1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,000 This is identity at the center. If it has anything to do with I 2 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:17,960 AM, this is the go to podcast now your hosts Jim McDonald and 3 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,480 Jeff Steadman. Welcome to the Identity at the 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,480 Center podcast. I'm Jeff and that's Jim. 5 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,720 Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,120 How are you? Oh, not so bad yourself. 7 00:00:28,050 --> 00:00:31,570 It's doing good. I'm so break down the what do we 8 00:00:31,570 --> 00:00:33,370 call this? The 4th wall or 5th wall? 9 00:00:33,370 --> 00:00:35,450 4th wall Yeah. Pull back the curtain. 10 00:00:35,450 --> 00:00:37,690 What's going on? There's usually 4 walls though, 11 00:00:37,690 --> 00:00:41,130 right? Well, so there's three walls. 12 00:00:41,130 --> 00:00:46,570 Typically when you're talking about like media, it's the two 13 00:00:46,570 --> 00:00:48,610 walls on the left of the one behind the actors. 14 00:00:48,810 --> 00:00:51,730 The 4th wall is the one that you're looking through that 15 00:00:51,730 --> 00:00:53,610 you're not supposed to have interaction with, but 16 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:56,650 occasionally. We do kick down that 4th wall 17 00:00:56,730 --> 00:00:58,850 and now and we're talking directly to our audience. 18 00:00:59,210 --> 00:01:01,170 Doesn't make any sense in the context of a podcast. 19 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:03,290 But we just go with it. Yeah. 20 00:01:03,290 --> 00:01:06,650 No, it's well, I'm glad you understood the the whole context 21 00:01:06,650 --> 00:01:10,090 that I was saying because I didn't but now I do. 22 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:16,290 And just so kicking down the 4th wall, you're in a hotel that's 23 00:01:16,290 --> 00:01:20,210 why you sound the way you do. And I'm at home and it's 24 00:01:20,290 --> 00:01:26,070 Saturday and is manual labor Saturday for me, which I'm not 25 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:29,630 used to doing. And I'm like exhausted and I 26 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:34,830 hardly did anything. Let's just be clear, like I had 27 00:01:34,830 --> 00:01:38,310 a bunch of contractors here and I was running around and and 28 00:01:38,310 --> 00:01:40,710 helping them do and I was moving some things. 29 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:45,150 But reality, I wasn't doing very much physical labor yet. 30 00:01:45,150 --> 00:01:48,630 It's exhausting. Yeah, I'm management. 31 00:01:48,750 --> 00:01:50,470 I choose. I choose not to do that if I can 32 00:01:50,470 --> 00:01:54,290 avoid it. Hey, I think it's a good thing 33 00:01:54,650 --> 00:01:58,250 that you can do for the economy to spend money to spur the 34 00:01:58,250 --> 00:02:01,490 economy on. And at the same time, you don't 35 00:02:01,490 --> 00:02:03,810 have to do those things. So it's a win win. 36 00:02:04,610 --> 00:02:06,370 Yeah, well, I definitely do my part in that case then. 37 00:02:06,490 --> 00:02:08,490 So it's for the economy, let's just call it that. 38 00:02:08,490 --> 00:02:12,250 Not my own laziness or ineptitude. 39 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:15,610 Yeah, it's it's you being altruistic. 40 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:20,450 Yeah, yeah, I like that on that. Yeah, I'm altruistic spending 41 00:02:20,450 --> 00:02:21,690 money so I don't have to do things. 42 00:02:24,220 --> 00:02:26,620 So should we talk about the elephant in the room real quick? 43 00:02:26,860 --> 00:02:31,060 We should because it's. It's been bothering me for it's 44 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:33,220 been bothering me. Two weeks now, Yeah. 45 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:37,860 So in our last episode we ended kind of talking about NFL and I 46 00:02:37,860 --> 00:02:43,220 went hard on the Bears like I was all in and you know, made 47 00:02:43,220 --> 00:02:45,540 that prediction I think 3 weeks before we started. 48 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:50,300 Today is September 23rd, so now there's two games have already 49 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:52,560 passed. Bears look like crap. 50 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,200 Jordan Love tore them up in the first game. 51 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,240 They made Baker Mayfield look like an MVP in his game against 52 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,960 and their game against Tampa Bay. 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,600 So just as quickly as I drank the Bears kool-aid before the 54 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,120 scenes the season started, I am back off of it. 55 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,600 This is why you have come to identity the Center for football 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,270 picks. Yeah, well, I thought the the 57 00:03:13,310 --> 00:03:15,790 elephant in the room was going to be my pick for the Super Bowl 58 00:03:15,790 --> 00:03:19,310 winner of the New York Jets. And while they did win the first 59 00:03:19,310 --> 00:03:23,470 game, which I predicted, the star quarterback that they 60 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:27,710 brought over, you know, lost the rest of the season on the first 61 00:03:27,710 --> 00:03:29,790 side of the down. So that's pretty bad. 62 00:03:29,790 --> 00:03:35,230 So did I mention Go Eagles? No, they look good. 63 00:03:35,470 --> 00:03:37,470 I mean, but they were already a favor in the beginning. 64 00:03:37,510 --> 00:03:39,710 And I was also a night. I'm also a Niners fan and I. 65 00:03:40,210 --> 00:03:42,130 Did not pick the night because I thought that was too easy that 66 00:03:42,130 --> 00:03:44,850 they would beat up on Pittsburgh and they absolutely did and now 67 00:03:44,850 --> 00:03:48,010 they are three and oh as of the Thursday night game last night 68 00:03:48,210 --> 00:03:51,610 where they they took care of business against the a not a not 69 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:55,930 good New York Giants team. So how about some more non 70 00:03:55,930 --> 00:03:59,130 identity news. I mean it came out this past 71 00:03:59,130 --> 00:04:04,490 week that Delta is changing their Sky Miles program, which I 72 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:09,040 mean, you know, it's just like with football teams, you go all 73 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,120 in on your airline and if they change the rules of the game, at 74 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,480 least they did give us plenty of notice. 75 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,440 But this is a change that will go into effect when like next 76 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,920 year, some of it's the year that's like. 77 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,840 February 1st, just like that. Like their cycle runs February 78 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:30,200 1st to January 31st. And yeah, I don't know how I 79 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,600 feel about it yet, other than I don't know if I guess you know 80 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,760 if you're a diamond member now. It got a lot harder to become 81 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,120 diamonds, also been a lot harder to become platinum. 82 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,120 But I feel like I'm right on the cusp of staying in the platinum 83 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,600 area. But I don't know. 84 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,600 I mean, the biggest thing for me was they're cutting the number 85 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,120 of Delta club visits to only 10 per year. 86 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Even if you have the Delta Club like Amex card, which is what 87 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,480 I've been using. Yeah, so and then why? 88 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,280 Would I have the Amex card and that's not good anymore is what 89 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,240 I'm asking. There's some other Amex card too 90 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:10,230 that is not the D1 that somehow you get 5 visits and then I 91 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:13,390 think you can get visits at the other clubs as well. 92 00:05:13,390 --> 00:05:15,710 So maybe that would be the way to go. 93 00:05:15,710 --> 00:05:19,350 But the the gist of the change is that you know they're no 94 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:23,190 longer using a combination of miles flown or segments flown 95 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:27,390 plus qualifying dollars. Now it's just qualifying dial 96 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:29,110 dollars. My opinion? 97 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:32,150 Straight, straight cash on me. Straight cash on me. 98 00:05:32,670 --> 00:05:39,730 My my opinion is that so, so Delta is always more expensive 99 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:44,130 than American Airlines, so they have a lot of competing routes 100 00:05:44,450 --> 00:05:48,730 and I've let's just say I've rarely seen the circumstance 101 00:05:48,730 --> 00:05:52,170 where Delta's cheaper. Now in my opinion, they provide 102 00:05:52,170 --> 00:05:58,050 a much better service and it's worth it to pay more. 103 00:05:58,450 --> 00:06:04,600 But my feeling is like this is to try to push people to book 104 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:10,840 the more expensive flights. Maybe for business travelers to 105 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,040 wait till the last minute to book your flight, things like 106 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,280 that. Yeah, I mean, higher fares 107 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:20,280 obviously will help with that, spending a lot of money on the 108 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,160 Amex card. I mean, they're just a bank now. 109 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,440 That's basically what it is, is they want people to spend money 110 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,200 on their Amex, you know, their branded Amex cards. 111 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,040 So if you spend $75,000 on your Amex. 112 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:36,950 Reserve card, guess what, you get to go to the club for free 113 00:06:37,190 --> 00:06:39,390 as many times as you want, you know all the next year. 114 00:06:39,870 --> 00:06:44,910 But if you spend 74,000 dollars, 999, guess what, you're limited 115 00:06:44,910 --> 00:06:48,470 to 10. So I don't know, it just I'm, 116 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:51,830 I'm seriously thinking about what I'm going to do not this 117 00:06:51,830 --> 00:06:56,790 year but going into next year. So meaning for the 2024 kind of 118 00:06:56,950 --> 00:07:00,470 mileage accruing season into 2025? 119 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:04,260 I have choices. I can either go American or 120 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:05,900 Delta. Those are really kind of my my 121 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:09,820 only two real choices, living where I live and we'll see what 122 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:11,300 happens. There's I can tell you right now 123 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:15,980 the the delta subreddit is not happy about these changes. 124 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:21,700 I I mean, what do you think? What are the odds that they they 125 00:07:22,420 --> 00:07:26,820 renege or change their mind on these changes? 126 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:31,380 I don't think there's any chance whatsoever, really. 127 00:07:32,180 --> 00:07:34,300 Yeah, I just don't see it happening because they've 128 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:36,180 already come out and said it. They're basically following 129 00:07:36,180 --> 00:07:37,780 American. American does this already. 130 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:42,700 They have a very similar mileage approach or dollars approach I 131 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:45,100 should say, where it's based on dollar spends. 132 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:48,740 Now theirs is a little bit easier I think to accrue, you 133 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:52,580 know, certain statuses. The dollar value amount seems to 134 00:07:52,580 --> 00:07:55,780 be a little bit lower. But this is just where the 135 00:07:55,780 --> 00:07:57,820 industry's going. United is starting to do this as 136 00:07:57,820 --> 00:07:59,740 well. It really doesn't matter how far 137 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:02,470 you fly. Or even how many times you fly 138 00:08:02,470 --> 00:08:06,310 it's how expensive are your flights and are you spending 139 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:10,350 money on whatever the Co rented credit card is to, you know, 140 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:11,910 drive that up. I think they made like $4 141 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:15,510 billion on the Amex spend of their customers. 142 00:08:16,630 --> 00:08:20,270 OK. So just one comment somewhat in 143 00:08:20,270 --> 00:08:25,150 their defense is so the delta clubs whatever was last year or 144 00:08:25,150 --> 00:08:27,270 something like that, it was absolutely ridiculous. 145 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:29,510 You get to the club and it still are stand in line. 146 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:34,250 If you only had, well no it had, they changed the rules and then 147 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:36,929 it like cleared up right, But now it's a little bit 148 00:08:36,929 --> 00:08:39,289 ridiculous. So what happened? 149 00:08:40,929 --> 00:08:42,250 I think. Just more people flying. 150 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:43,929 I mean flights are up everywhere. 151 00:08:43,929 --> 00:08:48,530 The airport that I my home airport is Asheville, NC and 152 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:53,090 every month it's been 25% busier than the previous month for like 153 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:56,810 3 years straight minus pandemic kind of stuff. 154 00:08:57,770 --> 00:09:00,250 It's just there's way more people flying and. 155 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,480 I do think there are probably too many people who have access 156 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,000 to the club for a reason. But I've never. 157 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,880 I can tell you if having flown United out of Chicago for a 158 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,120 decade, never once had to wait to get into the United club at 159 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,200 O'Hare, which is like they're one of their hubs, Atlanta's 160 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,520 been totally different story. Delta. 161 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Yeah, I, you know, I kind of feel like the other thing is 162 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,760 like the club experience is kind of like falling off a little bit 163 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:30,160 it the seats are very close to each other. 164 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,560 I feel like the food is still good, but it's not that great. 165 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:39,120 But it's better than sitting in the at the gate, stuff like 166 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,760 that. Sometimes, yeah, I can tell you 167 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,040 I'm not standing outside of a club for more than 3 minutes to 168 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,600 get in. That's time I'll find just go 169 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:49,800 find a quiet part of the terminal. 170 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,840 I mean, free food and free Wi-Fi used to be the draw. 171 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,160 Now you can get free Wi-Fi pretty much at every every, you 172 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,290 know, airport. Food's a separate story, but I 173 00:10:00,290 --> 00:10:04,850 don't think the food is not that much better than I would the 174 00:10:04,930 --> 00:10:09,130 restaurant for it. Yeah, yeah, so. 175 00:10:09,410 --> 00:10:11,690 We'll see. Yeah, I guess we'll see. 176 00:10:11,730 --> 00:10:15,850 And you know, I think if I'm actually a little more 177 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:19,730 optimistic that if enough people complain about it, they may do 178 00:10:19,730 --> 00:10:23,790 something, especially this this bit with the you'd only go to 179 00:10:23,790 --> 00:10:27,430 the club 10 times and let's just spend $75,000 bunch of people 180 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:30,270 drop their cards, which I'm considering, right? 181 00:10:30,470 --> 00:10:32,150 I wouldn't have considered it otherwise. 182 00:10:32,510 --> 00:10:35,470 But if bunch of people drop their cards, then you know 183 00:10:35,870 --> 00:10:38,630 that's going to really hit their top line. 184 00:10:39,510 --> 00:10:41,350 But maybe that's what they want. Maybe that's how they solve 185 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:42,870 crowding. I don't know. 186 00:10:43,510 --> 00:10:46,630 But I'm with you care enough about the crowding to. 187 00:10:47,390 --> 00:10:50,270 I don't think that the crowding is a big enough problem that 188 00:10:50,270 --> 00:10:53,210 they're willing to take a big hit to their top line. 189 00:10:54,450 --> 00:10:55,850 Not man. Make money and then we'll figure 190 00:10:55,850 --> 00:11:03,010 out how to fix it later exactly. What else we've been working on? 191 00:11:03,010 --> 00:11:06,410 I've been working on the YouTube channel, so I kind of teased it. 192 00:11:06,810 --> 00:11:09,570 Maybe there's an episode or two ago that I was starting to put 193 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:12,250 things up on our YouTube channel, and so now we're 194 00:11:12,250 --> 00:11:16,770 starting to get more episodes from our back catalog, slowly 195 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:19,770 but surely getting uploaded roughly 3A day or so. 196 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Are going up into our YouTube channel. 197 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,840 You can find a link to our YouTube channel on our website 198 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,000 idacpodcast.com in the upper right. 199 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,760 Got a little logo for YouTube. You click that. 200 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,080 That'll take us straight to our videos. 201 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,720 If you just type in IDAC dot live into your browser for the 202 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,760 address, that'll take you to our live episodes that we started 203 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,840 and kind of trailed off and never came back to. 204 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,000 But that'll still take you to the YouTube channel that has all 205 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,620 of our podcast episodes, so. The plan going forward is 206 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,740 roughly 3A day or so to get them until we get caught up. 207 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:55,500 And then going forward we'll have episodes up on YouTube as 208 00:11:55,500 --> 00:11:57,140 well. So I know some people like to 209 00:11:57,140 --> 00:12:00,580 watch their audio podcasts, which feels weird to say, but 210 00:12:00,580 --> 00:12:06,620 here we are what I've seen. So I I kind of feel like YouTube 211 00:12:06,620 --> 00:12:11,620 is also a streaming service for music and podcasts now where 212 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:17,010 I'll see people at the gym who just basically stream YouTube 213 00:12:17,010 --> 00:12:19,650 and they can lock their phone or whatever. 214 00:12:19,650 --> 00:12:22,330 I think you have to have the premium YouTube that you can 215 00:12:22,330 --> 00:12:26,370 lock your phone and not going to get hit with ads, but you know 216 00:12:26,650 --> 00:12:29,050 what's the premium YouTube like 10 bucks a month. 217 00:12:29,370 --> 00:12:32,010 I think that's. 10 bucks a month, no ads, and you get 218 00:12:32,010 --> 00:12:34,050 YouTube Music. Kind of bumbled in with it. 219 00:12:34,050 --> 00:12:37,130 So I've been thinking about doing it honestly. 220 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:40,970 Because you know, I I watch YouTube enough that I, you know, 221 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:43,970 watching sitting through the ads is just not worth it. 222 00:12:45,300 --> 00:12:48,500 Yeah, I'm very annoying for almost a year now and it's it's 223 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:50,740 worth it for me because I spend so much time on YouTube just 224 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:54,060 watching stuff. Yeah, well, I'm hoping that in 225 00:12:54,060 --> 00:12:58,340 the future. So this is my my my plea to 226 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:04,340 vendors is to put more webinars and videos that you have on your 227 00:13:04,340 --> 00:13:06,020 website, put them on your YouTube channel. 228 00:13:06,420 --> 00:13:10,780 You know, people would like to be able to sit at their home TV 229 00:13:10,780 --> 00:13:13,660 and just watch identity management content. 230 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:17,830 You know, it's like in your free time, the ability to educate 231 00:13:17,830 --> 00:13:19,350 yourself. And I think you have to make it 232 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:21,590 more entertaining than just webinars. 233 00:13:21,830 --> 00:13:25,190 And some organizations like Octa does a really good job with 234 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:30,350 their YouTube channel. Other software vendors are way 235 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:33,270 behind. But I think that I think it's a 236 00:13:33,270 --> 00:13:36,510 valuable way to get the content out there especially and you 237 00:13:36,510 --> 00:13:38,990 have to follow and you don't have to follow. 238 00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:42,630 But I think where you can really benefit is like the same model 239 00:13:42,630 --> 00:13:48,450 that we do which is educate and entertain 1st and then talk 240 00:13:48,450 --> 00:13:51,850 about your product, you know as secondary or tertiary, right. 241 00:13:51,850 --> 00:13:55,330 It's not the main driver of all your content. 242 00:13:55,330 --> 00:13:59,570 If all your content is for is like buy our product, people 243 00:13:59,570 --> 00:14:01,370 aren't going to be that interested. 244 00:14:02,770 --> 00:14:06,210 Yeah, I mean there's a time and place for information versus 245 00:14:06,210 --> 00:14:07,450 entertain it. It's kind of like the old thing. 246 00:14:07,450 --> 00:14:09,770 I was like, I just want a recipe saying I don't need to hear like 247 00:14:09,770 --> 00:14:13,830 the 45 minute intro about. Someone's grandma and whatever, 248 00:14:13,830 --> 00:14:15,390 like, just. I'm just looking for the recipe, 249 00:14:15,390 --> 00:14:16,830 man. Just give it, Give it to me. 250 00:14:16,830 --> 00:14:18,990 Give me the recipe. But there's some good channels 251 00:14:18,990 --> 00:14:21,830 out there, like IBM Technology is a good YouTube channel. 252 00:14:21,830 --> 00:14:24,510 They do like a lot of those whiteboard explainer videos 253 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:26,310 where they're like writing on the screen and kind of 254 00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:30,470 explaining different concepts. And they do a good job with it. 255 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:37,190 Obviously everyone knows who IBM is, but yeah, I heard today on 256 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,440 podcast. So I don't know if you've seen 257 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,040 that commercial where the guys like, oh, there's a podcast that 258 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,920 talks about that, podcast that talks about that. 259 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:51,000 But there's on GTA, which is a video game, Grand Theft Auto. 260 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,320 I'm not sure if you've ever heard of it, but I guess there's 261 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,360 a you can you get into the cars now, you can put on the radio 262 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,720 and listen to different types of stations. 263 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,360 One of the stations is like a Joe Rogan loop. 264 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,760 He just plays Joe Rogan episodes over like there's like 2 Joe. 265 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,240 Rogan Yeah, What it is, it's, it's a station. 266 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,320 I don't remember the name of the station, but they have like 267 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,680 different characters on there. And one of them is like this guy 268 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,400 Laszlo, who's been in GTA radio for, I don't know, years. 269 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,520 Like he's at least GTA45 maybe since then. 270 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,760 So he's kind of been a running thing. 271 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,240 And they have parodies of, yeah, the different. 272 00:15:33,780 --> 00:15:36,860 Shows of the current day, like when they're actually putting 273 00:15:36,860 --> 00:15:39,100 them out there in the game, it's really funny. 274 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:42,900 They're really good. Yeah, well, I mean, people spend 275 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,060 a lot of time on those games, right? 276 00:15:45,060 --> 00:15:48,740 And they're they're very social. I I think what they're talking 277 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:53,780 about with GTA is like, it's a chance to, you know, go and do 278 00:15:53,780 --> 00:15:57,580 all the things you can't do, you know, the behaviors you can't do 279 00:15:57,580 --> 00:16:02,090 in normal life. Yeah, you won't get into what 280 00:16:02,090 --> 00:16:05,890 those are, but they're. There's a lot of options for 281 00:16:05,890 --> 00:16:10,570 Nerdy Wells. It's a good, it's a good game. 282 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:12,490 I mean, I've played it, I've beat it, you know, gone to the 283 00:16:12,490 --> 00:16:15,170 story at least, and the characters are super memorable. 284 00:16:15,170 --> 00:16:19,650 And Trevor is hilarious. If you have ever watched The 285 00:16:19,650 --> 00:16:22,650 Walking Dead, he's actually in The Walking Dead. 286 00:16:22,810 --> 00:16:26,290 Not Trevor like the GTA character, but the actor who 287 00:16:26,290 --> 00:16:28,850 basically does the voice acting for that. 288 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:30,530 So there's definitely an art form. 289 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:33,210 You know, to video games, when they kind of take it to that 290 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:35,530 level where you got voice acting and the story and stuff like 291 00:16:35,530 --> 00:16:41,810 that, yeah, yeah, very cool. So the other news is like the 292 00:16:41,850 --> 00:16:48,010 day this episode drops is the beginning of Octus Octane 293 00:16:48,010 --> 00:16:49,890 Conference. I'll be there. 294 00:16:51,290 --> 00:16:55,530 So I thought I'd go over a few of the sessions that I'm excited 295 00:16:55,530 --> 00:16:59,260 about or kind of like how I'm building my agenda for which 296 00:16:59,260 --> 00:17:02,580 sessions I'm going to attend. And as always, they have like 297 00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:05,819 awesome keynotes at Octa's conference. 298 00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:12,420 So definitely tried to hit all the keynotes, anything with a I 299 00:17:12,420 --> 00:17:14,980 in the title, and there are a lot of things with a I in the 300 00:17:14,980 --> 00:17:17,780 title. One thing that really jumped out 301 00:17:17,780 --> 00:17:21,619 at me on Wednesday was about Ikea's global deployment 302 00:17:21,660 --> 00:17:29,330 journey. And there's a person on you, I'm 303 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,970 sorry, on LinkedIn, Martin Sandron, who is the product 304 00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:34,370 leader I was. Just going to say that Martin's 305 00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:36,130 been posting some good stuff. He's been a good supporter of 306 00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:36,930 us. Appreciate that. 307 00:17:37,370 --> 00:17:39,130 Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Martin. 308 00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:43,410 But I I mean you know, I'm not sure what his what product 309 00:17:43,410 --> 00:17:47,810 leader means relative to this Octave deployment, but really 310 00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:52,600 like to hear how they did that. You know another thing that I've 311 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,080 noticed that popped up a few times in the agenda and I've 312 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,320 been hearing more and more about it is just the idea about backup 313 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,920 and resilience of your IDP or specifically in the in the case 314 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,800 of Octane around Octa. So there's some sessions on 315 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,440 that. We're doing a a party bus they 316 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,960 they're calling it the party bus. 317 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,240 I think it's a lot tamer than the name implies. 318 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,800 It's kind of like we're going to go see some of San Francisco. 319 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,910 And for folks who are, you know, coming to San Francisco maybe 320 00:18:24,910 --> 00:18:31,230 for the first time, you know, it's kind of most people won't 321 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:33,910 go out and explore San Francisco on their own, especially if 322 00:18:33,910 --> 00:18:35,510 you're coming in for the conference and leaving. 323 00:18:35,790 --> 00:18:39,630 The idea of this bus is we're going to stop at a few places, 324 00:18:39,870 --> 00:18:42,910 couple of tourist destinations and let you see, you know, 325 00:18:42,910 --> 00:18:45,310 really one of the most beautiful cities in the country. 326 00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:50,190 So I think you know if you haven't registered for that 327 00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:54,750 event and you're interested, check out my LinkedIn feed. 328 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:58,310 We'll also put it in the show notes, the, the registration 329 00:18:58,310 --> 00:19:01,110 link. But I think it's going to be a 330 00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:06,030 really good time, an opportunity to network as well as you know. 331 00:19:06,030 --> 00:19:08,990 And so if you this is for obviously people who are in San 332 00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:11,470 Francisco at the conference, it's going to be Wednesday 333 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:14,230 night, I think it's like 8:00. We're going to meet, have hors, 334 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:19,180 d'oeuvres and beverages, and then get on the bus and go to a 335 00:19:19,180 --> 00:19:23,220 couple of tourist destinations and maybe like a rooftop bar, 336 00:19:23,380 --> 00:19:25,140 which would be really cool to have. 337 00:19:25,140 --> 00:19:29,780 Kind of like that scenic view of San Francisco, OKA. 338 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:35,420 Couple more sessions. There's one called double vision 339 00:19:35,740 --> 00:19:44,060 which is about a deep look into the partnership between log and 340 00:19:44,180 --> 00:19:48,930 Gov and Octa and overall like government and public sector 341 00:19:49,570 --> 00:19:52,530 seems to be have its own track in octane. 342 00:19:52,530 --> 00:19:55,610 And I'm look really excited because like a lot of like state 343 00:19:55,610 --> 00:20:00,010 level government like Missouri and Delaware and then of course 344 00:20:00,010 --> 00:20:03,730 that login.gov and and how it works with Octa. 345 00:20:03,930 --> 00:20:07,130 I'm really interested to learn about that because that's, you 346 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:10,610 know, those deployments are generally very big and we all 347 00:20:10,730 --> 00:20:14,210 know like how big login.gov is, so. 348 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,520 Interested in those in that session and then the Missouri 349 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,200 and Delaware one as well as sessions on pass keys. 350 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,720 There's at least one on pass keys and you know pretty much 351 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,360 anything. Oh, I did want to register one 352 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:37,120 complaint would be it wouldn't be me if I didn't register at 353 00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:41,440 least one complaint. But the the workforce cloud road 354 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,380 map and the customer cloud road map, they run at the same time, 355 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:48,860 which is Thursday at 1:15. They're not repeated as far as I 356 00:20:48,860 --> 00:20:51,980 could tell. They only happen once and 357 00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:53,540 they're at the same time in different rooms. 358 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:57,660 So, like, I want to see both roadmaps and you know, I feel 359 00:20:57,660 --> 00:21:00,300 like that's weird. Yeah, isn't that kind of weird? 360 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,820 So that's my one and only complaint. 361 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:06,700 But, you know, anything to do with customer. 362 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:12,940 I am all serious stuff. I mean it's really interesting 363 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:18,690 time in in all that so interested to hit as many 364 00:21:18,690 --> 00:21:22,570 sessions as possible. Do the other underlying thing 365 00:21:22,570 --> 00:21:25,090 that I'm going to be doing there is going to bring my iPhone, 366 00:21:26,250 --> 00:21:31,130 turn on my video camera, get a lot of video and then especially 367 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:34,290 I think I'm going to do this in the vendor hall. 368 00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:38,170 But also hallway conversations is try to interview people. 369 00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:43,210 Just, you know what are you here for you know what do you what's 370 00:21:43,210 --> 00:21:45,680 your best experience. I haven't really figured out 371 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,000 exactly what the interview will be made-up of. 372 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,240 But just hoping to spend 5 to 10 minutes with people who are 373 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,880 there and then capture a bunch of video. 374 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,040 And then you know Jeff, you and I all have to go to work on 375 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,400 trying to figure out like how much of this can we turn into a 376 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,080 YouTube video. But I think that'll be, you 377 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,360 know, for those especially who couldn't attend, you know, give 378 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,760 them a little taste of what it was like to be there. 379 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:14,910 Yeah, Octane's not a small conference. 380 00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:17,710 The first one I went to was last year and it's it's big. 381 00:22:18,150 --> 00:22:19,350 It's a lot of people that are there. 382 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:22,350 I think like what, 1002 thousand, something like that. 383 00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:26,070 I mean they take over basically the Moscone Center for it, at 384 00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:28,550 least the West portion of it. So people aren't familiar with 385 00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:30,510 that. It's pretty much the the main 386 00:22:30,510 --> 00:22:32,670 Convention Center in the San Francisco area. 387 00:22:32,670 --> 00:22:35,270 But yeah, it's a big conference. It's it was cool. 388 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:37,270 I I dug it. What was last year's 389 00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:42,010 celebrities? It was Serena Williams, Serena 390 00:22:42,010 --> 00:22:46,890 Williams and NJ. Johnson Yeah, which was a lot of 391 00:22:46,890 --> 00:22:48,650 fun. So I'm kind of jealous because I 392 00:22:48,650 --> 00:22:50,450 won't be there. I will be at a competing 393 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:54,570 conference across the US I'll be in DC while you're in San 394 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,450 Francisco. That's Identity Week America. 395 00:22:57,450 --> 00:23:01,810 So I'm going to be hosting a panel, and my working title 396 00:23:01,810 --> 00:23:05,210 right now for it is Modern Authentication Definitions 397 00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:06,810 Deployments in the Future. Vision. 398 00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:10,990 But I have just a killer lineup of panelists, So I've got Ian 399 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:15,030 Glazer, got Julie Madhu, Sudanan, hopefully I pronounced 400 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:17,670 that right. She's works for LinkedIn, so 401 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:20,710 she's going to hopefully bring some some stories about how 402 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:23,030 they're leveraging modern authentication in the LinkedIn 403 00:23:23,030 --> 00:23:26,150 environment. We got Tim Meyeroff from IRSID 404 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:29,510 Systems. Jeff Rich, who has been on this 405 00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:31,990 show before. He's the executive director of 406 00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:33,910 the Identity to Find Security Alliance. 407 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,800 We got Megan Shamus from Fido Alliance. 408 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,280 She's the Director of marketing. She's also on the show. 409 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,600 She was with us for a few minutes there at Identifiers 410 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,800 when we were recording outside of the the keynote, sort of like 411 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,160 the opening night stuff like that. 412 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,200 And we're just going to get into it. 413 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,040 Modern authentication, you know, what is it? 414 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,400 How do we define it? How are people in the real world 415 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,800 using this? And what are some of the 416 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,760 implications or things that we need to think about from a 417 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,360 consideration standpoint to getting them, getting those 418 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:05,290 sorts of things deployed? And then where do we go from 419 00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:07,050 here today? It's modern. 420 00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:10,250 At some point modern authentication is gonna be 421 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:11,690 considered legacy authentication. 422 00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:13,810 Where do things go here in the future? 423 00:24:13,810 --> 00:24:15,810 Obviously there's a lot of support behind pass keys. 424 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:19,330 Obviously there's biometrics that are gonna become probably 425 00:24:19,330 --> 00:24:21,890 more important. How are we going to 426 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:24,410 authenticate? I don't know. 427 00:24:24,410 --> 00:24:28,290 This synthetic person I think is what we're calling it AI or 428 00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:30,130 whatever the right term is, right. 429 00:24:30,250 --> 00:24:32,810 Non humans, those sorts of things so. 430 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:34,590 It'll be interesting. I'll be out there. 431 00:24:35,030 --> 00:24:38,350 I know I'm going to record at least one episode of a podcast 432 00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:40,710 with Ian. At least that's the plan. 433 00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:43,790 And Steve Hutchison Hutch for people who are familiar with 434 00:24:43,790 --> 00:24:45,830 him. Ian was kind enough to make the 435 00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:50,110 introduction and both gentlemen agreed to to be on the show. 436 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:52,390 So we'll do something while while we're out there. 437 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:54,750 And I'm hopeful that I'll get some others, like maybe Jeff 438 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:58,390 from IDSA trying to get Julie, maybe from LinkedIn. 439 00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:02,240 We'll see if that works out. But yeah, that'll be, that'll be 440 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,240 a good time. So hosting the panel, actually 441 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,360 it's the first time I've done that, hosting a panel at a 442 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,080 conference. I've been a member of a panel, 443 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,440 but this will be the first time being the sort of the emcee of 444 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,160 it and then kind of walking around. 445 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,240 So I've never been to Identity Week America, but I'm looking 446 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,320 forward to it seems to be a lot of good content there. 447 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,680 And when I'm not on the stage, I'll probably be in a side room 448 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,400 somewhere recording something or just walking the halls and kind 449 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,240 of taking it all in. So kind of exciting, what are 450 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,200 the chances that you're going to get a a recording of that panel? 451 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,200 Because, I mean, that's a lot of power players all at once. 452 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,320 I don't know. I mean, I'll try for it and 453 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,160 we'll see. We'll see. 454 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,680 No promises. It's, you know, we can kick down 455 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,200 a fourth wall. Sometimes conferences like to 456 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,160 keep sort of the content to themselves. 457 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,960 I'll see what I can do to see if there's able to get a recording. 458 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,440 But yeah, no, no promises on that one. 459 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Either you have to be there or not. 460 00:25:57,310 --> 00:25:58,830 And that's why we have discount codes, right. 461 00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:00,670 So we probably haven't, we should probably talk about 462 00:26:00,670 --> 00:26:02,350 discount because we have because there's one for Octane, there's 463 00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:04,710 one for Identity Week. America, if you're listening to 464 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:08,670 this on October 2nd, you better hurry because Octane has started 465 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:11,910 and identity work, Identity Week starts I think on the third. 466 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:14,990 Either way we've got you covered. 467 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:17,750 We'll have we can start showing out so these as well, but we've 468 00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:23,230 got so for Identity week America we have Ida C30 that gets you 469 00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:26,430 30% off the conference pass. For Identity Week America also 470 00:26:26,430 --> 00:26:28,630 works for Identity Week Asia, which is happening I think in 471 00:26:28,670 --> 00:26:31,950 November of this year. And then for the Octane one, 472 00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:38,750 we've got a code, it's OKTNIDA C30 that also gets you 30% off. 473 00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:41,990 So kind of a last chance to use those. 474 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:44,670 If you haven't registered. By the time you're listen to 475 00:26:44,670 --> 00:26:46,830 this, going to assume you're probably not going to make it, 476 00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:48,950 but maybe maybe you're local or maybe you're like, oh shoot, let 477 00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:52,910 me hop on a plane to either DC or San Francisco and go check 478 00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:54,760 these things out. Yeah. 479 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,400 And beyond that, we're also going to be at the Authenticate 480 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,920 conference, which will be two weeks from today when this 481 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,000 drops. And we have a discount code for 482 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,120 that one as well. Jeff, do you have that on the 483 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:13,160 tip of your tongue? Yeah, I D AC15 podcasts get you 484 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,000 15% off, get you 15% off. That's the best discount code 485 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,980 available as well as it gives you the opportunity to be 486 00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:27,380 entered into a drawing for a gift bag which we don't know 487 00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:30,780 what will be in the gift bag Schwag. 488 00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:34,980 I'm assuming stickers will be in there, so everybody who attends 489 00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:38,060 the conference will get a sticker and I will also have 490 00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:42,980 stickers on hand at Octane. I know I mailed you a bunch of 491 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:44,620 stickers. Do you still have some left? 492 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:48,340 I do have a few. I was at a conference last week, 493 00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:50,260 the Cybersecurity Midwest Summit in. 494 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,000 Cincinnati area empty. I bought a bunch there, which is 495 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920 a lot of fun. So I'm imagining you as like the 496 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,120 sticker guru. You're going to have like a 497 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,640 bandolier, but just like stickers. 498 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,120 I didn't tell you this, but I got stopped twice by TSA because 499 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,640 of the stickers. For some reason. 500 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,160 They show it up as like a gel or a liquid. 501 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,480 And yeah, going into out of Asheville and then out of 502 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,510 Cincinnati. I got stopped both times I buy 503 00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:22,550 TSA and both times it was because of the stickers. 504 00:28:24,910 --> 00:28:27,310 So I don't know. You know, Speaking of stickers, 505 00:28:27,310 --> 00:28:30,310 someone hit me up on LinkedIn and said we should, we should 506 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:32,350 have merch. Merch. 507 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:36,550 Yeah, yeah, we should, we should have merch. 508 00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:38,350 Well, you you kind of went down that road. 509 00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:41,430 But it I did. But it's like, really worth 510 00:28:42,270 --> 00:28:48,280 like, hey, he wants to buy an IDAC tshirt for $35. $25 or $30? 511 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,960 It's printed in the Fruit of a Loom tshirt. 512 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,960 I think it was like gild in or something like that. 513 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,520 It was a decent, you know, brand. 514 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,640 But yeah, it's expensive to do merch both to set it up and for 515 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,880 it to actually, you know by the time you know, all the costs for 516 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,680 all the different vendors get factored into it. 517 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,440 And even just if you know, I don't, I don't want to see as 518 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,680 like a money making venture for us at all. 519 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,720 We might sell, you know, seven or something like that. 520 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,840 Well, you know if you sold. 700, You probably make like 1000 521 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,960 bucks. I mean, people who sold that 522 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640 merch. Yeah, I mean people who sold. 523 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,040 The vast majority of that merch sale goes to the vendors and 524 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,280 stuff like that. We would get very little if any, 525 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,080 unless we charge an exorbitant amount, which just, I don't 526 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,800 know, just feels weird. So that's why I haven't really 527 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,040 kind of pursued it past that. I'd like to have IDC T-shirts 528 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,560 and put them in those guns and like, shoot them into the 529 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,700 audience at a conference, see if people want. 530 00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:46,460 It sounds to me like it'd be funny if people like. 531 00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:50,900 They don't want it. Shoot them with them, Yeah, they 532 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:52,500 don't want it. They just don't want to be hit 533 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,700 by your your tshirt launches. Right. 534 00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:58,340 Well, go off and buy a You go buy a tshirt gun. 535 00:29:58,340 --> 00:30:00,660 I'll get a couple tshirts, all right. 536 00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:05,420 So that's Identity Week, America. 537 00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:09,740 That's what I'll be doing. You sent me an article about 538 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:13,420 fragmented identity data. It was written by the CEO of 539 00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:15,380 Andy Kite and I hope I pronounced this correctly, but 540 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:20,300 last or Lassie Anderson last. And we did have Brad Lassie 541 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,220 Anderson and we did have Brad Toomey on the show from Andy 542 00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:29,340 Kite back on episode #168, way back at last year's Gardner. 543 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:31,980 What are your thoughts on this article? 544 00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:35,860 I guess can you kind of you know preface it or kind of summarize 545 00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:37,260 it here and we can kind of talk through it. 546 00:30:38,150 --> 00:30:40,710 Yeah. So First off Lasse is kind of 547 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:45,550 like a legend in our spaces in my opinion anyway, he was like 548 00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:51,510 cofounder of Ford Rock and he's kind of like you know the the 549 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:56,030 technical side of of that really understood the platform 550 00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:57,990 etcetera. And you know I mean look at like 551 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:01,230 the impact that Ford Rock has had in our industry. 552 00:31:01,230 --> 00:31:05,930 So you know, very important person in the industry, he 553 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:09,810 talked a lot about I think with this theme which we've been 554 00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:15,530 calling Authorization 2.0, which is really about like expanding 555 00:31:15,530 --> 00:31:19,730 the plane of data at the enterprise level that can be 556 00:31:19,730 --> 00:31:24,610 used for authorization. So you know, to me that looks 557 00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:27,370 like in the past we've kind of said all right here, here's the 558 00:31:27,370 --> 00:31:29,650 data that you can use for authorization. 559 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:33,160 We put it into the authentication store. 560 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,640 Someone authenticates, you pull the data from that, you know, 561 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,440 with the acceptance of the login and then they can go and assert 562 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,400 those authorizations. But I think this authorization 563 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,000 2.0 is to say, well, now there's information out in these other 564 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,400 systems in the organization that we can crunch that data to 565 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480 determine what authorization someone has. 566 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,430 So my favorite example has been you're logging in and then 567 00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:07,110 there's, you know, a system that is for high net worth 568 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:10,390 individuals. High net worth individual might 569 00:32:10,390 --> 00:32:14,750 mean you have $1,000,000 in account balances. 570 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:20,350 So you could imagine a scenario where there's a system that says 571 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:23,030 okay, here's your summarized account balance or something 572 00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:25,190 like that. Or there's some kind of 573 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:28,030 crunching of the data that goes to these different systems and 574 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:32,130 figure it out, do you qualify or not for that authorization. 575 00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:36,290 So I I mean, I think to me that's like pretty 576 00:32:36,290 --> 00:32:39,130 groundbreaking. But at the same time I do have a 577 00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:43,010 concern and I don't think any I've heard anybody else voice 578 00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:47,650 this concern. But my concern is that you know 579 00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:51,650 if the enterprise can be complex and if somebody isn't kind of 580 00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:55,650 coordinating all that and understanding that hey if you go 581 00:32:55,650 --> 00:33:00,430 and change that business system that comes up with that account 582 00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:04,550 balance to use that example that's going to affect how 583 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:09,470 people authenticate and or how people get authorization to this 584 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:13,390 other downstream system. So the the bigger that blast 585 00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:16,630 radius is in terms of where you're going into all these 586 00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:20,430 business systems and and finding data to build your 587 00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:23,310 authorization. You just have to make sure that 588 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:26,950 you don't start making changes in the background that could 589 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:32,430 affect that process because you end up potentially breaking very 590 00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:36,430 important business processes, maybe mission critical business 591 00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:39,510 processes. And so that's my concern with 592 00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:44,430 increasing that blast radius of what is potential authorization 593 00:33:44,430 --> 00:33:49,910 data. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, 594 00:33:49,910 --> 00:33:50,790 right? We've got all this data that 595 00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:54,700 we're collecting and. I think historically we've had 596 00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:58,220 data silos and don't touch my data. 597 00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:00,380 You can't use it, right? Yes. 598 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:04,540 Yeah, those sorts of things. And now that you know if you're 599 00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:07,420 going to become more data-driven from organization, that data is 600 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:08,739 going to be accessible in some way. 601 00:34:08,739 --> 00:34:12,460 Now I don't think I'm advocating for, I know I'm not advocating 602 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:15,219 for things like, hey, let's not put Social Security number into 603 00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:17,659 our IGA platform. That is a roll of hurt that 604 00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:19,699 nobody wants, right. And you don't need it for 605 00:34:19,699 --> 00:34:20,699 anything. There should be other ways to 606 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:23,989 kind of solve that or? Pay information right or things 607 00:34:23,989 --> 00:34:27,150 like that that are kind of sensitive within the org itself. 608 00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:32,270 But taking these bits of data and then making them available 609 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:35,710 to do more data-driven activities like authorization or 610 00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:39,750 authentication or even just driving you know access you know 611 00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:43,469 permissioning to different to apps or even you know physical 612 00:34:43,469 --> 00:34:46,310 things in the world. Hey, because I am in Chicago 613 00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:48,550 today. I get access to the Chicago 614 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:50,429 office, right? Or whatever that may be, even 615 00:34:50,429 --> 00:34:52,820 though maybe I'm. My Home Office is Charlotte, 616 00:34:52,820 --> 00:34:54,139 right, or whatever that might look like. 617 00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:56,179 So I think there's a lot of opportunity. 618 00:34:57,139 --> 00:35:00,420 I don't feel like this is a new concept, but I think we're 619 00:35:00,420 --> 00:35:05,820 getting to the point where the systems are now recognizing that 620 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:07,780 and the vendors are recognizing that. 621 00:35:07,820 --> 00:35:10,860 And the most importantly, I think the business is starting 622 00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:15,660 to recognize that of having that data be available to make, you 623 00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:19,460 know, better decisions. Dr. Automation kind of things 624 00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:21,390 like that. Yeah. 625 00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:25,470 I mean it's a great point. And the more interconnected, the 626 00:35:25,470 --> 00:35:30,270 more dependent systems become one of their, the more important 627 00:35:30,510 --> 00:35:36,030 governance and you know, a good QA process that, you know, 628 00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:40,150 touches all these points and and make sure that we're not going 629 00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:44,070 to break things when we create these extra interdependencies. 630 00:35:44,350 --> 00:35:46,910 I think it's just mission critical. 631 00:35:49,310 --> 00:35:51,310 Yeah. I don't have anything else to 632 00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:51,750 add. That was good. 633 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:56,350 It was a good article. I mean it, you know, it's 634 00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:59,910 important to think about things like that because these are the 635 00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:04,110 major trends that are afoot. They're they're happening, and 636 00:36:04,110 --> 00:36:07,750 we're all going to be dealing with them in one way or the 637 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:10,830 other. Well, basically have the vendors 638 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:14,230 play together because I think the article calls for and I'll 639 00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:15,550 have a link to this in our show notes, right. 640 00:36:15,550 --> 00:36:19,290 We can kind of go read it, but. This idea of interoperability 641 00:36:19,290 --> 00:36:25,290 between systems and specifically identity systems, I don't know 642 00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:27,290 if that's traditionally been a strong point of identity and 643 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:29,130 access management and vendors playing together. 644 00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:32,010 Usually you'll get something like an alliance where you have 645 00:36:32,010 --> 00:36:34,210 you know two or three vendors kind of working together. 646 00:36:35,290 --> 00:36:38,370 You know the together is better sort of story. 647 00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:42,730 Now you've got a little bit more of a converged approach seems to 648 00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:45,690 be happening more with vendors consolidating capabilities under 649 00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:49,050 like a certain platform. It'll be interesting to see how 650 00:36:49,410 --> 00:36:52,810 and if the actual identity technology vendors out there 651 00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:58,090 embrace this and start to, you know, adopt A more open stance, 652 00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:00,330 maybe making API's more available for data, you know, 653 00:37:00,330 --> 00:37:03,530 where necessary and having more of that. 654 00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:07,210 I don't want to say plug and play, but you know, as close to 655 00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:09,450 that as possible where you have like a Lego brick sort of 656 00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:12,770 environment where you know, here's here's a brick that does 657 00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:15,850 this thing and then you know you can easily attach it to this 658 00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:18,010 other brick. That does this thing and the 659 00:37:18,010 --> 00:37:23,010 data kind of flow between and. It doesn't become a, you know, a 660 00:37:23,010 --> 00:37:24,890 secret sauce for a vendor, for example. 661 00:37:26,290 --> 00:37:29,410 Yeah, those are great points. You know, I think the other 662 00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:32,930 thing back to kind of the change control, it's like, you know, 663 00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:37,610 sometimes from mine goes back to when you're you had developers 664 00:37:37,610 --> 00:37:40,250 on staff and they build applications and you'd be 665 00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:43,290 reaching it into the back end to get some of this data. 666 00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:48,490 Well, now it's probably APIs and a lot of cloud services. 667 00:37:49,330 --> 00:37:53,610 Again, you're kind of, you know, if you don't have very mature 668 00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:58,130 cloud services where they have a mature approach to, you know, 669 00:37:58,250 --> 00:38:02,490 iterating their APIs to say OK, API version one, API version 670 00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:08,010 1.2, API version 1.3, but that those APIs don't just all of a 671 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:11,050 sudden disappear. So if you're paying attention, 672 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:15,750 you'll realize that there's a deprecation date for the API, 673 00:38:16,070 --> 00:38:19,390 and when that API becomes no longer available, that date is 674 00:38:19,390 --> 00:38:22,750 going to be no longer available. But you're you're signing up for 675 00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:26,470 that level of discipline when you start reaching out to 676 00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:30,510 additional systems. So you know that as I was 677 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:34,670 reading that article, I thought, yes, like I'm I'm all on board 678 00:38:34,670 --> 00:38:38,310 with this with, you know, being able to make decisions with this 679 00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:42,740 data. It just to me becomes like a 680 00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:48,700 stronger requirement around governance and change control 681 00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:51,500 discipline. And I'd love to have Lassie come 682 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,380 on the show and, you know, kind of talk about this topic or you 683 00:38:55,380 --> 00:38:59,420 know, other topics in addition. So, Lassie, if you're listening, 684 00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:06,780 reach out, man. Yeah, What else we got? 685 00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:09,620 I don't know. Are we going to end on a later 686 00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:12,420 note? I didn't come up with anything 687 00:39:12,420 --> 00:39:15,460 for today so be totally spur of the moment and I don't think and 688 00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:17,300 it's all predictions are my Forte anymore. 689 00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:21,620 Do you have something top of mind for for a lighter note? 690 00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:28,780 Okay yeah. So what is your ideal vacation? 691 00:39:31,220 --> 00:39:36,300 Like physical location like where I want to go or how I 692 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,380 spend it. Give me some more details here 693 00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:43,540 to work with Okay. So if I was to give you one week 694 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:48,300 beginning of January and just say or say at the end of 695 00:39:48,300 --> 00:39:51,660 January, like Jeff, you have to take this week off. 696 00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:57,180 And I'm not going to say that all expenses paid like you can 697 00:39:57,660 --> 00:40:02,340 pay for it yourself. You can go to the beach, you can 698 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:06,740 go international or domestic, you can go to the mountains, you 699 00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:09,580 could do a staycation and like catch up on things. 700 00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:10,980 What? What is it? 701 00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:13,300 And maybe that lowers your stress level. 702 00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:16,260 What would you do with your week? 703 00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:24,140 Wow, I have no idea. I feel like I would want to go 704 00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:25,740 somewhere that I haven't been to. 705 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:30,100 I've always wanted to go, for example for like Tokyo, but I 706 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:31,980 don't think a week is long enough to do that. 707 00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:34,580 I think I'd want to spend more time there. 708 00:40:34,580 --> 00:40:37,650 Maybe something like? Norway or Sweden or something 709 00:40:37,650 --> 00:40:38,970 like that would be very cool as well. 710 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:42,410 But the realist to me is probably I'll probably just stay 711 00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:49,810 at home, catch up on sleep and play with my dogs and watch TV 712 00:40:49,810 --> 00:40:52,130 and and eat more like crap than I usually do. 713 00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:55,490 So if there's two weeks, what would you do to like? 714 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:56,610 Well, actually. Two weeks. 715 00:40:56,610 --> 00:40:59,290 I might go somewhere kind of exotic, you know, I guess 716 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,970 compared to domestic US or something like that. 717 00:41:01,970 --> 00:41:05,090 But my favorite vacations are the one where I don't have a 718 00:41:05,090 --> 00:41:07,760 plan. It's just, hey, this is, we're 719 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,360 in this location. We don't actually have to like, 720 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,520 you know, be here by this o'clock and then over here at 721 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,240 this time and then over there at that time. 722 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,480 I'm more of a casual kind of free spirit, especially on 723 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,080 vacation. I do like the adventure 724 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,200 vacations. I also like to sewing your butt 725 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,320 vacations. I tend to like warm weather over 726 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,270 cold weather. So I think I would like to to 727 00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:36,430 go, you know, it's it's interesting now that I said that 728 00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:41,150 I say that one thing that you mentioned was Scandinavia. 729 00:41:41,470 --> 00:41:44,750 I've always wanted to check out those cultures, but I would want 730 00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:48,550 to go in the summer as I think like they do like these really 731 00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:51,870 weird parties in some of the big cities where like everybody goes 732 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:55,190 down the street and they have like these big dance parties. 733 00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:58,910 So I saw this, this video and this one of, like my rabbit 734 00:41:58,910 --> 00:42:01,420 holes. And the YouTube world was like, 735 00:42:01,420 --> 00:42:04,020 I just watch these documentaries like it'll suggest a 736 00:42:04,020 --> 00:42:06,020 documentary. It's like, Oh yeah, I want to 737 00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,540 learn that or find out about that. 738 00:42:08,820 --> 00:42:13,900 So one was about these these parties that they have in, I 739 00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:16,180 don't know, like Helsinki or something, right. 740 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:21,700 But all the people were headphones and they had like 741 00:42:21,820 --> 00:42:25,340 different D JS. So you know you, you could 742 00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:29,290 switch to channel 1, two or three and based on the one that 743 00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:33,730 you selected, your headphones would turn like blue, yellow or 744 00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:34,930 green. So people would know what you're 745 00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:38,290 listening to. And the DJs would be set up with 746 00:42:38,290 --> 00:42:40,650 the the that color stage and everything. 747 00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:44,130 And like people would like migrate to other people were 748 00:42:44,130 --> 00:42:46,570 listening to the same kind of music and like dance together 749 00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:49,250 and stuff. And it's like that. 750 00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:51,810 We don't have anything like that in the USI, at least not that 751 00:42:51,810 --> 00:42:54,570 I'm aware of. Maybe there's like great parties 752 00:42:54,570 --> 00:42:57,140 that do that. We do have that. 753 00:42:57,140 --> 00:42:59,340 And I just discovered this just a few weeks ago, I think it was 754 00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:02,420 in New York City for something, and somebody mentioned it and I 755 00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:04,860 guess it's called like a silent disco or other things. 756 00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:08,260 But the idea is everybody's wearing headphones. 757 00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:12,660 And yeah, it's, you know, you're hearing music, but it sound, it 758 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:15,740 sounds really odd to me that you'd be like a bunch of people 759 00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:17,940 in a room or a hall or whatever it might be. 760 00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:21,020 And everybody's got headphones on and, you know, I'm assuming 761 00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:23,820 they're dancing and doing whatever, but if you don't have 762 00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:25,660 headphones on, it's probably the weirdest thing. 763 00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:28,650 To just watch a bunch of people doing this. 764 00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:32,010 I had never heard of it until a couple weeks ago. 765 00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:35,050 So I'm but it's definitely here in the US somewhere, but I guess 766 00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:39,810 not maybe in the circles that I run, not in our, you know, 767 00:43:39,810 --> 00:43:43,010 middle-aged identity at the center circles. 768 00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:46,010 But yeah, watching this video, it's kind of weird. 769 00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:48,370 It's like all these people in the street and it's like pretty 770 00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:50,210 quiet, but they're all like dancing. 771 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:54,340 And you know, I don't know to me that seemed like it would be 772 00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:57,020 kind of fun to experience not like something I want to do all 773 00:43:57,020 --> 00:44:00,580 the time, but you know some cool experiences like that. 774 00:44:00,580 --> 00:44:03,060 Plus, I think this countries are, you know, they have a lot 775 00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:05,420 of beautiful aspects. There's so much beauty in this 776 00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:08,780 world to go and explore and and to do those things. 777 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:12,700 So if I had two weeks, I guess I would want to go and do some of 778 00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,940 that. But I will say travels like Uber 779 00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:18,420 expensive. I was like oh next year maybe 780 00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:21,900 I'll make a trip to somewhere in Europe and started looking at 781 00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:26,660 the price of flights and it was like $2000 for you know coach 782 00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:31,540 class which is pretty you know, I mean I don't mind flying coach 783 00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:36,420 but it's it used to be like a coach that were flight from yeah 784 00:44:36,420 --> 00:44:39,780 yeah it it is a lot. But in the summer, if you want 785 00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:43,540 to go in like the prime time, which is when I would want to 786 00:44:43,540 --> 00:44:47,180 go. Well, it sounds like you're 787 00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:49,660 already planning on getting your Delta status taken care of 788 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:52,380 flights like that. Yeah. 789 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:55,500 Well, I mean you spend just as money for it's just as much 790 00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,700 money for, you know, well, I guess the the credit card is 791 00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,340 like 506 hundred a year, but yeah. 792 00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:06,020 Anyway, All right, let's go ahead and wrap it up. 793 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:07,780 For this week, we covered a lot of ground. 794 00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:11,540 I have no idea when I'm going to call this episode because, hey, 795 00:45:11,540 --> 00:45:14,020 you know, I was thinking about the garbage plate the other day. 796 00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:17,760 We call it the garbage plate. Yeah, maybe we'll go with that. 797 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200 All right, well, let's do it. We're on the web, 798 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,000 idacpodcast.com. We're on Twitter or X for now, 799 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,680 until they start charging as soon as they charge. 800 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,560 I'm out, man. Sorry, man, I'm not paying for 801 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,200 Twitter. But we're there now at IDAC 802 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,120 podcasts. We're on YouTube. 803 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,240 Check that link out. Idac dot live Mastodon at 804 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,280 idcpodcast at infosych dot exchange. 805 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:44,260 You and I are LinkedIn. Get a lot of nice messages 806 00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:46,220 recently from folks who've been listening, which is very cool. 807 00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:50,620 People are still discovering us. So everybody who helps get the 808 00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:53,020 word out, you know, puts a sticker on something. 809 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:54,540 All that stuff's greatly appreciated. 810 00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:56,660 That's really the kind of best way you can help Jim and I is, 811 00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:59,380 you know, keep help us keep doing this by having other 812 00:45:59,380 --> 00:46:03,100 people listen. So subscribing and and liking 813 00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:06,220 and thumbs upping and all that good stuff is the best way you 814 00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:09,140 can help us. So we appreciate that, Jim. 815 00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:10,260 Anything else? Or should we wrap it up? 816 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,200 Super secret guest for next week? 817 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,960 We're going to be recording that episode here in a few minutes 818 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,280 and looking forward to that. Yeah, it's got. 819 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,160 It'll be next week's episode. Good teaser. 820 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,320 All right. Thanks everybody for listening. 821 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,920 We'll talk with everyone in the next one.