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Jeff Steadman. Welcome to the Identity at the
Center podcast. I'm Jeff and that's Jim.
Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff.
How are you? Oh, not so bad yourself.
It's doing good. I'm so break down the what do we
call this? The 4th wall or 5th wall?
4th wall Yeah. Pull back the curtain.
What's going on? There's usually 4 walls though,
right? Well, so there's three walls.
Typically when you're talking about like media, it's the two
walls on the left of the one behind the actors.
The 4th wall is the one that you're looking through that
you're not supposed to have interaction with, but
occasionally. We do kick down that 4th wall
and now and we're talking directly to our audience.
Doesn't make any sense in the context of a podcast.
But we just go with it. Yeah.
No, it's well, I'm glad you understood the the whole context
that I was saying because I didn't but now I do.
And just so kicking down the 4th wall, you're in a hotel that's
why you sound the way you do. And I'm at home and it's
Saturday and is manual labor Saturday for me, which I'm not
used to doing. And I'm like exhausted and I
hardly did anything. Let's just be clear, like I had
a bunch of contractors here and I was running around and and
helping them do and I was moving some things.
But reality, I wasn't doing very much physical labor yet.
It's exhausting. Yeah, I'm management.
I choose. I choose not to do that if I can
avoid it. Hey, I think it's a good thing
that you can do for the economy to spend money to spur the
economy on. And at the same time, you don't
have to do those things. So it's a win win.
Yeah, well, I definitely do my part in that case then.
So it's for the economy, let's just call it that.
Not my own laziness or ineptitude.
Yeah, it's it's you being altruistic.
Yeah, yeah, I like that on that. Yeah, I'm altruistic spending
money so I don't have to do things.
So should we talk about the elephant in the room real quick?
We should because it's. It's been bothering me for it's
been bothering me. Two weeks now, Yeah.
So in our last episode we ended kind of talking about NFL and I
went hard on the Bears like I was all in and you know, made
that prediction I think 3 weeks before we started.
Today is September 23rd, so now there's two games have already
passed. Bears look like crap.
Jordan Love tore them up in the first game.
They made Baker Mayfield look like an MVP in his game against
and their game against Tampa Bay.
So just as quickly as I drank the Bears kool-aid before the
scenes the season started, I am back off of it.
This is why you have come to identity the Center for football
picks. Yeah, well, I thought the the
elephant in the room was going to be my pick for the Super Bowl
winner of the New York Jets. And while they did win the first
game, which I predicted, the star quarterback that they
brought over, you know, lost the rest of the season on the first
side of the down. So that's pretty bad.
So did I mention Go Eagles? No, they look good.
I mean, but they were already a favor in the beginning.
And I was also a night. I'm also a Niners fan and I.
Did not pick the night because I thought that was too easy that
they would beat up on Pittsburgh and they absolutely did and now
they are three and oh as of the Thursday night game last night
where they they took care of business against the a not a not
good New York Giants team. So how about some more non
identity news. I mean it came out this past
week that Delta is changing their Sky Miles program, which I
mean, you know, it's just like with football teams, you go all
in on your airline and if they change the rules of the game, at
least they did give us plenty of notice.
But this is a change that will go into effect when like next
year, some of it's the year that's like.
February 1st, just like that. Like their cycle runs February
1st to January 31st. And yeah, I don't know how I
feel about it yet, other than I don't know if I guess you know
if you're a diamond member now. It got a lot harder to become
diamonds, also been a lot harder to become platinum.
But I feel like I'm right on the cusp of staying in the platinum
area. But I don't know.
I mean, the biggest thing for me was they're cutting the number
of Delta club visits to only 10 per year.
Even if you have the Delta Club like Amex card, which is what
I've been using. Yeah, so and then why?
Would I have the Amex card and that's not good anymore is what
I'm asking. There's some other Amex card too
that is not the D1 that somehow you get 5 visits and then I
think you can get visits at the other clubs as well.
So maybe that would be the way to go.
But the the gist of the change is that you know they're no
longer using a combination of miles flown or segments flown
plus qualifying dollars. Now it's just qualifying dial
dollars. My opinion?
Straight, straight cash on me. Straight cash on me.
My my opinion is that so, so Delta is always more expensive
than American Airlines, so they have a lot of competing routes
and I've let's just say I've rarely seen the circumstance
where Delta's cheaper. Now in my opinion, they provide
a much better service and it's worth it to pay more.
But my feeling is like this is to try to push people to book
the more expensive flights. Maybe for business travelers to
wait till the last minute to book your flight, things like
that. Yeah, I mean, higher fares
obviously will help with that, spending a lot of money on the
Amex card. I mean, they're just a bank now.
That's basically what it is, is they want people to spend money
on their Amex, you know, their branded Amex cards.
So if you spend $75,000 on your Amex.
Reserve card, guess what, you get to go to the club for free
as many times as you want, you know all the next year.
But if you spend 74,000 dollars, 999, guess what, you're limited
to 10. So I don't know, it just I'm,
I'm seriously thinking about what I'm going to do not this
year but going into next year. So meaning for the 2024 kind of
mileage accruing season into 2025?
I have choices. I can either go American or
Delta. Those are really kind of my my
only two real choices, living where I live and we'll see what
happens. There's I can tell you right now
the the delta subreddit is not happy about these changes.
I I mean, what do you think? What are the odds that they they
renege or change their mind on these changes?
I don't think there's any chance whatsoever, really.
Yeah, I just don't see it happening because they've
already come out and said it. They're basically following
American. American does this already.
They have a very similar mileage approach or dollars approach I
should say, where it's based on dollar spends.
Now theirs is a little bit easier I think to accrue, you
know, certain statuses. The dollar value amount seems to
be a little bit lower. But this is just where the
industry's going. United is starting to do this as
well. It really doesn't matter how far
you fly. Or even how many times you fly
it's how expensive are your flights and are you spending
money on whatever the Co rented credit card is to, you know,
drive that up. I think they made like $4
billion on the Amex spend of their customers.
OK. So just one comment somewhat in
their defense is so the delta clubs whatever was last year or
something like that, it was absolutely ridiculous.
You get to the club and it still are stand in line.
If you only had, well no it had, they changed the rules and then
it like cleared up right, But now it's a little bit
ridiculous. So what happened?
I think. Just more people flying.
I mean flights are up everywhere.
The airport that I my home airport is Asheville, NC and
every month it's been 25% busier than the previous month for like
3 years straight minus pandemic kind of stuff.
It's just there's way more people flying and.
I do think there are probably too many people who have access
to the club for a reason. But I've never.
I can tell you if having flown United out of Chicago for a
decade, never once had to wait to get into the United club at
O'Hare, which is like they're one of their hubs, Atlanta's
been totally different story. Delta.
Yeah, I, you know, I kind of feel like the other thing is
like the club experience is kind of like falling off a little bit
it the seats are very close to each other.
I feel like the food is still good, but it's not that great.
But it's better than sitting in the at the gate, stuff like
that. Sometimes, yeah, I can tell you
I'm not standing outside of a club for more than 3 minutes to
get in. That's time I'll find just go
find a quiet part of the terminal.
I mean, free food and free Wi-Fi used to be the draw.
Now you can get free Wi-Fi pretty much at every every, you
know, airport. Food's a separate story, but I
don't think the food is not that much better than I would the
restaurant for it. Yeah, yeah, so.
We'll see. Yeah, I guess we'll see.
And you know, I think if I'm actually a little more
optimistic that if enough people complain about it, they may do
something, especially this this bit with the you'd only go to
the club 10 times and let's just spend $75,000 bunch of people
drop their cards, which I'm considering, right?
I wouldn't have considered it otherwise.
But if bunch of people drop their cards, then you know
that's going to really hit their top line.
But maybe that's what they want. Maybe that's how they solve
crowding. I don't know.
But I'm with you care enough about the crowding to.
I don't think that the crowding is a big enough problem that
they're willing to take a big hit to their top line.
Not man. Make money and then we'll figure
out how to fix it later exactly. What else we've been working on?
I've been working on the YouTube channel, so I kind of teased it.
Maybe there's an episode or two ago that I was starting to put
things up on our YouTube channel, and so now we're
starting to get more episodes from our back catalog, slowly
but surely getting uploaded roughly 3A day or so.
Are going up into our YouTube channel.
You can find a link to our YouTube channel on our website
idacpodcast.com in the upper right.
Got a little logo for YouTube. You click that.
That'll take us straight to our videos.
If you just type in IDAC dot live into your browser for the
address, that'll take you to our live episodes that we started
and kind of trailed off and never came back to.
But that'll still take you to the YouTube channel that has all
of our podcast episodes, so. The plan going forward is
roughly 3A day or so to get them until we get caught up.
And then going forward we'll have episodes up on YouTube as
well. So I know some people like to
watch their audio podcasts, which feels weird to say, but
here we are what I've seen. So I I kind of feel like YouTube
is also a streaming service for music and podcasts now where
I'll see people at the gym who just basically stream YouTube
and they can lock their phone or whatever.
I think you have to have the premium YouTube that you can
lock your phone and not going to get hit with ads, but you know
what's the premium YouTube like 10 bucks a month.
I think that's. 10 bucks a month, no ads, and you get
YouTube Music. Kind of bumbled in with it.
So I've been thinking about doing it honestly.
Because you know, I I watch YouTube enough that I, you know,
watching sitting through the ads is just not worth it.
Yeah, I'm very annoying for almost a year now and it's it's
worth it for me because I spend so much time on YouTube just
watching stuff. Yeah, well, I'm hoping that in
the future. So this is my my my plea to
vendors is to put more webinars and videos that you have on your
website, put them on your YouTube channel.
You know, people would like to be able to sit at their home TV
and just watch identity management content.
You know, it's like in your free time, the ability to educate
yourself. And I think you have to make it
more entertaining than just webinars.
And some organizations like Octa does a really good job with
their YouTube channel. Other software vendors are way
behind. But I think that I think it's a
valuable way to get the content out there especially and you
have to follow and you don't have to follow.
But I think where you can really benefit is like the same model
that we do which is educate and entertain 1st and then talk
about your product, you know as secondary or tertiary, right.
It's not the main driver of all your content.
If all your content is for is like buy our product, people
aren't going to be that interested.
Yeah, I mean there's a time and place for information versus
entertain it. It's kind of like the old thing.
I was like, I just want a recipe saying I don't need to hear like
the 45 minute intro about. Someone's grandma and whatever,
like, just. I'm just looking for the recipe,
man. Just give it, Give it to me.
Give me the recipe. But there's some good channels
out there, like IBM Technology is a good YouTube channel.
They do like a lot of those whiteboard explainer videos
where they're like writing on the screen and kind of
explaining different concepts. And they do a good job with it.
Obviously everyone knows who IBM is, but yeah, I heard today on
podcast. So I don't know if you've seen
that commercial where the guys like, oh, there's a podcast that
talks about that, podcast that talks about that.
But there's on GTA, which is a video game, Grand Theft Auto.
I'm not sure if you've ever heard of it, but I guess there's
a you can you get into the cars now, you can put on the radio
and listen to different types of stations.
One of the stations is like a Joe Rogan loop.
He just plays Joe Rogan episodes over like there's like 2 Joe.
Rogan Yeah, What it is, it's, it's a station.
I don't remember the name of the station, but they have like
different characters on there. And one of them is like this guy
Laszlo, who's been in GTA radio for, I don't know, years.
Like he's at least GTA45 maybe since then.
So he's kind of been a running thing.
And they have parodies of, yeah, the different.
Shows of the current day, like when they're actually putting
them out there in the game, it's really funny.
They're really good. Yeah, well, I mean, people spend
a lot of time on those games, right?
And they're they're very social. I I think what they're talking
about with GTA is like, it's a chance to, you know, go and do
all the things you can't do, you know, the behaviors you can't do
in normal life. Yeah, you won't get into what
those are, but they're. There's a lot of options for
Nerdy Wells. It's a good, it's a good game.
I mean, I've played it, I've beat it, you know, gone to the
story at least, and the characters are super memorable.
And Trevor is hilarious. If you have ever watched The
Walking Dead, he's actually in The Walking Dead.
Not Trevor like the GTA character, but the actor who
basically does the voice acting for that.
So there's definitely an art form.
You know, to video games, when they kind of take it to that
level where you got voice acting and the story and stuff like
that, yeah, yeah, very cool. So the other news is like the
day this episode drops is the beginning of Octus Octane
Conference. I'll be there.
So I thought I'd go over a few of the sessions that I'm excited
about or kind of like how I'm building my agenda for which
sessions I'm going to attend. And as always, they have like
awesome keynotes at Octa's conference.
So definitely tried to hit all the keynotes, anything with a I
in the title, and there are a lot of things with a I in the
title. One thing that really jumped out
at me on Wednesday was about Ikea's global deployment
journey. And there's a person on you, I'm
sorry, on LinkedIn, Martin Sandron, who is the product
leader I was. Just going to say that Martin's
been posting some good stuff. He's been a good supporter of
us. Appreciate that.
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Martin.
But I I mean you know, I'm not sure what his what product
leader means relative to this Octave deployment, but really
like to hear how they did that. You know another thing that I've
noticed that popped up a few times in the agenda and I've
been hearing more and more about it is just the idea about backup
and resilience of your IDP or specifically in the in the case
of Octane around Octa. So there's some sessions on
that. We're doing a a party bus they
they're calling it the party bus.
I think it's a lot tamer than the name implies.
It's kind of like we're going to go see some of San Francisco.
And for folks who are, you know, coming to San Francisco maybe
for the first time, you know, it's kind of most people won't
go out and explore San Francisco on their own, especially if
you're coming in for the conference and leaving.
The idea of this bus is we're going to stop at a few places,
couple of tourist destinations and let you see, you know,
really one of the most beautiful cities in the country.
So I think you know if you haven't registered for that
event and you're interested, check out my LinkedIn feed.
We'll also put it in the show notes, the, the registration
link. But I think it's going to be a
really good time, an opportunity to network as well as you know.
And so if you this is for obviously people who are in San
Francisco at the conference, it's going to be Wednesday
night, I think it's like 8:00. We're going to meet, have hors,
d'oeuvres and beverages, and then get on the bus and go to a
couple of tourist destinations and maybe like a rooftop bar,
which would be really cool to have.
Kind of like that scenic view of San Francisco, OKA.
Couple more sessions. There's one called double vision
which is about a deep look into the partnership between log and
Gov and Octa and overall like government and public sector
seems to be have its own track in octane.
And I'm look really excited because like a lot of like state
level government like Missouri and Delaware and then of course
that login.gov and and how it works with Octa.
I'm really interested to learn about that because that's, you
know, those deployments are generally very big and we all
know like how big login.gov is, so.
Interested in those in that session and then the Missouri
and Delaware one as well as sessions on pass keys.
There's at least one on pass keys and you know pretty much
anything. Oh, I did want to register one
complaint would be it wouldn't be me if I didn't register at
least one complaint. But the the workforce cloud road
map and the customer cloud road map, they run at the same time,
which is Thursday at 1:15. They're not repeated as far as I
could tell. They only happen once and
they're at the same time in different rooms.
So, like, I want to see both roadmaps and you know, I feel
like that's weird. Yeah, isn't that kind of weird?
So that's my one and only complaint.
But, you know, anything to do with customer.
I am all serious stuff. I mean it's really interesting
time in in all that so interested to hit as many
sessions as possible. Do the other underlying thing
that I'm going to be doing there is going to bring my iPhone,
turn on my video camera, get a lot of video and then especially
I think I'm going to do this in the vendor hall.
But also hallway conversations is try to interview people.
Just, you know what are you here for you know what do you what's
your best experience. I haven't really figured out
exactly what the interview will be made-up of.
But just hoping to spend 5 to 10 minutes with people who are
there and then capture a bunch of video.
And then you know Jeff, you and I all have to go to work on
trying to figure out like how much of this can we turn into a
YouTube video. But I think that'll be, you
know, for those especially who couldn't attend, you know, give
them a little taste of what it was like to be there.
Yeah, Octane's not a small conference.
The first one I went to was last year and it's it's big.
It's a lot of people that are there.
I think like what, 1002 thousand, something like that.
I mean they take over basically the Moscone Center for it, at
least the West portion of it. So people aren't familiar with
that. It's pretty much the the main
Convention Center in the San Francisco area.
But yeah, it's a big conference. It's it was cool.
I I dug it. What was last year's
celebrities? It was Serena Williams, Serena
Williams and NJ. Johnson Yeah, which was a lot of
fun. So I'm kind of jealous because I
won't be there. I will be at a competing
conference across the US I'll be in DC while you're in San
Francisco. That's Identity Week America.
So I'm going to be hosting a panel, and my working title
right now for it is Modern Authentication Definitions
Deployments in the Future. Vision.
But I have just a killer lineup of panelists, So I've got Ian
Glazer, got Julie Madhu, Sudanan, hopefully I pronounced
that right. She's works for LinkedIn, so
she's going to hopefully bring some some stories about how
they're leveraging modern authentication in the LinkedIn
environment. We got Tim Meyeroff from IRSID
Systems. Jeff Rich, who has been on this
show before. He's the executive director of
the Identity to Find Security Alliance.
We got Megan Shamus from Fido Alliance.
She's the Director of marketing. She's also on the show.
She was with us for a few minutes there at Identifiers
when we were recording outside of the the keynote, sort of like
the opening night stuff like that.
And we're just going to get into it.
Modern authentication, you know, what is it?
How do we define it? How are people in the real world
using this? And what are some of the
implications or things that we need to think about from a
consideration standpoint to getting them, getting those
sorts of things deployed? And then where do we go from
here today? It's modern.
At some point modern authentication is gonna be
considered legacy authentication.
Where do things go here in the future?
Obviously there's a lot of support behind pass keys.
Obviously there's biometrics that are gonna become probably
more important. How are we going to
authenticate? I don't know.
This synthetic person I think is what we're calling it AI or
whatever the right term is, right.
Non humans, those sorts of things so.
It'll be interesting. I'll be out there.
I know I'm going to record at least one episode of a podcast
with Ian. At least that's the plan.
And Steve Hutchison Hutch for people who are familiar with
him. Ian was kind enough to make the
introduction and both gentlemen agreed to to be on the show.
So we'll do something while while we're out there.
And I'm hopeful that I'll get some others, like maybe Jeff
from IDSA trying to get Julie, maybe from LinkedIn.
We'll see if that works out. But yeah, that'll be, that'll be
a good time. So hosting the panel, actually
it's the first time I've done that, hosting a panel at a
conference. I've been a member of a panel,
but this will be the first time being the sort of the emcee of
it and then kind of walking around.
So I've never been to Identity Week America, but I'm looking
forward to it seems to be a lot of good content there.
And when I'm not on the stage, I'll probably be in a side room
somewhere recording something or just walking the halls and kind
of taking it all in. So kind of exciting, what are
the chances that you're going to get a a recording of that panel?
Because, I mean, that's a lot of power players all at once.
I don't know. I mean, I'll try for it and
we'll see. We'll see.
No promises. It's, you know, we can kick down
a fourth wall. Sometimes conferences like to
keep sort of the content to themselves.
I'll see what I can do to see if there's able to get a recording.
But yeah, no, no promises on that one.
Either you have to be there or not.
And that's why we have discount codes, right.
So we probably haven't, we should probably talk about
discount because we have because there's one for Octane, there's
one for Identity Week. America, if you're listening to
this on October 2nd, you better hurry because Octane has started
and identity work, Identity Week starts I think on the third.
Either way we've got you covered.
We'll have we can start showing out so these as well, but we've
got so for Identity week America we have Ida C30 that gets you
30% off the conference pass. For Identity Week America also
works for Identity Week Asia, which is happening I think in
November of this year. And then for the Octane one,
we've got a code, it's OKTNIDA C30 that also gets you 30% off.
So kind of a last chance to use those.
If you haven't registered. By the time you're listen to
this, going to assume you're probably not going to make it,
but maybe maybe you're local or maybe you're like, oh shoot, let
me hop on a plane to either DC or San Francisco and go check
these things out. Yeah.
And beyond that, we're also going to be at the Authenticate
conference, which will be two weeks from today when this
drops. And we have a discount code for
that one as well. Jeff, do you have that on the
tip of your tongue? Yeah, I D AC15 podcasts get you
15% off, get you 15% off. That's the best discount code
available as well as it gives you the opportunity to be
entered into a drawing for a gift bag which we don't know
what will be in the gift bag Schwag.
I'm assuming stickers will be in there, so everybody who attends
the conference will get a sticker and I will also have
stickers on hand at Octane. I know I mailed you a bunch of
stickers. Do you still have some left?
I do have a few. I was at a conference last week,
the Cybersecurity Midwest Summit in.
Cincinnati area empty. I bought a bunch there, which is
a lot of fun. So I'm imagining you as like the
sticker guru. You're going to have like a
bandolier, but just like stickers.
I didn't tell you this, but I got stopped twice by TSA because
of the stickers. For some reason.
They show it up as like a gel or a liquid.
And yeah, going into out of Asheville and then out of
Cincinnati. I got stopped both times I buy
TSA and both times it was because of the stickers.
So I don't know. You know, Speaking of stickers,
someone hit me up on LinkedIn and said we should, we should
have merch. Merch.
Yeah, yeah, we should, we should have merch.
Well, you you kind of went down that road.
But it I did. But it's like, really worth
like, hey, he wants to buy an IDAC tshirt for $35. $25 or $30?
It's printed in the Fruit of a Loom tshirt.
I think it was like gild in or something like that.
It was a decent, you know, brand.
But yeah, it's expensive to do merch both to set it up and for
it to actually, you know by the time you know, all the costs for
all the different vendors get factored into it.
And even just if you know, I don't, I don't want to see as
like a money making venture for us at all.
We might sell, you know, seven or something like that.
Well, you know if you sold. 700, You probably make like 1000
bucks. I mean, people who sold that
merch. Yeah, I mean people who sold.
The vast majority of that merch sale goes to the vendors and
stuff like that. We would get very little if any,
unless we charge an exorbitant amount, which just, I don't
know, just feels weird. So that's why I haven't really
kind of pursued it past that. I'd like to have IDC T-shirts
and put them in those guns and like, shoot them into the
audience at a conference, see if people want.
It sounds to me like it'd be funny if people like.
They don't want it. Shoot them with them, Yeah, they
don't want it. They just don't want to be hit
by your your tshirt launches. Right.
Well, go off and buy a You go buy a tshirt gun.
I'll get a couple tshirts, all right.
So that's Identity Week, America.
That's what I'll be doing. You sent me an article about
fragmented identity data. It was written by the CEO of
Andy Kite and I hope I pronounced this correctly, but
last or Lassie Anderson last. And we did have Brad Lassie
Anderson and we did have Brad Toomey on the show from Andy
Kite back on episode #168, way back at last year's Gardner.
What are your thoughts on this article?
I guess can you kind of you know preface it or kind of summarize
it here and we can kind of talk through it.
Yeah. So First off Lasse is kind of
like a legend in our spaces in my opinion anyway, he was like
cofounder of Ford Rock and he's kind of like you know the the
technical side of of that really understood the platform
etcetera. And you know I mean look at like
the impact that Ford Rock has had in our industry.
So you know, very important person in the industry, he
talked a lot about I think with this theme which we've been
calling Authorization 2.0, which is really about like expanding
the plane of data at the enterprise level that can be
used for authorization. So you know, to me that looks
like in the past we've kind of said all right here, here's the
data that you can use for authorization.
We put it into the authentication store.
Someone authenticates, you pull the data from that, you know,
with the acceptance of the login and then they can go and assert
those authorizations. But I think this authorization
2.0 is to say, well, now there's information out in these other
systems in the organization that we can crunch that data to
determine what authorization someone has.
So my favorite example has been you're logging in and then
there's, you know, a system that is for high net worth
individuals. High net worth individual might
mean you have $1,000,000 in account balances.
So you could imagine a scenario where there's a system that says
okay, here's your summarized account balance or something
like that. Or there's some kind of
crunching of the data that goes to these different systems and
figure it out, do you qualify or not for that authorization.
So I I mean, I think to me that's like pretty
groundbreaking. But at the same time I do have a
concern and I don't think any I've heard anybody else voice
this concern. But my concern is that you know
if the enterprise can be complex and if somebody isn't kind of
coordinating all that and understanding that hey if you go
and change that business system that comes up with that account
balance to use that example that's going to affect how
people authenticate and or how people get authorization to this
other downstream system. So the the bigger that blast
radius is in terms of where you're going into all these
business systems and and finding data to build your
authorization. You just have to make sure that
you don't start making changes in the background that could
affect that process because you end up potentially breaking very
important business processes, maybe mission critical business
processes. And so that's my concern with
increasing that blast radius of what is potential authorization
data. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense,
right? We've got all this data that
we're collecting and. I think historically we've had
data silos and don't touch my data.
You can't use it, right? Yes.
Yeah, those sorts of things. And now that you know if you're
going to become more data-driven from organization, that data is
going to be accessible in some way.
Now I don't think I'm advocating for, I know I'm not advocating
for things like, hey, let's not put Social Security number into
our IGA platform. That is a roll of hurt that
nobody wants, right. And you don't need it for
anything. There should be other ways to
kind of solve that or? Pay information right or things
like that that are kind of sensitive within the org itself.
But taking these bits of data and then making them available
to do more data-driven activities like authorization or
authentication or even just driving you know access you know
permissioning to different to apps or even you know physical
things in the world. Hey, because I am in Chicago
today. I get access to the Chicago
office, right? Or whatever that may be, even
though maybe I'm. My Home Office is Charlotte,
right, or whatever that might look like.
So I think there's a lot of opportunity.
I don't feel like this is a new concept, but I think we're
getting to the point where the systems are now recognizing that
and the vendors are recognizing that.
And the most importantly, I think the business is starting
to recognize that of having that data be available to make, you
know, better decisions. Dr. Automation kind of things
like that. Yeah.
I mean it's a great point. And the more interconnected, the
more dependent systems become one of their, the more important
governance and you know, a good QA process that, you know,
touches all these points and and make sure that we're not going
to break things when we create these extra interdependencies.
I think it's just mission critical.
Yeah. I don't have anything else to
add. That was good.
It was a good article. I mean it, you know, it's
important to think about things like that because these are the
major trends that are afoot. They're they're happening, and
we're all going to be dealing with them in one way or the
other. Well, basically have the vendors
play together because I think the article calls for and I'll
have a link to this in our show notes, right.
We can kind of go read it, but. This idea of interoperability
between systems and specifically identity systems, I don't know
if that's traditionally been a strong point of identity and
access management and vendors playing together.
Usually you'll get something like an alliance where you have
you know two or three vendors kind of working together.
You know the together is better sort of story.
Now you've got a little bit more of a converged approach seems to
be happening more with vendors consolidating capabilities under
like a certain platform. It'll be interesting to see how
and if the actual identity technology vendors out there
embrace this and start to, you know, adopt A more open stance,
maybe making API's more available for data, you know,
where necessary and having more of that.
I don't want to say plug and play, but you know, as close to
that as possible where you have like a Lego brick sort of
environment where you know, here's here's a brick that does
this thing and then you know you can easily attach it to this
other brick. That does this thing and the
data kind of flow between and. It doesn't become a, you know, a
secret sauce for a vendor, for example.
Yeah, those are great points. You know, I think the other
thing back to kind of the change control, it's like, you know,
sometimes from mine goes back to when you're you had developers
on staff and they build applications and you'd be
reaching it into the back end to get some of this data.
Well, now it's probably APIs and a lot of cloud services.
Again, you're kind of, you know, if you don't have very mature
cloud services where they have a mature approach to, you know,
iterating their APIs to say OK, API version one, API version
1.2, API version 1.3, but that those APIs don't just all of a
sudden disappear. So if you're paying attention,
you'll realize that there's a deprecation date for the API,
and when that API becomes no longer available, that date is
going to be no longer available. But you're you're signing up for
that level of discipline when you start reaching out to
additional systems. So you know that as I was
reading that article, I thought, yes, like I'm I'm all on board
with this with, you know, being able to make decisions with this
data. It just to me becomes like a
stronger requirement around governance and change control
discipline. And I'd love to have Lassie come
on the show and, you know, kind of talk about this topic or you
know, other topics in addition. So, Lassie, if you're listening,
reach out, man. Yeah, What else we got?
I don't know. Are we going to end on a later
note? I didn't come up with anything
for today so be totally spur of the moment and I don't think and
it's all predictions are my Forte anymore.
Do you have something top of mind for for a lighter note?
Okay yeah. So what is your ideal vacation?
Like physical location like where I want to go or how I
spend it. Give me some more details here
to work with Okay. So if I was to give you one week
beginning of January and just say or say at the end of
January, like Jeff, you have to take this week off.
And I'm not going to say that all expenses paid like you can
pay for it yourself. You can go to the beach, you can
go international or domestic, you can go to the mountains, you
could do a staycation and like catch up on things.
What? What is it?
And maybe that lowers your stress level.
What would you do with your week?
Wow, I have no idea. I feel like I would want to go
somewhere that I haven't been to.
I've always wanted to go, for example for like Tokyo, but I
don't think a week is long enough to do that.
I think I'd want to spend more time there.
Maybe something like? Norway or Sweden or something
like that would be very cool as well.
But the realist to me is probably I'll probably just stay
at home, catch up on sleep and play with my dogs and watch TV
and and eat more like crap than I usually do.
So if there's two weeks, what would you do to like?
Well, actually. Two weeks.
I might go somewhere kind of exotic, you know, I guess
compared to domestic US or something like that.
But my favorite vacations are the one where I don't have a
plan. It's just, hey, this is, we're
in this location. We don't actually have to like,
you know, be here by this o'clock and then over here at
this time and then over there at that time.
I'm more of a casual kind of free spirit, especially on
vacation. I do like the adventure
vacations. I also like to sewing your butt
vacations. I tend to like warm weather over
cold weather. So I think I would like to to
go, you know, it's it's interesting now that I said that
I say that one thing that you mentioned was Scandinavia.
I've always wanted to check out those cultures, but I would want
to go in the summer as I think like they do like these really
weird parties in some of the big cities where like everybody goes
down the street and they have like these big dance parties.
So I saw this, this video and this one of, like my rabbit
holes. And the YouTube world was like,
I just watch these documentaries like it'll suggest a
documentary. It's like, Oh yeah, I want to
learn that or find out about that.
So one was about these these parties that they have in, I
don't know, like Helsinki or something, right.
But all the people were headphones and they had like
different D JS. So you know you, you could
switch to channel 1, two or three and based on the one that
you selected, your headphones would turn like blue, yellow or
green. So people would know what you're
listening to. And the DJs would be set up with
the the that color stage and everything.
And like people would like migrate to other people were
listening to the same kind of music and like dance together
and stuff. And it's like that.
We don't have anything like that in the USI, at least not that
I'm aware of. Maybe there's like great parties
that do that. We do have that.
And I just discovered this just a few weeks ago, I think it was
in New York City for something, and somebody mentioned it and I
guess it's called like a silent disco or other things.
But the idea is everybody's wearing headphones.
And yeah, it's, you know, you're hearing music, but it sound, it
sounds really odd to me that you'd be like a bunch of people
in a room or a hall or whatever it might be.
And everybody's got headphones on and, you know, I'm assuming
they're dancing and doing whatever, but if you don't have
headphones on, it's probably the weirdest thing.
To just watch a bunch of people doing this.
I had never heard of it until a couple weeks ago.
So I'm but it's definitely here in the US somewhere, but I guess
not maybe in the circles that I run, not in our, you know,
middle-aged identity at the center circles.
But yeah, watching this video, it's kind of weird.
It's like all these people in the street and it's like pretty
quiet, but they're all like dancing.
And you know, I don't know to me that seemed like it would be
kind of fun to experience not like something I want to do all
the time, but you know some cool experiences like that.
Plus, I think this countries are, you know, they have a lot
of beautiful aspects. There's so much beauty in this
world to go and explore and and to do those things.
So if I had two weeks, I guess I would want to go and do some of
that. But I will say travels like Uber
expensive. I was like oh next year maybe
I'll make a trip to somewhere in Europe and started looking at
the price of flights and it was like $2000 for you know coach
class which is pretty you know, I mean I don't mind flying coach
but it's it used to be like a coach that were flight from yeah
yeah it it is a lot. But in the summer, if you want
to go in like the prime time, which is when I would want to
go. Well, it sounds like you're
already planning on getting your Delta status taken care of
flights like that. Yeah.
Well, I mean you spend just as money for it's just as much
money for, you know, well, I guess the the credit card is
like 506 hundred a year, but yeah.
Anyway, All right, let's go ahead and wrap it up.
For this week, we covered a lot of ground.
I have no idea when I'm going to call this episode because, hey,
you know, I was thinking about the garbage plate the other day.
We call it the garbage plate. Yeah, maybe we'll go with that.
All right, well, let's do it. We're on the web,
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Anything else? Or should we wrap it up?
Super secret guest for next week?
We're going to be recording that episode here in a few minutes
and looking forward to that. Yeah, it's got.
It'll be next week's episode. Good teaser.
All right. Thanks everybody for listening.
We'll talk with everyone in the next one.