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another episode of the show. And today we have As always, a
special episode for you guys and Jasmine are going to be breaking
down the script to the 7th episode of stranger things
season. Four, of course, I'm talking
about the massacre at Hawkins lab which most of you probably
have already seen it. If you haven't, please go to
Netflix and do not listen to today's episode because you will
be spoiled. But what we're going to do here
is it's not really going to be a recap episode.
But we're going to be analyzing the script, which was released.
But at the time of this recording about two weeks ago on
Deadline I believe and this is the official script folks, I'll
link it in the description that the episode because it is the
official script. You don't have to worry about
any scams going on here, and this will be like this is not
just be one episode. We're going to have probably At
least two, if not more episodes to Brett's down because there is
a lot to get to, there's like seriously over 100 pages of the
script and it's wonderful. And for those of you who loved
Who Loved writing script writing all that, then it's like gold
right now. So we're going to begin by is
just talking about some of our immediate reactions that we had
to. Graduate reading the script and
just some things that we noticed right off the bat, we're going
to this because, you know, Jasmine I did a lot of hard work
for you guys like so you didn't have to because we dared sparks
notes version. Yes, is the sport that
characterization? Yes.
Because nodes. Yes.
And so because we care about you guys and we want we want to get
this out. Urso Jasmine.
Why don't you begin by just, you know, tell the people what you
noticed. Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm still
working my way through the script full disclosure because
it's so much complex. I mean, the other students,
helping them hour and a half and the Door of Hope than that.
Because I know you notice patterns and I may not have
noticed the patterns because I'm still like going through with a
fine-tooth comb. So you're going to notice.
Those are actual notice patterns.
I have not noticed yet, but First Reactions.
I also died. Also did skin larger parts of it
too as well. So, I guess First Reactions is,
I think it's very interesting to see what they wrote originally
and what wound up on screen. And I think there are several
points where like there is a big deviation from what they
originally wrote to what we saw on our screens and what would be
like the original script versus Cannon, which I thought was very
interesting and something that really stood out to me is
because I don't think we've ever correct me if I'm wrong.
But have we ever seen like an official script like a full?
Official script from the show before.
I haven't, I don't really know if there really is one that
exists before this one. Other than there was one, it's
called mom taught, which is was their original idea.
You can find that one out there which is definitely, it's cool.
I actually read that script that's like one of the First
episodes of podcast ever. So anyone out there you can go
back, listen to that. It's it's definitely a lot
different than the Issue of all buyers.
I can definitely tell you that. I've heard dad's, yeah.
That definitely, yeah. But I don't, I don't know of any
others that are that are out there.
Maybe whoever, if anyone's out there listening and you have any
info on that, you know, please let us know.
We'd love to hear that. So because I know they've
released because they release portions of those scenes, right?
Like on Twitter, they were doing that thing.
We have little beds, but not a full script in something that
really stood out. To me, was I hadn't really
thought about it. I thought About the dialogue.
But I hadn't thought about how they were describing, like the
scene directions or the descriptions.
That would be for the actors themselves.
I really like people really commented on this season.
How you know, when you add subtitles on?
And it'd be like, squelching loudly, like the this, or like
synth-pop, plays ominously, and how great those were, and they
were very descriptive. Which I love because I feel like
it, you know, they really described for people if you
can't see it. I thought that was cool.
And also, I always have subtitles on when I'm watching
things, if I'm alone. So I love that.
But I hadn't thought about the, the descriptors they would give
for the actors. And something I notice is I like
they swear quite a bit in the descriptions, which I was not
expecting and I'm like, right? So like I feel like the script
is very grown-up because the season because like yeah, you
couldn't describe the bads of like, there's a lot Muggers,
when the entire class. Well, right?
So I feel like that was the change.
Like, I feel like if we had, for example, script from season 1,
Season 2, Season 3, compared to this script, this was very
obviously, like, okay, all the actors are, you know, teenagers?
Now all the characters are older, the tone of the show
reflects that, but I hadn't thought about how that would be
described. And I'm interesting because I
think that really informs for the places where there were ad
libs, Over there were changes. I feel like that really informs
the actors, like when you read a script, but then like, it dawned
on me, I'm okay. Well, they would have read this
at table reads, right? So like, when you're reading the
table read and the description is like another one of these
guys like it's like, oh man, there's so many of these
fuckers. Like, what the hell?
I'm like, that's the description you're reading out, like,
either. Somebody reads that out loud or
you're reading it to yourself. You're reading a before you're
married, you're lying. Like, when you prep for because
I think it description you like, dude.
His, I gotta say that you'd be given to them and either you do
them live or you might get them a little bit ahead of time.
I'm not sure how they do. There's every show, does it
differently. But regardless, when you're
sitting there and you're opening it and you're like, so I thought
that was really I like I thought that was that was funny and I
liked it. They kind of carried over the
maturity and the acknowledged by the like these are not kids
anymore. The entire thing should reflect
that and I like that, I thought it was fun.
And I think I prefer to have seen other shows where the
actors got older and they still tried to go for that younger or
more kid like thing. And I, I know some people were
like, oh, this isn't me so much darker.
I was concerned about that, but when they do, they release that,
you know, ahead of time. But I actually like the end
result because I'm like, yeah, I like to thank knowledge and
worked, what worked with the grain weathered Against the
Grain? Because I've seen it both ways.
And that really stood out to me with the script And yeah, I
think those are my person first impressions.
What were yours? Yeah, I was gon find because
when I was taking my notes, I was watching as I was reading
the script and I would like highlight, you know, you know,
what was like the same and all that and eventually, I just
stopped doing that because I noticed there were so many like
minor. Dialogue changes minor movement
motion changes from the script of what was the final product on
screen and I just noticed that how, how much leeway the actors
have for improv. And I think that's such a great
thing that the duffers, trust their actors enough to just let
them, you know, kind of dictator control.
What, you know what's Happening. They're not, you know, this has
to be line for line, and I really, I really enjoy it
because it looks more natural as a viewer to say it's it looks
more, you know, Human, I guess you'd say now they were, were
there were certain dialogues, that were almost verbatim and
you can definitely tell they're like, hey, we need you to say
this as close to this, as we have it written as possible.
And a lot of that does come with the relation to the lore, and
the stuff with Henry Vick, no one, whatever, you know, and
with Brenner and stuff, which I really appreciate them doing
that. But yeah, So it was really,
really cool to see, just really how much improv there is
because, you know, we've heard a lot about Millie Bobby Brown
doing a lot of improv. So I'm like, okay, that's
expected. But, you know, just to see how
much the others improv as well was, it was really cool.
But it's also like you could also say well maybe It's not
just solely improv, maybe it's just, you know, revisions or
whatever. When they because they like
provide the script like five times as you can you can see
that like on the second page. So I don't know if it was during
filming they decide to make changes and I kind of that vibe
to where I'm like these could have been improvs or they could
have because they both wrote a direct of this episode.
So like I believe this could have been improper or they could
have gotten there the day of they could have run through the
lines. Because I watched an interview
for some other show, I was watching.
And and I said, you know, that the, you know, if you already
show that allows improv, the typical rule is you do a take
where you do the line, exactly, or you might do a few, if they
really loved that line, and then once you've nailed it and
they're like, okay, we got it. Then you can ad lib.
And that's pretty industry standard from what I've heard.
So it makes me wonder, if like, did they run it through the
first time and they would then they got in there, like Ma, I
don't know. How that sounds when you're
actually saying it or you know, ad-lib it a bit.
Like I don't know, I wrote this but I don't know if I'm loving
it like you know what, I feel like it could be one of the
other cool little bit above. Like, I feel like they these are
good actors. So I thought they'd probably
read it through one. So they're like okay let me let
me just, you know, take a pot, take a coffee break.
I'm just gonna, we're just gonna, we're just gonna mock
this up. Yeah.
And headed back to them. Also, I think because with
Cobra, like I've heard from Mac, things have seen with actors
were like Normally, you're like snacking in the break room.
Like there's a lot of back of the legs, but with covid you
couldn't do that. So, also kind of in between
takes, I could see a kind of be like, oh, are we shooting this
word? The re setting up there.
Read, cleaning everything for covid, okay?
Letting this mock-up the script and give it back to them, like
there's a lot more. Like, wait time, that was
happening during covid-19. Also see that kind of a, you
know, as a writer when you've been working on something, I
feel like I could touch that up. I feel like I did this to me.
Little bit. And then the nice part is, you
have a gay film for water. I think 360, was it four days or
360 or something like that? Like, almost a full year.
Like I think because you have so many takes you've done it so
many times, when you go to editing, you can pick which take
you feel as the best. Yeah.
So I got that sense to I'm like it could kind of be a kind of
land. A like a combination of all of
all three kind of Yeah, that's where I fell.
Tall. And so what again to few more
plot specifics here and, you know, we'll just begin at the
beginning of the episode and it's we pick up right?
Where we left off with Steve being attacked by the demo
baths. And it's basically like Like all
the dialogues that was like basically the same as we see it.
Laughing. Yeah, you have like the only
thing good. Yeah, why is it because like the
the essence of the seniors and changed?
I noticed that the actors wear and ad-lib a lot more than in
the fight scene, then is in the script and it makes me wonder,
I'm like I wonder what they had to interact with because one of
his death were brothers. Had was like season 3.
It was a ball on a stick into the sea, they wanted to give
them something to interact with. So I know, victim was practical
effects and a lot of the sets were, but I'm like, I wonder
what they were interacting with with the Democrat.
Was it remote control? Like because the winner interact
and I'm like, that feels like something you would do.
If you were physically interacting with something which
makes you wonder if they had. I felt they must have had
something. They were reacting to.
Uh-huh, because I noticed that like Eddie swears a lot more in
the final version versus the script also needs to weigh more
active participant. Like the Eddie from the script
and I think this is probably why it became such a fan.
Favorite is the Eddie from the script is like this is new to
him. So he's a bit more hesitant,
he's a bit more. Not reserved, but he's he
doesn't say as much, he's not interacting as much where's
event? The final Eddie we got was
there's a lot more interacts a lot more like he is bewildered
by it all, but the minute he becomes part of it, he starts
interacting a lot on the same level as the other characters
which I think makes them feel more real.
So I think that was a positive change.
I also noticed, I had to subtitles turned on.
I notice that like when for example like Nancy and Robert
are going out for the bats, they're having an Tire
conversation about and to the bats and like, yelling and
swearing at them, which is not in the script.
What I thought was a good addition, is you also see the
penguin characters, react, like you can see like Eddie screaming
and swearing, but the also gorillas are like trying to get
the bats to come to them, so they can kill them.
Like, come on, like they're yelling at them trying to get
them to come to them. But in the script they're more
like. Yeah.
So I like that. I thought that was a good change
because like it changes the tone.
None of it. And I was just thinking see each
characters like development really well there.
And like, characterization I should say because, you know,
Eddie's freaked out, but he's like, I'm going down swinging
and then you have Robin who's freaked out.
But she's like, please, like, come on like, you know, get it,
where is Nancy's just had it and she's like, like just going at
it. You don't totally enough to like
Steve like yeah. And they describe the he takes
the the back. I feel like they tried to that
practically to look dumb or they just realized when they got
there that him like carrying it like it bring in half and more
sense, the wisdom of bad like react physically.
I feel like either. They filmed it look dumb or
they're like, hey, this would be more interesting.
So, yeah, I like like I think ripping apart made more sense.
I also appreciated that like they took out, I did.
This was a good change, like they go.
About Steve's lied about seeing the sights and Eddie's got the
backbone the door. Yes, I noticed that one.
That's like the biggest discrepancy that I noticed and
also Nancy in the script says we can take cover in the woods.
Come on. But in on screen she just says
the woods. Come on and they're just you
know, look at Woods which I thought was good because you
don't really need her to say. We can take cover because it's
like, of course you can do that. Just say let's go to the woods.
Let's find out, you know. Yeah, and I feel like what they
cut from the sea was either. Like I feel like those that
those lines would you did seem that it would have made it more
comedic but we're moving to make some more like cinematic and
dramatic what you needed to be for you to really feel like the
bats work threat. Yeah.
Especially because it comes back at the end of the season with
Eddie I feel like they really had to sell that to us.
And again I think I'm stuff in the script where it made sense
for the writer but then I got to film and it's like, oh, we can
cut But this, my personal, they were, they'll proceed to cut for
time because I think was like, the entire season was way over
what? It's been.
Yeah, the big thing. So, I can see changes where I'm
like, if that end of the K and of covid hadn't happened when
and it did, if they'd been able to normally, I feel like someone
something weird might have been included because they would have
had a bit more time. Uh-huh.
But their stuff here that I can tell, they're definitely caught
it like this in particular but throughout the script where it's
like, yeah, that's obvious if you've been following along.
Like there's this part later where when they take cover in to
Skull Rock. There's a few parts later to
where it's like. Yeah, that's obvious like they
come back like Robin says, oh, you know something about them
guarding? Oh yeah, blow them up and threw
them to get rid of. So, they're stopped guarding the
door. It's implied that opposite to
guarding the door, back to the right side up because if they
weren't, they just go back through the door.
It's obvious and something I appreciate about the show.
Is that like this, obviously a show for smart people.
Like you have to have a certain level of like critical thinking
and like media literacy to get it exact.
I appreciate that. They don't dumb that down.
Yeah, I appreciate that. Don't hit you over the head with
it. They, you know, they and I think
those are good at like to take something out when it's like,
well, that's obvious. If you've been following along
that's obvious. Yeah, like you said, it makes
more sense to include verbatim the things about the lore, which
are never going to be obvious, because this is like a thing.
Have created and they have the Bible.
You don't where's other things? It's like, well yeah and that
situation this is just a logical conclusion.
We can all make it ourselves. We don't need this to be like
spoon-fed to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I appreciate that about this show as well because right
before they leave do of the woods, they turn back and they
noticed the bats circling around the gate.
So as an audience, it's Slide here.
They can't go back through that because the bats are guarding
it. So I do appreciate they don't,
you know, say to the audience do you get that you know exactly go
in, you know, bats are there and it kills me when you when films
or TV shows do that. And, you know, I'm not trying to
call out, you know, any certain. But I noticed that a lot on
Hallmark movies. I'm just on you.
It's like someone Right here. You're like it's sometimes it
can be a little cringe because they do that and it's like you
don't sometimes good cinema is just having your characters just
be quiet and just let the filming the views speak for
themselves. That's what I really enjoy about
the Duffer's and their writing style.
Yeah, I feel like that show not tell and it's very they tell you
the things you would not understand otherwise the upside
down. But everything else is there
showing it to you and they're expecting that you are enough
follow along and I like that, I feel like there's some tension
between Creator and an audience and I feel like everyone works
like, show really respects the relationship in the sense of
like, they're trusting you to be smart enough to get it.
And in return, you cross them to explore Things.
We Them explain to us. And the last point, I want to
make about this scene is and I really hope we come back to this
in season 5, so I'm sure you don't understand you.
But at the end of that scene, it says that the camera pulls back
to show all of Hawkins, the most epic shot they've ever done for
like full-on, you know, the entirety of Hawkins all covered
in Vines and all this stuff. But in the final version, we
just get a short pull back to like a little bit above the I'm
give that to the okay to like, radio tower and that's it and I
think we were wrong, but I don't think we see a full-size shot of
all of Hawkins in the upside down in season 4, we see parts
of it. I don't think we see the whole
thing, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't think we do.
So yeah, I don't think we ever see complete like aerial view
of. Yeah, of the epidemic Hawkins.
I think probably the furthest that we have that we've seen.
It is, when Nancy, you know, takes off runs through the woods
and then she notices the wheeler house, across that field.
Yeah, but yeah, I don't think we didn't get a single aerial view
and I think that is fine design when they obviously before the
final version of what we see on screen was filmed.
They probably were like, yeah, no, we can't let that cap the
bag, too soon. We got to save that.
For season 5, we gotta get Works epic shots, more, big shots.
And I also felt they were because they do, they're very
cool. My favorite.
Probably my favorite shot of the entire season is when the kids
are, whatever was riding the bikes and they turned all his
the opportunist physically upside down water flowing.
I feel like there's a good shot to be had their Peril shot.
There were they do that in 2005? Where you see the right side up
and the upside down? I also feel like might have been
like I remember Sean, leave his common.
He's like we have helicopter money now to pick and choose
what they were doing. So yeah, Earth to do something
that. That would have been like, wait,
what are we doing? It would have given more but
they didn't have time to come back to it.
It was makes me wonder because I mean, like, I feel like they
would plan stuff and they go. To the end of it and I like, oh
my God, it's like to our. We gotta go we gotta move some
of the Season 5 because we're not we're running.
This is it's not going to be a fight.
We can't make it five. So I appreciate that.
I do so much, I love this season like I had to take multiple
bathroom breaks and snack break some.
Let's not for so long. I've been any longer?
Yeah, totally. Yeah.
So then we get the scene with Sullivan and agent Wallace.
You won't talk about that one. It was a it was very brief seen,
nothing really happened. Other than agent was eventually
succumb to the torture. Like we probably all wood and
give location and said you know just promise me you won't kill
her and you know well you did promise he did not kill.
He asked for, and that's the first thing they immediately try
to do and like I in the final set like part of me is like, I
don't want those guys to come back as same time, like, or I
just want them to, like, show up on the scene immediately get
like going up or something because like, I just think of
another available. They just drove me nuts.
At the same time though, I would love to see a scene in which
those chicks like those like someone in his like people,
because of you said that you people coming behind him when
they come out of the bunker. At the end there, I would love
to You seen in which they wind up in front of Joyce and harbor.
Because like I feel like that would be epic.
So I'm kind of divided received by part of me is like all these
guys show up and immediately get destroyed by that.
Now, on the other hand, I'm kind of like I'd like to him get
taken down, I lost be fine at they never appeared again, I
don't know. I'm I'm kind of divided on what
I want to happen with that for season 5.
Yeah yeah and just real quick. It's I still am unsure as to why
they decided to bring on a character.
Like Sullivan this late in the game because the way you know,
when he when he talks with Owens and I think episode 3 it's
implied that Sullivan is maybe the one you know who's Always
been the one that's been after 11 really since season one
because I, I think they're, I've always thought there was a
deeper reason behind. Why Hopper had to hide 11?
I don't think it really was. Just because Brenner was alive
and apparently out in Nevada. I think it it was because
Sullivan or someone like him within the yeah, Elder I just
don't know why he's introduced this late in the game.
And yeah, the next season will provide some clarity.
Yeah, I just I think to me what bugs me about that came in his
group is that like, there's still one dimensional, but their
cartoon villains, because everybody else in the show Even
though really dumb characters, you're like, you at least
understand why they're dumb. Like the deputies don't have a
lot of brains but you at least understand where that came from,
not that they're the villains. But you know what I mean?
Like, but I Think because they've been introduced late in
the game because we already have like Owens and we have Brenner.
We have all the lab people like because we've already been
introduced all those character and how they fit in and so many
of the characters I think are so complex and interesting.
When you have other kids have been introduced late in the game
who are so one-dimensional, and just very cartoonish and also
very dumb. I got to think this is supposed
to be like they're supposed to be top military brass and
they're so incredibly stupid. But that just, I could not get
over that I'm like, Like just our actions like they're taken a
woman's adult sons like projects from school out of the house as
if he'd hide it in an obvious places.
Guys. I'm dumb like I know, right are
the location over the bunker and he's like cake, and like Owens
makes like a legitimate logical argument there.
He's like if you're right and I'm wrong, I'll I'll like I'll
do it myself. But if I'm right and you're
wrong, we're gonna need her and he tends to take the shark who
wouldn't, like, how do you get the top?
How do you be taught, military and knowingly?
Take out somebody else, write a visibly, who could be your only
shot at saving Humanity? Yeah.
Like how are you? That stupid mechanical
standpoint. So, that also got me, I'm like,
these people are like, the intelligence of like the
children on the show. You know what I mean?
Like, Holly wheelers got more intelligent than these guys.
I'm just saying, so I'm not, yeah, I'm with you there.
Like there's obviously more going on, but they just, they
came across as so cartoonish That.
I'm not like I also because I feel like I think because it's
not rooted in reality, not that there are people like that.
I don't mean like that but like the other villains we had this
season. Like vector, you get his whole
back story, right Runner know what?
We know where they're coming from?
Nothing owns the village but you don't kind of the larger
landscape the road but is but then like with the satanic panic
and Jason and all that stuff, it's horrible but because that's
have actually happened like that was a real thing as insanely
stupid. Hysterical is the whole thing
was that has a basis in reality. So like I can even if I don't
look like love it as a pot, I can get going there.
I understand, I can get into it but like I think because they've
introduced other than the gang. So late in the game and they're
just so incredibly stupid and one-dimensional that I'm like,
like this is not, this is not jiving for me.
Yeah, yeah. Speaker, which I have thoughts
on the lightning to project bunker.
Seen Steve, Do you have thoughts on that?
On the, the scenes that come next.
Yeah. Yeah, I do.
So, you know, we get 11 with the goat, can she's regressing?
There's not much that I knows that was different about that
other than they said, like, you know, different few different
phrases. And then after that, we get the
monsters and superheroes. You know, Brenner's tells 11
that stuff of myth and Legend. But then after that, we get the
first major discrepancy that I noticed so far between the
script and the on screen version and that is when 11 finally
agrees to Journey Back To The Past One Last Time and Brenner,
you know goes and gets the VCR tape and then we get back to
Brenner and Owens from the observation Booth after eleven
gets back into the tank. And then on screen dr.
Owens ask dr. Brenner, how much time did you
skip? But in the script, he asks
Brenner, how many months did you Skip?
And which I noticed, so it at it, kind of made me thinking
like, why would they, why would they change this?
This is I definitely didn't think this was improv or ad-lib.
Like I think they purposely told What's his name, Paul?
Paul Reiser to say time instead of months, it could just be one
of those things where it's like, we can't really give us a
specific time frame for this or else we'll have to go back,
explain it. And if that's something they
didn't want to do next season, they didn't want to do that
before it means I just kind of wonder what else like what more
I was Brenner planning to do. What more was there to show her
because we see it in episode 8 when he's trying to convince her
to stay. He's like, you know, your
training is not complete, yet, we're going to finish our work
and you know, then he says, one day, you'll learn the truth 11.
And I just again, I think there's, you know, more to it
like in season one. We never really get a timetable
of exactly What years those are, when we see 11 crust the Coke
can is that 1979 or is that 1983?
You know? It's I just found that really
interesting that they changed that phrasing.
Completely. What did you think?
Actually, I didn't catch that. That was, I caught other things
in that scene, but I didn't catch that.
They changed months to time. That's a good catch.
I I yeah, to me either reads like the deaf Brothers,
realizing that you need to give themselves more leeway.
But that timeline, although, to be fair of a whole controversy
about like, oh, you scooter, Will's birthday and like all of
the didn't happen till after it's tough it aired.
So I maybe I'm seeing a self-awareness there that wasn't
there yet or maybe they went to film it and they were like let's
do time because I give just more leeway and I read like they do.
Establish what year that is like, I feel like that.
What was you? Someone has to be closer to
1979. That is 283.
But then, like we've talked about some previous episode.
It's like, okay, well, what happened during the intervening
years because we see what happened 79 but that's not till
83 that 11 escapes and she escapes the same way that Henry
taught her. So like I said, we've talked
with, I want to see how that happened.
What was the Catalyst like, what?
Was the push that got her to finally be like I have to escape
because that happens and then burner has her for like several
more years. So what like what was it?
That finally was? Like I have to get out of here
and because I guess you could argue that the she saw like the
Deborah gorgon and it scared her.
Yeah, but it's not like that place.
Wasn't scary, so Ike. But what was the Catalyst
specifically? Or that?
Was it like I feel like it's got me To it and yeah I feel like
they're trying to get them to sleep early because K this gets
me. So one burner walks into the
room with all the tapes like because like you know the bunker
wasn't destroyed and we know that the other military guys
love. So presumably like Owen still
has those tapes. I don't think that's the that
because like, one of my pet theories is that like, you know,
how he I've said that. Like, I think Wills going to
have powers next season or he like he might and something they
might explore and like figure out why I beg you.
Let him live in the whole thing. I feel the answer to somewhere
in those tapes, and if he had previously been at the lab, like
I feel like that Embraces in there.
So I've seen the like Owens talked about that other
facility. They had that they could reach
by Nightfall. So I'm kind of seeing a
situation in which, you know, like, like L and we'll go out
there with like Joyce and Hopper and is one of those things that
I can't. Let's try to figure out what
happened here, because the only person understood this was
Brenner a gone, hopefully, so I could gotta go.
I don't think they just showed us that room for no reason.
Like I think I think we're going to come back that night.
I think the answer I think it'd be really cool to see a lot of
the Lord revealed through flashbacks of like L and will
going through it. So I think that would be super
interesting. But yeah, that's a good catch.
The ones I caught were. And I like I really like this is
so when Owens and Brett are looking through but the One room
and I was trying to crush the Coke can Owens on his own and
burners are verbatim until you get to the end there.
And no one's had good for us and he walks away.
And I really liked that lied because that I don't know if
that was an ad-lib that he added or if that was a Direction, but
I like it because it really humanizes Owens at that moment.
Without that, I don't think it would have Sizing because it's
when you realize he's been working with Brenner and there's
people like hell runs and they like the injector and that keeps
happening and we just had that scene where Britt has the
audacity to be like this place is not a person like yeah.
I think it really humanizes brighter or sorry Owens.
Rather because you know, that moment where it's like, Big, he
doesn't want to be doing. That could happen that point.
You're like, like I remember every one of you are watching it
live. I was like oh like I you know
when he's helping out of the elevator and everything like
wow, like I feel like them saving his life is really, you
know, really stuck with this guy and you know and it logs you
that falls and security and then you turn the corner and brother
is there and it's like god dammit no ends but then that
moment really humanizes him for me because it's like he doesn't
want to be doing this but British so slick.
So charismatic, Mattock, the he's convinced Owens.
This is the only way and you can see that turning more almonds is
like maybe this guy's just been fucking with me the whole time
and he's just doing this so she can screw with her and he's like
God damn it because like as we established at the beginning of
this season Owens, like I was kind of wondering who owns went
home to, you know, what I mean. So they established like this
guy is a husband and father his, you know, he has a life.
He he was a doctor before. He was involved in all this
stuff. He still is typically, you know,
there's a line. I think it's a season to we're
hopin Underhill, leaving the lab and Albert says, you know, like
that, you know, this post Max dressed up like that's real and
you know, you think that degree this guy's got it.
So I think Owens is ultimately a doctor first, right?
Edward as. Brenner is a scientist first and
foremost. So he justifies it all in his
mind. Yeah I like that one.
I really hope humanize do. Owens words, like he doesn't
want to be doing this, but he's like, well good for us like
we're traumatizing this poor kid and this isn't working and he's
like, it's always always. He knows more than what he's
letting on to. I mean, to the characters, and
because he some that with him and Brenner, it's like Owens
knows the threats that they're facing, which makes me wonder
when there was a now memories. And they kept saying was in
Wells. Head did Owens actually believe
that, or did he know what was out there and he didn't want to
scare them? Yeah.
Various for you could also say like they told them, what was
out there, I'm pretty sure Joyce would have had a complete
meltdown. That's very scary for well, so
yeah, you know, what was he is? He hiding it for nefarious
reason to protect himself, or is it, is it bigger than that?
Because he says, I've been dreading this for a long time
that it has he got files. Woodburner luck.
Like if they'd been working together the whole time, like I
feel like this guy knows more so I really like the humanized him
at that moment, especially because as a character like I
apologize. Get him to come back next
season. The ones that is and I fully
expect. I hope they do this.
As part of the rebuilding of the lore is Hopper and Joyce like
getting him to make a house call and be like, okay if we're gonna
do this, like if we're gonna, we're gonna do this and we're
going to like, basically save the world.
This is like the final showdown you act to tell us everything
because we're not going in there without all the possible
information, like that's the deal.
Yeah, and I could then pulling up the files and him, like,
laying it all out there because I think it would be very, it
would fit. Make sense for this character,
for me, for to be revealed for, like, Carpenters be very
suspicious. And then when it's all revealed,
it's like, oh, you weren't hiding this, to be a dick about
it. You were hiding this because
this is so much worse than what we thought like so much worse
and we didn't want to scare them, but it's like, well, if
you're going down there to fight this thing, you you should know
this or something in there being helpful to Will on Elm a figure
it out. So I'm fully expecting that.
I'm looking forward to it. Some other things, I noticed.
When those scenes are we have the flashbacks to what happened
to other numbers when L is trying to crush the cocaine, but
not what her and burn her talking in her room, which I
thought was a good choice because it made sense when she
trying to crush the cocaine, but I feel like they'd also include
them in the scene between LM Brenner It would have taken away
from the actors and something, I loved loved loved about the
season. Was that?
There were so many character moments.
We just had, like, two characters in a room or in a
situation or a few of them. And she would very close
character moments that were just kind of centered on the actors.
Nothing else just them to in those died and their dialogue,
which I think really showed off. Like I've always said that the
acting on this show is fantastic but I think it really showed
when you can just zero in on two characters and just take a quiet
moment. I feel like and I think it was
the right call to kind of remove some other stuff to just focus
down me like a major Point. Let's focus down at least two
actors because we know they can I visit sent it to us they know
they can deliver that and I like that.
It shows that trust in the actors to deliver just a very
serious. See, Seen or with great
gravitas. So I love that and something
else. I'm sure you noticed this too
but the brighter as he's described in the script is a lot
more hesitant and you see a lot more uncertainty.
Yeah. Yeah that I did in the I also
saw it as He seemed like a more understanding Brenner and the
script then scream because going back to the what you were saying
about when borrowing says, you know, good for us and then he
walks off, which he didn't say that in the script, probably
they don't eat. They added that.
But after a woman says that and leave Just in the script.
It says, on that note Owens heads out Brenner just keeps his
gaze trained on 11 and islands is not wrong.
She looks distant, lost scared and that's when he goes to talk
with her and give her the monsters and superheroes talk.
So yeah, I mean he definitely seems to be more understanding
and maybe a little more thoughtful of Of her feelings
and what she's going through in the script as opposed to on the
screen and on screen. It's like like you said, he's
the scientist first but he's just trying to get this this
child on board so that you have more daddy-daughter time to use
a quote from dr. Owens and I mean what he said,
what he tells her is not Really wrong, you know, about, you
know, life is not as simple as categories and categor Rising
everything into monsters and Subarus.
But you definitely can tell on scream that he's just like.
Yeah. It's like just please just go
get in the tank. Okay?
It's not a prison here. Just do what I say.
Okay. You know?
Yeah, and I are not me that's down to Matthew Modine
performance, because I feel like the way he carries it over so
into which I think he does a really good job because I Do by
my feel, like, well, I guess what they're trying to do in the
script to make him more? Maybe add more Dimension to him
and make him more sympathetic or understandable.
I don't really like the decision.
They made their we're either they saw what the actors were
doing and they just went with it or there was a conscious A
choice. I to me, I kind of felt the
actors brought that and they were like, okay, we're just
going to go with this because they've done that before and
it's work. It's always worked out really
well. And I like that.
They trust their actors to be like, okay, this is what we
wrote for you. But this feels, this feels more
right to you as the character. You know, we trust you to kind
of go with that, I think is great.
I love and I also think because because opens when's it more
humanized with those little ad-libs and stuff.
I think the contrast between burner being like the scientist
first completely self-assured versus Owens being like he's
really down everything. They're doing like he's putting
on a brave face here but he he does not have the confidence in
this at all. I like that contrast and as in
terms of who lives and who dies, This universe, I liked that.
The guy like Owens is only the only character I would say at
about the government lab people we've ever really you there.
Ever really get to know where he you feel like he had no soul.
He feel like he does care, he is convicted.
Where's everyone else? Just feels like a scientist or
government agent and they just don't have that, which is one of
the main things, I think makes them so interesting.
And I like that contrast. I like that.
We got that contrast between someone who.
So, so sure, like that. Someone who's doubting it.
And I think ultimately it was the better choice because I
think four burners character. I think the way Matthew Modine
play that makes more sense from his character.
Because from that first for that scene, when we were with him in
hopper in season one, where he's like surprises, like a handshake
deal fixes the whole thing basically, huh.
This guy's a True Believer. This guy's a scientist first and
what else is here for the job. But Brenner truly believe he's
doing the right thing. Yeah, that's why I feel like
that maybe send Is later on when he tries to force them to stay
and he calls him on that and she's like, no, no, we're in
this mess because you couldn't stop searching for Henry and all
these people learn by the, you don't seem to care and you and
he reminds her what he did to her mother and he justifies it,
he doesn't hesitate, he justifies heat believed his 100%
there and only when he's dying due to Sea angling of what,
maybe this wasn't the best idea. But to me, that's as the life
turns out of you, obviously, you, you think back, Right
consider, but up until that point, he's not 100% sure.
And to me, that was mixing believe.
What if we had that doubt? That, that level of dig out to
him or understanding? I feel like maybe somebody less
compelling because it's like one of your doubtless.
Why are you doing it? Like, I believe that in a
character like Owens, you can understand where he's coming
from. I don't think I'd buy it in
broader. I think, by the way did right
choice there, because he's completely selfish or completely
ignore. He's doing To him is all
justifiable and I think that's what makes the character work.
Like he's the villain but he's also like he's so convinced.
He's right that but you see how he sells people on it because
he's so mincing. He's like he's like the used car
salesman. Like whatever the heck you're
going to call this, you know what I mean about 86 comments.
Like that's that's who he is 100% And I believe he was always
That guy like I don't believe that was a younger brother that
was not that guy 100% was always that guy like he was trying to
Swindle kids as like a child like how to pretend he was
always that guy. Oh yeah, totally she's
definitely. Yes definitely.