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It's a ham radio, the Cadillac 
of ham radio. 

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Hello everyone, Welcome back to 
yet another episode of Ham Radio

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as Stranger Things podcast. 
We've got a great episode for 

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you today as usual. 
But first, we have a little 

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housekeeping to take care of, 
and I'm going to turn it over to

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Jasmine to let you know where 
you can find us on social media 

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and where you can listen to the 
podcast. 

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Thanks Ashley. 
You can find us on Instagram at 

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Today is a very special episode 
because Jasmine is back from her

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brief hiatus. 
Yay, Jasmine, welcome back. 

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We missed you. 
Thanks, Ashley. 

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Good to be back. 
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on a trip to the Upside Down. 
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I hear they have a resort down 
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tickets myself. 
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So anyway, on today's episode, 
we will be continuing with our 

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script breakdown series where 
we've been analyzing the script 

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for the Stranger Things for 
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at Hawkins Lab. 
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parts one through 13 yet, we 
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discussing the appendices in the
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script in general. 
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predictions for what we might 
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start off, we should talk about 
to dumb. 

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That's what's on everybody's 
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I'm hopeful, Ashley, honestly, 
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in a while in terms of content. 
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officially advertising that a 
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there. 
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fans out there, if you've been 
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media, their plan after they you
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they announced the rue states 
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They've been pretty regularly 
posting both old and new content

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to their socials in the lead up 
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And I've also noticed that other
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coming out later this year and 
then the next year as well have 

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been posting more content. 
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marketing communications 
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when you lead up to something. 
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strategy. 
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done. 
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hopeful because they've got the 
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feels like we're we're leading 
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On top of that, this is the 
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broadcast live on Netflix. 
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on YouTube and TikTok. 
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going live on the platform. 
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know, Eagle Eye fans will have 
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indicate they've either gotten 
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with a a provider that's able to
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going to be on Netflix itself. 
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out all the stops. 
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Gaga will perform and it's their
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to them last year and there was 
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why they weren't doing it. 
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this to Dom, I think is is one 
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and Squid Game stuff and you 
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it being on the Netflix 
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reasons or what have you, 
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from beginning to end. 
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there's just, it seems like 
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this year and just more to get 
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Netflix the platform. 
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interesting for sure. 
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talk about like some of the 
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relates to Stranger Things? 
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to either get a teaser trailer 
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I'd love a full trailer. 
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there's some behind the scenes 
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teaser. 
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we'll get the full trailer 
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is what their, you know, is 
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we are going to get a full 
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there's going to be another 
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official teaser and we're going 
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full trailer at some point over 
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been leading up to the rumors. 
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Wednesday. 
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so it makes sense they follow 
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strategy and if you look at what
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shows like Squid Game and 
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release dates because it'd be 
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Bridgeton's next year. 
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really available is the fall, 
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So those are some of my hopes. 
I feel like there's the cast I'm

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hoping for. 
Maybe, you know, they're doing 

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trivia with the cast like they 
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else like that. 
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the poster, Caleb, Finn, Gayton,
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confirmed. 
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story, Noah landed in LA 
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I got to be honest, when I first
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I was like, and within someone 
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That's more exciting. 
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David Harbour is listed as 
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That wouldn't surprise me. 
Like they don't want the cat out

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of the bag for everything. 
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the initial people they've 
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the cast kind of showing up kind
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or have been like, you know, 
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you guys and other people come 
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I could see something like that.
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I think probably fears is that 
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I've watched previous years in I
mean, the last time I watched it

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was like a total let down. 
I think it was just like the 

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Linda Hamilton announcements 
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Arnold Schwarzenegger is not 
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like that was it. 
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downs in the past. 
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are it's a let down. 
Like the cast is there, but they

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don't announce anything big. 
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dates or, or something small or 
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a poster would be cool. 
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give us something concrete, but 
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feel like every other big show 
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their marketing, you've looked 
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that. 
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especially to have gotten all 
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main party there to them to come
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with other projects, to just 
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soon or like here's a poster or 
like here's some release release

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dates piece. 
That'd be kind of a waste of 

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their time, you know, like I 
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still, it's kind of a waste. 
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get good stuff. 
I'm hopeful this year for like 

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the first time in in a while. 
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What are your hopes and fears? 
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same same plane there with, with
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I mean, obviously, I mean, I'm 
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Stranger Things five content at 
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I mean, it's been like, it's 
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drought, but yet that doesn't 
mean it's been any less, you 

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know, frustrating, especially 
when you see other shows like, 

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like you brought up Bridgerton, 
like they randomly dropped a 

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little bit of footage from 
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supposed to come out next year. 
And it's like, you know, the 

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Duffer Brothers back in January,
it said we have 650 hours of raw

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footage to comb through and yet 
we can't even get like 10 

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seconds worth. 
I would hope that it really is 

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worth the wait. 
I mean, I feel like it will be, 

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but you know what I'm saying? 
But but yeah, like, really. 

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I mean, I'm not, I don't feel 
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But, you know, maybe like first 
official teaser trailer, not 

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even the full trailer. 
It doesn't even have to be the 

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full trailer. 
Like just give it, give me a 

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nice minute 32nd to two-minute 
long teaser trailer, then the 

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release date and maybe a visual 
poster or confirmation on who 

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Linda Hamilton's going to be 
playing or maybe even another 

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behind the scenes featurette or 
maybe all of the above. 

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I don't, I don't really feel 
like that's at this point too 

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big of an ask, especially I 
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It's going to be on May 31st, 
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And so, you know, at this point 
I feel like we're definitely due

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for all those things. 
And like you said, like being as

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you've got and managed to get 
like 5 confirmed that we know of

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of some of the biggest actors on
the show to come down for this 

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thing. 
I mean, I would hope it's 

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something big, especially since 
there's a live audience there as

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well. 
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my biggest fears is, you know, 
like these, like you said it, it

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being, you know, a total let 
down and then doing something 

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like have these cast members 
just go up there and say 

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something like Stranger things 
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happen, Jasmine, if that were to
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everything I just said about 
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like, wow, they couldn't have 
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fans, you know, if they did 
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I think they're going to give 
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shadow stuff or, or a sneak 
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excited about that. 
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optimistic and so I am being 
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be excited for it and hopeful 
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prove otherwise on Saturday 
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could drop it than to dumb. 
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to dumb, I I just don't other 
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it's not happening until the 
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think of is, you know, one of 
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there's been lots of promotional
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tickets that does the past where
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footage of art and cosplay and 
different things that fans had 

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doing, you know, trivia and 
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disappointing is because they 
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and then we got absolutely 
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time, you know, stuff with the 
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like, well, you do, you should 
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fans to do an event for them to 
sell tickets to get them to like

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do the fan event and also have 
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of that work. 
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getting footage, like there's 
probably people who are going to

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fly in or travel in for this and
to do all of that and to just 

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have it be, I don't know, some 
kind of like photo op with props

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or like, you know, you don't get
something like real, you don't 

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get something presented or meet 
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something special out of it. 

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I feel like people would be 
really angry. 

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I feel like they'd have like a 
riot on their hands. 

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And like you said, like, you 
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legit throwing stuff if they get
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there's nothing concrete. 
There's nothing significant. 

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I feel like people are going to 
lose and start throwing things 

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and like 11 would hope that the 
organizers are smart enough to 

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know that you don't want to piss
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generally a bad idea security 
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I know that would be like 
accidentally popping yourself in

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the throat with a rubber band, 
which I've done before and it's 

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not pleasant. 
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that, I mean, I'm, I'm already 
preparing for that. 

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at the, the outset at 8:00, 
which is when the event starts. 

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I mean, like, definitely it's 
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the, the beginning, like the 
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11, which again, it would not 
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11 to do it because, you know, 
1111. 

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throw out this lame duck 
something, you know, people have

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waited three hours and that's 
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Like, come on. 
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literally gotten like maybe 3 
actual real like content things.

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Like, I mean, yeah, we had all 
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during filming, but in terms of,
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content, it was the behind the 
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year. 
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Things Day, the episode titles. 
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else until like February when 
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of 11, which I made it look like
something that you and I could 

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have created on Canva. 
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like almost four months later, 
it's been crickets. 

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towards the end of January where
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like the little coming soon for 
all of Netflix trailer that they

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did and other shows like you 
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kind of assumption earlier on 
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everything, but when it came out
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and that much stuff they were 
working with. 

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It's like, OK, well, you could 
have given us something, photos,

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production, still something. 
And, and they haven't so past 

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that point. 
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be something good and it would 
be a real waste. 

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I feel like if it's going to be 
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I feel like they'd have one or 
two actors there. 

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I feel like they would not get 
people to fly in. 

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You don't need that many people 
to to announce something like 

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that, you know. 
Yeah, I heard the timing if I 

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remember correctly. 
I feel like there before, I 

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think Nicola Cochlin from 
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through the event and showed 
sneak peeks for Bridgeton season

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3. 
So I would guess that they'd 

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probably do something similar 
were about the midway point. 

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Like they'd start with like the 
new upcoming stuff. 

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including more stuff from other 

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languages, which is cool. 
I remember there's a bunch of 

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like Spanish and other language 
kind of they started with would 

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I know fans who are, you know, 
speak those other English I'm 

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sure do appreciate. 
So I feel like they'll probably 

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start with that and then I know 
about halfway related 

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Bridgerton. 
So they might do that just 

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because it's a little bit 
farther off. 

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probably going to get Wednesday 
and Squid Game and then I feel 

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like Serger thing stuff will 
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they'll end with the Lady Gaga 

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performance or they might flip 
it. 

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They might do like Virgin or 
Squid Game and then and then 

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Wednesday and then they finish 
it off with the performance. 

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So that's kind of what I'm I'm 
picturing based on what they've 

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done in the past. 
Yeah, definitely 7 the the best 

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for last. 
Which is like totally cool as 

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long as they give us something, 
you know, like if we get really 

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good stuff, no one's going to 
care when it was. 

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And also it's going to go up on 
YouTube afterwards. 

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I always do that. 
So it'll be all over TikTok, so 

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and you know, wheels and 
everything else. 

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So that's fine as long as they 
give us something really. 

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If they don't and people TuneIn 
for the whole thing. 

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I remember being so angry and 
disappointed when a couple years

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ago when I watched the whole 
thing and I gave up whole 

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afternoon and it was like, 
that's it. 

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That that's literally it. 
Like what? 

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Yeah, I've, I've been there too.
Like, well, that was a total 

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waste of time. 
Yeah. 

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For sure. 
So fingers crossed everybody, 

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that we that we get good stuff 
and it's not a waste of our 

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time. 
And yeah, we're gonna think good

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thoughts. 
Think good stranger things. 

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Five content thoughts. 
Yes, everyone start manifesting.

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That's what you need to do 
manifest. 

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Get out the get out the candles 
guys and manifest. 

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Even throughout the day on 
Saturday manifest. 

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Think good thoughts and we're 
going to manifest good content 

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into existence. 
All righty. 

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OK, so now we're talking about 
our predictions. 

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Let's get into the appendixes. 
So first we're going to start 

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off with an explanation of what 
an appendix is and provide some 

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context for that, and then we're
going to get into it. 

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So what is an appendix? 
It's when in ATV show or movie 

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script, there's a section at the
end that contains supplementary 

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information like character BIOS,
location details, costume or 

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prop details, music cues or 
sound effects, or alternate 

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dialogue that isn't essential 
for the core script but can be 

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helpful for production or future
reference. 

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So what we're going to be 
talking about is the first few 

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appendixes of the Massacre 
Talkins Lab script and what we 

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can learn from them and how the 
sausage gets made in terms of, 

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you know, putting together a 
movie script or TV show script 

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and all the stuff that has to go
into that. 

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So, Ashley, do you want to talk 
about the anatomy of a script 

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for everyone? 
Absolutely. 

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You know, Jasmine, I've been 
waiting a long time to get into 

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this. 
I mean, I've, I went through my 

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Screenplay for Dummies book and 
get all the basic information 

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for you guys on the script. 
And it's important to note that 

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what I'm going to be talking 
about specifically is for a 

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screenplay script, because there
are actually different types of 

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scripts for different medias 
like audio dramas, gameplay 

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scripts. 
Those are vastly different from 

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a screenplay. 
And so today I'll just be 

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talking mostly about the anatomy
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So it begins with the title 
page. 

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It has the title centered all 
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followed by the writer's name. 
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with this script, Chapter 7 
script, it has the title and 

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then it just has by the Duffer 
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directed by the Duffer Brothers.
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typically see that more with a 
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But I mean, I've seen it done a 
multitude of ways. 

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Some I've seen put written by 
and or they just put by and then

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there's contact information on 
there which is optional and 

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that's usually it'll be on the 
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corner and it has the content 
information of the agent, 

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e-mail, phone number or company 
information. 

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The second thing is the scene 
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actual script itself. 
The scene heading is also called

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a slug line and this indicates 
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place. 
The format is int, which stands 

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for interior or extension, which
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location plus time of day. 
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is 1 I took from the Chapter 7 
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It's exterior, lake bed, dash, 
night, upside down. 

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So that just the slug lines 
really help the cast and the 

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crew, but especially like the 
crew, like the editing crew and 

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everyone set like for the 
directing to know the setting, 

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the time and place. 
But you don't want to go too 

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overboard with the details. 
It just again, just very 

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quickly. 
You just indicate the location 

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day. 
And typically you only use day, 

446
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,800
night, dawn, dusk or continuous 
as the slug lines. 

447
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:40,160
Though I have seen some use 
morning it just again, it just, 

448
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,560
it just varies. 
Just depends on the scale and 

449
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,400
scope of the TV show or the 
film. 

450
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,720
And then we have the action, 
which the action headings, which

451
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,960
describes what is happening in 
the scene and what the audience 

452
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,400
sees and hears. 
The action is always written in 

453
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,840
the present tense, and camera 
directions and shot directions 

454
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,280
are usually avoided unless 
absolutely necessary. 

455
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,000
So in reading the script for 
Chapter 7, I've noticed that the

456
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,120
Duffers do include camera 
directions in their action 

457
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,120
lines. 
So my guess would be they do 

458
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,200
this because they're also like 
directing this episode. 

459
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600
And so they just went ahead and 
included the camera shots and 

460
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,840
directions, though they're very 
minimal. 

461
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,280
I guess like whenever they they 
put it in the script, whenever 

462
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,280
they like a specific like it has
to be done like this during 

463
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,120
filming in the scripts that they
write themselves. 

464
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,880
And so I'd actually would love 
to be able to read a Stranger 

465
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Things script written by another
writer on the Stranger Things 

466
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,560
writers room to see if they do 
the same. 

467
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Here's an example of action, 
which again, I took from the 

468
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,480
Chapter 7 script, we pick up 
right where we left off with the

469
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,880
demo bats fitting on Steve. 
So again, that just tells 

470
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,280
everyone who's going to read 
this script what is happening 

471
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,000
here in this scene. 
And then an example of a camera 

472
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,280
directions last shot again, I 
also took this from Chapter 7 

473
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,840
script. 
They put in all caps clothes on.

474
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,360
They're talking about the dib of
bats. 

475
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:36,920
Nasty little razor sharp mouths 
RIP skin from his bare body like

476
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,720
supernatural vultures. 
It's awful. 

477
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,480
So again, like you have this 
camera direction. 

478
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,000
I've also seen them do like we 
Dolly around. 

479
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,360
So usually again with the camera
shots, they'll typically put 

480
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,920
those in all caps. 
So basically in a script also 

481
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,600
like whatever is important to 
the scene or if it's like a 

482
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,280
noun, you want to put those in 
caps, all caps as well. 

483
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,200
A character name. 
It's always centered and 

484
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,320
capitalized, and it appears 
above the character's name, 

485
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:18,360
which are also known as Rylys 
RURYL i.e. 

486
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,680
S. 
They appear in parentheses under

487
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,960
the character name right before 
the dialogue. 

488
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,520
They're used sparingly to 
indicate tone or action that 

489
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,240
affects delivery. 
I've spotted this a few times in

490
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,760
Chapter 7 script. 
I've mostly seen this done in 

491
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,760
audio drama scripts because 
again, that's all audio. 

492
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,960
The audience is not going to be 
able to see, you know, Someone 

493
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:52,680
Like You know, pouting or or be 
able to to see from like their 

494
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,040
tones. 
So it's typically where I've 

495
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:02,760
seen parentheses used the most, 
but I have I've spotted it used 

496
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,600
in in this Chapter 7 script. 
One example I found was Steve 

497
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,160
parentheses catching breath. 
I think I lost about a, a pound 

498
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200
of flesh. 
But other than that, yeah, never

499
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,200
better. 
It's after he gets bitten by the

500
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,200
demo bats. 
So I guess, you know, they put 

501
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,280
that there, you know, just for, 
you know, when Joe Kerry was 

502
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,920
reading that, so he'd know. 
OK. 

503
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,280
You know, this is how I kind of 
need to go into this scene. 

504
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,080
And then dialogue. 
The lines are spoken by a 

505
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,040
character. 
Obviously they are indented and 

506
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:44,840
formatted beneath the character 
name and then transitions. 

507
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:50,720
Optional and usually write 
aligned examples of this or cut 

508
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,600
to fade in, fade out, dissolve 
to. 

509
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,680
Transitions are typically used 
only when necessary to guide the

510
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360
editor or emphasize A stylistic 
moment. 

511
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,520
Sound and music cues. 
They are more common in audio 

512
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480
drama scripts or shooting 
scripts, but for film and 

513
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,800
television they only use if 
sound is integral or integral. 

514
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,480
For audio drama, sound effects 
and music cues are essential and

515
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,400
often formatted clearly for 
clarity. 

516
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,160
I've rarely ever seen it in the 
Duffer brothers. 

517
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Like the scripts that they've 
written. 

518
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,680
I remember it's I believe it's 
either in the Montauk script or 

519
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,400
the Vanishing Will Buyer script,
but I believe it is the Montauk 

520
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,480
script. 
They do have in there. 

521
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,480
They list specifically or they 
write specifically a song by 

522
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Queen in there. 
But I in in the piggyback 

523
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,680
script. 
They do write in there like 

524
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,040
something like intense sci-fi 
music plays or something like 

525
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,040
that. 
But again, it's very very very 

526
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,960
rare because most of that 
happens It takes place in post 

527
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,640
and then subheaders and 
secondary slug lines are used to

528
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,880
indicate a change of location 
within the same larger scene 

529
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,200
example later or across the 
room. 

530
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Then montages and series of 
shots. 

531
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,800
There's special format to 
indicate multiple short visually

532
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,480
distinct moments. 
They can be written as a list 

533
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,040
under 1 scene heading or 
introduced with begin montage. 

534
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,040
In montage, superimposed text is
used to show on screen text like

535
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,240
dates, times or titles. 
An example this comes from the 

536
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,880
Vanishing of Will Buyers script.
This is right when the episode 

537
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,840
opens and it goes superimposed 
titles November 6th, 1983 

538
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,160
Hawkins, Indiana. 
And so that's how you like you. 

539
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,440
You basically describe what the 
titles are going to like over 

540
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,880
the image you know in the 
background and then back to 

541
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,520
scene is used after a flashback 
montage or dream sequence. 

542
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,800
I've also seen in some scripts 
where the writer will simply 

543
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,080
like they'll just Simply put 
begin flashback in flashback to 

544
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,880
indicate a flashback sequence. 
The same for montages and dream 

545
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,440
sequences. 
I noticed in Chapter 7 script 

546
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,040
the duffers would include it 
either in the slug line or 

547
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,160
action. 
So there's no I guess particular

548
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,680
industry standard or correct way
to do this. 

549
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,720
It seems like. 
I guess it's just whatever is 

550
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:43,160
easy for your your cast and crew
to and yourself to understand 

551
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,760
and then some script formatting 
information. 

552
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Font it's it's always Courier 
New 12 point font that's 

553
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,520
industry standard. 
Your margins should be 1 inch 

554
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,640
all around and 1.5 inches left 
margin for binding page count. 

555
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:13,639
For feature films, it's usually 
around 90 to 120 pages, but for 

556
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:17,440
TV it's usually 22 pages to 60 
pages. 

557
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,320
And then a page is usually 
equals to about a minute of 

558
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,880
screen time. 
And for those of you out there 

559
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:29,080
who maybe would be interested in
writing script and you're 

560
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,840
worried about all of these 
things, putting all this 

561
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:39,480
formatting together, I would 
suggest there's going and 

562
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,960
finding a script scripting 
software. 

563
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,760
Like I like to use Writer's 
Duet, but there's also Final 

564
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,719
Draft and 6 Go. 
That one's good. 

565
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,840
But I say like for especially 
for beginners, Writer's Duet 

566
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,760
does the best. 
And again, it'll put it all in 

567
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,240
there for you. 
So you don't have to worry about

568
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:09,280
making like making sure all the 
formatting and all that's 

569
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,680
correct. 
But yeah, that is that is 

570
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,160
basically the entire anatomy of 
a screenplay. 

571
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,240
Well. 
Thank you, Ashley. 

572
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,080
I feel like if people aren't 
familiar with it, they now have 

573
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,720
like a much better idea of what 
we're what we're talking about. 

574
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,080
And this reminds me of 
something. 

575
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,280
So I had this high school 
English teacher. 

576
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:37,560
I remember this guy and he would
insist that we submit all of our

577
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,040
essays, all our assignments in 
Courier New 12 point and like 

578
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,360
the margins you're talking 
about. 

579
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
And he kept insisting this was 
the standard. 

580
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,160
And when we got to university, 
like we were going to have to do

581
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,960
this. 
And it was ridiculous because it

582
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,000
by that point, it wasn't the 
default on Word anymore. 

583
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,040
So we'd have to like make these 
like special templates to do it.

584
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,840
And none of us could figure out 
what the Frick this guy was 

585
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600
talking about. 
You know, classmates of mine had

586
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,640
siblings in university and 
college and they were like this,

587
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,000
this is not the standard. 
What the heck that guys talking 

588
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,480
about? 
And somebody finally figured it 

589
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,920
out. 
Like several months into grade 

590
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,400
12, they finally figured it out.
They determined that it's the 

591
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,240
standard for scripts. 
And so the conclusion we all 

592
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:24,480
came to was that it's continued 
to be the standard for scripts, 

593
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,840
but at some point it was the 
standard for other types of 

594
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,120
writing too, essays, other 
formats, which is all based off,

595
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,000
you know, a typewriter. 
And then that became digitized. 

596
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,440
And I'm all we can figure is 
that it was the standard for all

597
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,040
assignments for any type of 
written work when he was in 

598
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,240
university. 
And that's, it obviously changed

599
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,400
in the years since. 
Like these days, every time Word

600
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,160
goes to a new update, there's a 
new standard. 

601
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,280
But clearly he was like, not 
interested in learning what the 

602
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,280
new one was. 
And so he just kept repeating 

603
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,280
this. 
And it was always frustrating. 

604
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,120
But once we understood that, 
we're like, oh, the guy's just 

605
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,960
stuck in the past. 
Like, cool. 

606
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,720
Nothing he teaches us is useful,
but OK, at least we understand 

607
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,560
why he's doing it. 
But it was so annoying because 

608
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,480
we'd especially format like our 
Word documents and everything. 

609
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,760
And today, obviously, like you 
said, there's software to help 

610
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560
you and everything, and Word has
a lot more features than it used

611
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,440
to. 
But back then it was kind of 

612
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,920
limited. 
And yeah, it was like, really? 

613
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Yeah, I was like late middle 
school, throughout high school, 

614
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,880
it was all MLA. 
You had to do MLA standard. 

615
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,480
And then when I got to college, 
they did not accept MLA. 

616
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,440
It was Chicago Standard. 
And so I had to. 

617
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,440
I mean, that was rough, 
especially that first year 

618
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,520
having to learn Chicago Standard
format because it's completely 

619
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:50,080
different from MLA, So I totally
understand. 

620
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,960
Yeah. 
And I don't know if this has 

621
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,240
gotten any better, but I 
remember there being like a huge

622
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,280
disconnect. 
And I was in high school where 

623
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,320
they kept insisting that we were
going to need all this stuff. 

624
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,640
And then we, you know, I got to 
university and we were like, 

625
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,080
what the heck? 
We don't use any of it. 

626
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,040
Like the only thing they taught 
me that I used was I think in my

627
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,560
last couple of years, they 
taught us how to do an annotated

628
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,200
bibliography with when in my 
first couple years of 

629
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600
university, we had to use those 
for like assignments. 

630
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,640
That was literally the only 
useful thing I, I realized I've 

631
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,960
been taught because everything 
else was like so out of date, it

632
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,720
was no longer used. 
And we, we were talking to 

633
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,880
various different styles of 
annotation. 

634
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,360
So like that was helpful because
I, I remembered each teacher 

635
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,720
would have like their own thing 
they wanted. 

636
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:33,960
So like that was good. 
But the way they taught us to 

637
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,440
write an essay that was 
considered total crap. 

638
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,920
When you got to university, you 
do that and we're failing you. 

639
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,720
Even the history they taught us,
like the last year they started 

640
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,000
doing revisionist history, but 
prior to that, I was like, oh, 

641
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,160
like none of this is relevant 
anymore, or this isn't the way 

642
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,360
it should be taught, or we were 
missing chunks of information or

643
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,280
just like, oh, this hasn't, this
isn't relevant. 

644
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,240
So yeah, I, I remember that 
feeling. 

645
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:58,880
I don't know if it's more 
aligned now. 

646
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,280
I hope it is. 
But yeah, I definitely remember 

647
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,440
that feeling. 
OK, so we're going to begin with

648
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,120
Appendix 1. 
And so we pick up back at the 

649
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Wheeler House. 
This is the additional dialogue 

650
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,280
and instructions for the scene 
where Lucas, Dustin and Max are 

651
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,920
sitting on the couch and they've
gotten, you know, all back from 

652
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,440
the lake and they've been found 
out. 

653
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,960
And Erica's, you know, glaring 
at them from the corner and 

654
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,680
they're asking where Nancy is. 
And they're being, quote, 

655
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,560
interrogated by the police and 
their parents, who are doing a 

656
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,280
terrible job of it. 
So that is where we pick up. 

657
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,280
We pick up the top line is 
interior Wheeler house living 

658
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,400
room night, and we pick up with 
Erica, whose dialogue here is 

659
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,640
listed as the fire is consuming 
us now it's consuming us. 

660
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,680
Ted, thread them with a little 
jail time. 

661
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,440
See if that loosens their lips. 
I always like appreciated that a

662
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:04,200
moment of committed relief here 
and so being able to read like 

663
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,960
what all the dialogue is. 
Because like you can, whenever 

664
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880
you watch this scene, you can 
hear what's going on in the 

665
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,880
background, but it's, again, 
it's not the focus. 

666
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,720
So you, you don't have much time
to really think about what it is

667
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,960
that they're saying or to be 
able to pick up on it all. 

668
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,320
And so it's really fun to, to 
read. 

669
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,520
I just love their sibling 
dynamic and their sibling 

670
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,800
relationship and and reading it 
this this appendix, it really 

671
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,560
makes me appreciate them even 
more. 

672
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Yeah, I love their. 
Dynamic too, and I think Caleb 

673
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,960
and Priya do such like a a great
job with that. 

674
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,000
And you can particularly in the 
couch scene. 

675
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,280
I really love the dynamic. 
They're like, you can really 

676
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,200
tell. 
And we're watching for the first

677
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,120
time. 
And I was like, oh, you can just

678
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,240
like, you know, Caleb, Gaytan 
and Sadie, you know, all kind of

679
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:00,360
grew up as Broadway babies. 
Like they, you know, did 

680
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Broadway together before they 
were ever cast. 

681
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,400
And so you could just really 
feel that camaraderie and that 

682
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,320
closeness of being friends with 
somebody for that long. 

683
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,560
You it just came through. 
And I thought it was such a 

684
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,720
great use of their talents. 
And I feel like going into the 

685
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:17,640
season, that must have been 
something they planned for was 

686
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,640
let's give them a scene all 
together where they can show 

687
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,680
that off. 
And then you have Erica. 

688
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,360
I mean, like the count is 
literally on fire. 

689
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Like the dynamic we're Justin 
and Lucas are trying to get 

690
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,040
Erica to shut the heck up. 
And that kind of like speaking 

691
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,760
through your teeth, like those 
silent eye conversations when 

692
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,640
the adults aren't looking is so 
much a part of the way siblings 

693
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,600
interact, the way friends 
interact. 

694
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,440
And just it, it's so much apart,
especially when you're young of 

695
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,600
the way that those kind of like 
non verbal conversations you 

696
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680
have with people is so much a 
part of that. 

697
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,680
And I, I just love that scene 
and I love their dynamic and 

698
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920
they have really good like 
chemistry together and it's very

699
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,800
fun. 
And you can, you can tell, 

700
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000
particularly in this scene, like
the, the sequence that comes 

701
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,040
after where Caleb slides his 
handle on the counter has like 

702
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,360
as he's making his point, stuff 
like that, where it's, it's kind

703
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,840
of not in the script, but they, 
they kind of play around with it

704
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,120
And there's like a physicality 
to it too. 

705
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,000
So it's good to get like more 
detail on what the actual lines 

706
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,320
were. 
And the first thing I noticed is

707
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,480
that Erica's lines are slightly 
different and like a lot funnier

708
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,240
in the final version. 
So I'm guessing that Pria 

709
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:30,040
Ferguson did some improv here. 
My guess would be that they ran 

710
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,920
through it like the way it was 
scripted and then like did some 

711
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,760
alternates because I feel like 
her final version is is a lot 

712
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,400
more spunky. 
It's like it's really funny. 

713
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Like the the starting line was 
good, but I feel like they they 

714
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:47,000
improved upon it. 
And what's interesting is that 

715
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,560
Lucas has a line here that was 
cut in the final version where 

716
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,240
there's two competing sets of 
dialogue in the in the original 

717
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:56,680
where there's Sue, Ted, Karen 
and Claudia who are yelling at 

718
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,000
each other because Ted says that
dumb line about threatening them

719
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,840
with jail time and all the other
parents like seriously, Ted? 

720
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,200
And then Karen's trying to, 
like, defuse the situation in 

721
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,240
this. 
In the appendix, it's listed 

722
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:12,960
that their dad, Charles, asks 
Lucas if your sister's right and

723
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,600
is she lying? 
And then Lucas says, dad, no, 

724
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,920
she just wants me in trouble, 
like always. 

725
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,560
She's full of shit. 
And there it goes full of shit. 

726
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,520
Really. 
You take that back right now, 

727
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,760
Lucas, like, take it back and 
goes like, you take it back. 

728
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,560
And they're like, back and 
forth. 

729
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,600
And so these things are supposed
to be competing. 

730
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,040
I'm guessing that they went with
one over the other because I 

731
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,720
feel like they actually had them
doing this. 

732
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,920
You wouldn't have actually been 
able to hear on their party. 

733
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Like it would have just been 
like a cacophony of people 

734
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,760
yelling on screen. 
So I feel like maybe they tried 

735
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,280
this and were like, Oh yeah, you
can't hear anybody. 

736
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,960
We kind of got to pick 1. 
So they picked the one with the 

737
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,720
adults because we'd already had 
banter with the kids already. 

738
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Also, I feel like Lucas is in 
the word shit in front of his 

739
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,400
parents and a bunch of other 
adults. 

740
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Doesn't really make any sense. 
He's like a pretty respectful 

741
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,480
kid and his parents seem pretty 
no nonsense. 

742
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,200
And I mean, you're not going to 
swear in front of your parents, 

743
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,000
especially when you're already 
in trouble. 

744
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Like that doesn't really fit. 
So I feel like when they went to

745
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,640
film this, maybe Caleb said 
something or, you know, they 

746
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,480
just realized you couldn't hear 
both conversations. 

747
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,560
They just picked the one with 
the adults. 

748
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,880
But it's really interesting to 
see, like how it goes from this 

749
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,920
is what we scripted. 
But then like how much changes 

750
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,120
when they go to film the day of.
Like just so much comes out when

751
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,880
you're physically doing it that 
that isn't always obvious when 

752
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,000
you when you script something. 
Yeah, that is interesting. 

753
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,800
I hadn't noticed that before. 
Right, so that is the end of 

754
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,080
hendix #1. 
We then pick up with appendix 

755
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,680
#2. 
In parentheses it says parents 

756
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,000
talking to Daniels. 
So that is as we learn Officer 

757
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480
Daniels. 
Something I didn't realize until

758
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,680
I really watched this scene for 
this episode is that there's 

759
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,800
actually two other officers with
Callahan and Powell at the 

760
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,200
Wheeler house. 
But they're in, they're so far 

761
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,840
into the background that I, you 
know, the, the lighting in the 

762
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,320
forefront is the parents and 
Erica and the deputies. 

763
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,960
And so I didn't realize there 
were other officers even there. 

764
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,800
Like you're not really supposed 
to focus on them. 

765
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,400
So yeah, there's an officer 
named Officer Daniels that 

766
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,680
standing behind them as well as 
another officer, which I 

767
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:18,120
realized on rewatch was kind of 
excessive because like, we have 

768
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,880
4 police officers for three kids
that were found by a lake. 

769
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,760
And parents are asking, you 
know, should we do we need to 

770
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,080
like, hire lawyers? 
And, you know, Officer Andrew 

771
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,560
replies that you're not at that 
stage yet. 

772
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,440
And, you know, as far as we 
know, they did nothing wrong. 

773
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,840
So it seems to have been 
excessive. 

774
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,400
And I guess there's kind of some
mixed messaging in the scene 

775
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,480
where they're trying to get the 
kids to take it seriously. 

776
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,120
Meanwhile, you know, they're 
telling the parents like, oh, 

777
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,240
you don't need to hire a lawyer.
Like it's not that serious. 

778
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:48,840
You know, they didn't do 
anything wrong. 

779
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,000
He's like, well, no wonder the 
kids aren't talking to you. 

780
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Like you're telling them it's 
super serious, but then you're 

781
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,120
telling their parents don't 
worry about it. 

782
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:01,080
You know, they're and also the 
fact that like, like Officer 

783
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Daniels says there, there's no 
evidence of a crime being 

784
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,440
committed. 
You know, it seems excessive to 

785
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,520
them to have that many officers 
when there's no evidence of a of

786
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,520
a crime. 
Yeah, exactly. 

787
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Like you bring up how how many 
officers there are in the 

788
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,880
Wheeler living room and it's 
like not one of them knows what 

789
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,640
they're doing except for maybe 
Officer Daniels, which I 

790
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,640
actually like. 
Officer Daniels, I feel like he 

791
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,000
was the most level headed one. 
This appendix here only made me 

792
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:36,280
further question, you know, why 
isn't Officer Daniels more 

793
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,560
involved in the investigation 
into the murders? 

794
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,880
Because he actually seems to 
have a clue. 

795
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,600
He. 
Has a clue, unlike Callahan and 

796
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:48,040
Powell. 
Like I, I feel like the job kind

797
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,040
of went the way it did just 
because they were hoppers 

798
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,920
deputies rather than who would 
be the best fit because like, Oh

799
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,840
my God, like Kelly and Powell, 
like don't have, they don't have

800
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,600
a God damn clue, man. 
Like they have, they have no 

801
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,040
clue what the heck they're 
doing. 

802
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,160
And that is so freaking obvious.
They keep wondering why no one's

803
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,720
taking them seriously. 
And it's like, because you're a 

804
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:11,040
joke. 
And like it is immediately 

805
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,680
obvious they haven't listened to
a damn thing. 

806
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,040
Hopper told them he was big on 
protocol. 

807
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,720
He Hopper had his issues, but he
knew what he was doing. 

808
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,480
And right off the bat, when they
get to the Munson trailer, they 

809
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,720
immediately break protocol. 
You know, they do it over the 

810
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,400
phone instead of over the 
walkie. 

811
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:33,600
They tip Jason off to the fact 
that Chrissy was buying drugs 

812
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,600
from Eddie. 
Like they just, they break all 

813
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,240
kinds of protocols. 
They let Jason take over the 

814
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,320
town hall meeting. 
And I feel like you could really

815
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,720
feel Hopper's absence because 
you know what you could really 

816
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,280
feel in those things is Hopper 
would never let this happen. 

817
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,400
Like that would last about 30, 
like he'd never make those 

818
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920
mistakes. 
And the minute Jason got up, 

819
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,440
he'd be like, sit the hell down.
And if he didn't sit the hell 

820
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,440
down, he'd be like the deputies 
be like, arrest him right now, 

821
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,200
get him out of here. 
Like all of his goons arrest go 

822
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,440
like no one does that. 
We're just done here. 

823
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,520
And the fact that he, even in 
his not best state, commanded 

824
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,520
more respect, and these guys do,
he's just like, oh, man. 

825
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,400
Yeah, I mean, I feel like Powell
is trying his best, but I feel 

826
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,720
like he's he's just a little bit
in over his head. 

827
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:24,360
I mean, I don't I don't think 
that he was expecting to to have

828
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,520
all this happen and like his 
first year on the job. 

829
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,440
But Callahan definitely is, is 
an idiot. 

830
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,360
But but he's, he's fun to watch 
like he is. 

831
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,440
He's funny. 
But yeah, he's definitely an 

832
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,880
idiot and he has been since 
season 1. 

833
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,120
So there you go. 
Yeah, for sure. 

834
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,560
And it definitely feels like 
he's always kind of been a bit 

835
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,040
of an idiot. 
But I, I feel like, yeah, I feel

836
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,720
like Powell is trying his best, 
you know, but at the same time, 

837
00:48:55,720 --> 00:48:59,000
like he seems overwhelmed. 
But like you said, he didn't 

838
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680
expect this to happen. 
But I mean, the guy clearly 

839
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,200
wasn't paying attention. 
Kids have been getting murdered 

840
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,920
and disappearing in this town 
for like 4 years at that point. 

841
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,240
And I feel like maybe the two of
them didn't really appreciate 

842
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,000
how much Hopper was doing or 
maybe they weren't really aware 

843
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,120
of it, I don't know. 
But he's basically the only 

844
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,560
person keeping that stuff at Bay
and like, handling stuff, like 

845
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,600
kids are still dying, bad things
are still happening. 

846
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,120
But he's he's doing his best to 
keep a handle on things. 

847
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,000
And with him gone, I don't think
they really appreciated how much

848
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,640
the guy was doing. 
And for all their comments about

849
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,680
Joyce being kind of loony and 
all these kids being 

850
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,680
troublemakers behind the scenes,
they're the only ones doing 

851
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,080
something about this stuff. 
So the minute that Joyce and 

852
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,400
Hopper rattle the picture and 
half the Hawkins crew is 

853
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,080
elsewhere, you know, things get 
out of hand, like, really 

854
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,720
quickly because they're not 
there to save the day. 

855
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,520
And then also, if you're not 
prepared to deal with that, 

856
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,920
maybe don't keep, like, maybe 
don't take the job because I 

857
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,160
could have found somebody else, 
like, from another town or 

858
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,240
something. 
I could have filled it like, 

859
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,640
externally. 
Like, if you're not prepared to 

860
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,720
deal with murder and mayhem, I 
don't think, like, there was a 

861
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:11,720
time like, when nothing bad 
happened in Hawkins. 

862
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:15,560
But that time has passed, man. 
Like, like by the time we get 

863
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,480
there, it's been like this has 
been happening for four years 

864
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,840
and even that we know bad things
were happening in the lab. 

865
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,120
The town just wasn't aware of 
it. 

866
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,600
So I don't know, man. 
It's like he signed up for a job

867
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,440
and then was shocked when bad 
things happened after bad things

868
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,680
have been happening for three 
years. 

869
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,400
It's kind of like, well, you 
signed up for it. 

870
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,440
The other thing I want to talk 
about is how, because the focus 

871
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,720
is so much on the forefront, 
parents and, you know, teens in 

872
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,280
in these scenes, I realized 
there's a lot of stuff that like

873
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,960
happened so quickly in the 
background I didn't really 

874
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,680
catch. 
So for example, we find out from

875
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,720
the appendix that the parents 
are talking to Officer Daniels 

876
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,280
as Dustin leaves the bathroom. 
I originally thought they were 

877
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,040
talking to Chief Powell in that 
scene because we only glimpse 

878
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,080
that person from behind. 
And they do have a similar look.

879
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,960
So it wasn't until I was reading
the appendix, I was like, oh, 

880
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,560
yeah, that is a different 
person. 

881
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,240
And then I noticed that the 
officers standing behind them, 

882
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,160
the couch scene and the second 
officer, not Daniels, but the 

883
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,040
other one that's unnamed, is the
one who care and gets a drink. 

884
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,120
Look forward during the scene 
that like, Dustin, Lucas and 

885
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,000
Erica are talking where she's 
like, if you just don't want 

886
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,240
water, you know, I've got all 
this other stuff. 

887
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,480
And he takes a Coke and then 
they walk out of the room. 

888
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,400
There's actually a lot more 
going on in these scenes than 

889
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,600
there appears at first glance 
because of the way things are 

890
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,600
framed. 
And like, that's intentional. 

891
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,600
You're, you're supposed to focus
on the parents and teens and in 

892
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,920
the forefront, not what's going 
on behind them. 

893
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,360
And then we go to appendix #3. 
So this is the dialogue for when

894
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,240
the boys are rewinding and 
explaining things to Erica. 

895
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,280
So you have the full dialogue 
because this is the, the part 

896
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,600
where we, you know, the camera 
moves from where they're talking

897
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,040
in the kitchen to the front door
of the Wheeler house. 

898
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,920
And then we transition into the 
Upside Down. 

899
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,840
So they had them presumably film
the full dialogue and then we 

900
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,760
only use parts of it as they 
make that transition. 

901
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,800
So I think this is worth reading
in full because we get a lot of 

902
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,280
other information here. 
So the appendix is the dialogue 

903
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,240
as such. 
It says the boys rewind for 

904
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:17,080
Erica. 
The hallway continuous. 

905
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,760
Our frustrated boys turn to 
Erica and begin to quote rewind 

906
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,840
Dust in size. 
OK, so you remember the gate 

907
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,840
under the lab? 
Erica sarcastic. 

908
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,520
Oh, no, I blocked that out, 
Dustin. 

909
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,200
OK, but you seem to think it was
made by the commies, which it It

910
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,560
wasn't. 
Erica, There was a giant gun 

911
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,560
made by comedies find blue 
energy into the gate opening it.

912
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,160
Dustin Yes and no. 
That was the gate Eleven opened 

913
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,440
the mother gate 11 reclose it 
two years ago around Halloween. 

914
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,720
And though she succeeded, the 
barrier between our worlds 

915
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,480
remain thin, which allowed the 
comedies to pry it back open 

916
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,280
with their tech. 
Erica, I still don't get what it

917
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,240
has to do with lovers like 
Dustin. 

918
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,600
Yeah, I'm getting there. 
The government was teaching 11 

919
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,440
remote viewing, which is 
basically psychic spying. 

920
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,880
Right. 
We push past them toward the 

921
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,800
front door end of appendix #3. 
So what I think is interesting 

922
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,520
is if you watch the the final 
scene, we only get snippets of 

923
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,600
this conversation as a camera 
pans over to the front door. 

924
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,520
The noise of the pulsing lights 
signifying, you know, something 

925
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,240
with the upside down drowns out 
some of their words. 

926
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,600
We only get parts of it. 
And so we only hear the parts 

927
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,960
about the gate, the Russians, 
and the laser. 

928
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,560
And the part about the laser is 
a bit different. 

929
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,920
Erica says there was a giant 
laser. 

930
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,840
So they obviously changed that 
dialogue, presumably when they 

931
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,280
shot this, I'm guessing so that 
the sound bites that we did get 

932
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,440
made more sense and were a bit 
more impactful. 

933
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,520
So they kept the the first part 
about the gait and they're being

934
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,240
sarcastic, but like, no, I 
blocked that out. 

935
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,120
And then they just added a part 
that's a bit more simple about 

936
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,480
the laser rather than going to a
lot of detail, presumably 

937
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,240
because it was easier to mesh 
with the sound of the pulsing 

938
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,320
lights and the the transition. 
And also I really love that 

939
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,240
transition. 
It's one of my favorites. 

940
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,560
Something I love about Season 4 
is the transitions are like 

941
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,240
really cool and interesting. 
Like could they put a lot of 

942
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,920
thought into the transitions for
this season? 

943
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,280
So that's something that's 
really cool to kind of see how 

944
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,120
they map that out from the 
beginning and what they were 

945
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,240
going for there. 
Yeah, and you know what? 

946
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:31,000
I really like from Appendix 3, 
which is continued through the 

947
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,880
seceding appendices. 
But what Dustin explains here 

948
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:43,560
about when he's beginning to 
explain to Erica about, you 

949
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,760
know, the commies aren't behind 
this, this time. 

950
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,480
I mean, because at this point, 
like they don't know yet that 

951
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Vetna has been behind it, but 
you know, he's they're starting 

952
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:59,680
to put the pieces together. 
And but I like the explanation 

953
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,600
though, like the way Dustin 
begins it by saying, you know, 

954
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,320
no, it's not the commies. 
Yes, the commies were just 

955
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,240
trying to open the gate, but 
really it's because like 11 

956
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:19,560
first, she initially opened it 
open mother gate and because of 

957
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,400
that, it the the barrier between
worlds is been weakened. 

958
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Even though she closed it, you 
know, it's still left. 

959
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:36,800
It's, you know, still weak. 
The the the veil between both 

960
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,240
worlds is still very weak. 
And that's kind of how the 

961
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:46,520
commies we're able to have at 
least some success with, you 

962
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,920
know, having it open just enough
for, you know, the Mind Flayer 

963
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,520
in Season 3. 
And so I just love the way he 

964
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,560
kind of breaks it down for her 
here and in the script. 

965
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,400
And I know we didn't necessarily
hear him say that on screen, but

966
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,880
I did love reading it about it 
in the in the script, the way 

967
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,360
the Duffer Brothers here are 
explaining it. 

968
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:19,480
And so I feel like this appendix
maybe like sets sets the tone 

969
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,840
for that. 
Yeah, for sure. 

970
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,240
And something else I find 
interesting is that the 

971
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,360
paragraph Dustin has ways like 
yes and no. 

972
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,680
I feel like a lot of that 
language, there's a lot more 

973
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,480
formal and I feel like Dustin 
would actually say it. 

974
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,600
I get that he's a bit of a know 
it all, but he describes it. 

975
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,720
He's like around Halloween. 
And though she succeeded, I'm 

976
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,160
like OK, I could even know it 
all but he's still a teenager. 

977
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,720
So I feel like they probably 
simplified some of this because 

978
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,360
it I feel like when they went to
film it, it, it sounded a bit 

979
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,000
too adult in some cases. 
It's not how a teenager talks. 

980
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,920
And they also needed like better
sound bites for the transition. 

981
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,120
Also, something I found 
interesting is that at the end 

982
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,520
of his explanation, Eric is 
like, what does this have to do?

983
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,880
Lovers like? 
And he's like, I'm getting to 

984
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,400
that. 
The government teaching 11 

985
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,120
remote viewing, which is 
basically psychic spying, right?

986
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,440
So presumably what he was going 
to say after that was about how 

987
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,400
Vecna is able like who Vecna is,
what Vecna is, how he's able to 

988
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,040
remote spy on on people like 
through remote viewing, Because 

989
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:22,320
I don't know what else, how else
that would be related to what 

990
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,480
what they were saying because 
the rest of it's about the 

991
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,080
gates. 
Is that your understanding 

992
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,640
Ashley or? 
Yeah, that was my understanding 

993
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,040
as well. 
Like that's what he was leading 

994
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,280
to. 
Because I think like this scene 

995
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:45,960
is supposed to be like, after 
Dustin figures out like what 

996
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,040
Vecna is trying to do with 
opening these gates and stuff 

997
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,960
and how he's doing it, and then 
he kind of puts two and two 

998
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,440
together. 
But yeah, that was kind of what 

999
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,200
I felt like he was headed 
towards. 

1000
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:05,240
Like them, Vecna and 11 both 
having the ability for remote 

1001
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,120
viewing, which is also 
interesting because when you 

1002
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,240
consider like everything else 
we've learned in Season 4 up at 

1003
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,720
this point through Elevens 
flashbacks in the Neenah tank, 

1004
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:23,000
is that like Brenner, outside of
what we see that one scene with 

1005
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:29,200
him in #10 they don't really 
seem to be doing a lot of remote

1006
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,440
viewing as part of their 
training. 

1007
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,960
It seems to be like more of 
being able to move things with 

1008
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,440
their minds and being able to, 
you know, face off in battles 

1009
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,440
against each other. 
So I found that very 

1010
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,520
interesting. 
I mean, yeah, he's he's correct.

1011
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Because we know like from season
1 that Brenner was, that's what 

1012
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,000
he was doing with 11. 
I find it very interesting that 

1013
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,840
he says that, considering that 
he doesn't know where 11 is. 

1014
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,120
He doesn't know that she's 
seeing all these memories and 

1015
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,800
stuff. 
So yeah, I found that part of it

1016
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,880
interesting as well. 
Yeah. 

1017
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,440
And I feel like there's a lot of
parallel journeys in this 

1018
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,680
season. 
I've seen people comment about 

1019
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,560
how Max and Elle kind of have 
these parallel journeys with 

1020
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,400
what they're dealing with and 
how it's really obvious, 

1021
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,360
especially in the way they make 
the transitions between scenes, 

1022
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,840
Like the one the high school I 
really like a lot that, you 

1023
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,280
know, they really could have 
used each other this season, but

1024
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,520
they were separated. 
And I feel like it's a theme 

1025
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,400
throughout, you know, where you 
see in a different scene, you 

1026
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,720
see Justin being frustrated, be 
like, oh, we need Will when when

1027
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,480
Max is trying to draw what she 
saw this scene, too, it's Dustin

1028
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,360
and Lucas are trying to figure 
things out and they're bringing 

1029
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,040
Erica into the loop. 
But simultaneously you have like

1030
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,880
the California gang, we're 
trying to figure things out and 

1031
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,280
it's there's a lot of parallel 
journeys. 

1032
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,120
And but I think part of what 
they're trying to illustrate 

1033
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,160
there is if they were all 
together in one place, they'd be

1034
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,560
able to figure this out real 
quick. 

1035
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:57,920
But because they're all 
separated, all that's part of 

1036
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,560
what's causing them not to get 
to the conclusion they need to 

1037
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,480
right away. 
And I feel like they've done 

1038
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,880
that in other seasons where you 
have the groups that kind of 

1039
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,000
break off into smaller groups or
pairings or team up. 

1040
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,880
So they always come back 
together at the end. 

1041
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,280
And I feel like what made this 
season different is that 

1042
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,360
everybody was so spread out, 
like country, continent. 

1043
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,640
Really, really spread out and I 
was personally looking forward 

1044
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,200
to see that everybody come back 
together at the end and they 

1045
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,080
chose to push that to the 
beginning of season 5. 

1046
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,760
So we didn't really get to, to 
have that instead of ending with

1047
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,880
it, we're starting with it, 
which I'm, I'm looking forward 

1048
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,200
to because I'm, I'm interested 
to see how everybody's going to 

1049
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,520
be describing what's been going 
on, especially since we see 

1050
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,000
Vicky standing next to, to Robin
when the ash starts falling. 

1051
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,400
And if she's with her when they 
show up, they're going to 

1052
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,960
explain that to Vicky, which I 
think just watching them try to 

1053
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,640
explain this to somebody, if 
they show us that on screen is 

1054
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,520
going to be really interesting. 
I also think it's going to be 

1055
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,880
interesting what they say and 
what they don't say because I 

1056
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,360
saw people point out that when 
Nancy's describing her 

1057
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,440
recnatrients, she leaves some 
stuff out. 

1058
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,360
She leaves the stuff out about 
Barb. 

1059
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,960
She doesn't go into detail of 
certain parts, at least on 

1060
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,640
screen anyway. 
And so I'm, I'm very curious to 

1061
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,680
see kind of the at the beginning
of five where the characters try

1062
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,640
to explain to each other like 
what has occurred and what has 

1063
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,440
happened and what they leave in 
and what they leave out. 

1064
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,200
So I'm really interested to see 
how that goes. 

1065
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,920
Yeah, so am I, I think that's 
what I'm, I'm most intrigued 

1066
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,600
about is, is seeing how they get
everyone together and, and 

1067
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,480
sharing the information. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm very interested 

1068
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,480
to see how, how they pull that 
off. 

1069
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:43,520
As am I, we all have high hopes 
for for Season 5, for the final 

1070
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,040
conclusion to the story and how 
they're going to start things 

1071
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,440
off, but also, you know, wrap 
things up. 

1072
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,320
Yes, and it all begins this 
Saturday at the Dom. 

1073
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,200
Maybe. 
Hopefully. 

1074
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,480
Excellent segue my friend. 
It's almost like we've been 

1075
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,280
doing this a while. 
I know. 

1076
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,440
All righty. 
Well, those are all of my 

1077
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,760
thoughts. 
Anything else you can think of? 

1078
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,360
That's all I have for now for 
these appendices. 

1079
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,560
I definitely have a lot more for
the next crop of them. 

1080
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,920
Yeah, that's going to be 
interesting. 

1081
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,360
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1082
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,440
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01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,760
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1085
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,800
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