1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:03,900 I'm Ashley, and I'm Jasmine. And you're tuned into ham, radio 2 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:16,200 stranger things podcast. It's the Cadillac and welcome 3 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,700 back. Everyone to yet another episode 4 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:21,200 of ham radio, trying to the his podcast. 5 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:27,300 On today's episode, we will be continuing our journey into the 6 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:32,299 script for chapter for season 4. Chapter 7, the massacre Hopkins, 7 00:00:32,299 --> 00:00:38,200 lab, our script analysis series. And today, part 3, we will be 8 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:43,300 discussing elevens Journey back to that fateful day, in 9 00:00:43,300 --> 00:00:48,500 September of 1979, which forever changed, only her life, or the 10 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:50,300 lab. But, you know, you can make the 11 00:00:50,300 --> 00:00:53,100 argument Hawkins and, and everything that we've 12 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:56,600 experienced thus far will be talking about the upside down 13 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,600 being stuck in 1983. And of course, We talking about 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,600 some discrepancies between the script and the on-screen product 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,600 Parts, 1 and 2 of this series are currently available wherever 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,200 you listen to your favorite podcast. 17 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,200 So if you want to go ahead and listen to those before you 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,400 listen to part three. So you can be all caught up more 19 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,700 than welcome to do that. 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We've logged totally to go stuff 37 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:29,800 coming up so please follow us on our social keep up with the 38 00:02:29,900 --> 00:02:33,300 Podcast and all of our new content and thank you Jasmine. 39 00:02:33,300 --> 00:02:37,300 Yes, so the Discord, we, we just got that up running about a 40 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:40,200 month ago now. Well, it's about time of this 41 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,300 recording and we've had some really good responses. 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,400 We've, there's, you know, some friends of the podcast and jump 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,000 down there to to share. And if especially if you if you 44 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,400 guys like the music and finger things and you want to talk 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,800 about that like that's been Big big discussion on the Discord as 46 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,300 light, there's no problem about that or if you just want to come 47 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:11,400 on the Discord and you know just you talk about really whatever. 48 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,800 I mean your family your friends. But yeah you know just come even 49 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,100 if you are a beiler fan you can still come and join us on the 50 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:22,500 Discord. All we ask is that you do not 51 00:03:22,500 --> 00:03:27,000 spam the Discord with beiler discussion, it's okay. 52 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,300 If you drop a line every now and get, but don't Data. 53 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Don't hit it up all the time. If you do that, we'll probably 54 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,400 call vecna on you because we can't, we can't allow a lot of 55 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,500 that. But moving on to the topic at 56 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:48,600 hand today, which is, as I just mentioned earlier, the, our 57 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,400 part, three of our script breakdown. 58 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:54,300 But before we get really get into that Jasmine. 59 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:58,000 And I've decided for this series, in particular, to 60 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:06,600 include an Question for each break down that we do and it 61 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,200 kind of revolves around something in the in the pages of 62 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,100 the script that we will be discussing. 63 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,000 And then what we're going to do is we're just going to pose the 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,600 question at the beginning of the discussion and then once we get 65 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,900 done discussing, you know, the pages of the script we have to 66 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:29,600 cover, then we will attempt our give our best attempt. 67 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:34,900 To answer the essential question and we'll probably try to keep 68 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:38,900 up, put it in the description of the episode so that you guys can 69 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:43,400 send us your thoughts on the EQ as well. 70 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:50,000 So for part three is essential question, was Dustin's, 71 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,400 hypothesis regarding the vecna / mind, flayer connection, correct 72 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,800 or incorrect. So hold on to that thought. 73 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:04,900 Then try your best as we go along to think of, you know, 74 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:08,500 what your answer is? Maybe and Jasmine and I will do 75 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:12,000 the same. So wait to the you know, the end 76 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,500 of the episode today here - Jasmine's thoughts. 77 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:26,100 Yeah, well the question so we begin the script right down with 78 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:36,400 11 is is now going back. To September 8 1979 the day of 79 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,600 the massacre at all because lat Brenner's, finally gotten her to 80 00:05:41,300 --> 00:05:47,200 calm down and to do this. And so we open with we're back 81 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:54,500 in time through the Nita tank. And this is after 11 gets 82 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:59,600 bullied and kind of pushed around and knocked unconscious. 83 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:08,000 The older lab kids and she's in the infirmary and it's really 84 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,700 funny because dr. Brenner himself, probably not an 85 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:21,600 MD is examining her and is you know, just one need a little 86 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:25,800 little flash on her eyes to make sure your eyes are dilated and 87 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,600 all that good stuff. And he asks, her any more 88 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,400 headaches? Nausea this morning. 89 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,200 She states her head. No, they asked her about her 90 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,500 memory. Can you remember happen? 91 00:06:38,500 --> 00:06:42,500 And she still says no and then he says, perhaps someone else to 92 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,100 fill in the gaps for you or us. Yes. 93 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:52,500 And so they walk off into the training room and then dr. 94 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:59,400 Brenner, as in the script, as in as it was on screen, He has all 95 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,600 the kids lined up and there's the orderlies there including 96 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,900 the friendly orderi orderly who we don't yet know much about 97 00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:12,800 him. You know he's standing there and 98 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:18,600 this is when Brenner asks loving to step forward and then you 99 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,100 know, Brenner's bring up what happened and he's like she 100 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:30,300 claims to have no memory of this but I know someone in this room 101 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,500 you know did it and they're all just saying there, they don't 102 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:37,400 want to say anything because they're scared and and all this 103 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,000 is like, verbatim. All the dialogue is verbatim in 104 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:46,100 the script as it is in the actual scene itself. 105 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Then we get to a part where one of the numbers who we know is 106 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,700 number two, he He is not called number two in the script. 107 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:02,300 He is called a for, in the script. 108 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:05,900 So, Jasmine, I'm going to talk a little bit about that real 109 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:07,600 quick. Got to talk about. 110 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,900 You know why we think? Maybe they changed his name from 111 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,600 number four to number two. Jasmine would you like to begin? 112 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,900 Sure. Yeah that was something that I I 113 00:08:18,900 --> 00:08:21,600 noticed you as being one of the biggest changes like you're 114 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,000 right that most esteemed. The is very similar to the 115 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,100 script and I think that has to do with something I know. 116 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:30,800 It's what we've been, you know, comparing the script to final 117 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,900 product is things about the Lord, or the lab are almost 118 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:37,500 identical. Where's the biggest changes? 119 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:42,000 We see is dialogue in the Hawkins or go Russia. 120 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,700 Plot in terms of interpersonal stuff with the characters which 121 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:48,300 makes sense because we know that they have like a set plan in a 122 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:52,700 set Bible about the lore would include staff about the lab. 123 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:55,300 So to be a makes sense that that's going to be verbatim 124 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:59,300 because that that has to be particular in order to get to a 125 00:08:59,308 --> 00:09:02,700 certain point where's everything else can change its more 126 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,700 chemistry the actors or someone has a good idea or they play 127 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:06,900 they're like well that doesn't sound very good. 128 00:09:06,900 --> 00:09:10,700 Let's try it again. It's more natural that dialogue 129 00:09:10,700 --> 00:09:15,500 versus the lab which is not natural on purpose. 130 00:09:16,100 --> 00:09:20,000 Because yeah, I noticed that too and I'm I'm curious as to what 131 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:26,700 the fact that it was the number of the the kid responsible got 132 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:27,700 change. Aged. 133 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:31,800 Yeah. Like it's Yeah, it's for 134 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,000 descriptive to in the final product. 135 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,200 I don't know if that means anything to me, like, I don't 136 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,700 know if it means, you know that there's something to do with the 137 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:45,300 number 4 because it's probably know, both two and four died in 138 00:09:45,300 --> 00:09:48,500 the massacre. So I don't know if that was 139 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:53,600 significant or I guess I could significant, but I'm not sure 140 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,900 what the significance of it is. Do you know what I mean? 141 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:57,500 What do you, what are your thoughts on that? 142 00:09:57,900 --> 00:09:59,800 Yeah, I agree. I don't really know. 143 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,800 I mean this is gonna sound kinda bad but it's not. 144 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,900 Why is if it really matters now because they both lost their 145 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:13,100 lives tragically but I kind of thought maybe when I first read 146 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:14,900 the script and saw that I thought, well, maybe they were 147 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:18,500 trying to you know, connect it as as the fourth season and 148 00:10:18,500 --> 00:10:22,400 there were split looking for different you know, there's of 149 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:31,200 the world so to speak nautical. But regardless of if he's Two or 150 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,100 four. I find it very interesting that 151 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:42,500 especially considering that he is number two in the show is how 152 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:47,000 much of an age Gap. There is between him. 153 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,700 And number one, you know, like like number one is at least at 154 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:54,700 least 10 years older than this kid. 155 00:10:54,700 --> 00:10:58,000 Like, I think it's 20 or 30 by that point, like he. 156 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,000 Yeah, yeah. Which I didn't know that but 157 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,800 you're right. The fact that he's a wonder if 158 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,000 that's what they were trying to show us. 159 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,300 Like the fact that it took Brunner like a decade or more to 160 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,500 take what Henry had and create the program. 161 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,700 Yeah, like maybe they were trying to show that, it took 162 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:21,700 them like it took him and his like people like 10 or 15 or 20 163 00:11:21,700 --> 00:11:26,800 years to get to a point where You know, where they there's 164 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,800 number two. It also makes me wonder if I 165 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,500 guess obviously a mask the massacre. 166 00:11:31,500 --> 00:11:34,200 But if there were other kids, they tried an experiment on the 167 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,900 died. You know what I mean? 168 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:39,400 There were other numbers before that to be came to like I don't 169 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,300 believe they're only using a number once. 170 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:43,000 Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like they probably 171 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,500 start over a bunch of times or they have place that kid, and we 172 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:52,000 also don't know the exact timeline of when Terry was 173 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,300 there. Like, obviously she got me 174 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:58,300 there, she'll become Love it and because she's kidnapped but like 175 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,200 was, you know, was you know, he built the program around Henry 176 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,300 did a to start airing before that and then they build the 177 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:10,500 program around Henry or like where they kept trying to 178 00:12:10,508 --> 00:12:12,000 perfect? What was transferring, what 179 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,900 Henry had and then character was going on at the same time. 180 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:17,100 They're both part of the same program. 181 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,300 You know was a fact that there's such an age Gap? 182 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:22,100 Is that they had you know people who are willing participants 183 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:23,800 like Terry. Went there voluntarily. 184 00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:25,700 You know what I mean? Like is that That part of the 185 00:12:25,700 --> 00:12:28,300 transition, is it okay? Well, it took them 10 years to 186 00:12:28,300 --> 00:12:32,700 get to this point like all and also for what we understand like 187 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:35,600 Terry throw a wrench into their plans, every other kid they were 188 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,900 able to abduct either. Their family was you know had 189 00:12:38,900 --> 00:12:41,600 died or they didn't fight the same way. 190 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:47,200 Terry, did they make a real point of that in season one of 191 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,300 the thing that really sets Terry and Jordan top or a part is 192 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:54,900 they're willing to fight they're willing to push for they don't 193 00:12:54,900 --> 00:12:55,800 care. They look insane. 194 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,400 And that was not the case with the other families. 195 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,100 Either they didn't push as hard or they put deceased so I wonder 196 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:07,600 if that's what they're trying to show us that like or maybe 197 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,300 they're trying to give themselves more leaving with the 198 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:13,400 timeline there, you know I mean that that kid is to instead of 4 199 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,400 then they're saying okay well this was there's an age Gap here 200 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,500 and maybe that play into do when we get into the final 201 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:22,900 understanding of, what the more what that timeline is. 202 00:13:22,900 --> 00:13:27,900 But yeah, I make Us to me that there would be a big gap there. 203 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:32,800 Because it took, I mean, we see how powerful vecna is in season 204 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,200 4, how powerful he was, when he was a child. 205 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:42,100 But the act of transferring that the would take a while. 206 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,400 So I'm curious, if that means, we're going to get more about 207 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,100 that timeline or more about those intervening years. 208 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:54,700 The finalists, you think? We've got to you would think 209 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:59,300 right? Like there's just so much gaps. 210 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,000 There's so many gaps there and and to me they I mean, you're 211 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,400 going to need to fill in those when you were you You know, have 212 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,000 the vinyl season. Not just because it's the final 213 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,600 season that's like your last opportunity because, you know, 214 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:26,100 vecna this guy in his story is now becoming so big and just so 215 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:32,900 important to the narrative. Like you can't just, you know, 216 00:14:32,900 --> 00:14:36,200 we can't just leave it at just 11's, you know, side of things. 217 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,400 We, I feel like we need to see his side of things as well. 218 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,200 What happened to? To him during those years prior 219 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:49,800 to this event because there's no doubt that that was you know, 220 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,200 that was a big chunk of his life because, you know he Brenner 221 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,700 took him when he was probably what like 12 or 13. 222 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:05,400 And now he's an adult By 1979. I hope we, you know, we get some 223 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:14,300 answers on that and to that there is An action sequence in 224 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:18,900 this script that comes before this, where we introduced to 225 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:26,400 number 41, number two, about the orderly and it says, quote as 226 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,600 Brenner's speaks L clocks the friendly orderly standing nearby 227 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:35,700 something seems off about him. He averts his gaze from her as 228 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:38,800 Brenner continues to dress his address, his quote, unquote, 229 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,000 children in quote and Yeah. Yeah that is definitely what 230 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,600 happens on screen and every time I watch that scene, he looks 231 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,700 like. I mean his eyes like the first 232 00:15:51,700 --> 00:15:56,200 time I watched it. I was like, I feel like this man 233 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:05,800 is back because I saw his eyes really, it's like two seconds 234 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,200 and then it jumps back to Brenner. 235 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,300 Across more as like feet, like fear, because we'd seen the 236 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:20,500 scene where he'd like, burner had shocked him, right? 237 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:24,400 And so, to me, it was more like, oh, he's like, he's fearful like 238 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,100 he's not, he's not doing it because he's fearful that's more 239 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,800 when it came across to me. But I think I think that speaks 240 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,000 to just what a great actor Jamie Campbell Bower is that he walks 241 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,700 that line so well, right up into the reveal where even if you 242 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:41,000 clock the some internal clock that he was back now. 243 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:45,300 Now, early on, it's still a huge twist even if you clocked part 244 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:47,700 of it, because it's so good when you kind of walk that time where 245 00:16:47,700 --> 00:16:52,100 you're like, hey Tina makes you doubt yourself. 246 00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:58,500 Yeah. Yeah, it's very compelling, it 247 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:02,500 really is because you know, knowing what we know now. 248 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,300 Whenever I do re watches I always I always say, I mean he's 249 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:12,300 about to go off, like I just you know, knowing now like he's 250 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:16,900 about to go off and it still it does make me wonder still why 251 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:22,000 you know why he killed all those children? 252 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,300 I mean, you know, knowing what he wanted to do. 253 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:32,500 Like you can use them, they all have powers just like you and 254 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:36,300 it's weird that like, he wants hell to join him, but he kills 255 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:39,100 everybody out, he's coming brother in that regard. 256 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,300 Like what am I said? Look, I hope your granite were 257 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:44,200 finally going to get an explanation on that because I 258 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,200 think the big question is the kind of ghost. 259 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,000 The series was like, OK. What is the obsession with L? 260 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,600 Because like Brenner put and helicopters with, I would call 261 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,500 it gets all the way to Chicago and that Place the implied 262 00:17:56,500 --> 00:18:01,200 exhalation to me anyway, is that, you know, 11 is burners 263 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,600 actual biological Challenger. He's more, you know, kind of 264 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,600 obsessed with her, her favors her and I think like, you were 265 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,100 mentioning earlier, you know, I think that's kind of to me. 266 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:16,400 That's the implication as to why he's kind of favors here in the 267 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,000 other kids are jealous because they don't get it. 268 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,600 They're like what's so special about this girl? 269 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,500 She's no better than the rest of us or she's slower. 270 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:26,000 And some things to me that That's part of it. 271 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,300 But also I feel like, maybe he knew that like, the power she 272 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:33,200 had already me, like, he was, but not everything Henry said 273 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,600 was wrong. Don't mean like, what? 274 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,600 That's what makes it so compelling, is that? 275 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:43,300 So everybody says 2L before, it's revealed that he's back now 276 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,700 is That, you know, what are you saying? 277 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:48,700 Is correct? Like he's wrong but so is 278 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:52,500 brighter. And so like that's something I 279 00:18:52,508 --> 00:18:55,000 really hope they explore in the pharmacies and I think they will 280 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,600 that, you know, what is it about L because you're white, like, 281 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,300 why would you like the future kills? 282 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:04,300 He does seem to be like it is minor Mercy killings, right? 283 00:19:04,300 --> 00:19:08,000 He's these people are suffering. I'm relieving them of their 284 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,500 suffering. I'm going to make a new world, 285 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,000 you know, angel of death, but you're right. 286 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,300 Why kill a bunch of kids are super A Powers, especially when, 287 00:19:15,300 --> 00:19:17,600 you know, about those little shits are evil, and you can 288 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,900 like, you know, like you can use that, right? 289 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:24,400 Although part of me, kind of Wonder, does he wanted L? 290 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Stay in the Supply Closet. It was really mad when he did 291 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,100 come out and part of it was. Okay. 292 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:31,100 I'm gonna he's better. I can't control them. 293 00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:34,100 I can't raise them. I can't like I can't do this 294 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:36,900 because he'd worked with them enough but L was different. 295 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,600 He saw someone he could manipulate a raised kind of way 296 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,600 better had. And I think what surprised This 297 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,000 is him and also surprised, brother. 298 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,900 I think they both have the same problem because that's the 299 00:19:48,900 --> 00:19:50,200 person. Like there were two practically 300 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,400 would have raised him. After that point raised him and 301 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,900 quote to there, they both have this thing where they don't 302 00:19:55,900 --> 00:19:58,100 expect. I think they expect, they'll 303 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:00,500 develop more pliable in terms of being able to control her than 304 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:05,300 she actually is. And when push comes to shove, he 305 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:10,600 has this innate sense of right and wrong, that they don't have. 306 00:20:11,300 --> 00:20:14,700 And psychologically, something I come back to his because we know 307 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:17,300 that her mother, like we see those memories of her mother 308 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,800 being there for her, and loving her, and wanting her from birth 309 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:26,700 and coming to rescue her. Is that like the been studies on 310 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:29,600 this? Now, that basically, the kind of 311 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,600 love and affection you received at a very young age and when you 312 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:38,000 are A baby that continues to, you know, resonate and become 313 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,400 part of you as you grow older. I mean of course you can 314 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,300 overcome those things but the gravity comes from that loving 315 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:48,400 base, I think definitely has an impact and I think that's 316 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,700 something that makes her a great character. 317 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:52,700 Is you see that? Like that's that's what 318 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:56,000 surprises, the people around, who think they can control her 319 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,300 and I think that's why she flourishes so greatly when she 320 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:04,200 brought into, you know, protection and the buyers dagger 321 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,800 and she's surrounded by your friends and people who 322 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,900 understand how powerful she is, who share that sense of right 323 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:13,500 and wrong with her. So I yeah, I think that's 324 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,200 interesting and I hope we kind of get into that because yeah, 325 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,200 why kill a bunch of kids that have superpowers? 326 00:21:17,300 --> 00:21:18,700 If you're going to take over the world, what a guy? 327 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:21,900 I want to know his his reasoning there. 328 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:29,300 No, I, I think I think if, and when they explain the nature of 329 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:35,000 their powers next season and kind of where they originated 330 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,300 and what exactly how exactly does they're able to do what 331 00:21:39,300 --> 00:21:43,600 they are able to do. I think could definitely explain 332 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:47,500 a lot because, you know, it's like dr. 333 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:52,200 Brenner kind of touched on this season is it's a lot. 334 00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:59,900 Mental in terms of her abilities but it's one part of the show. 335 00:21:59,900 --> 00:22:03,500 I still don't understand and I probably never will, but that's 336 00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:08,800 okay. So, yeah, so the rest of that 337 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,800 scene in The Script is like, basically the same as on-screen 338 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:22,500 Brenner shocks, this child who begs for mercy and it's Have 339 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:26,800 seen my even even though you know like this kid is a jerk and 340 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,200 did really awful stuff to 11 and threatened to kill her. 341 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,200 It's really it really is tough to watch because it's a child 342 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:39,200 and enforcing those tiny kids as well to to watch this. 343 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,600 Aswell ones are so scared. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. 344 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,900 It's definitely. It's definitely tough tough to 345 00:22:45,900 --> 00:22:49,900 watch for sure. Watch and like you're worried 346 00:22:49,900 --> 00:22:52,000 that I feel like most of the scene is verbatim. 347 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,900 One thing I did notice is we comment on this last time but 348 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:59,500 Brenner is much Kinder in the script that he is with 11. 349 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,200 Then he is in the final product like something I do versus when 350 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,500 they're in the infirmary, in the script, he's much Kinder and he 351 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:12,700 said, you know, keep your eyes open but in the final version he 352 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:17,300 says, try not to Blink and it's a much more detached performance 353 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:21,200 and I think I think retina has to go to Matthew Modine on that 354 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,200 one which I think. I think makes perfect Landing 355 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,700 said that they were trying to because this is his final Arc, 356 00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:30,400 as far as we know, right? So what I understood that, our 357 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 fathers are trying to kind of human. 358 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,000 I'm a bit as trying to get back. More in is kind of not as back 359 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000 for a bit more in his, our guests. 360 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,900 But I ultimately, I think Matthew Modine made the right 361 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:48,400 choice there with his portrayal because I think because you have 362 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,600 Owens kaivalya as the counterbalance. 363 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,100 So, Owens does very much A humanized capital kind of like 364 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:01,100 oh my God, what has he done? In contrast you a better who is 365 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,600 you know cold and calculating to The Bitter End and I think 366 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,300 because of that that feels like a very collaborative is and I 367 00:24:07,308 --> 00:24:09,200 don't think I can just randomly rolled up as sad. 368 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,900 Was like I'm doing it this way. That seems to me like a very 369 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:14,100 collaborative decision where he's like he was playing it that 370 00:24:14,100 --> 00:24:17,300 way so I can can I try this and the Decker brothers and all the 371 00:24:17,308 --> 00:24:19,700 accident said that, you know, it's offical a process and 372 00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:22,300 always very open to that which I think is great. 373 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:26,200 And I think what's particularly great about that is in his home 374 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,500 moments because Did it performance and because in his 375 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:32,300 mind, you can tell he's done, nothing, wrong? 376 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:36,800 Right up to the end, even that moment when l call on the fact 377 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,200 of what he did to her mother, and he completely justifies it 378 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,000 and tries to drug her. So in those last moments where 379 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,700 he lays down, he want else forgiveness and she doesn't give 380 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:49,700 it to him. That is so much more satisfying. 381 00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:54,700 I think is a viewer because you know, this is a guy who you 382 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,700 know, no mercy. Welcome back to the very end. 383 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,600 End. And now he wants to live his 384 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:05,200 forgiveness and you're like, yeah, like No, like, don't give 385 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,300 it to him and I saw clone combat that. 386 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,500 It's so rare to Media to see women or girls have scenes or 387 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:16,900 arcs where it's acknowledge that, you know, you're 388 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,600 acknowledging or forgiving for what happened. 389 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:22,900 But not, that doesn't make it okay. 390 00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:26,300 Like that sense of like I can forgive, you forgive myself 391 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,500 piece, but that doesn't make what you did okay? 392 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,600 Or no, I'm not giving you that forgiveness because what you did 393 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,900 was not okay. That is so rare. 394 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,500 Love that 11 got to have that moment. 395 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:43,700 She really felt learned in part because of the performance, I 396 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:47,400 also noticed that in the scripture says a about. 397 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,900 I don't, we try that sentence in the Scripture. 398 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:55,700 It says, there's like noticeable bruising on L, but in this scene 399 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:59,300 there, isn't it sound like they've maybe jump forward more 400 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:00,400 time. Back in the scripture supposed 401 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,400 to be like, right after it happened versus is a little 402 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,600 while later or maybe. They just tried it on Millie 403 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,100 Bobby Brown and like, others doesn't look great on screen. 404 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:12,700 But I also noticed that, like, there's a bunch of stuff in the 405 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:16,300 script about the other numbers. The other kids shooting a 406 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:19,300 life-threatening glances, but in the actual scene, we see, 407 00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:22,900 everyone's just kind of looking straight ahead, which I feel 408 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,700 like made more sense because then it's like it makes the 409 00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:30,100 whole shock of the thing, more impactful. 410 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:31,600 Like if they're shooting threatening Lance's. 411 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,900 It's like, all right. Well you had that coming like 412 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:37,100 you you very obviously did it and now you're looking at her in 413 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:39,800 a threatening manner because I Do that. 414 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,600 If it makes it all the more shocking because like, they 415 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,200 think, oh, brother has no idea. And, as we learned in season 4, 416 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,500 he's got cameras in every room. He's got hidden cameras. 417 00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,700 He's got all the stuff especially, because in the 418 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,200 script Brennan, says to call of the kid right away. 419 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,600 But in the script it's implied and I really loved it. 420 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,100 And storytelling when they get something spelling out, 421 00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,600 something in the script, but then you imply it on screen, I 422 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,700 think that, you know, show instead of tell is, you know, is 423 00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,100 still in Important. And I think that's also what the 424 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,700 order of the scene is slightly changed, like the the scene 425 00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,600 where they're all standing in the room with the colouring, and 426 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,500 I think that's why they did it. So that you, you get that 427 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:23,100 implied and it builds that tension. 428 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:25,400 What words do you spell the whole thing out that tension 429 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,600 doesn't build in the same way, so I thought that was really 430 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:36,300 interesting. Yeah, so did I, it was again, 431 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:39,700 it's a very tough scene to watch. 432 00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:42,300 And sometimes I had sometimes, I'll just skip it because I 433 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:48,500 can't, I can't watch it because, you know, I know I've, I've 434 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:54,300 heard on some podcasts talking about Brenner this season in him 435 00:27:54,300 --> 00:28:00,300 in the flashbacks of, you know, earlier on, you know, he seemed 436 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:06,300 like they made him seem Like a good man who, you know, probably 437 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:12,400 misunderstood, who after this event became bad, but he was 438 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,800 good before. And this scene right here, just 439 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:20,000 goes to show, you know, he's what he is doing is bad. 440 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:22,900 I mean, I do and he's never been that guy. 441 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,500 I don't wanna hear that. I'm like, what are we watching 442 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:29,500 the same because from day one from season one, his character 443 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:31,500 that is consistent all the way through. 444 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:35,900 Through like, oh yeah. And and the scene that gets 445 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:42,900 referenced in that is in episode one of season 4, when Brenner is 446 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:47,000 with 10, like this is in the first 10 minutes of the episode 447 00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,300 and, you know, he's laughing and stuff and we don't, you know, 448 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,400 we're not really used to seeing Brenner like that. 449 00:28:53,400 --> 00:29:00,300 And I mean, you know, I I do think that very, very deep down 450 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:05,800 in his own twisted. This way, you know, Brenner, you 451 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:12,400 know, Carrie had a had some sort of affection for these children. 452 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:20,000 I'm not going to say that that Martin burner hates children and 453 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:25,300 so I will say it was kind of kind of nice to see a little bit 454 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:29,200 of, you know, a little bit of a happy moment from Brenner. 455 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:35,200 But but still I mean, The fact that this is still this child is 456 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,600 in the lab, doing these experiments and stuff and 457 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,800 everything that Brenner's doing, he's still doing, you know, 458 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:50,200 immoral things. And we can't you know we can't 459 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,100 discount that now. I do think that what happened 460 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,900 After this event, I do think that it really changed for are 461 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,500 from from bad to worse. You know, I mean, and that's 462 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:10,000 kind of how we got in the burner of today and even when we see 463 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,800 him in season 4 in the in the present day you kind of start to 464 00:30:14,808 --> 00:30:21,400 think, I mean after season one, you know, did he, did he change 465 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,200 any? You know, what's his life been 466 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:30,800 like and And when we get to chapter 8 and he definitely, you 467 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,500 know, goes off the rails and goes on hinge and slightly well, 468 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:40,600 now he's still the same Martin. Brenner has he always was and he 469 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:44,300 he's never going to let 11 just leave. 470 00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:49,100 Even if he took her back to Hawkins, they she did the deed, 471 00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,500 you know, he was going to take her back. 472 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,000 I mean, that there's no I probably would have chipped her 473 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,100 as well like he did Henry. I mean it's almost no way what 474 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,300 he was trying to. I was like, yeah. 475 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,600 Yeah, I think you're right. I think he was the massacre 476 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:18,100 hardened him so that any kind of like softness or affection, you 477 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:22,200 could should have went away. You don't see any of that post 478 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,600 Massacre, except there is the odd moment I think in season 4. 479 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,900 But as we learned at the like I said and that's what I ate that. 480 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,800 We learn that. That is all been an act. 481 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,800 He's not only putting on 4L, but he's putting it on for Owens and 482 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,400 everyone else in the lab it is. Act to get what he wants and 483 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,000 Owens doesn't realize he's being played. 484 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Like he knows that like he knows what his unhinged. 485 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,300 Like, we see him comment on this so he's like he knows he's 486 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:53,300 unhinged, he knows the guys, probably playing him to Summits 487 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:56,200 and I'm sure but he's, the guy said retarded. 488 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,700 He's so good at getting people to believe it. 489 00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:02,000 He's so good at it and he convinces owns, the only way, 490 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,100 and I'm sure it won't look into other options. 491 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:07,700 And but this is the only thing they can find and like you Can 492 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:10,200 you see that have a literal? He starts to realize like as 493 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,200 there at the lab and hell isn't getting better like, you know, a 494 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,000 time he's like he starts to look at better and be like, have I 495 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,800 just completely destroyed like this poor kids life and her 496 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,900 family in danger again and compromise my principles my 497 00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:29,200 balls. My family safety for absolutely 498 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,100 nothing like is he just doing this just screw with her like if 499 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:37,400 I've been completely played here and you really see that so like 500 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:42,700 No, I heard he went from bad for whoever to death part of him and 501 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,900 yeah, he was never with the whole who ruined his love me. 502 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,500 You'll be good. This wouldn't be present. 503 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:51,900 And I was like, I wouldn't you met you made of a creature that 504 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,800 from Predator? Freaking. 505 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,100 No. He said that but he didn't mean 506 00:32:56,100 --> 00:33:00,800 it. I'm like, oh like I'm weird to 507 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,500 see that the conversation between Owens brother. 508 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,600 And number one, tourist and Hopper. 509 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,500 And She's in five because you know you'd never know what 510 00:33:11,500 --> 00:33:13,500 really happened on that car ride back, you know. 511 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,300 He gives them a sanitized version and you know, they know 512 00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,400 that to be yes there's maybe they don't but they're so 513 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,500 excited to get back to their kids that they were like what I 514 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:27,100 kind of my kind of driven to that was like, alright they know 515 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:30,300 he's lying but they're like I want to get back to my kids. 516 00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:35,300 So we're going to deal with this later but yeah, and boy and like 517 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:39,400 that coming up. Now that that Hoppers been 518 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,700 filled in about something, because, you know, I mean, I 519 00:33:42,708 --> 00:33:46,300 know this is, you know, two episodes from this one, but it 520 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:51,800 has to be said, you know, when he and 11 reunite, he's not 521 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,100 surprised at all by her hair. He doesn't say, you know, what 522 00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:58,100 happened to your hair? Why did you shave it? 523 00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:03,500 You know, he just, they just go. Oh, your hair's just like mine, 524 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:07,600 you know, very touching scene but also very telling because So 525 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,600 it's just some things but there's definitely some bones 526 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,199 left out as my point, there's definitely stuff. 527 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,400 I was locked out. Yeah, I mean, I think it is that 528 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,800 there are saving that conversation for next season 529 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,300 because it's just like, you know, the Apparently 11 and 530 00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:28,000 Mike, didn't talk anything about him, confessing his love for her 531 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:33,000 and that long car ride either, which I Feast leave. 532 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:42,100 But anywho so After a very brutal scene to watch, we get 533 00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:46,400 someone of a softer lighter scene. 534 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:52,100 We go back to Hawkins in the upside down with Steve Robin, 535 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:57,600 Nancy, and Eddie, and they are headed towards the wheeler house 536 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:05,000 because they the bats have circled around the other gate. 537 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,300 They need a way to get out. They can't get out. 538 00:35:07,500 --> 00:35:08,900 Out with the bats are still there. 539 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,600 So what do they need? They need weapons to be able to 540 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,500 kill the bats and get rid of them. 541 00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,900 And so the police station can't walk. 542 00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:20,400 Always the police station because that's too far. 543 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,100 But Nancy was like, oh, you know what? 544 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,500 I have guns. Let's go to my house where we 545 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:33,200 can retrieve those guns, but before they get to the wheeler 546 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:39,200 house, Eddie and Steve have a Talk or chitchat. 547 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:48,900 And again it's basically verbatim you know Steve thanks 548 00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:53,600 Eddie for saving him and it is like yeah that was real Aussie. 549 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,300 Move you pulled back there and Steve courses like Ozzy and he 550 00:35:57,300 --> 00:36:02,400 was like yeah you know, took a bite out of that bat and Steve 551 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,900 just he still doesn't get it. Apparently he is not Big 552 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:12,600 pop-culture guy, which is surprising to me that way. 553 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:21,000 But anyway, like biting the head off of a well-known now, but I 554 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,900 feel like back then, like, if you were a Metalhead, you would 555 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,900 know that, but I don't know other people would like, it 556 00:36:26,908 --> 00:36:28,700 would have been in the pig when it happened. 557 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:33,500 But like like, you know, is Steve reading the newspaper, you 558 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,200 know what I mean? Like, I think it's not as well, 559 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,700 may not have been as well known outside of metalhead circles 560 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:41,100 back then. I don't know what kind of my 561 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:46,000 take on it. Yeah, I mean, I totally totally 562 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,000 agree. I can't really see. 563 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:51,900 See Steve being into metal but I don't know. 564 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,000 I kind of do see him as the type of watch MTV though. 565 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,900 You know. Yeah we don't give you would not 566 00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:02,000 have aired that there's no way. Oh yeah back then they wouldn't 567 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,200 have now. I mean yeah. 568 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,900 Yeah. Then because back then I was 569 00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,300 strictly music videos back. Then it was a nipple and not 570 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:13,100 what it is today. Yeah. 571 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,800 Um and so then, you know, they have this very touching 572 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,500 conversation, actually about Dustin and I thought was very 573 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,200 sweet because you know it's kind of like Steve is being reassured 574 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,500 that you know, even though Dustin has found this new friend 575 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,300 Eddie, he's still really looks up to Steve. 576 00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:32,100 And I thought that was really cool of Eddie to bring that up, 577 00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,800 like hey man, you know, don't be jealous. 578 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:38,600 Like you know, Dustin still, he's still crazy about you, man. 579 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:45,400 And then we get Eddie because it's basically a monologue and 580 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:53,000 itself, you know, talking about, you know, Robin and Nancy and 581 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,600 how, you know, they jumped right in after Steve and he was just 582 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,900 scared. But there is a line in the 583 00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:04,500 script that is different from on-screen and that is when Eddie 584 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:09,700 says, As quote I just couldn't accept that Steve Harrington was 585 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:12,500 actually a good dude. Rich parents popular girls love 586 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:14,900 him not a douche. No way, no way. 587 00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:19,700 And and then of course he does get the line about his own 588 00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:27,900 personal months and Doctrine but did the first part of that is 589 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:39,100 not in the in the show. At least not when I watched it 590 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:44,600 which made its point. The one about Steve Harrington 591 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,500 was actually good dude. Rich parents popular girls, love 592 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:53,100 them now, that's okay. I don't remember that. 593 00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:54,600 Okay. Sorry, folks. 594 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,900 There's a part though, there's a part that was so he's a Jasmine. 595 00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:01,200 I would get her back. Whatever it takes, whatever it 596 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:11,800 takes is not in there. Gotcha, but it's slightly 597 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,300 different, but that is in there, as a stancy shipper, I can 598 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:18,000 attest. The fact that that isn't there, 599 00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:21,200 not you, I should have, just let you do that run down, because I 600 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,200 knew that you probably know that we had because I definitely the 601 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,800 most notes about this section. I have many things to say. 602 00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:34,000 So yes, And and this is, you know, one of those things where 603 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,100 they're in the upside down. And this is one thing that I 604 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,300 kind of wish they would have done the season and hopefully 605 00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:43,800 next season, you know, the do this. 606 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,700 But I don't really know if by then, it'll have really even be 607 00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:53,100 important, but I wish they would have just had just, you know, 608 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,300 maybe 30 seconds of them just walking in silence in the 609 00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,700 upside. Down so that we as the audience 610 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,600 could listen, you know, I mean so that we could of heard, you 611 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,200 know, the sounds of this place because in this scene you can 612 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,700 faintly hear in the distance. What sounds like Moaning, you 613 00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:26,000 know, kind of a little Roar type of thing, and I believe in 614 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,200 season one, when Nancy is in the upside down. 615 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,300 And then we're Hopper and Joyce, you're in there looking for 616 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:36,400 Will, and correct me if I'm wrong on this Jasmine. 617 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,300 But you don't hear anything like that then. 618 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:45,000 But now, You know, you do when they're in it and season four. 619 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,900 And that's why I kind of kind of wish they would have done that 620 00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,300 in hindsight. I feel like there's a good 621 00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:55,500 reason why they didn't because they don't really want us to to, 622 00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:04,000 to have any semblance at this point in time of You know any 623 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:10,100 army of monsters or beast because you know that comes to 624 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,500 light. Well you know Nancy talks about 625 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:18,900 that in the fall in the episode but yeah I just for my own 626 00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:24,100 personal enjoyment I would have loved to have them just walk 627 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:30,300 around for a few seconds not talking so that we could you 628 00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:32,900 know just hear the sounds of the upside. 629 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,200 Down its arms. Yeah, they could have had, like, 630 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,700 a few, even like a minute or half a minute before heading and 631 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:41,900 Steve started talking where you could have heard it more. 632 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,600 Yeah, I agree. Because like, now to the 633 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,400 students, come here, I started analyzing it. 634 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,100 I've heard people commenting. And so now, when I rewatch, I 635 00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:51,800 hear things I didn't hear before. 636 00:41:53,500 --> 00:41:55,600 But I think it's supposed to be faint in the background because 637 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,500 you're right. I think in the early Seasons, 638 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,700 the only sounds you really here is like I think creaking about 639 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:03,700 stuff around them and then you hear like Joyce when like 640 00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:07,500 Jonathan Nancy and Steve are fighting with a gorgon, she 641 00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:10,100 failed his boards, you can hear the voices like you can't with 642 00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,100 Dustin this season but I don't think you hear the other thing 643 00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:16,600 although, The Vines aren't there in the previous. 644 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,100 Well, the vines are there but the like they're not quite as 645 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:22,300 advanced. It's not a kind of the dance 646 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:26,300 stage of decomp. We see it in in season 4 and it 647 00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:28,800 sounds like the creatures and the place was involved since 648 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,000 then. So I think you're right. 649 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,200 I think it's they're trying to subtly show. 650 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,300 The progression would be what I think they're doing but yeah 651 00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:38,200 that would have been that would have been cool. 652 00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:45,100 Yeah. So then another earthquake 653 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,300 happens in Robin. There was out the line of s of 654 00:42:49,300 --> 00:42:55,300 my least favorite lists earthquakes, which Robin I think 655 00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,500 you should probably get used to that for a home for a little 656 00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:03,600 while because it's going to happen again and then they 657 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,200 finally get through the woods and Nancy, apparently knows to 658 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,300 some familiar through the woods and it's the wheeler House. 659 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:17,100 She sees the world house and she says, come on, you know, and so 660 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:21,800 they walk all the way past off, power lines through the upside 661 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:33,400 down to the the wheeler house. And then We get some more 662 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,600 imagery of the power lines and the Decay on them. 663 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:43,100 Super cool shot and then we here Dustin save Steve do you copy 664 00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:47,000 Nancy Robin and we're back in the wheeler house but this time 665 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:54,700 in the right side up and Dustin is of course in the bathroom 666 00:43:54,700 --> 00:44:00,500 pretending to use the bathroom. He's sitting on an only you 667 00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:07,900 could get in the TS black toilet on his little radio saying we 668 00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,800 have been, we've been collared by the wall. 669 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,700 I repeat, we have been collared by the law and then when no one 670 00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:22,300 answers he flushes and you know, says the s word and at the that 671 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:27,400 line, well he doesn't say that directly in the script but it is 672 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,500 on the screen and I was thought was kind of funny that he liked 673 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,700 I like that touch. They added of him saying that 674 00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:37,100 because it's like, you know, he was in there actually using the 675 00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:44,100 bathroom when he really wasn't. And then we cut to him, going 676 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:51,200 through the living room past. Holly, who is playing with a 677 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,600 Lite-Brite foreshadowing, I think yes. 678 00:44:56,500 --> 00:45:00,400 And then there's, you know, the officers police officers, you're 679 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,200 talking to the parents. and Lucas, he joins Lucas and the 680 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:14,300 kitchen where they have discussion about Watergate and 681 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,900 Then of course, Erica comes in and it's like, what are you guys 682 00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:23,100 talking about? And one of the my favorite lines 683 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:32,600 from Erica about Gunsmoke and then about snow your guts 684 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,300 cowpuncher which is just that the same makes me laugh. 685 00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:46,900 Like every time it's so funny and Then are Coastline bolts on 686 00:45:46,900 --> 00:45:57,700 what you found on your bed, just like, what under your bed. and, 687 00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:04,300 Lucas just like really freaked out because he does not want 688 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:06,900 Dustin today. When it's under his bed, which, 689 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,400 you know, is really, we never, we don't know the answer to that 690 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,100 and maybe we never will. But obviously, it's probably 691 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:19,100 Playboy magazines or, you know, something gross like that. 692 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,700 See. So then you know after much 693 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,700 coercion from Erica, Lucas is fine. 694 00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:40,600 Like hey you know what? I'll tell you we think the 695 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,600 Killer is a dark wizard for the upside down, you know, we've 696 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,700 been looking for him but he's in the also damn can't reach him 697 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,500 but you know now we know there's a gate lovers like you know we 698 00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:04,800 just have to get there. and to the gate, you know, so that we 699 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:11,000 can you know, I'll get the back NE but you know, the police are 700 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,100 kind of in their way and we can't You never actually do 701 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:18,500 anything about it now because they won't let us leave. 702 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,200 And then he's like, you know, if you do you think anyone about 703 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,500 this goes? Mom and dad and Tina. 704 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,200 And he does not like his not want Tina. 705 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,700 Who was? I think Erica's friend, I think. 706 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:42,300 That was. Erica's friend in season 2. 707 00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:47,800 I believe that's what we were fresh when she was first 708 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,400 mentioned. And then he's like, you know, 709 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:56,100 I'm he threatens his like, I'm gonna smother you in your sleep 710 00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:02,200 and Erica still like okay, whatever. 711 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,300 And Lucas repeats himself. And this is all basically 712 00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:15,600 verbatim. dialogue between the script and on the screen, but 713 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,200 then, you know, you're because like, you know, why is there an 714 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:27,900 open gate and lovers late, and she thinks and I really love You 715 00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:29,900 know, how how they included this. 716 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:37,100 Because Erica thinks it's the Russians, the commies and she 717 00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,500 calls them and you look is like, no the commies. 718 00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:48,100 They didn't, you know, they're not because this time, you know, 719 00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:52,000 they have as far as Lucas, you know, with our the same thing as 720 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,700 like, as far as we know, you know, the Russians Are they have 721 00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:05,800 no connection with this fact, that guy at all, which we still 722 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,000 don't know. You know, they really do or not. 723 00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,100 It's Still Still Remains unclear. 724 00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:24,200 We didn't get an answer full answer to that in season 4, but 725 00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,200 yeah, Luke is like now I'm confident do it and they were 726 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:36,300 who did and You know that she's like in every just opened up you 727 00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:41,800 know for fun and here because Lucas is like you have no idea 728 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:47,900 what you're talking about and then Lucas, excuse me. 729 00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:52,000 Dustin brings up. You know, when I really like you 730 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,000 know this is quite he brings up is You know, she says she 731 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,600 doesn't but she brings up an essential essential question and 732 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,300 this is where Jasmine. I got our essential question for 733 00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:11,300 this episode from from the man himself Dustin, you know, he's 734 00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:16,600 like how did water Gabe you know to Gates have been opened so far 735 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:24,000 1 by 11 which was the mother gate and 1983 one by the 736 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,700 Russians. it's in season 3 and we know it's not the Russians or 737 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:35,400 11 this time and then he you know immediately in the script 738 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:42,100 it get it says light bulb like he gets no gets an idea and then 739 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:51,100 doesn't start spacing and then this is, this is verbatim in the 740 00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:55,200 script, is in those on screen, doesn't says there's one thing 741 00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,400 we've never understood which is why, you know, why is Jack back 742 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,100 to killing people, you know what's his motive for killing 743 00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:06,000 teens? It's always seemed too random to 744 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,500 Prozac on top of that. How does the Mind flayer figure 745 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,900 into all this? Maybe this is it, this is the 746 00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:14,300 answer. And, of course, you know, Lucas 747 00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:18,800 is like, what's the answer and then, of course, Karen comes in 748 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,800 and is offering one of the officers, something to drink, so 749 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,100 they have to leave. And so, Lucas and does the exit 750 00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,600 and go to Paul way and Erica joins them. 751 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,300 And then, you know, doesn't it's continuing to give his 752 00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:42,000 hypothesis and he's like any questions, how to 11 open the 753 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,500 mother gate and Luke is like, she made contact with a Again 754 00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:53,000 and doesn't said socket contact and lose like just like that now 755 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:59,600 when he cast his spell and so they go on hypothesizing and 756 00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:03,700 dozens light, you know what, if he's not simply killing, what if 757 00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:08,000 he's making a powerful psychic connection with his victims as a 758 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,300 connection. So powerful that it can tear up 759 00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:16,100 a whole and fabric kind of space and Lucas, of course. 760 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:21,000 You know, answers the question, he's opening Gates and then why 761 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,100 what? And looks like to take over the 762 00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:25,700 world. And then doesn't says it, who do 763 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:27,100 we know who wants to take over the world? 764 00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:31,000 And Lucas says the Mind. Flayer and then the sand gets 765 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,500 that big theory of. You know, what? 766 00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:39,000 If the demagoguery was just a foot soldier and what if that 767 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:45,800 knows his five-star general, and this is a part Where many 768 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,500 people. There's there's two sides. 769 00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:53,400 One side thinks. Okay, Dustin was wrong this 770 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,700 time. He's usually the one who's, 771 00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:58,100 right? The one that we look to for 772 00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:04,500 answers and then there's the other half who say, well he's 773 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:08,700 right you know, meghna the Mind flayer is controlling veteran 774 00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,700 and not the other way around, and we're going to see that and 775 00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:16,800 season 5 and it's going to be You know, a big plot twist of 776 00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:25,000 this particle monster that vecna himself shaped into a spider 777 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:32,100 like being or form rather. It's controlling things. 778 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,200 So Jasmine, do you? You have anything to say about 779 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,800 that? What I've just mentioned, Yeah, 780 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,900 I think for me I think Justin's idea is a good one, but I think 781 00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:49,900 from what we see in the flashbacks that investment is, 782 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:55,000 you know, talking to hell and showing things to Nancy, I 783 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,200 wouldn't say I wouldn't say is wrong with these half right 784 00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,300 because they think that the Mind flayer is sentient and able to 785 00:54:01,308 --> 00:54:05,300 control things but we learn as the audience is that vecna 786 00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:08,600 created the Mind flayer. So I don't think something you 787 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,800 couldn't could be controlling you but Other people want to 788 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,600 talk about how Victor Cruz said, we had one month of Peace in 789 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,000 that has we know something happened that one month dark. 790 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,300 So it's he talked about how demon who was, you know, taking 791 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:28,200 residents in their home. If this demon Spirit thing Is 792 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,300 part of the Dust particles that created them a part of the 793 00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:34,200 upside down, if that's all part and parcel of one thing. 794 00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,500 I think it is it could be possible that that thing is 795 00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:43,500 influencing the kinetic energy to do what he's doing and has 796 00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:46,400 for that one month mark. But I do that, that specific 797 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,400 amount that I get to take in the forward Market because it's 798 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,500 behind you created. But I don't think sentient on 799 00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:54,500 its own, the miners doing that because the monsters we know 800 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:58,900 exactly created it's impossible. The demon smoke monster particle 801 00:54:58,900 --> 00:55:02,100 thing is in charge and manipulating Henry. 802 00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:05,300 It has been since that day. Yes. 803 00:55:05,900 --> 00:55:08,200 Lutely. But to that sort of thing that 804 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,900 makes us in wrong. I just think it means he doesn't 805 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:14,600 have all the information and I think it's either reverted like 806 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,300 got rid of the big head onto her in charge and he's created the 807 00:55:17,308 --> 00:55:19,900 Mind player and the line player works very well though. 808 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,500 I'm not into the monthly or sentient though because from 809 00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:23,400 what we've now. No. 810 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,800 I'm like I think it's just a tool that vecna's using. 811 00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:28,100 I think that was kind of part of the reveal. 812 00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:33,800 Either that, or it's all part. And parcel of this thing that's 813 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,100 in control of everything including vecna, because I don't 814 00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:41,400 like it either. One of the other, I don't think 815 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,000 it's the, The Twist where it's like, oh yeah, the mine players 816 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,700 control, like sentient on its own, is controlling back. 817 00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:49,800 Now, just based on what we've seen, that doesn't make sense to 818 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:54,900 me unless it's part of something larger on its own. 819 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,200 But that's kind of where this kind of worker I fall on that. 820 00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:05,500 I'm going to save my answer for that until we get to the end. 821 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,100 But not because I don't have anything to say but because you 822 00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:13,500 know, I think it's just best. You don't say my answer for the 823 00:56:13,500 --> 00:56:16,100 N. That's right, folks, making you 824 00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:20,900 wait getting worse. But I mean yeah if you 825 00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:23,600 definitely want to skip everything else and just go to 826 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,700 the end of today's episode of my answer. 827 00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:29,300 That's okay because it's going to look like we got a bunch of 828 00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:33,000 plays anyway, so it's good. Yeah, she have to win. 829 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,300 It's a win-win. And like I said, this is the 830 00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,000 part. I have the most notes on. 831 00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:50,400 So do you want me to kind of get into that or Is there anything 832 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,900 else that you want to kind of address in terms of the question 833 00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:56,600 of the episode before I kind of get into my extensive notes on 834 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,400 the scene? We're talking about the next 835 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,200 scene of Nancy and Company, correct? 836 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,600 Well, my name's start from the beginning of like when they wind 837 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,400 up in the upside down in, like, because it's into the into the, 838 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,800 where they go into the right side out, I kind of have it all 839 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,600 as one thing, like the upside down like the upside out of the 840 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,600 Wheelhouse, in Birds up in the upset. 841 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,100 I have all of my notes together. Gotcha, gotcha. 842 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,600 I just want to say real quick before we move on to that. 843 00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:31,300 Erica says another fine line. You know, that was, you know, 844 00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:37,000 she asked for them. To be kind and Rewind which is 845 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,800 definitely not me definitely speaking for the audience there 846 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,900 because it when I first watched it was quite a bit to take in, 847 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:49,700 so I just wanted to throw that out there so Jasmine you can 848 00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:54,600 continue to your points. I love the Be Kind, Rewind as a 849 00:57:54,607 --> 00:58:00,300 90° 80s or 90s kid Be Kind Rewind kids. 850 00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:07,600 These days we'll never know the The Blingo Blingo. 851 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,500 But is that how that was? You get the VHS with Blockbuster 852 00:58:10,500 --> 00:58:13,600 and the last person who had and did not reward and you're like 853 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,900 now I have to rewrite this yeah it's got to go back today or 854 00:58:19,908 --> 00:58:22,900 you're gonna get fleas. You get fined and like like I 855 00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:25,400 have to quit you're like hey Todd you're trying to do it your 856 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,600 mom's like we had to go I don't like we're why did the tape 857 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,800 pieces? Well done or what the take comes 858 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,100 out and sometimes it can't go back inaudible. 859 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:42,600 Sometimes if you get lucky it could have gone back in. 860 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,200 But most of the time if it all came out you might as well just 861 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:55,500 go and buy a new one. No, yeah, yeah. 862 00:58:56,500 --> 00:59:06,000 Yeah. Yeah. 863 00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:09,200 So there's a different parts of these genes that are verbatim, 864 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,800 is that she was talking about. I've noticed there's a bunch of, 865 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,400 I think little changes that will probably either down the day or 866 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,100 just kind of, you know, kind of, you know, adding cross checking 867 00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:25,900 things to see and as needed. But there are a couple of major 868 00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:27,300 changes. I think the to that's took out 869 00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:32,100 two stuck out to me, was adding schemes conversation and then 870 00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:36,900 the scene where Nancy See Robert and Eddie are in her room in the 871 00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:40,800 upside down and do some of the that ties into the war. 872 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,700 So I'll be sure to hear your thoughts on that. 873 00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:45,700 Ashley. But to start off with something, 874 00:59:45,700 --> 00:59:48,800 I noticed was Robin starts the scene in the upside down, which 875 00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,600 is not in the script, so she starts the scene by asking if 876 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,500 they could have tried a road or something less creepy and answer 877 00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,400 me assures her. So I noticed that they kind of 878 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,400 beefed up, the interactions would be Nancy and Robin in the 879 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,600 final product where you see much more of Friendship. 880 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,000 And I'm kind of getting to know each other and building that 881 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,500 Rapport. You also have all more scenes 882 01:00:11,500 --> 01:00:14,800 where Robin is might want balls and taking that control or 883 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,400 leading the scene. Which I think either naturally 884 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,000 came out or I think, you know, they said they kind of play to 885 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,000 the performances, the actors give them. 886 01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:26,200 So I think part of that was the place where you're like, oh, we 887 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,700 need to kind of give more at my ahok more to kind of work with 888 01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:32,200 here, you know. So I thought that was 889 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,100 interesting and a good change kind of how they elevated Max 890 01:00:35,100 --> 01:00:37,300 this season. You know, when she didn't have 891 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:40,100 as large of a role in the, the previous Seasons. 892 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,900 There's a lot of descriptions in this scene. 893 01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:47,400 I really, really love the first is as they walked Steve sidles 894 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,400 up to Eddie and in a very awkward guy way. 895 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,800 I really love that that made me laugh. 896 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,800 Laugh. And it's, you know, you can tell 897 01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,000 that the actors, you know, took that to heart. 898 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,400 I realized the line were the description where it says we can 899 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,000 tell. This means a lot to Steve, when 900 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,000 Eddie's talking to him about Dustin and how much the kid 901 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,100 worships in, as I said before, the dialog here is a lot less 902 01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:13,800 formal more colloquial. What do you think? 903 01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,400 Would have probably been the actors, which makes sense 904 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,300 because like the people writing, this stuff are significantly 905 01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,600 older than the agency's characters of me and the older 906 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,000 than the actors. So I think it's always great 907 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,000 when you Your actors kind of be you know make it more 908 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,800 colloquial. Otherwise it sounds very stiff 909 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,000 and I love that they let the actors kind of play with it in 910 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,400 that way. Steve tells Eddie to give 911 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,100 himself a break which is not in the script so that might have 912 01:01:40,100 --> 01:01:43,000 been what you were thinking of when you were like, oh that one 913 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,400 part isn't in the script. There are a few lines of don't 914 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,000 make it in there. Some other things I thought were 915 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,300 taking, this is a direction. The script that says Steve tries 916 01:01:51,300 --> 01:01:54,100 to hide the fact that this means a lot to him when Eddie starts 917 01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:56,700 talking about, you know, Nancy. She thinks and she is still in 918 01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:59,900 love with him and, you know, her dad being was an unambiguous 919 01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:02,300 sign of true love. But in this scene, it's very 920 01:02:02,300 --> 01:02:04,200 obvious how much this means to Steve. 921 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,000 And I think that was a good choice because I'm trying to 922 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,400 hide it. I think you would have come 923 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,900 across, has always pretending like, he doesn't care and Steve 924 01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:13,800 has never been that way about Nancy. 925 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:19,000 Not once so. I think that was the right way 926 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,400 to play it. I think Joe came is right, you 927 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:27,500 know, call there, you know. But I would get her back is in 928 01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:31,000 both, but he has a follow-up line, saying, I would get her 929 01:02:31,008 --> 01:02:33,900 back. Whether it takes is the script, 930 01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:36,100 but not the scene. And I kind of feel like maybe 931 01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:40,000 that's because you know that Eddie had made his point until I 932 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,800 felt like maybe that was like beating him over the head with 933 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,500 it which wasn't really necessary. 934 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,400 I mean his language I love but on a bigger sign of true love is 935 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,600 great but also a little bit cheesy and I saw people comment 936 01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,200 on that so I feel like maybe they toned down other portions 937 01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:01,600 of Is it because of that? Also, like again, this is, I 938 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,300 think this is Curtis the actors in this script Steve is 939 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:07,900 described as being flustered in this scene, but in the final 940 01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:11,300 product, he's very seriously. Taking wedding is saying to 941 01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:14,400 Heart, looking thoughtfully at Nancy and I think that was the 942 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,900 right call because Humane flustered at the Creole House 943 01:03:16,900 --> 01:03:19,000 made sense. But in being cluster and that is 944 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000 why I think man she's clearly still in love with you. 945 01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:24,700 I mean that doesn't really make sense it man. 946 01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:27,600 She's not saying it to him. It's Eddie this guy that he I 947 01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:31,900 didn't know that well like he's just getting to know so I think 948 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,800 that was good cause I'm Jose Parks something that made me 949 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:42,400 laugh was in this room. Steve says goddamn instead of 950 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,700 Jesus on the earthquake hits but taking like Jesus becomes Eddie 951 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,000 his catchphrase the season. So I thought that was 952 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,200 interesting and I which makes me wonder if like obviously I 953 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,200 didn't like Jesus. Christ. 954 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,000 When the batch come at them if that just be a running joke or 955 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,000 if it has more to do with like how the actors would actually 956 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:06,700 swear in real life? Good one. 957 01:04:06,700 --> 01:04:08,400 Yes. Wearing about something. 958 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,600 It's like if you're saying something you wouldn't normally 959 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,200 say it sounds really awkward so I love that that kind of became 960 01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,600 Eddie's catchphrase and you see that continued after I wanted 961 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,700 your thoughts on this? I noticed that really epic shot. 962 01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:25,500 We have when they come out of the woods towards them get our 963 01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:27,500 house. I did not catch any of this. 964 01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:31,100 First time through, but I noticed that when they go from 965 01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:34,300 the tree line to the winner has the upside down, there's 966 01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:37,500 something that looks like a shed or maybe a garage across from 967 01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:41,700 the wheeler house, like in the grass, but there's nothing out, 968 01:04:41,700 --> 01:04:45,500 except down the power lines and I went back and compared it and 969 01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:49,100 I was like, wait a minute, there should be other houses around 970 01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:51,200 the wheeler house there. Other houses like on the 971 01:04:51,207 --> 01:04:55,700 cul-de-sac in the right side up but none of that is there in the 972 01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:57,800 upside down. There's just this once Said 973 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:03,600 garage thing down, power lines and then the wheeler house and I 974 01:05:03,607 --> 01:05:06,500 hadn't noticed that I'm like, that's got to be intentional. 975 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,900 But that has to be intentional because otherwise wanted to make 976 01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:14,000 it look exactly the same. So I was really curious as to 977 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,000 what your thoughts were on. Why that is, why only the rear 978 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,400 housing is one shed? Like, what is that? 979 01:05:21,900 --> 01:05:28,600 Yeah, I kind of thought maybe it was a production issue because 980 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,800 it's so dark that maybe you can't see everything. 981 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,600 And um you know one thing I noticed to this season in 982 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,700 general like whenever we went to the Wheelhouse like even in the 983 01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:46,100 right side up, it's how big their yard once the season, like 984 01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:49,200 something about it, look different than in previous 985 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,800 seasons and we know that Lucas is And my core neighbors. 986 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,300 But we don't know how far down from each other. 987 01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:59,800 They live. We don't really know how far 988 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,300 apart they live from their houses are from other neighbors. 989 01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,200 It's never been dressed. They never, I mean that was 990 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,000 that, you know, one scene and season one, but the van, but 991 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,100 this moves so fast you can't really, you know, tell a lot. 992 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,100 Yeah, I don't know. Again, it could have just been 993 01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:23,200 like, production things. Or it could be intentional. 994 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:28,800 I have no idea. I wish I knew but that's the 995 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,800 only thing that I can come up with. 996 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,200 Yeah, I'm really curious about that because I re-watched it and 997 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,000 if it's not 0 because it's dark, but I re-watch it and I'm like, 998 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,400 no, these, their houses are not there. 999 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,200 We don't the cul-de-sac, but I'm like, the very least there 1000 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,600 should be houses on either side of Nancy's because we never get 1001 01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,300 an indication that like it's a house on its own or that it's 1002 01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:55,400 out with the very end. You don't even like if you're at 1003 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,000 the end of the concept called like a u shape, at the very 1004 01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,700 least they should have a neighbor even if there's a 1005 01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:05,100 really big like even if the yard is massive, Like I rewatched a 1006 01:07:05,107 --> 01:07:07,100 couple times and I'm like, yeah, these are their houses should be 1007 01:07:07,100 --> 01:07:08,800 there. So even if they're close to 1008 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,800 neighbor is quite far, it's still a cul-de-sac. 1009 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,400 If you can't be country, yard big, you know. 1010 01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:18,400 So I'm really curious if that's and I don't think it's 1011 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,400 production because I would have liked those shots were had been 1012 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,000 TDI anyway. So like, it would have been easy 1013 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,500 for them to pop in the houses or even just the side of a house. 1014 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,300 You know what I mean? So yeah, I'm really curious as 1015 01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:34,900 to what that was and it kind of to me, it kind of leads into 1016 01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:38,600 okay or only certain things, duplicate the upside down 1017 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,400 because the theory that we've kind of been sold here is that 1018 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,700 what was an exact replica but with vines and it's kind of 1019 01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:49,400 decaying but how accurate is that? 1020 01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,100 Because it was close to that epic flyover shot this season 1021 01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:55,100 and they chose not to. So I wonder if that would have 1022 01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:56,600 given too much way too expensive. 1023 01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,600 I don't know but I feel feel like they're like there's got to 1024 01:07:59,607 --> 01:08:03,800 be something there and it kind of demand leads back to if will 1025 01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:06,600 somehow influence the upside down when he was stuck there 1026 01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,900 like subconsciously or vector pulled something from his 1027 01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:13,800 memories. Like certain things are 1028 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,800 obviously stand out and Will's mind like the wheeler house so 1029 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,500 that's going to be really clearly defined but the other 1030 01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:22,200 houses around it probably wouldn't be because he's never 1031 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,600 been in them. He doesn't know the people that 1032 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,899 live there. So like if we're going off that 1033 01:08:26,899 --> 01:08:29,200 or like what that combined with what head and renew for the 1034 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,800 time, he lived there only certain places you're going to 1035 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,500 go to certain places would stand out to you at like 10 or 12. 1036 01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:38,700 So I wonder if that's what it is. 1037 01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:41,899 It's only place that stand out because we've only really Ali 1038 01:08:41,899 --> 01:08:46,300 seen the wheeler house and the buyers house and the quill house 1039 01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:48,800 and the wheelers. The buyers are places that you 1040 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,100 know, of importance to will, he knows really well. 1041 01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:54,700 And the cross is important to Henry so I wouldn't be surprised 1042 01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:57,399 if we find out that all the other homes just want their 1043 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,100 where, I guess we see the trailer park, but that's where 1044 01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:01,000 Chrissy died. So, do you know? 1045 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,600 I mean like it's the only places that are connected to something, 1046 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,200 not the other places. So for me, there's something 1047 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,800 happened, when two people go in there like There's got to be, 1048 01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:15,800 there's got to be more to it than that. 1049 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,000 Yeah. So I'm interested to see what 1050 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,100 that is. One of the thing I noticed too 1051 01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:25,700 is just a bunch of notes in the part where they're in the right 1052 01:09:25,700 --> 01:09:29,600 side up at the wheeler house. It's a like, see appendix to or 1053 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,100 see appendix whatever and I'm really curious as to what's in 1054 01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:37,200 those appendices. Because my sentence that I need 1055 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,000 to kind of either like background information or notes 1056 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,500 for the extra lines or like suggestions maybe for the other 1057 01:09:45,500 --> 01:09:48,500 actors. Yeah, you have. 1058 01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:51,100 I'm sorry. No. 1059 01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:57,300 I was going to say so the the appendix is like, you know, an 1060 01:09:57,300 --> 01:10:01,300 attachment. So it's like, you know, how in 1061 01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:05,800 the same like in the, in the show when You know, after Erica 1062 01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,300 says, you know, please Be Kind Rewind, and then Dustin starts 1063 01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:14,100 explaining then, you know, we Fade to the lights flickering 1064 01:10:14,100 --> 01:10:17,700 and then, you know, we Fade Into the scene of Nancy and everybody 1065 01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:22,200 else going to the Wheelhouse. So you know, you can hear dust 1066 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,200 and like explaining, you know, stuffed Erica as you know, they 1067 01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,900 fade out of that scene. So you know, when I read through 1068 01:10:29,900 --> 01:10:33,600 the whole script, the appendices are like at the very end of the 1069 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:40,100 script and Just that it just gives you that dialogue of what 1070 01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:43,400 Dustin was Dustin and Lucas were telling Erica. 1071 01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:46,800 And they were basically just explaining like everything, you 1072 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,500 know that's happened as far in the show's pertains to a little 1073 01:10:50,500 --> 01:10:55,800 opening, the gate and stuff because Erica to my knowledge 1074 01:10:55,800 --> 01:11:00,900 doesn't know about any of that because you know, just as I just 1075 01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:05,000 read a few few moments ago, you know, she thought that The 1076 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,900 Russians were opening the eight again you know, and they're like 1077 01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:12,300 no no that's not the Russians, you know, this time and so there 1078 01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:16,700 are kind of feeling her in so that was that's the where the 1079 01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:26,400 appendix comes into play. Yeah, that's what I was, kind of 1080 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,700 wondering. That's what I kind of figured, 1081 01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:31,300 it was, but thank you for that useful explanation. 1082 01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:33,400 And I would love to see, originated through to the 1083 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:38,200 appendices in this because like, I would like to see the lines of 1084 01:11:38,208 --> 01:11:41,500 the direction of the other actors were given especially the 1085 01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:45,000 officers in the parents because we hear pieces of their 1086 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,900 dialogue, like the fact that mr. Sinclair asked Chief Paolo, they 1087 01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:53,100 need lawyers and he says no and obviously it's be faded. 1088 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,600 Now there's more dialogue so like I like I like the fact that 1089 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,700 like these people were given dialogue. 1090 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,900 So they knew what to keep saying, even though they knew my 1091 01:12:01,900 --> 01:12:04,300 denoting as an appendix that like okay we're going to fade 1092 01:12:04,300 --> 01:12:06,400 out when you're saying this. So we're not going to hear most 1093 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,100 of it but just in case it was the background of a scene or 1094 01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:11,300 when they chose to fade. But I think it's better than 1095 01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:12,900 just leaving your actors and being like, I don't know. 1096 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:15,700 Talk about something like that, you know. 1097 01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:17,900 Yeah. That must that would be 1098 01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:23,000 challenging something else. I noticed is that in the script, 1099 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,100 Dustin crosses through the TV room Room and sees how I play 1100 01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:29,600 with her light bright, but in the actual scene, he almost 1101 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,800 bumped into her, in the kitchen holding the light, by which I 1102 01:12:32,808 --> 01:12:36,400 thought was a good, like, I felt like that was better 1103 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,000 foreshadowing because it's like also that we would, like, kids 1104 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,000 almost bumped into you or you almost bump into them, then felt 1105 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,100 more natural. And I thought that was cute, 1106 01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,200 rather than him just walking past her. 1107 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,100 I don't know if it would have been as direct folder 1108 01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:53,100 foreshadowing, and I also thought it was kind of A 1109 01:12:53,108 --> 01:12:56,900 continent like again, show don't Elledge it showed us a lot very 1110 01:12:56,900 --> 01:13:00,600 quickly, it showed that in the same way that like will 1111 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,300 basically grew up at the wheeler house ever. 1112 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,500 Everyone is so comfortable with Holly and she's so comfortable 1113 01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:10,400 them that like you don't have a guest over you, behave 1114 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,100 differently. They're so comfortable with each 1115 01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:15,700 other that she's like like she's almost bumped into dust of their 1116 01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:17,700 multi poop State. Like he's a good person and she 1117 01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:20,300 was like, yeah, he just kind of keeps the motor in and that way 1118 01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:25,100 the 1i kids do and it's not It's not a rudeness it's just like 1119 01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:27,100 that's just how kids are going to go. 1120 01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:28,300 You know, when they're run, somebody that they're 1121 01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:31,500 comfortable with and like a lot of them about how he is unfazed, 1122 01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:34,800 occur parent her parents and everyone else's parents or in 1123 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,000 like the living talking about like do we need lawyers? 1124 01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:41,300 Who could be arrested, Nancy's missing. 1125 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,100 And like holidays on bothers. Just like this happens every 1126 01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:45,800 year. But I'm gonna just go play with 1127 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:47,400 my life, bro. You don't get results. 1128 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,500 Like don't worry. Don't worry. 1129 01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:52,200 She's fine, she's fine. She's but like, I feel like 1130 01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:56,200 she's just so, Climatized and there's more Nancy and Mike and 1131 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,600 her then maybe her parents realized. 1132 01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,000 Yeah. Karen made that comment last 1133 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,100 season. About, you know, I think it was 1134 01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:05,000 quick to the hospital. You have this fight in you that 1135 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,800 I don't have. And we see that fight in Mike 1136 01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,500 and Nancy. But we also see like how I can 1137 01:14:09,508 --> 01:14:12,400 notice the trees were moving. She noticed will trying to reach 1138 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,000 out to her. She's obviously, I think 1139 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,200 brighter than people are giving her credit for and this kid is 1140 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,500 unfazed where they're just like. Yeah. 1141 01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,600 This is what It happens here. I think she just knows and she 1142 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,500 just kind of minding her own business. 1143 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,100 I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if that is there some 1144 01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:32,600 kind of revealing the final season? 1145 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,700 And where it's like, yeah, I've known the whole time, you know, 1146 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:42,200 it's kind of biding my time over here my own business, but I love 1147 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,500 that and this is a small thing, but I notice that Erica is 1148 01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:47,900 drinking Minute Maid and not grape juice. 1149 01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,700 Look at the script isn't, she's drinking grape juice and in the 1150 01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:53,000 scene is Minute Maid. And I'm assuming that's a 1151 01:14:53,008 --> 01:14:54,800 personal preference. I personally don't like grape 1152 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,600 juice either. So it appears like nah. 1153 01:14:57,700 --> 01:14:59,000 I don't want I don't like grape juice. 1154 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,500 I don't want to drink that or maybe that's just what they had. 1155 01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:06,200 If you could think I was thinking of you mentioned this 1156 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,400 but what is the deal with Lucas and Tina? 1157 01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:11,700 Like why did he says like especially if you try to it 1158 01:15:11,700 --> 01:15:15,400 especially Tina and that's the same Tina from season three with 1159 01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,200 like I'm supposed to be, he discovered me, I'm so sorry, 1160 01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,900 Uncle Jack's party. Who the heck is Tina? 1161 01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:24,500 And like what is the deal between like it seems to imply 1162 01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:27,000 the like whatever Lucas order is better something to do with 1163 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,600 Tina. Like who is Tina? 1164 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,100 How old is Tina? What is this? 1165 01:15:32,300 --> 01:15:35,600 We should with Kida like that guy. 1166 01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:44,900 I think Tina is might be Erica's friend, where his friend? 1167 01:15:44,900 --> 01:15:47,800 Yeah. And could be a blabbermouth and 1168 01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,800 that's why Lucas doesn't want Erica to tell her but I also 1169 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,000 thought, you know, maybe if Erika has a babysitter it could 1170 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,100 be Tina. I don't know. 1171 01:15:56,100 --> 01:16:00,900 We've never seen Tina. She's only ever been mentioned. 1172 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:06,800 Hopefully, we'll We'll see Tina next season, I want you to roll 1173 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,600 up. I want, I want all these people. 1174 01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,700 They've been mentioning to suddenly just like I don't know 1175 01:16:11,700 --> 01:16:14,200 like Tina. What if she's a baby selection 1176 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,200 tennis wanted to look it up for Holly or something, just like 1177 01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:22,100 it. Yeah, that would that would be 1178 01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:23,900 great. And I also think, you know, they 1179 01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:26,200 joked about not wanting to add to what even characters next 1180 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,400 season. I think a great way to 1181 01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,700 accomplish, you know, not not explaining the cast two months 1182 01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:34,900 but Your story is, if you bring up characters, you've already 1183 01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:37,000 meant to your who've been in the background or appeared in 1184 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,900 previous Seasons, you're not bringing in new characters, but 1185 01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:44,000 you are expanding. So I think that would be a great 1186 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,900 solution because I've said this before and I'll say it again, 1187 01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:50,200 the only new character they need to, as a love interest for will, 1188 01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:55,400 there is no, there is no purpose to me to adding a random other 1189 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,700 new character with what they've set up this time that wouldn't 1190 01:16:58,700 --> 01:17:02,100 just blow up the cast. And like, I don't think really 1191 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,300 Serve a purpose. So I would really, really love 1192 01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:08,100 to see that and this is a change. 1193 01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:13,500 I really really liked. So in this scene Lucas says, you 1194 01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:17,900 know, do you copy and that's it. But in the actual scene we see, 1195 01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:20,700 he says, do you do you understand? 1196 01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:25,500 And he slides forward on his arm and says do you copy? 1197 01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:29,000 And I love that. Like, that's between him and 1198 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,000 Erica is fantastic, and it perfectly. 1199 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,800 Capture that sibling Dynamic? Yeah, just the the physical 1200 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,800 acting between Caleb and then pre-owned that scene is just 1201 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,200 awesome. Like it's so much fun. 1202 01:17:46,900 --> 01:17:48,800 Let's see. What is pretty much? 1203 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,000 Identical. I learned from this group that, 1204 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,200 that random officer that Karen's offering the soda to is Officer 1205 01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,800 Daniels. I was like, oh, okay, that guy 1206 01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,900 has a name. I feel like maybe more contacts 1207 01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:03,700 in the script of kind of got hooked back up, which makes 1208 01:18:03,700 --> 01:18:04,800 sense. Yeah. 1209 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,800 But yeah, but that guy's name is over there and to be honest, the 1210 01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:11,500 first time through I thought that was one of the deputies. 1211 01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:12,800 I didn't clock that. It was a. 1212 01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:14,500 I thought that was it was only the two of them. 1213 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,300 There, I can always other guys in the background, but I just I 1214 01:18:17,308 --> 01:18:19,800 didn't even clock them as a different person because that's 1215 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,700 not the focus of the stay in the focus of the scene, is the kids 1216 01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:29,600 talking in the kitchen. There are going to be laughs was 1217 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:36,500 so in the script, the line was Luke's deadline is saying that L 1218 01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:39,600 made contact with the devil G in the. 1219 01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,700 And I don't know if this was like a bluebird on Caleb part of 1220 01:18:43,700 --> 01:18:47,600 what this was, But in this, in the final scene has changed you, 1221 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,800 she contacted the demagogue on which one are you watching? 1222 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,100 I'm like, it makes it sound like she phoned him, it makes it 1223 01:18:53,100 --> 01:19:03,000 sound and called him. Yeah. 1224 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,500 Like that feels like maybe he forgot the word and they just 1225 01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:10,700 and the Restless scene was good. So they just went with it. 1226 01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:12,500 Like yeah like that. Yes. 1227 01:19:12,500 --> 01:19:18,700 Take like in some other like Erica's line to this entirety or 1228 01:19:18,700 --> 01:19:20,600 pure gold. She's super hilarious. 1229 01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:26,700 But once it got me were holy shit, that was the 1230 01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:34,600 incomprehensible. and yes, you know, does he talks fast anyway 1231 01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:41,400 so that's also why, you know, yeah, that made me love what you 1232 01:19:41,407 --> 01:19:46,200 think she's to garden and she is like Yeah, or like lurkers line 1233 01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,100 as we Fade Out. So, what was that giant laser? 1234 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,600 Like just her like over the fact like a background character to 1235 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,200 establish loses home, life to being like so full of like 1236 01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,500 staffs and amazing hilarious lines like they really show her. 1237 01:20:01,500 --> 01:20:04,300 Yeah. Improv and her acting chops in 1238 01:20:04,300 --> 01:20:07,700 this and I love that. Yeah, and what I really like 1239 01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:11,800 about Erica, you know, only the same but just in this episode, 1240 01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,700 in general, you know, with her dialogue is She's basically the 1241 01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:19,800 audience and in this moment and that's like us going. 1242 01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:23,000 Well what was all that about? A lot of the you know that 1243 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,500 happen please be quiet kind of rewind like this is all a lot to 1244 01:20:27,500 --> 01:20:32,100 take in and one time you know. So I really love you know, not 1245 01:20:32,100 --> 01:20:36,400 only how that was written but also how it was acted out on the 1246 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:42,700 screen. Yeah, I totally agree and then 1247 01:20:42,700 --> 01:20:46,400 when we get back to the into the upside down, I don't sit Robbins 1248 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,400 line about the made a slightly different. 1249 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,300 I think it's better in the final version is more congenial, which 1250 01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:54,100 I love. This is a small thing. 1251 01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:57,600 But in this, when they go to Nancy's room in the shoes, the 1252 01:20:58,100 --> 01:21:01,500 in the shoes in the show, the final version. 1253 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:05,300 The shoes are red in the front. This is a shoes are red. 1254 01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:08,200 But in the final scene there, right there, that was 1255 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,900 interesting. And I don't know if that's 1256 01:21:10,900 --> 01:21:14,000 significant or if that's just they found they had whites used 1257 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,500 on hand or if that look better or pop or ice cream or 1258 01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:22,700 something. I didn't Robbins, I basically 1259 01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:24,900 say the same thing but they're slightly different, you get more 1260 01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:27,200 colloquial. This is something. 1261 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:31,600 I also noticed in the scene where Nancy and Steve talked in 1262 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,700 the woods that the they kind of a short up. 1263 01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:40,000 They just the timeline. So Holly is B5 in the script. 1264 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,400 But six in the final version I think that just somebody went in 1265 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,500 and we counted as if you know, there had an issue with Will's 1266 01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:49,200 birthday cough, cough. They really should have counted 1267 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:53,300 for the entire script or, you know, had Winona can look at it. 1268 01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:58,700 But likewise I think of the script Steve says that either, 1269 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,500 you know, they broke up three years ago and I think in the 1270 01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:06,300 final version it's too. So like they adjusted the The 1271 01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:10,400 timeline to make that line up. I think they they were a bit off 1272 01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,900 when they were writing kind of also noticed it like in that 1273 01:22:14,900 --> 01:22:18,400 scene and he grabs the cue cards first, but not in the script, 1274 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:22,000 she grabs of later the flashbacks with Steve are in the 1275 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,900 final version of the script, which I think is good. 1276 01:22:23,900 --> 01:22:29,300 Because like as a Big Stan, see that I've made Lee was like, oh 1277 01:22:29,308 --> 01:22:32,200 my God, but if that's not your ship, that's not your ride or 1278 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,600 die, I get that people. In the audience might have been 1279 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,600 like Like wait, what is this have to do with anything? 1280 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,300 Like what? What's with the cue card? 1281 01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:44,400 So, I like that they connected that for for the audience. 1282 01:22:45,900 --> 01:22:48,000 I don't know that. Always pain do that, it wasn't 1283 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,900 in the script because the actors don't need like, that's an 1284 01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:53,200 editing note. So maybe that's why. 1285 01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:56,200 I something I thought was interesting in terms of major 1286 01:22:56,200 --> 01:23:00,000 changes was the final version calls more attention to Stephen 1287 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,700 energies relationship. Then the script like this, in 1288 01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:05,500 the script, it's kind of incidental, but in the final 1289 01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:08,100 version, we see it's much more prominent. 1290 01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:11,900 It's much more of a focal point in that scene as viewers were 1291 01:23:11,900 --> 01:23:13,800 really articulate as drawn to it. 1292 01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,100 And I think that that's because, you know, as you're trying to do 1293 01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:22,000 set up for The Following season, I think there was a lot of 1294 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,500 really good work done for this season where, you know, like I 1295 01:23:24,508 --> 01:23:26,600 said it's a show for smart people there, expect you to get 1296 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:27,400 it. They're not going to hold your 1297 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,500 hand, they're basically kind of showing this what they want to 1298 01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:35,200 direct our attention to do in terms of the editing and what 1299 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,200 them flashbacks and what they're showing us. 1300 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:39,400 What do you think was interesting? 1301 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,900 Because I said this is my last trip so we did but that in the 1302 01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:48,500 script you know, Nancy's T-bird, like, you know, 1% idea, then 1303 01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:50,900 the others following words in the final version, they are much 1304 01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:53,300 more of a team. They're reading this together 1305 01:23:53,700 --> 01:23:56,400 and they really played into the chemistry, those actors have and 1306 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,200 be like, okay, this is where we're going, this is what we 1307 01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:02,100 want to call your attention to. And so once they started like, 1308 01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:06,400 you know, you know, like London and filming the set of our, 1309 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,600 okay, we need to move with this because that's going to create a 1310 01:24:09,608 --> 01:24:17,000 better record of Becker seeing. Yeah, and it's kind of funny 1311 01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:23,100 because this saying this the saying about always is where we 1312 01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:27,500 learned that the upside down stuck in 1983 but this scene and 1313 01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:33,300 the scene that comes way after it, which is the Henry curls 1314 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:35,500 monologue, which we're definitely going to get too 1315 01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:37,500 soon. I'm really excited about that. 1316 01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:42,200 But it did the both of those scenes are very different from 1317 01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,100 this. Script to the screen like 1318 01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:46,400 they're the dialogue and everything. 1319 01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,600 It for the most part is is different. 1320 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:53,100 And for this scene in particular, I actually like the 1321 01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:59,800 on-screen version a lot better than this one because the 1322 01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,800 on-screen, you know, really grabs you, it really grabs your 1323 01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:10,300 attention of hey like where'd not on the same timeline like 1324 01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:12,800 it's really weird. You know that there Rules are 1325 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:18,900 parallel, but they're not moving together in terms of time and 1326 01:25:18,900 --> 01:25:22,700 space. And but also another thing that 1327 01:25:22,700 --> 01:25:29,500 I really noticed while Nancy and them were walking through the 1328 01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:34,500 house and got to her room in this scene and she's picking up 1329 01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:37,900 everything. And I just noticed, you know how 1330 01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:41,100 interesting it is that even though they're in the upside 1331 01:25:41,100 --> 01:25:47,600 down in this, This apparently it's, you know, been copied from 1332 01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:49,500 the natural world, it's everything. 1333 01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:54,300 So tangible as though they were in the right side up and I found 1334 01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:59,800 that very, very interesting and I hope that is explained next 1335 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:05,500 season, because, you know, if it's just, if this was from 1336 01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:11,300 credit from, someone's memory or whatever, you know, how is it 1337 01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:13,300 there? Everything's Of tangible. 1338 01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:19,800 And that's, it's it's very interesting to me. 1339 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:27,000 And to be honest with you, You know what? 1340 01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000 I'll First Watch the saying. Well not really first wash it 1341 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:35,700 but over time I kind of thought You know, one of the upside down 1342 01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:39,000 is not actually stuck. What if this was just vecna 1343 01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:44,600 trapping Nancy because you know after immediately after this he 1344 01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:48,100 gets her but then I'm like I don't really know because if 1345 01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:50,600 that were the case they kind of would have told us that but 1346 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,400 since the doctors have said yeah we're gonna learn the answers to 1347 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,500 do all that and season 5 I'm kind of drawn that theory to the 1348 01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:06,800 Wayside but um this is probably Only, you know, other than the 1349 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,700 the big bang reveal this one was probably my favorite scene in 1350 01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:16,400 this episode because it was definitely wait way out of left 1351 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,700 field. Like I did not see this one 1352 01:27:19,700 --> 01:27:22,000 coming. I was like oh my gosh another 1353 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,300 layer another yet. Unexplained unanswered question. 1354 01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,500 But you know it's intriguing and it's interesting. 1355 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:39,900 And I loved it. And that's why we decided to 1356 01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:42,400 have this scene. Be our last scene that we're 1357 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,300 going to talk about today on part 3 because we wanted to go 1358 01:27:46,300 --> 01:27:51,200 out with a bang on this because there's we got a lot of others. 1359 01:27:51,300 --> 01:27:55,700 You know big stuff coming up because we get the light bright 1360 01:27:55,700 --> 01:27:59,500 scene after this which is really amazing but we're going to save 1361 01:27:59,500 --> 01:28:05,200 that for next time. Jasmine you have Any final 1362 01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:09,100 thoughts on this scene or any other seen that. 1363 01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:14,400 We've talked about today and then after that, I will give my 1364 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,700 answer to today's essential question Jasmine. 1365 01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,300 Alrighty. Yeah. 1366 01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:25,900 I think again, this is the other big twist in the episode and so 1367 01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:29,000 I think that's why this scene probably had the most changes. 1368 01:28:29,500 --> 01:28:31,000 You can tell. I think they did change a lot 1369 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,800 kind of the day off when they were doing this. 1370 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,700 I think partly because the Or they wanted to get it right? 1371 01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,600 But partly they wanted to kind of finalize what they were 1372 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,200 drawing our attention to like things I noticed is that the 1373 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:47,100 order of what he points to in the room and what objects you 1374 01:28:47,100 --> 01:28:49,800 point out some of them are the same but some of them have 1375 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,100 changed. Again there's a time you know 1376 01:28:53,100 --> 01:28:55,800 they kind of fix the timeline you know like in the scriptures 1377 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,800 as well that you gave the animal to her cousin Joanna, two years 1378 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:04,100 ago, the same time, her identity program but in this unit, You 1379 01:29:04,108 --> 01:29:08,800 just as I gave this, you don't because I'm Joanna, the parts 1380 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:12,800 about the timeline where she picks up the diary that's in the 1381 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,500 final verdict, but not in the script. 1382 01:29:14,500 --> 01:29:17,200 I think they put that there to carbon explain it to the 1383 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:18,800 audience, I feel, they went to film this there. 1384 01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:24,000 Realize, oh we're not giving the audience enough to, to go off 1385 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,300 of. So I'm really glad that they may 1386 01:29:25,300 --> 01:29:27,800 change the scene. So for us, the reviewer, we can 1387 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:33,800 understand where things are at. I think that was a good change. 1388 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,600 Pause. Well other we got more static 1389 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:41,300 content out of the updated seen. Also, they give us the exact 1390 01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:44,900 date when the upside down Frozen, were the script doesn't? 1391 01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,600 So we see the exact date in writing, we see Nancy talked 1392 01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,600 about, she talks about the timeline, you know, we kind of 1393 01:29:52,608 --> 01:29:56,700 get a clearer picture as much as we can and something I really 1394 01:29:56,700 --> 01:30:02,900 good change that they made. Is that in the script Nancy. 1395 01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:07,300 He's a photo of her and Steve and said she threw it out three 1396 01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:11,800 years ago. One that time on is off to what 1397 01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,300 I read that line in the script I'm like I'm glad they kind of 1398 01:30:14,300 --> 01:30:17,000 that because that's like I'm makes no sense because even the 1399 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,000 give me one thing it's The Break-Up in her and Steve was 1400 01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,300 really acrimonious thing but it wasn't like Steve was the 1401 01:30:24,300 --> 01:30:28,800 kindest about it could possibly be basically gave her his 1402 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,700 Blessing. Not to me it wasn't an 1403 01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:34,200 acrimonious split like you know they didn't hang out after But 1404 01:30:34,208 --> 01:30:36,400 they stayed friends. So throwing out. 1405 01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,100 A photo is something you do in Anger. 1406 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,000 Also, this is the 1980s. This is a time period and 1407 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,000 younger people who understand this, but this is a time period, 1408 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,500 where like, if you got rid of something, it was gone forever. 1409 01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:50,000 There was no getting it back. Like, you couldn't just reprint 1410 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,500 the photo. Like, and from the first names 1411 01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:55,600 you can, we do see a lot of, a lot of those photos were like 1412 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,800 Photo Booth photo booth photos and stuff. 1413 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,800 So, I read that, I was like, that makes absolutely no sense 1414 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,200 data that should be like, I'm so mad about this completely Lie 1415 01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:09,100 like, you know, amicable breakup, I'm gonna throw out 1416 01:31:09,100 --> 01:31:12,700 this photo that I can never get back that made no sense. 1417 01:31:12,700 --> 01:31:15,200 And I feel like that must have come out when they were doing 1418 01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:20,100 the rewrites the day of and the command, like you break up with 1419 01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:23,600 somebody came from my own experience like, you know, you 1420 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,300 put that stuff away, you don't throw it out unless it was a 1421 01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:32,100 really like, unless it was like, a really acrimonious split from 1422 01:31:32,100 --> 01:31:34,000 that, they change. X deadline didn't really know. 1423 01:31:34,100 --> 01:31:35,800 Make any sense. I think they were just kind of 1424 01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:38,500 spitballing. What how they were going to show 1425 01:31:38,500 --> 01:31:46,200 this and I think the final version the final version makes 1426 01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,800 more sense and it connects kind of the fries and we'll and the 1427 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,800 gate and Stevens relationship and also like they're also 1428 01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,000 trying to explain it to Eddie and he's super confused but I 1429 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,100 think they like Eddie kind of stands in for the audience 1430 01:31:58,100 --> 01:32:02,000 there. And then getting to the end of 1431 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,900 the scene, when they come back downstairs, Steve, I love the 1432 01:32:05,907 --> 01:32:10,100 description in the script. It says Steve looks like an 1433 01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:12,900 angry man yelling at the sky or something. 1434 01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,900 What are you trying to like communicate with Dustin? 1435 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:21,900 I love that. Um, and I also like when I think 1436 01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:25,100 clearly did this for comedy and it's once again a direction, 1437 01:32:25,100 --> 01:32:28,700 this was clearly a direction of the day of because in the script 1438 01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,200 like they have like Steve looks like an angry man yelling, this 1439 01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:35,100 guy or something and then literally right after that the 1440 01:32:35,100 --> 01:32:38,200 following moment, every desk in here, Dustin, but in the final 1441 01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:43,100 version Steve's yelling and there's a beat in which all the 1442 01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:46,200 other characters are looking at them and being like did he 1443 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,000 really get rabies like because I can't hear anything? 1444 01:32:49,300 --> 01:32:52,800 And then it's a full beat and then they hear him. 1445 01:32:52,900 --> 01:32:55,000 So that was always important for creating value. 1446 01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:00,100 I thought that works super well. Like, that is like, that was 1447 01:33:00,100 --> 01:33:02,300 hilarious. And you got to see, like the 1448 01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:05,800 concern, like, at first, and he was like, what the heck are you 1449 01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:07,800 doing Ben? And then, you can see where 1450 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:09,600 heard Robin started to get concerned. 1451 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,800 There went from like, dude, what are you doing to being like, Oh 1452 01:33:11,808 --> 01:33:15,200 my God, stay actually have rabies like, oh my God, and they 1453 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:18,800 hear Dustin and they're like, okay, it's not, it's not him, 1454 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,600 he's okay. And then again, this is just 1455 01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,900 what happened with will when he was down here. 1456 01:33:27,300 --> 01:33:31,000 You know, there you go. Let's go figure out how to 1457 01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,900 communicate with him. Via the lights just like Joyce. 1458 01:33:35,500 --> 01:33:38,500 Yeah, exactly. Wholly. 1459 01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,900 Different other scene which we would definitely get to a bitch. 1460 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:46,500 Absolutely. My final thoughts of, this are 1461 01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:49,100 something I noticed is that Steve and Nancy. 1462 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,700 Are much more of a team when trying to get the lights to 1463 01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:54,800 work, like, in the script. That's not the case. 1464 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,400 Everybody is trying to get the lights to work. 1465 01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:00,000 Whereas in the final version, Steven NCR a team, like they 1466 01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:02,500 both realize what the other one is talking about and they're 1467 01:34:02,500 --> 01:34:05,400 like, okay, let's get these lights to work. 1468 01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,300 I'll try this. Which try this, whereas Robin 1469 01:34:08,300 --> 01:34:11,300 and Eddie or crime standing backwards makes again. 1470 01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:13,600 I think they treat us because that made more sense of the 1471 01:34:13,608 --> 01:34:19,200 final version Robin, and Eddie don't have the experience that 1472 01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,500 He and Steve do, but they've seen how the lights work on, the 1473 01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:26,100 right side up, they both know. And so then be more of a team, I 1474 01:34:26,108 --> 01:34:29,000 think made sense because you have two people who are coming 1475 01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,800 from the same place of understanding. 1476 01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,100 And then you have, you know, they have a history, they were 1477 01:34:34,100 --> 01:34:37,200 in a relationship, they've stayed friends and you have two 1478 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:38,900 people. One of whom has some experience, 1479 01:34:38,900 --> 01:34:42,300 one of whom has none. It makes more sense for them to 1480 01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:45,200 kind of hang back and kind of take Nancy and Steve's lead 1481 01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:46,700 because they have more experience. 1482 01:34:46,900 --> 01:34:48,900 They are a team. They are united. 1483 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,600 Robin has obviously like extremely stressed out and 1484 01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,600 scared Eddie's like doesn't know what the hell's going on. 1485 01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,400 So I think in those kind of situations, you look to people 1486 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,100 who know more, you look to that calm presence and Nancy as he 1487 01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:05,800 really provided that like joint leadership throughout their 1488 01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,200 storyline and throughout the season. 1489 01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,700 So I thought it was a really great addition because it played 1490 01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:13,300 out there because chemistry really well and it makes like I 1491 01:35:13,300 --> 01:35:15,700 think that group dynamic makes a lot more sense in the final 1492 01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:18,900 version and the script version, the script version I think 1493 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,600 Giving Robin and Eddie, you know, what they're comfortable, 1494 01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:27,000 like a level of comfort that I don't think they would actually 1495 01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:32,400 have 0, and this is something I just, I just loved. 1496 01:35:32,500 --> 01:35:37,500 So, in the script, the shimmering lights is a lamp. 1497 01:35:37,900 --> 01:35:41,200 But in the final version, It's a light fixture which was a good 1498 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,100 call, because that looks so much cooler. 1499 01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,200 But never reaching up to the light fixture of the dining room 1500 01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:49,000 table, so much cooler than a random lamp on the table. 1501 01:35:49,300 --> 01:35:53,400 Like so much cooler hundred percent cooler, like that to me, 1502 01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,000 feels like they got on set and they were like, oh, you know 1503 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,200 what, we could do this or they do. 1504 01:35:58,200 --> 01:35:59,900 They try to where the lamp and they were like, wow. 1505 01:35:59,900 --> 01:36:05,800 That looks like. Yeah, exactly. 1506 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:11,200 So on that note, I will give my answer to the today's essential 1507 01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:14,400 question and then we'll get you guys out of here. 1508 01:36:14,900 --> 01:36:23,000 So if if the what happened In episode 9 with you know the 1509 01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,100 vapor revealed vecna formed. What? 1510 01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:30,300 We know as the mine fire I would have been like yeah it's very 1511 01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:34,300 possible that the mine fire is controlling vecna he just 1512 01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:36,900 doesn't, you know, realize it yet. 1513 01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:41,600 But considering that that scene isn't there? 1514 01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:47,200 In apparently Henry, Krill has has had that within him since he 1515 01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:51,800 was a child draw. Drawing pictures that looked 1516 01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:56,700 exactly like that figure when he was 12 years old and the attic 1517 01:36:56,700 --> 01:37:01,800 of his home. I've think I think that Nina is 1518 01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:08,700 definitely the one who formed the spider monster Shadow Magic. 1519 01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:14,000 Whatever you want to call him on fire and he is in control of it. 1520 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,600 I think you know that's why I mean I think that's what really 1521 01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,700 connects. To the hive mind everything and 1522 01:37:21,700 --> 01:37:27,900 why he is, I think it's helped him be even more powerful 1523 01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:32,900 because there's all sorts of energy within that cloud that we 1524 01:37:32,900 --> 01:37:38,100 see when he formed the Mind flayer. 1525 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,800 But if you know, I also could see a Frankenstein situation 1526 01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:47,700 here in that. The real monster was the doctor 1527 01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:52,000 Frankenstein who created. Dad the monster that everyone 1528 01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,900 thinks is Frankenstein, but it's really not. 1529 01:37:53,900 --> 01:37:59,600 That's the doctor. So I'm not going to rewind. 1530 01:37:59,700 --> 01:38:04,100 You'll just have to really listen to this explanation for 1531 01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:08,400 that. But yeah, that's my, that's my 1532 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,600 take on it. So I don't think that Dustin was 1533 01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:16,800 incorrect nor do I think he was correct, but I do think he was 1534 01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:22,100 very much on to something. Obviously, we just didn't, you 1535 01:38:22,100 --> 01:38:27,400 know, get anything on screen of 11 telling him and everybody 1536 01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:33,500 else. What vecna told her about what 1537 01:38:33,500 --> 01:38:38,600 happened, once he got down to the upside down, if she bandaged 1538 01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,500 him. So, I think that will be 1539 01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:44,700 something that they're going to save till next season for them 1540 01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:49,100 all to come together and have discussions on this too. 1541 01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:55,000 Phil to feel everyone in. So once again, thanks everyone 1542 01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,800 for joining us today. Jasmine. 1543 01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:03,100 I as always had a blast talking about this and hope stay tuned 1544 01:39:03,100 --> 01:39:06,100 for next time because you know, we're definitely going to get to 1545 01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:09,800 the light bright scene. And although you know as much as 1546 01:39:09,808 --> 01:39:15,200 we can until we get to probably what everyone really enjoys 1547 01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:19,100 about this episode is the big reveal that vecna is Henry is 1548 01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:24,600 One. So with that this is Ashley and 1549 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,300 Jasmine saying thanks again everyone for joining us and 1550 01:39:29,300 --> 01:39:34,400 we'll see you guys next time and overran doubtful over now.