is they do or how they fit into the framework, because
that's what it is. It's a framework.
It's not a product that you buy themselves, something and I get
concerned when I see that out there because if you don't know
any better, you're going to fall for that.
And then you're gonna be very disappointed when you get a
fraction. So I thought it would fix all my
my problems and just that's not the way it works.
How about lowlights, anything and I don't want to name and
shame but were there things that you are surprised by that like
wasn't represented or that. You felt like you just don't
agree with. I started off right there with
the whole buzzword Bingo. Yeah anything that you thought
Pierce? Well first my flight was delayed
for 10 hours so that is low light so that was probably the
biggest little way I could have asked for but I think from a
conference perspective, I would assume that it was Mostly
focused on there was a little bit of buzzword bingo going
around throughout the whole conference.
And I think, you know, I think I said this earlier, but the
telling a bunch of people who are there.
Any experts why Danny is important to me seems like just
a waste of time and again, not to name any names anything.
I think it was interesting to watch the different levels of
complexity that was told during the sessions and whenever we had
an instance of Of a session that was more focused on what I would
call marketing. Then true identity and topics
and true thought leadership. Those are what I would call my
lowlights. I might have an hour left three
of them so but at the good news is our gardener, there's
multiple sessions at any given time so you can go in and out
and there was those presentations.
You could also do, I do, is just take a bunch of photos to win
the whole thing. Well, I think it's part of the
flexibility to, you know, this. I think you may not have been
the target audience for those types of things.
Right. The messaging in a conference
like this has to be relatively Universal where there's
something for everybody people in this room.
We have decade like, literally Decades of my dining experience.
Do we know how why am I Den is important?
Of course. So that's probably not for us,
right? I think we are a little more
jaded, right? We're kind of trying to get past
the the vendor speak, and the double-talk, and things like
that. You know, I think from I'll go
next and I'll pass it over to you Jim, you know, from a, from
a surprise perspective. I don't know if I was
necessarily surprised at anything other than a positive
surprise so and I called a low light, I loved the Keynotes, the
first one with with Mary, I'll butcher named Meg Lyon I think
is something like that. Probably not sorry Mary but she
gave the opening keynote and it was so good because it was not
focused on technology. It was not focused on you know,
marketing. It was on the human being, you
know, how have people Been coping over the last couple of
years, we just went through a pandemic that was seismic for a
lot of people. Right loss, anger grief.
All those emotions have been pent up for a while and you get
to the conference like, this animal.
And I said this earlier in another, you know, recording
that we did. They felt like the, the
environment here was almost celebratory.
Like, oh my gosh. We're actually in person for the
first time in, like, 2 to 3 years, maybe for some people,
and addressing those types of things is was a pleasant
surprise. I I think for me I think the
other one was the Storyteller one with the guy from Pixar and
that's that was why things like that.
Like for me I was a takeaway it's a good reminder to be able
to be our to articulate and understand the story you're
trying to tell. I know the three of us have gone
through this process. As we've worked with our clients
in the past is what is the story you're trying to tell?
Do people understand what it is you're trying to say and how do
you actually become a more effective Storyteller?
When you are trying to deliver an identity strategy, Or deliver
a project plan and understanding why things need to be in the
certain order that they are, right?
Even the question that we all seem to know is like, why is
that any important? People are still asking that
question. So we need to be able to adapt
the answer to the audience, and I think that was I was, that was
a good surprise for me. I like that a lot Jim.
What about you? I'm going to mention two items
and so, the first one was Thinking back to The Gardener's
conference, we were out a couple of years ago.
There was a A night. So my low light is around the
nights out. So Monday night and Tuesday
night, to me, it's gotten very tribal.
So it's like, hey, what dinner or event are you going to, or
what set of events are you going to and each vendor whether their
technology vendor or Consultants or whatever?
They they try to get their groove and they go and do their
event. Whereas, and then it's up to
everybody to try to figure. Okay, which try them might going
to be a part of tonight. I remember a couple years ago,
we went to one is that Dre's Beach Club, so it's really cool
to be here with, right? Yeah.
And it was the Better Together story of like Southpoint, OCTA
and cyber-ark, right? And if basically boils down to
like, have you ever heard of sampling?
Achter or cyborg? The answer was.
Yes, you can. Come now, I guess, in a way that
was tribal to write because then think of all those other vendors
who weren't included They could have kind of package something
up to and I just kind of felt like hey there was an event
where you had hundreds of people all going to the same place and
kind of achieving the same thing because we're all looking for
this network opportunities and the ability to have something to
do. It get some cool experience and
I kind of felt like I don't think there was much evidence of
that happening. Maybe I just wasn't aware of it
but I got invited to a lot of it different events and but it just
seemed like it was more small smaller events, single single
firm kind of thing. So I I think if we could get to
your driving toward more bigger events that people could just
get to really Network and meet each other and and still have
them experience, that would be great.
You just want to see Carrie Underwood like you saw it
Microsoft conference a few years ago.
Yeah, well I mean definitely would would do that again.
And I was hoping everyone, you know, you bring up an
interesting point, and I think that competition for time,
right? We all have people that were
you're here for different reasons, right?
If you're on the business side, a vendor, you know, Consulting.
Whatever it is. You're trying to find clients
potential clients, you know, make networking opportunities,
those two things. And, you know, try to invite
them to your thing, everyone else is doing the same thing,
right? So if I am, you know, A
civilian, let's call it, you know, you're in your real
identity person and you're not, you know, our decision right
now. If you're in the real world,
right? You are being pulled in like
eight different directions. And that's even just assuming
that you're even open to going out.
I know that when I go to conferences, you know, the past
it was like, I'm at the conference.
The last thing I want to do is spend another six hours with
people. Yeah, I want to decompress so
it's I empathize with those folks who struggle with that and
it's taken away. For me, personally, it's taking
efforts To break out of that a little bit and to try and, you
know, be more networking and focused sore social even and
just saying hello and things like that.
But you know, that is a challenge.
I think, I think you bring up a good point where you have, you
know, your basic kind of like banding together, maybe some
smaller groups and try and take on maybe larger groups that
maybe have, you know, a really killer event planned, or, or
dinner or maybe maybe Gartner could do something to encourage
that? I'm not sure, I don't know,
maybe, Just not the space don't think that's got a problem to
solve I think Gardner does a great job of this conference.
Yeah, very long run. There is plenty of space to move
around. I mean, Vegas is built for this
type of thing, so it's great. I appreciate that.
It's in the same place. So I, you know, once I get past
the first, you know, a couple hours of remembering where
things are, it becomes second nature and things like that so
you know, from a, from a logistics standpoint.
Yeah, I thought that was great like no problems whatsoever
there the issues Are typically first world problems, right?
Oh my gosh. I'm give I've been invited to
too many free dinner tonight. What am I going to do, right?
Stuff like that. I mean, Pierce from your
perspective like, you know, we're on the same business and
you know, what are, you know, any thoughts around and sort of
what we've been talking here? I wish this is that the cosmos I
could keep getting my Marriott points, first and foremost,
well, you know, Jim and I, we did stay at the cosmo.
So we, you know, we Trek over two seasons but II agree, I
think Vegas is a great destination for this.
It It's definitely made for this.
I appreciate the space to that was pretty roomy for everybody.
I will admit though that I was very lost for 99% of where I'm
going and where all these rooms are the first time trying to
find them. But aside from that I think
Gartner as a whole did an excellent job and you know the
after I agree with you that the After parties were not far,
doesn't there were plenty. And a lot of it was marketing
parties where it was more focused on Biz Dev and you know,
relationship building. But then the day I agree.
It's all first world problem, starting decide.
Hey which expensive venue. Do I want to go and get fat at
and I'm getting fat already. So, which one do I want to get
even fatter at? So it was all just a great,
great time and I to your point about being a civilian here.
Yeah, I do empathize with You, if you are a buyer of identity,
right? In your practitioner you are
probably getting pulled into million directions left and
right and if you are coming here to learn and identity because
there is no Frenemies. Right, as you call it, I do
think from a solution perspective, you hear a lot of
different things from the solutions and it's hard to
actually make up your mind independently by even some of
the sessions, right? It'll be like sponsored by X.
Of course, when its sponsored by acts, they will talk about their
solution offering. So I do think Gartner did a
great job, but that's an identity practice.
I think we need to figure out how to make that a little bit
more easier for people and hey, and then today you are can, it
does have magic quadrants, right?
So, you could argue, that's probably Gartner strategy to why
they should listen to them. I mean Garner's Gartner are
tastemakers yeah. Right.
They put out the magic quadrant For Better or Worse.
You know a lot of organizations sort of look at As you know, the
source of Truth, so to speak for different products.
I don't agree with it, I value the research, but it's a data
point. But there are certain
organizations like well unless you're in, you know, the upper
right of Gartner we're not even looking at you.
That's just this arbitrary line that gets drawn out there but
yeah it's you know, I think I got it.
It's been a great conference. I'm actually looking forward to
tonight because the first night I don't have anything planned
except for, you know, we're going to go to dinner.
I hope or get drinks or something.
So there's like no pressure like whatsoever.
It's like I am just kind of, you know, let my short hair down so
to speak. Yeah, wounds of mention one.
Other idea I had for next year, which is in the and identity at
the center Booth past live, understood more idea.
No, I don't necessarily need to Booth but there's so cedars in
the vendor Hall. Like why not do an hour-long
episode of? I can't eat Center.
Maybe have some of the Gartner analyst come in and and I'm not
throwing that. Yeah, out there.
Let's let's let the identity of the sender listeners.
You know, they can reach out if that's something, they want to
suggest something. For the future would be happy
to. I've got one other idea.
I think when so great coffee stations throughout some
chocolate chip cookies out there as well.
Yeah, over the snacks man and they if they're warm, that would
be even better than I would have liked to seem like a soda
station. I don't drink coffee, but I
wasn't thirsty for sure. Yeah, here is one critical flaw
that. It just occurred to me that I
was thinking I was like, wow that's that's not good planning.
Don't put a coffee station in the middle of a hallway.
Where all your key notes are taking place and create our
Greek. That is one thing that I will as
crit as you know my most critical piece of feedback was,
you know, it though there was a little bottom up there with the
coffee. Great idea, not necessarily the
right location for it. Yeah.
Hey I'd say they got a 99 out of 100 then I would say.
So yeah, it was good, good job Gartner, you get the Identity
Design. The of approval.
Congratulations, you're all listeners of the week.
Yeah, let's see, anything else? Or should we go eat?
I'm starving, but I mean, overall, I'm just happy to have
be in Vegas for the first time in a long time.
And I think this conference was a success, if more than anything
to seeing people in real life, makes such a big difference.
There was even, you know, our team, right?
We talked about us, there's people work With 44 years never
met him before. So I got to meet him which is
interesting and I think as we keep this up I don't know if I'm
going to come and Gardner every year because it is a lot to go
to these conferences, mentally and spiritually.
And also work keeps piling up right?
When you get back here and work doesn't go away.
Yeah, I see. You have to make this up one way
or another. That's right.
It's a opportunity cost for eight years.
Yeah, your time here, you're not working on your client work to
climb works. Needs to be done.
So corruptible and you get back. I wanted to bring up a friend, I
met today, David Strummer, and he had a great idea.
I think it's a great idea that we should have identity at the
center logo swag. Just throwing that out there
Jeff because I know that you bounce the idea out there on me
before and I told David that and he was a longtime listener.
So shout out to him. I don't know if he would sell
anything. I don't want it, you know,
you're really good at giving me work, which is great.
I don't know if that's something that people be interested in
maybe we can figure out how to make it happen.
Yeah. I guess.
I think I'd be cool. I mean at the very least maybe
we get like a couple of polos or cups or something like that.
Even for just us. I think it would have been cool.
Like if we were wearing idec's shirts and walking around the
conference and people would more easily identify us because David
said, you know, so I sat down his When we start talking and
what do you, what do you have planned for today?
O podcasts what podcasts and then it's the center.
Oh, you do the identity of the sender podcast.
So let's do it all the time. I was telling other people about
it and it's like, you know, I guess he didn't recognize me
from my crazy hair like are pivoted.
But anyway, I don't want. You know, I I don't want to, you
know, disrupt the conference with our notoriety and just, you
know, the celebrity he and signing autographs in the
hallway. That wouldn't be cool.
We don't want to upstage anyone. I don't think we have to worry
about that one. All right.
I think, well, you know what, let's wrap up with something
silly. Which what's your next vehicle
going to be Pierce? Hey, 2016.
Porsche 911. Carrera has naturally aspirated.
Okay, there was zero thought so that was obviously premeditated.
No, it's I think about this all the time.
I am very much into cars and my fiance.
I'm Married next week so wife. But soon to be wife, she thought
I needed something bigger so I got an SUV, I regret buying an
SUV every single day of my life. So one day I'm going on, that
opposite route of something, absolutely not practical that
will not fit in, but it will be a lot of fun.
One note, I would like to say, I think I changed my mind.
My highlight of the conference. Jim was your head shot.
That he posted on LinkedIn. That I got a kick out of that
waiting for my delay. Plight that Is good, comment
section was Lively. I saw a Samoa other things.
Yeah, I had to point that out to you Jeff because look, I'm not
saying I look like she's some of them all.
I don't think I do but I've heard that one before.
I think it's just the crazy hair and you know being jacked.
Yeah. Totally and humble and humble.
I don't Jim. What's your next car?
So I'd like it to be the The the electric one, the light.
Now I have my money on. Yeah, that's by choice.
Get in line, we're weightless. And I can't wait three years, so
I pretty much decided I need. I want a pickup truck, so I
think I'm just going to go, whatever, just fuel efficient or
will have some excellent, my over until the lightning with a
pickup truck. Fill fuel efficient and pickup
truck. Don't don't go together, most
fuel, efficient possible. But yeah, I want the lightning,
but mean I can, Wait, three years.
You're much more practical, like, Pierce went all out with
this Porsche belches which is, that's impressive.
Dude. I my I want my next vehicle to
be either the potent, the new pole, star Roadster, and they
announced or the Tesla Roadster. Everybody knows I'm a TV Junkie.
Yeah. Both of us.
Just like so sweet. They are sweet cars, very
expensive. So we got a pole star has a
drone that pops out of work where the spoiler is of get an
axe as like a secondary camera. Unlike a Scam.
I mean come on. That is a dog's itself after
sun. Yeah, I don't know if it'll make
it to the production version but the concept version has a drone.
You what? We look it up.
I don't have a in front of me but it's the Polestar Roadster
that they have coming out. It looks badass, so it's cool.
All right, now that everyone's ruling, let's call it a week.
Let's go get some dinner. Really appreciate, you know,
Gartner putting on such a great event, looking forward to the
next one. And appreciate everyone who came
up introduce themselves. It's great to hear from you.
Runners. We had a great show, the other
night where a bunch of listeners came up into the RSM suite and
we entertained and put on a put on a great podcast episode.
And some people got to see, you know, how how the magic is made.
So really appreciate everyone contributed to this Pierce.
Thank you so much for having me. Yeah let's call it a week and
thanks for listening and we'll talk with everyone in the next
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