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Identity and access management. 
Welcome to the identity of the 

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center podcast. 
I'm Jeff. 

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And that's Jim. 
Hey, Jim. 

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Hey. 
Jeff. 

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How's it going? 
It's good. 

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It's Friday. 
And Friday night was a good 

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thing Mother's Day. 
And it's looked at looking like 

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this. 
Crazy weather throughout the 

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u.s. 
There's a snowstorm, hit the 

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Northeast. 
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I think we'll be okay here in 
Chicago, but it's been kind of 

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rainy the last few days. 
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I'm the southeast. 
Look like it. 

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Son. 
Seasonably cool. 

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Usually it's the time of year 
where it starts getting. 

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I'm sure you'd be uncomfortable 
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now. 
Low humidity and I mean this is 

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this is great living. 
Whether yeah, the high heat and 

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humidity is something that 
really are my Is My Kryptonite 

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and I think I think you know 
that well, I know the humidity 

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is, I mean, you know, I might as
well share their story with 

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everybody Jeff Perry. 
Yeah. 

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I know. 
I always tell it which is the 

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time. 
We went to Orlando in January 

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for Lando. 
It's humid. 

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It was In the 80s, I think but 
humidity is always the thing 

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that I really hate about Florida
and really kind of any human 

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location. 
Pretty sure it was 74 degrees 

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away man. 
It was like 100 degrees and it 

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was like a thousand percent 
humidity. 

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And it was not not my favorite 
type of whether that's for sure.

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That's very so, it's Friday. 
And today is May 8th. 

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Yesterday though was May 7th. 
And that was world s word day. 

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How did you celebrate? 
I mean, you know, it's like 

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Christmas for me. 
I just I celebrate the password 

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but up a password tree. 
No, I just reminded myself that 

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that quote from From Office 
Space. 

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I celebrate his entire 
collection. 

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I celebrate all of my password. 
I mean, you know, I think that 

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I'm just gonna sound so original
here, but passwords are crap. 

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They really should have been 
eliminated long ago because now 

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the internet is such an integral
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her. 
So ingrained in how we 

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authenticate over the internet. 
They're almost barely imagine a 

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world without passwords yet. 
That's where we need to head. 

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Yeah. 
Password is not modern 

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authentication. 
That's for sure. 

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You know, once you get a hold of
a password, it's really just a 

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matter of time. 
Even if it's encrypted, right, 

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you're running. 
If you gotta encrypted hash 

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somewhere, you're running 
rainbow tables and once that has

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been cracked, once it's cracked 
everywhere. 

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And that's you know, why? 
The guidance is always have a 

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different password for each 
website, but The reality of the 

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world, right? 
That's very hard to do. 

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Most people pick, you know, one,
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and they just start adding 
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The becomes very easy to solve 
for. 

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I like the concept of moving 
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list, but I don't think we're 
quite there yet though. 

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It is gaining in popularity. 
I've had a couple of passwords 

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that I reuse. 
So one of the, one of the things

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that I read a long time ago that
I thought was, Good advice. 

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Was that because I don't use a 
password safe to have kind of a 

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framework for how you use 
password, think so, or really 

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kind of critical applications 
that I want to make. 

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Sure, never get cracked. 
I either ensure that one. 

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They have multi factor or two 
that I'm using a unique path. 

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In other words. 
They invest the Life Energy and 

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making sure I have a unique 
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Site, I like that. 
The Life Energy. 

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Yeah. 
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my energy to have like, you know
extra passwords that you don't 

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have elsewhere and to remember 
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And then there are sites where 
it's like, okay, I am not going 

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to store my credit cards with 
this, you know, online Commerce 

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site. 
I'm probably going to buy 

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something or here once or twice.
I'm, they're making me create an

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account. 
So I'm just going to reuse that 

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same password of used million 
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And so I do that. 
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that Google Chrome now has a 
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And it's I think it's a really 
cool feature which is like, oh, 

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hey boss, you're you know, this 
pastor is already on the dark 

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web. 
Holy moly. 

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Wow, because I need to go make a
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Yeah. 
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Maybe I should stop using that 
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But yeah, you know, that's 
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Is that either ensure the 
multi-factor or I'm using a 

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fresh new password. 
He really taking a risk based 

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approach, then to ask for it is 
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partially the laziness because 
they know if I were to use a 

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password safe, I could be doing 
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find that there's a certain 
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with doing that especially when 
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And those devices span different
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We've got like, you know, some 
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Microsoft stuff, and some Google
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And you want to just be able to 
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I'm making excuses, specially 
for somebody to use in this 

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industry, but it kind of shows. 
Chose the problem, even somebody

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who understands all the risks of
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The way I do them. 
I do them my way. 

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Anyhow, you accepted the risks. 
I fall on the other side of it. 

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I use a password manager. 
I use LastPass. 

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And, you know, I wouldn't say 
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I've become more involved with 
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random passwords and the 
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devices and different. 
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Microsoft IOS and Android, I'm 
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jumping around between all of 
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So, I've settled on LastPass as 
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they have an app, basically for 
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And that lets me really kind of 
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So I use, you know, randomized 
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different complexity things and 
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a more conscious effort of 
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each website. 
If I have it as I come across 

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it, you know, I've been going to
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kind of get it synced up and 
that so far has worked pretty 

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well for me. 
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stretches across Windows 
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phone and tablet. 
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a lot easier for me. 
So obviously we don't have 

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sponsors on this show. 
Otherwise, we'd have a better 

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dream situation as Ron 
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Weak. 
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that I've been using for years 
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version, you know that I'm using
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and so we don't have managed 
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you know, if you were working in
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number of passwords for the 
corporation and personal may, or

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may not be allowed to install 
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Passing the corporate devices. 
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Yeah, that's why you've got to 
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use MFA even on that your I'm 
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itself that is not used anywhere
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I mean, it is a lot of work and 
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which is passwords just 
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excited about password lists, 
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know, how often or how quickly 
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like Windows. 
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apps and so forth. 
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that at Microsoft's ignite, 
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that were using password, 
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Hello. 
It's gonna cater app, you know? 

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Push-based and then different 
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He's like, etcetera and they've 
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that's grown by 50% already. 
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using Capital. 
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You know, I think it's a step in
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happy when we can finally say. 
Yeah, the password truly is 

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dead. 
But I have a feeling that's 

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going to be your carrying 
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That's your password. 
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It's a lot of companies are 
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of, like, your secondary off, or
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authentication in some cases, 
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And having a session of tiger 
over who was with earlier this 

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week and we're talking about, 
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like why? 
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more folks invest in, you know, 
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And part of it is that it seems 
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It's hot. 
It's the now, but the next thing

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is right around the corner. 
And so, how much, how many 

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dollars would you invest in 
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Like that? 
Knowing is probably going to be 

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obsoleted in a couple of years. 
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going back to my operations days
having to manage RSA tokens and,

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you know, having to deal with 
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is a challenge, right? 
I mean, you've got to get them 

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out to people, people lose them.
They break, you know, they're 

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not configured, right? 
And accomplish the things going 

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wrong. 
Now, that was admitted really 15

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years ago, roughly. 
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lot better right now. 
It's now it's more of a 

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app-based thing on your phone, 
but I think it'll be interesting

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to see how this space of all is 
because there's also other 

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things to right. 
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you're typing Cadence, right? 
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authenticate, which I find 
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I'm trying to remember a typing.
DNA was one of the examples that

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we've looked at in the past as 
brand of evaluate space, but I'm

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waiting for, you know, natural 
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You know, when is the computer 
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and be able Bill natural 
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based on voice patterns and 
prints Pollock. 

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Good stuff has kind of routine, 
you know, absolutely anything we

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can do to get closer to. 
What did they have in Star Trek,

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where it was a room where it was
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Holodeck. 
I mean, that is like, that's 

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everything right there. 
I don't think I've ever heard. 

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Well, that's why I think that's 
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and You know, I've I've dabbled 
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and it is very good. 
But your it's still for the most

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part. 
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set up a tethered experience. 
So we are stuck in a room or you

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have a wire something connected 
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But you're still very limited by
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I have seen that there are some 
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type style games right that take
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it's a VR experience, but man, 
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know. 
Headfirst and correction tool 

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wall or something like that, 
right? 

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Exactly boundaries, but I think 
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it. 
It's like anything else at some 

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point. 
It'll miniaturize and get 

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cheaper and become standard. 
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hololens a thing for years and 
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space. 
But this is all things that we 

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are PR is going to to go the 
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Well, I don't know. 
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with 3D TV was hot. 
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that. 
I don't want that. 

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I thought it was the coolest 
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I think it's very cool. 
But a lot of people it makes a 

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lot of people sick. 
Yeah, they it's not good enough 

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to the Quality, where the 
experience in the Fidelity, can 

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trick the mines for all people. 
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discomfort people who wear 
glasses, have to put something 

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over there, you know, over that 
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It's and I used to wear glasses,
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know, Like done in that. 
Struggle is real. 

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different things that kind of go
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Who knows, maybe maybe Holograms
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at some point when you have 
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were really into VR useful. 
A lot of money on it. 

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What were you saying with that? 
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Are you doing much? 
I'm staring at it right now. 

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It's in a box underneath my, my 
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Here. 
It's kind of a hassle for me to 

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kind of pull out and put 
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The technology definitely works 
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a tethered experience and I 
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It's probably time for me to say
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But for those wondering, I have 
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there's Oculus, which is owned 
by Facebook. 

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Now, they have another, you 
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That's pretty good. 
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using it and it's not for 
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General laziness. 
Let's put it that way. 

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It has to be worth the time 

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investment for you. 
Otherwise, you're not going to 

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do it. 
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I mean there's there's a lot to 
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wires come over the place. 
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that part, right? 
The experience is a lot better 

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and you know, who knows from a 
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you know, that might be A method
to look at maybe. 

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Maybe your mask your VR mask 
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Right? 
Right. 

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Or yeah. 
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have any kind of facial 
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probably be some sort of retinal
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Drive the cost up quite a bit. 
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down might make sense to when 
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know, it does a nice can and 
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current technology. 
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problem that a lot of people are
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now because of covid. 
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because you're you got a mask 
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recognized as a problem and, you
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Point update that they're 
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have a solution for that which 
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see how they're going to keep 
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on punished and ha ha. 
Yeah, right. 

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So you keep this on the password
K conversation. 

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And you know, I think that they 
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Here's the way I look at multi 
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complete. 
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usually something out of band or
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cracked, I take from many, many 
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In other words. 
It creates an open for her role.

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That going ahead and crack the 
is too much effort for what 

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you're feeling. 
Now. 

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I think of you are National 
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financial data. 
You know, SMS text is a second 

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factor is not strong enough. 
However, if you're protecting, 

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you know, their ability to 
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it probably is The problem with 
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This one came to my name's 
Facebook has become an identity 

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provider that people under so 
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kind of concerns me that, you 
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So active. 
Somebody's Facebook isn't about 

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just doing their pictures are 
putting up a, you know, stupid 

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Post-its. 
What can you then Branch off to 

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do when you have hijacked a 
Facebook account? 

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So find out the best. 
Example, but if you thought of 

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something else, save more 
trivial, you're having a second 

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factor is an SMS text or an 
authenticator app name of 

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authenticator app, like, for me 
and you and probably most people

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listening to this. 
We don't think of authenticator 

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app to his company not far and 
but I keep the person I use them

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in my world who is a non 
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I just imagine trying to explain
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Authenticator. 
Yep, I get I get a panic attack,

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even thinking about trying to 
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Yeah, there is definitely a 
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able to do that easily and I 
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example of how they've kind of 
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For example, you know iOS 
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the OS itself. 
It's very easy to Use and 

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they've kind of people are used 
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Okay. 
I'm going to get a code summer 

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right on my phone or whatever it
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Whether it's SMS or a popup on 
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something similar as well and 
other devices as well. 

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But or other voices, I should 
say, but yeah, trying to explain

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here. 
I want you to load the OCTA app,

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right? 
And then register the app to app

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with systems. 
It's easy for you and I because 

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we get it. 
But yeah, I can see how, you 

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know, people struggle with that.
I've been trying to get my wife 

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to use LastPass, you know, for 
years because Constantly, you 

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know, having her log in a 
different machines, you know, 

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what's my Microsoft s approval? 
I don't know what's your 

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password and then, you know, 
she's sitting there kind of 

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thinking about it. 
Like, well, why don't you use a 

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password manager? 
And she's like, well, why don't 

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we just use the same password 
for everything? 

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All right, so she knows that 
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know, me educating her, she 
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when she spots something that's 
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she'll tell me about, I'm like, 
oh, you wouldn't believe this. 

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So, I've kind of turned her into
a little bit of password or 

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identity. 
Kind of, you know, evangelist, 

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but worry, it's not easy right 
to spotting things that are 

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weird companies. 
And obviously, I think the thing

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that I see every day. 
I want to send you money or this

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time scanners like oh my God 
believe. 

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Right. 
The IRS is wants to refund your 

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money and you need to pay them 
back and Apple gift cards or 

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Google. 
Now. 

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Those are those are obviously 
legitimate because you know, the

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IRS accepts a gift cards has 
been. 

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Yeah, of course, I mean, what 
would take a couple gift cards 

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because hey at some point there 
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US currency. 
That's another, that's another 

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conversation. 
So some of them are ones, 

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especially And when they were 
persistent, like, you know, this

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is the final warning, your Apple
ID is about to be disabled got 

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like seven of these now maybe 
and you think, no, you know, 

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anything do you open them? 
And by the way, when you open an

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email, a lot of times has been 
reached email email or have a 

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tracking bit is what you usually
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Other words. 
It's like some image that wanted

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to need one. 
Solar to be an image. 

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It's like it's a unique URL that
says, you know, this particular 

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email is open by this particular
user. 

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Now. 
They know they have somebody on 

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the other end who potentially 
always, at least billable enough

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to open their email and now 
they've got someone, they're 

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going to keep sending those spam
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Do, some of them are looking 
great. 

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I mean, they take but you just 
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Agent to follow certain rules, 
not click on links that are in 

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those emails. 
I mean if you just simply from 

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PayPal, be redirected to your 
PayPal app or go directly to 

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paypal.com., Don't trust the 
email, the link in the email and

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usually, you know, if you really
know you're doing you can tell 

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if it's a fake URL, but it's 
just better to be pushing 

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talking about educating. 
And I think there's a big thing 

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that companies do is come up 
with cyber. 

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Security awareness, training, 
education, programs to get, 

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people, especially around 
phishing attempts, to be able to

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spot them and not fall, prey to 
them. 

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And then I know a lot of 
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trying to screw fissuring users 
and Spearfish. 

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That's a very intense, very 
technical particular individual 

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and trying to convince them that
an email from somebody else 

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within the organization that may
be is their boss or somebody 

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higher up and say, it's directed
directly at them and, you know, 

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versus regular fishing, which is
where you can send it to 

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everybody in the company for 
fishing is kind of like I see is

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like, you know, you're you're 
just cast on the line and 

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whatever. 
B. 

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B spearfishing, you know, you're
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Right? 
That's really very specific, 

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specific thing. 
You're looking for specific 

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person. 
Yeah, usually there's somebody 

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who's high up in the 
organization, who would have 

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access to sensitive data or 
might have some information in 

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their email. 
Those are usually people who can

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be correct. 
Sometimes they go out for system

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administrators and system 
administrators. 

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You would hope are a little more
sophisticated than to fall for 

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phishing attempt. 
But I think that obviously, if 

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you are able to get your hands 
in there, credential could be 

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much. 
More valuable. 

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Yeah, I'm glad you brought this 
fishing thing because came 

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across an article this week and 
it's it's from Barracuda 

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networks, and they had 
commissioned a research Company 

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by name of census wide. 
With I've never heard of, 

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hopefully this isn't any type of
fake news or whatever they 

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surveyed. 
They went out and surveyed 1,000

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different business decision 
makers across the United 

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Kingdom. 
U.s. 

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France and Germany, so obviously
not Global, but enough. 

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Representation, I think the draw
some conclusions and one of the 

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things that they saw was over 
half of them. 51 percent had 

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seen an increase in phishing 
attacks since this whole 

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covid-19 and shift to the remote
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So I think it's definitely a, 
you know, on the rise, you've 

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got Bad actors who are trying to
take advantage of the situation.

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And, you know, part of that is 
the train that goes along with 

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it. 
Over half again, said that their

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Workforce wasn't proficient or 
properly trained in cyber risk 

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associated with remote working. 
So, remote working is brand new 

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for a lot of companies, right? 
This is not something that 

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they've had to consider, you 
know, in the past and now all of

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a sudden, you know, within a 
span of a week, two weeks right 

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now. 
They've got most of our courses 

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working from home. 
They've had to put in, you know,

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very tactical probably processes
to kind of keep the business 

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running. 
You know, throughout this up and

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demek. 
So I think it highlights some of

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the things that maybe people are
already seeing or, you know, 

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should be aware of. 
But there's always more training

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that can be done. 
But I thought it was interesting

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that, you know, over half 
basically are saying yeah, we're

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seeing a rise in fishing because
of the whole pandemic and I 

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would expect that that number 
will continue to grow. 

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Because I expect that, you know,
most companies, at least big 

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ones have announced that they're
going to extend, you know, work,

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From home as a primary method 
through the, at least the end of

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this year, you know, some are 
already saying, you know, for 

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summer of next year, you know, 
full you're out. 

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So it's something I think that 
as people in the identity space.

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We need to make sure that are 
communicating to the folks that 

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we work with colleagues Etc. 
Right? 

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To be able to hopefully improve 
level of security that's out 

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there and at least just make 
people aware of hey, you know 

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what, you may see, you know, an 
uptick in and phishing attacks. 

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Yeah, and then a couple things, 
I mean, you little my radar of 

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the key things there and I'm 
going to pick on the 

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non-security thing for our. 
So it's the increase and semi at

454
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,700
least semi permanence of work 
from home. 

455
00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:08,000
I've been a proponent of this 
for a long time. 

456
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:14,500
I've worked from home for a 
decade and I feel like it's 

457
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:19,700
probably not for everybody and 
there's definitely some benefit 

458
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:23,300
to everybody being in the same 
place. 

459
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,700
So I'm going to make that 
statement. 

460
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:32,000
However, from a quality-of-life 
perspective and the ability for 

461
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,300
a company to I think retain 
employees allowing work from 

462
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:40,900
home. 
Look what's the average commute 

463
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,800
in the United States to and from
work. 

464
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,900
It's probably more than a half 
hour each way, right? 

465
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,200
It's probably a half hour to an 
hour. 

466
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Each way. 
People are sending a an hour to 

467
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,500
two hours a day. 
Ten, you know, five to ten hours

468
00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:58,900
a week of their light sitting in
their car. 

469
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:05,900
Burning fossil fuels spending 
money on parking wear and tear 

470
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:09,500
on their car. 
And and it's just a reduced 

471
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:12,700
quality of life. 
I think versus the ability to 

472
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:15,000
work from home. 
Now, every job. 

473
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,600
I understand all the caveats. 
I'm not going to Go through them

474
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,500
all. 
But to me this up, that could be

475
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:24,900
a positive development to come 
out of this is that I think a 

476
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:29,400
lot of companies were afraid to 
even try it and maybe I've maybe

477
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,500
companies out. 
There may be some situations or 

478
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:38,200
finding this is very suboptimal.
But I bet you there are some 

479
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200
organization or anything or, you
know, we could, we could 

480
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,500
actually do this. 
We just save money on 

481
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:47,400
Commercial, Real Estate and 
improve the lives of our 

482
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:53,200
Hawaii's by you know allowing 
work from home either more or 

483
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
all the time. 
Yeah. 

484
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,700
I feel like there's a lot of 
people who I've been told over 

485
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:01,300
the years. 
The job that they can't do. 

486
00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,400
Remotely can absolutely be done 
remotely. 

487
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Yes, the technology is there 
now. 

488
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:11,900
It is, you know, not something 
that's, you know, new or Cutting

489
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,900
Edge and you're waiting for 
other people to take out all the

490
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:16,700
bugs and wrinkles for it. 
You know, it's like anything 

491
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,300
else that's out there. 
It's Infrastructure is 

492
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:22,200
configured correctly in your 
following good hygiene on 

493
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,300
security and you know identity 
management than I feel like the 

494
00:29:26,308 --> 00:29:31,100
most most people could probably 
do some if not all of their work

495
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:33,500
from home and I'm a big fan of 
it. 

496
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:36,600
I've worked for companies in the
past that did not have work from

497
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,900
home and have slowly, you know, 
at least when I was there kind 

498
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:45,000
of come to an agreement. 
Okay, you can work from home, 

499
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,200
one Friday a month, right? 
And It became okay every Friday 

500
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,500
right or something along those 
lines and this has really 

501
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,500
thrust. 
I think that decision-making 

502
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,600
back to the Forefront to say 
look. 

503
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,900
What are we? 
You know, what are we doing 

504
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:01,900
here? 
I think I think life is a lot 

505
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:03,800
easier when you can do from 
home, but it is not definitely 

506
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,900
not for everybody. 
Like you mentioned. 

507
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,100
I think there is some discipline
that needs to be there because 

508
00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,900
you know, you may have deadlines
or there's work that needs to 

509
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,700
get done within a certain amount
of time and you may have 

510
00:30:14,700 --> 00:30:18,200
distractions at home or, you 
know, there's two Any other 

511
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,200
things that might be competing 
for time, especially right now 

512
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000
with kids at home from school, 
right? 

513
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,100
I can see that being an issue 
when you're trying to manage 

514
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,300
children in the house as well as
work responsibilities. 

515
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,100
So I think fortune on a 
companies are recognized that 

516
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,900
and kind of working around it, 
but there is definitely things 

517
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:40,500
to consider just from that side,
but I am, I am a huge proponent 

518
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,700
of being able to work from home,
when it makes sense for all the 

519
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:48,400
reasons you listed. 
I think that the biggest thing 

520
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,600
that I'm seeing since the 
pandemic started is that people 

521
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,300
who maybe even wear work from 
home folks, traditionally now 

522
00:30:59,300 --> 00:31:02,000
have her kids home either 
because schools have been 

523
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,700
canceled or a closed and you 
know where they might be able to

524
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:13,400
rely on even you know, other 
family members watching their 

525
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,700
kids or however they had child. 
Care who seems dried up. 

526
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,300
And so now you've got a 
four-year-old and five-year-old 

527
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:24,200
kids hanging on their parents 
while they're trying to work. 

528
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,300
Also, totally different 
situation than what I've run 

529
00:31:28,300 --> 00:31:31,400
into traditionally with people 
who are work from home, who 

530
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,600
designed their life around, 
making sure that that doesn't 

531
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,000
happen or event. 
Only happens on, you know, weird

532
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,600
things like snow days or 
whatever, not thinking, like 

533
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,200
it's like the everyday 
occurrence. 

534
00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:49,600
Mercer people that I've been 
working with, who were working 

535
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,700
for other companies, where they 
work from home. 

536
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:55,700
They've worked out a situation. 
So say, you know, Mom and Dad 

537
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,400
are both room working from home 
now. 

538
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,300
And now the kids are there. 
They're figuring out some way to

539
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:05,600
split the working hours, so that
there's somebody's watching the 

540
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,200
kids and keeping them away. 
So I saw a really funny video. 

541
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,700
The other day was a guy doing a 
television interview and and one

542
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:22,800
of his kids boss. through the 
gears, you know, the mom like 

543
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,900
That was good those golden. 
But yeah, I so I mean and now to

544
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:55,300
pull it all together. 
So I think one of the biggest 

545
00:32:55,500 --> 00:33:02,800
risks overall with working from 
home is if you rely on passwords

546
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:07,200
to get to as your only form of 
authentication to get the 

547
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,000
services, whether they be proud 
services or to get back into the

548
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,800
internal Network, I mean then 
it's huge. 

549
00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:18,700
Obviously, you've got open to 
the outside world at those 

550
00:33:18,700 --> 00:33:22,800
passwords are weak, because, I 
think what's happening, is that 

551
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,500
companies are now having to open
things up in a way. 

552
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,500
They haven't in the past, and 
one of the things I'm going to 

553
00:33:28,508 --> 00:33:30,900
put it on in there. 
We don't like our podcasts to be

554
00:33:30,900 --> 00:33:35,900
a commercial, but it is that 
being, who's one of our partners

555
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:39,400
have been male and female that, 
I think it's either for the 

556
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,000
current customers or I'm not 
sure if anybody can use it. 

557
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:49,100
For anybody where you can 
essentially start leveraging, 

558
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:53,600
their multi-factor 
authentication Service for free 

559
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,800
to help, secure your remote 
Workforce during the pandemic. 

560
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,600
So I mean, to me that's like if 
you're in a situation now where 

561
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,900
you're humming ha I'm head 
sleeping at night because, you 

562
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:08,900
know, your, your entry from the 
outside world is just secured by

563
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,900
password. 
Look into this, looking to 

564
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:15,900
whether or not this free service
is something that That you could

565
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:20,900
Leverage The you to protect ya. 
If ya if your work from home, I 

566
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,600
don't think you could seriously 
say that you're, you're, you 

567
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,699
know, have the right security 
for just using password. 

568
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,300
I think that that is a 
no-brainer. 

569
00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,600
Hey, if you're doing any type of
remote work, there needs to be 

570
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,400
that second Factor somewhere to 
make sure you've got the proper 

571
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,900
level Purity or, you know, what 
something that I found 

572
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:43,199
disturbing in that same report 
and I'll put this report into 

573
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,500
the show notes. 
So that people can find it 

574
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:47,800
wherever they get their podcast.
That usually is some sort of 

575
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,800
detail page. 
We also get questions on that. 

576
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:54,800
It'll be in there. 40% of 
respondents have cut their 

577
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,200
cybersecurity budgets. 
As a cost-saving measure measure

578
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,600
to help tackle. 
The covid-19 crisis. 

579
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,100
So I think that's scary because 
now you're you know, you've got 

580
00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:09,900
more people working from home. 
And theoretically you're 

581
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,500
spending Less on security to 
cover those people. 

582
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,900
Not not a direct one-to-one 
correlation, but people cutting 

583
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:19,900
cybersecurity has time when 
there's going to be more 

584
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:23,200
phishing attacks more, you know,
everything else that goes along 

585
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,800
with with that. 
I think it's just a terrible 

586
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,400
combination. 
And you know, the other thing I 

587
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,500
think that was really 
interesting was half of them 

588
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,000
would consider asks, what would 
half of the the companies would 

589
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,600
consider making Workforce 
reductions if it meant company, 

590
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,800
data protection, could be 
properly funded. 

591
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,300
So they're cutting funding. 
But the way that they see, 

592
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:48,600
Buying back that funding is by 
doing reductions in an already 

593
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,000
terrible job market because of 
you know, all the shutdown that 

594
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400
are happening. 
So I think it's I think it's a 

595
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,300
really interesting and you know,
unfortunate approach to it. 

596
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:02,100
I think this is a time when 
security should not be on the 

597
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:07,400
table for cuts, especially if 
you are doing the work from home

598
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,400
type stuff that is become so 
prevalent. 

599
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:14,300
Well, I think yeah, I mean we 
could do it. 

600
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,700
In the airline industry, how can
you not uncover front? 

601
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:24,200
Turn over every stone. 
Look for places to God, you 

602
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,000
know, they put their businesses 
in the tank. 

603
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,400
At the same time. 
It just creates a perfect job 

604
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,500
for me to talk to you. 
So bright, you know, you don't 

605
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:39,700
if you do and damned if you 
don't, I do think a couple of 

606
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:44,100
things because, you know, you've
got to expect that this and 

607
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:47,200
done. 
Was going to end at some point 

608
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,700
and that things will shift back 
to normal. 

609
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:55,300
And one of the things that we 
saw was that cybersecurity 

610
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:59,800
professionals were in high 
demand for this habit and you 

611
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,100
know, higher than them other 
field. 

612
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:08,100
And so if you wind up cutting 
Workforce and on the way funding

613
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:12,100
Workforce isn't free is not like
we're paying you, you know a 

614
00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:16,700
thousand dollars a week. 
Week and then we're going to get

615
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,400
rid of you and it's going to 
cost us nothing. 

616
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,900
There's there's some kind of 
residual cost people paying, you

617
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,300
know, on a separate offense or 
thumping, get rid of somebody. 

618
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,600
If you have turn around, six 
months later. 

619
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,100
Hire somebody back into that 
position. 

620
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:33,600
Are you got the cost of 
recruiting somebody? 

621
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,000
I'm being realistic. 
Just seeing what's going on in 

622
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,300
certain industries. 
They might not have any choice. 

623
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
So that might be enough to you 
for a company. 

624
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,300
The mountain is better place to 
eat. 

625
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:51,200
You feeling pain, higher, the 
price of cyber security. 

626
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,400
People are pretty good out on 
the streets right now. 

627
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:58,500
I don't think there's not many 
Industries hiring a they were 

628
00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:01,400
released the unemployment 
numbers today and something like

629
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,200
16 percent unemployment in the 
United States must have great 

630
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,300
has been that low or that high 
since the Great Depression, but 

631
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200
it feels like it's going to be a
temporary. 

632
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,400
Things are starting to open back
up, but I have talked to people 

633
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:24,000
who are extremely worried that 
I'm not that worried about it, 

634
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:44,800
but other people. 
I'm sorry. 

635
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,300
I'm turning to see restaurants, 
open up and the Mexican 

636
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:49,600
restaurant. 
That's been my house. 

637
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,200
Was, they had a line outside on 
Cinco de Mayo. 

638
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,700
I think people are ready to get 
back to things or move. 

639
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:58,800
A lot of people are worried 
about things. 

640
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,300
So I feel like a lot of people, 
I think, the next we will be 

641
00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:08,100
listed in a month or two months.
I'm doorbell and see if the 

642
00:39:08,100 --> 00:39:12,100
pandemic spikes again. 
If it doesn't, then maybe a safe

643
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:16,200
to go out again. 
To feel like there's different 

644
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,400
levels of passion that people 
are following depending on their

645
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,400
risk tolerance. 
Yeah, I think everybody's making

646
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,400
a risk-based decisions. 
And you know, I'm happy staying 

647
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,400
at home, letting all the guinea,
pigs out. 

648
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,100
Figure it out. 
I'm definitely one of your 

649
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:35,900
guinea pigs definitely. 
But yeah, I think going back to 

650
00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,000
the point of, you know, talent. 
I think there will definitely be

651
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,500
Talent available, but I think 
security, you know, security has

652
00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:47,200
always been a hot Market. 
It or positions and for people 

653
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,000
looking to get into the space 
and I don't see that dropping 

654
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,000
any time soon because I think if
anything right this, this 

655
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,400
current situation highlights the
need for good security, 

656
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,700
especially these as these 
companies get hit, whether it's 

657
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:05,600
fishing or ransomware, you know,
or even just taking in. 

658
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Now, a flood of, you know, 
e-comm customers that weren't 

659
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,500
there before because you were a 
traditional brick and mortar 

660
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,000
restaurant. 
Right, or some other type of 

661
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,000
business. 
I see a lot of a lot of 

662
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,900
companies that have now gotten 
into the consumer. 

663
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:24,300
I am game and have no idea what 
they're doing, right? 

664
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:29,400
And are figuring out as they go.
So I think, I think, you know, 

665
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,400
the, the identity space, 
specifically, than security is 

666
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,200
very strong position right now. 
I don't see that going going 

667
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,800
down anytime soon. 
Right here, advice for somebody 

668
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:45,000
who's just getting into. 
This industry would be Continue 

669
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,300
to do so, it's okay to do. 
So get some experience in your 

670
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:54,200
watch YouTube videos, check out 
ID Pro, which is an organization

671
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,000
specifically for identity 
professionals. 

672
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,300
That voice that I'm a member of.
They have a good body of 

673
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,100
knowledge that's designed for 
people to get into and start to 

674
00:41:03,107 --> 00:41:05,300
learn things. 
You know, it's not and it's not 

675
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:07,300
just for newbies. 
It's, you know, for people who 

676
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,200
maybe focus on one specific 
area, but want to brush up on 

677
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,200
another area. 
Maybe you're, you're great on 

678
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200
the identity governance, but you
need to bone. 

679
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:16,100
Up on the sonication or offers a
right. 

680
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I think there's something out 
there but it's like any other 

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job. 
You've got to keep your skills 

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relevant and current and be able
to adapt to the changes that are

683
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that are part of the natural ebb
and flow of business. 

684
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And as long as you do that, you 
know, I feel like you'll you'll 

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have done everything within your
power. 

686
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To make yourself, marketable, 
and hireable and relevant to an 

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organization. 
Absolutely. 

688
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And listen to the podcast. 
That's a no-brainer. 

689
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Jim. 
I mean, we you know, we should 

690
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obviously be the number one 
source for all have any 

691
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information. 
All right. 

692
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:55,300
Well, I think that's probably a 
good spot to leave it for this 

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week. 
Anything else you want to bring 

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up Jim before we wrap up? 
No, I think, you know, just 

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yeah, shout out to all the 
mothers out there who know 

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Mother's Day. 
We all have one and most mothers

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do an amazing job. 
Abso shout out to all the 

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mothers, especially identity and
access management mother's right

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on. 
So if you Mother's Day everyone 

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stay healthy and I think with 
that we'll leave it and we'll 

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talk to y'all in the next one. 
You've been listening to the 

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identity of the center podcast 
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identity at the center.com.