1 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:12,500 You're listening to the identity of the center podcast. 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,600 This is a show that talks about identity and access management 3 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:18,600 and making sure you know who has access to what let's get 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,600 started. Welcome to the identity of the 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:25,800 center podcast. I'm Jeff. 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,700 And that's gem a gem. Hey Jeff. 7 00:00:27,700 --> 00:00:29,200 Sorry, I couldn't hear you over there. 8 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,200 What do you say? And over this James Brown. 9 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:33,100 Yeah, exactly. So for those who don't know, we 10 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:36,500 are live at the octane 22 conference in San Francisco. 11 00:00:36,500 --> 00:00:39,800 We're also joined here by one of the superstars on the RSL of 12 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,700 July done. A team. 13 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,300 His name is Ben Dowd. Welcome Ben. 14 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:44,100 Thank you. Pleasure to be here. 15 00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:46,500 Yeah so before we get you started, you know get started 16 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:48,400 here. I think what I things will get a 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,200 want to give a shout-out to Steven Strong and April Luhan. 18 00:00:52,500 --> 00:00:55,700 And really the entire octave team for hooking us up with. 19 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:59,400 But I can say is our first sort of like official room where we 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,700 actually have our logo on the door and we have like this 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:10,000 temporary white-walled room in the middle of the show for. 22 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:11,500 So there's a lot of background noise. 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,400 Technically I think we're in the same area as all the gold 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,100 sponsors. Yeah so so so yeah kind of makes 25 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:22,600 this golden it's not as sweet. Sweet Jim I'm sorry but it's All 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,400 right. I like this better actually will 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,300 come up with a name for it. Yeah. 28 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:30,100 So we're going to be an octane all week plan is to bring up a 29 00:01:30,107 --> 00:01:32,600 so it's pretty much every day for the next few days. 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,000 We've got a lot of good things lined up, but if we want to give 31 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,700 a shout-out to the octave teamed up, we want to give a shout-out 32 00:01:36,700 --> 00:01:38,600 to the RSM team. They're the ones that are 33 00:01:38,607 --> 00:01:40,000 funding our travel to be out here. 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 So thank you very much, the RSM side. 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,200 Why don't we get into sort of like recap a day one. 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,800 So it is Tuesday night. As we record this, the sounds 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,400 that you hear behind all of us, is the opening sort of get 38 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:56,000 Heather, what do you call it? Like social bash, the welcome 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,900 reception, welcome reception, thank you very much. 40 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:03,300 I was looking for, there's a DJ playing lots of people here and 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,400 yeah, good times. Yeah, I mean, it's really fun. 42 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:10,900 A couple of shout outs that I'd like to give people. 43 00:02:10,900 --> 00:02:16,200 I met one was Paul petite and hopefully got it is the class 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,500 name on it. Yeah, I'm sorry 100% sure, but 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,400 Paul came up and introduced himself and He's a fan of the 46 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:28,000 show listens as he walks his dog, which I thought was really 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,600 cool and all the doctors and I'm already on among them. 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,200 I'm on board with that. I'm a fan of Paul, Paul's a fan 49 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,700 of the show, it's symbiotic. How did he recognize you here? 50 00:02:39,700 --> 00:02:41,800 He did. You recognize me probably by my 51 00:02:41,900 --> 00:02:44,000 crazy hair. Okay, God, I would say, all 52 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,600 right, I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, the other 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,500 person like to give a shout-out to is Tomas. 54 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:54,500 Yes, it's him. Moss is writing haikus for 55 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:58,100 whoever wants a haiku, but you have to give them a little bit 56 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:01,000 of information and it's what's on your mind. 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,700 And so what was on? My mind is killing the password. 58 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:07,500 As you could imagine Island, you woke up and shows violence. 59 00:03:07,500 --> 00:03:09,200 Yes. I went right for the violence 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,300 and he took that violence and turned it into a call for 61 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:16,400 patriotism around killing the password. 62 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,400 So let me read my Haiku is from up on high. 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:25,300 The Herald's cry. Passwords are dead o, Let 64 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:30,300 Freedom Ring beautiful. That's how I mean that you could 65 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:37,000 put that into any historical sort of context or fantasy 66 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,800 context. I can see that as very much 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,000 being a Game of Thrones episode, it could be a Game of Thrones. 68 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,700 I was thinking of they can take our lives, but they can never 69 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:48,300 take our freedoms, but they can take our passwords. 70 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:52,300 Take our passwords. That was the third, the third. 71 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,600 Of that. That most people don't know. 72 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,900 They don't teach you that in history books, the support where 73 00:03:55,900 --> 00:03:58,000 the video cuts off for most people. 74 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,400 So let's talk about the octave conference bent you and I spent 75 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,500 some time sort of beginning the day at the kind of the partner 76 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:06,900 side of things. There were a couple things that 77 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:08,800 they announced will get into that. 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,300 And what s I just realized this is your first time on the show, 79 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:13,300 it is. So we have to find out what your 80 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,899 your identity background is. Oh no, it is identity. 81 00:04:16,899 --> 00:04:19,200 Something that you chose or did it Choose You? 82 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:26,200 Ah, a prepared question Yeah, so identity about five or six years 83 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,000 ago was something that I was told I would be assuming the 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,000 role in as I rolled off a program and took a the spot of 85 00:04:35,008 --> 00:04:36,200 another person who had moved out. 86 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,600 So I was kind of put in charge of the identity rains for the 87 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,000 company with little to no experience before doing that. 88 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,500 And I really discovered both a skill at it and it was it was 89 00:04:49,500 --> 00:04:52,900 actually something that I really enjoyed doing and so Really 90 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:58,100 excited to be on a identity. Eccentric team now and really 91 00:04:58,100 --> 00:05:01,900 focusing on only identity for the most part. 92 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:04,600 So they're happy to be here. So it shows you for sure. 93 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,100 Then sort of you did make the conscious decision to say that 94 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:10,700 I'm going to be an idea. Now I know you have yes but when 95 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:14,200 I first got into it it was it was an assignment that I was 96 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,800 given. Got it. 97 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,200 All right, so let's talk I guess the the opening part for you and 98 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,900 I was the partner stuff, you know probably I'll be honest, a 99 00:05:22,907 --> 00:05:25,000 little probably boring for most people who are listening and I 100 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,400 met seven areas, but really kind of talking about right? 101 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,600 How octal engages with Partners to really kind of help make sure 102 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,100 the product of Clements go, well, and they're getting the 103 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:36,000 maximum value of the product. There were a couple things that 104 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,000 were of notes. Interested, a, I don't want to 105 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,600 steal the Thunder want to give you all the honours. 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,500 Oh, so, what was I was taking notes? 107 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:46,200 Yeah, I'm sure you were. So I I think the the big one, 108 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:50,100 most visually represented is the new brand. 109 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,500 They've tightened up the word. OCTA, the font, put some, put 110 00:05:54,500 --> 00:05:57,600 some meaning behind it around. I believe it was stability and 111 00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:01,600 consistency, a little bit more trustworthy of a logo. 112 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,900 It seemed to be the play, they were making and then the, the 113 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:08,500 actual logo itself that they call the aura, the, the 114 00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:14,300 traditional OCTA blue 0 is now more of a, it reminds me in 115 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:18,300 Jeff, you put a very well earlier of piano keys in a 116 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:22,100 concentric Circle. And they what they do in their 117 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:26,100 little animation, as they zoom in on, and actually comes out as 118 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,300 a little video, reels that tell the story of someone or multiple 119 00:06:30,300 --> 00:06:33,100 people's identity. So it was a very nice Dynamic 120 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:37,200 visual. The I thought it looked like 121 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,900 piano keys. I'm no, I'm I'm one hundred and 122 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,500 forty seven percent positive that that's not the intention 123 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,900 the way they described it is facets. 124 00:06:45,100 --> 00:06:47,900 I guess, you know, sort of like I guess to kind of talk about 125 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:51,300 the complexity of identity How to connect, you know, all come 126 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:52,100 together. But either. 127 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:55,900 Anyway, there is a beautiful people than me just like people. 128 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Yeah, like there's little heads on the end of them, right? 129 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,800 Know you, I think from far away you could, you could think that 130 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:07,400 way, I believe they wanted it to be like the old-fashioned slide 131 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:11,300 inserts or something that are usually photos. 132 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:13,700 But in this case, they were little video reels. 133 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:16,700 But yeah. To the facets that show a person 134 00:07:16,700 --> 00:07:18,900 and well we saw April in the hallway. 135 00:07:18,900 --> 00:07:20,300 Yeah. After the announcement, Gave a 136 00:07:20,308 --> 00:07:21,800 good night. Yeah, she was talking about is 137 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,900 like it for, you know, the the old heads out there like myself, 138 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:26,000 right? Member you have a, you have 139 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,200 like, the, the photo slides work, like, chunk chunk chunk 140 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:31,700 kind of around the circle, right? 141 00:07:31,700 --> 00:07:35,100 That was sort of the thought that I had around it, as well as 142 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:38,100 the in April and each of those things, it's kind of hard to 143 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:40,500 describe on an audio podcast. You have to watch the video but 144 00:07:40,500 --> 00:07:44,300 essentially each kind of floats up into some sort of, You Know, 145 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:46,900 video or picture, whatever it may be, I thought it was cool as 146 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,800 a really slick. You had to be there animation. 147 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,600 Yeah, I had to be there. So, that was kind of the partner 148 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,600 stuff. There was also one other thing 149 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,800 that they announced you want to talk about the demo platform. 150 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Yeah, so the, the new demo dr.com has been released and I 151 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,100 think the coolest part about it is it is a it's a fully built 152 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:08,400 out demo platform, very similar to what they had in Octa prize 153 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:12,300 previous to this, but it is available to anyone and everyone 154 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:15,600 you can, you can log in, you can make an account, you can save, 155 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,900 you know, anything that you built in the demo platform but 156 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,900 that, that big differentiator from what Used to be to what it 157 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:22,400 is. Now, I think is, is the 158 00:08:22,407 --> 00:08:27,700 availability along with, you can build, cic, or customer 159 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:31,400 identity, Cloud capabilities, formerly known as auth0. 160 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,299 And, and I think that entire demo platform being available to 161 00:08:36,299 --> 00:08:39,600 anyone who wants to get in there and even just try it out or demo 162 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,700 it for for customers or anything like that. 163 00:08:41,700 --> 00:08:45,900 I think is a really huge enabler and is very smart of them to do. 164 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:47,800 Oh, yeah. For sure, I think anytime you 165 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,000 can visualize how it works. And see it. 166 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,100 Yeah, that's worth so much more than just kind of talking about 167 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,200 it. So that was kind of cool 168 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,800 anything and I had to ditch out for a couple hours to take some 169 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,300 meetings but anything the afternoon it was interesting. 170 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,400 Let's see, is he Scrolls through his nose is as I go through my 171 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,600 notes, I think the afternoon was a lot more conversation panel 172 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,400 based there was, there was a couple of business success 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 stories. So it was much less 174 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:18,400 announcement, heavy and much more. 175 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,100 You know what are these? Individual people think about 176 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:23,700 this specific use case. So yeah not as not quite as much 177 00:09:23,700 --> 00:09:27,300 announcements, I would say. What is the tagline for the 178 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,500 conference to something like identity is personal? 179 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,900 There's there's to it. Yeah, it's like your identity as 180 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:37,400 yours or something. Your idea, your identity belongs 181 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,100 to you. Yeah. 182 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:41,700 And the other one from the, from the partner Summit is better 183 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:45,000 together like peanut butter and jelly, or fish and chips. 184 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:49,200 Yeah, I mean, the better better together, we hear a lot, you 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,900 used a lot, the personal identity, peas reminded me of 186 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,700 self-serve, self, Sovereign identity. 187 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:02,100 The idea that you could have your identity, T. 188 00:10:02,300 --> 00:10:05,000 You own it? It's not something that's issued 189 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,100 by an identity provider, baby, digital wallets. 190 00:10:10,100 --> 00:10:15,400 And so makes me wonder if that's part of the Future Vision is, 191 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,100 you know, you've got, of course, Enterprise IDP, of course you've 192 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:26,700 got commercial IDP, what about identity act? 193 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:31,900 As a IDP another words creating these self Sovereign Knight And 194 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:36,300 he's, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, you know, that's what 195 00:10:36,300 --> 00:10:38,200 made me think of, I think our ways out from there. 196 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,000 I think the idea is that, you know, actors, the neutral 197 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,500 identity partner. So if you're thinking about it 198 00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:46,300 strategically from an authentication standpoint, you 199 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:49,500 know, the idea that OCTA is sort of like the glue that kind of 200 00:10:49,508 --> 00:10:52,300 holds everything together, connect to any app, connect to 201 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:55,500 any service, They Don't Really Care versus maybe something is 202 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:58,100 more of a platform play where, you know, there are other 203 00:10:58,100 --> 00:10:59,600 products that anything occasionally is like, okay, 204 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 we're very good in what they do and and sort of like their 205 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,600 ecosystem. Whereas, I think this is where 206 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,800 the position is, but I'm not going to try and sell octaves 207 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,800 product. They do it. 208 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:10,700 They do it just find themselves, but that's sort of the intention 209 00:11:10,700 --> 00:11:12,800 is to think it'd be that sort of centralized. 210 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,100 IDP essentially that connects to everything. 211 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,600 I think there's been this idea for a long time about what will 212 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,300 be the ultimate identity provider, maybe government 213 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:28,400 Identity or entity and then you start to run into, well, not 214 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:32,200 everyone falls under that government, entities, Said that 215 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,800 excludes a lot of people that's not going to work. 216 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,700 And then you think of somewhere like a big social identity 217 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:45,000 provider, like Facebook and you know, that's where we were 10 218 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000 years ago, we thought that might be it. 219 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:51,300 I think nobody thinks that these days that that's going to 220 00:11:51,300 --> 00:11:53,400 happen. Somebody else. 221 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,700 Maybe who's one of the social identity Wars at this point is 222 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:58,600 it? I feel like I use Google for 223 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,400 everything. Just I would say by default, 224 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,200 it's going. Google Microsoft. 225 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,300 I I almost don't want to use Facebook right. 226 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:10,500 Every time I see it, I just I have no good reason. 227 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,300 I just I think I use my Google credentials like you're saying 228 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,100 much more I think I treat it more seriously. 229 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:21,200 Mmm, right. Yeah, Facebook is for well, he's 230 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,500 a my perspective, it's for the Facebook login, but also all 231 00:12:24,500 --> 00:12:27,300 the, you know, the dumb apps that you can write your, the 232 00:12:27,308 --> 00:12:29,400 game, which Game of Thrones character are you armed? 233 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,900 The, you know, what kind of potato would you be right? 234 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,100 So now we've transitioned to the evening time and it sounds like 235 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:37,300 it's going to love it. Quieter out there. 236 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:40,300 DJ must to stop for a little bit, but it is the official kind 237 00:12:40,300 --> 00:12:43,500 of kick off for the real sort of octane conference that most 238 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,200 people are probably interested in it kicked off. 239 00:12:46,500 --> 00:12:50,400 It's kind of a cool interview with Serena Williams. 240 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,900 Any thoughts from how that went down? 241 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,200 She did a good job. I thought she was very 242 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,100 authentic. There were there were portions 243 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:01,900 of the, the interview where I think she laughed at her own 244 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:08,100 response or or, you know, gave it gave a very personal response 245 00:13:08,100 --> 00:13:10,100 to a lot of things. So it was, It was kind of cool 246 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:13,100 to see that live and being in the audience. 247 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:15,400 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it wasn't. 248 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,100 Wasn't something that was staged and not wasn't like her 249 00:13:19,100 --> 00:13:22,400 repeating. Some presentation that she's 250 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,000 done. 20 times is a an interview. 251 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,600 She was speaking from the heart, I really like her. 252 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:32,100 Hmm. Like I didn't know much about 253 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:37,500 her other than what you saw in like ESPN news shows and things 254 00:13:37,500 --> 00:13:41,000 like that and I mean you know that you're never getting the 255 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,100 real sense of the person. I also thought that kind of a 256 00:13:46,108 --> 00:13:50,800 during the interview was like, it's almost like there's the 257 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,800 opportunity for her to be a caricature, you know, like hey, 258 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,700 you're doing, you're so awesome. Like what's your next awesome 259 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:04,600 thing you're going to do or, you know, you should fit some kind 260 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,800 of preconception that exists for you. 261 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:13,200 But I think anybody who watch that interview said, whoa, she's 262 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,700 a little bit different than I expected her to be. 263 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,500 At least that was the thing. I came away with and she was 264 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:23,500 very thoughtful, you know, there's a whole dialogue around 265 00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:28,300 her venture capital and it was like, you know, yeah, she is 266 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:31,900 like bigger goals but at the same time she's doing it because 267 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:34,600 she is an entrepreneur and wants to make money. 268 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Yeah. And like that came through to me 269 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,700 is like, you know what? That's really genuine like she's 270 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:44,000 not trying to make it sound like she's, you know, the doing some 271 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:49,700 kind of like You know social justice or religious movement or 272 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:52,600 anything like that. It's like hey I'm in Venture 273 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,000 Capital because you know now there was the whole angle of 274 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,100 like what brought her into it which I think she did want to 275 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:05,500 just have a desire to have some change on society. 276 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,000 But she was very clear that like hey I want to I want to be 277 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,400 profitable. Yeah and that's a kind of build 278 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,600 on that. There was a point where the 279 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,700 interviewer had asked her Does she feel that she's an athlete 280 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:22,300 and Advocate or both? And I think she did a good job 281 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:24,700 of focusing in on that Advocate Part. 282 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:31,200 And she kind of detailed how she doesn't see herself as a as a 283 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,600 defined Advocate or like that she has to do these things 284 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,600 because it's a social justice thing. 285 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,100 She very much answered and said, no, I just think this is the 286 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:44,500 right way to behave and when I see something wrong I'm going to 287 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:46,700 say that it's wrong. And Maybe do something to change 288 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:50,300 it, but it was very much because her whole focus with the Venture 289 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:57,000 company is about getting more women and more women of color 290 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,800 into these. These fundings and these Venture 291 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,200 capitalism situations and it's purely because that's what she 292 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,900 wants to do. Not that she's she feels that 293 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:12,000 she needs to be an advocate and I think that's where the genuine 294 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,300 part comes in. I think that's the key word was 295 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:15,500 genuine. It was a real interview. 296 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,300 You, it was not anything staged, it was it covered. 297 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:21,000 A lot of grounds for ya, for 45 minutes, going to talk about a 298 00:16:21,008 --> 00:16:23,600 whole bunch of different stuff, but I thought it was good. 299 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,300 It was a good. It was a good opening sort of 300 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:31,200 conversation ahead of like the identity talk, which is really 301 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,900 kind of tomorrow. So kind of going through that 302 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:37,500 and making sure that, you know, I think people kind of get off 303 00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:40,100 on a little more. Casual footing is probably nice. 304 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,200 So so that was good Jim I don't know Ben if you saw this but Jim 305 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,400 you and I kind of sat through a talk that Matt blasted glossop 306 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,300 velocities church. I'm going to screw that up. 307 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,500 He's gonna be on the show tomorrow, I think it is. 308 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,800 We'll get a ripe banana tree by then but he's with jam and he 309 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,100 talked about some of the new authentication options that are 310 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:04,700 available for Mac OS, between OCTA and some other things that 311 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,599 have been worked on to make that, you know, smoother, which 312 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:08,400 I thought was pretty interesting. 313 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,300 I'm a Mac person myself and it seemed like it's gotten so much 314 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:15,099 better than, than the old days, but I thought was pretty 315 00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:16,400 interesting. And I'm sure we'll get into that 316 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,300 with him tomorrow. Yeah, it was like his feet 317 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:21,099 presentation because there's so much going on with 318 00:17:22,099 --> 00:17:26,900 authentication options within the Mac OS environment. 319 00:17:28,300 --> 00:17:33,200 Look, one thing that I would say listen to that episode because 320 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:38,100 we've kind of come up with some questions and they're they're 321 00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:43,400 not like snowball questions and it's questions like alright well 322 00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:49,900 you know why would a CIA Want to run Mac notebooks our laptops 323 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:54,400 and the environment know why not just run Windows you know if 324 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,500 it's more secure so I think Matt's ready to take on the 325 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:01,300 sides of questions. I did have a chance to chat with 326 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:03,700 them and those are only questions, right? 327 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:06,000 I think the whole Mac versus Windows debate has been around 328 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,200 around for a while. I think famously IBM. 329 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:14,100 Switched over to Max as like their primary Enterprise 330 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:15,800 machine. And that crazy is crazy. 331 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,200 It was crazy because it was like five or six years ago when it 332 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,300 happened, maybe even longer at this point and, you know, their 333 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:24,500 study was that. Yeah, it was cheaper to run with 334 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:28,800 Max because they were more. They were less prone to errors 335 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,000 of different sorts whether it's Hardware or just software things 336 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,200 that were going on you and I have run into a lot of 337 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,600 organizations where both ones that we work for and ones that 338 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,300 we've worked, you know, as consultants for that do not 339 00:18:43,300 --> 00:18:46,700 allow Mac. In their environment. 340 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:49,800 So I think it's a shame. It is I think so too. 341 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,600 I mean, I'm a huge Mac fan. But anyway, Matt will help us 342 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,600 articulate. How can be just as secure if it 343 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,200 can be. Yeah, let's see. 344 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,900 They've turned on the lights in here so I'm wondering if that is 345 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:05,700 something our might be knocking on the doors. 346 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,700 Yeah, exactly. So what are some other notes? 347 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,900 I know Ben, you had a run-in maybe with the claw machine. 348 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,400 The claw machine is not as easy as it appears to be. 349 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:17,800 Bi. I don't think I saw anyone walk 350 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,400 away from from the claw machine with a prize, and I had my eyes 351 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,400 on a nice OCTA branded yeti in there and the claw is flimsy. 352 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,200 In comparison to the claw was unkind. 353 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:31,500 Yes, the claw judged me unworthy. 354 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:34,800 So they had this thing that I saw was called octave for good 355 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,000 and they've done this. Now add a few different 356 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,700 conferences we've been at but basically it's a Plinko Style 357 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,300 game where you take a disk and drop it in the top and it kind 358 00:19:43,300 --> 00:19:46,900 of bounces off different pegs and I was down into different 359 00:19:46,900 --> 00:19:50,100 dollar amounts and instead of a prize, it's essentially a 360 00:19:50,108 --> 00:19:53,800 donation that OCTA makes to some cause or charity. 361 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,500 That's listed. I saw someone get the max price 362 00:19:56,500 --> 00:20:00,500 which was $100 donation and it's you know, there's only one slots 363 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:04,100 in the middle and I have to be walking by at the right time so 364 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 lucky I guess that worked. I, you know, we're here 365 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,000 recording this podcast. I did not win the Powerball. 366 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,100 I'm sad to tell you. So this podcast will continue. 367 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:15,400 Do we have a limited number of tries? 368 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:18,700 At the octave for good Plinko as I won for everyone. 369 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:20,500 I don't know. I think yeah. 370 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,100 I'm not sure how they're validating. 371 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:23,600 I'll bet you haven't already done it. 372 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,700 Yeah, I think that's probably money. 373 00:20:25,700 --> 00:20:30,000 That they're happy to give away. There's also a photo booth. 374 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,500 There's a lot of cool stuff here. 375 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:38,100 There's the Haiku station. Yeah I think and Ben looks like 376 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:40,400 you guys seems I'm some I'm stepping away. 377 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,700 Drinkware. Yeah. 378 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,600 Well that's what send on that lighter note. 379 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,900 So what is the best? 18:22 vendor swag so far. 380 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:50,800 Oh yeah. Becky said immediately his eyes 381 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,000 like when whoa, he's already got like five or six things over 382 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,400 there. I see something that's cool. 383 00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:57,100 That wasn't in your Loop piled. I'm gonna try and go get. 384 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,300 What's the best thing you've seen so far? 385 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:03,800 Been well so my wife and I are big fans of camping and 386 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:07,900 containers that we can use to hold water and so I got this 387 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:10,500 foldable, it reminds me of an accordion. 388 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:14,300 It's basically this black rubber bottle that will collapse down 389 00:21:14,300 --> 00:21:19,700 and has a cap and Everything on it and collapsible our bottles 390 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:23,000 like a some sort of like rubbers comes from Arctic Wolf. 391 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,400 Yeah. So congrats Artic wolf. 392 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,200 That's a good. That's a good vendor swag item. 393 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:28,100 That's right. Jim, do you see anything out 394 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:32,300 there yet? I got a phone prop, you know. 395 00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:34,300 Basically hold your phone in place. 396 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:36,200 Okay. From LexisNexis. 397 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,700 All right, and a beer koozie from Piper. 398 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:44,000 I haven't done anything yet. I think great like this. 399 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,600 It's good stuff but not I'll wait for you guys to like, find 400 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,900 the good stuff. So I'm going to, I'm going to go 401 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:51,900 to article off a water bottle. I'll check out the phone holder. 402 00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:54,600 They don't have a lot of these. So yeah. 403 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:56,500 Well, we'll have to get there sooner. 404 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,800 So tomorrow is sort of like the official I guess. 405 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,200 Kind of opening day of all the different identity talks. 406 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,600 So we'll go ahead and wrap it up for this episode is kind of a 407 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,200 quick thing to get out there for folks, to listen to as they're 408 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,200 getting ready tomorrow morning. Perhaps, we'll have a whole 409 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,800 bunch of episodes. Again, coming up the next few 410 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,300 days. Again, shout out. 411 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,800 To the octave team for helping us out, shoutout to our SM, for 412 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,800 funding the travel here. And shout out to all you guys 413 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,800 who are listening to this stuff. 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