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Hey everyone. 
I'm Ashley. 

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And I'm Jasmine. 
And you're tuned into ham radio.

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A stranger things podcasts. 
Welcome back to another episode 

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of ham radio, shrink stranger 
things. 

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Podcast is always me and Jasmine
have a special episode for you 

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guys. 
And what makes this one more 

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special? 
Is because we have to first time

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guests on to the podcast. 
And also, there are first part 

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of our first guest Of the New 
Year. 

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I'm talking of course about Zak 
and Devin who are the hosts of 

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the hellfire club Collective 
podcast. 

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Zach, Devon, Welcome to our 
show. 

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Thanks for having us. 
It's great to be here. 

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Yeah, we're really excited. 
So you know what we always like 

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to do? 
We have guests on here is, you 

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know, we just like to ask a few 
little under introductory 

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questions so I'm just going to 
start just by asking you guys 

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just you know you talk about 
your show. 

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I know it's a re-watch, The 
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podcast, but yours is a little 
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you elaborate on that until 
people why it's different? 

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Jordan, take the reins on that 
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So it actually we got the idea. 
As soon as we finished the 

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latest season, we immediately 
start talking to each other 

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about, you know, whether or not 
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beginning, but I not to judge 
I'm going to jump in over. 

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I had I had seen a couple 
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Like, the deaf were brothers 
saying that they had like they 

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had known what they were going 
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and I had brought it up to Zach 
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bit, and he was like, wouldn't 
it be cool if we like re-watched

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it to see if that was true or in
the that falls aligned? 

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And that's kind of what 
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Yeah, I mean we figured, you 
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anyway. 
We're I know we're going to have

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thoughts about it because even 
just talking about, I was like, 

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there's no way and we're like, 
you know what, we're going to do

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something different. 
We're going to record ourselves.

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We're going to talk about it and
we're going to try to make a 

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podcast out of this. 
We're just going to talk about 

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Episode by episode. 
Code. 

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What about this? 
Episode could have inferred? 

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That this is one solid plan all 
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That's kind of what we try to do
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Collective. 
Is watch the show from season 

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one to season 4, and say, how 
much of this was planned and 

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where, can we see that plan in 
the show? 

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Awesome. 
And I listened like every every 

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Sunday when you guys drop me at 
the sides. 

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Thank you because, like, you 
bring it up a lot of stuff that,

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you know, I hadn't, you know, 
thought of before. 

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That's, that's been really, 
really cool. 

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Um, so when did you start 
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Stranger things. 
It's when it started. 

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Yeah. 
Like a couple days after when 

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live on Netflix. 
Yeah, so we saw it come up and 

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we're like, yeah, well, we'll 
put that on the list. 

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And then we had gone to my 
parents house, and my brother 

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was still living there and he 
was like, have you guys started 

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watching stranger things yet? 
And we were like, well, no, it's

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on the list. 
He's like, no, you need to watch

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it now and he put it on at their
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first like five and five or six 
episodes and then we came home, 

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why? 
Watched one where we need to go 

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to bed, it's late and then woke 
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watch the like, the last 
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We immediately got hooked on it.
We binged hard a stranger 

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things. 
Came out. 

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Does he have really sorry? 
Are we did? 

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We have binged real hard for 
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After that like will watch it in
a day and just be like, I think 

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we need to go back and watch it 
again because we probably missed

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stuff. 
Well, I'm a late bloomer. 

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I didn't start watching until 
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two and three. 
So really season, three was the 

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first one I ever watched in real
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So I think that's why I love 
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I do remember when the show 
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remember, I watched the promos 
on Netflix and I thought I saw, 

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you know, 11. 
And I was like, wow, this show 

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looks really weird. 
It looks like I don't think I 

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can get into it because I 
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know, like, you know, a mental 
institution and this girl was in

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there and I was just like, I 
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didn't do that. 
But now looking back on it, I 

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can do kind of wish that I would
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watched it because, you know, I 
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jeez. 
Also, you know, Netflix didn't 

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have a lot of original content 
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And so it's probably a little 
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back then, but I've been hooked 
ever since. 

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And again, one could blame you 
for that though. 

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I don't think Netflix really 
understood how to Market their 

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shows back then. 
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with. 
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like he said, the like, you 
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when they filmed it and like 
he's like a notice in the 

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summer. 
Cooking technique in his friend 

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who worked in television was 
like, oh, they're trying to bury

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it. 
They don't, they don't know what

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to do with it or like they're 
trying to Bear the show and I 

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think I got to, I don't know if 
they were trying to bury it but 

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I think you're right. 
I don't I don't know if they I 

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mean it was such a new thing 
like back then. 

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Like I think that was their 
first hit after Orange is the 

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New Black if I'm not mistaken. 
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to Mark things also. 
Like I feel like that was the 

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era of like, you know, like 
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was a step down in your career. 
Netflix, you'll people like to 

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you know, there's not criticism 
that's valid but they were 

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Netflix is it took that whole 
made-for-tv thing and it took it

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from like the step down your 
crew to a level up to something 

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that could make you a career. 
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opportunities and it was the 
kind of the kickoff of 

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streaming. 
So, I think you're right. 

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They didn't, I don't think they 
really knew nobody knew In 

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fairness how to Market streaming
back then and similar to do 

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Ashley, I didn't do. 
I didn't want to say, Say two 

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things until the pandemic. 
Which I think I watched it for 

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the first time in 21. 
I say I think because the last 

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three years are such a blur, but
it created 2012, although I 

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think of us But yeah, similarly 
I watch it and people, you know 

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said oh you gotta watch. 
It was described to me I've 

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never seen a trailer never seen 
a promo. 

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I don't have that escaped me but
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I got a new what was? 
It was a thing but I didn't know

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anything else and every time 
someone described me, they made 

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it sounds super scary. 
And I don't like horror, I like 

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True Crime, but I like her. 
I don't like $3, don't like any 

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of that. 
So when they described to me as 

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like, oh this is like super 
scary, I'm not gonna Like this 

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at all. 
And then actually the reason I 

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want to watching was I saw the 
movie for you guy. 

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I don't know if you guys have 
seen it. 

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Yeah yeah. 
So I went off we got and I love 

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that movie so much. 
I wouldn't talk twice in 

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theaters which I haven't done in
years and then I watched it like

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twice when it came out on Disney
class and I walked out of that 

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movie and I went I need to see 
every person in that movie in 

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like twenty hundred more things 
and what got me doing something 

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I love about the movies. 
I was like man I'm watching it. 

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There isn't like I know these 
actors but I don't know from 

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what other one home and go get 
it Mike. 

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Oh wow. 
Like the costume team did such a

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good job. 
They look so different that 

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movie you don't recognize them 
but not really. 

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And so I was like, oh, that's 
the that guys, in stranger 

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things is so like I was talking 
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We watch a lot of TV together 
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right? 
Remember her talking vaguely 

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about like being mad about Barb 
like four years ago or something

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and I listened but I didn't 
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And then We were at her house 
and I was like you've seen it 

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right? 
And she's like, yeah. 

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And I'm like, I'm thinking about
watching it. 

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Do you think I would like it? 
Like, it sounds scary. 

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But you like, you know, me 
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times when people describe 
things to me, they're not very 

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accurate and I trust her like 
she knows what I can and cannot 

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handle a of a TV show and she's 
like, yeah, there's a couple of 

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jump scares with the monster and
season 1 but apart from that 

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like it says, it goes on, is 
more of a mystery that is 

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horror. 
It's you know then we get really

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into the 80s and the Russians 
and I'm like, okay so we started

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watching it. 
It and then like first episode 

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was kind of. 
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But then, like we said, watching
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started bent watching it and I 
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Like I've just been watching it 
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watch it together so you don't 
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honestly, it's been so long. 
I remember season. 

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What I barely remember, season 2
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Because this point have been 
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out and said, yeah. 
Until then like, we want to been

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watching and I've ever getting 
kind of like, you did to the end

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of the night and be like, we 
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went into the freaking tree. 
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So then we had to stay up. 
We were like up to like 11:00 at

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night and it was like, because 
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she wanted to the tree. 
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tree? 
Like what it's the movie? 

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Just like, binge. 
Watch that for season one and 

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then season 2 and season 3 and 
we couldn't been watch season 

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for the same way because it was 
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And she was like, on a trip of 
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like, we watched it in like, 
yeah, I think volume one came 

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out rewards like everything we 
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I like the Friday that I went 
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don't like watch the rest of it.
So, um, yeah. 

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We both got really into it. 
And yeah, I've just become 

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totally obsessed. 
So, like, Ashley's. 

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I'd never seen it before and I 
kind of was like, I kind of wish

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I'd watched it sooner because, 
you know, I think it would have 

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been cool, like, I see stuff. 
Online, on my go, we've been 

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called to be part of that. 
Or like, when I was looking up, 

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stuff for Halloween costume this
year, I went as Chrissy and 

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nice. 
Yeah, I was Googling stuff and, 

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you know, different obviously 
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them now, right. 
And there was it turns out 

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there's like a nation I'm calab 
for season 3 and I'm looking at 

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it and I'm like, oh man, that's 
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Would have been coded by but you
can't, you only got it that 

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year, right? 
You can't get it anymore. 

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And so stuff like that, where 
I'm like, oh, that would have 

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been really cool. 
Yeah. 

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What were you say? 
You are we made. 

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Sure Devon didn't actually miss 
out on the latest. 

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Yeah, I got I got the Hellfire 
Vans because I have I have a 

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problem. 
I haven't any problem, any Eddie

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merchandise and has landed in my
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I fit into the Christmas gifts 
this year, too. 

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Yeah, like also, you know, 
Jasmine was talking about you 

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With the other actors being 
another stuff. 

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Yeah, that's one of the reasons 
that I chose to watch the It 

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movie in 2017 because I was 
like, hey, you know, well not in

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2017, businesslike, 2019. 
When I watched it, I was like, 

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oh, that's been wolfhard. 
I mean it should be that bad. 

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Very bad mistake because I do 
not like horror and so I if I 

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had to go back and redo that I 
would not have watched just 

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because he was going to be in 
it, but yeah. 

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One of the reasons I like 
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psychological stuff is because 
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know, they just helped me kind 
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It was been really good to help 

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me broaden my film and 
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So Zach, Devon what has been 
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Season of stranger things so 
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That's tough hardest question 
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know, I feel like it's 
hypocritical to say or mayor 

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something like because, you 
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like, oh the newest season is my
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think season for actually is my 
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far. 
So my I think my favorite is 

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want. 
I season one honestly, I really 

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like season one because it's 
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point of all the characters. 
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I thought that was a great way 

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to, you know, kick off a show. 
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like the Nostalgia Factor. 
Her and everything that you get 

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from from season one, I feel 
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I think season 1 in general, can

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stand on its own as its own 
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You don't actually need season 
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They're all fantastic. 
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on its own as an incredible show
and an incredible one shot. 

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I think the reason I still 
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even though there were character
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with especially for, you know, 
Finn For Mike and Jonathan when 

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season four was on, it was 
really on. 

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Yep. 
Like everything, involving 

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Nancy, Steve Austin, it was so 
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The Hawkins crew was on the 
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I was going to hate the entire 
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they ended up like in the actual
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demagogue and is down there from
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Anton, it took off and I 
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I thought I was going to hate 
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Yeah, it's me, you know watching
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stranger things. 
Math course I wasn't, you know, 

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they're in 2016 to watch it but 
the first time I watched it, I 

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really enjoyed it because it's 
got like you know first time you

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hear a really good song and even
though you you enjoy listening 

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to it, you know, multiple times 
you're never going to get that. 

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The feelings sensations of 
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time ever again. 
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stranger things is like you're 
never going to Thrill of of, you

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know, the first eight minutes of
this show ever again. 

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So to me, that's why it's so 
iconic because, you know, they 

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started off like right away, 
will gets taken and then, boom. 

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We're off to the races. 
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it's, you know, it was very 
different, very different show 

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and, you know, it's still 20 
degree is, you know, they Like I

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know, you know, Obi Wan Kenobi, 
came out the same time season 

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for and to my knowledge season 
for out death, everyone and all 

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the categories, you know, 
because people like different, 

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but a good different, you know. 
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one after you watch season for 
do you? 

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In fact, no / Amory / one was in
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time of writing the first season
where d'you think that came 

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later we didn't we talked we 
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talk about this a lot that we 
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in their mind until like, season
two, right? 

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Yeah, we land it on. 
I think the Way That season one 

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plays out and especially the way
it ends and the Text of 

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understanding that The Duffer 
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not the show was going to be a 
success. 

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They didn't know whether or not 
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They initially intended to 
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It was a different story every 
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characters. 
Not even based on Hawkins or 

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anything. 
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With all of that, in mind, it 
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had this plan in season one. 
I do think, I think we've talked

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about this pretty extensively. 
We both think that once they 

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started writing season 2, They 
planned out at least a rough 

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sketch of everything to come 
afterward. 

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Yeah, it seems pretty apparent 
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the plan. 
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lot more things together with 
like, season 4 and possible 

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future things with season two, 
then we did with season one. 

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Like we would, we would watch 
things like, I don't, that 

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doesn't seem like, it's going to
have anything to do with what's 

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going to happen next, right? 
Like, this doesn't play with the

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rules. 
They established later on at 

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all. 
Like yeah, there's a lot of that

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in season 1. 
Yeah, definitely you could you 

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could definitely view season. 
One is actually be as being a 

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standalone season because I 
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2 on word is you can definitely 
tell that's when they knew where

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they wanted to go with the 
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knew they wanted to do something
with number one because you know

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what that companion novel. 
Ville, whatever came out. 

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The author was allowed to write 
about whatever she wanted to. 

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She just couldn't write about 
number one. 

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So I do think, you know, they 
they didn't, they had a plan to 

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eventually include. 
Number one, possibly is the gun,

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but I don't think the Batman 
Henry Grill stuff came until 

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they were possibly writing 
season 4. 

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Yeah, I knew you guys, you talk 
a lot about understand. 

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That's why I was like, I have to
ask because you don't know. 

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Well, now, he's a big part of 
the show and it's ending. 

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So, it's only natural for us to 
speculate, okay. 

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We has, has he been a part of 
their plan from the beginning or

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was, or is it, you know, just 
him coming in now, too? 

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Wrap up the story, right? 
Was he always supposed to be the

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big bad and that's kind of like 
what we're trying to speculate a

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little bit. 
Yeah, we want to find all the 

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evidence for it and I think 
there was a, there was a big 

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moment in season two, that 
really solidified it for us. 

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Whether the clock. 
Oh, look in the end credits. 

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Yeah. 
In the in the end credits of one

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of the episodes you hear the 
clock from season four. 

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College. 
I want people making the edits 

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of 15 people make a difference 
in those edits with the day. 

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They talk about like where you 
can hear a clock throughout the 

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seasons. 
If you guys, you knows I do know

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what you're what you're talking 
about with that, but this was 

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different. 
So this was just like just the 

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end of an episode like you know 
how sometimes when the credits 

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will go, it'll be a like the a 
continuation of the song that 

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the episode ends on or you know,
just Sometimes it's just silence

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and there was one particular 
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I don't remember what I'm pretty
sure it's immediately after the 

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smoke is going into will, okay? 
Okay, so the end of that episode

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and like during the credits, 
like, when the credits are 

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rolling, it's a clear like 
grandfather clock, like chime 

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length, chime. 
It doesn't sound like warped and

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old like it does in season 4, 
but it is clear. 

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That it is a grandfather clock. 
And I remember when we, when we 

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were watching that again, I was 
just like, that's a grandfather 

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clock. 
Do they know what they're doing?

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I'm pretty sure if you take that
exact sound effect that they use

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without episode, throw it into 
an audio editor and slow it down

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a couple decibels. 
You're going to hear the 

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grandfather clock from season 
four? 

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Yeah. 
That's pretty cool. 

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Yeah I hadn't thought of that 
would usually I don't I'll be as

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a usually I don't wait around 
unless it's like a season finale

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because I want to see if there's
a post credit scene or not. 

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Yeah that's Rangers. 
I have to go back and re-watch 

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the episode to see if it's in 
there. 

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I mean like you know when Hopper
first goes into the upside down 

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and season 2 there's like a 
little dong Almost like, that's 

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what I heard was thinking of Yas
in the guidance of that one and 

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that one always gets me because 
it's like it. 

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I think it's subtle to the point
that you don't notice it. 

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But now that we know that 
there's something with the clock

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and vecna now you can stack, 
I've noticed people started to 

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pick up on more stuff so yeah, I
don't just think about it, I 

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don't know, like, we're not 
listening to your podcast. 

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I was thinking I was like, yeah,
like maybe you're right of, they

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didn't have that plan to season 
two. 

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But then on the other hand part 
of me is like well maybe they're

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just pieces that were missing. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like after watching season for 
my kind of feeling was like, 

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okay maybe this was the plan all
along or at least part of this 

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was the plan and there's just 
like a piece of the puzzle we're

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missing. 
That was kind of the vibe. 

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I got out of season for like we 
got to the end of it. 

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I'm like wait we didn't find out
this this, this, this, this, 

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this, this we're missing piece 
of the puzzle. 

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So like totally get what you 
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the vibe I got was I feel like 
we're just missing piece of the 

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puzzle. 
So that's kind of that's kind of

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where I'm at. 
Yeah, definitely I think a big 

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one is why is the upside down 
stuck in the day that will went 

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missing? 
And we have theory about that. 

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Like we will have to go super 
into that right now but like 

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that's a big piece of the puzzle
that they need to explain Yak 

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season if they don't, it's like 
total missed opportunity. 

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Yeah, I think we're gonna have 
to go ahead Jasmine soon as I 

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did, they have the different 
because I thought they were 

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going and they didn't and I know
you guys have talked about this 

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extensively, so won't go too 
much into it. 

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But something that, you know, 
when I was in the episode, I was

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like, you'd like, oh this 
doesn't work and I'm like, oh 

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it's going to do that. 
That's how you guys saw it. 

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Because to me I'm like the vibe 
I got was like it's not that it 

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doesn't work. 
It's that like will has the kind

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of special relationship with the
upside down and I thought we 

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were going to get into that 
volunteer because I set that up 

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and then I'm like, oh we're not,
we're not, it's like, oh no, 

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we're going to season 5. 
So I'm super excited about the 

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exhibit. 
Will's going to be like a big 

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focal point of season 5 and all 
my all right because I love Rosa

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character and his people keep 
putting out this season. 

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They're like will witnessing and
then he got possessed and then 

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he got sidelined and then he's 
in a van and like when is Wills 

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going to be Wills moment to 
shine. 

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So I'm super excited for season 
5 and in my heart I feel like 

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we're missing a piece of the 
puzzle that piece of the puzzles

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will we're going to see it and 
even if it doesn't line up 

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perfectly, I'm still super 
excited for it like So excited 

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for that about season 5, 
absolutely. 

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We've been saying the same 
thing. 

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We need to write like will is 
five needs to be Wills time to 

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shine. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100% 100%. 
So I'm going to be the outlier 

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here and hopefully, you know, 
you will still want to come back

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on our show even after I say 
this, but on, I just want you to

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keep in mind that I like, will, 
like I have nothing against will

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buyers as a character or as a 
person but II, do not think, 

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right? 
As of right now, with giving 

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zero context of season 5, I just
don't think that will is He's 

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going to be at quite as 
important. 

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I think is some fans. 
Have, you know, that want him to

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be. 
I mean, it could be like you do 

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in season 5 instead of, you 
know, feeling the tingling on 

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his neck and not telling anyone,
he could be like, hey guys, he's

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here. 
You know, it's probably going to

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be something like that because, 
you know, characters have been 

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hyped up. 
For and then once you see it on 

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screen, nothing ever, actually 
comes to fruition. 

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So I'm not, I'm not going down 
that train just yet until I get 

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a little bit more context. 
You know, teasers trailers, you 

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know that sort of thing because 
I think I think at the end of 

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the day What's going to happen 
in season 5 is they're going to 

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have everything happen and then 
it's going to be for an epic 

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showdown between 11 and vecna. 
Weather will whatever party 

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plays in that or not. 
I don't really know but that's 

444
00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:44,400
just my take on will for next 
season only because, you know, 

445
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,200
they've had so much time to 
continue to develop him and is 

446
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,400
Jasmine pointed out, you know, 
they sidelined him. 

447
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,900
And then This season they just 
put them in a van and they don't

448
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:57,900
really have them doing much. 
And I just wanted to the fifth 

449
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:01,100
and final season, I don't really
know if they have time to 

450
00:26:01,100 --> 00:26:05,200
completely give him a bunch of 
stuff and then explain, you know

451
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,600
why he's able to do this this 
and this because you know, one 

452
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,300
of them fears I have for season 
5 in general was that they're 

453
00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:17,900
not going to have enough time to
you know wrap up the story lines

454
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:23,400
have been set and season. 
Or much less all the ones from 

455
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,500
back in season one either 
potholes that have yet to be 

456
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:30,300
answered. 
So, I just want for season 5 

457
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,600
like if it's important for will 
to, you know, have powers or 

458
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,200
what have you and it aids the 
plot then by all means, please 

459
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,100
do that. 
But if it's not, please don't 

460
00:26:43,300 --> 00:26:45,700
waste a second of screen time on
it. 

461
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:50,100
When there's other more 
important things that you could,

462
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:54,200
you know, be Aiming for it but 
that's just that's just my hot 

463
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,600
take. 
That's probably the last one for

464
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:02,200
that that I give. 
So yeah I mean I wouldn't be 

465
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,800
surprised if if you're right and
that you know, he really doesn't

466
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,900
have much of a role to play in 
the final showdown. 

467
00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:11,400
I think if nothing else. 
I think he'll be the Catalyst 

468
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,900
for solving a lot of the 
Mysteries that we still have 

469
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:15,900
leftover. 
Yeah. 

470
00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:20,700
Yeah, I would I would be really 
fine with that because, you 

471
00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:26,800
know, For will barge is the only
person that has lived in the, 

472
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,200
you know, been in the upside 
down for a week and live to tell

473
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,900
the tale. 
So, absolutely, you know, we 

474
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:35,900
need to learn something about it
from his perspective because we 

475
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,900
never really have so far on the 
show, which I think is a shame 

476
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:42,000
then. 
Yeah. 

477
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,900
By all means, please. 
Do that. 

478
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,400
Get her brother's. 
If you're watching this podcast,

479
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:49,700
please do that. 
If you haven't checked it out, 

480
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:51,400
there is the comic and its 
really good. 

481
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:53,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

482
00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:57,600
I'm like on that note. 
I feel like the solution to like

483
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,500
this is about you, we're not 
put, all you guys are raising is

484
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,600
to me like and actually have 
talked with us about this on the

485
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,900
podcast, but is there some kind 
of not a flashback episode but 

486
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,900
something where, you know, kind 
of like I like how they enter. 

487
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:13,600
Whoa, more 11th back story this 
season we're like, she was in 

488
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,600
the present but also in the past
and I like the way they did 

489
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,000
that. 
And so I'm kind of hoping for 

490
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,400
something like that. 
Don't even like we've talked 

491
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,500
about, you know, seeing a level 
And Escape, you know, see more 

492
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:27,600
of will be upside down. 
And so I feel like that's a good

493
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,000
solution. 
I mean like if they're showing 

494
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,100
it through flashbacks or like 
you have one of those scenes, I 

495
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,200
love it when they do it. 
Well, like a character is about 

496
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,700
to explain something and like 
cut to a flashback that way we 

497
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,400
can see it visually. 
So that's interesting to us 

498
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,700
without like standing there 
while I character expositions to

499
00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:46,000
everybody else, because I feel 
like that's a lot of issued 

500
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,800
other TV shows, so I'm kind of 
hoping for something like that. 

501
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,000
Will we get that At backstory, 
like, a visually interesting way

502
00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,000
that kind of fills us in. 
So, when we cut back to the 

503
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,800
president's like, all right, now
that we all understand and the 

504
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,300
characters understand we can 
move forward. 

505
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:04,800
Yeah, so that's also why I'm 
excited for that because I 

506
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,200
really enjoyed when they have 
done flashbacks like that, I 

507
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,300
think I think they do them. 
Well, Yeah. 

508
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:12,700
Yeah. 
An 11th Powers. 

509
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:15,000
Create the perfect opportunity 
to do that in an interesting 

510
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,800
way? 
Yeah, absolutely. 

511
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,900
Yes, I don't resent. 
So it's Jasmine. 

512
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:25,000
Just mention briefly there about
eleven Skype. 

513
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,800
And this is something that we've
we've talked about a lot, you 

514
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,700
know, either on here or, you 
know, just, you know 

515
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,000
conversation. 
So I wanted to ask you guys, is 

516
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,900
opinion on it. 
What do you think was the 

517
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:45,600
catalyst? 
Calls 11 to leave the lab part 

518
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:52,800
of the Season 1 happenings. 
I don't know if we talked about 

519
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,300
it on the podcast, but I think 
we might have talked about it 

520
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:59,900
like together. 
Like don't like her final straw.

521
00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:05,000
Was that the cat? 
Yeah, it's yeah, we're we're 

522
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,500
chandelier killing guards. 
Yeah, like Brenner wanted her to

523
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,400
kill the cat and she refused and
then wound up, you know, she was

524
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
getting punished or whatever and
wellness, like I think that was 

525
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,600
like kind of hurt. 
Tipping Point, like, I need to 

526
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,100
get out. 
Well, also, I think she escapes 

527
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,600
immediately after the 
demagoguing gets out, so it also

528
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,200
could have been a fear reaction 
because she touches the 

529
00:30:31,208 --> 00:30:36,000
demagogue and it sees her, and 
then as much as we can line up 

530
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,700
that timeline, that's when the 
demo Gorgon kind of finds the 

531
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:42,400
lab and they'll tear opens up 
and it gets out. 

532
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,700
So, It might have also just been
like hey II can't do that again.

533
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:52,900
Yeah, stop making me do this 
kind of thing because you can 

534
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,200
like when you see her and in the
lab and stuff, even in season 

535
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,200
one you can tell she's not happy
with anything. 

536
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,600
So like between the cat and the 
and all of that, I think it was 

537
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,800
just like she had just reached 
our final straw. 

538
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,000
It was like, I need to piece 
like bye. 

539
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,700
I don't know why I know this way
out but I know I know it. 

540
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:50,100
Yeah, that's fine. 
Like that bogus. 

541
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:53,300
But this one I actually buy 
because if you would like if you

542
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:56,200
invited of trauma, especially 
someone who's very, very young 

543
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,900
like I could that does make 
sense to me as like a trauma 

544
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:02,000
response. 
I got a true trauma response. 

545
00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:05,800
I was like, yeah, I really hope 
we're getting a flashback to 

546
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,300
that because you know, whatever 
that Catalyst was, you know, I 

547
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:10,800
mean if it was fear, if it was 
just you here. 

548
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Final straw what I'm trying to 
figure out after. 

549
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,100
What did she divorce? 
I'm like, how did she make you 

550
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:17,900
for practice or somewhere in her
mind? 

551
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:19,200
She knew how to get out. 
Out. 

552
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,000
But since they caught one and 
eleven down there like when 

553
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600
several years prior obviously 
they would have amped up 

554
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,900
security. 
So I want to know how she got 

555
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:33,100
from the lab into the basement 
to get outside. 

556
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:37,700
Like I want to see that because 
I'm like how did she do that? 

557
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,700
Since very like Runner and the 
staff would have been informed 

558
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:42,400
of. 
This is the thing, this is a way

559
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,400
out and she's done it before or 
almost got out that way. 

560
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,300
So that's what I want to know. 
I have a A sneaking suspicion 

561
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,600
that that's going to get hand 
waved by the Duffer's. 

562
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:56,300
I like I agree with you. 
I would really love to know 

563
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,700
exactly how that went down. 
Yeah, so true, like they saw 

564
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:06,100
them down there in the past. 
They would have amped up, 

565
00:33:06,100 --> 00:33:08,100
security. 
There would have been like 

566
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:13,000
guards to keep that. 
Like, you can't nobody like as a

567
00:33:13,008 --> 00:33:16,700
restricted area and then she 
just goes out the same way. 

568
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,700
Yeah, I like I hope you're not 
going to have way back and I'm 

569
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:24,900
like well if they are going to 
hand wave it, I like I'm not 

570
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:27,800
sure what the point of bringing 
that up was because like, it 

571
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,400
wasn't like, we all have burning
question. 

572
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,000
What caused her to leave the 
lab? 

573
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:32,400
What? 
Cause we get out that way. 

574
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,300
There wasn't a burning question,
I don't think anybody had so I 

575
00:33:36,308 --> 00:33:38,500
hope we are going to dive back 
into that because mother thought

576
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:42,000
was well, like back when all the
other kids were at the lab, it 

577
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,500
was easier for her to kind of 
not sneak out. 

578
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:48,600
But like there's more 
distractions available To kind 

579
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,500
of pull like a one over by the 
time right before season 1 

580
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,000
start, she's the only kid their 
brothers. 

581
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,700
The only original surviving 
member because everyone else in 

582
00:33:58,700 --> 00:34:01,700
the lab is dead. 
So all the staff from new or 

583
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:05,500
they've retired. 
Like since we know that Kali 

584
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,500
looks up like they look up the 
other guy that like you know 

585
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:09,600
what I mean? 
Like everyone else is there 

586
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,699
left, the lab or we can killed 
in the massacre at that point. 

587
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,400
So all the other new people like
they would be told this and they

588
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,400
would be told and Security. 
So I hope they're not going to 

589
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,699
hand wave it just because that's
something I really liked about 

590
00:34:24,699 --> 00:34:26,199
season 4 and I hope it pays off 
is. 

591
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,699
There's a lot of things. 
Those are sort of like, father, 

592
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,100
like romantic storyline. 
So I'm like, well, never thought

593
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,699
that was coming back. 
Didn't have a burning desire to 

594
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,199
see that. 
Come back, not unhappy about it.

595
00:34:36,699 --> 00:34:39,500
Happy about it actually. 
But like that wasn't a burning 

596
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:41,100
question. 
We were left with after three 

597
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:44,400
seasons so I thought that was an
interesting way to take it. 

598
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,699
You know what I mean to bring up
these questions that like nobody

599
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:51,600
really had and be Like what if 
or hey we could bring this back 

600
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,900
you know so I'm hoping I'm 
hoping they do come back that 

601
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:58,800
stuff because I'm like if they 
if they don't and they just 

602
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,200
brought it up when we didn't 
need to know. 

603
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,800
Like it wasn't a burning 
question. 

604
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:07,100
I think I will be disappointed. 
Honestly, I literally just had a

605
00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:08,700
thought about this while we were
talking about it. 

606
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,300
She probably at least from a 
timeline perspective. 

607
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:13,600
She probably escaped at the same
time. 

608
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,300
The demagoguing was doing his 
thing inside the lab and 

609
00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:18,100
murdering people at the 
beginning of the season. 

610
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Oh, and thought about that 
because it reminded me like I 

611
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,100
feel like it what you see such a
gorgon but today actually does 

612
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:27,000
go into the lab I'd forgotten 
about that. 

613
00:35:27,008 --> 00:35:30,500
I know remember seeing in the 
void so she doesn't see it there

614
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:35,000
at the beginning but like that 
set off a big red alert across 

615
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,900
the entire lab like you know the
sirens wailing and everything. 

616
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,900
All the staff is totally 
rambling. 

617
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:42,800
Yeah. 
So that would have given her the

618
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,500
perfect opportunity to slip out.
Okay. 

619
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,000
Never let a good crisis go. 
To waste, right? 

620
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:23,300
From The Boiler Room. 
I mean, you know from a boiler 

621
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:26,500
room all the way to the edge of 
the woods beyond the fence. 

622
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,800
That is a really a long way and 
I know, you know, she's a tiny 

623
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,900
child but still that's that's a 
very very long way that's why 

624
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:42,900
she was alone. 
When they, when they find the 

625
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,700
scrap of like her gown I feel 
like it's either mr. 

626
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,500
Clark or one of the deputies, 
doesn't someone comment on goes 

627
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:50,300
really a kids are there. 
It's pretty small. 

628
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,800
At Hoppers like depends how 
small the kid is. 

629
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,700
Yeah. 
That's what made him think it 

630
00:36:55,707 --> 00:36:58,100
was will because we'll such a 
small small little guy. 

631
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:02,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, although I love something 

632
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,400
I really love about Hoppers of 
character and I'm excited to 

633
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,400
kind of see this, you know, when
he come back in season 5, but 

634
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,700
like, even when it can be an 
ass, he's a really good cop. 

635
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,700
And those moments when he's 
looking for, with the people 

636
00:37:15,700 --> 00:37:18,900
around him being like, Oh my 
God, like why? 

637
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,700
Like, I know I chose to move 
back here but why is everyone 

638
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:29,000
around me so like incompetent 
like oh my God, that is one of 

639
00:37:29,008 --> 00:37:32,300
my favorite things. 
And something I'm really excited

640
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,300
for season 5 is I think there's 
a lot of those moments where 

641
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:36,400
Hoppers like, oh my God, this is
the best we got. 

642
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,300
I'm so excited to see the gang 
in the party all come together 

643
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:43,200
in season five and now I feel 
like we're kind of past that to 

644
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,600
be like all right if you're here
you've earned your place here. 

645
00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:49,800
So let's just like get to work 
and be like you know that sounds

646
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000
like a dumb idea but it could be
possible. 

647
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,800
So let's just let's just go with
it and see if we can make this 

648
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,300
work. 
I'm super excited for that. 

649
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,700
Also think about season 11 of my
favorite lines. 

650
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,700
At season is when him and Joyce 
are talking and they're talking 

651
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,500
about the drawing and she said, 
well, is it? 

652
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,100
Is it good? 
Like is the art good. 

653
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:11,600
And he's like, I don't know what
the kids drawing and she shows 

654
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,500
it to him and he goes have I 
been chasing the wrong kid this 

655
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:19,600
whole time Scheels like one of 
the best moments of that season 

656
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,900
for me is it's like yeah that's 
even better going back and 

657
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:25,800
knowing like the relationship 
him 11. 

658
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,700
Haven't be like nah man. 
You're chasing your daughter. 

659
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,900
Yeah. 
Exactly, exactly. 

660
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,800
And I've heard you mention on 
your podcast before that, you 

661
00:38:36,808 --> 00:38:39,600
know, that was one of the 
relationships that you think was

662
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,100
planned out from the beginning. 
And I agree just like her and 

663
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,400
Mike's relationship, I think 
they definitely. 

664
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,500
They knew they wanted to get 
the, you know, eleven and Hopper

665
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:54,400
together as father and daughter 
and her, and might be others, 

666
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,400
you know, boyfriend girlfriend 
type and I think that's, you 

667
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,700
know, Her and her daughter's 
relationship is like a very 

668
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:07,800
beautiful relationship because, 
you know, he lost his daughter 

669
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,900
to cancer and then he's gained a
daughter of it, you know, under 

670
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,700
very different circumstances 
than one would like. 

671
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,100
But and it you took him a while 
to learn how to be a father to a

672
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:26,400
daughter of her age. 
But once, you know, he jailed 

673
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,700
and me, he really gelled and, 
and You know, I know things are 

674
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,100
going to be different in season 
5, but I do hope we get more 

675
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,100
Hopper 11 screen time next 
season. 

676
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:43,600
Oh, we need to definitely they. 
Yeah, because even I mean, we 

677
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,000
haven't really watched season 3 
but like, I don't know why. 

678
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,800
He was just, I just I want to 
see them. 

679
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,100
I want to see them were 
together. 

680
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:54,200
I want to see that that Dynamic 
play out a little bit more, 

681
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,800
especially because of how 
affected 11 is all through 

682
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,000
season 4. 
Yeah, over hopping hopping 

683
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,100
around like Heartbreaking. 
Like the first couple episodes 

684
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:06,100
like when she makes the diorama 
like, oh my God. 

685
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:11,200
Y'all, oh yeah, I knew she was 
doomed when she said that. 

686
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,800
I was like, yeah. 
And then just like that little 

687
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:20,400
that reunions at the end of the 
last episode of Season 4 was it 

688
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,400
was not long enough for you know
everything that she had gone 

689
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,100
through. 
I just I need I need more, I 

690
00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:31,700
need more, I need more daddy 
hop. / and an 11. 

691
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:38,200
I just need it. 
So I'm sorry. 

692
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,900
Go ahead. 
That's the sound that know like 

693
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,000
like I love their Moment Like 
It's So subtle but I love their 

694
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000
moment when she's like, she's 
freaking out and crying. 

695
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,600
She's like, I never stopped 
believing. 

696
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,200
I kept the door open three 
inches because he was so like he

697
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,000
was, he was so freaking out 
about that last season and he's 

698
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,400
just like I know it's okay. 
And I really like I was you 

699
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,900
never wish someone to wind up in
the situation hoppers in but as 

700
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:07,000
a lot of people have commented 
on, I think it's Always him kind

701
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,900
of this has been such a horrible
experience, like the worst thing

702
00:41:09,908 --> 00:41:12,000
you could possibly go through, 
right? 

703
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,300
Like we see a lot of horrible 
stuff but I think being tortured

704
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:20,000
and held in a Russian prison 
like the worst like one early is

705
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,400
one of the worst. 
And I think I love the kind of 

706
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,500
we're I wasn't long enough but 
he came back with that moment of

707
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:28,800
kind of like it puts things into
perspective, right? 

708
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,800
Things that really bothered. 
You like the fact that your 

709
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,200
daughter is dating. 
Or the fact, they will keep the 

710
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,000
door open 3 inches, no longer 
matter where you just type that 

711
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,700
And, yeah, I loved it. 
Yeah, like, I love, they give 

712
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:44,000
you short, but like, I loved 
like, it's just the entire 

713
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,900
demeanor changes. 
Like, it's okay, it's okay. 

714
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,300
Even my green-eyed. 
Oh my God. 

715
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:58,300
Waterworks and ya Sayyid, more, 
that and us some people 

716
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,800
commented, we didn't off of, 
like the buyers Hopper, fit the 

717
00:42:02,808 --> 00:42:10,400
begin in Joyce's is take the 
Yeah, but we didn't stop and I 

718
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,600
gotta get to, they had to get 
the ball rolling. 

719
00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,300
I get that. 
But I really hope to see more 

720
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:18,700
kind of domestic moments in kind
of Interest. 

721
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:21,100
Are supremely action in season 
5. 

722
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,800
I didn't get just as interesting
Dynamic, you know, between the 

723
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,000
five of them. 
Like I'm just very interested to

724
00:42:27,008 --> 00:42:32,200
see more of that for them. 
I think what we need to see we 

725
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,000
need to see both Mike and 
Jonathan have their characters. 

726
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:38,000
Fixed up from where they were in
season 4. 

727
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,000
We need like season 1 through 3,
Mike and Jonathan to come back 

728
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,000
so that we can have those 
relationships really play out on

729
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,600
screen because I feel like will 
stepped it. 

730
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,100
Like even for his unsure as will
is in everything. 

731
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,900
He does, he stepped into the 
shoes of like being the Big 

732
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:57,200
Brother 411 during that time. 
And we only got like a small 

733
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,000
glimpse of it and Jonathan 
decided. 

734
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,700
All right, well I'm gonna go get
high and hang out with our Kyle 

735
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:07,800
from now on like yeah. 
Actor. 

736
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,900
Also is like, my friend said, 
comment on this, but, like, in 

737
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:14,400
previous Seasons, like, Jonathan
was like actively pursuing 

738
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,200
something, right? 
Yeah, that was taken. 

739
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,300
That was his entire character. 
Okay. 

740
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,800
And then season for comes along 
and he's we don't seem to take a

741
00:43:24,808 --> 00:43:29,500
single for a lot of the eat 
holds, the camera at a point and

742
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:32,200
he's just not getting high with 
Argyle and like I've watched 

743
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,500
people said this to me, but 
they're like Mike and we'll the 

744
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,300
ones. 
Taking the lead when they're on 

745
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:40,200
the road trip, which is, it's a,
because they're like, what 14 

746
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,400
15, right? 
It's like a giant Jonathan. 

747
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:57,100
I like I feel like he's done. 
He's done. 

748
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:05,500
He started doing the work to be 
a better friend and I'm like 

749
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,500
your heart is goes out to will. 
He's trying so hard here, he's 

750
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:12,500
being everything to everybody. 
Putting everybody like setting 

751
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,800
himself on fire to keep 
everybody else warm poor guy and

752
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:23,200
yeah Mike, pull your head out of
your ass like, Just come on, 

753
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,800
dude. 
Well deserves better. 

754
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,600
He does well deserves better. 
Yeah. 

755
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,000
Okay. 100% like, I'm not opposed
to beiler, but I think here's my

756
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,300
dream for season 5, one of them 
like he normally, does he 

757
00:44:36,308 --> 00:44:39,600
deserve better but I'd really 
love to see will you know, find 

758
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,500
love with another student like 
another student at this, their 

759
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:46,700
high school or something because
I like to me Like either Mike 

760
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:51,000
doesn't love him back or if he 
does he's been a real ass about 

761
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,500
it. 
Like he's being really like he 

762
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:55,000
deserves better. 
You know I mean like well 

763
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,300
deserve somebody I love well and
he deserves somebody. 

764
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:02,600
I think he was like 100% into 
him like Robin and Victor into 

765
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,900
each other like I want that for 
him, you know? 

766
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,800
Like he just yeah like I mean 
not even not even on like the 

767
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,400
beiler sense but just said, like
in the Friendship way like will 

768
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,800
deserves to have a better friend
than my Mike was to him and and 

769
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,300
season for just so just overall,
like, be nice. 

770
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000
The whole birthday thing. 
The birthday thing like it was 

771
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,000
his birthday roller gate was his
birthday and nobody said, happy 

772
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,600
birthday to will. 
It was all just I'm gonna smash 

773
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,100
this girl in the face with the 
roller skate. 

774
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:36,700
Wow, I might actually be a 
continuity error, but if it is, 

775
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,300
it's a really funny one. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

776
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:43,700
I'm divided on whether that's a 
continuity error or not, but 

777
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:45,900
regardless, like, I think I 
agree. 

778
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:50,000
Like, it's like from 11 from 11 
perspective, I get where she's 

779
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,400
coming from, right? 
Like she's obviously dealing 

780
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,600
with some trauma, and it's not 
been living Society in her. 

781
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,300
And you don't see much of it, 
but like her and will clearly 

782
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:01,600
have this special bond. 
Right? 

783
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,500
And so, I get her but like 
Lindy's pissed at me because 

784
00:46:05,500 --> 00:46:07,300
it's like, you, you were 
killing. 

785
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:08,600
Not dealing with this type of 
trauma. 

786
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,400
I mean, He has trauma as well 
but like not the same and it's 

787
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,700
like you know you you we grew up
in the same town like you know, 

788
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:16,700
I'm going to be miserable all 
day. 

789
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:19,600
If I'm third-wheeling, like you 
didn't even hug me at the 

790
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:25,800
airport, like and like I feel 
like it wasn't love with Mike. 

791
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
He wouldn't be putting up with 
his shit, you know what I mean? 

792
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:35,400
Oh, you like Lucas? 
Yeah. 

793
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:59,500
We'll also have a roller skate. 
Let's just have a little theory 

794
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:04,100
about maybe why Mike is so 
indifferent to will especially 

795
00:47:04,100 --> 00:47:07,600
in season four. 
I think it's because he knows 

796
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:13,000
that will is gay and probably He
knows that will, you know, has 

797
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,200
feelings for him and I think I'm
not saying that Mike is like 

798
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,100
homophobic because I mean 
there's been no real evidence to

799
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,100
point to that. 
I think really what it is is 

800
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:32,600
Mike either a doesn't know how 
to, you know, respond to that or

801
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,300
be. 
He doesn't want well to get the 

802
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:42,200
wrong idea of, you know, I wish 
Deprecated, those feelings. 

803
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,000
And I think that's why, you 
know, like you said you didn't 

804
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,900
hug him at the airport I think. 
Because it was very, very 

805
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:52,500
awkward and he didn't even like,
you know, give him a clap on the

806
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:55,500
back or anything. 
It was like, Hey, you know, and 

807
00:47:55,500 --> 00:48:01,500
I think it's because, you know, 
Mike knows Wills gay and knows 

808
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:04,600
that will has feelings for him, 
and I don't think he wants. 

809
00:48:05,100 --> 00:48:07,300
I don't think he wants will to 
be hurt. 

810
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,900
I need one especially himself 
because I'm a do you think he 

811
00:48:13,900 --> 00:48:17,800
sees Wills his best friend? 
And I think what might really 

812
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,500
wants will understand is like, 
you know, will Evans my 

813
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:21,700
girlfriend? 
I love a lot of them. 

814
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:28,000
We can still be best buds, but 
we can't be, you know, you know,

815
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,900
in a relationship or anything 
and I don't want to hurt your 

816
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,300
feelings by telling you that. 
So it's best. 

817
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,500
If I, you know, act like an 
awkward jerk. 

818
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:40,400
Jerk. 
So that's my little theory on 

819
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,700
that. 
I think that's what drives me 

820
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:47,000
nuts about season for Mike is 
season 1 and 2. 

821
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,300
Mike is a more emotionally 
intelligent character than the 

822
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:57,100
exact same kid. 
Two years later which I would 

823
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:02,200
like to thank is somehow 
intentional but to me it just it

824
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,400
like to me it feels like them 
saying we don't like we've kind 

825
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,600
of forgotten, how Mike Act like 
as a character, you know what I 

826
00:49:10,607 --> 00:49:13,500
mean? 
Like, I feel like that that same

827
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:16,300
token that same season 1, Mike 
that we saw. 

828
00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:20,500
If he had those same ideas, he 
wouldn't choose to be a jerk to 

829
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:22,400
will. 
He would choose to be like a 

830
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:28,700
supportive friend who has like 
trouble navigating this like, 

831
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:31,300
not not to not to Poopoo your 
theory because I'm actually, 

832
00:49:31,300 --> 00:49:34,800
like, I kind of agree with you, 
but like, that's why I feel like

833
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,800
that character is kind of Done 
Dirty this season like Like 

834
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:44,000
yeah, yeah and him and Jonathan 
just their actions. 

835
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,800
Don't match the characters we've
been watching. 

836
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:51,100
Yeah, I'm not that like I'm not 
that concerned about like if Joe

837
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:54,700
doesn't care doesn't recover, I 
think I'm fine with that but I 

838
00:49:54,707 --> 00:49:59,000
agree about Mike that like and I
really hope because I don't know

839
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,600
if you guys were thinking this 
but like when we wouldn't want 

840
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,500
you hadn't come out yet I was 
expecting we're going to get to 

841
00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,800
Volume 2 and we're going to find
what's really going on with 

842
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,900
Jonathan because obviously it's 
like what everything but I'm 

843
00:50:07,908 --> 00:50:12,100
like, okay, did he not get into 
Emerson or NYU? 

844
00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:14,300
Did he not did he knock it into 
a.apply? 

845
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:15,600
Like I thought we were going to 
find that out. 

846
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,500
We didn't And then like there 
was going to be a review. 

847
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,000
I thought he said he never 
applied but I don't know, I 

848
00:50:24,008 --> 00:50:26,800
might be wrong. 
Yeah, what he said, unless, I'm 

849
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,500
mistaken. 
I think, like, he tells our gal,

850
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:32,100
he's applied to Memorial 
Community College, but he does 

851
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:33,200
it. 
He says, I'm not going to 

852
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,800
Emerson, but it doesn't actually
say if he applied or not. 

853
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:39,400
So, I'm like, did he my friends 
have been doing and why did he 

854
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:46,400
never lie? 
No, I was just I was just 

855
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,200
saying. 
Yeah, he never he I was agreeing

856
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
with you like he never States 
whether or not he actually 

857
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,400
applied there and didn't get in 
or what he just says. 

858
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,000
He's not he's not going no 
going. 

859
00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:00,600
Yeah yeah. 
So I was like I was expecting to

860
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,800
get an answer that we did. 
So my God they've clearly got a 

861
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,200
good dress that and all of my 
friends, I said the middle 

862
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,500
Harper shows up he's gonna take 
one look at Jonathan and know 

863
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,600
that something is up. 
He's gonna like he's going to be

864
00:51:11,607 --> 00:51:13,800
better off. 
So, all three of them because 

865
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,300
he's been a cop is whole life, 
right? 

866
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,600
I like he's gonna take one. 
Look at them, we all wet, he's 

867
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,700
gonna take one. 
Look at those kids and be like, 

868
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,100
I mean, they're not kids 
anymore, but you know, like you 

869
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:22,400
said, take one. 
Look at me, like, what the hell?

870
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,100
And I think some of the bothered
me to think about a lot of 

871
00:51:25,107 --> 00:51:28,700
people, the end of season 4. 
Is that like a we skipped two 

872
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:31,700
days and be it's so short of 
their like that. 

873
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:35,800
If I don't want his epic or 
because we skip that time, it's 

874
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,900
cut off. 
So you're like the things. 

875
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:39,900
I think we're all expecting to 
kind of happen. 

876
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:45,500
Didn't happen there. 
Yeah, and I was hoping for that 

877
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:48,200
too and like I agree like I 
would I was I was also almost a 

878
00:51:48,207 --> 00:51:51,200
spending Bill to come out 
officially I was expecting. 

879
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:53,300
You know, us to get some more 
clarity on. 

880
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:54,100
What the hell is? 
Mike? 

881
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:56,000
Pratt Mike's problem, was this 
season? 

882
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:03,300
Like yes, and just with the two 
days thing, there's a lot that 

883
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:09,100
needs I feel like needs to get 
brought up, like, how did they 

884
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:15,500
get out of the upside down? 
When Are they it was the Rope 

885
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:18,800
was cut. 
Dustin clearly broke his leg 

886
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,300
trying to, like, get back in 
after getting out. 

887
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:25,000
Like you can't tell me that. 
They all just, like, formed a 

888
00:52:25,008 --> 00:52:28,500
human chain and climbed out the 
sit like, you know, plus plus 

889
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:30,400
the. 
The cracks started at each 

890
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,200
portal and when I started they 
cut that one dude in half so 

891
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,900
like was safe to go through 
those portals. 

892
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,000
I'm assuming from the other 
side. 

893
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,200
So like, how did they get out 
that there? 

894
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,500
They have a lot of explaining to
do and that to day time frame. 

895
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,500
And if it's just like glossed 
over or just like mentioned, 

896
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,600
that's something that I'm going 
to be really mad about because I

897
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:05,100
feel like that that's a that'll 
be a major plot hole if it's 

898
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:07,600
just like oh yeah. 
And we'll we did this to get out

899
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,700
of the upside down. 
No, I need to know details. 

900
00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:13,400
Like how did you do this? 
This go back, show us. 

901
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,200
Show us how that happened? 
Yeah, I'm also hoping for 

902
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,400
flashbacks there, I thought of a
friend of mine had a theory that

903
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:24,900
since they were in the Creole 
house, on the other side, or 

904
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,300
part of them were like, I don't 
know how Dustin would've gone 

905
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:30,100
back great, but they're like, 
oh, did they go back through one

906
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:32,800
of the openings in the quail 
house since there's forward to 

907
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,100
kind of hang onto without a 
little bit safer or something? 

908
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,500
Or they've you something in the 
quill house and I'm like, okay I

909
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:43,200
can kind of see that but then 
I'm like The where's that? 

910
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,000
He's body. 
Did they leave it down there? 

911
00:53:45,000 --> 00:54:00,200
That seem weird. 
But that's not what we. 

912
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,000
So I am very familiar with the 
cast Theory but that's not the 

913
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,600
theory that we will. 
The you that I am going with 

914
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,700
anymore. 
It's my own mind and Zach's own 

915
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:15,600
little concoction. 
Theory that we made up, but it 

916
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,700
kind of makes sense. 
But regardless of that, like, 

917
00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:21,400
right, I don't think that Dustin
would have been okay with just 

918
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,800
leaving his new best bud, 
Eddie's body in the upside down 

919
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,600
to just, like be there and life 
for the back for the back. 

920
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,500
There's, there's just, I need 
some flashbacks for those two 

921
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:37,700
days for clothes. 
Yeah. 

922
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:41,600
And on top of that, like I got 
that of that season, everyone. 

923
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,300
Trusts me, Ali and I'm like, 
there's Mike Noah and he died. 

924
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:52,100
Oh my God, at about it. 
They were friends. 

925
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,700
Didn't know what he's like, his 
hair out to match his right. 

926
00:54:57,100 --> 00:54:58,800
I feel like you would have been 
upset. 

927
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:04,200
So like I don't remember 
watching. 

928
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:09,800
I remember watching volume. 
Think that that part of volume 

929
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,400
to and thinking, like, is this a
dream sequence? 

930
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,200
Everybody seems really happy. 
Like what happened? 

931
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,500
That they like, all forget what 
happens, like, did they lose 

932
00:55:20,500 --> 00:55:23,100
their memory? 
Are we missing something? 

933
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,000
Why is dust in the only one who 
gives the only one that looks 

934
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,800
sad? 
He's crying and And no one else 

935
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:37,800
Honestly though dream sequence I
had the same thought but that's 

936
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,900
not, why would it opens and like
Karen wheeler is like holding 

937
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:46,800
the box and bringing Holly and 
her to Holly's inside and Ted 

938
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,800
saying something about a like a,
but the news and she goes and 

939
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,000
she goes to hand the box to 
Nancy and Robin and Steve. 

940
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,300
For their, I had this sudden 
realization, I was like, wait, 

941
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,600
is this? 
And we fast forward until like 

942
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,700
the fall is Nancy. 
Going off to college is Steve 

943
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:01,900
going with her like Is that what
we're seeing here? 

944
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,300
That was my thought because I'm 
like, oh, everyone's kind of 

945
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:07,800
happy smiley. 
She's her mom. 

946
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,000
Sending her a box and then like 
the van pulled up. 

947
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,300
And I'm like, what we like is 
very abrupt. 

948
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:17,000
Yeah. 
Yes. 

949
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,700
And like, I don't, I feel like, 
I don't know another, they've 

950
00:56:21,700 --> 00:56:24,100
got stuff, obviously, trying to 
set up but I like I feel like 

951
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:26,400
that would have been not that. 
I want them to skip all the way 

952
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,100
to the fall, but I feel like 
we're really missing something 

953
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:33,400
because I feel Like that would 
have made more sense in a way. 

954
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:39,300
Then we skip two days. 
And in everyone's suddenly, very

955
00:56:39,300 --> 00:56:40,500
happy. 
I mean, I guess that they're 

956
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:43,200
happy to have side to survive, 
like, certain death. 

957
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,900
But that's not like, that's a 
new experience for them. 

958
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:50,600
Like, yeah. 
Like the pizza van crew, it 

959
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,800
makes sense for them to be happy
as far as they know. 

960
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,900
They say, hey, but like exactly,
right. 

961
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:58,300
They should have come back to 
like, some Grim faces being 

962
00:56:58,300 --> 00:56:59,400
like. 
You guys don't know what went 

963
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,300
down, like, Like it's yeah, 
yeah. 

964
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:06,700
Like I get that they're happy 
when they show up because they 

965
00:57:06,700 --> 00:57:10,000
hadn't been able to get ahold of
them, but like they're very 

966
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,700
happy. 
And then when they ask about 

967
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,500
like, oh, like Lucas at the 
hospital is like, oh, like what 

968
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:16,200
happened? 
I like, that's what everyone's 

969
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,800
faces fall. 
Yeah. 

970
00:57:18,300 --> 00:57:22,400
So I'm like, yeah, what 
happened? 

971
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,500
You were there, 11? 
You know what happened? 

972
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:46,700
yeah, but like yeah. 
I concur, I can craft so, um, If

973
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:50,500
people were wondering why why 
all these questions are about 

974
00:57:50,500 --> 00:57:53,500
season 1 season 2? 
It's because the hellfire club 

975
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:58,800
Collective podcast right now. 
They have not placed at the time

976
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,800
of this recording. 
Not made it to season 3 or 

977
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,000
season for for coverage. 
So I thought I would just trim 

978
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,800
it down to the seasons that they
have covered, which is 1 and 2. 

979
00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:13,500
And this is probably like, like 
one of the biggest questions 

980
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:19,000
that I have that I haven't. 
Seen a lot of others, you know, 

981
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:24,100
question and that is, why do you
think Terry wanted 11 to find 

982
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:26,300
eight? 
Also, do you think we'll ever 

983
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:33,700
see Terry again? 
Okay. 

984
00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:39,800
Okay, I'll do so I'm going to be
real here cuz I don't think this

985
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,400
is gonna. 
I don't think we're going to see

986
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Terry again. 
I think Terry wanted 11 to find 

987
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,300
eight because the Duffer's had 
plans for a spin-off show. 

988
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:56,700
I don't think eight was ever 
intended to play a larger role 

989
00:58:56,700 --> 00:59:00,100
in stranger things. 
Although, her powers would be 

990
00:59:00,100 --> 00:59:03,700
incredibly useful in season 5 
and if they're going to make an 

991
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:06,300
attempt to redeem that 
character, they got to do it in 

992
00:59:06,300 --> 00:59:11,900
season 5 but I sincerely believe
after watching that episode of 

993
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:13,700
the show that was not an episode
of stranger. 

994
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:18,900
Things that they specifically 
wrote it that way. 

995
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,300
So that they could set up 
another show. 

996
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

997
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:26,200
Because that whole that whole 
episode is basically a proof of 

998
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,000
concept for new characters for a
different story. 

999
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:32,100
Yeah, yeah. 
It doesn't even feel like an 

1000
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:35,800
episode of stranger things like 
the filming is different shot. 

1001
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,400
Music. 
It's shot different. 

1002
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,600
That's the music is different. 
Everything about it. 

1003
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:45,300
It doesn't feel like you're 
watching the same show. 

1004
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,400
Now the Terry stuff I feel like 
it gives 11 some closure. 

1005
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:53,400
Oh absolutely. 
Um, which is important for Har 

1006
00:59:53,400 --> 01:00:00,300
but I agree with you like I 
don't I think that her having 11

1007
01:00:00,300 --> 01:00:04,100
find Callie was just so that 
they could introduce this 

1008
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:08,000
character as a possibility for 
oh, well if she's you know, if 

1009
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,400
this is received well called a 
backdoor pilot, they there's a 

1010
01:00:11,408 --> 01:00:14,700
backdoor pilot and it's this is 
received. 

1011
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:21,100
Well, we can go forward with 
this and she wasn't no and I 

1012
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,000
think the ultimate like Like 
nail in the coffin for that is 

1013
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,800
season for because one of the 
things we do on our podcast is 

1014
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,900
will take interstitial episodes 
where we'll talk about the 

1015
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,700
stranger things comic books 
because the Duffer's have come 

1016
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,700
out and said, like all of the 
comic book, all the comic books 

1017
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:40,400
are Cannon to the story unless 
we decide they are not. 

1018
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,900
And at this point, there's only 
two comic books that they've D 

1019
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,200
canonized and they're the ones 
that deal with kids from the 

1020
01:00:47,207 --> 01:00:51,700
program that were not you know, 
8 or 11 or 1. 

1021
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,200
And they did that by writing 
their own story for those for 

1022
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:01,600
those other kids in season for 
those Comics do make a brief tie

1023
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,900
back to Cali and show us that 
like, hey, this all exist in the

1024
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:07,900
same universe and by going back 
and season, four and saying, 

1025
01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:10,200
okay, those stories are no 
longer Canon. 

1026
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,000
All of the kids have the same 
Powers Callie was an outlier, 

1027
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:16,100
they've basically said, like we 
are not coming back to this. 

1028
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,700
We have thrown this idea on The 
Cutting Room floor and it's just

1029
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:25,200
going to stay where it is. 
Yeah I agree I definitely think 

1030
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,100
that the whole Kelly stuff was 
like you said a backdoor pilot. 

1031
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,100
I think if it if it went that 
one the case then they would 

1032
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:38,300
have had you know either 11 just
interact with Callie or they 

1033
01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:43,400
would have had Callie come look 
for 11 without all these those 

1034
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,300
other characters and I agree, it
definitely does not feel like a 

1035
01:01:47,300 --> 01:01:49,800
stranger things episodes. 
That's why I don't really like 

1036
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,300
to watch it. 
I'll be honest with you if it 

1037
01:01:52,308 --> 01:01:55,500
weren't for 11 being in the 
episode, I probably wouldn't, 

1038
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,700
you know, watch it. 
But um I would like to see Terry

1039
01:02:00,700 --> 01:02:05,700
Ives least one last time only 
because I think her story is so 

1040
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:12,700
interesting and I feel like we 
we don't know, we still don't 

1041
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:17,600
know a lot about her and her 
backstory and especially her all

1042
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:22,900
of her time at the lab. 
I always like to know, you know,

1043
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:27,800
in season two, when 11 looks 
through those boxes and Hoppers 

1044
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:34,800
cabin any funds, she finds that 
picture of Brenner and Terry 

1045
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,700
walking together. 
I always wondered, like, you 

1046
01:02:38,700 --> 01:02:42,600
know, what were they doing, 
like, why, why were they 

1047
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,400
pictured like that together and 
who took that picture like, was 

1048
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:50,600
it, you know, a government 
agency, or was that on? 

1049
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:55,800
Like, video can't like security 
cam footage. 

1050
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,600
You just little things like 
that. 

1051
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:04,100
That I'm interested in that. 
I would like to see again, but 

1052
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:10,200
like I said, I don't know if we 
will really get that unless we 

1053
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:14,800
see Terry and some flashbacks, I
said that because if you know 

1054
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,200
the theory holds true that 
integral is elevens biological 

1055
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,500
father. 
Then we probably would see some 

1056
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:27,500
very flashbacks. 
So yeah. 

1057
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:32,500
That's I mean I will today with 
with Terry and Brenner. 

1058
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:37,200
There are they are releasing 
like a Brenner comic kind of 

1059
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,000
like his origin story so that 
might, that might be in there. 

1060
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,800
I mean, I know it's not it's not
the show but it could be like a 

1061
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,100
cool tie in. 
I'm excited to read that because

1062
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:51,300
I would like to know how does 
Brenner always been like Was he 

1063
01:03:51,300 --> 01:03:56,500
always this like cold parted 
like growths person or was he 

1064
01:03:56,500 --> 01:03:58,500
like you know, was he more 
human? 

1065
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:00,700
What happened to him? 
Why did he become this way? 

1066
01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:08,100
I've thought that many times 
myself. 

1067
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,100
I also have another theory about
his past but we don't have 

1068
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:21,100
enough time to discuss maybe 
maybe one day, you know, come 

1069
01:04:21,100 --> 01:04:24,100
over here and discuss that 
weight because I feel like it's 

1070
01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:31,100
a very compelling Theory and if 
it were to ever make its way in 

1071
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:33,100
the show, which is highly 
doubtful. 

1072
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:46,900
That would just be awesome. 
So, how do you think the series 

1073
01:04:46,900 --> 01:04:49,900
will heck? 
I know that's a very broad 

1074
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:55,500
question, but I always love to 
ask our guests about this just 

1075
01:04:55,500 --> 01:05:00,600
because I like to hear your 
opinions forward. 

1076
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,500
We're on. 
We're definitely on the it 

1077
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:04,500
started with will. 
It's going to end with Will 

1078
01:05:04,500 --> 01:05:08,500
train. 
Yeah, in a way in a way I 

1079
01:05:08,500 --> 01:05:14,100
definitely think that there is 
going to be you know, 11 and 

1080
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,400
Vecna are going to have a show 
of a have a showdown. 

1081
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:23,800
So we've got a few different 
theories that we think if they 

1082
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,800
pan out could lead to pretty 
strong like confrontations in 

1083
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,700
the show because we I mean, we 
have Devin Hester Eddie Theory. 

1084
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:34,300
We've talked about the 
possibility of Max becoming a 

1085
01:05:34,300 --> 01:05:38,000
vessel for vecna. 
Hmm, since there's nothing in 

1086
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,700
there right now. 
Yeah. 

1087
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,900
And I think so like Elle's big 
thing is going to be trying to 

1088
01:05:43,908 --> 01:05:48,300
get Max back But I think Becca's
going to use what's left of Max 

1089
01:05:48,300 --> 01:05:51,700
against her. 
I'm sure. 

1090
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:53,500
That'll end with Max coming 
back. 

1091
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:56,200
I really don't think that deaf 
ears are going to leave her in 

1092
01:05:56,207 --> 01:06:00,400
the lurch like that. 
I do not think Jonathan is going

1093
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,100
to make it to the end. 
Yeah. 

1094
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:04,400
Neither neither one of us think 
that Jonathan's going to get 

1095
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,400
that. 
Jonathan is probably going to 

1096
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,600
like his. 
His big brother is going to come

1097
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,400
out again and he's gonna die. 
Protecting will in one. 

1098
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,900
One way or another. 
I think Steve's gonna go for the

1099
01:06:17,908 --> 01:06:20,900
big sacrifice and Jonathan's 
going to stop him and do it 

1100
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:21,900
himself. 
Yeah. 

1101
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,200
Yeah. 
And then everybody and then 

1102
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,400
everybody is just going to go to
therapy for forever. 

1103
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:52,500
What else didn't talk about? 
How we talked about? 

1104
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:56,300
So I have we talked about it. 
I mean, as far as How It Ends, I

1105
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:57,700
don't think there's going to be 
too much. 

1106
01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:00,600
I don't think there's anything 
going to be anything crazy in 

1107
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,500
the resolution of the show. 
I mean, I'm sorry not to them 

1108
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:08,300
going to, I would like to know 
it since since season four ended

1109
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:13,200
with all of those Gates opening 
like will they have reached 

1110
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,500
other places? 
Is it just going to be like 

1111
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:22,400
Central April to Hawkins or will
it have like spread because I 

1112
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,200
have I have read some things 
about there being a Time jump in

1113
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:31,000
and season 5. 
So like is it just going to fold

1114
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,800
as I feel like it's like a such 
a massive event that happened. 

1115
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,300
Like all these essential 
wheelies giant holes in the 

1116
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:43,200
earth, they have to like Fisher 
and crack and spread and keep 

1117
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,400
expanding. 
So is it going to have spread 

1118
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,700
throughout the world and bring? 
Become like this. 

1119
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:53,800
Like massive thing that they 
have to try and and contain or 

1120
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,000
is it just going to be, you 
know, all of Hong Kong, are we 

1121
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,100
going to contain the end of the 
show to Hawkins? 

1122
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,900
Or is it going to be like a 
robot like everywhere? 

1123
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,000
That's yeah that's a question. 
I don't think we have an answer 

1124
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:06,600
to. 
Yeah. 

1125
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,500
I honestly don't know which 
where they're going to go with 

1126
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:14,100
what direction they going. 
I'm sure this is going to be a 

1127
01:08:14,107 --> 01:08:19,300
badass in season 5 I'm sure. 
Yeah it is Dustin. 

1128
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:24,600
Dustin is going to go full 
Eddie. 

1129
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,100
Yeah. 
He's gonna be a little metal 

1130
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:30,600
kid. 
I could see that for him that 

1131
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,700
would be super cool. 
I could see that I could see 

1132
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:35,500
that from. 
Definitely one of my favorite 

1133
01:08:35,500 --> 01:08:37,399
ones. 
I season 4 is and you were 

1134
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,300
wearing that weird Out t-shirt 
which I thought was Brave. 

1135
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,100
Or somebody suffer. 
Like they talk about to the pop 

1136
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,899
culture reference. 
I was like, all right back in 

1137
01:09:15,899 --> 01:09:18,700
that wasn't cool back. 
Then that wasn't like a cool 

1138
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:20,800
thing to do now. 
It is but not back then. 

1139
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,399
Yeah, it's so weird for me like 
parsley because I started 

1140
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:29,800
playing D&D like in my 20s and I
think about like somebody had an

1141
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,600
issue with like I'm a nerd. 
I'm a huge nerd. 

1142
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,600
This is the nerdiest thing I've 
ever done and I love it, but 

1143
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,300
like people thought this was 
satanic. 

1144
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,899
It's just a bunch of P. 
It's just a bunch of nerds. 

1145
01:09:41,899 --> 01:09:44,700
It Around the table together 
like eating corn chips drinking 

1146
01:09:44,700 --> 01:09:50,899
soda and telling stories like 
this was what the hell yeah. 

1147
01:10:17,900 --> 01:10:23,400
Certain things so that was like 
nothing to do being like, this 

1148
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,800
is bad for our children and that
they did the same thing, right? 

1149
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,200
It was like, this is the hill 
we're dying on. 

1150
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:34,400
Apparently, like, Look at the 
equipment of like thinking 

1151
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,900
there's Satanism and like, 
magic, the Gathering. 

1152
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,500
Like, you know, it's, you know, 
I'd say there's a stronger 

1153
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:44,700
argument for magic because the 
artwork is pretty, pretty 

1154
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:53,900
intense, sometimes. 
I just want to convincing ending

1155
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,800
like I just want an ending that 
convinces me, that it was all 

1156
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,000
worth it and that this was the 
right ending for the show. 

1157
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,600
I have you no other specifics 
that I want to see you know in 

1158
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,500
the last like 20 to 30 minutes 
of of you know, the series 

1159
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,700
finale. 
Yeah. 

1160
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:14,200
I mean like another deaf 
Brothers, like just convinced 

1161
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,500
me, you know, you say that, you 
know how the stick The Landing 

1162
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,400
well then you know, prove it, 
you know, yes. 

1163
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,000
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1164
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,600
Right. 
Tell me that you actually do a 

1165
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,400
lot on the table. 
Yeah. 

1166
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,600
And like I feel like as a fan we
just have to go in saying you 

1167
01:11:31,608 --> 01:11:33,600
know what, I don't want 
everything. 

1168
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:40,100
I just want to be satisfied. 
Yeah yeah and something I want 

1169
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:42,000
you to know, people have to 
speak about who's going to die 

1170
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,000
in biloba and because I'm not 
really into death speculation 

1171
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,700
because everybody was all over 
Steve. 

1172
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:49,500
And I get that there was a 
billboard and whatever. 

1173
01:11:50,000 --> 01:12:02,400
Then I was like We lost her. 
Well, she mentioned Steve. 

1174
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,400
I think originally, Steve was 
supposed to die in season 1. 

1175
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:06,800
Yeah, he does. 
He want. 

1176
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,800
I originally wanted him to and 
then like no joke, here is too 

1177
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,800
much of a delight. 
Yeah. 

1178
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:19,300
It's like you know Jason was 
what Steve, you know, was 

1179
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:26,300
supposed to be in season 1 I 
could never have seen have seen 

1180
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:29,700
Joe carry. 
Pull like, do that? 

1181
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:33,200
That's that's not no, no no 
couldn't pull it off. 

1182
01:12:33,300 --> 01:12:35,100
He's just too likeable. 
Yeah. 

1183
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:38,900
Yeah, I don't know that. 
That is that, that, that was the

1184
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:42,900
originally had, like, wanted 
Steve to be like, like, like, 

1185
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:50,100
who's gonna be a sin? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1186
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:57,200
My two favorite people. 
Yeah, we have we have very 

1187
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,500
strong opinions on Billy and 
yeah. 

1188
01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:19,800
Poor Dad, the Nuance, then they 
were expecting. 

1189
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,700
And I'm like, wow, like he's so 
much better as the Steve we have

1190
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:26,900
now than being Jason or Billy, I
think. 

1191
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,400
Yeah. 
I mean that's exactly what 

1192
01:13:28,407 --> 01:13:31,700
happened with that, he too. 
Like he brought something that 

1193
01:13:31,700 --> 01:13:34,700
character they didn't expect and
they were like, oh, we have to 

1194
01:13:34,708 --> 01:13:37,300
keep him around like this. 
No, this is too good. 

1195
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:43,100
Yeah, they re read a lot of his 
stuff during the during the 

1196
01:13:43,108 --> 01:13:44,600
pandemic. 
Yeah. 

1197
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,800
And like, I She ate that I 
really do. 

1198
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,400
Like if you have an actor who 
really killing it and just fits 

1199
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,500
into your show so well and don't
waste the potential. 

1200
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1201
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,900
No. 100% agree. 
Like, I've there's a lot of 

1202
01:13:58,900 --> 01:14:01,300
other shows I was like a huge 
huge fan of and something that's

1203
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:03,500
bothered me in the last few 
years is like as though she's 

1204
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:06,300
got towards the end. 
Like you'd be all in for a 

1205
01:14:06,308 --> 01:14:08,700
storyline and actually have 
chemistry and you'd be like, oh 

1206
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:10,700
this is great and they want to 
go another way. 

1207
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:13,800
And I never try to read articles
to understand and the answer 

1208
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,200
turns out to be. 
Well, we decided we were going 

1209
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,900
with this As last summer. 
So rather than following where 

1210
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:23,100
the actors kind of performance 
in chemistry lead, we went with 

1211
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:26,800
something we decided last summer
and it shows it's so obvious 

1212
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,000
when they do that because you're
like why are you going with this

1213
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,800
when you could be going with 
that? 

1214
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,600
And I really appreciate. 
This is a show that's like they 

1215
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,500
have a plan but then they look 
at what they're giving like they

1216
01:14:37,508 --> 01:14:40,800
look what the actors are 
bringing to it and they adjust 

1217
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,700
because That's what you should 
do. 

1218
01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:46,400
Like if, you know, like, I think
something that makes us sure. 

1219
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,000
So great is, I mean, the 
original plan was these 

1220
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,300
characters were supposed to be 
like, one dimensional or best 

1221
01:14:52,300 --> 01:14:55,600
two-dimensional, like 
stereotypes from 80s, movies and

1222
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,800
TV and the actors just brought 
so much more nuanced. 

1223
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,100
They're like, well, that was the
plan, but we could, we could 

1224
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:04,300
grow, we could expand this 
because we're getting great 

1225
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:08,100
stuff here and they evolved past
that and I'm like, that's that's

1226
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:09,800
so cool. 
There goes well, makes the show 

1227
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,000
so interesting or part of what 
made you, so angry. 

1228
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:15,200
Thing for me. 
Anyway, is yeah, watching The 

1229
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,500
Evolution. 
They're creating a show steeped 

1230
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:22,200
in D&D and they're treating the 
writing process as a game of 

1231
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,000
D&D. 
If someone is going, well, if 

1232
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,500
you, if your players are really,
if they're doing something, you 

1233
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:31,600
didn't write out for them, it 
didn't expect you react to that,

1234
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:35,000
you don't just follow your plan 
and railroad it, you integrate 

1235
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,300
it, and it's something they've 
always done a. 

1236
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,700
They've done an incredible job 
with on this show. 

1237
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:44,700
Yeah, yeah. 
So sorry. 

1238
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:52,600
So one more question for get you
guys out of here and you don't 

1239
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,200
really even have to like really 
explain this, but I just want to

1240
01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:58,800
Zach. 
I want to hear you say this on 

1241
01:15:58,808 --> 01:16:02,000
the show because I heard it on 
your show and I really loved it.

1242
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:08,400
And I want you to you create a 
reiterate, this for ham radio 

1243
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,200
audience. 
So you mentioned on the hill, 

1244
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:17,200
Fire Club collected that Brenner
and season 1 was training 11 to 

1245
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:22,300
kill Henry / 1 / Patna. 
So you could, you know you just 

1246
01:16:22,300 --> 01:16:25,700
reiterate your theory for the 
people. 

1247
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,200
Well, they make faces and it's 
okay. 

1248
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:38,500
So I think this Theory even the 
even though I am a staunch 

1249
01:16:38,500 --> 01:16:42,100
believer that season one is for 
the most part wholly, 

1250
01:16:42,100 --> 01:16:45,600
unconnected until like from the 
overall story until they started

1251
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,500
season 2. 
I think this Theory still holds 

1252
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:54,100
up, I think that Brenner's 
intention was to train 11 to 

1253
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:58,400
kill one and I think if we go 
back to the Means in season one,

1254
01:16:58,400 --> 01:16:59,600
we restrain her to use her 
powers. 

1255
01:16:59,900 --> 01:17:05,200
He wants her to murder that cat.
He wants her to be less human. 

1256
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:11,100
He's disappointed when she 
can't, he is molding her to be a

1257
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,800
weapon that he can point and 
fire in whatever Direction. 

1258
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,500
He needs to, he's constantly 
putting her in situations that 

1259
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:23,400
are going to dehumanize her. 
And in my opinion, that's how 

1260
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,300
you like that? 
That's the intention to 

1261
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:29,700
dehumanize. 
Her to make her something that 

1262
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:32,600
he can point at vecna and go. 
All right, kill this guy. 

1263
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,200
I like, I have to clean up loose
ends. 

1264
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:38,400
You are going to do what I tell 
you to do. 

1265
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:41,000
You're powerful enough to do it.
Finish the job you started. 

1266
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:48,200
When you were a little kid, Yeah
and it's it's a very compelling 

1267
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:55,200
Theory and it just speaks to you
know just who Brenner is like he

1268
01:17:55,200 --> 01:18:01,200
takes no responsibility for his 
actions whatsoever because it's 

1269
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,100
lightweight 11 said and in 
episode 8 of season 4 I believe 

1270
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:10,300
and she said you know, you let 
this man who murdered his family

1271
01:18:10,300 --> 01:18:14,800
when he was just a child, you 
let him near children. 

1272
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,700
Knowing despite having a chip in
his neck, you knowing what he 

1273
01:18:19,700 --> 01:18:23,900
was capable of my, you know, 
that was absolutely on Brenner. 

1274
01:18:23,900 --> 01:18:29,000
Like, he should have never had 
Henry around those kids, you 

1275
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,300
know, despite You know, him 
having control over him. 

1276
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:37,200
Like yeah, it speaks to his 
arrogance. 

1277
01:18:37,300 --> 01:18:40,900
Well yeah of course I can handle
this situation nothing's going 

1278
01:18:40,900 --> 01:18:44,900
to happen because I'm in charge 
which is shit. 

1279
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:51,000
Yeah. 
Would you mind no telling 

1280
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:56,100
everyone where they can find you
on the socials and where they 

1281
01:18:56,100 --> 01:19:00,200
can find your podcast and you 
know, went what days do you 

1282
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:05,100
really sure you're episodes. 
I so social media wise right now

1283
01:19:05,700 --> 01:19:13,500
we just have Instagram and I run
that and it's at Hawkins 

1284
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:18,200
Hellfire Collective same as our 
our podcast and then we are 

1285
01:19:18,300 --> 01:19:23,200
we're pretty much available. 
On every podcast, like platform.

1286
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:28,300
Like wherever you listen to them
or on Spotify were on Apple, I 

1287
01:19:28,308 --> 01:19:30,800
don't know. 
We're on the, we're on the big 

1288
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:38,100
ones and then our we release new
episodes, every Sunday at 10 

1289
01:19:38,100 --> 01:19:41,400
a.m. 
So give us a listen, if you want

1290
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,400
to hear us rant and Rave about 
every episode of stranger thing.

1291
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,200
Sure to be entertaining. 
Yeah. 

1292
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:49,600
That's up on Instagram. 
We'd love to talk to anybody. 

1293
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:51,100
Listening. 
Yeah yeah. 

1294
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:55,400
You know a few we say this on 
our podcast, like if you are on 

1295
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,600
Instagram and you have a 
particular Theory or if you 

1296
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,900
listen to an episode and you 
want to tell us your thoughts, 

1297
01:20:01,900 --> 01:20:06,000
like send us a message. 
A message, we're always open to,

1298
01:20:06,100 --> 01:20:09,500
you know, having having 
conversations with you know, 

1299
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:12,100
fans of the podcast fans of the 
show because it's really fun. 

1300
01:20:12,100 --> 01:20:14,900
Like this was really fun for us 
because we just, we talk about 

1301
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:18,800
it, just to each other. 
So getting to talk about it with

1302
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,000
you know, another Stranger 
things podcast and then you 

1303
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,400
know, other stranger things 
fans. 

1304
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,500
It was really, really cool. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1305
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:27,700
Well, we love having you and 
yeah, you should definitely 

1306
01:20:27,700 --> 01:20:30,400
check out there. 
Show again, you will not be 

1307
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:40,200
disappointed, especially if you 
were at least and this takes on 

1308
01:20:41,100 --> 01:20:45,700
Eddie and even if you like I'm 
glad he's dead. 

1309
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,400
They did a good job, you will 
still want to listen to their 

1310
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,500
book. 
Guess cuz they just might 

1311
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:56,800
convince you. 
I I try my hardest. 

1312
01:20:57,700 --> 01:20:59,700
Hey, if that's what we're going 
to be known for I'm in. 

1313
01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:04,600
Yeah. 
All right, so thank everyone for

1314
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:09,800
joining Jasmine and I am Zach 
and devyn on today's episode. 

1315
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,300
Again, you check out that 
condemning on Instagram and 

1316
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:16,100
they're available on all 
platforms and will have all 

1317
01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:19,300
their links linked in today's 
episode description. 

1318
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:25,000
So for now it's me and Jasmine 
we're signing off over and out.