1 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:10,800 This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with I 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:18,000 am this is the go-to podcast. Now your host Jim McDonald and 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,200 Jeff Steadman welcome to the identity of Center podcast I'm 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,100 Jeff and that's Jimmy jump. Hey Jeff, how are you? 5 00:00:25,100 --> 00:00:26,900 I'm pretty darn good, how are you? 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,900 Fantastic man. Were sitting here doing a Live 7 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:35,800 studio audience, recording at identifiers 2023, a Wandering 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,600 studio audience with people kind of coming through the hallway 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,600 here. Hey, that's kind of what we hope 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,100 for, right, right. It was that we would have people 11 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:48,500 kind of like poke their head in yeah, they're literally Four or 12 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:51,600 five people watching sort of and having conversations around us, 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,500 but we'll have people dropping in, as we're kind of going 14 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:56,100 through here. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 15 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:58,900 And I don't know if you noticed this, but on my badge, it says, 16 00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:03,200 press / analyst, so does, what do you say mine, too. 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,000 Yeah. So, you know, another thing was 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,300 when they checked in, they had various, what do you call it 19 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:11,600 that you put on the bottom of your badge? 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,100 They're like little flags that hang off the bottom. 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,400 Yeah, it's like a little flyer seen something like first-timers 22 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,900 speakers and stuff. You just take the ones you 23 00:01:18,900 --> 00:01:20,300 wanted. Oh really that? 24 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:22,100 Look like it. We collect them like Pokemon. 25 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:25,100 I didn't take one first time speaker something like that. 26 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:28,000 Yeah, right. Exactly why I definitely give a 27 00:01:28,008 --> 00:01:30,700 shout-out to the CRA because they have definitely hooked us 28 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:32,600 up here. I'm sitting here we've got like 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,000 this little table and chairs set up in the hallway. 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,900 Just outside the Expo and between the keynote. 31 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:40,200 Great location. Ian is waiting in the wings have 32 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,000 a seat. Ian, we're ready to go. 33 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:44,000 We're already recording, we're doing it live. 34 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:48,500 There's like a I don't know what we call it like some Nurse, I'm 35 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:50,900 kind of electric behind us. They has, like, our logo on it. 36 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:54,000 We showed up as like media sponsors, which is very cool. 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,800 So, shout out to CRA for. He'll get us all this up. 38 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,100 Wendy was amazing. So definitely think you to wind 39 00:01:59,100 --> 00:01:59,600 when. Yeah. 40 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:00,700 Where are your friends of the show? 41 00:02:00,700 --> 00:02:04,500 Stopped by saw that that sign out there and said well you guys 42 00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:07,700 are big time now, you know, some definitely feel that way. 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,900 Yeah, I don't know what we are but it is something so, Ian, 44 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:13,500 Glaser has joined us. Welcome. 45 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,300 Hello gentlemen. I know that you've been setting 46 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:18,700 the scene for the homeless nur's how we About Jim suit. 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,700 No, we have not feel really emotional time. 48 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:24,400 Yes, right. It is, it is absolutely lovely. 49 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,800 Thanks, absolutely love. How would you describe that 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,500 Colour? Baby? 51 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:32,800 Blue, sky blue. I think it's more sky but like 52 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:35,500 you know there's people that have like super tasters and 53 00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:37,600 super smells like thinking delineate between the and 54 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,900 there's the same thing with color. 55 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,300 I am not one of those people. So like I'm gonna go back to I 56 00:02:41,308 --> 00:02:45,100 don't know the Crayola 64 box of like he's blue, it's just blue. 57 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,100 You're like you know because I'm a wd you to look at It's blue. 58 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:51,300 No, it's actually quite lovely. Yes, I'm jealous and the shoes. 59 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,100 Well, I was thinking uses your as you are now as your. 60 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:59,300 I don't think it's Azure or as you were whatever is that like a 61 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:01,700 darker blue? I think you said of Sky Blues as 62 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:03,700 your it would. I have to like pay you like 63 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:11,800 every time I see it Jim suiter-ocuto through the 64 00:03:11,808 --> 00:03:13,300 pandemic. When's the last time you handled 65 00:03:13,300 --> 00:03:15,700 cash, but that's an entirely different episode cash is over. 66 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:17,700 Do you got a stalker behind you? That David Lee. 67 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,700 I'm right behind you. David doesn't know that we're 68 00:03:19,700 --> 00:03:21,800 recording the identity. Joe Knows. 69 00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:29,100 So guys, holy have you been in? I Justice, I walk out of the, 70 00:03:29,100 --> 00:03:32,400 the show floor. And all I keep coming back to 71 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,500 you is Seinfeld who are all these people? 72 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,900 There are so first up, there's just a lot of attendees. 73 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,500 Awesome, great Vibe. But the number of companies were 74 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:48,700 I'm looking at going. I got no idea who you are, what 75 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:52,700 you do and that is awesome. That's cool, right? 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,200 That is super awesome. Same thing as a couple hours 77 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,200 ago, Lance Peterman. And Espen Bago we're doing 78 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:02,100 interior to Identity sort of Like The Perennial Ida Pro 79 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,700 section that we've done over the years study room, only, and I 80 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:09,800 just walked by and, like, people are out the door. 81 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,600 I was one of those. I was just, oh my God. 82 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,800 Like that's that's the point. Like, that's the point of what 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,899 we've been doing. Like that's just so awesome. 84 00:04:18,899 --> 00:04:23,500 So yeah, that's the biggest identifiers conference so far at 85 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:25,200 least that's what Andy said up on them. 86 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:27,800 Opening keynote, which I believe there's got. 87 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,800 Be, what couple thousands British, he's trustworthy 88 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,700 because you have an accent That's how you know, right. 89 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:32,900 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 90 00:04:33,900 --> 00:04:35,900 It's yeah, it's cool. I have not yet managed to the 91 00:04:35,907 --> 00:04:37,700 expo hall. So I'm looking forward to. 92 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:40,900 This is my favorite part about going to conferences is seeing 93 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:42,300 the stuff that I've never heard of. 94 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:46,700 That's the best part and I love the because what I'd love to 95 00:04:46,707 --> 00:04:50,100 hear for folks. I've never seen never met, don't 96 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,000 know what they do is the origin story of like okay, there had to 97 00:04:53,008 --> 00:04:56,600 have been something. You was the founder, you as the 98 00:04:56,608 --> 00:05:00,200 CTO or that funder that happened. 99 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:04,200 You're like, I see this and I gotta, I gotta scratch this 100 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,600 itch, right? There's got to be a way to do 101 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,600 something about this. I love to know some of these 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,800 origin stories of companies. I have never heard of and be 103 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,100 like, what was that story? Right? 104 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,400 Because some of those origin, stories are hilarious and 105 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,600 amazing. And you're like, this is how you 106 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,700 gotta do this. The number of people are like, 107 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,000 well, I started to do this and then I just got sucked into 108 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,300 identity. It's like yeah, welcome, that's 109 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:28,600 how most people got it. That's my, that's my theory is 110 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,500 most people didn't choose identity. 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,600 No chose them. Yes, especially of a certain age 112 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:39,100 if you're younger maybe but as a bowler hat I would love to in my 113 00:05:39,100 --> 00:05:42,600 career get to a point where I start talking to people to say 114 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:46,000 yeah I picked this. Mmm I picked this as a thing. 115 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000 I want to see my major in college. 116 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:50,700 Oh my God that's you're crazy man. 117 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,400 But that's what that's what Lance is trying to do and UNC 118 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,300 Charlotte and others have like that would be my gosh. 119 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,200 But just to hear someone say like, you know, you know I 120 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,700 worked at At the, it help desk in college and I was doing. 121 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:06,300 I was Manning the password reasons. 122 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:09,300 But like I learned about that and I'm like I want to get into 123 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:12,400 this thing so I don't know. It would be an awesome time to 124 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,400 start speaking to those people and I bet you they walk among us 125 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,700 silently, unbeknownst to us in various disguise. 126 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,700 I've been coming to anniversary while. 127 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,800 I think you have to how many identifiers and what's the 128 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,100 plural for identi versus is it? I is it. 129 00:06:31,100 --> 00:06:35,000 I don't oversee. I think every 10 identifiers is 130 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,800 measured as a CIS it's like a weird through Back measurement. 131 00:06:39,300 --> 00:06:47,500 I am pretty sure I've been to Eight or nine of them, something 132 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:48,700 like that. I don't. 133 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:51,000 So wait, this is the night, write this, I think so. 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,300 This is the night. Yeah, I think I've been to seven 135 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:56,700 because I missed the last order. This is the ninth for Andy. 136 00:06:56,700 --> 00:07:00,100 So I get a little confused here. I have been to almost all 137 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,700 identity versus assistances and many of the cloud identity 138 00:07:05,700 --> 00:07:08,900 Summits, but not all I missed like one or two. 139 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,500 So I've been to a couple It's safe to say I'm sorry. 140 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:15,300 That was a really long answer that if that's, so the answer is 141 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:16,500 nine. Yeah, yeah. 142 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:19,300 So it's probably fun. So, I'm looking around and we've 143 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:20,700 got some people who are kind of watching us. 144 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:22,700 I don't see any first-time Badgers. 145 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:25,600 So you guys have been to identify verse before 146 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:27,300 first-timer. They didn't give you a little 147 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:29,300 sticker. All right, we just chose not to. 148 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,700 Okay. No first time Self Service a 149 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:34,700 that's why I was telling you. Yeah, okay. 150 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,600 So who's been to identify this before? 151 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,300 No one all fresh fresh meat for identity? 152 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:45,200 Oh my goodness. What do you guys think so far? 153 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:48,400 They love it. It's great. 154 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:50,300 That isn't Gartner. Okay. 155 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:56,200 Well I have friends of guard. Also, try not to kill any more 156 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,800 thing is definitely different audio. 157 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Yeah sure. Yeah. 158 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,200 It's the doers in the idea of there being have there been 159 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,500 master classes. There was some today earlier 160 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:04,200 today. Yeah. 161 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,000 That seems to be the theme. Is that like there were for 162 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:09,900 everything was fall? Yeah, yeah. 163 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:13,500 Yeah, there are a lot of people walk around who can go as deep 164 00:08:13,500 --> 00:08:17,400 as you humanly want to go and then then some which is, you 165 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:24,900 know, great. Oh yeah, attack of the standards 166 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:26,800 part 2. They never left. 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:33,400 I like how the agenda goes from like 8:00 a.m. to 7:30 8:00. 168 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,299 It's like Jim Abbott observe its day one. 169 00:08:35,299 --> 00:08:37,799 So when you say, I like that, that's true. 170 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,100 I'm going to talk to you on Thursday. 171 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:40,799 See how you're like? No, no, I got it. 172 00:08:41,299 --> 00:08:44,200 I was being a little facetious. I'm wondering how many people 173 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:50,800 actually make it, make it where, from 8 to 80, well, it's Vegas. 174 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,900 And then time has no construct here. 175 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:56,200 It's you wake up and then you go to sleep. 176 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,500 The time is irrelevant. It's just what happened in 177 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:01,600 between and there's plenty of oxygen being pumped in from here 178 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,500 to every room. Yeah they have you guys you know 179 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:09,100 like the smartest you will ever be is walking into a conference 180 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:11,400 room because if you sit there for 23 hours carbon dioxide 181 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,400 builds up and you're just dumb as a stone by the end. 182 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,300 And so the whole model of like sitting in a big room with a 183 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,600 bunch of people like we're going to make a big decision. 184 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,700 It didn't look like no, that's a horrible idea. 185 00:09:20,700 --> 00:09:23,200 Make it up further than right, The Narrative of how you got to 186 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,200 it afterwards and it will sound amazing. 187 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,300 But otherwise no, it's a clown show. 188 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:29,400 Like Towards the end of it, same thing here, but one of the 189 00:09:29,408 --> 00:09:31,700 favorite things that I have so far noticed is some of the 190 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:33,800 conference rooms at least upstairs. 191 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,600 Yeah. Socially distant seating. 192 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:40,000 And I'm not sure who came up with the official measurement to 193 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,700 say that this chair is socially distant from another chair and 194 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:47,400 it's maybe three feet apart. So does that mean you're safer? 195 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,500 If you're not sitting that's emotionally distant. 196 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:51,700 Yeah, that okay. Then, socially distance is 197 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 actually a different measure really here to solve identity 198 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,700 problems. Exactly what our challenge is, 199 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:57,300 we're not going even try to get into that one. 200 00:09:57,500 --> 00:10:00,500 So Ian tell us about your sessions this week, you've got 201 00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:05,200 one called ceremonies ceremony's tomorrow at Eleven Forty in 202 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:08,400 Jupiter. Something to let's go to sounds 203 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,300 like a good number isn't that lost in space? 204 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,800 Oh interesting poll. Hmm, you're on the internet, you 205 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:15,600 tell us. Yeah. 206 00:10:16,300 --> 00:10:21,700 So I'm going to talk about actually had I known, I may have 207 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:25,200 modified my presentation before it seeing Andres keynote I'm 208 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,800 going to talk a little bit about recognition which is a pick that 209 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,600 came up. Time and time again, but at a 210 00:10:30,608 --> 00:10:33,400 cloud identity Summit, which was the precursor, for those who 211 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,100 haven't been to our Denver's, that offee Clannad energy Summit 212 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:38,300 was sort of the precursor to this. 213 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,300 An in Keystone Colorado. My good friend and mentor and 214 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:47,700 somewhat boss Bob Blakely gave a talk about recognition how one 215 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:53,300 recognizes someone else and it was super impactful for me and 216 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:55,900 I've been thinking about this and combined with the notion of 217 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,300 Ceremonies is something that can Cameron sort of brought to the 218 00:10:59,300 --> 00:11:03,400 conversation. I was like this seems like this 219 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,800 could be fun and then I had to write it and it was different. 220 00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:09,500 E fun. No. 221 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:12,600 I'm so it's a lot of its it is talking about how we do things 222 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,200 in the real in the analog world. How many things in the digital 223 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,100 world, and the difference between the two and why that 224 00:11:17,100 --> 00:11:19,500 matters and how we Shore up that distance. 225 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,000 Then on Thursday, I've the keynote panel and I have the 226 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:29,700 distinct honor of being on stage with some amazing people and 227 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:34,200 including someone who doesn't get a lot of air time in my own 228 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:36,800 backstory but a doctor Heather Hinton. 229 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:42,700 Who is the sizzle at Patriot? Me Heather was at IBM and we got 230 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:43,700 acquired. The company was that got 231 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:48,100 Acquired and IBM and she and others pulled me into working on 232 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,400 a patent for Federated provisioning. 233 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,500 It was meant to become WS provisioning. 234 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:56,200 There's gonna be a WS star for old-school. 235 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,400 This is basically angle bracket standards for provisioning And I 236 00:12:01,408 --> 00:12:02,700 knew nothing about the patent process. 237 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:04,700 I mean, I was a kid, like I knew nothing about Pata. 238 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,100 None of these things. Yeah. 239 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:09,000 But how cool is that to be involved with that at such an 240 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,500 early stage? I thought it was a lot of 241 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:13,800 paperwork in a pain in the ass back then because I was a dumb 242 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:14,600 kid. Probably still is. 243 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,500 But yeah, yeah. But I like the fact that I get 244 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:20,900 to be on stage with her now and just like anchor for that, we're 245 00:12:20,900 --> 00:12:23,300 going to talk about beat that concept of. 246 00:12:23,700 --> 00:12:25,500 Should there be a chief digital identity officer? 247 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,400 And I so I suggested this topic to a Andy into the, the 248 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,000 conference folks like great idea. 249 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,200 I don't like I probably have an opinion about this in the 250 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,900 project you vacillating about where I fall on it, whether it's 251 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:40,900 a good idea, it's not what should be in scope. 252 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:44,500 What should be out of scope, we only have a half an hour, we're 253 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:47,900 only gonna scratch the surface. I think it's really fun, it's an 254 00:12:47,900 --> 00:12:52,100 amazing panel and that's it. So just to, that's all people 255 00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:53,600 need to hear from. I called that one out, we 256 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,600 recorded a show Friday that went live yesterday in the real 257 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,300 world, and that was one of the such that I called out. 258 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:04,300 Because I think anything that gets identity up the food chain 259 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,600 within an organization is great because a lot of times were 260 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,800 buried beneath a sea. So or it or maybe audit or risk 261 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,600 or something like that. And anything that moves us up 262 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,300 gives us more power to be able to do the things that we know we 263 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:22,600 should be doing. And hopefully that gets the 264 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,600 recognition. I think the Undiscovered come 265 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,000 sort of country for us as an industry, is our relationship 266 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,400 with the chief digital officer and chief marketing officer. 267 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,800 And if we're part of the scissors organization, let's say 268 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,300 or even the seals organization would not gonna build the same 269 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:41,600 peer relationship with them. And so, this is the part where 270 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,800 I'm like, oh I think we really should have a relationship 271 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,200 because of all the touch points in a digital engagement Journey 272 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,000 that you would Want an identity practitioner riding just 273 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,900 alongside your digital person. But I don't know, I don't know. 274 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,700 So would you just so? Somebody said, all right. 275 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:04,100 Ian, you're our first Chief identity officer. 276 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:08,000 What do you do? Like, how do you describe that 277 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,500 to somebody? I think the way I would talk 278 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:19,700 about it is for, what do I have? Custodia little responsibility. 279 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:25,700 I am responsible for information about our employees, our 280 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:27,200 contractors and what they can do. 281 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:33,700 I am responsible for our customer information and how we 282 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:36,600 manage our customers and their engagement. 283 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:41,300 Now, that's where things get dicey, because does that mean Do 284 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:43,900 you want ERM? That's our customer data you're 285 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:45,700 working. Maybe that's where our a chart 286 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:48,100 like that boundary. Like, that's the part where I 287 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,300 get in tripped up, but I would talk about like I have a 288 00:14:50,308 --> 00:14:52,700 responsibility to these constituents and it's our 289 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:54,500 Workforce is our contractors, our customers. 290 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:57,100 I think that's how I would talk about it. 291 00:14:58,100 --> 00:15:00,500 No one's hiring me for the job yet, so, I don't know. 292 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:03,100 But like, if you know anyone's got ideas, I'm all yours. 293 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:06,600 Create the position that you want, is the way it manifested, 294 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,200 right? Is that Manifest Destiny is what 295 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,800 we're talking about here. We want to have, you know, Chief 296 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,200 I Any officer, oh Victoria who showed up in the crowd, he's 297 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,400 taking pictures of us. Course, he's tasting pictures 298 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,200 because he thinks we're an appetizer like nuts. 299 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:18,900 I got it online. Yeah. 300 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:21,700 Well Jeff, you know what I think is really cool is that we were 301 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:25,200 able to have Ian here on our kickoff show we're going to have 302 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,300 them on this own show. We're going to record that on 303 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:34,000 Thursday and we didn't touch on any of the topics that we're 304 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,100 going to talk about. No that's pretty awesome because 305 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,100 that's a thank you for the prompts and because now I have 306 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:42,000 to go and prep my answers for What the heck I'm going to say 307 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,000 on Thursday but guys have a great show. 308 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,900 You going to talk to like a billion people and I will see 309 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:54,700 you guys Thursday and answered in the hallways and you should 310 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:57,500 come to the seat backs. I can't hear you. 311 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,700 I think everyone to come on. Come on. 312 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:02,800 You should come sit here. Next is open mic nights on the 313 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,300 identity of the center of this gentleman. 314 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:07,200 Andrew Cameron has far more to say about everything that I do 315 00:16:07,300 --> 00:16:08,600 and everyone should go see his talking. 316 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,700 Japan went from GM. That's him. 317 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:16,200 I don't think we've met in person yet but what time very 318 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,700 prolific 10:30 Andrew Cameron. What room? 319 00:16:20,700 --> 00:16:23,900 Know? What room are you in in our 320 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:26,500 room? In a room sunroom and the place 321 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:29,500 in the area? Yeah, Jupiter see. 322 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:32,200 Now he's gonna tag on his badge and Purdue you've got alumni on 323 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,500 yours and you've got speakers. We discussed fan out, Andrews 324 00:16:35,500 --> 00:16:36,600 doing it right. You're supposed to be collect 325 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,700 these badges, like Pokemon and just stick them all over right 326 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,300 there, but you can't do a long night and first-timer because 327 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:43,500 then they can see each other outside. 328 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:46,400 That's a, that's the conversation starter with that. 329 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Yeah, okay. Thanks Ian talk to you later. 330 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:54,700 ER, so that was kind of cool thanks again for joining us as 331 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:58,200 he sachets away to his next engagement. 332 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,800 I want to talk about something that happened to me Monday 333 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,900 night. When I landed and I met my 334 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,800 brother, he picked me up from the airport. 335 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,599 We went to dinner someplace. Was it good? 336 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,200 It was amazing. And I don't know if enough 337 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:20,400 people not to so I've been coming to Vegas for 1516 year. 338 00:17:20,700 --> 00:17:24,500 Something long time, but I've never been further north than 339 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:29,400 the Wynn Casino or whatever it may be, and he took me to a 340 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,900 place called Ahern. It's a hotel like next to the 341 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:34,700 Strat. I don't know if he knows it 342 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,300 because it doesn't have a casino. 343 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:40,600 So it's not popular, but it's just the hotel and inside, 344 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,400 there's a restaurant, it's called atomo, Gourmet, Kitchen, 345 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,500 and Pizzeria. And I gotta tell you the best 346 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,900 chicken I've ever had in my entire life. 347 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:51,300 Fantastic. And It's just a little 348 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:54,100 restaurant. It's inside this hotel, Simon 349 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:58,900 casino on the Strip. So that's my Spanish chicken. 350 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:02,200 You've ever had no eyes and my chick on the Strip, on the Vegas 351 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,500 Strip, on the Vegas Strip. It was, it was at the Ahern 352 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:06,600 Hotel. Have you ever heard of the 353 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,100 Ahern? We have a mystery guest who's 354 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:12,800 joined us on the mic and screwed up it just a little bit closer, 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,600 or if we can kind of figure it out. 356 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,600 Yeah. Well we'll do that. 357 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,200 We're all doing it live. Just like that good. 358 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,400 Yeah, that's fine. And yeah. 359 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,000 So have you ever heard of the Ahern? 360 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,200 Yeah. Okay. 361 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,400 Nobody has and could tell because there's nobody in it and 362 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,500 there's no casino but it has this amazing restaurant. 363 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,500 So I'm encouraging people get out, try Autumn. 364 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:35,900 Oh, they're not sponsoring, I don't separate podcast. 365 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,100 Yeah, that really good chicken and you know when I say I'm good 366 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:41,400 chicken wow. What is your favorite food? 367 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,100 Chicken and waffles is like my thing. 368 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:46,200 So whenever we travel I try to find the best chicken waffles so 369 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,200 far the reigning Champion is actually at the Venetian. 370 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,200 Thursday night, I'm going to be over at Yardbird before we do, 371 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,400 karaoke getting Chicken and Waffles because that's my jam 372 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,200 but this was world class for sure. 373 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:04,300 And so you can of are dropping. Yes, I don't know if we can use 374 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,000 names. Protect protect the guilty and 375 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,000 or innocence can we just call your mystery guest? 376 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,600 So we know. Listen, I just happened to be 377 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,500 walking by. Yeah guys pulled me over. 378 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Yes. So how's it going? 379 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,200 How's it going? Is this your first? 380 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,600 I'd ever see my very first identifiers and what do you 381 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,300 think? I've been wanting to come here 382 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:29,900 for many many years and former lives and never got here? 383 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,800 I do, it's early for me, I think, you know, plus day one. 384 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:36,900 It's day. One. 385 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,400 Yeah. And I only really went to two 386 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,700 sessions and one of which was like, super full. 387 00:19:42,100 --> 00:19:44,300 So, I couldn't even really get to that one button. 388 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:45,200 It's great. You know what? 389 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,700 I love, it's lots of people, I know already and it other 390 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:52,500 conferences. I don't get a chance to talk to 391 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:53,400 them. Yeah, because you're because you 392 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,800 were running back and forth from one room to another room. 393 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,700 I don't get a chance, but it's it's great. 394 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,300 That's good. So did you get First-timer 395 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,200 sticker for your badge. I did not. 396 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,800 Okay. See our first timers are so left 397 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,900 and right around here. Well, if it's your first time, 398 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:12,000 how would you know that you have to put the fish on yourself? 399 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,600 That's why I see so few of them the feedback. 400 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:16,500 Yeah. You should have it on there. 401 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,500 Yeah. There was a first-timer session 402 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:21,400 earlier today. So for people who be honest, I 403 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,000 wanted to check that out. Yeah but I didn't get here in 404 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,700 time. Yeah. 405 00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:27,800 Okay it's cool. It's a good show. 406 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,300 Definitely more for practitioners. 407 00:20:29,300 --> 00:20:30,400 We've been kind of talking about here. 408 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:32,700 Or it's a different audience for sure. 409 00:20:32,700 --> 00:20:35,800 Compared to other conferences. That might might be part of this 410 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,800 thing more technical. I think for sure, but it's good, 411 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,000 it's fun. And it's like you said, it's 412 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,900 like it's almost like a like a high school reunions to some 413 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:46,100 degree with the people that you meet. 414 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:49,500 And these are people that you only see, maybe once a year 415 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:53,100 right at a conference maybe they're part of a slack channel 416 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:57,100 for ID Pro or doing something else and it's like oh yeah you 417 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,600 start to get to know each other and yeah next thing you know 418 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,500 it's like hey There's David, my new friend met him for the first 419 00:21:03,500 --> 00:21:06,600 time and hopefully, we'll see him in that the next identifiers 420 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,400 or whatever it may be, right. Yeah. 421 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,200 And that's how it works and the conference business because it's 422 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,000 such especially the identity conference side of things 423 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,700 because we're not talking, like, millions of people, like we're 424 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:20,300 talking for the most part. Thousands that are congregating 425 00:21:20,300 --> 00:21:23,900 around here. Yeah, like 2,000 would you say? 426 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,900 Yeah, I would say about 2,000, it's all my favorite things to 427 00:21:25,908 --> 00:21:28,200 do is the first is for the keynote is to try to figure out, 428 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,500 okay, how many people are at table? 429 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,300 How many? Tables. 430 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:34,800 I'm a big as this room and I'm guessing around 2000 roughly. 431 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:36,800 It's the biggest identifies I'd been to for sure. 432 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:38,300 I think that's the biggest one so far. 433 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:40,800 What you think of the chemo? I thought it was great. 434 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,200 Under is awesome. Are you? 435 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,600 He's a great speaker. Always delivers really good 436 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Insight. I'm always like listening, like, 437 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,200 you know, where are the things that I'm thinking? 438 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,700 Are they still validated it? Sounded like they were so that 439 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,600 made me happy. No, it was great. 440 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,200 Love the entertainment, the beginning. 441 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:03,300 I know someone is going to be very jealous that I work with 442 00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:06,100 it. Really likes wants the music, 443 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:10,200 the Sinatra and just you know, just once more music and more 444 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,200 fun and Frolic. Yeah. 445 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,200 I thought was cool fireworks. Yeah, well, I don't play or 446 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,400 works but we do want to blow anything up. 447 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,000 Yeah. Do we? 448 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,800 Not know maybe to close things down? 449 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,800 Set things on fire? Yeah. 450 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,600 Like, when we were at OCTA gym, we did the octane conference 451 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000 last year and we, they were nice enough to give us like a room to 452 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800 report in and and we were sitting in a recording and 453 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,000 they're literally tearing the thing down around us as a 454 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,200 recording. And it was, it was an epic 455 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,300 experience but that's really kind of like leaving it out on a 456 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,500 high note. So yep. 457 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,500 That's the the mic Drop. Kick the mic. 458 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,600 Stand smashed a guitar. There's nothing left. 459 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,700 Yeah, it was good times. So you like the keynote, what 460 00:22:49,700 --> 00:22:53,500 about other sessions that you're looking forward to? 461 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,200 So for me, it's a chance to go to hear other people that I know 462 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,200 and hear them speak. Right. 463 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,100 And get more down in the detail. Right because I never really get 464 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:08,700 a chance to do that. So I also want to make sure that 465 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:13,300 the things that I'm thinking about and writing about are 466 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,200 valid in the real world. Or is there something I'm 467 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,700 missing? Or, you know? 468 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:20,100 So hopefully in be going to be doing more listening than 469 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:22,700 talking, that'd be a nice change. 470 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:24,200 Yeah, a nice change of pace for you. 471 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,100 Right? Yeah. 472 00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:28,600 Definitely. How much do sessions like are I 473 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,400 guess experience like this inform you. 474 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,700 On your day job, you talked about having, you know, sort of 475 00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:39,700 influences maybe on some of the work that you do but are there I 476 00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:42,300 guess, are there any examples where it's like, hey, yeah, this 477 00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:43,800 is something that I thought was true in. 478 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:51,200 Listen, I just went by one of the booths and someone who I've 479 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,300 been having fair amount of sessions with was producing 480 00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:57,000 something. And I said, hey, is this 481 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,400 something? Is this ready to go? 482 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,500 And they said, well, it's not ready but they saved. 483 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,300 Copy. So, I had him autograph it for 484 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,200 me. Autograph it. 485 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,300 Nice. Yeah. 486 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:10,200 But, you know what? That makes me feel good. 487 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,300 Like, I'm really helping someone tangibly, help someone, who can 488 00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:16,300 deliver something. I mean, that's my job. 489 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:20,400 So you don't always get that feedback. 490 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,100 You get a lot of the problems, but you don't always know. 491 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,400 Did they take your advice? You're not right? 492 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,600 So we're like the doctor's office. 493 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,200 You come when you're sick, right? 494 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,500 Yeah. And we don't always often see if 495 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:35,500 for those well visits kind of thing and sometimes you can't 496 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:36,600 even describe. What's wrong. 497 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,100 So how are you supposed to diet? You know, how you supposed to 498 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:43,400 fix something? Yeah, So I've got a question, 499 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,900 it's a little bit off the conference object, but it's 500 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,600 Vegas in general. Are you a Vegas person? 501 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,200 Do you like it here? Yeah we've my husband and I when 502 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,400 they first started NASCAR races here like 1990, something or 503 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,900 other, we bought tickets. So we've been coming here. 504 00:25:01,900 --> 00:25:04,800 We used to come here regularly, then it was super cheap to come 505 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,600 here and even though I went to the races once or twice, I 506 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,700 wasn't a big race person but I mean it was fun. 507 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,500 Um but yeah we come you know, once a year maybe for fun. 508 00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:18,200 Hang out. Not huge gamblers. 509 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,400 More people watching stuff but it's super fun. 510 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,500 Yeah, I we used to have family out here too. 511 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:26,400 So now we don't anymore, but we still come. 512 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,500 So what tips do you have for people who maybe don't get out 513 00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:36,200 to Vegas very often? Well, my little inside tip is if 514 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,600 you're on the strip and you want to go somewhere to find some 515 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,000 cheap drinks and you're not having to pay $20 a piece, get 516 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,500 in the cab and go somewhere else. 517 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,600 That's one good advice but I'm a strip. 518 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,600 This Casino Royale is on the Strip. 519 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,500 Anybody heard of Casino Royale? I know the movie, it's it's on 520 00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,600 the other side of Harrah's, I think it is right as your other 521 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,800 side like flamingos. And then Harrah's and its really 522 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,100 the only kind of non big corporate Casino there. 523 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,000 And they used to have like, you know, two dollar beers and 524 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,600 stuff. They are dollar beers. 525 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,100 Now, they might be two or three or something and I didn't, I 526 00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:19,800 think they took away their tables. 527 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:24,200 So I think they're getting kind of pushed out almost, you know, 528 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800 like everything here is all. That's fun. 529 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,000 It's a, it's an Off the Strip but it's on the Strip kind of 530 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,900 place as a different vibe to it. That corporate. 531 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:36,700 Yes, exactly, right. And there's only a couple 532 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,400 casinos left that are right now. As I know. 533 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,300 Can you still get free drinks if you're gambling? 534 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,700 Yes. Is that a applied a slot 535 00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,800 machines? Yes, that's assuming you just 536 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,000 don't get in touch service out there. 537 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,800 So what they do is you had a gig, put your order in and then 538 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,800 it's a half hour until you drink comes. 539 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,900 Yes. So when it comes, you stuck to 540 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,200 be on the same machine. And typically you're sitting 541 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,300 there waiting because you've already lost that money. 542 00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,300 Yeah. You've lost. 150 bucks here. 543 00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:07,500 Waiting for you. Three dollar. 544 00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:10,300 Beer. Exactly leaving here 545 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,200 empty-handed. It's all I've done this before. 546 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000 Yeah, yeah. Is there something the identity 547 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,400 world that you're looking forward to? 548 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:24,500 Here in general, just Nostradamus is Jim likes to call 549 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:26,700 this week. Definitely a couple stalks that 550 00:27:26,700 --> 00:27:32,200 I'm really looking forward to a couple like from colleagues that 551 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,500 I used to work with. So I just I really want to hear 552 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,800 what they have to say. And for me, you know, I'm trying 553 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,200 to my ears are pierced for some certain things, and I'm just 554 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,100 wanting to really validate my thoughts. 555 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,500 Does that make sense? Yeah. 556 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,800 Yeah. Actually one of my thoughts 557 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,500 validated in Andre session where I'm actually working on an 558 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:59,200 e-book and the e-book is the expanding scope of digital 559 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,000 identity, and he pretty much said the scope of digital 560 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,800 identity is expanding. I'm like that validates. 561 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,900 What? I'm going to spend a lot of time 562 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:11,000 putting together, so I Denny's a fad. 563 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,300 It's gonna go away. It's like the internet. 564 00:28:12,300 --> 00:28:15,500 Yeah, it's important. Well, there's been conferences 565 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:23,300 since 2006 at least. Maybe maybe before then so it's 566 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,300 just getting more and more complicated. 567 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,600 How about a I like? What's your sense of how AI is 568 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600 going to impact? What we do and identity? 569 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,700 Yeah, I mean let's we think that AI for a while, right? 570 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,800 I mean it has been around what the definition. 571 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,200 I feel like it's changed. Well, it's generative now. 572 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600 Yeah. Now it's now it's generative AI. 573 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,500 So is it going to impact? Yes, it is going to happen. 574 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,900 I'm kind of afraid that everything that's an innovation 575 00:28:53,900 --> 00:29:00,900 gets called a, i We have this valid I mean, is that about or 576 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:03,500 what right? I think it's valid things that 577 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,400 are like business intelligence are not aii, right? 578 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:11,500 Well it's it could be. I think this is where the 579 00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:13,700 definition has changed and before we get too far, we have a 580 00:29:13,708 --> 00:29:15,400 new guest joining us. Megan is here. 581 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,900 Hello Megan. Hi, thanks for having me. 582 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,000 Yes, I okay, we got water. I'm good. 583 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,700 Yeah, we were talking about Ai and I feel like the definition 584 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:27,800 has changed because With the introduction of large language 585 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000 models. What I think we used to consider 586 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,400 as AI isn't really any more, I think it's more as ml machine 587 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,900 learning, which is a subset of a. 588 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:41,600 I, so when I hear a vendor say, oh, we have ai in our thing. 589 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,000 Okay. Do you really because do you 590 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,300 have a chat GPT like thing in there or a Google bard or any of 591 00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:51,000 the other large language models out there? 592 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,000 No, you probably don't. You're using some sort of 593 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,100 machine learning to do role-based access. 594 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:59,400 As control or something like that, which perfectly valid as a 595 00:29:59,408 --> 00:30:01,900 thing like that. But one of the things that I'm 596 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:05,900 starting to really, kind of Grill vendors on is tell me 597 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:07,500 about your right? What is it actually doing? 598 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,300 Is it the the current definition of AI or is it the five year old 599 00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,100 definition of a? I yeah, because I think within 600 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,000 the last six months with, you know, with the way things have 601 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,300 turned out with things like chat, GPT and open e, i and its 602 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:22,900 contemporaries. I don't think we can call it, 603 00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:25,300 the Saints, not equivalent, it does, it not remind you of when 604 00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:27,700 the word cloud Dad was interested. 605 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,300 Yeah, we're in the cloud. Yeah, we're not exactly. 606 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:33,100 It's just a new thing right? Exactly. 607 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,900 So Megan you're here you've got your doing a talk later this 608 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:40,400 week. Oh so I'm Megan Sheamus with the 609 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,600 fight Alliance I don't know. I've done two talks already 610 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,700 today so it's perfect timing. Your brain is like completely 611 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:51,200 using. So yeah so I this morning I was 612 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,900 talking to the women I and identity folks about the work 613 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,300 that fight Alliance is doing and how women are actually Ali 614 00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:58,200 driving some of that stuff forward. 615 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:02,300 And then we had a great master class today on for the dev like 616 00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:08,000 Dev Community about enabling phyto sign-ins for websites, 617 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,500 which was standing room. Only, it's actually been really 618 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:13,800 amazing the level of interest and excitement around the stuff 619 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400 that the final lines is doing. And I can't wait. 620 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,400 So we have even more to come over the next couple days. 621 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,000 So you've had two talks already. Today, you're doing a third, 622 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,700 which is this podcast? And you've got more coming up. 623 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,500 We had we have many. I'm so happy that you asked. 624 00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:34,000 So we have so our executive director and CMO is giving a 625 00:31:34,008 --> 00:31:36,600 keynote tomorrow. Is that Anthem that's injured 626 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600 shaky are here for another show. Current hold of the show. 627 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,100 Amazing amazing. Speaker, he's going to be doing 628 00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:47,100 a keynote tomorrow at 8:30 so I hope folks can wake up bright 629 00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,800 and early or maybe stay up all night and come and hang out 34 630 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,500 his keynote because he's gonna actually be making some kind of 631 00:31:53,508 --> 00:31:55,400 cool and Announcements about some of the stuff that we're 632 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,100 doing and then Christian bran from Google. 633 00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:02,800 So Google just actually announced their they rolled out, 634 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,500 passkey support across all of their Google accounts for 635 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:09,600 consumers so he's going to have a talk on passkeys tomorrow. 636 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:14,100 And then we have the ux session which is a master class. 637 00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:17,400 So great. We've laid the foundation for 638 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,800 like safe and secure. Sign ins. 639 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,500 How do you make it really optimal for users to opt into 640 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:23,800 that? We did. 641 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,100 To research on that. And tomorrow, we're going to be 642 00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:30,600 announcing the results of that a master class and then and you 643 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,400 take a breath because we just have so much going on here. 644 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,800 Andrew will be then hosting a fireside chat with some early 645 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,900 adopters of passkeys, including kayak Google and into it. 646 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:46,300 So I think that, you know, and out of ours, has been a really 647 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:49,100 great supporter of like the work that we're doing and they've 648 00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:52,300 really embraced you guys. I mean, we partner with that 649 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:55,400 with identifiers and, you know, We're really mutually supportive 650 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,600 of all the stuff that we're doing. 651 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:03,500 But I think that the audience is just really clamoring for more 652 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,300 information about the work that we're doing, and it's been 653 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,100 amazing so far. And I've only been here for like 654 00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:11,800 eight hours, so, Well, it's Katrina. 655 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,200 You're totally Trend upwards. I recently set up past key on my 656 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Google account. Becky, have you set up passkeys 657 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,200 yet anything? If not, have you encountered any 658 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,100 counts that actually have support for it yet? 659 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,100 I mean I'm assuming you have a Google account but yes, yes, I'm 660 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:31,000 sure. I have, I give kudos honest, I 661 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400 don't. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's great. 662 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,700 It is great. It works really well like 663 00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:39,200 shockingly, right? For the way that, you know, the, 664 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,800 I think some of the tributaries. Because I've got there for an 665 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,000 employment standpoint. I went in, I signed up set up my 666 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,600 pass key and I was like, got it worked. 667 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,100 Yeah, so I definitely would encourage it. 668 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,500 Were you most surprised that there weren't any lack of 669 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:54,700 friction? Friction e, i was matched the 670 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:58,000 120% yeah prepared for like, all right, I'm gonna have to if this 671 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,100 is gonna screw up I'm gonna get locked out of my Gmail. 672 00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:00,900 Yeah. Right. 673 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,100 You know, so I think it's good all wrong. 674 00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:05,400 Let me get my, let me get all my secret backup codes collected, 675 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,700 like, you know, to make sure that I think it's really 676 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,600 interesting because in the ux research that we did, Did was 677 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,900 that like we found that people are actually surprised when 678 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,900 there's less friction there like this might be less secure 679 00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:20,100 because I'm not doing like a million steps and it's it you 680 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:25,400 have to actually really educate them that no this is a first 681 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,300 factor that is way more secure than a password and that's it 682 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,900 and it's a new thing and it's going to take some time. 683 00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:36,400 But like as I said, or I continue to say, we've only been 684 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,900 a year into this, we only announced passkeys one. 685 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,300 Year ago, we were talking about it last year at a Denver, so we 686 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:46,100 just announced it. So, like, tremendous amount of 687 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,100 momentum and movement forward in just a year, it will be Stay 688 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:53,500 tuned. Andrew has a really cool slide 689 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,300 about like years years. We've been dealing with things 690 00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,700 in the like how don't steal his Thunder. 691 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,200 Weather alert. Hmm. 692 00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,300 Becky got a jam. Okay she's out of here. 693 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:06,100 Our mystery guest. I just thanks Beck sort of named 694 00:35:06,100 --> 00:35:07,600 her but we'll see. Yes, mystery guess. 695 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600 So is Megan. Is this your first identifiers 696 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:18,100 conference that you've attended? Now this is my Fourth or fifth. 697 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,600 I want to say I don't averse. Chef is doing a bad check, to 698 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,700 make sure you're putting on a little Massacre on buddy. 699 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Thank you. That's what I've been saying 700 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,800 really I'm in. Like so I find it ironic that, 701 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,000 you know, you know, we're at enough we're an identity 702 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,300 conference and we're not even aesthetic aiding our own badges. 703 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,600 I mean, how sad is that? You can go up there, any 704 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000 imposter, anything you could throw, whatever stick that you 705 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,600 want on it? I'm just, it's actually an 706 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,800 interesting thing that you bring up because we actually Us our 707 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,700 own conference which is authenticate, which is taking 708 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:51,400 place in October. This is not a Shameless plug 709 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,000 although I do, we're going to shamelessly plug it because 710 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,700 we're going to be there but so we also like catch heat for 711 00:35:56,700 --> 00:36:01,300 things like that and we have to when we're running events have 712 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:03,800 to. So like use tools that are maybe 713 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,500 not optimal to the kinds of authentication that we want to 714 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,200 deal with, right? So when you have to like 715 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,100 download the app and use a password, or you have like some 716 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,200 kind of magical Inca or something, is it optimal? 717 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,700 It is not. But we're working. 718 00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:21,100 So we as fight Alliance so we use cvent for our event. 719 00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:24,100 We're working with them to fight own able their platform because 720 00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,300 we're like look like there's only so far. 721 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:28,500 We can go with this conference before. 722 00:36:28,500 --> 00:36:32,900 People are like, why are we not using Fidos to sign into the 723 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,000 platform, right? So I think like, I got to give 724 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,500 identify us a little bit of a pass on that where it's like we 725 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,600 only have so many tools to choose from and like they we 726 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,300 cannot like make them optimal in the amount of time that we need 727 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,500 to do for events. But we, at least are working 728 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,600 with our vendor, to make it better. 729 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,400 So I thinik ate his later years in October. 730 00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,200 Yeah, it's in October. I wish, I knew the day, so it's 731 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,200 the 16th to the 19th. We're going to be actually in 732 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,900 California. This year going to be outside of 733 00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:03,200 San Diego and Carlsbad. We needed a bigger space. 734 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,400 We needed a bigger expo, hall, bigger, presence, which is a 735 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,100 good problem to have. So we're going to be a little 736 00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,600 more contained. We're going to do a lot of 737 00:37:10,607 --> 00:37:13,600 really fun stuff for our attendees. 738 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,000 And what's really exciting about it is I'm really Dissipating. 739 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,400 A lot of newbies because passkey people are excited about 740 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,200 passkeys but since you were just learning about this for the 741 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,500 first time. So as I so, actually run the 742 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,000 agenda and content for authenticate. 743 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,600 In addition to my day job at the fight Alliance, trying to like 744 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,400 put together an agenda that can accommodate all levels of 745 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,000 experience with Fido is actually really fun. 746 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,500 We're going to have a lot of, like, newbie content, like mid 747 00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:46,900 deployment content, Dev content, it's going to be just Just way 748 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:51,300 more inclusive than we've had in years past and in terms of 749 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,600 content. So I'm really excited about it. 750 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,200 It's a fun conference juvenile to go into the last one actually 751 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,300 really excited to have. I done it at the center, be our 752 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,600 partner partner podcast. Yes, the breaking breaking news. 753 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,600 Yes. So we will be there for sure. 754 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,800 Supporting it. What are you looking forward to 755 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,700 the rest of this week? So and I mean, I'll preface 756 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:12,500 this. It doesn't necessary. 757 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,000 Have to be identity related, could be something in Vegas, 758 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:18,800 you're looking forward to. Bender parties or something. 759 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,800 Oh, wow, it's Vegas. Yeah, so it's been interesting. 760 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,600 This is the first year that identifies has been in Vegas and 761 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,400 past years. You know, we've been at in 762 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:32,400 Denver and, and other locations. So Vegas is cool. 763 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,700 I think that one of the. So one of the things I love 764 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:37,400 about identifiers is a community. 765 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,700 So, this is a very inclusive community, whether you're new, 766 00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:46,000 or you're sort of seasoned here. People are very friendly and 767 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,900 wanting To like learn. And there's just a lot of 768 00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:52,100 opportunities for networking here, which I always love a by 769 00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,600 Denver's. The other thing is that I like 770 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,300 Vegas so I like to maybe hang out the pool a little bit 771 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:01,300 Network at the pool, bring the laptop. 772 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:04,400 I mean it hasn't really been able to do that as much your 773 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,800 laptop network with a pina colada, you know, you got like 774 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200 the kind of floating desk, kind of thing going on, turn the 775 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,100 camera on because obviously no one's gonna beat that backdrop, 776 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:15,800 right? Obviously I would never not. 777 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,800 So, I think that it's just it's the people here and it's the the 778 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,400 array of content is really just like super interesting. 779 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,500 So I could go have like a list of sessions. 780 00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:28,500 I want to go to. It has nothing to do with my day 781 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:31,400 job or things of but it's just super interesting the stuff 782 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,800 that's going on in the space. So I Denver's is always a great 783 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,600 show for just learning new things meeting. 784 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,400 New people, really great Community is good community. 785 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,500 And speaking of community, we have Lea has joined us sort of 786 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,300 hello. Hello. 787 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,500 Hello, Leah. What are you looking forward to 788 00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:51,000 the rest of this week for a Denver's? 789 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,300 You know, I really think that I'm excited to meet a ton of new 790 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,600 people. Last year was my first identify 791 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,800 verse. I knew no one, I was a brand-new 792 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,900 be in the identity space and now it's a year later and I feel 793 00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,200 like I've started to learn a little bit more. 794 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,200 I will admit, I didn't know the difference between IGA and I am 795 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,600 and Pam when I started. And I've really the community 796 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,700 has been very helpful. And when I ask questions or just 797 00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:21,500 anything has been very helping me, educate myself, and that's 798 00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:23,700 what I'm really Excited about? That's awesome. 799 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:25,800 Are you a member of Ida Pro? I am? 800 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,800 Yeah. It's that Community being very 801 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,100 helpful as well. It's been like the slack 802 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,500 Channel. You can just it's crazy. 803 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,200 It's not just me, right? It's like channels, amazing. 804 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,700 The sectionals. Awesome. 805 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:41,000 And you and I actually use it. I'm part of infragard, Tampa Bay 806 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,100 and I actually can slacken to there and ask people, and 807 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:46,200 they've already connected me with tons of other people. 808 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,800 So, I really appreciate how much the security Community are guess 809 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,300 the identity Community has just It pulled me in and let me be a 810 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:57,100 part of it won't be long till Leah's up on the big stage. 811 00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:00,000 Throwing, two keynote down. Y'all do not want me up on the 812 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200 stage. Well, I heard a y'all, so I 813 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,800 definitely want you up on the stage for that particular 814 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,000 relief. Yeah, well, that's fine. 815 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:13,900 I mean, it can't always be just, you know, deep deep deep topics, 816 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:14,600 right? Getting into it. 817 00:41:14,607 --> 00:41:16,800 You wanna have some fun, we do that in our show too bright. 818 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,800 We end most of our shows on a on a lighter note, so - is clearly 819 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,500 a Vegas person. Yourself Vegas room. 820 00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,100 I don't know what that that was not meant to be Caracas. 821 00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:29,500 An insult that. I'm the biggest person here for 822 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:31,100 the final biggest person to. Yeah. 823 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,100 Are you back yet? I feel that you're either very 824 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:37,600 into Vegas or you're very not and into the weekend, like 825 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,300 niggas harder three days and then I'm out, that's it, then 826 00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,400 drown. Where's my plane? 827 00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:47,100 Exactly. Yeah, I would say younger Leah 828 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:52,100 was a huge Vegas person but now I'm older and I feel like A big 829 00:41:52,100 --> 00:41:56,100 loser because I was really excited to just get to my hotel 830 00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:58,300 room and take a nice bath. Yeah. 831 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,500 But sure you and I were talking earlier, you have a very cool 832 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:03,500 set. I don't want to blow up your 833 00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:07,100 spot or do anything like that but it's pretty sweet. 834 00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:09,800 I mean, what you're planning on doing over the summer, at least 835 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,800 stand for the next foreseeable. All we want to do in the summer. 836 00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,600 Well, I didn't I wasn't going to put her on the spot but if she 837 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,400 wants to volunteer what was going to happen? 838 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,100 After you said that loud nose. Come on. 839 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,200 I mean I'm flying to Zurich. Back on Thursday. 840 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,600 So I'll be in Europe for the summer. 841 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,400 And I've just been kind of traveling around just a little 842 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,900 bit. I just got back from Calgary 843 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,300 visiting. My she is my roommate when I 844 00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:35,200 lived in Innsbruck and I got to hang out with her which was 845 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,700 really nice and I found identity week in Amsterdam and so I'm 846 00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,900 going to go check it out because you know, why not? 847 00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,300 I got to go spread the identity where program I'm excited. 848 00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:48,900 I'm supposed to do something for them ride any week, America 849 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:49,900 later this year. Yep. 850 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,600 So you got all right, you're on a mission. 851 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,400 Now you need to come back and Report. 852 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,200 What was identity week? Like an American Amsterdam, it's 853 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,800 an Amsterdam. Yeah, it's on June. 854 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,800 This is what. So that's the mark of a true 855 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,100 identity nerd. When they are like traveling 856 00:43:04,100 --> 00:43:06,800 around on vacation they're like well I have to hit identity week 857 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,700 right here anyway. Yeah there I might as well, 858 00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:15,400 definitely a security nerd. I like accidentally found 859 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,700 security and it has been so nice to come in and be like, oh, 860 00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:21,000 These Are My People. You guys got it. 861 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,100 Yeah. We haven't figured out, like, 862 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:27,700 what to call a group of identity people are at dinner a couple 863 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:31,100 years ago with the identity, which I don't really like that 864 00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:33,700 term. We called it a disagreement of 865 00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:36,400 people, that's a stupid like, because we can never agree on 866 00:43:36,408 --> 00:43:38,700 anything. I don't have six either but it's 867 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:42,700 like identify versus is like, what's the plural of that? 868 00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,100 That's a good question. While I'll be brainstorming that 869 00:43:45,100 --> 00:43:48,200 on the plane and I'll come back with some ideas, I promise. 870 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,100 So now, we got a foreign correspondent for the show. 871 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:51,300 This is fantastic. I like it. 872 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:53,900 This, this From Identity, week Amsterdam. 873 00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:56,600 Yeah, there we go. See that would be cool. 874 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,500 We haven't been able to make it across the pond yet. 875 00:43:58,500 --> 00:44:01,100 Jim. Some well-being that we're in 876 00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:02,900 Vegas. I think we should wrap up the 877 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:06,000 show and go enjoy your Vegas. Yeah, I'm hungry. 878 00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:09,200 I'm thirsty. We have 13 minutes left of the 879 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,200 free drinks inside. So, the sliders are really good. 880 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,100 I have 10K, sliders, the fries are legit. 881 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,100 Sliders fries about from the crowd? 882 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,200 What else should I be checking out? 883 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,400 What you are? What do I know? 884 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:24,700 Paul, you know, it's actually a weird. 885 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:27,100 Yeah thing but identifiers actually does a wonderful job 886 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,300 with the food, like the libraries are great. 887 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,400 I mean, these are things people. I mean, I know I run a 888 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,900 conference. I got those surveys back. 889 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:36,600 The most things are like food. Yeah, people want to be 890 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,400 well-fed. I judge every conference on the 891 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,500 quality of their cookies. So that's how we're going to 892 00:44:42,508 --> 00:44:44,900 find out over the next couple of days whether or not this 893 00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:48,900 conference turns out any good have faith but that's how I 894 00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:51,000 judge It Is by cookies. The I'll tell you the last 895 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,300 Gartner conference It's cookies were around point. 896 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,700 Just going to say it right there. 897 00:44:56,100 --> 00:45:00,200 I agree with that statement. Wholeheartedly alright, let's go 898 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,300 ahead and wrap up anything else. Jim. 899 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:03,900 I think that's the point that was bringing up. 900 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,300 Like we have to depend upon the services that we have for events 901 00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:11,600 in like they're not always like we can't be like We must insist 902 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,600 upon these XYZ things in a year that you put in place. 903 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,000 It's actually really hard because we would like to make 904 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,700 himself look more. Like body are like sign-ins for 905 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:25,400 all of our event. Things to be Fido and Abel but 906 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,000 it's like those things say time, right? 907 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,400 But we play at the seeds but like I take the brunt of that 908 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,300 because I'm like whatever magic things for XYZ. 909 00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:37,800 I'm like I'm sorry I didn't do as I say not as I do. 910 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,500 I wish I did but but That's the point. 911 00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:43,800 Yeah. All right, we want, we want it. 912 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,600 We want everybody to be safe. We're not black because he's 913 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,000 gonna keep talking. We're going to try to end the 914 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,400 show which easily keep going on. And on about it, I could go on 915 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,300 forever forever. Like Megan. 916 00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:56,300 All right? Megan, Megan is remove. 917 00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:58,700 The mic is walking away. Slowly. 918 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,900 She's doing it backwards to so, probably smart. 919 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,700 Yeah, out of here. Thank you for the folks who took 920 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:09,900 the time to stand here, and very uncomfortable, no seats or 921 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:11,900 anything like that. He was very, very much hoping 922 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:15,000 Leah, thank you for joining us. Megan, thank you for joining us. 923 00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:18,600 Thank you for Ian and Becky and that conference organizers. 924 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,900 Again, to give us a spot. Yeah, it's very cool. 925 00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:23,300 So we'll go ahead, leave it there. 926 00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,900 And yeah, no, no, no cool. Outro would just say we're done. 927 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,200 See you guys. 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