You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is
the show that talks about identity and access management
and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
started. Welcome to the identity of the
center podcast. I'm Jeff.
And that's Jim. Hey, Jim hey, Jeff, how are you?
Oh, not so bad yourself. There's a little bit of a delay
there, I think. Oh, I don't know.
But I was going to say, just got back from vacation, so I'm not
100% tune back in, you know, is on vacation at the beach of
rocking the SPF, 50, basically, just short of white paint.
On my skin just to make sure I don't cook in that, you know,
Myrtle Beach sun, which is where I was.
But I saw talking to, you know, our old friend.
So he has part your name apart, my name Jeffrey MacDonald and
he's later skin than me and he's like, Jim.
You're such a rookie SPF 50. Come on, SPF 70 at a minimum.
So there's a rookie numbers you gotta pump those up.
Yeah, there you go. Good movie, quote there, Jeff.
Uh-huh. Yeah.
I'm I'm rather pasty myself. I have like, I have two stages
of tan either. I'm not tan or I'm burned.
There's like nothing in between. Yeah.
What's the skin peels off? There's plenty of untanned skin
below it right? Yeah, exactly.
So I try to, you know, I I try to stay indoors.
I don't like the heat, I don't like the humidity so the beach
is not really my favorite thing unless it is in a more, let's
call temperate climate. I'm not not about the hot sun,
I'll be under the I'll be Under the Umbrella, enjoying the ocean
breeze, and that's where you'll find me while the best part
about the trip to Myrtle Beach was, there's a concert going on,
the Carolina Country Music Fest, a lot of great acts and the ones
that I really wanted to see where I'd night.
So the sum is already down. The breeze has already coming in
it. The concert was pretty much
right on the beach so as fantastic, that's a cool setting
for a concert, I don't think I've ever been to a Beach
concert like a really legit Beach concert right before.
Which is unfortunate but I guess to each their own.
Hey man, I enjoyed it. So, plenty of Bud Light
available. That's not surprising one bit.
They probably sponsored it, right?
I think Coors Light may be sponsor it, because there are a
lot of people on stage, showing Coors Light and you know that
that Denver beer is pretty popular.
Hmm. Well, speaking of Denver, why
don't we get into our main topic today?
She's like laughing at us like how stupid we are as we start to
show off. But we're going to talk about a
about a topic that we've covered before, but it's time for an
update and to help us with that, we've got Julie Smith, she's the
executive director at the identity to find security.
Alliance. Welcome back, Julie.
Thanks Jeff. Jim, it's always a pleasure to
be here with you all so I appreciate it.
Feel The invitation, I got a little hesitancy there.
When you were kind of saying that I and the reason I get that
is because the mysterious way that I introduce our topic.
What we're going to be talking about is the 2022 Trends and
securing digital identities, which is something that we've
actually been doing episodes on this.
I guess this is maybe our second or maybe third time that we kind
of got around this. So the trends report has become
a trend into itself but before we get too far along.
Wrong. I want to make a note.
You are the current record holder for number of
appearances, on, on the podcast, use a zero fifth appearance.
You've been with us since episode 57 and then 88 and then
99 and then 140 and now this should be episode number 152.
I am. And I have to say that I'm a
little bit disappointed so far, and I'm hoping that episode 5 is
the is the is the lucky one? Where we get to finally hear
from Sly, the cat, Has been suspiciously quiet in previous
episodes makes me a little concerned Sly if you're out
there, make a noise. So we know that you're okay and
that you actually exist. I'll just leave it at that.
Julie. How about that?
He does exist and he might he might make an appearance this
time after after five episodes. It's I think it probably is time
but let's hope maybe he doesn't justify.
Despair the audience, but yeah. Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it. And I'm not sure exactly why I
have the honor of being here the most, maybe I maybe I reach out
to you the most or not. Sure exactly why that is, but
happy to have the reigning champion on her.
Well, I'm happy your judges and this is this has been like
definitely a mutual relationship.
We actually got to you and I got to actually meet for the first
time face to face at RSA a few weeks ago, we do the proverbial
fist bump and chatted on the corner outside and inside the W
Hotel there in San Francisco, which is very cool.
But yeah, I think, you know, we Jim and I like to have good
conversations, right? Identity.
And every time you're on, we have a good conversation around
it done and I think that's what we're gonna do today.
So no pressure We had nothing whatsoever, but it was great
meeting. You face to face and Gem, you
were sorely missed last week at RSA, although God only knows
what you might have taken home as apparently.
A lot of people that wear out in San Francisco, last week did so
be thankful that you weren't there and sounds like you were
having a lot more fun and a beach anyway.
So I did enjoy the beach but you know one thing I wanted to ask
you your the other way to look at it is that you're the biggest
repeat offender in. Terms of being on the show maybe
you just for the audience to sake so they don't have to go
back. Jeff did a great job of talking
about all the different episodes you're on but in case they're
not familiar with idea. Say, just kind of give us a
summary elevator pitch. What is idea?
Say, yeah, sure. So the idea say our identity to
find security Alliance, some people even call us.
It's a which always makes me Flinch a little bit but we are a
an organization, a non-profit. Stop it.
I call this a trade Association focused on creating resources
and help organizations reduce the risk of an identity relating
breach. So all of our content is freely
available on our website, it's all vendor-neutral.
We have if you incorporate all of our members, we have over 40
members, who participate, and creating content writing blogs
hosting webinars, or I host the webinars.
They Provide the expert, the expert perspectives.
And so, you know, we're really all about educating
organizations on how they secure their digital identities.
So membership wise, you know, I talked about more than 40 30 of
those our vendor members but we also have membership
opportunities for and practitioners or end end users
if you will, in the form of contributor memberships as well
as corporate memberships. So that's really for individuals
who are out there, living in the trenches, in their security
teams and, you know, trying to drive identity security in their
organizations. And they have an opportunity to
come and network with their peers, learn from an amazing
group of experts. In this space can get CPE
credits towards their cissp certification and and thought
leaders. We have a great platform for
people if they're looking to become a thought leader in the
space as well. So, there's lots of benefits to
being part of the organization and really The primary driver I
think, is to make an impact and give back to the community.
Yeah, I would definitely encourage folks to check out
that contributor membership because I think it is an
opportunity to be part of the identity Community.
I think a lot of people have great ideas out there.
And for the most part, this is how Jim and I contribute is we
do this stupid podcast every week.
Other people like to write blogs other people like to do
webinars, write or speak at conferences or whatever.
Maybe this is another opportunity for people to get
involved in this space and there is plenty of room for people to
give back and contribute. So Very cool.
I think the other thing that that hasn't been mentioned is
identity management day. That's something that got
started. And know, we've had a few
different conversations around that over the years.
I think this was the second annual identity management day
earlier earlier this year, but your organization also kind of
partnered up with it, was at the national cyber security Alliance
as well to it was. Yeah, about that.
Yeah, and yeah. So back to your, my
participation five times on the on the podcast.
So at least two of those where identity management.
Okay. So last April 12th was our
second annual identity management day.
We had a great virtual conference where we had five
sessions and 25, I think speakers talking about all
things identity from you know, how do we prevent identity
related attacks today to what's the future of identity look
like. So that's that is an important
one and I think a couple of those guest spots on your
podcast we're also related to our research which is another
Main component, one of the things we're going to talk about
today but we've we've published now for different research
reports and to your point. Jeff, this will be the second
specific Trends report although we'd kind of over the years
pulled questions from other reports into this one.
With the idea that maybe over time we become the Verizon data
breach investigations report very aspirational obviously but
just that's Focus very specifically. if eclis on
identity related breaches and all things around bringing
identity and security teams together Well the key to
everything is consistency. That's how we've grown to be
this multi-million listener, podcasts over the last several
years. So you definitely being
consistent important part of that you mentioned the future
and let's talk about sort of, you know, I guess the presence
and some of the trends we've seen around this report.
The 2022 Trends is carrying digital identities I guess,
before we start to get into some of the findings.
You mentioned this is the second time that it's come out for
kicking down to fourth wall. Here we're recording this on
Monday, June 20th but this I won't actually go live until
next Monday. By the time I got around to be
able to edit it, but I believe the report comes out.
This Wednesday was a June 20 seconds.
Is that right correct? Yep.
It's it'll put be published on Wednesday the full report.
Hopefully you'll see a number of Articles and different
perspectives on the results of the survey and its research,
right? So the data is what the data is
and we hope that lots of different organizations whether
they're in the media space or member companies or other
organizations who are interested in the data that we're
publishing provide their commentary, their perspectives
on it. Use the data in the report to
support you know product releases and just perspectives
on the on the industry as a whole.
So you know, it's really research that we conduct kind of
keeping a tech keeping tabs on these. the trends and securing
digital identities and and its data that's really available for
interpretation by the broader can So who responds to this?
I guess Ken to kind of level set.
So people know where this data is coming from.
Is it coming from companies as a coming?
From individuals, it coming from both, I guess, what, what sort
of the typical respondent look like, yeah, so it is coming from
individuals inside sort of end user companies across a range of
Industries Financial Services, Healthcare technology employees
over. And so it is really a view into
the Enterprise, its it security and identity professionals.
And so they have responsibility for identity and identity
security in some way shape or form, we had over 500
respondents to the survey. It's actually conducted by an
organization. We've worked with for all of our
research approach called dimensional research and they
that, you know, part of the value that they provide, And as
they do have a group of people that are open to taking these
kinds of surveys. So it's, yeah, it's a good group
and they fill it out wearing their company hats.
And although this year, we did at sneak in a couple of
questions to get their own personal perspectives around,
password security and that kind of thing.
So but otherwise they are speaking on behalf of
practitioner inside an organization.
So I think that is interesting taking that practitioner
response because sometimes, you know, I think in the identity
industry sometimes we kind of see it through our own lens of.
Well, this is the way it should be and you know how we would
want to see it done, but that doesn't always match up with the
real world and I was actually getting done.
So I always liked research like this, that is, you know, taking
real world people and asking them real world questions and
what are the challenges and things are coming out and it
leads me to my next question which is you know, based on Tan
this report that's going to be coming out.
Is there what was the most interesting thing or finding
that you think came out of it? Yeah I think this review this
year's report you we continue to ask the question every year
obviously because it's a trend report about or whether
organization is experience and identity related breach.
And and in this year the number was 84%.
I compared to last year 79 percent of the time frames are a
little bit different this year. We asked have you an experience?
And identity related breach in the last year and the last
report we asked in about a two-year timeframe.
So a little bit of a difference just in terms of the timeframe
but 84% of those organizations over 79 last year and we also
asked could this breach have been prevented or minimized and
we asked specifically about what we would consider some Basic
identity and access management capabilities as well as the
security outcomes that we recommend. 96% said, that that
the breach could have been prevented or minimized and the
leading Contender was MFA. So, you know, had an
organization implemented MFA for all of their users than that.
Breach would have been prevented.
And my face is one of those things we've been talking about
or I think Very long time and has been a recommendation coming
out of the best practices organizations for quite some
time. So if there's just a couple of
things in the report that you'll see that are just the basics and
you know, these breeches that end up being relatively
significant could have been prevented had some of these
Technologies and capabilities been implemented.
Yeah. Want to show that 84% identity
breaches to me that Was an alarming statistic but this
other alarming statistic that I want to point to that was in the
report. What I read that I was like,
there's no, it's pretty obvious. Why this is happening.
So it was 51 percent of organizations typically remove
access for former employee within a day.
But only twenty twenty six percent always do that.
To me, is an alarming statistic, like, are you kidding me?
20% percent of organizations. That they consistently remove
access within a day. That's, that's not even close to
high enough. Now, I have my thoughts on maybe
why that is, but I'd love to hear what your thoughts are and
also, you know, throw it over to Jeff for his comments and you
know, what do you believe? Lisa.
Such a low number in that area. Yeah, I from my perspective,
it's all about automation. We, I know you guys have had 10
Jones on the, on the show. At least once and he talks about
automation just in general is one of the key ways that a lot
of our problems could be solved. But you think about it the
number of applications that and any given employee has access to
on it on a daily basis to do their job if they decide to
leave the organization or they change roles, probably don't
know what applications that That employee has access to much
less, being able to remove permissions from one place and
have it replicate across all the application.
So I think it's just a Time intensive exercise.
Then in a lot of people, a lot of organizations have it
implemented automation to make that easy.
That's my, that's my perspective.
Jeff. What are your thoughts?
I I agree with Julie, I think this is not a situation where
people don't want to do the right things.
I think it's a lack of awareness that even these accounts exist,
you know, removing access from all of the different places that
a person might have access to, in an organization, the large,
the organization, the harder that becomes, the more
decentralized, the organization when it comes to Identity and
access management as either a program or provisioning,
whatever it might be, also May comes much more.
Difficult. I didn't want to get into this,
but now I feel like I have to because this has affected me
literally in the real world today.
If you've been following the show, you know, that I am in the
process of moving across state lines, moving from Chicago,
Illinois area, to North Carolina.
And, of course, anybody who's purchased a home knows that
you're working with lawyers and mortgage companies and Realtors,
and a whole bunch of things. I was supposed to close on my
house, this Wednesday. The 20 seconds that is not
happening because of an identity and access management Problem by
a combination of the mortgage company.
I'm working with and an individual within a law firm and
access not being removed from another Law Firm that this
individual used to work for that caused.
A whole bunch of issues with data going to the wrong law
firm, mine, this case, All because this person's access was
not removed when she transferred from one Law Firm to another Law
Firm. So that I am a living world
example of, you know, now might not be, this is a first world
problem. So I'm not gonna, you know, moan
and whine and complain about it too much, but a supposed to
close on Wednesday. And now I'm scrambling to close
by Friday so that I'm not homeless over the weekend and in
North Carolina, waiting for waiting for papers to sign.
So, I do, I believe this number. Yes, absolutely.
As I've now seen in the real world and it is affecting my
life. Plus, I told you, I don't think
homelessness is a first world problem but okay, but yeah, the
good story, you know, kind of I think I have a pessimistic and
an optimistic view of this. My pessimistic view is what you
brought the key point there, jeff, which is removing all
access when you think about, About.
Removing all when you think about the 26 percent of
organizations that do remove people in within one day, it's
probably not all access. It's probably active directory
account and the person responding to the survey feels
confident that removing active directory, removes quote-unquote
all access. The reality of it is most
organizations have you know many many applications that are not
covered just by the active directory account.
The, the optimistic or the alternative view to this is I
think Julie's right? In terms of automation, I think,
you know, there are a lot of organizations that are just
under invested. I am and some that are smaller
organizations, that it's not that they're appropriately,
invested their underinvested because this is becoming such an
important area, but they might have one or two it people and
they're doing everything from, you know, Cloning laptops and
supporting phones and doing email and doing, oh yeah, doing
identity and access management as well.
So I think that could have a big impact in terms of driving down
this, this number as well. But you know, even the 26 if you
only think the pessimistic view it's even the 26 percent number
could potentially be inflated but I did want to ask Julie
another question which was Another statistic that I was
looking at was around risky Behavior, being reduced, when
Executives put focus on identity security, a lot of the the focus
was around, you know, if the executive speak publicly to
employees about password security, but also a statistic
about it security stakeholders admitting to risky security
Behavior. So I wondered if Add a little
bit of flavor to each of those areas.
Yeah sure. So that question kind of came
out of a research report that we did.
I think I talked about it already, the stakeholder
perspective which we kind of tied into the line of business
user and how, you know, how to does identity and access
management affect them and and one of the things we ask that
line of business group and it was really kind of a question
that we put in there. Just because we thought it might
be interesting to get some perspective on just how, how,
well does the average user protect their corporate
passwords. And so we asked a list of
provide a list of risky, behaviors things like you have
you shared passwords through slack or Microsoft teams, do you
reuse passwords be written passwords down on a sticky note,
you know, just just things that I think we would all consider.
Poor secure, password hygiene. But yet, we probably all do them
too. And we thought it'd be
interesting to try and get at this sort of what's the state
prevention of identity related breaches as it relates to
culture and human behaviors and protecting passwords right at
times. Back to the idea, a lot of times
it's a cliche that gets thrown around a lot.
Is that people are the weakest link in the security chain.
And so we wanted to try and tap into that as well as to tap into
the idea that it's not just about security technology, but
it's also about just creating a security-minded culture within
an organization. So that's really where the
question came from. So we pulled the question
forward from one of the previous research reports, and we wanted
to ask specifically it security. identity people about how well
they protect their passwords and so what we found is I think
forty forty percent of them said oh you know we never we never
displaying eighties bad behaviors versus I think it was
in the 30s for line of business folks and then again kind of
getting at this culture and security mindedness within an
organization we thought well is there any any way that At How
would, how would a culture evolved.
And one way that it might have all this through leadership
support protecting passwords. And so, we asked a question
around, what's do Executives speak about password, security
in your organization? And who is the highest level
Executives? So is it, is it the board level?
Is it senior Executives? Is it security Executives?
Is that, you know, See us security leadership.
And what we found is that and then how do those two things
correlate, right? So, do people take better care
of their passwords? If security leadership is
talking about how important it is in their organization from an
overall security perspective. And we found that 72% of the eye
of the respondents to this survey said that they do take
better care of Their passwords when an executive is talking
about it. So it's just kind of trying to
get it this you know just culture affect their individual
behavior and I think the answer is yes so that was sort of
really the you know, really the ankle that we took that that the
state of prevention in 2022 is not necessarily always tied to
technology and expertise in the organization but it also is tied
to behaviors. And culture, and we did ask some
questions around training as well.
So, you know, kind of looking at it from both of those
perspectives and, and maybe a little bit.
Removing the idea, that, that users are your our primary
attack vector. And turning that into users,
could be a primary line of defense.
Yes, I find that research, really your kind of reinforces
other research that I've seen that.
Yes, continuing to drive, security, awareness the
organization. And it's not a one-time thing.
You have to repeatedly, kind of get the message out and make
sure that people understand, you know that it's it's it's
something that you need to be aware of it all times.
I want to ask one more question on the report and that was
around something I found interesting and timely Russia
and Ukraine. So there were a couple of
questions around it and the one that that I guess struck my eye
the most What was the question about?
And this is what the question was.
Has the recent russia-ukraine crisis, increased visibility of
your company's identity and security activities among non
technology leadership and I'm looking at this pie chart and it
tells me that two-thirds of your respondents said yes there was
some increase. Now it might have been a
mightier increase might have a significant increase maybe
somewhere in between but I look at this and say, okay clearly
there has been some impact on the visibility of You know, are
weak properly protected. Do we have the proper identity
security in place, right? Those are some things, I guess.
Any, any color you want to add to that or are my findings?
Kind of, jiving, with will kind of what you're thinking, as
well? Or am?
I totally crazy? I would align with you, but I
will tell you that, you know, this is data right as my
researcher pounds into me. This is data and, you know, you
present the data and then people form their own Our own opinions
from it or own perspectives and they kind of look at it through
their own lens. I, you know, as part of our
process for getting the word out about this risk report, we've
been doing pitching to the press and I did have one one request
that came back through from a publication that journalist it's
going to write an article for us which is fantastic.
And their perspective was, wow, it doesn't really seem at all,
like there's been And increase awareness but or, you know,
increase visibility or increased budget because the Ukraine
Russia Khan which I thought was really interesting, right?
So just go, just goes to say that we all kind of, I guess
it's back to the is the dress gold and white or is it, it was
it blue and white or whatever. Right?
The same dress and everybody saw it a little bit differently.
And that's exactly how it is with data.
So, like, um, yeah, well, here's how we will cook Tommy Boy,
quote for you, a simple. No would have been sufficient,
got to throw the movie quotes and where appropriate.
So Julie, last last week's episode, we asked a group of
identi Rowdy, what the differences between digital
identity and identity and access management.
Those two terms, I you titled this report 2022 Trends in
securing digital identities. So this is Didn't get your
answers part of that last episode.
I'm going to pose that question. But you on the spot posed that
question to you. Now, what's the difference
between digital identity and identity and access management?
And keep in mind? Three had seven different
answers for seven different people.
Yeah, nobody has answered this identical yet.
So this is your chance to give your flavor to it.
Well, I'm afraid to answer from Jeff because it's going to be
he's going to want just a very concise answer, so I will I'll
say this floor is yours. Yeah, so I think I did a digital
identity as the thing, the identity, the attributes, you
know, maybe it's the Biometrics associated with.
But it's the thing that we're protecting and managing and
validating, right? And then identity and access
management, we actually would suggest.
And we have a Blog, I hear the talks about it, that identity
and access management is of all to identity security because
it's kind of gone. And really access management and
its identity security is about getting to a trusted identity
and you know, whether it's validating and on the front
front end, it's, you know, protecting it through
authentication and and you know, maybe offers authorization and
then that's just the management of it.
Some of the things we talked about around D provisioning, so
that's really identity. Security is an evolution of
identity and access management and then in our world, identity
Define security is taking that trusted identity.
Adding some context to it and using that combination of things
to protect resources. So that's my answer.
I think it's a good one. I think now we have eight
different answers. I think this is really
interesting from a just, I guess the psychological aspect of
identity and access management is that even people who are in
the identity space, can't necessarily agree on the
terminology and the definitions. And I think that's actually
okay, I'm fine with that because I think we do have different
perspectives that we bring to it.
Alright, let's go ahead and start to wrap things up because
I know Julie you been super generous or time.
About to hit identify verse. I will just say again.
Congratulations on his research. It is awesome stuff.
I love reading it. I'd like to also cite it and
some of my conversations that I have with other folks in
industry or customers or clients.
I would certainly encourage people who haven't checked it
out already. Go to the identity defines curry
Alliance website, IDs Alliance dot-org, the research will be
there and definitely want people to check it out.
But it wouldn't be an identity, the center episode without
getting into something. Being silly /.
Stupid at the end. What is your favorite comedian
or style of Comedy? Mmm, so I have a new favorite
comedian and I was in New York City a couple weekends ago and
we went to the Comedy Cellar. And somewhat, I think actually a
couple of familiar faces came on the stage, which was amazingly
cool. But one of them was a guy that I
have seen in billions. I don't know if you guys watch
the show billions on HBO, the guy by the name of Mike
Birbiglia, which I kind of knew but didn't really know that he
was a stand-up comedian and it turns out he is very popular
stand-up comedian and he's my new favorite comedian.
He is, I have thought a lot about this.
I kind of think he's the clean version of Dave Chappelle and I
love Dave Chappelle, because I think he has is an amazing
Storyteller. His topics are a little bit
interesting and I think Mike Birbiglia is the same way.
He just, he is an amazing. Storyteller.
He has an interesting way of kind of weaving things together
and I'm a fan. I've been binge-watching and
maybe watch a couple episodes twice of his Netflix series on,
you know, stand-up comedy series.
So he's my new favorite comedian and I just love his storytelling
style and it's, he's fantastic. That's a good pick.
I like microvilli a lot. I'm a big fan of Comedy.
And he is definitely up there, I think you're totally right.
He's a great Storyteller. I think that's what separates a
lot of. You know, the I guess the good
folks who are good at. Comedy stand-up specifically is
being will tell that story. I'm just curious.
I think for people who aren't familiar Comedy Central in New
York City is pretty legendary comedy club that a lot of
big-name comics will go to and sometimes they sort of drop in
unannounced even and kind of, you know, you might go there to
say one Act and all of a sudden you're seeing two or three other
people who are working out material and you're able to kind
of kind of peek behind the curtain.
I'm curious. Who did you see anyone else
there? Besides Michael be good from a
name recognition. Yeah well there I think there
were five Comedians and I'm not going to get all their names
right? Maybe sex actually I thought and
see I mean it started out in the MC was fantastic and were like,
wow, okay, this guy's great like who else is coming on?
They all had, it was funny because they all had certain
that likes. Chips in one way or another Ryan
Hamilton. I don't know if you know that
name, I think he's on, he's on Netflix, he was there Chris De
Stefano which apparently he is. He was the headliner.
He's not somebody that I know. But the, you know, the younger
and set that we are with couple 20 mid, 20 year, olds were like,
oh my gosh, she's the best, he was the headliner.
And yeah, the other the other names Escape me at this point
but it we just went into a cold and had tickets and, you know,
just all of a sudden these fantastic comedians, every
single one of them came on stage so it was very cool.
That's awesome. I think that's actually a bucket
was cited. For me is, I've never been able
to hit a venue like that. Go see comedians destefano's a
good one. He's like a New York Comic.
She's kind of well-known and sort of that space.
And you'll find that there's like East Coast West Coast, you
know, kind of circles of Comedians and things like that.
Jim. How about yourself?
Who's your favorite comedian or do you have a favorite style of
Comedy? So it's interesting when we,
when I first heard this question, the the name Richard
Pryor popped into my head. I've really liked some of those
old comedy routines because that the further you go back in 70s
and 80s and stuff, every time you are going, oh my God, that's
so wrong. You know, it's and you know you
would definitely get Sold it today's world.
So, you know, even as you move through, like I love, you know,
Chris Rock. I love Chappelle, I mean, all
those comedians to me, or fantastic, but I don't only love
like the outrageous and I love like Seinfeld.
I love Bob Newhart like that dry, you know, sarcastic comedy.
And I also love like, What would you call like Saturday Night
Live and In Living Color and like, Schedule C schedule?
Yeah. Yeah.
Like sketch basically. Yeah.
Yes. Catch and us watching again, the
other day. Remember, I brought it up to
you. Is that ship at the Chappelle
show where he had, you know, Rick James and was Eddie
Murphy's brother. Oh my God, that's like one of
the funniest things that really Murphy nonce.
Yep. Charlie Murphy.
Charlie Murphy Yeah. Hilarious.
So anybody who has a scene that skid before go to YouTube and
search for Rick James. Charlie Murphy.
You'll cry. Your eyes out.
Yeah. It's a good Chappelle Show bed
for sure. I, you know, there are so many
good Comedians and I've been fortunate enough to hear a lot
of a lot of good material. I don't know if I could narrow
it down to one. I think I go in phases.
So like right now what I've been listening to a lot of is Anthony
Jeselnik and And Daniel Tosh for some reason keeps coming up but
there's also Patton Oswalt who is a brilliant stand-up.
Most people kind of may not be familiar with the stand up
because they see him in Marvel. Kind of things and TV stuff.
For big lie is good. If you're really like comedy.
I think one of my favorite things of all time is it was a
movie, but it's really just two hours of stand up.
And it's the original Kings of Comedy and, you know, I had
Steve Harvey. Bernie Mac.
Trying to think where the other folks were, but I laughed my
you-know-what off for a good solid, two hours.
I actually saw it in the theater and it was so good.
It was so funny. Bernie Mac's stand up, you know,
as part of the original Kings of Comedy is in my mind, one of the
most legendary performances, I think he absolutely nailed it
and it was fantastic, but there's been so many good ones.
It's hard for me too hard for you to pick one because I think
I'd enjoy them all and there's so many different styles.
Giles comes to it. But yeah, I guess I don't think
I'm like laughing so hard. I'm crying.
And I'm also feeling guilty for laughing at what he just said.
Well, I think it's part of the young that I think that's
Community. I think.
I mean, I think that's part of Comedy.
Right. I think it's sometimes it's
personal. Sometimes, it's raw.
Sometimes it's hitting on Raw nerves within sort of the public
Consciousness, but being able to make light of it or joke about
it, right? I think, you know, I'm Perfect
one to make jokes at my own expense expense, obviously, so
so yeah, yeah. But at the end of the day, you
know, there's nothing better than just like a really awesome
belly laugh, right. I mean, that's, there's just
like, I don't know if feeds the soul, I think so it's a very
subjective, but I'm totally with you.
It's like, you know, there is comedy out there for anybody.
Another good one is Ronny Chang. If he's from Legacy from The
Daily Show, But he has a stand up, his earlier, stand up for my
mistakes, like 2016, or 2017 is on Netflix, highly recommended,
he has a great bit about Amazon Prime that my wife and I had
been quoting at each other for the last two weeks since we sat
down and watched it. But that's another good one.
Who was the guy that was? I know you probably want to wrap
it up a time and ask you this question, who was the guy?
That was a co-writer with Dave on the Dave Chappelle Show.
He has a series of Netflix specials to that are super
funny. Brennan, maybe in since last
name I think he is very funny. Deal Brennan.
Yeah. Emil Brandt.
He's a good one. Yes.
Yeah. I think he's on.
You'll see murder once in a while, on Comedy Central.
Yeah, it's interesting to see, you know, some of these
comedians who are they might be stand up.
They might be kind of like a writer on a show like Conan
O'Brien's, you know, he's so I guess I'm going to consider him
a stand-up comedian. But you know, he's obviously
performer but he used to write for right The Simpsons, right?
And he was on Saturday Night Live as a writer.
I things like that is interesting to see some of these
folks kind of pull around. John Mulaney is another example
or Bill. Hader, Bill, hader's Stephane on
Saturday Night Live. I think is one of the funniest
things ever. And if you know, the back story
behind it, the fact that so John Mulaney and Bill Hader would
write, would write the skit Bill Hader would perform it, but John
Mulaney would sneak And new things that Bill Hader would
read for the first time on air. Whenever if you ever Google
Stephane and Saturday Night Live, he can never hold it
together because he's literally reading the cue cards and seeing
it for the first time. What are you supposed to say?
And, you know, maybe not necessarily truly safe for work,
maybe a little bit PG-13 sometimes but it was on Saturday
Night Live. So it's probably okay.
But I think that is also one of the most hilarious.
Like, B ever is, is the whole Stephane thing, The Saga. over
the course of the years that that took That's where is I
never heard that story. I actually just bought tickets
to go. See, John Mulaney, he's on tour
now. Well he's gonna see him in
October. Yeah, he said, we're trying to
wrap up anyway, happy to share her story because John Mulaney
has a as a bit called the salt and pepper Diner, or something
like that. And and basically the story is
he went to have lunch with a friend and they the the diner he
was at had a jukebox and it was three plays for a dollar, or
something like that. And and so they put in like No
three or four bucks and they had like twenty one place.
And the whole bit was they played like seven or eight.
What's what's new pussycat by? Whose it seems that I can
release things at the moment but it's a, it's a famous song.
Neil Diamond, I think something like that and they played it
eight like seven or eight times in a row.
Just to watch what people did in the diner and people are
freaking out like, oh, it can't be that again.
And then, oh, it's Tom Jones. That's what was Tom Jones.
And then they played, It's Not Unusual by Tom Jones once and
then they started playing more. What's new pussycat spy, Tom
Jones and the whole the whole thing, the whole bed is very
funny. I'm not doing it justice here
but I'm only bring it up because I got to do that bit in real
life. A few weeks ago, we went to a
restaurant, they had one of those Touch Tunes where you can
like control the Jukebox through an app.
So I spent I'm I am proud and ashamed.
To say this, I spent $18 to buy enough tokens to be able to
play. What's new pussycat seven
different times. And I will tell you that I got
exactly the same reaction from the bit.
As I did an in real life, as what happened in the bit, it was
amazing. An awesome and I'm happy, I was
finally able to pull it off. So I so that tells you that I
spend my money well and wisely and my time well and wisely as
well. So yeah that's what happened.
Alright. Now let's go ahead and wrap
things up because I think I've totally derailed this
conversation and I will continue talking for comedy for hours on
end. Julie, thank you so much for
being with us. You can find the report it'll be
up on the IDS Alliance websites, starting June 22nd.
So really by the time people listen to this, it will be
available any other things that you want to get out there for
folks who are listening Julie before we wrap it up.
Um, I don't think so. Anyway, usual pitches check out
our website. We got A lot of vendor-neutral
resources everything is freely available.
There's cases where I might ask you for your contact info
otherwise you know check it out. There's there's a lot of good
stuff out there as well as the research report that that will
be publishing on Wednesday. Very cool.
How about Jim yourself? Any final thoughts for this
week? Do it.
Ask everybody to support the idea say and whatever way you
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If you're if you work for a company in the digital identity
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plenty of the plug kind of voices and spaces for this.
Yeah, IDs Alliance dot-org. All right, we'll go ahead and
wrap it up this week we do have at some point we'll reconnect on
our weekly live stream at idea. See a that live in the meantime
we've got the YouTube replays out there, we're on the web
identities. Enter.com.
We're on Twitter at Heidi as see podcasts, and fingers crossed.
This will actually be my last podcast in the Chicago area.
So the next time we talk most likely, I will be in North
Carolina. We will see if companies get
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So all right with that. Thanks everybody for listening
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