1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,800 Right in front of me. Dead in front of me. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:08,320 Yeah, between me and the structure. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,120 Because the structure was maybe like 7 feet in front of me when 4 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:17,160 I took a step or two and something blasted me with sound. 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,200 And yeah, it was big and it was close, but I couldn't see it. 6 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,160 Yes, and many children see them too. 7 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,720 About 75% of the world's children today are being born 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,920 with etheric vision. And when your children talk with 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,120 people and have Daydream playmates, the chances are 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,280 they're actually speaking to some of these people because 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,480 these angels or angelic forces or nature spirits as they're 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,120 often called, will often make themselves seen. 13 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,280 The color just drains from her face and. 14 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,040 I'm I'm kind of stumped because I could tell that something is 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,960 truly shocking her right now but I have no idea what. 16 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,040 The deer in headlights kind of turned into almost like a panic 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,480 and I said I've never seen a butterfly like you before. 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,520 I know that the paranormal is real. 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:28,040 Listen. As soon as I spoke to it, it 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:34,320 turns around and makes eye contact with me and then it 21 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:39,960 stands upright. And then it was at that moment 22 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:46,120 that I saw it was like an orange light appear of this row of 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,720 trees then from. This orange light, this thing 24 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,920 appeared, it's wings were actually like. 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,920 Sycamore leaf shaped. And I started talking to them. 26 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,160 I'm like, hi, are y'all the dwarfs? 27 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,400 And I would hear whispers that would say hi. 28 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Yeah. You want to play? 29 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,240 And it wasn't just my imagination. 30 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,240 And I had told them, I'm like my dwarfs. 31 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,320 They like beer, you know? And my dad's like, yeah, sure, 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,320 your dwarfs like beer. And they were holding a 33 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,360 conversation. And his beer slid upwards 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,040 instead of downwards. How the house was tilted and him 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:32,800 and my brothers jumped off. So I stopped calling out Adam 36 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,360 and I'm just kind of, my mind draws a blank and I stopped 37 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,520 behind that tree stump. I'm pretty close to it now 38 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:45,080 because I took a few steps forward and I see this thing, 39 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,280 thing, thing. Thin, thin, thin. 40 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:24,140 Welcome everybody tonight to Fascinating Fit. 41 00:03:25,220 --> 00:03:27,900 Tonight we're travelling to Pennsylvania to talk with 42 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:30,420 Katrina. Katrina, how are things going in 43 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:33,420 Pennsylvania tonight? Really exciting. 44 00:03:33,740 --> 00:03:36,340 I'm looking forward to telling you about some of those things. 45 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:40,180 I'm super excited to have you on the line tonight. 46 00:03:40,340 --> 00:03:43,760 Thanks so much for calling in Katrina. 47 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,240 What I like to do at the start of every show is I will spend 48 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,880 about one minute right now, if it's OK with you, kind of just 49 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,680 giving you the the bumpers on the bowling alley for how I do 50 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,360 things. That sounds great. 51 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Cool. Thanks for that opportunity. 52 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,880 The first thing that I like to make sure everyone understands, 53 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,240 and that's for you and for anyone dropping in here the 54 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 first time, because you never know who's who's dropping by. 55 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,600 The emphasis in the show is not about convincing me of anything 56 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,320 or convincing anybody of anything for that matter. 57 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,839 I believe you. And because I've been initiated 58 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,640 into the strange nature of reality, I know that these 59 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,720 events can sometimes defy explanation. 60 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,600 And so you know that having that emphasis to convince detracts 61 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,560 from really getting into the details of the story a lot of 62 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,400 the time. So just know that you're in 63 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,320 friendly company and it's not a gotcha moment kind of show. 64 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Thank you. The other thing to say is it's 65 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,760 brave to come on the show. I mean, talking about paranormal 66 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,400 subject matter, talking about encounters with cryptids, 67 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:56,920 talking about ghosts, fairies, all this stuff can bring with it 68 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,040 a type of stigma. And you know, I do keep everyone 69 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,400 anonymous who comes on the show, but nonwithstanding, it's still 70 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,120 nerve racking to do it. And I've like, you know, told my 71 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,560 story a number of times in a public or more public setting. 72 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,280 So I know it takes bravery to come on the show, and I just 73 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,040 want to acknowledge that and thank you for that right here at 74 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,880 the top of the. OK, I I don't feel like it takes 75 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,600 much courage. I feel like it's becoming more 76 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,800 mainstream to talk about these things and that we all need to 77 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,480 share our experiences so that when something unusual happens 78 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,440 to somebody, like you were sharing with me before our 79 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,280 interview, they need to be able to find that somebody else has 80 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:46,680 experienced that too. That's a huge part of why I do 81 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,040 this show. And that was spoken like a true 82 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,600 brave person. Well done. 83 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,520 The final thing I say at the start of the show is for, you 84 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,800 know, maximum comfort for the guest. 85 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,960 I like to just sort of kick back and let you have a lot of time 86 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,000 and space. I'm interested in most aspects 87 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,080 of what has occurred up to and including who I'm talking to. 88 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,080 So feel free to ease myself and the audience into things like 89 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,720 let me know what kind of interest you might have had in 90 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,880 the subject matter that you're about to delve into beforehand. 91 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,480 Tell me a little bit about yourself, that sort of stuff. 92 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,200 And then just as you feel comfortable, you know, what were 93 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,120 you doing that day? And, and walk us into the event 94 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,920 when you're done. I'll ask questions, you know, 95 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,160 when you're naturally finished your storytelling. 96 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,680 I'll not leave you hanging there at all, you know, and, and we'll 97 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,760 pretty much take it from there, which, you know, makes, makes it 98 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,760 the format of the show. Sounds great. 99 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,920 It's funny, it's been a couple months since I've laid down new 100 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,960 episodes, and I recognize I was a little rusty on the handoff 101 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,280 there, but we'll do it. We'll do our best. 102 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,760 No, it sounds great. Well, thanks for that, that 103 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,400 grace, as I fumble with a unusual, you know, fumble to 104 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,000 hand off to the guest. Usually I'm pretty good at this 105 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,680 part. What I'll say here is this is if 106 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,560 you'd be so kind and you can sort of walk us into that, that 107 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,080 would be really greatly appreciated. 108 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,680 Sure. So first of all, I thank you for 109 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,080 having me on your show. I've listened to some of your 110 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,520 other interviews and I can tell that you're a safe place to 111 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,520 share some of the stories I'd like to talk about today. 112 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,560 And like we were talking about before the interview, I love 113 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,920 that you're providing a place for people to come when they've 114 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,840 had an unusual experience and to hear the others have also 115 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,960 experienced something. Because it does change you when 116 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,000 something that you can't explain occurs. 117 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,880 And it's comforting to know the other people have thought that 118 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,880 too. So that being said, I grew up in 119 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:04,200 the 1970s in New Jersey. And at that time there were some 120 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Bigfoot sightings that were being reported in the 121 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,800 newspapers. And it was when they just 122 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:15,240 started using that term Bigfoot. And my dad was kind of 123 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,320 interested in things like this. And he would, he would clip out 124 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,880 the articles and read them to me. 125 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:27,000 And we were in the woods a lot. And he would tease me when we 126 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,480 were in the woods. Oh, watch out. 127 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,960 Bigfoot might be over that way, you know? 128 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,080 Oh, do you smell any rotten eggs? 129 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,640 And it was always kind of a game between us. 130 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,960 But I think we both believed. Does that make sense? 131 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,880 It does make sense. So Fast forward through many 132 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,040 decades. I had a very unusual experience 133 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,960 last weekend that I do want to tell you about that I do think 134 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,560 involved Bigfoot. But before I get into that, 135 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,320 would it be OK if I told you about an experience that I also 136 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,960 think was Bigfoot related a few years ago, also in Pennsylvania? 137 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,560 Yeah, starting back chronologically is a great way 138 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,280 to approach it. Please do that. 139 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,880 That would be great. And then if we have time and if 140 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,000 you feel like your listeners would still be interested, I was 141 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,880 living in Key West, FL for a few years and I gave ghost tours and 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,040 I had some very unusual paranormal activity inside a 143 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,560 certain building in Key West. And I also lived in a house 144 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,640 where I believe the original owner was still very much 145 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,040 present and performed some poltergeist activity. 146 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,440 So prompt me at the end if you still want to hear those 147 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,520 stories, OK? Oh, we're going to make time for 148 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,400 all of that tonight. I'm locked in. 149 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,880 No rush at all. Well, you're being very 150 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,360 generous. Thank you so much. 151 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:53,320 So, as I said, I lived in Key West, and I decided to come back 152 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,680 to Pennsylvania after I was there a few years, but I needed 153 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,720 some transitional housing because I just wasn't sure 154 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,360 exactly what town I wanted to come back to. 155 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,400 My family's not here except for my adult children, so it wasn't 156 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,240 like I had a family home to go back to. 157 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,360 I had to find my own apartment so I stayed at an Airbnb in 158 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,320 Lancaster County and it was a beautiful property. 159 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:24,480 It was built about 15 years ago. It's a 3500 square foot home and 160 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,960 it's built right below a ridgeline that goes up a hill 161 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,080 about a mile and also itself to 700 feet up off road, straight 162 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,920 up a hill. And there are two homes between 163 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,720 it and the road. So pretty secluded and 10 acres 164 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,720 of woods are behind it. So I, I fell in love with it 165 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,320 because I love the woods. And I stayed for a couple months 166 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,520 and started looking for an apartment And there were some 167 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,360 other people lodging there as well long term. 168 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:02,160 And the woman that owned it, kind of my grandmother would 169 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,920 have called her a tough cookie. You know, she was kind of kind 170 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:11,000 of a cranky older woman and I, I don't know, I never felt it at 171 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,360 peace inside the house. And I always thought it was sort 172 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,760 of her demeanour that kept it from being a peaceful 173 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,560 environment. And she, she left for Florida 174 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:25,840 for two months. The last two months I was there 175 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,280 and there were still other people there and I felt 176 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,080 comfortable. I felt safe. 177 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,000 I liked going out, you know, outside and enjoying a little 178 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,240 bit of the woods and so forth. And then those two people left, 179 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:44,920 and I was alone in this rather secluded, really large home. 180 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,640 And I started to feel like I was being watched. 181 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,760 And I couldn't imagine who would be all the way back in that 182 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,920 area. And it was January. 183 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,840 So it's not like people, you know, like some homeless person 184 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,480 or somebody was lurking around the house looking in windows and 185 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,240 the main, the way the house was built, you know, the main level 186 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,760 was up off the ground. So anything watching me would 187 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:18,320 have been really big and tall. And, you know, I just, I just 188 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,200 chalked it up to being nervous about being alone in a big home. 189 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,800 And one night I had, you know, I was woken up out of a dead sleep 190 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,000 because something banged on the on the House on the other side 191 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,480 of where my bed was. And this is an enormous house, 192 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,840 very solidly built, not like a cabin in the woods. 193 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,880 So for something to bang on the side of the house loud enough to 194 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,720 wake me up out of a dead sleep, I don't even know what that 195 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,480 would be. So I was kind of on edge. 196 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:56,240 And the next day I noticed that when the sun went down, the, the 197 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,520 hair on my arms was up, the hair on the back of my neck was up. 198 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,280 And I'm like, what am I reacting to? 199 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,560 So I'm a Christian woman, you know, I started praying 200 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:11,040 throughout the house. I put on praise and worship 201 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,440 music on the TV's around the house, and I put on some extra 202 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,040 lights. And then I called some friends 203 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,200 and I said, would you pray for me? 204 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,520 I'm alone in this house tonight, and I don't feel safe. 205 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,760 And the more I prayed and the more I was prayed for, the more 206 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,640 afraid I became. And that doesn't really make 207 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,040 sense, right? I, I got through the night and I 208 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,080 just felt very uncomfortable the next day. 209 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,720 So the woman that had left her daughter, who was in her 40s and 210 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,480 had grown up on the property, she lived nearby. 211 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,360 And she was kind of, you know, looking in as a caretaker. 212 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,680 And I called her on the phone and I said, does your mother 213 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:54,360 have any enemies? Because I feel like there's 214 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,160 somebody are hanging around this house at night watching me, and 215 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,040 I don't feel safe. I feel afraid. 216 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,680 And I'm not a fearful person, not at all. 217 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,640 And the woods are my comfort zone. 218 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,400 So this house that backs up to the woods, I shouldn't feel 219 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,600 afraid at all. And the daughter was there with 220 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,960 her husband on the other end of the phone, and she's talking to 221 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 me a little bit. And I hear him saying something 222 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,920 in the background and she's shushing him. 223 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,800 And then I hear him say, tell her about the Yeti. 224 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,400 I said, did he just say Yeti? And she said, yeah. 225 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,840 She said when I grew up, we didn't have the house on the 226 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,920 property yet. We were living in a trailer 227 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,400 until we built the house. And she said 30 years earlier, 228 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:45,280 when she was 10 years old, she had been sleeping outside on the 229 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:50,040 front deck with her brother and woke up in the middle of the 230 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,240 night and there was a Bigfoot standing over them. 231 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,400 And they ran into the house and they talked about it in the 232 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,920 morning and then didn't talk about it for a very long time. 233 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,480 So she said, I was just figured that there's one lurking around 234 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,280 somewhere, but I never thought to tell anybody. 235 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,480 And I said, well, believe it or not, that's kind of what I was 236 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:17,280 thinking might be bothering me. So the next night was worse and 237 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,480 I knew I couldn't stay anymore so I moved out the next day. 238 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,840 So interesting. So it it's interesting too, just 239 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,800 the way that you describe the houses billed as being up and 240 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,760 off. I do believe that human beings 241 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,840 inherently possess the ability to know when they're being 242 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,360 washed. I think that's a real skill set 243 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,480 we possess, yes. And I think each of us 244 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:51,160 distinctly knows that feeling. And here's the thing, I went out 245 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,880 the next morning looking for evidence. 246 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,760 I'm like, something kept me up half the night, scared to death 247 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,320 it. I'm not a fearful person. 248 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,120 Nothing like this had ever happened to me before. 249 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,200 I did see something that could have been a footprint underneath 250 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,680 the window. I'll never know for sure because 251 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,440 it wasn't firmly outlined. And there's still that part of 252 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,960 my mind that says, oh, you know, I was stepping around that area 253 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,120 feed, you know, adding food to the bird feeder that's right 254 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,800 there. You know, my foot could have 255 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,120 slipped. So you know the mind wants to 256 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,200 fill in things and make them logical. 257 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,720 What do you make of the? What do you make of the feeling 258 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:44,600 of fear increasing as you were getting engagement on prayer? 259 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,760 I'm curious. Yeah, I'm really, I'm really 260 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,280 glad that you asked me about that. 261 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,800 My sense at the time and in talking with some of my friends 262 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,040 sense is that something was feeding off of my fear. 263 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,160 It's interesting. Do you think that that and not 264 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,440 that you know, but do you think that that would be the one in 265 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,040 the same that was causing the fear? 266 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,560 Yeah, yeah. I think I was a victim of 267 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,359 infrasound. I think I was being pushed from 268 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,599 the house, and I don't know if it was Bigfoot, but I think 269 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,400 there was some kind of entity, maybe even something demonic 270 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,160 that wanted me out of that house for some reason. 271 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,920 And maybe while there were other people in the house, I didn't 272 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:35,080 feel it. But when I was alone and more 273 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:43,680 attuned, real hypersensitive, but whatever, whatever was was 274 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,480 hanging around wanted me out was how I felt. 275 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,360 So I actually called the lay on door at 10:30 at night and said 276 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:55,640 I'm feeling really uncomfortable in the house tonight and I'm 277 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:01,920 afraid I don't have a car right now and your truck is in the 278 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,080 garage. Can I just use your pick up and 279 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,800 and just drive down the road and stay at a hotel? 280 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,360 And she said no. She said I took the insurance 281 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:15,240 off the truck when I came down to Florida for the winter. 282 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,800 So no. And I regret to this day that I 283 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,360 even called and asked for permission. 284 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,840 I think I should have just taken the truck. 285 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,840 Yeah, in life, sometimes asking forgiveness is better than 286 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,000 asking for permission. Truly. 287 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,320 But who knows what would have happened if I had, you know, 288 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,720 opened that garage door and pulled the truck out? 289 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,720 I mean, would there have been something in the big driveway 290 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,320 that would have wanted to hurt me? 291 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,160 I mean, I, I don't know, there was such a war going on within 292 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,640 myself. Should I stay in the house or 293 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,280 should I, should I leave? And just to give you an idea of 294 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:00,640 how afraid I was, I hold myself up in my my room that I was 295 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,720 renting and move the dresser in front of the door. 296 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,200 And I, I pulled the shades and I put myself in the corner with 297 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,280 the Bible on my lap. And I just figured, well, if 298 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,160 anything can get in the house, they're going to have to get 299 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,080 through that dresser and I'm going to be climbing out the 300 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,520 window before that happens. A lot is coming up for me as I 301 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,840 listen to you. You know, one of the privileges, 302 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,840 I guess, that I'm allowed listening to so many people is I 303 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,280 feel like I get a really good sense for people when I listen 304 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,120 to them the way that I do. You don't strike me as a person 305 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:43,080 who is afraid of anything. I just don't pick that up from 306 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,000 you. No, I'm not. 307 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,840 I'm a journalist by trade and I write about City Hall and I 308 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,280 write about corruption and crime and I've been a police reporter. 309 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,320 I've been in some really dicey situations and nothing throws 310 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,560 me. This scared the shit out of me. 311 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,360 You absolutely remind me of somebody I know who used to be a 312 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,760 mortician and coroner. With the ability to just say 313 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,240 like, yeah, that doesn't bother me. 314 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,600 I can look at that and be in the presence of that. 315 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,120 And it's not that I have no emotions or anything, it's just 316 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:17,480 that I'm able to handle it. Nope, I'm the same way. 317 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,960 Voices are so interesting. I could almost do a separate 318 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:30,000 show on voices because I feel like a person's personality is 319 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,120 very reflected in in voice, Almost like you could say like 320 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:37,320 if you looked at a bunch of pictures and you say these two 321 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,840 people look alike, there is absolutely sound alike voices 322 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:48,120 that match like personalities very, very closely. 323 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,560 And I'll just leave that hanging out there in the air for further 324 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,320 speculation on another show, but. 325 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 So I want to touch on something else that you had said leading 326 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,360 up to the interview, and I had touched on a little bit was that 327 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:03,440 people, when they have something unusual happen, want to know 328 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,560 that other people did, too. I caught the Bigfoot Research 329 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,040 Society in Pennsylvania while all this was going on. 330 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,080 And I'm like, could there be a Bigfoot? 331 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,800 Could that be what I'm experiencing? 332 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,040 Because I was trying to make sense of it. 333 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,520 And I was going back to all those stories my dad read me, 334 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,040 and I'd always been curious. And they're like, well, who 335 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,600 knows? I mean, it could be, are you 336 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,520 alone? And I'm like, yeah, I'm alone. 337 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,120 Can they get in the house? Yeah, they can get in the house. 338 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,120 And I'm like, oh, that's not good. 339 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,760 And I'm trying to actually visualize if something as big as 340 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,640 a Bigfoot could fit in the doorways. 341 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,400 That was why I barricaded myself in the bedroom. 342 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,560 But in the course of that, I spoke to Timothy Renner in York, 343 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:56,200 PA, who's written 20 different books on the paranormal in in 344 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,200 Lancaster County and the surrounding areas and started 345 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,280 learning more about what other people had experienced. 346 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,800 And he's like, yeah, that sounds like it could have been a 347 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Bigfoot. So that's why I'm happy to share 348 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,800 my story because I can't say for sure that that's what it was. 349 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,240 But I know something really strange happened. 350 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,280 And that way, if other people are listening and they've had 351 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800 something strange happen, they know they're not alone. 352 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Truly, truly fascinating. I keep coming back to that 353 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,320 increasing sense of fear as you were looking for spiritual 354 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,320 support and just doing other things to kind of, you know, 355 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,000 alleviate your tension. Well, I think that I think that 356 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,760 it was inflaming whatever was surrounding me. 357 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,680 I that's why I think there was something demonic going on 358 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,680 because I've actually witnessed on three different occasions 359 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,760 somebody releasing A demonic spirit out of themselves. 360 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,240 I belong to a Pentecostal church and been a part of the prayer 361 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,520 team praying over somebody when a demonic entity came out of 362 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,520 them. And you have to pray a certain 363 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,800 way, and you know, the prayer has to be bigger than the 364 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,800 demonic. And I had 100 people praying for 365 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,760 me. I had tapped into a prayer line 366 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,240 online. So I don't know, maybe it wasn't 367 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,920 big enough to cast out whatever was around me. 368 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,600 But again, I felt like something was feeding off of me, so maybe 369 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,160 it was interfering with me as well. 370 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,240 I don't know if that's making sense. 371 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:40,800 I'm just saying what I've experienced. 372 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,320 That makes perfect sense. You're fascinating to talk to 373 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:52,640 you because there's often, I think, a hold on, Let me just 374 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,520 collect my thoughts 'cause I want to say this correctly. 375 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,240 It's something I always wrestle with, this particular one. 376 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,800 Sometimes there's this like tendency to feel like a 377 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:06,120 Christian fundamental belief system is in direct opposition 378 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,560 to the allowance for the existence of things like 379 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,400 bigfoots or fairies or etcetera. I I I agree. 380 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,880 I and all I can say is I'm a spiritual person. 381 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,200 I love the Lord Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. 382 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,520 But I think it's my spiritual nature that allows me to have a 383 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,080 relationship with Jesus and to know the Holy Spirit and to also 384 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,520 pray over people and understand that they've got a demonic 385 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,520 entity and it's got to be released. 386 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,600 So it's the spiritual in this in May that allows for all of that. 387 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320 I, I want to make sure that you don't misunderstand my statement 388 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,840 there, because I'm trying to offer a, a real compliment and 389 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,320 an acknowledgement of something that I always kind of have as a 390 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,720 pet peeve, which is I think that people discount religious types 391 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,240 in when it comes to paranormal subject matter. 392 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,920 Because there's kind of like this feeling like, oh, the 393 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,880 paranormal truths are the truths and everything else has been a 394 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,880 big lie keeping us from those truths. 395 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,080 I don't think they're they're separate at all. 396 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,760 I think that what you're talking about it mirrors what I actually 397 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,840 think the real structure of the world is, which is it's a it's a 398 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,480 both physical and spiritual plane in which the forces of 399 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,720 good and evil are constantly, Yep, in battle. 400 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,200 Yep, I I agree. I think my minister would too. 401 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,320 I mean, he's real open minded, you know? 402 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:39,720 And for that matter, I mean, probably part of the problem is 403 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,240 that in certain sections of Christian faith, there's a 404 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,960 tendency to say if it is not Jesus and God, you know, in and 405 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,480 of itself it's demonic. If it's anything outside of 406 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,120 that, it's a false idol, it's demonic. 407 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:58,400 It's and that may well be true. I think it's a little bit more 408 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,120 nuanced. I think that archetypal 409 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,880 spiritual powers like the Lord Jesus Christ are absolutely real 410 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,200 and may even have total dominion over all that is. 411 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080 Let's hope. You know, let you know what, and 412 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840 I allow for that with no prejudice whatsoever. 413 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,120 At the same time, it may be that it is a little bit more nuanced 414 00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:27,000 and that in addition to creating human souls and animals and 415 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,320 plants and all other aspects of life as we know it, the Lord saw 416 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,480 it fit to create a class of entities that we are talking 417 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280 about. Both good, you know, helpful 418 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,640 little entities that maybe are charged with supporting nature 419 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,800 or supporting parties, for example. 420 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,960 And at the same time, you know the the devil being allowed for 421 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,520 could also be responsible for an equal class of entities. 422 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720 That's what I think is it's it's good versus evil. 423 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,600 So along those lines, here in Lancaster, PA, there's a very 424 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,720 large Amish population. And I did some research and I 425 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,920 came across some information in local Facebook chats about years 426 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,760 ago. I don't, I don't know how long. 427 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,240 Like let's go back 10 or 15 years maybe. 428 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,360 A few of the local Amish farms were having trouble with 429 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:29,560 something big with hands coming onto their farms and stealing 430 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,560 chickens and livestock. And there was a report from 431 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,320 somebody that, you know, had a relationship with, with these 432 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,640 people that had this one particular Amish farm. 433 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,520 They said the farmer came out and found his chickens gone with 434 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960 only their heads left scattered around. 435 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,720 No blood, just chicken heads laying around and the chickens 436 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,240 themselves gone. And they saw footprints and 437 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,320 whatever word they use for Bigfoot, they indicated that 438 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,320 that's probably what it was. And they allowed the family that 439 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:10,920 owned that farm to relocate because whatever it was, they 440 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,040 didn't feel they could stop. But this is the important part. 441 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,840 The Amish refused to speak of it because they feel that Bigfoot 442 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,320 is a demon and if you speak of him, you will summon him. 443 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,360 A lot of people share that perspective. 444 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,520 Again, not to just breeze past it, but you're deeply 445 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,400 fascinating to talk to you outside of just the stories 446 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,080 'cause it's rare that I'll get an opportunity to talk to 447 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,000 somebody who's in possession of this nuanced mindset. 448 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,880 So you're, you're really cool. I appreciate you a lot. 449 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,000 OK. I really mean that actually, it 450 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,560 gives me a lot of opportunity to ask questions that I've been 451 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,560 wrestling with. Please. 452 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,560 So, OK, let's, I don't really have any more questions about 453 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,920 this initial one, but other than just to say again, your great 454 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,120 storytelling is affording a lot of introspection and 455 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,520 thoughtfulness here. So we're off to a great start. 456 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,520 That's the whole point of the show is to get everybody 457 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,440 thinking and not that I'm an expert or you're an expert. 458 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,640 So we're in safe company with one another. 459 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,320 No, we're all trying. We're all trying to figure it 460 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,520 out. Would you like to hear about 461 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,000 what happened last weekend? Yeah, so let's tie the two 462 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,720 Bigfoot stories together and then we'll jump around and go 463 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,960 back to this ghost tour stuff and anything else that seems 464 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,200 relevant so. It it all comes back to my 465 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,560 lifelong interest in and belief in Bigfoot. 466 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,800 It just always made sense to me that he was out there. 467 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,600 So Fast forward to last weekend. I was in Chester County, 468 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,520 Pennsylvania, about an hour from here, and while I was there I 469 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,000 remembered that there was a local park that I hadn't been to 470 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,800 in a number of years. And I love walking in the woods 471 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,240 and I never feel afraid. I'm usually by myself. 472 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,160 I've never had any bad experiences. 473 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,960 I carry Mace because I'm only afraid of two things in the 474 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,680 woods, crazy humans or crazy animals. 475 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,680 You know, like a rabid raccoon coming out of nowhere or some 476 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,880 crazy guy lurking behind a tree. So that's just sensible, right? 477 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,080 But I did go with a girlfriend this time because we were having 478 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040 lunch together. And I said to her, the last time 479 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,240 I was at this park, I saw some really interesting structures. 480 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,720 And at the time, I thought they were lean TOS. 481 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,960 And I thought that they were built by maybe some Boy Scouts 482 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,240 coming in and, you know, doing something or camping. 483 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,520 But since I've started looking deeper into the Bigfoot 484 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,960 phenomenon, I was starting to wonder if maybe there's a 485 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,360 Bigfoot presence there. So she was open minded. 486 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,760 We used to go to church together. 487 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,320 I mean, she's got a, you know, very open mind. 488 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,480 So she said, well, I'll go with you. 489 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,120 This is a former farm that's been turned into a park. 490 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,720 It's 85 acres. And a Conservancy land group 491 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,440 bought it up, I don't know, maybe 20 years ago. 492 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:23,240 And you, if you want to sort of picture it, like I said, it's a 493 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,800 farm. If you're looking at it from a 494 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,840 bird's eye view and you break it into quadrants, 3 of the 495 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,040 quadrants are just big pastures and, and take up probably half 496 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,760 the acreage. And the Conservancy group has 497 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,400 mowed a path around the perimeter and then one path 498 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,200 diagonally across each of the pastures. 499 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,960 So they're big meadows. The woods are all the way at the 500 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,640 end and back up on one side to a housing development and on 501 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,840 another side there's a pipeline that runs through them down into 502 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,320 the state of Delaware. But once you're in the woods, I 503 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,720 mean, you're a mile from the parking lot and you're in some 504 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,040 dense woods. This is mature growth, big Beech 505 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:15,080 trees, you know, some saplings. But I mean, you know, there's 506 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,880 there's daylight coming through, but it's a dense set of woods. 507 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,160 And again, I felt quite at ease. And my friend that was with me, 508 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760 she grew up in Connecticut. She played in the woods growing 509 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,440 up. She's like me, like this is the 510 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,880 place Forrest. So we were enjoying our walk. 511 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,000 And I don't know, we were probably walking 10 or 15 512 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,000 minutes before I did see a structure. 513 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,960 And I pointed it out to her. And I said, see, this is what I 514 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,400 was talking about. And what it was, was some of the 515 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,920 really young saplings that are starting to grow up this spring 516 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:57,680 had been brought together at the top in a circle about maybe 6 517 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,200 feet across. And it looked like an igloo. 518 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,520 It was that shape about that size. 519 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,880 And I pointed it out to my friend, and I said, see, I 520 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,960 really think that this was built by something with hands that had 521 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,560 a reason to create a little bit of shelter in the woods. 522 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360 I mean, maybe it was a hiker, you know, just wanting to come 523 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200 and sit under some tree branches. 524 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,320 I don't know, trying to make sense of it. 525 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,920 But we walked about another half mile and saw a very similar 526 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,760 structure. This one was bigger, about 8 527 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,800 feet in diameter and about 10 feet off the trail. 528 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,840 And she said to me, look at all the undergrowth. 529 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,200 It's all flat and down. It looks like somebody's been 530 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,840 sleeping there. And while she's talking to me, 531 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,000 I'm taking one step forward off the trail, closer to the 532 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,320 structure because I want to get a closer look. 533 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,560 And that is when something very big and very close to me 534 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,480 growled. And then it huffed. 535 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:11,360 So the sound was like it almost sounded like a bull. 536 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,080 And I took a step back right away and I looked at my friend. 537 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,360 I said did something just growl? And she said I don't, I don't 538 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,040 know. And that's when I realized I 539 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,320 felt it in my chest and the hair on my arms had gone up. 540 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,040 I said let's keep walking. So we walked a distance away and 541 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,400 I turned to her and I said, what was that? 542 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,920 She said I I don't know what I heard. 543 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,120 She said I felt something. I said, I know I did, too, she 544 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,840 said, but I was talking to you while you were moving forward, 545 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,719 and then you stopped. I said, yeah, because something 546 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,679 growled at me and made this huffing sound, and it was clear 547 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,440 that I was not meant to get any closer to that structure. 548 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,160 So I took a couple steps back. So we talked about it more on 549 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480 the car. And she's not quite as open to 550 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,880 the idea of Bigfoot as I am, but I can't imagine what else it 551 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,480 would have been. Where did you feel the sound 552 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,280 coming from? Right in front of me. 553 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,160 Dead in front of me. Yeah, between me and the 554 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,400 structure. Can I offer you my take? 555 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040 Absolutely. The Bigfoot thing. 556 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,600 So I do. I've talked about this maybe 557 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,920 once or twice on the show. It's not something I 558 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,080 traditionally put emphasis on because my, my focus here is on 559 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,560 collecting fairy stories. But I'm, I do think that that 560 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,320 Bigfoot is a type of fae in the sense that when I use the word 561 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:49,920 fae or fairy, I'm referring to a, not a, not a fantasy thing. 562 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,040 I'm referring first of all, to a real thing, much like Bigfoot 563 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,840 I'm referring to as a real thing. 564 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,760 This is not a fantasy thing. There's a huge distinction that 565 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,680 needs to be made between fantasy, which is, for example, 566 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,360 you know, stuff you see in movies like Lord of the Rings 567 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:13,320 and reality, which is in fact not much dissimilar to a Lord of 568 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080 the Rings fantasy depiction, but is very real. 569 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,800 And so, you know, getting your head around the fact that the 570 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:27,480 world is kind of a, a place where spirit is animated and 571 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,200 does what it does, which is kind of what we're talking about, 572 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,280 these various manifestations of spirit, be it Bigfoot, be it, 573 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:39,800 you know, religious archetypes, fallen angels, you know, gods, 574 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,680 demons, whatever you want to call it. 575 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,880 There's so many different ways that throughout history, people 576 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,440 have tried to give names to these entity classes that are 577 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,480 not necessarily tangible, but are definitely real. 578 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,280 You know, so I've, I've seen a Bigfoot myself back in the 579 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,800 Pacific Northwest and I've talked, you know, about that in 580 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,280 a limited fashion. Because again, I'm not trying 581 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:11,240 to, I guess to complete my thought, having seen that 582 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,280 Bigfoot, having seen what I initially saw in 2019, having 583 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,920 seen some things here in Costa Rica subsequently, which is also 584 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:25,480 added to my Rolodex of visual sightings with what I feel are 585 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,800 these entity classes. I'm, I'm of the perspective that 586 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,880 Bigfoot is a type of fae because it it possesses many or all of 587 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,160 the characteristics that I also tangle with in the fairy 588 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,880 phenomenon. Being invisible is breaking 589 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,600 physics. That's not how physics work, 590 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,600 right? To our knowledge anyhow. 591 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,200 So when I told you about the fairy coming through the glass 592 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,520 that I saw, I mean, it's no different to me that task being 593 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,160 performed by the fairy I saw or Bigfoot being invisible, for 594 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,760 example, right? One entity might have one 595 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,200 particular trick up its sleeve, like going through objects, 596 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,320 which is fairies can definitely go through walls and definitely 597 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440 take objects out of places and put objects back into places 598 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,400 that are secure. So that's that's a fairy skill. 599 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,880 For example, Bigfoot may well be much more rooted to Earth, but 600 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,480 may also have a type of skill that you know, involves being 601 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,600 able to not be seen. I think both of these things are 602 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,600 explainable with quantum physics. 603 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,040 I think that much like the European Robin has been recently 604 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,560 proven to be looking at the quantum entanglement of 605 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440 electrons with its eye, which is previously thought to be 606 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,880 impossible, that a living Organism could perform a quantum 607 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,160 physics experiment inside its body. 608 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,280 Not only does the Robin pull it off, it's using it to see on 609 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,360 days where there's inclement weather and it does it 610 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,680 perfectly. So if if the lowly Robin can 611 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,320 like look at the quantum plane, see the action within the 612 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,760 quantum plane and use it to make real world decisions to its 613 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,720 benefit. It is not a huge leap for me 614 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:16,400 anyway to consider a entity that is alive like a human being or 615 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:23,240 like a Bigfoot being able to enact their quantum biology in a 616 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,600 way that produces perhaps invisibility. 617 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,680 Or in the case of humans, you know, you hear many stories of 618 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:36,760 these gurus of old teleporting themselves or levitating or 619 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,200 moving objects with their mind. Like all of this may fall under 620 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:47,120 the umbrella of a rational quantum phenomenon, the 621 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,960 explanation of which sort of starts at the idea of quantum 622 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,680 physics itself. And it's many tropes like spooky 623 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,200 action at a distance or, you know, quantum entanglement, 624 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,560 which is really just saying that like, stuff that is not 625 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,040 physically connected reacts to it one another at huge 626 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520 distances. How is that possible? 627 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,280 And, you know, that idea is not intangible. 628 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,680 That's proven. A good example would be just 629 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,400 like sunlight hitting a plant leaf. 630 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,760 Not to get too far off the weeds here, we're still talking about 631 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,720 Bigfoot. We're still talking about 632 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,760 Bigfoot, but. You know the the the photon of 633 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:33,240 light is simultaneously existing in multiple positions at once 634 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,680 within the leaf, which is the only way that the speed of 635 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,120 photosynthesis is explainable. And so the idea of quantum super 636 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,240 positioning or a single thing being multiple places at once is 637 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:49,040 inherent in light. And light, you know, is the 638 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,240 source for basically everything taking place here, from our 639 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:57,880 vision down to all life itself. And that very substrate, that 640 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,320 very stuff, light itself is a quantum miracle. 641 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,240 So everything you know, that flows down from it possesses 642 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,680 that same quantum capability. And you could even go so far, 643 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,600 you know, to kind of dovetail really beautifully with what you 644 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:17,600 believe is to, is to see that that the, the sun itself is the 645 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,640 source of life and it was created And that's why it's 646 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,200 magical. And everything that you know, 647 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,040 lives under that sun is imbued with that magic. 648 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,720 So yes, I do think that Bigfoot can become invisible. 649 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:35,280 And the way that the one I saw moved was so fucking fast. 650 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,400 It was like on a on a railroad track. 651 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,760 It was ultra smooth, ultra fast, too fast for normal. 652 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:51,280 And I saw a fairy move in more or less the same way. 653 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,920 I call the movement like uncanny valley. 654 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,120 It's too smooth, too precise, too fast. 655 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,680 And I saw that, you know, 4 separate Times Now I've seen a 656 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,800 visual that I absolutely believe falls under the classification 657 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,920 of Faye. They all move that exact same 658 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,640 way. It's not quite jerky, but it is 659 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,120 a little bit jerky. And it's it's, but it's also at 660 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,440 the same time extremely precise and uncanny. 661 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,560 So that's my take anyway. That's a whole lot of blame for 662 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,800 me. You're the fascinating one at 663 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,800 the moment. You just got me thinking so much 664 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,880 because like, what I really want to ask is I want to just like 665 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,080 turf the Bigfoot stuff for a quick second. 666 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,480 Tell me about praying over people to release demons from 667 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,760 them as a Pentecostal practice. Like what? 668 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,600 What was? Tell me about one of them if 669 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,800 you're open to it. Yeah, absolutely. 670 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:53,440 About two years ago when I was still in Key West, FL, there was 671 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,360 a Bible study at church on a Wednesday night where the pastor 672 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,600 preaches, but it's it's it's more like he focuses on one 673 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:09,200 passage that he's teaching on. And just as he was wrapping up 674 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:15,480 and about to dismiss church, his daughter-in-law literally ran 675 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,720 into the church holding her cell phone and ran right up to the 676 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:21,920 altar and handed it to him, interrupted him and said, you 677 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,680 got to take this call. And I've been going to church 678 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320 since I was born. I have never seen somebody rush 679 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,760 the altar and hand a phone to the minister saying you have to 680 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,120 take this call. Never happened. 681 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:41,560 And he looked a little taken aback, but he took the call and 682 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,720 he was saying some very interesting things. 683 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,080 What hospital? OK, Yes, we OK. 684 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,400 We will be there. And it was, it was clear that 685 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,720 something very significant had just happened. 686 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,520 He hung up the phone and he turned to the congregation. 687 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,960 It was a very small group that night. 688 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,640 There might have only been twenty of us. 689 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:08,840 And he said, there's a member of our church who's at the local 690 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,720 hospital. It's believed that she has a 691 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:15,280 demonic attachment. And I need one man and one woman 692 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,400 to go with me. And my hand shot up in the air. 693 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,960 I just knew I was supposed to go. 694 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,840 And then another gentleman went. And on the way to the hospital, 695 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:31,040 which was only about two miles away, the minister said that he 696 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,840 was praying while he was driving and asking the Lord to reveal to 697 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,800 him the name of the demon because he had learned doing 698 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,240 this previously, they have to call the demon out by name. 699 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,920 So he said, OK, I know what demon it is. 700 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,840 So we prayed together. We got to the hospital, we went 701 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,920 in and the man that knew pastor that had called him to say you 702 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,960 need to come see this girl, took us back. 703 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,200 And in one of the exam rooms was a teenager that I recognized 704 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,080 from church. She's about 16 or 17. 705 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,840 And she was looking a little scared, a little a little 706 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,920 uncertain. She knew us. 707 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,480 You know, I talked to her a few times. 708 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,280 I mean, obviously, you know, she knew the minister and, and maybe 709 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:27,120 the other gentleman. And, you know, we walked in and 710 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,800 the the medical personnel were kind of milling around. 711 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,080 They thought that she was having a psychiatric breakdown and they 712 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,720 were busy trying to get a room for her at the local psych 713 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:44,920 hospital, and pastor was having a much different idea about what 714 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,280 was really going on. So there were kind of brief 715 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,760 hellos and then he asked her, so what's going on? 716 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,680 And she just said that she had been brought to the hospital. 717 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,000 She really didn't seem clear on how she got there or what 718 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,440 happened. Her mother wasn't there. 719 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,360 She was there by herself. So we are kind of uncertain 720 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,040 about that. Like maybe they had had an 721 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,440 argument or something. And he asked her if she had 722 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:18,040 taken any drugs, if she had had anything to drink or if she had, 723 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,080 you know, smoked anything. And she said no, no. 724 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,240 So he said, well, we're going to pray for you. 725 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,680 And the gentleman that was with us was wearing a very large 726 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,680 cross and just as pastor put his hand on her shoulder and just 727 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,160 she looked directly at that cross and in a voice I've never 728 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:48,000 heard come out of a 16 or 17 year old girl, she screamed at 729 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,200 at the man and at pastor. And I don't want to say exactly 730 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,600 what she said. It was pretty awful. 731 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:01,000 But in a very deep voice, she said, FUUMF, first I'm going to 732 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,440 kill you both. And it wasn't her voice and it 733 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,560 wasn't her. Something in that instant had 734 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,840 completely taken her over. And that was when Pastor really 735 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,640 went into, you know, deep prayer with myself and the gentleman 736 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,880 praying over the situation. And he called the demon by name 737 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,880 and said, come out of that girl. He said, I dealt with you before 738 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,520 demon and another person, another place. 739 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,120 I didn't send you to the lake of fire. 740 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,120 I'm sending you to the lake of fire right now. 741 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:35,040 We're done. And by now, the girls on the 742 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,760 floor, she's thrashing around. We had the door closed, but the 743 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,640 medical personnel, we're starting to look in like, what's 744 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:50,400 going on in there? And then it stopped and we all 745 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,600 took a step back and realized something had been released. 746 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,200 It wasn't something you could say. 747 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,320 It was a feeling that the commotion was done. 748 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:05,920 And she sat up and she looked at us and we helped her up and we 749 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,400 sat around the exam table and she had no idea what had just 750 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,160 happened. It was like she came to and 751 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,240 Pastor started explaining to her that she had had a possession 752 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,680 and that he had released it. And about that time her mom 753 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680 walked in and we had to explain to her mom. 754 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:35,000 So it turns out that they were originally from Haiti and they 755 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,600 were practicing voodoo in their home and it was Pastor since 756 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,280 that they had opened up something and that whatever came 757 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,480 through made itself at home and the girl and she was at church a 758 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,240 couple days later, right as range. 759 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,040 She's had no problems since I've been in touch with her mom. 760 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,880 That girl would have been in the psych hospital and she'll still 761 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,880 be in the psych hospital. So that's the story. 762 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,840 You're a great storyteller. Thank you. 763 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,280 Yeah, no, I really mean that, Katrina. 764 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,720 Somehow, as strange as it may sound at first pass 765 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,640 fundamentalist religious beliefs, Bigfoot, demonic 766 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,680 possessions, fairies, our true nature of our souls, all of this 767 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:36,840 is related subject matter in my opinion, because it all is 768 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,400 speaking to the unseen true nature of reality. 769 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,120 If a pastor is aware that a demon exists and is this 770 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,000 confident in the next steps to take, that's a high authority. 771 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,440 That's a high authority for the existence of that entity, right? 772 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,560 And if, if a demon can exist, then absolutely a fairy can 773 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000 exist and absolutely a Bigfoot can exist. 774 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,760 It's all it's interesting, no? I think all of this is 775 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,480 interesting because we want to make sense of things that happen 776 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,000 that don't make any sense. So that's why we talk about it. 777 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,400 And I, I do want to be clear that with the demonic possession 778 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:24,000 that that I witnessed, you know, pastor was simply an agent of 779 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,600 change, right? He was, he was a, a conduit, You 780 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,280 know, he called on the Holy Spirit to, to pull that demon 781 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,200 out of that girl. It wasn't by his power. 782 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,960 So I want to be clear about that, that it wasn't a human 783 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,440 power that did that. And maybe now we're circling 784 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,400 back to good and evil. You know, good's got to overcome 785 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,000 evil. There was something evil taking 786 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,280 over this girl, but it was the good, It was the light that 787 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,040 pulled it out of her. Yeah, thank you for making that 788 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,760 distinction and my apologies if it's me that misspoke. 789 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,840 No, not at all. Truly did understand that He was 790 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,480 calling upon the Holy Spirit in that moment. 791 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,960 I just hadn't said it for your listeners. 792 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,960 You know what? It's a good distinction to make 793 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,480 for that reason. My observation just that he as 794 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,480 pastor, which is a trusted position in the community, you 795 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,960 know, having this be the course of action that he is determining 796 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,400 is correct, is in and of itself fascinating. 797 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,040 It was incredible. It was. 798 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,640 It was. It was, it was incredible to 799 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:38,680 witness what happened. And the girl is now in college. 800 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,120 She's studying something in the medical field related. 801 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,880 I think she's studying dental hygiene or something like that. 802 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,720 But I mean, I'm just saying she's gone on with her life and 803 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,560 she's living like a normal 19 year old. 804 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,480 I sincerely do wonder, not just based on your story, but it has 805 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,320 occurred to me at other times to wonder how many people 806 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,680 experiencing mental illness are experiencing this type of thing. 807 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,040 I know. And you know what? 808 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:18,840 I sometimes wonder if the psych hospitals almost like if they're 809 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,600 full of people that we might call broken, are those people 810 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,200 almost like portals in and of themselves that attract 811 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,000 something or is it in that setting or did they go in with 812 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,720 it and there, there's a lot to unpack there. 813 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:41,360 There's so much to unpack there and not to veer all over the 814 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,240 map, but this is just a really fascinating conversation with 815 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,040 you. I meant it off off the start 816 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,840 when I said. Oh, this is going to be a good 817 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,520 one because. You've got my mind really 818 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:57,160 working here and although we have differing places that we're 819 00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,640 coming from, I think we really understand each other. 820 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:06,080 So I'm going to offer something here about my friend DK, who's 821 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,720 if you've listened to the show, his music is at the end. 822 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,120 So my friend, he took his own life coming up on 11 years ago. 823 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,160 I have a friend who lost her son the same way a friend said to 824 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,240 her, He ascended of his own way. He ascended in his own way, or 825 00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,800 he ascended of his own will. But it it, it was like a 826 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,880 different way to frame. He took his own life. 827 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,960 No, he ascended of his own will. Fair, and I mean. 828 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,200 A different way to to view it, You know, a different framework. 829 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,480 Words have power. Someone pointed out to me once, 830 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,320 which is seems so obvious. When they said it to me, they 831 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,360 said, you know, like a witch casts a spell and I said yeah, 832 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,520 and, and then. And Pastor, yeah, Pastor pulled 833 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,840 that, pulled that demon out of that girl by the power of the 834 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,520 Holy Spirit, because he spoke it. 835 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,520 Yeah. And someone said they call it 836 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,320 spelling for a reason, in relation to like how you create 837 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,960 words. And I said, Oh yeah, words 838 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,840 really matter. And the word spelling is 839 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,320 actually talking about the act of casting spells, which really 840 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,560 means words. Like literally are spells all 841 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,120 words, but every word is every word matters. 842 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,720 Someone on the show, you know, has offered up the idea that 843 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:32,280 thoughts are things and and that may well be absolutely true as 844 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,200 well. But just back to DK for a 845 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,720 second, because we are talking about these, you know, what 846 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:43,600 sound like effectively exorcisms or demonic kicking out, kicking 847 00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:50,040 a demon out. And and so again, this subject 848 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,400 matter is all related in my mind. 849 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,400 So sometimes articulating my thoughts can be a little 850 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,400 difficult in the moment. I'm going to try my best here. 851 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,200 So I talk about on the show that having a paranormal experience 852 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,880 of any type is a type of liability. 853 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,080 That's why I start the show by saying it's brave to come on. 854 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,360 Part of that bravery is the internal fortitude to just 855 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,440 tackle it. Not everybody is lucky enough to 856 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,960 be strong like you are. A lot of people in the face of 857 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,960 unusual events may find themselves, you know, without a 858 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,000 foundation, you know, because of the change that's occurred in 859 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,840 their perception of, of the world. 860 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,520 And again, going back to my own encounter in 2019, which I 861 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,840 thought was a love filled, light filled, extremely positive 862 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,440 event. I'm going to go with, I'm pretty 863 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:52,400 sure my friend DK was having or had very similar visual and 864 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,920 auditory encounters with entities from the other side. 865 00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,280 Because what was going on for him was he was becoming quite 866 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,360 elated. And truly, this was a person 867 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,440 doing great work, you know, at a high level in environmental 868 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,760 activism. Lots of success in music, lots 869 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,120 of success in public speaking and engagement. 870 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,240 He was touring around, presenting to schools, going on 871 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,800 the news. This was a guy who was achieving 872 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:28,240 his objectives and his dreams and at the same time was able to 873 00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:32,360 do those things because he was being encouraged from a place 874 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,360 that others couldn't necessarily see or understand. 875 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,480 He was always visionary. He was always like, we can fix 876 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,880 it, we can do better. This is our world, like we're 877 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,120 here to be stewards of it. And he, he seemed to understand 878 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,400 the possibility of change and the need for change very, very, 879 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,280 very deeply. And in his music towards the end 880 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,520 and in his life towards the end, he was writing a lot about and 881 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:02,560 talking a lot about the true magical nature of the world. 882 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,040 I think he was using a lot of metaphor. 883 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,120 But he was, in my opinion, and based on the personal 884 00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,280 conversations I had with him, you know, which allowed me to 885 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,520 make this analysis, he was experiencing and seeing a lot of 886 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,360 the same stuff that the people that I talked to on the show are 887 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,160 experiencing. And a lot of the time it is 888 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,560 magical, like objects appearing and re disappearing and 889 00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,280 reappearing or you know, visual sightings like I had. 890 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,640 But at the same time it is psychologically damaging somehow 891 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:39,800 to be separated from the pack. To think of the world in terms 892 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,160 of good and evil forces being real, not just conceptual. 893 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,640 To then start to interpret the events in your day as 894 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,880 potentially being influenced by good or evil forces. 895 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,080 It's it can get to be a slippery slope to allow for the existence 896 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,640 of fairies or Bigfoot or demons like you're talking about or 897 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:05,120 even God itself can be something that is like hard to know for 898 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,600 sure and hard to make sense of. But in the case of fairies, 899 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,760 because it's sort of like a isolated community, not like a 900 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,280 religious community like you're fortunate enough to be part of 901 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,880 that has a real foundation, real institutions and real community. 902 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,560 If you see like a weird Cryptid or a fairy, you're kind of cast 903 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,200 astray all of a sudden and you're like, oh fuck, where do I 904 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,560 fit in? That's a very good point. 905 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,400 Anyway, just to kind of tie a bow on on that point and to to 906 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,680 relate it back to this exorcism that you're describing when he 907 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,880 took his own life, I never sat right with that for very, very, 908 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,480 very long time. I just couldn't see how that was 909 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,320 what he did. And I knew that he was wrestling 910 00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:01,640 with this stuff. But the man I knew was extremely 911 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,320 capable and I just couldn't. I could never reconcile the act 912 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,640 of suicide. And not to trigger everybody, 913 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,160 but I think it's worth mentioning, like how it happened 914 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:17,160 and why it still is hard for me. He lived in an area where there 915 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,880 was a waterfall behind his family home, kind of like a park 916 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,440 in behind there. And he would go and meditate in 917 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,080 this spot at the top of the waterfall every day after work. 918 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,920 And one day he jumped from that position several 100 feet down 919 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:40,880 into into the very shallow water below, which the fall did not 920 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,200 kill him, but he was incapacitated and was in a 921 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,560 shallow pool of water and drowned in six inches of water. 922 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:57,160 I know and this is not. And I went to the scene of the 923 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:03,040 suicide at the top there and there's like a large set of 924 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,520 bushes. That you really would have had 925 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,960 to like get a running start to jump over those bushes to make 926 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,480 that, to get into the clearing where you're now falling, you 927 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,840 know, to clear the to clear the Ridge. 928 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,360 And I just could never understand how he would have had 929 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,000 it in him to just make that running swan dive, you know, up 930 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,280 and over 5 feet out of bushes to get into the clear. 931 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,440 And I, I felt something in that spot that I never could really 932 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,280 articulate this entire time, you know, and as I listen to you 933 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:42,440 talk, I've often wondered like, was he opening himself up? 934 01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,320 And in that process, did he encounter a very similar 935 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,040 circumstance to the one you're describing with this 16 year old 936 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,320 girl? Right. 937 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,120 Did something whisper in his ear? 938 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,000 What would it be like just to jump? 939 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,800 And was that something he was victim to because he was on an 940 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,920 ascendant path, creating a lot of good and therefore was a 941 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,960 threat in that conceptual fight between good and evil? 942 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,760 And so that's what I'm trying to articulate. 943 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:21,920 As out there as that sounds, I am trying to say, you know, as I 944 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,520 listen to you talk, it gives me an opportunity to voice that 945 01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,320 deep held concern I've always had, which is did he really mean 946 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:36,800 to do it or did he get a situation like with this girl 947 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,800 where something came in and forced that outcome? 948 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,120 So I'll give a little perspective here if I can. 949 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:51,680 When I was a police reporter at a daily newspaper, sadly there 950 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,120 was sometimes suicides that we became aware of in the 951 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,960 community, but we couldn't report on them. 952 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,440 I mean, that's not something you write an article about. 953 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,120 But I did have a conversation with the local coroner about one 954 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,960 particular suicide or suspected suicide because it was a college 955 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:15,080 student and she had been sitting in the window of her dorm 2 956 01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:20,720 stories up and fell out, landed down in the quad and was dead. 957 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:27,120 And I said to him, well, is it a suicide or not? 958 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,480 And he said, we don't know. I said, well, you're the 959 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,040 coroner, why don't you know? And he said because she didn't 960 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,640 leave a note. And he said in my profession, 961 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,520 it's my personal rule that if there's no note, it wasn't a 962 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,680 suicide. He said I will never put on the 963 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,880 death certificate that it was because I don't want to do that 964 01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,080 to the family. That was his take on it. 965 01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:03,040 Yeah, in the case of any mental health struggle, I think it's 966 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,720 important just at this juncture in this conversation, which has 967 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,080 taken kind of a heavy turn to remind everybody, please stick 968 01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,000 around until tomorrow and see what tomorrow brings. 969 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,000 Always, always. It's such a permanent solution 970 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,240 to a temporary problem. And there's always people that 971 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:25,000 say later if you would just talk to me, you know, and go to 972 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,560 church, go to church, you know, join a community, be a part of 973 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,640 things. Yeah. 974 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,480 Absolutely join a church is really strong advice, especially 975 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,680 one that you know. Feels right to you, whatever 976 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,520 that may be. Well, the, the other thing about 977 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,400 churches like the Pentecostal church that I'm, you know, that 978 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,560 I'm a part of in, in Key West still, I've often heard that 979 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,960 pastor say church is supposed to be a hospital for the soul. 980 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,200 You know, don't, don't stay at home crying in your bedroom. 981 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,000 If your whole world's falling apart, come here. 982 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,320 Let us pray for you because this is where things are supposed to 983 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,920 be made better and you're allowed to come while you're 984 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:17,360 falling apart. You know, I appreciate very much 985 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,520 you allowing me to zigzag into so many of my own internal 986 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,480 thoughts. I'll go a little further if it's 987 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,280 OK with you because this is all bringing quite a lot up for me. 988 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,800 Recently, one of the guests of on the show, The Gentleman named 989 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,080 Clyde, took his own life about 5 weeks ago. 990 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,680 So sad. I know, and he was in a lot of 991 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,480 contact with me up until it happened. 992 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,960 And very similarly to my friend DK, there's a lot of people 993 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,120 around this scenario that are just like what, you know, 994 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,000 because you're talking about again, another very like 995 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:05,760 articulate, kind, thoughtful, talented man whom, you know, up 996 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:11,760 until very recently was, you know, functioning normally. 997 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,640 You know, and I don't want to say too much more because I am 998 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,880 still trying to digest and process the, the flow of events 999 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,760 here, but I have reason to, I have reason to believe anyway 1000 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,440 that the suicide in his case is also not as it appears 1001 01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,040 potentially. And I, I think that that's 1002 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,480 interesting that the coroner's take, you know, he might, he 1003 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,920 might be saying that because he just wants to protect the 1004 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,960 possibility and not make the assertion, therefore not damage 1005 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,640 the family if he's wrong. Right. 1006 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,560 That that's it. He didn't want to hurt a family. 1007 01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,960 I mean, that's a very difficult thing to grapple with later to, 1008 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,800 to try to make, you know, peace of. 1009 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,680 Yeah. What we're talking about is 1010 01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:00,080 slightly different, which is that a apparent suicide, which 1011 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,320 many people might judge as a suicide, may have a underlying 1012 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,200 'cause that is not yeah, like it like. 1013 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:15,720 And so you've said that you were present for other similar 1014 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:20,480 demonic, you know, exorcisms. Could you tell me about others 1015 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,760 if? You happen to it. 1016 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,520 Yeah. And that and then, and then I'm 1017 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:28,120 going to segue into doing ghost tours in Key West because the 1018 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,520 commonality there is that if you're going to witness a 1019 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:38,360 demonic possession and a release, man, you better have 1020 01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,800 some praying over any openings you might have that that could 1021 01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,280 sneak into. Oh, you've got to be so careful 1022 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,400 that that something doesn't attach to you. 1023 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,920 So, So the other two instances, one was in that church, it was 1024 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,040 again after one of those Wednesday night prayer services. 1025 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,040 It was a couple years earlier and I was tired and I just 1026 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,480 wanted to go home. And I walked past a group of 1027 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,640 women praying together and I could tell the woman they they 1028 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,800 were laying hands on and praying for the way she was keening and 1029 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,160 making these noises. I'm like, Oh my God, they're 1030 01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,560 releasing a demon. I just want to go home. 1031 01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,560 And I got outside and I got as far as my bicycle because 1032 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,480 everybody there just rides bicycles around. 1033 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,440 I couldn't get on the bike. I had to go back in. 1034 01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:32,240 I'm like, Lord, just leave me alone on this. 1035 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,040 I just want to go home. Well, that wasn't going to 1036 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:39,240 happen, you know, because when you become a follower of Jesus, 1037 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,600 you do make the commitment to allow the Holy Spirit to work in 1038 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,920 you and, and work through you. And I really was being like 1039 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,040 blocked from getting on that bicycle. 1040 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,760 It was like you're going back in the church. 1041 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,680 So I went back in the church and I had just started going. 1042 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,400 I really didn't even know these women. 1043 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,960 And I felt like I was butting into something very personal, 1044 01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,640 but I just kind of went over on the edge and I said, you know, 1045 01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,600 can I pray with you? Sure, sure. 1046 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,560 And it looked like pastor's wife had had about enough praying. 1047 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,040 I mean, it's very draining to do that kind of heavy prayer. 1048 01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:21,359 So I laid my hands on this woman and I started just praying over 1049 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,399 her. I I couldn't even hear what the 1050 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,640 other women were praying. It was just, it was a sense of 1051 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,800 ministering to this woman when all of a sudden she literally 1052 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,399 started coughing and it was almost like she was trying to 1053 01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:38,920 get something out. And there was great 1054 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,279 encouragement and prayers that was happening. 1055 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,439 And then there was sort of this violent coughing. 1056 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,920 It was clear that something had come out of her and, and been 1057 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,680 released. And then she was just crying and 1058 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,920 crying. And somehow we all recognized 1059 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,880 that we then had to fill the void and we started praying in 1060 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:03,960 the Holy Spirit into her. And I had some holy oil in my 1061 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,319 purse. So I anointed her head and I 1062 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:11,120 gave her the holy oil. And I said, now that you know, 1063 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,920 whatever is clear of you, you need to anoint your, your 1064 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,000 doorway before you go in your house. 1065 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,520 You need to make sure you know that, that there's nothing in 1066 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,560 your house, right? So she didn't even look like the 1067 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,000 same person. When I saw her the next Sunday, 1068 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:30,439 I went up to her. I asked her how she was doing. 1069 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,000 She said, well, you wanted the women that was praying over me. 1070 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:38,040 I said yes. And whatever had left her had 1071 01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:43,520 also unburdened her because there were lines on her face 1072 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,560 that were gone. There was a piece about her that 1073 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,960 hadn't been there before. And I knew her for a few years 1074 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,640 while I lived there and had many conversations with her. 1075 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,240 Whatever had left her was truly gone. 1076 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,840 So that's that story. You know, this is ended up being 1077 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,040 a totally interesting conversation in a way that I 1078 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,200 didn't anticipate. That's a real treat for me. 1079 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,000 Thanks for, you know, giving me so much to think about. 1080 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:13,800 Sure. Thanks. 1081 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,440 Thanks for inviting me to share all of this. 1082 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,560 I really, truly believe there are people listening that need 1083 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,240 to hear whatever I'm sharing. I'm. 1084 01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,920 I know myself pretty well, and I know that like I'm. 1085 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:32,720 I'm deeply interested in in what you've got to say here tonight 1086 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,040 because I just feel that kind of like, oh, wait, I want to. 1087 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,400 It's funny, I can't really. I can't really effectively 1088 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,920 articulate what I actually want to say, and that's rare for me. 1089 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,280 That's how I know my brains been put into high gear. 1090 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,560 I guess my my overarching thought that I guess I'll spurt 1091 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:57,360 out is like, it does sound so interesting to me how these 1092 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:02,360 religious practices mirror so many like new age or witch 1093 01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:06,680 practices. Or it's in the sense of like, 1094 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:12,000 yeah, I mean, the, in your case, it's calling to a much higher 1095 01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,080 power. And I do concede that like, you 1096 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,160 know, I don't think that witchcraft and what you're 1097 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,480 talking about praying to the Holy Spirit are analogous. 1098 01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,360 What I mean, though, is just that the underlying 1099 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,480 understanding of there's an invisible thing that's, you 1100 01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:31,600 know, doing something to a person that can be cast out or 1101 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,040 brought in is very real in both scenarios. 1102 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:41,720 Oh, yeah. And I think that I, I don't know 1103 01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,400 how I want to say this, but I feel like there's different 1104 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,880 lenses that we all look through to make sense of the world. 1105 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,160 And I think in the Pentecostal tradition of the Christian 1106 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,280 faith, you know, calling out demons as I've just described, 1107 01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,920 OK, that's how it's done there. But I wouldn't be surprised if 1108 01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,680 in other religions or other world views, there's different 1109 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,680 ways to do the same thing. But I believe it's the power of 1110 01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,600 the Holy Spirit that accomplishes it, no matter who's 1111 01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,480 doing it. And again, we're going back to 1112 01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:16,720 the, the fight, you know, good for evil over the, you know, 1113 01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,040 ownership of one soul. I find it all fascinating. 1114 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,560 And it, it, it's just what you said, the unseen, you know, it. 1115 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,720 I, I don't know, I find all of that fascinating. 1116 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,640 OK. Well, with all of that like 1117 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,600 heavy lifting behind. Us let's you want to hear some 1118 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,040 fun ghost stories? That's where I'm, that's where 1119 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,200 I'm going, absolutely. So while I was in Key West, I 1120 01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:45,400 joined a a company that does ghost tours and they're 1121 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,480 nationwide. They've got 8 locations. 1122 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,120 It's called Historic Tours of America. 1123 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,240 They call themselves the Nation Storyteller, and they have 1124 01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,680 trolleys that run during the day and different, you know, tourist 1125 01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,560 destinations and tell the history. 1126 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,960 And then at night, they have a black trolley called the Trolley 1127 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:07,320 of the Doomed. And you dress up in character as 1128 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,160 a ghost from a certain time period. 1129 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,840 And while the trolley, you know, drives around and, you know, 1130 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,040 stops or kind of slows down at certain points of interest, 1131 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,080 you're telling the ghost story or the history of that point. 1132 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,840 And it's all very interactive and fun. 1133 01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:30,520 So I portrayed a character named Letitia Roberts, who had been, I 1134 01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:36,560 said, a newspaper publisher in the late 1800s and was about to 1135 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,120 put out an issue of the newspaper that was going to 1136 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,240 reveal all the corruption in Key West. 1137 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,640 But then over the printing press that night, there was a noise 1138 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,120 behind me. I turned around too late. 1139 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,600 You know, somebody had a rope around my neck. 1140 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,000 And then I would joke with the people on the trolley and say, 1141 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,720 all right, I didn't see who did it, but I remember all the 1142 01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,880 stories. And those are the stories I'm 1143 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:02,760 going to share with you tonight. And then I'd look at some guy on 1144 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,920 the trolley and just say, oh, my goodness, Sir, you look just 1145 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,200 like him. And then everybody would laugh, 1146 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,240 and I'd say, oh, you know, we got to keep an eye on this guy 1147 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,000 tonight. So there was that kind of 1148 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,480 interplay and, you know, some really kind of gnarly ghost 1149 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,560 stories alongside some really fun banter. 1150 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,480 But the serious part of the tour was that we left the trolley and 1151 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:29,480 we went into a building called the Shipwreck Museum. 1152 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:36,960 And it was, it was a rebuilt building on the footprint of 1153 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,600 what used to be an auction house. 1154 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:46,640 And the history in Key West is that in the 1800s, when ships 1155 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:52,200 would come near Key West and hit the reef, they'd break apart and 1156 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,440 they'd sink and the people spilled out into the ocean would 1157 01:14:55,440 --> 01:15:01,200 drown, but they would be hanging on to anything floating by to 1158 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,840 just survive. A lot of people couldn't swim in 1159 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:10,840 the 1800s, so there was a wrecking business where people 1160 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,040 from the town would just get in row boats, row out to the wreck. 1161 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:21,360 And whoever got there first was the person that was in charge of 1162 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,960 of all of the contraband. And all of it will be brought to 1163 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,560 shore and put in this auction house and auctioned off to 1164 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:38,000 pretty much the locals. And it was believed that because 1165 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,800 a lot of these things brought into the auction house had been 1166 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,680 like lifesavers or life buoys for drowning people, that the 1167 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,880 angst and the upset and the fear had transferred itself into 1168 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:56,520 these physical items. Well, the auction house, you 1169 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:57,960 know, eventually went out of business. 1170 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,680 The wrecking trade went away and the building was rebuilt. 1171 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,760 But a lot of those barrels and lifesavers, you know, the things 1172 01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:14,200 you throw out if somebody's drowning and artifacts that had 1173 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,880 been rescued had been touched by those people. 1174 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,160 So it was believed that the shipwreck museum that people can 1175 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:26,320 now tour had a lot of very active paranormal things going 1176 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:31,880 on. So when I joined the the cast, I 1177 01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,360 didn't think any of that was real. 1178 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,480 I just thought it was part of the story. 1179 01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,080 And one of the stories that we told when we went in that 1180 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,320 building was that there had been a suicide on the top of the 1181 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,720 building and that the person that died now haunted it. 1182 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,440 OK, that's another story, right? That's what I'm thinking. 1183 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:59,000 And what he was known for was walking up and down the steps 1184 01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,280 while casting a shadow on the wall. 1185 01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,440 But he looked like a daddy long leg spider going by. 1186 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,360 You just saw arms and legs. You didn't see the body. 1187 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,520 And I thought, this is, you know, this is just something 1188 01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,600 they're making up to scare the tourists. 1189 01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,400 So yeah, I told the story, You know, the the tourists were 1190 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,040 always waiting for something to happen. 1191 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,080 And one night we saw it. These arms and legs just went up 1192 01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,120 the steps and down the steps. And all the tourists turned to 1193 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,560 me and they said, did you do that? 1194 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,640 I said, I didn't do it. I'm looking at it just like you 1195 01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,360 are. So we're all a little bit 1196 01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,000 freaked out. And that was when I started to 1197 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,000 think, all right, maybe these are more the stories. 1198 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:44,840 So I I had to go into that building ahead of the tour. 1199 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,840 And before I got into costumes, like an hour before the tour 1200 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,400 started at night, I had to go in that building and unlock one of 1201 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,760 the doors from the inside so that when we all got off the 1202 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,440 trolley and approached the door, it was already unlocked. 1203 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:06,560 But that night when I walked in, there was all this banging in 1204 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,680 the building, and I thought somebody was hammering something 1205 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,800 on the wall. So I walked around a little bit, 1206 01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,200 and I called out, and I realized I was alone. 1207 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,920 So I stepped outside and I reminded myself, OK, I'm an 1208 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,000 intelligent person. I'm educated. 1209 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,920 I make sense. There's no banging. 1210 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,040 This is silly. So I walked back inside, and the 1211 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:34,760 banging had stopped. OK so I walked to the door that 1212 01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,040 I had to unlock and when I reached for it something 1213 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:39,920 physically pushed my arm out of the way. 1214 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:47,280 My arm dropped. So I had been told by my cast 1215 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:52,640 mates that if things ever got freaky inside that building to 1216 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,520 talk to whatever was there. So that's what I did. 1217 01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,560 I turned around and I said, all right, I don't know what you 1218 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,320 are, but you need to go back to your corner. 1219 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,640 I'm coming back later with the tourists. 1220 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,960 I'm telling them your stories get out of my way. 1221 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,160 And I left the building. Well, that was the night that 1222 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,640 that happened when I came back in with that tourist group and 1223 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,600 we saw these arms and legs going up and then back down the 1224 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,920 staircase and we were all freaked out. 1225 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,160 So there's just some kind of high level of activity that 1226 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,800 night, and there were many things like that that happened 1227 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:31,880 in that building. When you say arms and legs, can 1228 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,440 you describe that a little bit better? 1229 01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:39,480 Yeah, yeah. So it was really, it's very 1230 01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:45,440 difficult to explain, but we were in a, we were in a room 1231 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:50,200 that was had very low lighting and we were all looking at a 1232 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,440 staircase that went to the third floor and we're surrounded by 1233 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:57,720 artifacts from sunken ship. So it was like a, a feeling of 1234 01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,600 almost like being inside of a ship. 1235 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:01,560 And we're looking at the staircase. 1236 01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,400 And the best way I can describe it is if you've ever been inside 1237 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,120 your living room and a car goes down the street. 1238 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:15,360 And the headlights sweep across the wall and you see some 1239 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:20,280 movement across the wall as the headlights move past. 1240 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:31,800 We saw black sticks almost rapidly go down the wall next to 1241 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,240 the staircase and back up. And it was almost like if you 1242 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:39,880 saw a daddy long leg spider and you only saw the legs and they 1243 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,880 were illuminated and you're just seeing them large and black go 1244 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:47,360 up and down the stairs. It was just like the light 1245 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,040 passed just enough that we could see it and then it was gone. 1246 01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,680 And that's why I say it was like headlights passing through. 1247 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,200 And it was, it was very strange. But we referred to this man that 1248 01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:07,280 committed suicide, not him, but his spirit as Daddy Longwigs. 1249 01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,960 So interesting, especially the part about your hand kind of 1250 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:18,760 being pushed out of the way. That was freaky because I mean, 1251 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,400 something physically touched me and moved my arm. 1252 01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:25,920 So, so, you know, that's where my Christian faith came in is 1253 01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:31,920 that, you know, I talked to my pastor about it and I said, you 1254 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,720 know, I don't want the stuff going home with me. 1255 01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,000 And he said, well, he said, you need to protect yourself. 1256 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,120 He on the tour, he said before you go in the building, you need 1257 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,760 to pray for protection over yourself and protection over 1258 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,840 your tour group. And then when you leave the 1259 01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,000 building, you need to pray that nothing attached itself to you 1260 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,520 or to those people. And that's what I did. 1261 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,720 And, you know, I gave up that job then to work at the 1262 01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:03,600 Hemingway House as a tour guide there because I started to feel 1263 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,080 like maybe I was taking a chance that I didn't need to take 1264 01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,680 'cause there were a number of other things that did happen in 1265 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,680 that building. And I did have some of the 1266 01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,400 tourists take pictures there that they showed me later that 1267 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,160 clearly showed demons. I mean, not like funny little 1268 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,800 ghosts. I mean, I mean demons. 1269 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:25,440 So I just started to think after some time, maybe it's better not 1270 01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:30,840 to do that. This fascinating and 1271 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,560 wide-ranging episode has absolutely been anchored by your 1272 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,640 presence. I've done a terrible job of 1273 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,080 hosting the show tonight. I feel like I'm talking too 1274 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,960 much. You've, you've been great. 1275 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:48,200 I, my mind like wants to bounce back to ask questions about the 1276 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,040 Bigfoot again and I should have done that back when you were 1277 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:52,320 telling. Me but the. 1278 01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,440 Listeners can jump with us. Go for it. 1279 01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,040 You know what, the listeners will be just fine. 1280 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,880 Fascinating. Fate listeners are honestly a 1281 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,480 great group of people, Very smart, very sophisticated 1282 01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:09,120 listeners. I'm sure they'll be with us 1283 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,960 along this journey. It's not as disjointed as it 1284 01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,560 initially appears. The threads of connection are 1285 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,120 there, but what I've noticed is we're getting close to that 2 1286 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,480 hour mark and I have a thing I do which is out of respect for 1287 01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:25,720 your time and the audience's time, I try to keep the episodes 1288 01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,800 around that 2/2 and 1/2 hour mark. 1289 01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:34,320 You've given me a lot to think about when it relates to, as it 1290 01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:38,280 relates to, you know, the suicide heavy episode that it's 1291 01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:45,520 been, these demonic possessions, your perception of what may or 1292 01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,160 may not have been a Bigfoot in your initial encounter. 1293 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,280 So let's just circle it all back to the second time. 1294 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:54,480 What I wanted to ask you is you said the leaves were all bedded 1295 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:59,200 down and these saplings were connected at the top. 1296 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,440 Was it like a woven connection or how? 1297 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,400 Yeah, that's what it was. And that's that's what I was 1298 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,120 saying to my friend was I couldn't see if it was woven, 1299 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,560 but I could see they were joined together somehow. 1300 01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,400 And I said to her something with hands how to do this. 1301 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:18,120 This is intelligent design and this is craftsmanship. 1302 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,360 You know, I, I was very intrigued by it and, and I just, 1303 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,240 I'm so curious and I just wanted to get a closer look. 1304 01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:28,600 And that's when, you know, I heard the growl and the hoof 1305 01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,040 hoof. I mean, it was, it sounded like 1306 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:35,040 there was a bull and, and it sounded that big and it, it was, 1307 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:40,640 it was a solid wall of sound. So it, I really just wanted to 1308 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,080 see, you know, like, like why are all these branches put 1309 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,400 together like that? And, and why is the, the grass 1310 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,080 and the undergrowth all beaten down? 1311 01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,160 I just wanted to see. I was not meant to get any 1312 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,200 closer. I'm sure that was for my own 1313 01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:58,400 good. It really feels to me as I 1314 01:24:58,400 --> 01:24:59,960 listen to you, like it was right there. 1315 01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,560 How high up was the the woven stuff? 1316 01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,200 Like how many feet off the ground? 1317 01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:10,800 It was not 4, no more than four feet, maybe only three feet. 1318 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,680 I mean, it looked like something you could sit under and, you 1319 01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,520 know, shelter yourself under. But what was interesting about 1320 01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,760 this, this space, you know, where we were hit by the sound 1321 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,920 is it was larger in diameter than the first structure we had 1322 01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,040 seen. But this one was not as thickly 1323 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:41,120 woven or put together. It did not have as much coverage 1324 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:45,400 from the saplings or or the branches or the sticks. 1325 01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,720 You could see through it where as the one we had first seen was 1326 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,680 much thicker. It would have actually protected 1327 01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,200 you if it was raining a little bit. 1328 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:59,960 So I'm not really sure, you know, what it was about, if it 1329 01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:06,200 was a nursery of some kind, if it was like a baby Bigfoot or, 1330 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,440 or some youngsters. You know, what's weird is that 1331 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,440 the woman I was with was my first doula client. 1332 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:19,960 I used to be a birth doula. And it it could be that there 1333 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,200 was even a Mama Bigfoot and that was where she was giving birth. 1334 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:28,560 And, you know, we, we were, you know, about to violate some 1335 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,880 sacred space. Absolutely. 1336 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,920 Birth doula fits that personality that I identified 1337 01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,880 earlier, which is not. Scared by anything? 1338 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,080 Totally. I get it. 1339 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:47,440 You're, you're, you're absolutely fantastic in that way 1340 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:48,760 because it allows you to tell these. 1341 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,360 Stories and as I listen to you, I just don't detect any 1342 01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:53,960 embellishment. I'm just like, this is just 1343 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,880 matter of fact facts being recounted. 1344 01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,080 Well done. Thank you. 1345 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,880 Let let me ask you, OK, so you've been fascinated by 1346 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:07,200 Bigfoot as you, you know, mentioned for a long time. 1347 01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:11,080 What do you think is going on with not being able to see it? 1348 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:20,960 It didn't want to be seen. I mean, OK, that's great 1349 01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,680 motivation hypothesis, but beyond that, how? 1350 01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:30,040 OK, so I I think that it was in the next dimension and it didn't 1351 01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,880 step through whatever veil was between us to reveal itself to 1352 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,640 me. When I saw that fucking fairy in 1353 01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:41,280 2019 it was like it was like 2 dimensional. 1354 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,960 It was flat. It looked like it had punched 1355 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,480 through reality is the best way I can describe it. 1356 01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,080 It looked like someone had done a hole punch on a black piece of 1357 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,840 paper and shone a bright light from behind it and you could 1358 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:57,040 distinctly see everything was emanating from one side of a 1359 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,640 plane into the space which was the wheelhouse. 1360 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:06,200 So I've seen what I believe is the ingress of a 1361 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,960 interdimensional entity from one dimension into the other. 1362 01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:12,920 I think I've seen it happen is kind of what I think I saw that 1363 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,320 day. Yeah, I, I believe it. 1364 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:22,840 I just think that I think that whole park has some interesting 1365 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,400 aspects to it. I sent you a picture earlier 1366 01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,200 that I took at that park at least 10 years ago. 1367 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:34,840 And what's interesting about that picture is I just noticed 1368 01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:39,200 that the stream was really beautiful that day and that the 1369 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:46,640 light filtering through the trees near the water was just, 1370 01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:50,600 it was like something out of a fairy tale forest. 1371 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,640 And I, I just squatted down by the edge of the stream to take a 1372 01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,880 picture upstream. I'm watching the water come 1373 01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:01,080 down, I'm seeing the light filter through the trees and it 1374 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,920 was just so beautiful. So what's interesting is that 1375 01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,920 about two years ago I bought a second monitor for my computer 1376 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,840 setup and it's high definition. And I thought that that 1377 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,320 particular picture of the stream would be so pretty as a 1378 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,360 background. Well, that was the first time I 1379 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,880 saw it 20 inches blown up. And I thought, what did those 1380 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:27,760 faces do in there? I saw faces in the rocks. 1381 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,360 And I shared it with a Bigfoot group on Facebook. 1382 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,320 And people were seeing faces up in the tree canopy. 1383 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,680 And I'm thinking maybe there is such a thing as a fairy. 1384 01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,200 So I'm waiting for your assessment of the picture when 1385 01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,160 you have time to look at it. But I'm just saying there's 1386 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:47,760 strange things at that park. I also have a couple folks that 1387 01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:52,680 I have come on the show that I remain in contact with for whom 1388 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:58,120 I will share that photo because they are like very, very it it's 1389 01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,280 interesting. Like it is interesting because I 1390 01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:05,400 definitely can attest first hand that I've been shown things I 1391 01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:10,400 said, OK, that's what I see. And without like divulging that 1392 01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,640 description, I've shared the photo with others to, to see 1393 01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,040 what are the other responses, right. 1394 01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,520 And so I, I'm going to do that again here and I'll reserve my, 1395 01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,880 I'll reserve not my judgement, but I'll reserve my feedback 1396 01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,200 until I've had a chance to undergo that process. 1397 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,160 And I'll tell you everything that I learned and what I 1398 01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,840 thought other people, you know, can contribute as well. 1399 01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:34,280 It's interesting, you know, there's a number of Facebook 1400 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,920 groups in which photography of the other dimension is a very 1401 01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:40,880 big part of the group. Or is the is the purpose of the 1402 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,400 group? And I obviously troll those 1403 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:52,560 areas, you know, of course, because some here's the thing, I 1404 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:58,200 don't I've done this show for two, two years, right. 1405 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:01,080 And I have. Talked to people that have seen 1406 01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,480 amazing things. And I know that there's a small 1407 01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:08,040 handful. I'm going to say 5 or so of the 1408 01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:12,720 people I've spoken to who I would say come pretty close to 1409 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:18,800 having seen like what I saw, OK? But but I know that what I saw 1410 01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:23,520 that day back in 2019 was like fucking unreal. 1411 01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,960 It was like 1 dimension like opening up and. 1412 01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,480 Crawling into the other right in front of my eyes. 1413 01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,880 I will change you. No shit. 1414 01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,240 I, I guess my, my, my point is that fuck, what is my point? 1415 01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,480 I, I, I can't believe myself tonight. 1416 01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:46,960 Usually I'm such a composed host, but truly I do think the 1417 01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,000 mitigating factor. Here is your presence, which is 1418 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,600 you're an unusual guest for me in the sense that you're 1419 01:31:52,600 --> 01:32:01,400 extremely pragmatic and the the religious underpinning while 1420 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,200 still allowing for these things to be taken at face value. 1421 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,960 You're just a very interesting duality there. 1422 01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,920 Well, thank you. Thank you for giving me a forum. 1423 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,160 One of my biggest fascinations in the show is how do people 1424 01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,440 reconcile and live with these events? 1425 01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:24,400 And you are a unique perspective on on that side of things. 1426 01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,800 Why was I trying to talk about yes, we're talking about Bigfoot 1427 01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:33,640 the the interdimensional, you know, entity that Bigfoot may or 1428 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,240 may not be like you're saying you think it just didn't want to 1429 01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:37,560 be seen. It hadn't come across from the 1430 01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:40,040 other dimension. I remember what my question was 1431 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,160 going to be next and where I was going. 1432 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:47,800 So when I saw that fairy in 2019 and it looked sort of 1433 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,840 two-dimensional and ripping through reality. 1434 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,480 And as I contemplate you being that, you know, more or less 1435 01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:55,800 face to face with an entity that you can't see. 1436 01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,480 And I think about this conversation I had with this 1437 01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:03,560 gentleman named Tristan, who for a long time went, went to the 1438 01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:05,480 fairy realm. Let's just, you know, condense 1439 01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:07,720 his story to just say like that he went there a lot. 1440 01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,320 And. He he reported back that there 1441 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:17,200 are certain key features on the planet that overlap where what 1442 01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,160 is there on Earth is also there on the fairy realm. 1443 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,240 And they're just, they're just a vibration apart, but they're 1444 01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:27,960 fairly identical. And that there are other places 1445 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,120 that are totally separate, like where we have a mountain, they 1446 01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,560 might have an entire flat city, for example. 1447 01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:41,320 But it is more or less the waterways that are the same and 1448 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,360 the areas surrounding those waterways. 1449 01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:54,960 And that, in part, the mechanism of ingress can be understood as 1450 01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,720 how a river or a water source is always there, but never the same 1451 01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,080 water. It's an impermanent, permanent 1452 01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,760 thing. And through that paradox is the 1453 01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:13,000 way in and out of the plains. And so I think it's interesting 1454 01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:18,160 that the Bigfoot is using saplings that you can see even 1455 01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,240 though it doesn't want you to see it. 1456 01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:27,280 And I wonder with all that mumbo jumbo condensed out of my mouth 1457 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,960 there, if I can wrap it up into a question. 1458 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,360 So with all that said, like how do you think that it's working? 1459 01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,120 Do you think it's there full time on Earth? 1460 01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,680 Or do you think it's sort sort of like what I'm talking about? 1461 01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:45,160 How do you understand it? Like why is it using something 1462 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,640 physical when it could just hide itself? 1463 01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,920 Bingo, that's exactly what I'm trying to ask. 1464 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,920 I think that's a really good question and I don't have any 1465 01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:58,240 kind of definitive answer. If I had a guess, it might go 1466 01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,800 back to what we touched on a little bit. 1467 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,320 What is Bigfoot? Is he interdimensional and flesh 1468 01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,400 and blood? Because if he has to exist in 1469 01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:10,800 both worlds, then wouldn't he need something physical to 1470 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,840 protect himself and his offspring in this one? 1471 01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,800 Well, that makes him just like us, 'cause right? 1472 01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:22,880 Is it, is it not true that our souls are in a, in a way, you 1473 01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,000 know, a type of interdimensional thing? 1474 01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:29,240 You know what I mean? It's it's same same to me. 1475 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,520 I've seen in in some of the Facebook groups that I follow 1476 01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:39,960 the suggestion that those structures could protect or 1477 01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:47,200 pinpoint some kind of portal. Well, that, yeah, that in part 1478 01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:49,840 is kind of what why I was giving that little back story with 1479 01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,840 Tristan because he like, there is this also, there's another 1480 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:57,200 man I spoke to who I can't get to come on the air, but his 1481 01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,800 story is super interesting, too. He's a hiker and he would hike 1482 01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,360 on the John Muir Trail in California pretty much every 1483 01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,520 summer. He did it like 10 times in, in 1484 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,240 14 summers or something like that. 1485 01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,920 And so he knew the trail very well. 1486 01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:14,800 And that's a pretty huge hike. That's one of the top ten 1487 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,720 hardest hikes in the world according to National 1488 01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:21,080 Geographic. So it's, you need a lot of, you 1489 01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:22,600 don't go out there unless you're prepared. 1490 01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,400 And part of that is knowing how to, knowing how to orienteer, 1491 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,160 you know, so this guy is not a joke. 1492 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,800 And on one particular time he was going and he was walking and 1493 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,760 he, I get goosebumps every time I tell this story. 1494 01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:37,640 He was going and he, he just started to feel like I don't 1495 01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,720 know where I am, what this says, I don't know. 1496 01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:44,800 I don't recognize this at all. Like what is this like? 1497 01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,480 And he said foliage was different. 1498 01:36:47,480 --> 01:36:51,200 He said the light was different. He said sound. 1499 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,280 He said it was earth, but it was not. 1500 01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,560 And he started to become extremely uneasy. 1501 01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,320 So he said maybe I'm just lost and I'm having a panic attack. 1502 01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,920 So he turned back and as he started to go back, he's 1503 01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,000 walking, he's walking, he's walking, and he's like an 1504 01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:11,240 experienced navigator. So he, on his way there, had 1505 01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,440 noted landmarks constantly as he was walking. 1506 01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:18,120 And as he's starting to go back, he knows he's on the same exact 1507 01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:19,800 exact trail. That's for sure. 1508 01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,560 He hasn't gotten off the trail and now he's going back and he 1509 01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,960 does not recognize anything that he is passing on his way back. 1510 01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:29,240 And now his panic is increasing tenfold. 1511 01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:33,080 And he goes on to explain in detail that he found himself 1512 01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:38,680 trapped in the fairy realm. And it wasn't until he returned 1513 01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:45,120 to a specific point on the trail that he was able to visually see 1514 01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:51,360 where the break was and able to get back onto the other side. 1515 01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,440 And that's his story. And I mean, he describes it like 1516 01:37:56,440 --> 01:37:59,680 it was so he was just walking, walking, walking. 1517 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:03,320 Everything was normal. He didn't do anything special. 1518 01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,160 He wasn't out for a meditation or an attempt to go to the fairy 1519 01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:07,880 realm. Do you understand? 1520 01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:12,680 He was just walking for his hike and he just found himself in 1521 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:17,280 that other place. And it he, it very much suggests 1522 01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,480 when I listen to Tristan and I listen to this guy that you may 1523 01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:24,920 very well be right there, that perhaps it's protecting a type 1524 01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,600 of weak spot in between the two planes. 1525 01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,320 I don't know. I think it'll be interesting 1526 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:36,680 when you, when you look at the photo I sent you, somebody else 1527 01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,360 that looked at it said there were two portals between some 1528 01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,960 trees right past the stream in the picture. 1529 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:50,480 So maybe this farm is someplace, this park is someplace where 1530 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:56,840 there are portals and, you know, now people are walking through 1531 01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:00,160 the woods all the time. I don't know. 1532 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,440 I mean, part of me thinks that Bigfoot is a protector. 1533 01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:09,160 So if this is some kind of special spiritual place and 1534 01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,360 Bigfoot is there, that might be his purpose. 1535 01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,720 You know, what a wide-ranging and absolutely fascinating 1536 01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,280 conversation we've had here tonight, Katrina. 1537 01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,520 It's been. I want to say it's been fun, but 1538 01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,440 I feel like that's not the right word. 1539 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:33,520 It's been intriguing. It's like I enjoy a good mind 1540 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:36,920 scratches. Well, I appreciate, I appreciate 1541 01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:42,000 you having me on. It's a unique conversation to go 1542 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,960 into the catalog and I'm extremely proud to have created 1543 01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,680 this, you know, work of art here with you tonight because it's 1544 01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:52,600 super, super full of both of our personalities wrestling with 1545 01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:54,720 this subject matter. Right, right. 1546 01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,560 We just don't know. Well, you know when you stop and 1547 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:03,960 you really break it down, right, How a person understands the 1548 01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:08,120 paranormal is. Equally as fascinating, if not 1549 01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:12,120 more fascinating than the encounters and experiences 1550 01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:17,760 themselves. So the show fascinating Fey Loki 1551 01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,560 is mostly actually about how people are walking in their skin 1552 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:26,400 as they deal with these things as it is what happened to them. 1553 01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:31,360 And the latter maybe the more interesting one in a lot of 1554 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:36,880 cases because, you know, matters of faith, matters of navigating 1555 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:42,720 life are extremely nuanced. And there is, in my opinion, you 1556 01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:47,600 know, no right answer. I like that you've got some 1557 01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,920 confidence that there is a right answer for you. 1558 01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:54,520 And I really admire that. For me, I was never able to find 1559 01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,720 the satisfaction in a religious practice. 1560 01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,520 And I still don't even find the satisfaction in what I'm doing 1561 01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:01,480 here. Now I'm just. 1562 01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:06,640 Constantly asking questions and confusing myself, you know? 1563 01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:11,360 That's part of the fun. Well, I can't be disingenuous 1564 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:15,480 and pretend I understand it well enough to give it any real like 1565 01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,320 authority. So it is what it is for the time 1566 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,800 being, which is just an aggregation of conversations 1567 01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:26,960 that produces trends that can start to form hypotheses, and 1568 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,280 we'll take it. From there, right? 1569 01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,080 So, and that's what brings us comfort when we have these 1570 01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,840 unusual experiences and we learn that other people have and we 1571 01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:38,560 see some commonalities that helps us say, oh, OK, well I'm 1572 01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,680 not so strange then after all. One of the most comforting 1573 01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:47,200 things is the commonality of experience and the disparity of 1574 01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,000 the people. Everyone is so different, but 1575 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:53,040 the stuff is the same and that's what's truly comforting because 1576 01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,800 it was isolated to one kind of person. 1577 01:41:56,640 --> 01:42:00,160 Then you could say that's just a byproduct of a lifestyle that 1578 01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,800 everyone's living, you know, but that's not true. 1579 01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:08,240 You don't have to be any kind of way to begin with for this stuff 1580 01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:13,800 to unfold in your life. That's why I think, you know, to 1581 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:19,600 go back to DK and others, Clyde, you know, I, I carry on because 1582 01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:23,920 I know that for for sure, for a lot of people listening, holding 1583 01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,080 the space that I do for the show to exist like it does without 1584 01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:31,680 judgement and with allowing it to get strange and weird and 1585 01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:36,960 contemporary, you know, not isolating folklore as the reason 1586 01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:41,360 not, you know, in your case, the ghost story, I think is related 1587 01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:45,360 to like a past event, But I think that, you know, some stuff 1588 01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,000 is just very contemporary, you know, at the same time. 1589 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,480 So allowing the show to be what it is and allowing guests like 1590 01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:56,360 yourself to come forward is, is, you know, therapy like you 1591 01:42:56,360 --> 01:43:00,800 mentioned for for both of us and, and for everybody listening 1592 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:05,640 and to try to contain it in any other kind of container than 1593 01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,280 just allowing people to be themselves and be honest that, 1594 01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:11,440 hey, this isn't always easy to understand and I don't really 1595 01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:13,560 know. Anything about it? 1596 01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,520 Exactly. But this is what I think and 1597 01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:20,080 feel I hope is a good service. I don't know if it makes for a 1598 01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,000 good podcast or not. I think it's just the only way 1599 01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:26,000 that I, I can do it, you know, at the end of the day, so. 1600 01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,160 Well, thank you for letting me be a part of it. 1601 01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:35,120 Truly one for the books Well, you listen to a few episodes and 1602 01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:39,560 so you may know this one's coming I ask all of the guests 1603 01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,640 that come on the show the same question and I'll ask it to you 1604 01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:44,240 now if. It's OK with you. 1605 01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:49,400 OK, Well, Katrina, not that you know, not that any of us know, 1606 01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,080 but what do you think that fairies are? 1607 01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,320 I think they're just part of a another dimension, another 1608 01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:05,280 realm, and sometimes they pop through and wink at us. 1609 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,640 I think they're always there, we just don't always see them. 1610 01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:13,880 That's why I think Bigfoot's a fairy. 1611 01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:16,120 OK. OK. 1612 01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:20,800 I'll, I'll go with that. Yeah, I mean, it's pretty close, 1613 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,880 MO. If I were you, I might not call 1614 01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:28,680 him a fairy to his face. You know what, the big guy can 1615 01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:33,640 come on down here to Costa Rica and I can share some mangoes 1616 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,160 with him and see if he, if he'll. 1617 01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,840 Yeah, you know what one of the like, one of the things about 1618 01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:45,040 the show is like, yeah, how do straight white dudes talk about 1619 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,840 fairies? This is what it looks like in my 1620 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:49,480 case anyway. Yeah. 1621 01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,840 And I get that joke like so often on Reddit, and I say, oh, 1622 01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:58,560 there's the, there's the loser. You know what I mean? 1623 01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:02,320 When I when I say like, I, I. Often ask sorry I'm butchering 1624 01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:06,160 my own delivery there. I often ask on like Reddit, hey 1625 01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:08,560 have you seen a fairy? And then someone will say. 1626 01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,720 Like, oh, yeah, I was down in like, San Francisco last week. 1627 01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:16,160 I saw a ton of them, you know, It's like, OK, thank you very 1628 01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:19,600 much, you know? Well, you know, what's funny is 1629 01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:24,480 I, I have a daughter who's 26 now, but when she was little, 1630 01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:26,160 there was just something about her. 1631 01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:31,080 She loved playing in the woods. And she, she was always playing 1632 01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:34,960 around the base of trees and, you know, making mud pies and 1633 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,920 making, you know, little, you know, designs with leaves and 1634 01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,600 rocks and sticks. And I said to her, totally 1635 01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:45,280 serious one day. I said, when you're playing in 1636 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:48,360 the woods, you know, with the trees and everything, do you 1637 01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:50,680 ever see the little folk? You ever see the fairies? 1638 01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,200 And she just looked at me for the longest time and didn't say 1639 01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,280 anything. She never answered me. 1640 01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,480 I think she was seeing something and was just looking at me like, 1641 01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:07,040 are you really that dumb? Like, that was the look she was 1642 01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,720 giving me. Like, are you serious, Mom? 1643 01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:13,440 She never answered me. Yeah, like asking you like when 1644 01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:15,640 you're playing, do you see the rocks, Mom? 1645 01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:19,080 Yes, of course. She's a very, very old soul. 1646 01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,600 She's been around many times. I'm convinced she was born 1647 01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,400 knowing a lot more than I ever will. 1648 01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,480 It was all there in her eyes the first time I held her. 1649 01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:29,440 I'm like, whoa, this is a deep one. 1650 01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:32,200 I've birthed. And her brother's completely 1651 01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:33,600 different. I think he's a completely new 1652 01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,680 soul. I think everything is just awe 1653 01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:38,800 inspiring and a wonderment to him. 1654 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,880 I think he's never, he's never experienced any of this before. 1655 01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:46,440 They're completely different. He's a little more open to some 1656 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:48,520 of this stuff. You know, I shared with him what 1657 01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:52,760 happened to me last weekend and he just, you know, he takes the 1658 01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,960 under advisement. You know, he's not for it or 1659 01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,280 against it. He's very neutral. 1660 01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,960 As you did a nice like totally unrelated segue into your 1661 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,360 children there, I think I figured it out. 1662 01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:11,120 What what was melting in my brain the entire time tonight? 1663 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:16,120 I really like a lot of what you think, and I think it's melting 1664 01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:19,160 my brain that I think similarly at all to a Pentecostal 1665 01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:23,920 religious person. So that's so interesting to me 1666 01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,480 because I think we actually really understand one another. 1667 01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:31,600 And I'm going to look a little bit more into Pentecostal 1668 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,880 Christianity when we're done talking. 1669 01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,600 Just go. You have to have the experience. 1670 01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:40,000 It's like trying to convince somebody of fairies or Bigfoot 1671 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,760 just by telling them you have to go have the experience, show up 1672 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,200 at a church, go with an open mind, see what happens. 1673 01:47:48,440 --> 01:47:51,240 I've made the joke a number of times, and you'll encounter it 1674 01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,360 on the show as you continue to listen. 1675 01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:56,680 That you know Jesus sounds like one hell of a fairy. 1676 01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:58,320 You know he's an invisible person. 1677 01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,840 That you. Make wishes to, you know, you 1678 01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,360 better behave, you know, because he's going to judge you what 1679 01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:08,040 you're doing and there's a bunch of rules and, you know, don't 1680 01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:12,880 make deals and. Yeah, yeah, he, he's an 1681 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,520 interesting figure. You know, I, I grew up in the 1682 01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:21,880 70s and going to Sunday school they had, when they told the the 1683 01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:25,600 Bible stories that the Sunday school teachers had these felt 1684 01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,360 boards, you know, it was like felt fabric over an easel. 1685 01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:33,960 And they had little cut out figures of Jesus and Samson and 1686 01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,880 Delilah and the apostles and Mary and Joseph. 1687 01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,200 And they would stick them on there with Velcro while they 1688 01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,800 were telling the story. Anybody who anybody, anybody 1689 01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,520 listening who went to Sunday school in the 70s knows exactly 1690 01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,040 what I'm talking about with the felt board. 1691 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:54,120 But for me, the Jesus I could identify with was the one that 1692 01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,800 flipped the tables in the temple. 1693 01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:00,880 Like I got the Jesus that had that righteous anger who was 1694 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,200 like, yeah, I'm not putting up with money changers in the 1695 01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:05,080 temple. And he just started flipping 1696 01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:09,160 tables and I'm like, yeah, go Jesus, bad ass Jesus. 1697 01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:14,800 Like that was the Jesus I got turn to the other cheek being so 1698 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,080 nice. I'm like, what really. 1699 01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:21,800 You know, So I have always been fascinated by stories of Jesus 1700 01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,320 because I I mean, he was a teacher. 1701 01:49:25,480 --> 01:49:29,760 He was, he was a man who who, who lived flesh and blood, 1702 01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:34,680 right, but was without sin. But he had this, you know, the 1703 01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,920 spiritual nature that he's the Son of God. 1704 01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:41,760 So he was, he was fully man, but he was fully spiritual. 1705 01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:44,920 So I've always been fascinated by Jesus. 1706 01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:50,840 One thing I believe that you and I can both agree on is it's 1707 01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:55,160 never not been biblical times that epic struggle for good and 1708 01:49:55,160 --> 01:50:00,440 evil is ongoing and and and until the great resolve here, we 1709 01:50:00,440 --> 01:50:03,600 find ourselves so and. We're still trying to figure it 1710 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:04,760 out. They've been trying to figure it 1711 01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:08,080 out since Jesus Day. That's why we're talking about 1712 01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,000 it. We're sharing our experiences 1713 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,960 with each other. We started here at the top and 1714 01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,160 we'll end here, which is I like how two different people like 1715 01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:19,640 you and I can come together and have this conversation. 1716 01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:21,640 I think that's a huge accomplishment, honestly. 1717 01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:23,080 Absolutely. Thanks again. 1718 01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,360 Yeah, I've learned a lot. I've been totally stimulated. 1719 01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:30,880 My thinking is changed and that's why I do this show. 1720 01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:34,360 So I the thanks flows from this side of the mic to you. 1721 01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,360 You've been a great guest tonight, honestly. 1722 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:37,440 I mean. That thank you so much. 1723 01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:40,440 I've really enjoyed this. Same. 1724 01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:44,600 OK, well, with that momentum, let's do this. 1725 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:50,360 I spend one minute signing off, doing housekeeping at the end of 1726 01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:53,400 each show, and then I give my guests the last word. 1727 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:57,400 So if it's cool with you, I'll, you know, do my housekeeping and 1728 01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,400 then you can share your last thoughts as we go to sign off 1729 01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:01,960 here tonight. Sounds good. 1730 01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,480 OK, awesome. Well, tonight you've been 1731 01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:09,960 listening to Fascinating Faye. I'm your host, Jim, if you've 1732 01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:12,520 had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show. 1733 01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,320 If you've got some diverse perspectives like tonight and 1734 01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:18,600 you'd like to be on the show. Please shoot me an e-mail. 1735 01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:20,040 You can do that. At 1736 01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:25,400 encounters@fascinatingfaye.com and you can also find the show 1737 01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:29,880 on any social media by looking for it at Fascinating Faye. 1738 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,920 You can send me Adm on Facebook, Instagram, if you want to get in 1739 01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:37,240 contact with me that way, if that's more comfortable for you 1740 01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:41,320 than an e-mail, for example. And I don't ever mention it, but 1741 01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,080 I'm on Reddit quite a bit so you can find the show there. 1742 01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:48,600 I do quite a lot of posting and there's actually tons of 1743 01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:52,280 interesting responses that don't make it into the show to some of 1744 01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,320 the posts I put out looking for submissions. 1745 01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:57,520 So I've never mentioned that before. 1746 01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,080 Totally neglect to do so. And I thought I'd mention it 1747 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,800 here tonight. You can find the show on Reddit. 1748 01:52:02,760 --> 01:52:07,000 With all that said, I will say that on behalf of all of our 1749 01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,640 human and non human listeners tuning into fascinating Faye 1750 01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:15,720 tonight, a super big thanks to Katrina for coming on the show. 1751 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:17,960 Katrina, thank you so much for being here. 1752 01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:22,600 I sincerely appreciate it. Thank you, I appreciate being 1753 01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,560 able just to talk so freely and examine some of the ideas and 1754 01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:29,320 experiences. This has been a wonderful 1755 01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,800 experience for me. Truly one for the books. 1756 01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:36,320 I I really mean that. Likewise right back at you. 1757 01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:39,160 Very, very stimulating and engaging conversation. 1758 01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,960 Well, with all those, you know, good feelings behind us, let's 1759 01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,240 let's let you have your last words, please. 1760 01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:51,720 My last words are thank you for allowing me to share so many 1761 01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:55,840 cool experiences. And that's what I would 1762 01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,080 encourage everybody listening to do whatever experience you've 1763 01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:02,000 had. I don't think it takes that much 1764 01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:05,440 bravery to talk about it. I think just talk about it 1765 01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:09,280 because you know it happened and maybe you'll find other people 1766 01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:33,280 that needed to hear that. Hey, it's been a quarter century 1767 01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:38,800 and there's no use fighting just what way the mind goes. 1768 01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:51,000 Today I surrendered gently and the answer rather long was under 1769 01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:59,640 my nose to say to smell the earth right after rain. 1770 01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:04,960 I'm still looking for some things that I can't fight. 1771 01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:15,480 Today I fought a battle in my brain and I'm rattling the cage. 1772 01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:25,440 It is my mind over hills and through the fiery peaks of love. 1773 01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:35,760 The heart so cold it could freeze through the woods. 1774 01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:42,560 I walked a hurricane above till I could finally see the forest 1775 01:54:46,440 --> 01:55:18,880 for the trees. Hey, oh, tonight I lay awake and 1776 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:23,120 my meandering mind is on a playground. 1777 01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:35,200 Today in creation, I embrace all the geniuses and time and all 1778 01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:43,760 that they found to say to smell the earth right after rain. 1779 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:49,240 I'm still looking for some things that I can't find. 1780 01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:59,640 Today I fought a battle in my brain and I'm rattling the cage. 1781 01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:09,920 It is my mind over hills and through the fiery peaks of love, 1782 01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:20,720 to a heart so cold it could freeze, through the wilderness, 1783 01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:30,640 a hurricane above, till I could finally see the forest for the 1784 01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:41,440 trees. Well, you know, what's funny is 1785 01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:46,320 I, I have a daughter who's 26 now, but when she was little, 1786 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:47,960 there was just something about her. 1787 01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:52,920 She loved playing in the woods. And she she was always playing 1788 01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:56,800 around the base of trees and, you know, making mud pies and 1789 01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:01,720 making, you know, little, you know, designs with leaves and 1790 01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:04,440 rocks and sticks. And I said to her totally 1791 01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:07,920 serious one day, I said, when you're playing in the woods, you 1792 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,680 know, with the trees and everything, do you ever see the 1793 01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,360 little folk? You ever see the fairies? 1794 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:50,320 Fairies, fairies, fairies. Well, I've been dreaming of a 1795 01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:58,960 land, a world, that one with what is what, where I can 1796 01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:05,400 understand. And you would leave me by the 1797 01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:13,280 hand. Take me to a garden found where 1798 01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:21,200 flowers bloom all year round. And I do believe it's there. 1799 01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:36,160 Yeah, I do believe it's there. The angels singing by the shore 1800 01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:45,680 and people play right through the day just like we did before, 1801 01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,520 and they have never gone too old. 1802 01:59:55,720 --> 02:00:01,800 To the land where people stand with two feet on the floor. 1803 02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:15,000 They have never gone to war, never stood on a battlefield, or 1804 02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,680 ever. Every sword or shield. 1805 02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:30,040 And I do believe it's there. Yeah, I do believe it's there 1806 02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:45,160 and I do believe it's there. Yeah, I do believe it's there.