1 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,890 Welcome to Studying Law Around the World. 2 00:00:15,020 --> 00:00:17,870 I'm Claudio Claus. In each episode, I talk with 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,850 lawyers, law students, and professors from different parts 4 00:00:20,860 --> 00:00:24,740 of the world to talk about legal education, careers, and what the 5 00:00:24,750 --> 00:00:26,410 profession looks like in real life. 6 00:00:26,420 --> 00:00:29,470 We talk about the hard parts, the surprises, and the decisions 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,270 that shaped their paths. Whether you're planning to study 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,520 abroad, thinking about working in another legal system, or just 9 00:00:35,530 --> 00:00:39,650 curious about how law works around the world, this podcast 10 00:00:39,660 --> 00:00:43,730 is for you. Hello, everybody. 11 00:00:43,740 --> 00:00:45,550 Welcome to another episode of Studying Law. 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,840 Today I have the opportunity to host Priscilla Boozoo. 13 00:00:48,940 --> 00:00:50,950 She has a very interesting story. 14 00:00:51,020 --> 00:00:54,610 She's studied law in Germany. She studied both at UC Berkeley 15 00:00:54,620 --> 00:00:59,210 and Emory University in the US and is now working in very 16 00:00:59,220 --> 00:01:03,670 interesting deals in the US and also with cross-border deals, 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,910 including Canada and the US So I'm very excited to chat a 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,410 little bit about her story and her career. 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Thank you so much for joining us today, Priscilla. 20 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:13,380 Absolutely. Thank you so much Claudia for 21 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:14,910 having me. This is so exciting. 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,390 Thank you. Thank you. 23 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:17,910 And just start over conversation. 24 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,450 I'd love to dive into a little bit about your story. 25 00:01:21,620 --> 00:01:23,870 Yeah, sure. So my name is Priscilla. 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,730 Hey, families originally from Ghana, Africa, and I was born 27 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:33,110 and raised in Germany, were up there and went to law school at 28 00:01:33,320 --> 00:01:37,550 Heidelberg University in Germany where I focused on obviously 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,370 German laws, like the main course, the main class that we 30 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:44,830 have to take, but we could focus and like choose specializations. 31 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:47,870 And so I chose public international law while I was 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,370 enrolled at Heidelberg. And I also worked for the Max 33 00:01:50,380 --> 00:01:53,510 Planck Institute as a law student at the time, focusing on 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,930 public international law. At that time, I thought I was 35 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:58,350 going to be a diplomat. For some reason, I thought I 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,290 would move to Berlin and be a diplomat and then, you know, 37 00:02:01,300 --> 00:02:04,170 move around the world. For that reason, I actually did 38 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:07,750 an internship at the German Embassy in Washington, DC. 39 00:02:07,950 --> 00:02:09,570 That was the law student at Heidelberg. 40 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,610 I did that for about 3 months, which was very interesting. 41 00:02:12,620 --> 00:02:14,970 I learned a lot that's to see a lot. 42 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,490 Sort of came back and graduated and then pretty much I was set 43 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:22,270 on an LM. I knew I wanted to come back to 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,090 the US and actually learn about the US legal system. 45 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:28,130 So I was admitted to UC Berkeley. 46 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:30,820 So I flew all the way from Frankfurt at that time. 47 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:33,990 That was my first straight flight to San Francisco, which 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,570 was like I think 14 hours nonstop flight. 49 00:02:36,580 --> 00:02:41,690 And I, I did a accelerated Jalen program there over 2 consecutive 50 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:44,650 summers. So altogether 6 months the, I 51 00:02:44,660 --> 00:02:49,150 graduated, went back to Germany and realized, OK, if I do want 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,410 to be an attorney, it has to be in the US. 53 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:54,790 I enjoyed it so much. I would love to come back and 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,780 actually be, you know, AUS attorney that I saw. 55 00:02:57,790 --> 00:03:00,670 I was pretty much done with the German system after graduating 56 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,460 from a Heidelberg University. And I realized also that with 57 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:07,310 the yellow lamp itself, it's very difficult to sort of get an 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,790 opportunity. And I knew that the JD degree, 59 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,930 that is the classic US degree and that sort of is what 60 00:03:12,940 --> 00:03:15,250 everybody has. And I think that would have, you 61 00:03:15,260 --> 00:03:18,270 know, at that time I thought it would improve my marketability 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,270 or my chances to, you know, get an opportunity. 63 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,920 So I looked around and I came across Emory University in 64 00:03:24,930 --> 00:03:28,770 Atlanta, GA, which had a two year JD program for foreign 65 00:03:28,780 --> 00:03:31,770 attorneys. And I thought, OK, like, why not 66 00:03:31,780 --> 00:03:34,770 do this instead of like going back to law school and doing a 67 00:03:34,780 --> 00:03:38,670 full 3 year program. And so I applied and I got in 68 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,820 and I ended up in Atlanta, GA. I did a two year program there. 69 00:03:42,830 --> 00:03:47,580 And after I graduated, I started out at a firm in Atlanta. 70 00:03:47,990 --> 00:03:50,380 And from there the pandemic started. 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,640 I was actually already, yeah, it was 2020. 72 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:56,520 And then I ended up in New York City and I have been in the 73 00:03:56,530 --> 00:03:59,780 state of New York ever since. It's been five years since I 74 00:03:59,790 --> 00:04:02,540 have been incorporated in the state of New York. 75 00:04:02,590 --> 00:04:04,780 And I have never deviated from corporate. 76 00:04:04,790 --> 00:04:07,660 I really enjoy it. I, I love the fact that I chose 77 00:04:07,670 --> 00:04:10,340 corporate. Before that I was more in like 78 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:12,320 international arbitration back in Europe. 79 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:16,800 But when I came to the US, I was so set on business law, 80 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:18,380 corporate law annual. Exactly. 81 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:20,630 That is exactly what I want to do and I've been doing it ever 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,830 since. That's that's quite the story. 83 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:26,310 I love hearing it. And I really, it was really nice 84 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,590 to know that you came to know your passions as time went 85 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,110 along. It's been one of the very, very 86 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,300 interesting things to listen to stories in this podcast is it's 87 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:37,800 to see builders. Definitely a group of lawyers 88 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:40,270 that are kind of grew up thinking, Hey, I want you to do 89 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,630 law and I want to work with this area of law. 90 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:45,690 And then I would say another group that kind of learns along 91 00:04:45,700 --> 00:04:48,770 the way and they're like, I started law school loving 92 00:04:48,780 --> 00:04:51,450 criminal law, but then I realized that working with 93 00:04:51,460 --> 00:04:53,550 criminal law was a lot harder than it seemed. 94 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:56,130 Anyways, it was just very interesting to see, you know, 95 00:04:56,140 --> 00:04:59,330 the different ways that people come to find their passions and 96 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,480 and corporate is I'm also curious to know if there were, 97 00:05:02,490 --> 00:05:05,620 you know, really big shocks are are hard legal or cultural 98 00:05:05,630 --> 00:05:08,880 adjustments that you have to that you had to go through when 99 00:05:08,890 --> 00:05:12,400 you were moving from, you know, a civil law jurisdiction into a 100 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:14,360 more of a common law jurisdiction. 101 00:05:14,410 --> 00:05:16,960 Yeah, absolutely. Actually, I think the hardest 102 00:05:16,970 --> 00:05:21,460 part was to actually let go of the civil law system and 103 00:05:21,470 --> 00:05:26,000 completely open yourself up for the common law system, because I 104 00:05:26,010 --> 00:05:28,260 didn't know anything else but the civil law system. 105 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:31,540 So usually in a situation like that, you sort of hold on to 106 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:35,800 what you know and you try to approach the new thing with the 107 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:37,500 approach that you had for the old thing. 108 00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:42,300 So it was hard for me in the beginning to sort of just let go 109 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:45,560 and just completely do what needs to be done for the common 110 00:05:45,570 --> 00:05:48,010 law system and totally approach it the way it needs to be 111 00:05:48,020 --> 00:05:50,500 approached because I just didn't know that approach. 112 00:05:50,510 --> 00:05:52,110 I wasn't sort of familiar with it. 113 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,150 And yeah, so whenever panic set in, it would just be like, why 114 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,110 isn't it like that? And why isn't, you know, I would 115 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,180 just try to look at it from a civil or perspective. 116 00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:05,070 But after a while, you start to get more comfortable with it and 117 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,490 things like that. It's really just a matter of 118 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:09,490 time and until you get comfortable enough to actually 119 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:12,070 just do what needs to be done for the common law system. 120 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,310 So I think that was one of the lessons that I learned. 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,050 And I think it's it's an important one because I think 122 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:23,010 you can only go wrong if you approach the common law system 123 00:06:23,060 --> 00:06:25,470 like the civil law system and vice versa. 124 00:06:25,740 --> 00:06:29,650 Those are two separate cultures, completely different cultures, 125 00:06:29,730 --> 00:06:32,070 just like countries. You know, you wouldn't wanna do 126 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,360 certain things in one country and do the same thing and 127 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:36,140 others. You, you just don't do that, 128 00:06:36,190 --> 00:06:39,380 even though it's tough and it's, it's difficult for someone who's 129 00:06:39,390 --> 00:06:42,060 coming from a different culture. Still, while you'll get used to 130 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:43,700 it. So also be kind to yourself. 131 00:06:43,710 --> 00:06:46,020 Everything is really just a time and matter of time. 132 00:06:46,110 --> 00:06:47,880 So after a while, you get used to it. 133 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:50,990 And then you, you, you feel more familiar with it and you know, 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,580 everything will just flow eventually. 135 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:55,000 But in the beginning, of course, it's, it's very hard. 136 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:57,260 It's very difficult if that's the only thing you know and you 137 00:06:57,270 --> 00:06:59,100 don't know anything else. Yeah. 138 00:06:59,150 --> 00:07:01,270 Absolutely. I loved, really loved hearing 139 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:05,520 that they're kind of building on that experience as well and and 140 00:07:05,530 --> 00:07:08,400 considering the work you build and what you do these days. 141 00:07:08,450 --> 00:07:10,940 So I understand you. You work with corporate and then 142 00:07:11,050 --> 00:07:14,420 private equity venture capital. What's the world lesson that you 143 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:18,220 learned about how deals get done in this international setting? 144 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:20,760 I realized, I mean, everything was teamwork. 145 00:07:20,810 --> 00:07:24,430 I have a great team, lots of folks, lots of attorneys on one 146 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,980 team and we all sort of work together. 147 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:30,360 It's not a one person or one man show, honestly. 148 00:07:30,370 --> 00:07:34,330 It's really knowing everyone, you know, sort of sharing the 149 00:07:34,340 --> 00:07:38,220 work and delegating and you know, being able to rely on each 150 00:07:38,230 --> 00:07:40,660 other and being able to reach out to each other. 151 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:43,480 Like, hey, I have this question, or can you help me with this? 152 00:07:43,490 --> 00:07:46,180 Or, you know, would you be able to take over that part? 153 00:07:46,190 --> 00:07:49,260 You know, as I'm doing something else, I think it's very 154 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:53,180 important to sort of have a group of people around and also 155 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:56,840 learning how to be a teammate, how to engage within a team, 156 00:07:56,910 --> 00:07:58,990 then how to work together as a team. 157 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,290 Because these, the deals get bigger and bigger, like super 158 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:05,600 large and complex sometimes. And I've never seen one person 159 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:09,010 being able to do everything at the same time, Especially in law 160 00:08:09,020 --> 00:08:12,830 firms where you're working on a number of matters, a number of 161 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,830 deals, It's very quick. Like it happens very quickly 162 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,050 that, you know, you forget things or you won't catch 163 00:08:19,060 --> 00:08:21,850 certain things. So you literally depend on your 164 00:08:21,860 --> 00:08:23,750 team. You're literally depend on 165 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,630 everybody else around you. And you spend a lot of time 166 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,130 together, whether physically you spend time together or by 167 00:08:29,140 --> 00:08:32,350 e-mail, you know, virtual, but it's a lot of meetings, a lot of 168 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,850 emails, a lot of putting our heads together, even internal 169 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:38,679 meetings and calls just to structure, like plan the 170 00:08:38,690 --> 00:08:41,880 structure or strategize and things like that. 171 00:08:41,890 --> 00:08:44,039 So you spend a lot of time with your teammates. 172 00:08:44,049 --> 00:08:46,860 And I think one of the lessons is exactly that knowing how to 173 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:51,240 be a good team player, you know, how to understand people and 174 00:08:51,250 --> 00:08:53,460 also time management. I believe it's, I'm still 175 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:56,190 working on that, to be honest. I'm not perfect at it, but I 176 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,610 think time management is also very important to make sure that 177 00:08:59,620 --> 00:09:02,900 you're not over promising and then under delivering because 178 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:06,880 people rely on you, people trust you, people expect you to sort 179 00:09:06,890 --> 00:09:09,680 of, you know, do exactly what you promised you would do. 180 00:09:09,690 --> 00:09:12,200 And yeah, so it's, again, it's teamwork. 181 00:09:12,210 --> 00:09:13,810 And so you have to know yourself. 182 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:16,400 You have to know what you're capable of, whether you'll be 183 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:19,160 able to deliver certain things at a certain time or not. 184 00:09:19,170 --> 00:09:21,770 Communications obviously also very important. 185 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:25,690 And yeah, so those are, I think those are the essential things 186 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:27,280 that are important. For sure. 187 00:09:27,370 --> 00:09:30,440 And I also saw that you serve as a Co chair in one of the 188 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:32,680 committees for the American Bar Association. 189 00:09:32,750 --> 00:09:35,460 I'd love to hear what that experience has been like for you 190 00:09:35,530 --> 00:09:39,040 and also what Roe has, you know, interacting with other lawyers 191 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:42,900 and being really with peers in the profession has played in 192 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:45,240 your own career. Has learned a lot, actually. 193 00:09:45,310 --> 00:09:49,350 We are a group of corporate attorneys from literally all 194 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,130 over the world seem to talk to corporate lawyers from Asia, 195 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,890 from Latin America, from Africa, Europe. 196 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,930 It's very, it's a very diverse sort of group, a very diverse 197 00:10:01,940 --> 00:10:05,290 committee altogether. And it's again, very interesting 198 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:08,240 to hear everybody's approach, what people do here and there, 199 00:10:08,250 --> 00:10:10,660 what their priorities are, things they do, things they do 200 00:10:10,670 --> 00:10:14,270 not do. I have enjoyed being in the ABA 201 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,930 tickle in the in international section. 202 00:10:15,940 --> 00:10:19,740 I've met a lot of people from again, all over the world and 203 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:21,930 I've had, you know, you have a lot in common. 204 00:10:21,940 --> 00:10:24,810 It's, it's interesting to see, you know, how, you know, you 205 00:10:24,820 --> 00:10:27,750 meet people from all over the world and realize that, hey, you 206 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,350 know, I think the same way. I have the same, you know, I had 207 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,110 the same thought about this and it's kind of cool to meet 208 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,130 somebody from the other side of the world actually had the same 209 00:10:36,140 --> 00:10:37,640 thought, you know, things like that. 210 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:40,790 So I, I really have always enjoyed like an international 211 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,180 environment, a particularly my LM. 212 00:10:43,270 --> 00:10:45,900 And that's, that was the first time that I was in a very 213 00:10:45,910 --> 00:10:49,820 international environment. And I realized that I thrive in 214 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:52,340 those spaces. And, and so that is another 215 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:56,460 reason why I decided to do the World Bank training ship because 216 00:10:56,510 --> 00:10:59,740 again, it was my favorite environment, like everyone from 217 00:10:59,750 --> 00:11:02,200 all over the world. And we're all working together 218 00:11:02,210 --> 00:11:05,480 and learning from each other. And, you know, I grew a lot 219 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:07,850 during that time. And yeah, it's the same for the 220 00:11:07,860 --> 00:11:11,220 ABA. It's, it's been very exciting. 221 00:11:11,270 --> 00:11:13,400 It's been, Yeah, just very interesting. 222 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:17,260 And I've grown a lot from being a member of the international 223 00:11:17,270 --> 00:11:19,640 section of the. Yeah, fantastic. 224 00:11:19,690 --> 00:11:23,600 I also saw that you've been featured on the BBC before, and 225 00:11:23,610 --> 00:11:26,480 I wanted to hear about, you know, how did this opportunity 226 00:11:26,490 --> 00:11:29,090 come about? And also, how have you learned 227 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:32,750 about communicating law to a wider audience that is not 228 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,880 necessarily trained in law? Yeah. 229 00:11:34,890 --> 00:11:38,180 So I have always been interested in journalism, to be honest. 230 00:11:38,190 --> 00:11:42,380 It's always been sort of like a law slash journalism thing that 231 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:45,760 at that time when I was in high school, educated high school, 232 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:48,220 there weren't really like a lot of, I would say like 233 00:11:48,510 --> 00:11:52,000 international channels or, you know, place anything where I 234 00:11:52,010 --> 00:11:55,720 could have done any of this. So I sort of locked it away and 235 00:11:55,730 --> 00:11:59,040 just focused on law. And when the pandemic happened, 236 00:11:59,090 --> 00:12:02,150 that was the first time that I kind of thought, OK, maybe I 237 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,550 should sort of consider it now because people were now sort of 238 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:09,380 like tuning in gradually and you could literally be anywhere in 239 00:12:09,390 --> 00:12:14,010 the world and still sort of contribute and be a commentator. 240 00:12:14,220 --> 00:12:17,310 And I thought this is the perfect opportunity for me to 241 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,210 sort of combine the two and finally be an attorney, but also 242 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:25,930 be in media and sort of serve as an as a journalist by just 243 00:12:25,940 --> 00:12:28,970 commentating on certain or providing comments on certain 244 00:12:29,020 --> 00:12:31,830 legal issues. And so that is pretty much how 245 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,370 it started. I started off at a few African 246 00:12:34,380 --> 00:12:37,730 news channels from Nigeria, from South Africa, from Ghana. 247 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,450 And then I sort of came in contact with BBC Africa. 248 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:45,740 And that was also around the time when the Twitter deal 249 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:49,760 happened and when Twitter shut down it's office in Ghana. 250 00:12:49,770 --> 00:12:53,060 So that was the first time that I was on BBC just to comment on 251 00:12:53,530 --> 00:12:57,620 the effects of them shutting down that office in Ghana. 252 00:12:57,630 --> 00:13:00,260 So it's been, yeah, it's been very exciting. 253 00:13:00,270 --> 00:13:04,140 I've really enjoyed being a legal commentator or legal 254 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:08,660 analyst on these news channels. And next month, interestingly, 255 00:13:08,670 --> 00:13:11,540 I'm going to be on CNN for the first time. 256 00:13:11,610 --> 00:13:15,500 So that has always been a dream. So we'll see how it goes. 257 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:18,960 But it's it's finally here, so I'm excited about that. 258 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,980 I'm glad that I got the chance to interview you here in in this 259 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:26,840 capacity as well. Something that I always try to 260 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:31,340 ask our guests because I'm cognizant of who my audience is 261 00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:32,700 here. And there's a lot of pre law 262 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:36,240 students and an early career professionals rider, you know, 263 00:13:36,250 --> 00:13:39,700 going to law school right now or going through revalidation or 264 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:42,560 credentials in a different country or you know, early 265 00:13:42,570 --> 00:13:45,370 career professionals in general, but they definitely dream with 266 00:13:45,380 --> 00:13:48,980 working internationally or in cross-border corporate law. 267 00:13:49,050 --> 00:13:51,680 That's what I've heard from people who have reached out to 268 00:13:51,690 --> 00:13:56,300 me, and I always try to ask my guests, what are a few pieces of 269 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:59,800 advice that you give, you know, whether it be something that you 270 00:13:59,810 --> 00:14:02,620 wish you knew from the start or that you would have told your 271 00:14:02,630 --> 00:14:06,000 younger self, or maybe even some practical steps that you might 272 00:14:06,010 --> 00:14:09,420 suggest for whoever wants to get into this kind of career. 273 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,160 Yeah, I think location is very important, but to be honest, for 274 00:14:13,170 --> 00:14:17,940 international careers, so it's really about making sacrifices, 275 00:14:17,950 --> 00:14:21,560 I guess moving to those places and everything is about 276 00:14:21,570 --> 00:14:25,640 positioning yourself, I think, and marketing yourself. 277 00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:30,140 And if, you know you want to do like international work, I think 278 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:33,260 there are certain places where you could find that 279 00:14:33,270 --> 00:14:36,320 international work and you have to just be willing to go there 280 00:14:36,330 --> 00:14:39,100 and maybe move there and actually live there and do a lot 281 00:14:39,110 --> 00:14:41,900 of networking too. I think there's so many 282 00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:45,700 international communities where you could find that kind of work 283 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:48,040 you want to do. You can and people who have been 284 00:14:48,050 --> 00:14:51,420 doing that kind of work and you can find mentors, you can find 285 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:54,960 sponsors in those communities. So I think networking is very 286 00:14:54,970 --> 00:14:57,260 important. It's being in touch with people 287 00:14:57,270 --> 00:15:00,540 who can help you. And then also again, just being 288 00:15:00,550 --> 00:15:03,960 where the work is. So physically being there and 289 00:15:04,010 --> 00:15:07,600 um, yeah, positioning yourself right, just to make sure that 290 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:10,320 you are being seen, that you are actually getting that 291 00:15:10,330 --> 00:15:12,730 opportunity that you're waiting on, looking for. 292 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:16,170 And then also being patient, you know, because I also struggle 293 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:18,740 with that because sometimes I get too excited. 294 00:15:18,750 --> 00:15:20,100 It's like, why is it not happening? 295 00:15:20,110 --> 00:15:22,160 I need it now. I needed to happen now, you 296 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:25,400 know? So patience is very important. 297 00:15:25,410 --> 00:15:29,200 And yeah, same open minded as well as you're being patient, 298 00:15:29,270 --> 00:15:32,740 you know, there might be other options and one opportunity can 299 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:35,090 lead to another. It might not be directly what 300 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,040 you want, but it can lead you to, you know, where you want to 301 00:15:38,050 --> 00:15:42,320 be, what exactly you want to do. So I think that would be my 302 00:15:42,330 --> 00:15:44,640 advice. Amazing cheer up of today's 303 00:15:44,650 --> 00:15:46,940 episode. I wanted to ask you, if you look 304 00:15:46,950 --> 00:15:50,360 back on your career so far, was there are moments that that you 305 00:15:50,370 --> 00:15:53,880 pause and think This is why I chose this path. 306 00:15:53,930 --> 00:15:58,920 Yes, there were actually a few moments where I felt like I've 307 00:15:58,990 --> 00:16:01,580 actually accomplished what I was looking for. 308 00:16:01,630 --> 00:16:05,530 For example, when that happened would be BC I was like, wow, 309 00:16:05,540 --> 00:16:08,020 this is a moment. This is exactly what I wanted to 310 00:16:08,030 --> 00:16:11,900 do years ago when I was a kid, when I was living overseas in 311 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:14,180 Europe, you know? So here's the opportunity, 312 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,990 finally, a licensed attorney who's on TV with a journalist 313 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,710 and talking to the audience and explaining the law. 314 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,770 You know, that was an amazing moment for me that I felt like, 315 00:16:24,780 --> 00:16:26,610 no, I'm definitely doing the right thing. 316 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:28,470 I'm definitely on the right path. 317 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:30,350 But also they're just smaller moments. 318 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,190 Even, you know, in a even during a stressful day where you just 319 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,030 sort of like working on this huge transaction and all of a 320 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,290 sudden you have these ideas like, oh, maybe we should do it 321 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:41,530 this way and that way. And then it's like, am I really 322 00:16:41,540 --> 00:16:42,750 doing this? What's this really? 323 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,290 Is this me? Then you feel like, OK, no, this 324 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:46,810 is exactly what I should be doing. 325 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:48,080 I feel like I'm on the right track. 326 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:51,340 This is the path because why is it coming naturally that I'm 327 00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:54,070 literally sitting here and I'm, you know, it's just working. 328 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,320 It works, you know. So, yeah, those those there are 329 00:16:57,330 --> 00:17:00,180 few moments like that so and a feels great, yeah. 330 00:17:00,190 --> 00:17:02,490 Amazing. Well, I wanted to thank you once 331 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:05,000 again for taking the time to being in the podcast for today 332 00:17:05,210 --> 00:17:07,240 and sharing a little more about your story. 333 00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:10,810 I hope that this may be just the first conversation of miniature. 334 00:17:10,819 --> 00:17:12,700 Come absolutely. Thank you so much for having me, 335 00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:13,640 Claudia. Really appreciate. 336 00:17:13,650 --> 00:17:16,319 It and thank you all for tuning into today's episode and we'll 337 00:17:16,329 --> 00:17:17,359 see you on the next one.