1 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:22,100 The Cadillac of ham radio and you're tuned into ham radio, a 2 00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:26,100 stranger things Pockets. Well, welcome friends back to 3 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:31,300 another episode of the show. And today we have As always, a 4 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:36,700 special episode for you guys and Jasmine are going to be breaking 5 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:42,200 down the script to the 7th episode of stranger things 6 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,900 season. Four, of course, I'm talking 7 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:48,100 about the massacre at Hawkins lab which most of you probably 8 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:51,600 have already seen it. If you haven't, please go to 9 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,100 Netflix and do not listen to today's episode because you will 10 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:58,100 be spoiled. But what we're going to do here 11 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:00,400 is it's not really going to be a recap episode. 12 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,600 But we're going to be analyzing the script, which was released. 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,500 But at the time of this recording about two weeks ago on 14 00:01:09,500 --> 00:01:14,700 Deadline I believe and this is the official script folks, I'll 15 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:19,600 link it in the description that the episode because it is the 16 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,500 official script. You don't have to worry about 17 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:27,400 any scams going on here, and this will be like this is not 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,700 just be one episode. We're going to have probably At 19 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:34,600 least two, if not more episodes to Brett's down because there is 20 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,500 a lot to get to, there's like seriously over 100 pages of the 21 00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:44,100 script and it's wonderful. And for those of you who loved 22 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,100 Who Loved writing script writing all that, then it's like gold 23 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:55,600 right now. So we're going to begin by is 24 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,200 just talking about some of our immediate reactions that we had 25 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,900 to. Graduate reading the script and 26 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:08,300 just some things that we noticed right off the bat, we're going 27 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:12,600 to this because, you know, Jasmine I did a lot of hard work 28 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,500 for you guys like so you didn't have to because we dared sparks 29 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:20,200 notes version. Yes, is the sport that 30 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,900 characterization? Yes. 31 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,500 Because nodes. Yes. 32 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:30,200 And so because we care about you guys and we want we want to get 33 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,700 this out. Urso Jasmine. 34 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,100 Why don't you begin by just, you know, tell the people what you 35 00:02:35,108 --> 00:02:38,400 noticed. Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm still 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,800 working my way through the script full disclosure because 37 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,800 it's so much complex. I mean, the other students, 38 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,200 helping them hour and a half and the Door of Hope than that. 39 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:52,200 Because I know you notice patterns and I may not have 40 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,100 noticed the patterns because I'm still like going through with a 41 00:02:56,100 --> 00:02:59,000 fine-tooth comb. So you're going to notice. 42 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:00,800 Those are actual notice patterns. 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,600 I have not noticed yet, but First Reactions. 44 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,500 I also died. Also did skin larger parts of it 45 00:03:05,500 --> 00:03:09,600 too as well. So, I guess First Reactions is, 46 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,700 I think it's very interesting to see what they wrote originally 47 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:18,900 and what wound up on screen. And I think there are several 48 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:21,200 points where like there is a big deviation from what they 49 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,500 originally wrote to what we saw on our screens and what would be 50 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,600 like the original script versus Cannon, which I thought was very 51 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,300 interesting and something that really stood out to me is 52 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:34,400 because I don't think we've ever correct me if I'm wrong. 53 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,700 But have we ever seen like an official script like a full? 54 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,400 Official script from the show before. 55 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:44,600 I haven't, I don't really know if there really is one that 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:50,800 exists before this one. Other than there was one, it's 57 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,700 called mom taught, which is was their original idea. 58 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,700 You can find that one out there which is definitely, it's cool. 59 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:01,600 I actually read that script that's like one of the First 60 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,500 episodes of podcast ever. So anyone out there you can go 61 00:04:05,500 --> 00:04:09,900 back, listen to that. It's it's definitely a lot 62 00:04:09,900 --> 00:04:12,000 different than the Issue of all buyers. 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,700 I can definitely tell you that. I've heard dad's, yeah. 64 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,800 That definitely, yeah. But I don't, I don't know of any 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,700 others that are that are out there. 66 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,100 Maybe whoever, if anyone's out there listening and you have any 67 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:26,000 info on that, you know, please let us know. 68 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,400 We'd love to hear that. So because I know they've 69 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,500 released because they release portions of those scenes, right? 70 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:33,900 Like on Twitter, they were doing that thing. 71 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,100 We have little beds, but not a full script in something that 72 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:39,700 really stood out. To me, was I hadn't really 73 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:41,600 thought about it. I thought About the dialogue. 74 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,900 But I hadn't thought about how they were describing, like the 75 00:04:45,900 --> 00:04:48,200 scene directions or the descriptions. 76 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,700 That would be for the actors themselves. 77 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,700 I really like people really commented on this season. 78 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:57,500 How you know, when you add subtitles on? 79 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:01,800 And it'd be like, squelching loudly, like the this, or like 80 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,100 synth-pop, plays ominously, and how great those were, and they 81 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:10,500 were very descriptive. Which I love because I feel like 82 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:12,400 it, you know, they really described for people if you 83 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,900 can't see it. I thought that was cool. 84 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,600 And also, I always have subtitles on when I'm watching 85 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,100 things, if I'm alone. So I love that. 86 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,300 But I hadn't thought about the, the descriptors they would give 87 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:24,800 for the actors. And something I notice is I like 88 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,200 they swear quite a bit in the descriptions, which I was not 89 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 expecting and I'm like, right? So like I feel like the script 90 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,100 is very grown-up because the season because like yeah, you 91 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700 couldn't describe the bads of like, there's a lot Muggers, 92 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,300 when the entire class. Well, right? 93 00:05:44,300 --> 00:05:45,800 So I feel like that was the change. 94 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,400 Like, I feel like if we had, for example, script from season 1, 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,900 Season 2, Season 3, compared to this script, this was very 96 00:05:52,900 --> 00:05:57,700 obviously, like, okay, all the actors are, you know, teenagers? 97 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:00,500 Now all the characters are older, the tone of the show 98 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:02,500 reflects that, but I hadn't thought about how that would be 99 00:06:02,500 --> 00:06:06,000 described. And I'm interesting because I 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,700 think that really informs for the places where there were ad 101 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:11,800 libs, Over there were changes. I feel like that really informs 102 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,600 the actors, like when you read a script, but then like, it dawned 103 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,800 on me, I'm okay. Well, they would have read this 104 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,200 at table reads, right? So like, when you're reading the 105 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,100 table read and the description is like another one of these 106 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:25,500 guys like it's like, oh man, there's so many of these 107 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:27,200 fuckers. Like, what the hell? 108 00:06:27,500 --> 00:06:29,800 I'm like, that's the description you're reading out, like, 109 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,500 either. Somebody reads that out loud or 110 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:33,800 you're reading it to yourself. You're reading a before you're 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,200 married, you're lying. Like, when you prep for because 112 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,000 I think it description you like, dude. 113 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,200 His, I gotta say that you'd be given to them and either you do 114 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,500 them live or you might get them a little bit ahead of time. 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,900 I'm not sure how they do. There's every show, does it 116 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:48,600 differently. But regardless, when you're 117 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,200 sitting there and you're opening it and you're like, so I thought 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,600 that was really I like I thought that was that was funny and I 119 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,100 liked it. They kind of carried over the 120 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:02,000 maturity and the acknowledged by the like these are not kids 121 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,700 anymore. The entire thing should reflect 122 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:08,300 that and I like that, I thought it was fun. 123 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:13,200 And I think I prefer to have seen other shows where the 124 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,000 actors got older and they still tried to go for that younger or 125 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,200 more kid like thing. And I, I know some people were 126 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:21,600 like, oh, this isn't me so much darker. 127 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,300 I was concerned about that, but when they do, they release that, 128 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:27,800 you know, ahead of time. But I actually like the end 129 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,800 result because I'm like, yeah, I like to thank knowledge and 130 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,300 worked, what worked with the grain weathered Against the 131 00:07:32,308 --> 00:07:34,000 Grain? Because I've seen it both ways. 132 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,700 And that really stood out to me with the script And yeah, I 133 00:07:40,707 --> 00:07:42,600 think those are my person first impressions. 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,100 What were yours? Yeah, I was gon find because 135 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:55,400 when I was taking my notes, I was watching as I was reading 136 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,100 the script and I would like highlight, you know, you know, 137 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:02,700 what was like the same and all that and eventually, I just 138 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:07,200 stopped doing that because I noticed there were so many like 139 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,100 minor. Dialogue changes minor movement 140 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:16,500 motion changes from the script of what was the final product on 141 00:08:16,500 --> 00:08:23,500 screen and I just noticed that how, how much leeway the actors 142 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000 have for improv. And I think that's such a great 143 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,700 thing that the duffers, trust their actors enough to just let 144 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:37,100 them, you know, kind of dictator control. 145 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:40,400 What, you know what's Happening. They're not, you know, this has 146 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,000 to be line for line, and I really, I really enjoy it 147 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,200 because it looks more natural as a viewer to say it's it looks 148 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:57,100 more, you know, Human, I guess you'd say now they were, were 149 00:08:57,100 --> 00:09:02,500 there were certain dialogues, that were almost verbatim and 150 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:06,300 you can definitely tell they're like, hey, we need you to say 151 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:10,200 this as close to this, as we have it written as possible. 152 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,500 And a lot of that does come with the relation to the lore, and 153 00:09:14,500 --> 00:09:19,600 the stuff with Henry Vick, no one, whatever, you know, and 154 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,100 with Brenner and stuff, which I really appreciate them doing 155 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:25,700 that. But yeah, So it was really, 156 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:29,300 really cool to see, just really how much improv there is 157 00:09:29,300 --> 00:09:33,400 because, you know, we've heard a lot about Millie Bobby Brown 158 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,800 doing a lot of improv. So I'm like, okay, that's 159 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,100 expected. But, you know, just to see how 160 00:09:42,100 --> 00:09:46,900 much the others improv as well was, it was really cool. 161 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:53,500 But it's also like you could also say well maybe It's not 162 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:58,300 just solely improv, maybe it's just, you know, revisions or 163 00:09:58,300 --> 00:10:00,000 whatever. When they because they like 164 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,900 provide the script like five times as you can you can see 165 00:10:02,900 --> 00:10:07,500 that like on the second page. So I don't know if it was during 166 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:12,300 filming they decide to make changes and I kind of that vibe 167 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:15,300 to where I'm like these could have been improvs or they could 168 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:17,400 have because they both wrote a direct of this episode. 169 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:20,400 So like I believe this could have been improper or they could 170 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,400 have gotten there the day of they could have run through the 171 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,400 lines. Because I watched an interview 172 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,800 for some other show, I was watching. 173 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,200 And and I said, you know, that the, you know, if you already 174 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,000 show that allows improv, the typical rule is you do a take 175 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,100 where you do the line, exactly, or you might do a few, if they 176 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:39,600 really loved that line, and then once you've nailed it and 177 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,100 they're like, okay, we got it. Then you can ad lib. 178 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,800 And that's pretty industry standard from what I've heard. 179 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,300 So it makes me wonder, if like, did they run it through the 180 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:52,800 first time and they would then they got in there, like Ma, I 181 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,000 don't know. How that sounds when you're 182 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,700 actually saying it or you know, ad-lib it a bit. 183 00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:59,200 Like I don't know, I wrote this but I don't know if I'm loving 184 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,700 it like you know what, I feel like it could be one of the 185 00:11:02,708 --> 00:11:05,200 other cool little bit above. Like, I feel like they these are 186 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,400 good actors. So I thought they'd probably 187 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,500 read it through one. So they're like okay let me let 188 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,500 me just, you know, take a pot, take a coffee break. 189 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:14,200 I'm just gonna, we're just gonna, we're just gonna mock 190 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,700 this up. Yeah. 191 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,500 And headed back to them. Also, I think because with 192 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:21,900 Cobra, like I've heard from Mac, things have seen with actors 193 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:25,100 were like Normally, you're like snacking in the break room. 194 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:29,400 Like there's a lot of back of the legs, but with covid you 195 00:11:29,408 --> 00:11:32,000 couldn't do that. So, also kind of in between 196 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,500 takes, I could see a kind of be like, oh, are we shooting this 197 00:11:34,500 --> 00:11:36,500 word? The re setting up there. 198 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:38,900 Read, cleaning everything for covid, okay? 199 00:11:38,900 --> 00:11:41,400 Letting this mock-up the script and give it back to them, like 200 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,100 there's a lot more. Like, wait time, that was 201 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:47,300 happening during covid-19. Also see that kind of a, you 202 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:49,200 know, as a writer when you've been working on something, I 203 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,300 feel like I could touch that up. I feel like I did this to me. 204 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:56,000 Little bit. And then the nice part is, you 205 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,900 have a gay film for water. I think 360, was it four days or 206 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:05,700 360 or something like that? Like, almost a full year. 207 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,300 Like I think because you have so many takes you've done it so 208 00:12:09,300 --> 00:12:11,800 many times, when you go to editing, you can pick which take 209 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,700 you feel as the best. Yeah. 210 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,500 So I got that sense to I'm like it could kind of be a kind of 211 00:12:17,508 --> 00:12:20,800 land. A like a combination of all of 212 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,600 all three kind of Yeah, that's where I fell. 213 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:33,000 Tall. And so what again to few more 214 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,700 plot specifics here and, you know, we'll just begin at the 215 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:42,900 beginning of the episode and it's we pick up right? 216 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:51,000 Where we left off with Steve being attacked by the demo 217 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:57,000 baths. And it's basically like Like all 218 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,600 the dialogues that was like basically the same as we see it. 219 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,800 Laughing. Yeah, you have like the only 220 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:16,700 thing good. Yeah, why is it because like the 221 00:13:16,700 --> 00:13:18,400 the essence of the seniors and changed? 222 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,900 I noticed that the actors wear and ad-lib a lot more than in 223 00:13:21,900 --> 00:13:26,700 the fight scene, then is in the script and it makes me wonder, 224 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:29,500 I'm like I wonder what they had to interact with because one of 225 00:13:29,500 --> 00:13:32,000 his death were brothers. Had was like season 3. 226 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,100 It was a ball on a stick into the sea, they wanted to give 227 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:37,300 them something to interact with. So I know, victim was practical 228 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:40,300 effects and a lot of the sets were, but I'm like, I wonder 229 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:42,900 what they were interacting with with the Democrat. 230 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:46,100 Was it remote control? Like because the winner interact 231 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:48,600 and I'm like, that feels like something you would do. 232 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,400 If you were physically interacting with something which 233 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,700 makes you wonder if they had. I felt they must have had 234 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:55,300 something. They were reacting to. 235 00:13:55,700 --> 00:14:01,200 Uh-huh, because I noticed that like Eddie swears a lot more in 236 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,000 the final version versus the script also needs to weigh more 237 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,300 active participant. Like the Eddie from the script 238 00:14:06,500 --> 00:14:08,200 and I think this is probably why it became such a fan. 239 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,300 Favorite is the Eddie from the script is like this is new to 240 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:12,600 him. So he's a bit more hesitant, 241 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,200 he's a bit more. Not reserved, but he's he 242 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,400 doesn't say as much, he's not interacting as much where's 243 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,000 event? The final Eddie we got was 244 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:25,600 there's a lot more interacts a lot more like he is bewildered 245 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,400 by it all, but the minute he becomes part of it, he starts 246 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,400 interacting a lot on the same level as the other characters 247 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:33,500 which I think makes them feel more real. 248 00:14:33,500 --> 00:14:35,500 So I think that was a positive change. 249 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:39,100 I also noticed, I had to subtitles turned on. 250 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,200 I notice that like when for example like Nancy and Robert 251 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,200 are going out for the bats, they're having an Tire 252 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,300 conversation about and to the bats and like, yelling and 253 00:14:48,300 --> 00:14:50,600 swearing at them, which is not in the script. 254 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,600 What I thought was a good addition, is you also see the 255 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,500 penguin characters, react, like you can see like Eddie screaming 256 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,400 and swearing, but the also gorillas are like trying to get 257 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,100 the bats to come to them, so they can kill them. 258 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Like, come on, like they're yelling at them trying to get 259 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,900 them to come to them. But in the script they're more 260 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:08,900 like. Yeah. 261 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:11,600 So I like that. I thought that was a good change 262 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,800 because like it changes the tone. 263 00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:17,400 None of it. And I was just thinking see each 264 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,300 characters like development really well there. 265 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:22,300 And like, characterization I should say because, you know, 266 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:25,300 Eddie's freaked out, but he's like, I'm going down swinging 267 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,800 and then you have Robin who's freaked out. 268 00:15:27,900 --> 00:15:30,500 But she's like, please, like, come on like, you know, get it, 269 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,300 where is Nancy's just had it and she's like, like just going at 270 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:38,500 it. You don't totally enough to like 271 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:43,100 Steve like yeah. And they describe the he takes 272 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:46,600 the the back. I feel like they tried to that 273 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,500 practically to look dumb or they just realized when they got 274 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:52,200 there that him like carrying it like it bring in half and more 275 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:57,400 sense, the wisdom of bad like react physically. 276 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,100 I feel like either. They filmed it look dumb or 277 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:02,300 they're like, hey, this would be more interesting. 278 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:08,000 So, yeah, I like like I think ripping apart made more sense. 279 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:12,200 I also appreciated that like they took out, I did. 280 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,800 This was a good change, like they go. 281 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:17,300 About Steve's lied about seeing the sights and Eddie's got the 282 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,900 backbone the door. Yes, I noticed that one. 283 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,500 That's like the biggest discrepancy that I noticed and 284 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:30,500 also Nancy in the script says we can take cover in the woods. 285 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:33,600 Come on. But in on screen she just says 286 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,300 the woods. Come on and they're just you 287 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:37,400 know, look at Woods which I thought was good because you 288 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,500 don't really need her to say. We can take cover because it's 289 00:16:40,500 --> 00:16:43,800 like, of course you can do that. Just say let's go to the woods. 290 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:48,400 Let's find out, you know. Yeah, and I feel like what they 291 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,900 cut from the sea was either. Like I feel like those that 292 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,600 those lines would you did seem that it would have made it more 293 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,400 comedic but we're moving to make some more like cinematic and 294 00:16:55,408 --> 00:17:01,100 dramatic what you needed to be for you to really feel like the 295 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:03,000 bats work threat. Yeah. 296 00:17:03,300 --> 00:17:06,599 Especially because it comes back at the end of the season with 297 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,900 Eddie I feel like they really had to sell that to us. 298 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,200 And again I think I'm stuff in the script where it made sense 299 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,700 for the writer but then I got to film and it's like, oh, we can 300 00:17:15,700 --> 00:17:18,800 cut But this, my personal, they were, they'll proceed to cut for 301 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,800 time because I think was like, the entire season was way over 302 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,599 what? It's been. 303 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,000 Yeah, the big thing. So, I can see changes where I'm 304 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,700 like, if that end of the K and of covid hadn't happened when 305 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:33,800 and it did, if they'd been able to normally, I feel like someone 306 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,900 something weird might have been included because they would have 307 00:17:35,900 --> 00:17:37,500 had a bit more time. Uh-huh. 308 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:39,900 But their stuff here that I can tell, they're definitely caught 309 00:17:39,900 --> 00:17:41,900 it like this in particular but throughout the script where it's 310 00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:44,900 like, yeah, that's obvious if you've been following along. 311 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,200 Like there's this part later where when they take cover in to 312 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,900 Skull Rock. There's a few parts later to 313 00:17:52,900 --> 00:17:55,100 where it's like. Yeah, that's obvious like they 314 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:58,100 come back like Robin says, oh, you know something about them 315 00:17:58,100 --> 00:18:00,300 guarding? Oh yeah, blow them up and threw 316 00:18:00,300 --> 00:18:01,800 them to get rid of. So, they're stopped guarding the 317 00:18:01,808 --> 00:18:04,300 door. It's implied that opposite to 318 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:07,200 guarding the door, back to the right side up because if they 319 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,100 weren't, they just go back through the door. 320 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,800 It's obvious and something I appreciate about the show. 321 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,800 Is that like this, obviously a show for smart people. 322 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:20,500 Like you have to have a certain level of like critical thinking 323 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:23,400 and like media literacy to get it exact. 324 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,900 I appreciate that. They don't dumb that down. 325 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:29,600 Yeah, I appreciate that. Don't hit you over the head with 326 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,100 it. They, you know, they and I think 327 00:18:32,100 --> 00:18:34,900 those are good at like to take something out when it's like, 328 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:36,700 well, that's obvious. If you've been following along 329 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:39,800 that's obvious. Yeah, like you said, it makes 330 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,100 more sense to include verbatim the things about the lore, which 331 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,800 are never going to be obvious, because this is like a thing. 332 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,400 Have created and they have the Bible. 333 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,900 You don't where's other things? It's like, well yeah and that 334 00:18:51,900 --> 00:18:54,800 situation this is just a logical conclusion. 335 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,900 We can all make it ourselves. We don't need this to be like 336 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:02,300 spoon-fed to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 337 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:06,800 I appreciate that about this show as well because right 338 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,800 before they leave do of the woods, they turn back and they 339 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,800 noticed the bats circling around the gate. 340 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,800 So as an audience, it's Slide here. 341 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,100 They can't go back through that because the bats are guarding 342 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:22,700 it. So I do appreciate they don't, 343 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:28,100 you know, say to the audience do you get that you know exactly go 344 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:35,100 in, you know, bats are there and it kills me when you when films 345 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:38,800 or TV shows do that. And, you know, I'm not trying to 346 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,600 call out, you know, any certain. But I noticed that a lot on 347 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,200 Hallmark movies. I'm just on you. 348 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,500 It's like someone Right here. You're like it's sometimes it 349 00:19:48,500 --> 00:19:52,500 can be a little cringe because they do that and it's like you 350 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:58,300 don't sometimes good cinema is just having your characters just 351 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:03,300 be quiet and just let the filming the views speak for 352 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:06,100 themselves. That's what I really enjoy about 353 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,300 the Duffer's and their writing style. 354 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,500 Yeah, I feel like that show not tell and it's very they tell you 355 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:15,900 the things you would not understand otherwise the upside 356 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:17,000 down. But everything else is there 357 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,200 showing it to you and they're expecting that you are enough 358 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,800 follow along and I like that, I feel like there's some tension 359 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,100 between Creator and an audience and I feel like everyone works 360 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,600 like, show really respects the relationship in the sense of 361 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,400 like, they're trusting you to be smart enough to get it. 362 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,400 And in return, you cross them to explore Things. 363 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:41,100 We Them explain to us. And the last point, I want to 364 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,400 make about this scene is and I really hope we come back to this 365 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,100 in season 5, so I'm sure you don't understand you. 366 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:52,500 But at the end of that scene, it says that the camera pulls back 367 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:58,300 to show all of Hawkins, the most epic shot they've ever done for 368 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:02,600 like full-on, you know, the entirety of Hawkins all covered 369 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,900 in Vines and all this stuff. But in the final version, we 370 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:08,900 just get a short pull back to like a little bit above the I'm 371 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:12,400 give that to the okay to like, radio tower and that's it and I 372 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,300 think we were wrong, but I don't think we see a full-size shot of 373 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:20,000 all of Hawkins in the upside down in season 4, we see parts 374 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,300 of it. I don't think we see the whole 375 00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:25,600 thing, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't think we do. 376 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:31,700 So yeah, I don't think we ever see complete like aerial view 377 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,300 of. Yeah, of the epidemic Hawkins. 378 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,500 I think probably the furthest that we have that we've seen. 379 00:21:38,700 --> 00:21:42,600 It is, when Nancy, you know, takes off runs through the woods 380 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,200 and then she notices the wheeler house, across that field. 381 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,400 Yeah, but yeah, I don't think we didn't get a single aerial view 382 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:57,000 and I think that is fine design when they obviously before the 383 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,600 final version of what we see on screen was filmed. 384 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,300 They probably were like, yeah, no, we can't let that cap the 385 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,600 bag, too soon. We got to save that. 386 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:16,400 For season 5, we gotta get Works epic shots, more, big shots. 387 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000 And I also felt they were because they do, they're very 388 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,900 cool. My favorite. 389 00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:22,700 Probably my favorite shot of the entire season is when the kids 390 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:25,700 are, whatever was riding the bikes and they turned all his 391 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:29,200 the opportunist physically upside down water flowing. 392 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:32,700 I feel like there's a good shot to be had their Peril shot. 393 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:36,600 There were they do that in 2005? Where you see the right side up 394 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,200 and the upside down? I also feel like might have been 395 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,600 like I remember Sean, leave his common. 396 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:51,700 He's like we have helicopter money now to pick and choose 397 00:22:51,700 --> 00:23:03,400 what they were doing. So yeah, Earth to do something 398 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:23,700 that. That would have been like, wait, 399 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:26,300 what are we doing? It would have given more but 400 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,300 they didn't have time to come back to it. 401 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,400 It was makes me wonder because I mean, like, I feel like they 402 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,800 would plan stuff and they go. To the end of it and I like, oh 403 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,000 my God, it's like to our. We gotta go we gotta move some 404 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,500 of the Season 5 because we're not we're running. 405 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:46,700 This is it's not going to be a fight. 406 00:23:46,700 --> 00:23:50,600 We can't make it five. So I appreciate that. 407 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,300 I do so much, I love this season like I had to take multiple 408 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:55,000 bathroom breaks and snack break some. 409 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,500 Let's not for so long. I've been any longer? 410 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:02,100 Yeah, totally. Yeah. 411 00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:11,500 So then we get the scene with Sullivan and agent Wallace. 412 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:14,600 You won't talk about that one. It was a it was very brief seen, 413 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,800 nothing really happened. Other than agent was eventually 414 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,900 succumb to the torture. Like we probably all wood and 415 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:26,100 give location and said you know just promise me you won't kill 416 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:31,900 her and you know well you did promise he did not kill. 417 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,700 He asked for, and that's the first thing they immediately try 418 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:40,200 to do and like I in the final set like part of me is like, I 419 00:24:40,208 --> 00:24:42,900 don't want those guys to come back as same time, like, or I 420 00:24:42,908 --> 00:24:44,700 just want them to, like, show up on the scene immediately get 421 00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:48,700 like going up or something because like, I just think of 422 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:50,200 another available. They just drove me nuts. 423 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,300 At the same time though, I would love to see a scene in which 424 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:57,100 those chicks like those like someone in his like people, 425 00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:59,200 because of you said that you people coming behind him when 426 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,700 they come out of the bunker. At the end there, I would love 427 00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:05,400 to You seen in which they wind up in front of Joyce and harbor. 428 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,700 Because like I feel like that would be epic. 429 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,900 So I'm kind of divided received by part of me is like all these 430 00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:15,700 guys show up and immediately get destroyed by that. 431 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:19,100 Now, on the other hand, I'm kind of like I'd like to him get 432 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:22,000 taken down, I lost be fine at they never appeared again, I 433 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,700 don't know. I'm I'm kind of divided on what 434 00:25:24,700 --> 00:25:27,400 I want to happen with that for season 5. 435 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:36,000 Yeah yeah and just real quick. It's I still am unsure as to why 436 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 they decided to bring on a character. 437 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:44,400 Like Sullivan this late in the game because the way you know, 438 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,100 when he when he talks with Owens and I think episode 3 it's 439 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:58,600 implied that Sullivan is maybe the one you know who's Always 440 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,700 been the one that's been after 11 really since season one 441 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,700 because I, I think they're, I've always thought there was a 442 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:11,300 deeper reason behind. Why Hopper had to hide 11? 443 00:26:11,300 --> 00:26:14,800 I don't think it really was. Just because Brenner was alive 444 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,100 and apparently out in Nevada. I think it it was because 445 00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:24,600 Sullivan or someone like him within the yeah, Elder I just 446 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,800 don't know why he's introduced this late in the game. 447 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:32,600 And yeah, the next season will provide some clarity. 448 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:37,000 Yeah, I just I think to me what bugs me about that came in his 449 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000 group is that like, there's still one dimensional, but their 450 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000 cartoon villains, because everybody else in the show Even 451 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,600 though really dumb characters, you're like, you at least 452 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,000 understand why they're dumb. Like the deputies don't have a 453 00:26:51,008 --> 00:26:54,000 lot of brains but you at least understand where that came from, 454 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,500 not that they're the villains. But you know what I mean? 455 00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:59,300 Like, but I Think because they've been introduced late in 456 00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:02,600 the game because we already have like Owens and we have Brenner. 457 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,300 We have all the lab people like because we've already been 458 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:08,400 introduced all those character and how they fit in and so many 459 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,200 of the characters I think are so complex and interesting. 460 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:14,000 When you have other kids have been introduced late in the game 461 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,500 who are so one-dimensional, and just very cartoonish and also 462 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,200 very dumb. I got to think this is supposed 463 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,000 to be like they're supposed to be top military brass and 464 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,000 they're so incredibly stupid. But that just, I could not get 465 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,100 over that I'm like, Like just our actions like they're taken a 466 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:34,100 woman's adult sons like projects from school out of the house as 467 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:35,800 if he'd hide it in an obvious places. 468 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,600 Guys. I'm dumb like I know, right are 469 00:27:39,608 --> 00:27:42,200 the location over the bunker and he's like cake, and like Owens 470 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,300 makes like a legitimate logical argument there. 471 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,300 He's like if you're right and I'm wrong, I'll I'll like I'll 472 00:27:47,300 --> 00:27:49,300 do it myself. But if I'm right and you're 473 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,900 wrong, we're gonna need her and he tends to take the shark who 474 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:54,700 wouldn't, like, how do you get the top? 475 00:27:54,700 --> 00:27:57,400 How do you be taught, military and knowingly? 476 00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,200 Take out somebody else, write a visibly, who could be your only 477 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,400 shot at saving Humanity? Yeah. 478 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,100 Like how are you? That stupid mechanical 479 00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,000 standpoint. So, that also got me, I'm like, 480 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,000 these people are like, the intelligence of like the 481 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,300 children on the show. You know what I mean? 482 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,200 Like, Holly wheelers got more intelligent than these guys. 483 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,000 I'm just saying, so I'm not, yeah, I'm with you there. 484 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,600 Like there's obviously more going on, but they just, they 485 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,200 came across as so cartoonish That. 486 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,800 I'm not like I also because I feel like I think because it's 487 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,200 not rooted in reality, not that there are people like that. 488 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,400 I don't mean like that but like the other villains we had this 489 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,600 season. Like vector, you get his whole 490 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,600 back story, right Runner know what? 491 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,600 We know where they're coming from? 492 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,400 Nothing owns the village but you don't kind of the larger 493 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,800 landscape the road but is but then like with the satanic panic 494 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,200 and Jason and all that stuff, it's horrible but because that's 495 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,100 have actually happened like that was a real thing as insanely 496 00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:58,600 stupid. Hysterical is the whole thing 497 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,000 was that has a basis in reality. So like I can even if I don't 498 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,100 look like love it as a pot, I can get going there. 499 00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:10,500 I understand, I can get into it but like I think because they've 500 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,300 introduced other than the gang. So late in the game and they're 501 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:16,400 just so incredibly stupid and one-dimensional that I'm like, 502 00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,700 like this is not, this is not jiving for me. 503 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,600 Yeah, yeah. Speaker, which I have thoughts 504 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,900 on the lightning to project bunker. 505 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:28,900 Seen Steve, Do you have thoughts on that? 506 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:35,800 On the, the scenes that come next. 507 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,700 Yeah. Yeah, I do. 508 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,900 So, you know, we get 11 with the goat, can she's regressing? 509 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,800 There's not much that I knows that was different about that 510 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,900 other than they said, like, you know, different few different 511 00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:57,300 phrases. And then after that, we get the 512 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:02,600 monsters and superheroes. You know, Brenner's tells 11 513 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:10,600 that stuff of myth and Legend. But then after that, we get the 514 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,000 first major discrepancy that I noticed so far between the 515 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:23,600 script and the on screen version and that is when 11 finally 516 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:30,400 agrees to Journey Back To The Past One Last Time and Brenner, 517 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,200 you know goes and gets the VCR tape and then we get back to 518 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,000 Brenner and Owens from the observation Booth after eleven 519 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:49,200 gets back into the tank. And then on screen dr. 520 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,800 Owens ask dr. Brenner, how much time did you 521 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,200 skip? But in the script, he asks 522 00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:00,600 Brenner, how many months did you Skip? 523 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:08,000 And which I noticed, so it at it, kind of made me thinking 524 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,700 like, why would they, why would they change this? 525 00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:16,600 This is I definitely didn't think this was improv or ad-lib. 526 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:23,800 Like I think they purposely told What's his name, Paul? 527 00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:32,500 Paul Reiser to say time instead of months, it could just be one 528 00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,500 of those things where it's like, we can't really give us a 529 00:31:36,508 --> 00:31:40,400 specific time frame for this or else we'll have to go back, 530 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:41,900 explain it. And if that's something they 531 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,700 didn't want to do next season, they didn't want to do that 532 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:50,800 before it means I just kind of wonder what else like what more 533 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,900 I was Brenner planning to do. What more was there to show her 534 00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,500 because we see it in episode 8 when he's trying to convince her 535 00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,100 to stay. He's like, you know, your 536 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,700 training is not complete, yet, we're going to finish our work 537 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,900 and you know, then he says, one day, you'll learn the truth 11. 538 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:15,000 And I just again, I think there's, you know, more to it 539 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,600 like in season one. We never really get a timetable 540 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:25,100 of exactly What years those are, when we see 11 crust the Coke 541 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:28,600 can is that 1979 or is that 1983? 542 00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:31,600 You know? It's I just found that really 543 00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:37,300 interesting that they changed that phrasing. 544 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:40,100 Completely. What did you think? 545 00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,800 Actually, I didn't catch that. That was, I caught other things 546 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:44,800 in that scene, but I didn't catch that. 547 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,800 They changed months to time. That's a good catch. 548 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,800 I I yeah, to me either reads like the deaf Brothers, 549 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,300 realizing that you need to give themselves more leeway. 550 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,900 But that timeline, although, to be fair of a whole controversy 551 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,200 about like, oh, you scooter, Will's birthday and like all of 552 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,600 the didn't happen till after it's tough it aired. 553 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,200 So I maybe I'm seeing a self-awareness there that wasn't 554 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,100 there yet or maybe they went to film it and they were like let's 555 00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:20,700 do time because I give just more leeway and I read like they do. 556 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:25,000 Establish what year that is like, I feel like that. 557 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,500 What was you? Someone has to be closer to 558 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:30,900 1979. That is 283. 559 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,500 But then, like we've talked about some previous episode. 560 00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:36,400 It's like, okay, well, what happened during the intervening 561 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,800 years because we see what happened 79 but that's not till 562 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,700 83 that 11 escapes and she escapes the same way that Henry 563 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,000 taught her. So like I said, we've talked 564 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200 with, I want to see how that happened. 565 00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:50,700 What was the Catalyst like, what? 566 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,500 Was the push that got her to finally be like I have to escape 567 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:59,100 because that happens and then burner has her for like several 568 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:02,600 more years. So what like what was it? 569 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,100 That finally was? Like I have to get out of here 570 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,100 and because I guess you could argue that the she saw like the 571 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,400 Deborah gorgon and it scared her. 572 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,900 Yeah, but it's not like that place. 573 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:18,100 Wasn't scary, so Ike. But what was the Catalyst 574 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:19,400 specifically? Or that? 575 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,600 Was it like I feel like it's got me To it and yeah I feel like 576 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,699 they're trying to get them to sleep early because K this gets 577 00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:27,500 me. So one burner walks into the 578 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,199 room with all the tapes like because like you know the bunker 579 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,100 wasn't destroyed and we know that the other military guys 580 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,100 love. So presumably like Owen still 581 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,000 has those tapes. I don't think that's the that 582 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,800 because like, one of my pet theories is that like, you know, 583 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,699 how he I've said that. Like, I think Wills going to 584 00:34:45,707 --> 00:34:48,199 have powers next season or he like he might and something they 585 00:34:48,207 --> 00:34:51,199 might explore and like figure out why I beg you. 586 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,300 Let him live in the whole thing. I feel the answer to somewhere 587 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,800 in those tapes, and if he had previously been at the lab, like 588 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,600 I feel like that Embraces in there. 589 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,000 So I've seen the like Owens talked about that other 590 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,700 facility. They had that they could reach 591 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:05,400 by Nightfall. So I'm kind of seeing a 592 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,700 situation in which, you know, like, like L and we'll go out 593 00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:12,900 there with like Joyce and Hopper and is one of those things that 594 00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,500 I can't. Let's try to figure out what 595 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:16,200 happened here, because the only person understood this was 596 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,900 Brenner a gone, hopefully, so I could gotta go. 597 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,300 I don't think they just showed us that room for no reason. 598 00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:27,000 Like I think I think we're going to come back that night. 599 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,600 I think the answer I think it'd be really cool to see a lot of 600 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,700 the Lord revealed through flashbacks of like L and will 601 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,900 going through it. So I think that would be super 602 00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,100 interesting. But yeah, that's a good catch. 603 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,800 The ones I caught were. And I like I really like this is 604 00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:51,100 so when Owens and Brett are looking through but the One room 605 00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:55,900 and I was trying to crush the Coke can Owens on his own and 606 00:35:55,900 --> 00:36:02,400 burners are verbatim until you get to the end there. 607 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,000 And no one's had good for us and he walks away. 608 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,500 And I really liked that lied because that I don't know if 609 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:15,300 that was an ad-lib that he added or if that was a Direction, but 610 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,500 I like it because it really humanizes Owens at that moment. 611 00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:21,500 Without that, I don't think it would have Sizing because it's 612 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:24,500 when you realize he's been working with Brenner and there's 613 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,900 people like hell runs and they like the injector and that keeps 614 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:32,100 happening and we just had that scene where Britt has the 615 00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:36,800 audacity to be like this place is not a person like yeah. 616 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000 I think it really humanizes brighter or sorry Owens. 617 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:48,400 Rather because you know, that moment where it's like, Big, he 618 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,300 doesn't want to be doing. That could happen that point. 619 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:54,100 You're like, like I remember every one of you are watching it 620 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:55,500 live. I was like oh like I you know 621 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:58,500 when he's helping out of the elevator and everything like 622 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,100 wow, like I feel like them saving his life is really, you 623 00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:05,000 know, really stuck with this guy and you know and it logs you 624 00:37:05,008 --> 00:37:07,400 that falls and security and then you turn the corner and brother 625 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,200 is there and it's like god dammit no ends but then that 626 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,400 moment really humanizes him for me because it's like he doesn't 627 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,800 want to be doing this but British so slick. 628 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000 So charismatic, Mattock, the he's convinced Owens. 629 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000 This is the only way and you can see that turning more almonds is 630 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,300 like maybe this guy's just been fucking with me the whole time 631 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,600 and he's just doing this so she can screw with her and he's like 632 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,900 God damn it because like as we established at the beginning of 633 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:39,000 this season Owens, like I was kind of wondering who owns went 634 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,400 home to, you know, what I mean. So they established like this 635 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,400 guy is a husband and father his, you know, he has a life. 636 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,700 He he was a doctor before. He was involved in all this 637 00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,800 stuff. He still is typically, you know, 638 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,000 there's a line. I think it's a season to we're 639 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,500 hopin Underhill, leaving the lab and Albert says, you know, like 640 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,300 that, you know, this post Max dressed up like that's real and 641 00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:03,400 you know, you think that degree this guy's got it. 642 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,000 So I think Owens is ultimately a doctor first, right? 643 00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:11,600 Edward as. Brenner is a scientist first and 644 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,300 foremost. So he justifies it all in his 645 00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,000 mind. Yeah I like that one. 646 00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:18,700 I really hope humanize do. Owens words, like he doesn't 647 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:22,300 want to be doing this, but he's like, well good for us like 648 00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:26,400 we're traumatizing this poor kid and this isn't working and he's 649 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,700 like, it's always always. He knows more than what he's 650 00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:32,600 letting on to. I mean, to the characters, and 651 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,300 because he some that with him and Brenner, it's like Owens 652 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,300 knows the threats that they're facing, which makes me wonder 653 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:40,400 when there was a now memories. And they kept saying was in 654 00:38:40,408 --> 00:38:43,000 Wells. Head did Owens actually believe 655 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,500 that, or did he know what was out there and he didn't want to 656 00:38:45,508 --> 00:38:47,300 scare them? Yeah. 657 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:50,400 Various for you could also say like they told them, what was 658 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,800 out there, I'm pretty sure Joyce would have had a complete 659 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,100 meltdown. That's very scary for well, so 660 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:59,600 yeah, you know, what was he is? He hiding it for nefarious 661 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,900 reason to protect himself, or is it, is it bigger than that? 662 00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:05,200 Because he says, I've been dreading this for a long time 663 00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:07,700 that it has he got files. Woodburner luck. 664 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:09,800 Like if they'd been working together the whole time, like I 665 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,300 feel like this guy knows more so I really like the humanized him 666 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,100 at that moment, especially because as a character like I 667 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:20,900 apologize. Get him to come back next 668 00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:25,100 season. The ones that is and I fully 669 00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:26,100 expect. I hope they do this. 670 00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:32,000 As part of the rebuilding of the lore is Hopper and Joyce like 671 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,100 getting him to make a house call and be like, okay if we're gonna 672 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,400 do this, like if we're gonna, we're gonna do this and we're 673 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,200 going to like, basically save the world. 674 00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,800 This is like the final showdown you act to tell us everything 675 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,000 because we're not going in there without all the possible 676 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,600 information, like that's the deal. 677 00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,300 Yeah, and I could then pulling up the files and him, like, 678 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:55,100 laying it all out there because I think it would be very, it 679 00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:56,900 would fit. Make sense for this character, 680 00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:00,200 for me, for to be revealed for, like, Carpenters be very 681 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,900 suspicious. And then when it's all revealed, 682 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:06,000 it's like, oh, you weren't hiding this, to be a dick about 683 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,100 it. You were hiding this because 684 00:40:08,100 --> 00:40:11,600 this is so much worse than what we thought like so much worse 685 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,100 and we didn't want to scare them, but it's like, well, if 686 00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:18,100 you're going down there to fight this thing, you you should know 687 00:40:18,100 --> 00:40:21,700 this or something in there being helpful to Will on Elm a figure 688 00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:25,600 it out. So I'm fully expecting that. 689 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:28,800 I'm looking forward to it. Some other things, I noticed. 690 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,100 When those scenes are we have the flashbacks to what happened 691 00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,000 to other numbers when L is trying to crush the cocaine, but 692 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600 not what her and burn her talking in her room, which I 693 00:40:37,607 --> 00:40:42,100 thought was a good choice because it made sense when she 694 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,500 trying to crush the cocaine, but I feel like they'd also include 695 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:48,700 them in the scene between LM Brenner It would have taken away 696 00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:52,600 from the actors and something, I loved loved loved about the 697 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,300 season. Was that? 698 00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:55,400 There were so many character moments. 699 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,900 We just had, like, two characters in a room or in a 700 00:40:57,908 --> 00:41:02,700 situation or a few of them. And she would very close 701 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,300 character moments that were just kind of centered on the actors. 702 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,800 Nothing else just them to in those died and their dialogue, 703 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,900 which I think really showed off. Like I've always said that the 704 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:18,500 acting on this show is fantastic but I think it really showed 705 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,800 when you can just zero in on two characters and just take a quiet 706 00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:25,900 moment. I feel like and I think it was 707 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:28,900 the right call to kind of remove some other stuff to just focus 708 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,600 down me like a major Point. Let's focus down at least two 709 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,000 actors because we know they can I visit sent it to us they know 710 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,000 they can deliver that and I like that. 711 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,400 It shows that trust in the actors to deliver just a very 712 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,500 serious. See, Seen or with great 713 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:47,300 gravitas. So I love that and something 714 00:41:47,300 --> 00:41:49,400 else. I'm sure you noticed this too 715 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,800 but the brighter as he's described in the script is a lot 716 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600 more hesitant and you see a lot more uncertainty. 717 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,700 Yeah. Yeah that I did in the I also 718 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:12,600 saw it as He seemed like a more understanding Brenner and the 719 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:19,200 script then scream because going back to the what you were saying 720 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:25,200 about when borrowing says, you know, good for us and then he 721 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,600 walks off, which he didn't say that in the script, probably 722 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,300 they don't eat. They added that. 723 00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:38,900 But after a woman says that and leave Just in the script. 724 00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:43,900 It says, on that note Owens heads out Brenner just keeps his 725 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:47,000 gaze trained on 11 and islands is not wrong. 726 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,400 She looks distant, lost scared and that's when he goes to talk 727 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,800 with her and give her the monsters and superheroes talk. 728 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,000 So yeah, I mean he definitely seems to be more understanding 729 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,100 and maybe a little more thoughtful of Of her feelings 730 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:14,200 and what she's going through in the script as opposed to on the 731 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,300 screen and on screen. It's like like you said, he's 732 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:22,400 the scientist first but he's just trying to get this this 733 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:31,400 child on board so that you have more daddy-daughter time to use 734 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,300 a quote from dr. Owens and I mean what he said, 735 00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:38,700 what he tells her is not Really wrong, you know, about, you 736 00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:44,200 know, life is not as simple as categories and categor Rising 737 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,200 everything into monsters and Subarus. 738 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,800 But you definitely can tell on scream that he's just like. 739 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,800 Yeah. It's like just please just go 740 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,100 get in the tank. Okay? 741 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,700 It's not a prison here. Just do what I say. 742 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:58,900 Okay. You know? 743 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,100 Yeah, and I are not me that's down to Matthew Modine 744 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:06,000 performance, because I feel like the way he carries it over so 745 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,200 into which I think he does a really good job because I Do by 746 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,400 my feel, like, well, I guess what they're trying to do in the 747 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,700 script to make him more? Maybe add more Dimension to him 748 00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:18,800 and make him more sympathetic or understandable. 749 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,200 I don't really like the decision. 750 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,900 They made their we're either they saw what the actors were 751 00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:27,800 doing and they just went with it or there was a conscious A 752 00:44:27,808 --> 00:44:29,600 choice. I to me, I kind of felt the 753 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,300 actors brought that and they were like, okay, we're just 754 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,000 going to go with this because they've done that before and 755 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,400 it's work. It's always worked out really 756 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,000 well. And I like that. 757 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,200 They trust their actors to be like, okay, this is what we 758 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,500 wrote for you. But this feels, this feels more 759 00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,800 right to you as the character. You know, we trust you to kind 760 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,900 of go with that, I think is great. 761 00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:02,500 I love and I also think because because opens when's it more 762 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,900 humanized with those little ad-libs and stuff. 763 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,600 I think the contrast between burner being like the scientist 764 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,200 first completely self-assured versus Owens being like he's 765 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,000 really down everything. They're doing like he's putting 766 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,400 on a brave face here but he he does not have the confidence in 767 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,100 this at all. I like that contrast and as in 768 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:26,500 terms of who lives and who dies, This universe, I liked that. 769 00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:30,600 The guy like Owens is only the only character I would say at 770 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,500 about the government lab people we've ever really you there. 771 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,500 Ever really get to know where he you feel like he had no soul. 772 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,300 He feel like he does care, he is convicted. 773 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,500 Where's everyone else? Just feels like a scientist or 774 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:47,500 government agent and they just don't have that, which is one of 775 00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,600 the main things, I think makes them so interesting. 776 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,900 And I like that contrast. I like that. 777 00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:53,600 We got that contrast between someone who. 778 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000 So, so sure, like that. Someone who's doubting it. 779 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,500 And I think ultimately it was the better choice because I 780 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:04,400 think four burners character. I think the way Matthew Modine 781 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,000 play that makes more sense from his character. 782 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,900 Because from that first for that scene, when we were with him in 783 00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:13,000 hopper in season one, where he's like surprises, like a handshake 784 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,900 deal fixes the whole thing basically, huh. 785 00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:18,600 This guy's a True Believer. This guy's a scientist first and 786 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,200 what else is here for the job. But Brenner truly believe he's 787 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,000 doing the right thing. Yeah, that's why I feel like 788 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,200 that maybe send Is later on when he tries to force them to stay 789 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:31,200 and he calls him on that and she's like, no, no, we're in 790 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,400 this mess because you couldn't stop searching for Henry and all 791 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,800 these people learn by the, you don't seem to care and you and 792 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,000 he reminds her what he did to her mother and he justifies it, 793 00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:44,900 he doesn't hesitate, he justifies heat believed his 100% 794 00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:48,500 there and only when he's dying due to Sea angling of what, 795 00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:52,400 maybe this wasn't the best idea. But to me, that's as the life 796 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,400 turns out of you, obviously, you, you think back, Right 797 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,700 consider, but up until that point, he's not 100% sure. 798 00:46:58,700 --> 00:47:00,500 And to me, that was mixing believe. 799 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:05,300 What if we had that doubt? That, that level of dig out to 800 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:09,000 him or understanding? I feel like maybe somebody less 801 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,700 compelling because it's like one of your doubtless. 802 00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,300 Why are you doing it? Like, I believe that in a 803 00:47:13,308 --> 00:47:16,100 character like Owens, you can understand where he's coming 804 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,000 from. I don't think I'd buy it in 805 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,700 broader. I think, by the way did right 806 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,900 choice there, because he's completely selfish or completely 807 00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,000 ignore. He's doing To him is all 808 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,300 justifiable and I think that's what makes the character work. 809 00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:33,800 Like he's the villain but he's also like he's so convinced. 810 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,600 He's right that but you see how he sells people on it because 811 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,800 he's so mincing. He's like he's like the used car 812 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,800 salesman. Like whatever the heck you're 813 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,200 going to call this, you know what I mean about 86 comments. 814 00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:54,800 Like that's that's who he is 100% And I believe he was always 815 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,300 That guy like I don't believe that was a younger brother that 816 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:02,400 was not that guy 100% was always that guy like he was trying to 817 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,900 Swindle kids as like a child like how to pretend he was 818 00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:07,800 always that guy. Oh yeah, totally she's 819 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,400 definitely. Yes definitely.