1 00:00:12,870 --> 00:00:14,880 Welcome to studying law Around the world. 2 00:00:15,010 --> 00:00:17,860 I'm Claudio Claus. In each episode, I talk with 3 00:00:17,870 --> 00:00:20,840 lawyers, law students, and professors from different parts 4 00:00:20,850 --> 00:00:24,740 of the world to talk about legal education, careers, and what the 5 00:00:24,750 --> 00:00:26,420 profession looks like in real life. 6 00:00:26,430 --> 00:00:29,470 We talk about the hard parts, the surprises and the decisions. 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,259 That shaped their paths. Whether you're planning to study 8 00:00:32,270 --> 00:00:35,520 abroad, thinking about working in another legal system, or just 9 00:00:35,530 --> 00:00:39,640 curious about how law works around the world, this podcast 10 00:00:39,650 --> 00:00:45,960 is for you. 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Today I have the opportunity to 32 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,910 speak with Adriana Guerra, who is a leader and a very 33 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,910 influential personality in the LM world. 34 00:02:05,970 --> 00:02:10,949 In the US, she is the assistant director at Mcgeorge School of 35 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,890 Law. She supports the LLM SJD. 36 00:02:13,900 --> 00:02:17,110 In exchange, students from around the world helping them 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,850 should advocate their academic and professional journeys into 38 00:02:19,860 --> 00:02:22,470 US. She's a Mac George alum, She's 39 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,990 also a Brazilian trained lawyer, and she brings deep knowledge, 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,190 care in a global perspective to everything she does. 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,310 Today. I wanted to really thank you so 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,280 much for being here with us today, Adriana. 43 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:38,150 Thank you for having me sharing my story not only as the 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,860 Assistant Director, Michael School of Law with International 45 00:02:40,870 --> 00:02:46,940 programs, but also a a view or share my experience as a former 46 00:02:46,990 --> 00:02:50,360 LLM student at Mcgeorge. So thank you for the invitation. 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,970 Absolutely. And I wanted you to talk with 48 00:02:53,980 --> 00:02:58,020 you today because I saw that Mac George is soon launching a new 49 00:02:58,030 --> 00:03:02,100 LM program in the US Law and Policy, and that's going to be 50 00:03:02,110 --> 00:03:05,060 an online program. So I wanted to hear all about 51 00:03:05,070 --> 00:03:06,700 it. Can you tell our listeners a 52 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:09,000 little bit to start our conversation today? 53 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:14,320 Trading news especially because there is a need, there is a 54 00:03:14,330 --> 00:03:18,440 growing need in response to these are now launching the US 55 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:22,380 law and policy reality. Just to give a context of our 56 00:03:22,390 --> 00:03:26,240 school Metro School of Law and LLM program specifically. 57 00:03:26,300 --> 00:03:30,490 We've been working with the LM for over 30 years and we have 58 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:37,400 had successful with the LM in warm water in environmental law 59 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:41,500 online, which we already have a successful business model. 60 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:45,140 Their business experience that has been working for many 61 00:03:45,210 --> 00:03:48,810 international lawyers who are unable to come to the United 62 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:53,640 States to study. So the idea is to provide those 63 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:56,930 lawyers was professionals, legal professionals, because not only 64 00:03:56,940 --> 00:04:01,450 for lawyers, but also for scholars, even for exchange 65 00:04:01,460 --> 00:04:05,470 program in a way that wants to have that exposure to the US a 66 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,270 lot. This would be a very good option 67 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,710 to gain the knowledge about U.S. law, the US jurisdiction. 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,990 We know that we have lawyers from all over the world, even 69 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,269 from civil law countries like Brazil and many others that want 70 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,970 to learn more about how the common law system works and the 71 00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:27,930 US jurisdictions and the court system. 72 00:04:27,940 --> 00:04:33,430 So there is a lot of knowledge how they can acquire online, 73 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:39,080 including the the the policies and cross litigation depending 74 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:40,760 on the country they are coming from. 75 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:43,720 And if there is any sort of interaction with the United 76 00:04:43,730 --> 00:04:47,460 States, they would be able to access all this information 77 00:04:47,470 --> 00:04:50,880 without having to relocate to the United States for a full 78 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:53,980 time or in person class. In other words, you know, this 79 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:58,460 is actually idea for lawyers, lawyers that are also working in 80 00:04:58,470 --> 00:05:03,280 government agencies back home. We have had several lawyers that 81 00:05:03,330 --> 00:05:07,220 are working for their governments that want to have 82 00:05:07,230 --> 00:05:12,680 the access to the US policy and law making in order to better 83 00:05:12,690 --> 00:05:18,340 their own system to compare or to have another tool to probably 84 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:22,690 find other options for resolutions of certain legal 85 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:26,270 issues that are coming up. In fact, with technology, 86 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:29,670 intellectual property, there's so much going on in that area of 87 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,510 law that is innovating every single day. 88 00:05:32,660 --> 00:05:37,110 So having that, that gateway, that ability to learn more about 89 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:41,710 a jurisdiction that is focusing on innovation where we're here 90 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,720 in Sacramento, the capital of California. 91 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:48,310 So we are watching very closely how the laws are being made, how 92 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,010 the lobbyists are working in order to produce new laws. 93 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:55,970 So that gives not only those lawyers work in government 94 00:05:55,980 --> 00:06:00,430 agencies, but also for those who work for non governmental 95 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,150 organizations. Again, policy making across the 96 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,910 border, law firms at large, international organizations that 97 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:14,060 engage with U.S. law, or another important point here, those who 98 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:18,130 need to interpret the US policies within their 99 00:06:18,140 --> 00:06:21,180 jurisdiction. Due to all this globalization, 100 00:06:21,190 --> 00:06:25,220 all this cross litigation among these countries with the United 101 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:29,180 States being able to interpret the law to understand how it is 102 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:32,140 applied. Again, black letter law, there's 103 00:06:32,150 --> 00:06:35,820 always that Gray area open for interpretation. 104 00:06:35,870 --> 00:06:39,400 So we are trying to make sure that those students have access 105 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:43,480 to that bigger conversation to best prepare themselves to 106 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:47,640 represent to their clients, their law firms or even out of 107 00:06:47,650 --> 00:06:51,640 curiosity, as far as, you know, negotiations and arbitrations 108 00:06:51,650 --> 00:06:55,190 and other ways to solve global legal issues. 109 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,390 So it's open to all, especially for those who are busy lawyers, 110 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,870 not being able to take a leave of absence, depending on where 111 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,730 you work to be here, but also want to acquire the knowledge. 112 00:07:08,780 --> 00:07:12,070 So it's the the cost benefit. We'll talk more about it, but 113 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,610 it's also cheaper. It's more accessible in a way 114 00:07:15,660 --> 00:07:21,250 for those who are unable to have that time or the finances in 115 00:07:21,260 --> 00:07:25,110 alignment to be able to be here. But can you still get the the 116 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,610 benefits of the knowledge that is needed for their expansion of 117 00:07:29,620 --> 00:07:33,090 their careers? Thank you so much for sharing 118 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:37,000 that. And as a former alumni from an 119 00:07:37,010 --> 00:07:41,090 LLM program, I wanted to ask you as well if there is a few things 120 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:45,000 that you would point out as unique features or experiences 121 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:49,790 that the LLM Online provides that may be set it apart from 122 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,180 the traditional in-person LM. You did mention already the 123 00:07:53,250 --> 00:07:58,240 accessibility and access to it, both in the financial term, but 124 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:01,400 also the way that you don't need to worry about relocating and 125 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:03,540 all of that. But I wanted to know what else 126 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:06,300 is there you know for somebody looking for this experience. 127 00:08:06,310 --> 00:08:08,800 Why should I do an LLM Online? Great question. 128 00:08:08,810 --> 00:08:11,980 And that's the dilemma of the $1 million question, right? 129 00:08:12,050 --> 00:08:18,790 So it's all about #1 flexibility #2 customization and those are 130 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,350 the 2 main items that meet your career goals. 131 00:08:22,420 --> 00:08:25,680 So it's not for everybody. In fact, to be very honest with 132 00:08:25,690 --> 00:08:28,970 you, you need to ask yourself, do I enjoy? 133 00:08:28,980 --> 00:08:32,590 Is it something that really motivates in being an online 134 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,950 class? Because obviously it's a 135 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,210 different format than an in person experience. 136 00:08:37,220 --> 00:08:40,710 The knowledge is still there. It's the interaction that is 137 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,790 really, I would say, challenging for some but appreciated by 138 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,050 others. So you needed to number one, 139 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:52,090 check within your ability to stay connected and engaged in 140 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:56,010 the class and online classes. But the important thing is to is 141 00:08:56,020 --> 00:09:01,960 #1 understand your needs #2 how can you elevate, maximize the 142 00:09:01,970 --> 00:09:05,480 knowledge, the exposure that you're having while you're back 143 00:09:05,490 --> 00:09:07,340 home? I'll give you an example, real 144 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:09,640 example that makes it very appealing. 145 00:09:09,690 --> 00:09:14,180 Some lawyers or legal professionals that intend to 146 00:09:14,260 --> 00:09:17,880 take the California bar, for example, I'm saying California. 147 00:09:17,890 --> 00:09:22,400 But please folks do know that depending on your background and 148 00:09:22,410 --> 00:09:26,360 desire to also practice law in different states, you may. 149 00:09:26,370 --> 00:09:29,820 I'm going to say may because every case is different in needs 150 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:32,800 to be analyzed differently. But you may be able to also sit 151 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:35,560 for the New York bar, for example, which is one of the 152 00:09:35,650 --> 00:09:39,520 most competitive California, New York or other jurisdiction 153 00:09:39,530 --> 00:09:42,400 another state. So for those who are interested 154 00:09:42,410 --> 00:09:47,820 in pursuing that pathway, being able to have the ability to take 155 00:09:47,830 --> 00:09:53,460 some of the classes that are tested on the bar exam is a huge 156 00:09:53,470 --> 00:09:55,840 advantage. OK, I'll just give you an 157 00:09:55,850 --> 00:09:59,120 example. We offer here with the US loan 158 00:09:59,130 --> 00:10:02,660 policy contracts. That's one of the subjects that 159 00:10:02,670 --> 00:10:04,720 starts on the California bar exam. 160 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,300 New York as well. About New York, there is, I'm 161 00:10:07,310 --> 00:10:10,640 going to make it here a note that in New York jurisdiction, 162 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:14,150 they do not recognize the online class, which is the distance 163 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,040 that distant learning. So I just want to note that and 164 00:10:18,050 --> 00:10:22,180 we can explore more if needed. But for those who are thinking 165 00:10:22,190 --> 00:10:25,720 about California specifically, contracts, wheels and trust, 166 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,500 that's another subject test in the bar exam, business 167 00:10:29,510 --> 00:10:33,590 organization, environmental law, not the environmental law, not 168 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,230 tested, it's an elective. But just to give you an example 169 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,310 of how you can mix, maximize, but also pick and choose those 170 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,610 classes that is of your interest. 171 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:48,170 So you have the bar test subjects as well as elective 172 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:53,130 classes that depending on your area of law, you absolutely can 173 00:10:53,140 --> 00:10:55,630 customize for the elective classes. 174 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,930 Just to give you an example, the flexibility survey of 175 00:10:58,940 --> 00:11:01,850 international property. So those who are in the 176 00:11:01,860 --> 00:11:06,190 international or intellectual property arena, they can pick 177 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,710 and choose the class, those classes that you would benefit 178 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,640 them. Evidence is a bar tested class 179 00:11:12,650 --> 00:11:16,760 that you can also take online legal English, not a bar tested. 180 00:11:16,770 --> 00:11:20,900 However, I'll tell you, I personally took that class many 181 00:11:20,910 --> 00:11:24,800 years ago when I did my LLM. It was very foundational class, 182 00:11:24,990 --> 00:11:28,640 not only helped me with developing the writing, 183 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:31,520 speaking, but also the legal terminology. 184 00:11:31,530 --> 00:11:34,980 So it's a foundational class that we hear over and over, 185 00:11:34,990 --> 00:11:38,760 which is a supporting classes for those whose language, whose 186 00:11:38,770 --> 00:11:42,460 English you know, any language is not first language is not 187 00:11:42,470 --> 00:11:45,060 English. So definitely a support for 188 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:49,220 those in that situation and introduction to legal analysis, 189 00:11:49,290 --> 00:11:53,420 learning more about the sources of law and the way the Americans 190 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:57,400 really right their memos and how they communicate in the work 191 00:11:57,410 --> 00:12:00,640 environment. So all all this to say that you 192 00:12:00,650 --> 00:12:04,240 have the flexibility and the ability to customize the 193 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:08,350 classes, whether they are bar tested or they are electives 194 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,380 that will help you to maximize your career, you have the 195 00:12:12,390 --> 00:12:16,500 ability to do so. The other benefit is the cost. 196 00:12:16,510 --> 00:12:20,520 The cost benefit, since you are taking the online classes, there 197 00:12:20,530 --> 00:12:24,070 will be certain fees that will not apply to you. 198 00:12:24,270 --> 00:12:27,940 And I'll give an example. So medical insurance, you're not 199 00:12:27,950 --> 00:12:29,230 here. You don't need to prove that. 200 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,700 And that's a big chunk of money that you save because it's a 201 00:12:33,770 --> 00:12:38,950 mandatory fee that the institution requires, some other 202 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,370 small fees that the institution would be charging that in person 203 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:47,190 class, it would not be applied for the online class, which 204 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,330 means which translates that financially. 205 00:12:50,390 --> 00:12:54,870 It would definitely open more doors for those who have some 206 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,050 limitation. So in other words, you can 207 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,680 choose the classes, you can choose how many semesters you're 208 00:13:02,690 --> 00:13:06,290 going to be dedicating. There's not a specific number, 209 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:10,490 minimum or maximum number of the classes. 210 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:16,080 As long as you completed the 24 units, you can spread as long as 211 00:13:16,090 --> 00:13:20,340 you comply, of course with other requirements, you are within the 212 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:23,180 successful pathway for the LLM program. 213 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:27,220 So there is flexibility. Of course, you will meet if your 214 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:32,340 academic advisor to discuss class choices, to discuss career 215 00:13:32,350 --> 00:13:35,460 approach and how you can maximize those classes to 216 00:13:35,470 --> 00:13:38,260 support you to elevate in your career. 217 00:13:38,310 --> 00:13:43,540 For those who are really looking forward to utilizing the LLM 218 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:49,100 online to elevate the career to learn more about the law course 219 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:53,040 and the public and policy exposure, including the 220 00:13:53,050 --> 00:13:57,060 government law and policy making that there are specific classes 221 00:13:57,070 --> 00:14:01,480 that you can take that will help you to build your own knowledge 222 00:14:01,550 --> 00:14:04,730 and it will translate really well for the type of work that 223 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:07,410 you're doing. Just some example for you to 224 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:11,070 start thinking about like legislature lawmaking. 225 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:12,950 As I mentioned, we are hearing Sacramento. 226 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,450 So we really have full access to how the laws are made in the 227 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:21,130 process of law making and the reason behind it, right? 228 00:14:21,140 --> 00:14:23,910 This is the why. Why is this being created? 229 00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:28,040 And there is so much learning in that aspect, the executive 230 00:14:28,050 --> 00:14:33,570 branch, how this is works here in the United States compared to 231 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,950 the, the, the jurisdiction that you're coming from. 232 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,210 So comparative law, international law, those are 233 00:14:39,260 --> 00:14:44,160 areas of law that you can focus even an online format where you 234 00:14:44,170 --> 00:14:46,820 have the exposure to the knowledge as well has the 235 00:14:46,830 --> 00:14:50,050 ability to, and we're going to talk more about it about it. 236 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:54,110 But the access to the faculty that is teaching those classes, 237 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,980 the knowledge, the networking, it's all there for you. 238 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,530 The only difference is that online format. 239 00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:03,730 And we'll talk more about how to stay engaged because that's the 240 00:15:03,740 --> 00:15:07,330 thing, right? To stay motivated because I 241 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:10,910 promise you'll be intellectually a challenge. 242 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,150 It's a challenge. It's a very rigorous program, 243 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,630 but it's spaced according to your needs, according to your 244 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,000 availability. And this is all discussed prior 245 00:15:21,010 --> 00:15:24,510 to the beginning of your classes to make sure that the the 246 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,470 transition is, is smooth as possible and to make sure that 247 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,390 you are engaged, to make sure that are integrated and to make 248 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,700 sure that you belong to Mcgeorge family. 249 00:15:34,770 --> 00:15:38,220 Because even with the distance, we are still able, thank God, to 250 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:41,740 this technology to stay connected in so many levels. 251 00:15:41,820 --> 00:15:44,560 Absolutely fantastic. And since you, since you 252 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:47,300 mentioned that, let's let's dive into that a little bit. 253 00:15:47,310 --> 00:15:51,280 And let me ask you then, how is the university, how is the 254 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:55,570 faculty wanting to ensure that students are shoe connected, 255 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:58,710 that they can sue, you know, meet people, that they can talk 256 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,960 with their fellow students in a way that is still meaningful, 257 00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:04,360 even with, you know, the, the possible challenges of 258 00:16:04,370 --> 00:16:07,260 technology are, are also the advancements and, and with the 259 00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:10,490 helpful resources we have now, As for example, we're recording 260 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:12,880 this podcast right now. Unfortunately, I'm not in 261 00:16:12,890 --> 00:16:17,220 California as we speak. They're welcome to join us, come 262 00:16:17,230 --> 00:16:19,670 and visit. Yeah, so, so I'd like, I'd love 263 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,230 to hear a little more about, you know, the, the networking aspect 264 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,930 of it and the contact with faculty. 265 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,710 Yes, and again, meaningful interaction is key. 266 00:16:27,810 --> 00:16:31,290 It's essential that the students feel connected, that they 267 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:33,830 belong, they are part of the family, right? 268 00:16:33,900 --> 00:16:38,500 So in order to do that, there have been so many ways to make 269 00:16:38,510 --> 00:16:41,850 that interaction meaningful. I'll give you some examples. 270 00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:46,200 So we do offer live online sessions not only for the 271 00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:49,950 lectures but also for questions and answers, the famous Q&A. 272 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:54,020 Again, it's just so important to be connected and to hear from 273 00:16:54,030 --> 00:16:57,550 the faculty that is supporting you throughout your journey. 274 00:16:58,010 --> 00:17:01,700 Also live discussions right there will be set a time and a 275 00:17:01,710 --> 00:17:05,420 day where there will be a theme or a copy that will be discussed 276 00:17:05,430 --> 00:17:08,630 for those who are not available, you know, of course, they can't 277 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,480 access the recording later on, but I want to make sure that 278 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:16,260 students carve some time because this is also a priority to be 279 00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:21,560 able to see, you know, online your classmates and interaction 280 00:17:21,609 --> 00:17:26,440 is definitely a very important. Also regular faculty office 281 00:17:26,450 --> 00:17:29,180 hours. Super important to have that 282 00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:33,690 one-on-one conversation with your professor to maximize the 283 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:38,440 relationship, to learn from the experts in the area, to feel 284 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:41,880 comfortable to you ask her question and also build that 285 00:17:41,890 --> 00:17:45,780 connection. Remember, networking is key for 286 00:17:45,790 --> 00:17:50,120 so many things, right? And even talking to a faculty, 287 00:17:50,130 --> 00:17:54,380 there's so much value in there, not only for the career spec, 288 00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:58,070 but also, you know, a letter of recommendation in the future, 289 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,780 right? You, you really maximize that 290 00:18:00,790 --> 00:18:03,460 relationship. I think it's important to also 291 00:18:03,470 --> 00:18:06,720 build on that. We also offer the peer-to-peer 292 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:10,000 breakout rooms. So you also can work and 293 00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:13,200 shouldn't be working with your classmates to establish that 294 00:18:13,210 --> 00:18:17,100 bond and also to share. We learn so much about sharing 295 00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:20,760 by listening and by also sharing our explanations, especially 296 00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:24,570 because imagine lawyers, professional legal professionals 297 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:30,910 all over the world together sharing how certain things are 298 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,500 resolved in their home countries. 299 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:38,370 So you learn so much from others because it's all depending on 300 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:42,100 the the culture or their religion or the source of law, 301 00:18:42,190 --> 00:18:44,460 the common law or combination of both. 302 00:18:44,530 --> 00:18:48,650 So there's so many layers that you can't really teach unless 303 00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:52,040 you are exposed to that type of audience. 304 00:18:52,110 --> 00:18:54,270 We also have online discussion boards. 305 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,920 There's always that interaction with other students and also to 306 00:18:58,930 --> 00:19:03,190 hear and to see how they think, how they solve problems, which 307 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,360 is again, a learning opportunity for us curious litigators, 308 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:10,530 professionals that were thinking, trying to think 309 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:14,500 outside the box and being creative, utilizing solutions 310 00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:16,390 that you may have not thought about. 311 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,990 And you know, it may not be common in your country on your 312 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,070 area of law. And all students will be 313 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,160 participating and they're eligible to participate in these 314 00:19:25,170 --> 00:19:29,170 student network events, online events, it in person. 315 00:19:29,180 --> 00:19:31,890 If you have the ability to come and visit, to come and 316 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:33,870 participate on the events, please do so. 317 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,920 We'll be no more than half to welcome you and provide you all 318 00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:41,310 the information necessary to provide you with that experience 319 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:45,230 in person as well. And lastly, but not least 320 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,530 important, students are eligible or invited to all lectures, 321 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:55,660 workshops, events, panels that the law school offers to all 322 00:19:55,670 --> 00:19:57,860 students. Whether you are in person, 323 00:19:58,070 --> 00:20:01,640 whether you're online, you have access to those events. 324 00:20:01,650 --> 00:20:05,220 So we'll be sharing with you. And then you of course can 325 00:20:05,230 --> 00:20:09,330 schedule accordingly to your availability, but you do have 326 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:11,940 access to those those events. Incredible. 327 00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:14,600 Sounds like a lot of effort has been made to make sure that 328 00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:17,720 everybody is included and they don't miss out on all of that. 329 00:20:17,790 --> 00:20:21,040 But it also sounds like you can still have a career while you do 330 00:20:21,050 --> 00:20:23,160 it. So I find that very, very 331 00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:25,920 interesting. And I, I got curious here too, 332 00:20:26,130 --> 00:20:29,010 you know, for international students who are I believe are 333 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:33,300 the main public for these LM who have never studied in the US or 334 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:37,230 are not very familiar with it, how does this align format also 335 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,310 help them to adjust to learning about this system? 336 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:42,830 Great question. I love it because let's be 337 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,030 honest, it's challenge, right? You're you don't have that 338 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:50,190 one-on-one personal contact. But we have specifically 339 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,190 designed, we put a lot of thought and love into this to 340 00:20:54,580 --> 00:21:00,310 design an international student orientation that include modules 341 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,390 on the structure of the United States, the judicial system, how 342 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,810 to brief and read a case, what to expect in the classroom. 343 00:21:08,900 --> 00:21:12,930 In other words, there are specific times where during the 344 00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:16,610 orientation, we're going to be addressing those #1 questions 345 00:21:16,620 --> 00:21:19,720 that students have coming from different jurisdictions, but 346 00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:24,160 also what type of support that we can provide during the online 347 00:21:24,170 --> 00:21:26,540 journey. O another example, and I 348 00:21:26,550 --> 00:21:29,500 mentioned earlier about the legal English class, which I'm a 349 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:34,480 big fan of because again, gives us international professionals 350 00:21:34,550 --> 00:21:37,880 the ability to improve our English and the writing and 351 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:42,910 speaking and the way we think, the way we write, the way they 352 00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:45,760 are here in the United States, communicate with very different 353 00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:49,420 from Brazil, I'll tell you in terms of the style of writing. 354 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:51,620 So it's a very fun class, I think. 355 00:21:51,670 --> 00:21:56,400 But this is, you know, it's a, it's a support students to be 356 00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:59,820 present, to be comfortable in their first class, even if 357 00:21:59,830 --> 00:22:03,360 English is not their first language, you know, so you're 358 00:22:03,370 --> 00:22:06,930 going to be improving the speaking, the legal terminology 359 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:09,670 and feel confident to communicate. 360 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,090 Our faculty is used to teaching international students. 361 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,110 They are very aware of the needs of the international audience 362 00:22:18,120 --> 00:22:22,270 and they are ready to provide context clarification. 363 00:22:22,340 --> 00:22:24,850 Remember, we are all coming from different jurisdictions are 364 00:22:24,860 --> 00:22:26,870 countries. We have different accents, we 365 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,570 bring in different background, which makes the LLM program 366 00:22:31,580 --> 00:22:35,760 online very rich because let's be honest, where else in the 367 00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:39,370 world you can meet with professionals from all over the 368 00:22:39,380 --> 00:22:43,110 world with the whole different background and experience that 369 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,260 can be shared with you in an ice cream. 370 00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:49,630 It's very unique in that sense that you don't have to leave 371 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,380 your home for many reasons, but you still have the knowledge and 372 00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:58,140 exposure that you need in order to grow in your career and not 373 00:22:58,150 --> 00:23:00,680 only professionally, but also personally. 374 00:23:00,750 --> 00:23:03,100 They exposure. You know, when we say we travel, 375 00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:07,040 we have an experience, we are really trying to translate this 376 00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:11,920 experience, even if it's online, even if there's not the that 377 00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:15,320 personal touch. It's possible, of course, with a 378 00:23:15,330 --> 00:23:18,940 lot of willingness of the student to participate, to be 379 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:23,570 engaged, you know, and a lot of use of the our technology and 380 00:23:23,580 --> 00:23:27,200 the ability to offer many options for the students to 381 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:30,650 participate. We think they're busy schedules. 382 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:34,590 That's why you have a synchronous classes that it can 383 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,730 be accessed at anytime anywhere in the world and you have a 384 00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:42,090 synchronous classes. That's when there is a time and 385 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,490 a place right on online, on zoo, a time that you're going to be 386 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:50,450 meeting with those professors as well as with your classmates. 387 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,450 So just to give you another example here of the way that we 388 00:23:54,460 --> 00:23:57,690 interact with our students to make sure they experience is as 389 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:01,110 real as possible. I'll give you an example during 390 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,850 the class in person, also online, the professors usually 391 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:07,970 have hypos. What if this, what if that? 392 00:24:08,020 --> 00:24:11,010 In that case, if you're discussing, discussing a case 393 00:24:11,020 --> 00:24:13,740 law and there are different jurisdictions, your professor 394 00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:17,700 will definitely call on you. In other words, they will ask 395 00:24:17,710 --> 00:24:22,720 you to Give your opinion about the case or share the facts, 396 00:24:22,790 --> 00:24:27,520 whether you agree or not with the decision of the judge. 397 00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:30,560 And in that, there's so much learning because you are 398 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:33,920 improvising. You are allowing yourself to 399 00:24:33,970 --> 00:24:36,920 defend your client. If that's the case, to have that 400 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:41,080 ability to create the confidence to share your thoughts, to share 401 00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:44,780 how you are thinking about resolving that specific case. 402 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:48,840 Also, for those that are in the comparative law and learning 403 00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:52,480 more about civil law, the common law system, it's very 404 00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:57,150 interesting to hear from others, including their rationale about 405 00:24:57,220 --> 00:25:01,780 how different jurisdictions would solve certain litigation 406 00:25:01,790 --> 00:25:05,950 or certain legal issues because of the way we approach the law, 407 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,330 the source of law, where is it coming from and why in the past 408 00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:13,110 they have decided like this or like that. 409 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:15,930 You know, you will definitely improve. 410 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,410 You will be engaged, you will be intellectually stimulated to 411 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:24,190 contribute, your expect to contribute, in other words, to 412 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,130 interact and really speak up your mind. 413 00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:32,090 And the more examples, the more you bring into the classroom, 414 00:25:32,150 --> 00:25:36,090 the more everybody rings specific, specifically the one 415 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:38,890 who is talking because you know, you can only teach someone if 416 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:42,030 you really know what this, you know what the knowledge that 417 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,530 you're trying to share with others. 418 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:46,770 So everybody wins. And it's, as I said, it will 419 00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:50,610 become a family and online, a virtual family, but a family 420 00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:54,350 that is going to support each other throughout this journey. 421 00:25:54,460 --> 00:25:57,150 Fantastic. So we've covered how the course 422 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,190 is going to be relayed, how everybody gets access to the 423 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,110 faculty. We covered how networking and 424 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,940 interacting with your colleagues will work. 425 00:26:06,010 --> 00:26:09,470 We also talked about how you know you're you're able to 426 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,050 adjust to learn the US system even if it's your first 427 00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:15,890 experience out of country or first experience in the US 428 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:18,950 specifically. And now I'm also curious about 429 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,700 careers. I know that people do Williams 430 00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:25,080 for a different reason and of course US credentials shoe holds 431 00:26:25,090 --> 00:26:28,040 a lot of value in the world. So I wanted to hear a little 432 00:26:28,050 --> 00:26:31,460 more about, you know, are there some kinds of career supports as 433 00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:34,820 well that will be available to those online LLM students? 434 00:26:34,830 --> 00:26:38,780 Super important piece because let's be honest, you have all 435 00:26:38,790 --> 00:26:42,580 this knowledge you need and want the return on your investment, 436 00:26:42,650 --> 00:26:46,470 right? And one way not only to maximize 437 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,360 your career is to have the support of our career service 438 00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:55,140 office, which is our CSO. They provide one-on-one virtual 439 00:26:55,150 --> 00:27:00,100 advising to our students, resume and cover letter reviews and 440 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:03,980 LinkedIn profile, assistant assistance and interviewing, 441 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:06,970 coaching. And let me say from a former 442 00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:11,510 student perspective, these are so important skills because 443 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,060 again, coming from a different country, a different, you know, 444 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:17,850 crucial system, you really don't know. 445 00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:20,890 How would you know, right, How they do business or 446 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,190 international business. So just to give you an example, 447 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,720 if you were to be interviewed by an American law firm, even if 448 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:31,050 you're working online, there are certain standards that they are 449 00:27:31,060 --> 00:27:34,130 expecting, even including the resume. 450 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,590 Usually it's one page, sometimes 2 pages versus a curriculum 451 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,490 vitae which you could have more, more pages or more explanation 452 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,410 of the projects that you have worked, the things that you have 453 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:50,090 done and accomplished. So small things that really make 454 00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:53,810 the difference to be in accordance with the standard, 455 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:57,550 the practice of standard that is expected from a legal 456 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,150 professional, global legal professional. 457 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,970 So those type of assistance is much, much appreciated. 458 00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:07,390 Virtual alumni networking access. 459 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:13,930 Again, connection, even if it's a known online introduction to a 460 00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:16,510 certain person, a certain profession that you are 461 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,330 interested in connecting, they are here to support. 462 00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:23,490 Our office is here to make that breach between you and the 463 00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:27,490 people that you want to connect. In other words, you have folks 464 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:32,320 access to all the services that are offered to in person 465 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,420 students and anything that you need, including I have to say, 466 00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:41,490 we offer our Wellness services for our students because 467 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:43,940 throughout this journey, it's a challenging journey. 468 00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:46,940 It's a great journey, but it's also very challenging 469 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:52,930 intellectually and mentally, you know, and, and it has sometimes 470 00:28:52,940 --> 00:28:55,500 those, those challenges, especially for those 471 00:28:55,510 --> 00:29:00,240 professionals who are balancing or work life, a professional 472 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:03,480 life, right, a personal life, family. 473 00:29:03,550 --> 00:29:07,700 So you know that you also have the assistance of dedicated 474 00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:11,200 trained professions to support you on your journey. 475 00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:15,430 In other words, you can schedule a counseling appointment to talk 476 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,100 to someone if you're going through some challenges or just 477 00:29:18,110 --> 00:29:21,990 need someone to hear about what it is going on with you mental 478 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,090 health super important. They will remind you of yourself 479 00:29:26,100 --> 00:29:30,130 care again, you spend so much time in front of you know the 480 00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:33,270 monitor while you're working and then you have your online 481 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,610 classes in the evening or no weekends. 482 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,480 You want to make sure that you are enjoying your journey that 483 00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:41,190 you are healthy mentally, physically. 484 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:45,090 There will be also other alternatives events where you 485 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:49,400 can participate as well in terms of orientations and physical 486 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,590 activities you you you can do online as well. 487 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,730 But just to summarize, not only your career which you have full 488 00:29:56,740 --> 00:30:02,520 access, but also other academic and counseling to make sure that 489 00:30:02,530 --> 00:30:07,040 the Wellness is being in check and as well as you are enjoying 490 00:30:07,050 --> 00:30:09,590 the program overall. Fantastic. 491 00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:14,670 And moving forward here, I think I'll probably have one or two 492 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,950 more questions here to finish this podcast today, but I wanted 493 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,520 to ask about chicken specific points here. 494 00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:25,600 So I was wondering if there is any new resources or technology 495 00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:29,300 tools that make George will be using to deliver this program? 496 00:30:29,370 --> 00:30:33,190 Yes, yes, knowledge is evolving day by day, as you all know, and 497 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,410 we're keeping our eye open to make sure that we are up to 498 00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:38,930 date. We are also thinking about new 499 00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:43,180 technology being implemented in the very near future to 500 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:46,240 facilitate access to classes on the go. 501 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:49,400 Whether you are driving your car, you know, carefully driving 502 00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:51,670 your car, but you're also listening to a lecture to 503 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,830 maximize your time. So students have full access to 504 00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:00,290 our Canvas, which for example, is our learning management 505 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:02,690 system. In that canvas, you're going to 506 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,260 have access to all the videos, all the classes that you have 507 00:31:06,270 --> 00:31:09,630 registered for, quizzes that are available for students. 508 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,750 It's actually Part 1 of the assignments during their program 509 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,250 discussion boards are gonna be available in that platform. 510 00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:21,440 All the assignments which are very important to make sure that 511 00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:25,700 you have access at all times and any timing, you know, during the 512 00:31:25,710 --> 00:31:29,700 day or the night that you have availability for that and of 513 00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:32,630 course office hours. So there, there are a lot of 514 00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:37,720 features in the canvas that you can utilize to make sure that 515 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:40,830 you are on a schedule that if you need even to, for example, 516 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:45,320 extend a deadline, you have those options and full access to 517 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:47,560 your professors and advisors as well. 518 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:52,160 So there's also a dedicated online student orientation to 519 00:31:52,170 --> 00:31:56,020 help new students to learn how to access the systems, how to 520 00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:59,480 get ahold of us, how to get a hold of it if you have any 521 00:31:59,490 --> 00:32:02,600 technical problem or needed to be troubleshooted. 522 00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:07,840 In other words, there is an A-Team to support you at anytime 523 00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:11,720 during your day, my day, your night doesn't matter to support 524 00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:15,500 you 24 hours, to allow you to have access to what you need, to 525 00:32:15,510 --> 00:32:19,160 do your homework, your assignments to be successful in 526 00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:21,260 this. Amazing. 527 00:32:21,270 --> 00:32:25,140 Interrupt today's episode, look ahead. 528 00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:28,720 How does Mcgeorge Plain should grow and improve this exciting 529 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:31,640 online program to keep up with the changes in the legal 530 00:32:31,650 --> 00:32:34,080 professional profession that you just mentioned? 531 00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:37,500 Technology evolves every day. There's so many factors you 532 00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:40,800 factor in, so I wanted to hear all about it. 533 00:32:41,050 --> 00:32:44,080 Fantastic. While looking ahead many, many 534 00:32:44,150 --> 00:32:48,530 things, you know, many ideas our brains is working around the 535 00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:51,180 clock here. We are already exploring new 536 00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:57,040 elective courses in such areas like cybersecurity, so IP in 537 00:32:57,050 --> 00:33:02,280 general, but digital trade, we can see a trend coming up where 538 00:33:02,290 --> 00:33:06,330 again, all this innovation with technology, there is a need. 539 00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:09,700 There's there's a growing 24 that we are also working on 540 00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:14,360 developing more experiment experiential components like you 541 00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:17,720 know, virtual externships working progress there, but 542 00:33:17,770 --> 00:33:21,220 trying to figure it out how we can translate that experience 543 00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:26,040 virtually. Simulations and a case studies 544 00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:29,680 tailored to the current global legal issues. 545 00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:34,170 As you know, we are all going through changes in the law, in 546 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:38,860 the politics and we are keeping our eyes and ears open to see if 547 00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:42,520 there will be potential legal issues that would be of interest 548 00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:47,840 of our online population to have access since the changes affect 549 00:33:47,910 --> 00:33:51,870 the entire world right there. Long term of vision, I would say 550 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,790 includes building a global alumni network for online 551 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,350 students. Again, trying to expand the 552 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,730 language support for students worldwide, continue to invest in 553 00:34:05,740 --> 00:34:11,230 faculty training for online teaching excellence so they can 554 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:17,469 really shine and bring their expertise and ice cream and that 555 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,130 the legal professionals become more global and technology 556 00:34:21,139 --> 00:34:23,290 driven. We want to make George online 557 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:27,690 programs to lead that way, training the staff, our faculty, 558 00:34:27,739 --> 00:34:31,409 making sure we have access to the all high tech technology for 559 00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:35,940 our students to have access on the go, whether it's an app, 560 00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:40,360 work in progress there to facilitate the access to 561 00:34:40,370 --> 00:34:45,280 information 24/7. So that's the ultimate vision 562 00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:47,400 for us here at Mcchord School of Law. 563 00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:49,580 Amazing. But thank you so much for taking 564 00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:52,719 the time to share some of the latest developments of this 565 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:56,139 very, very exciting opportunity. And I really appreciate you 566 00:34:56,150 --> 00:34:59,200 joining the podcast and and sharing these insights. 567 00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:03,540 Thank you so much for having me. I'm open to support your 568 00:35:03,550 --> 00:35:07,650 listeners and your followers in their journey and extending 569 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:11,200 their mind and their careers with so much good information 570 00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:13,000 that is happening all over the world. 571 00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:15,480 Thank you. Thank you and for those of you 572 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:17,970 listening, please make sure to check the show notes where 573 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:21,730 you'll be able to find the links to be able to contact Adriana 574 00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:24,690 and also to learn more about Mcgeorge's new program. 575 00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:26,810 Thank you for listening and we'll see you on the next 576 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:27,410 episode.