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The link is in the show notes. 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Today's guest is Dean Noam Wasserman, the Dean of Sci. 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,040 Sims School of Business at Yeshiva University. 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,760 Before taking up that role in 2019, he was a professor at 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,240 Stanford, USC, and Harvard Business School. 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,280 He wrote two best selling books, The Founder's Dilemma and Life 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,280 as a Startup. And as we'll hear in the 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,480 interview, he learns a lot of Torah. 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,160 We discussed Torah, business and the intersection between the 16 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:52,120 two, and at the very end of our conversation, he threw in a 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,160 story that blew my mind. And now it's time to dive in to 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:12,040 the stark tank. Shalom alaikum. 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,560 Dean Noam Wasserman, thank you so much for joining us today. 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Now that comes Shalom Yanka Wolf. 21 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:21,160 Before your current role as the Dean of SCI Sims, you were a 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,680 teacher at Harvard Business School, and we're not going to 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,480 go into discussion as to what we think of that institution today. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,280 But it's certainly a prestigious Business School and now you run 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,520 a different prestigious Business School. 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Could you explain the main differences between SCI Sims and 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,760 Harvard Business School or the broader business education 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,640 world? Sure, absolutely. 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,160 It's big, important differences between the two of them. 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,800 One of them, this was about three years ago. 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,800 I was walking out of the main administrative building at Yu 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,640 Belford Hall, and I was walking out with my usual Gamora under 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:57,280 my arm and saw coming across the street, YU's general counsel, 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,400 the chief lawyer, walking along with Ravi Joseph Kolinsky, who's 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,520 the Dean of undergrad tourist studies and two gentlemen, 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,640 obviously not Jewish, Very distinguished though. 37 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,639 And they grabbed me and they introduced me Dean of the 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,960 Business School and Rav Kolinsky said, what's under your arm? 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,320 And I talked to them about, you know, like the Gamora's, you 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,680 know, things like that, the role that it plays in in our day and 41 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,480 stuff that I thought they might not know about. 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,640 Turns out, I mean I think I confirmed this afterwards. 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Those are the two lawyers who were helping Yu and it's Supreme 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,200 Court case and they were trying to get their arms around what is 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Yu. In some ways they were asking 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,600 that same question about is there anything unique about it 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,520 compared to that. And when they asked, essentially 48 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,000 what I said is it's like the excellence of HBS, but with 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,600 values that a lot of what we do is grounded in our masura, the 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:51,000 longtime millennials, old Millennium olds of wisdom that 51 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,760 we have across the generations. The Torah as the centerpiece, 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,840 but then it drives the way in which we look at the world in 53 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,160 which we interact with people beyond the Arba Kanfo, the Arba, 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,560 the Dalamos of of Yiddishkite. And so the values piece is 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,000 definitely a big part of that. There's other things that turn 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,760 into like other parts of the education, like the practical 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,040 orientation of the education. You learn something in the 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,680 classroom and you immediately apply it, and then you're able 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,000 to learn better the next time around. 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,280 When you walk into the classroom, you do a variety of 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,640 things where we try to make sure that it's going to be the depth 62 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,120 of knowing, doing and being. Not just the knowing that gets 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,120 shoveled into you with a with a lecture, but also the very 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,960 topless, the very hands on things that you'll be able to 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,040 learn within the classroom. There's definitely a difference 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,760 in the culture. I remember my first week, it was 67 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,040 very formative. There are other ways it might, 68 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,600 which it might come up during our discussion the first 69 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,160 Wednesday morning, I had a faculty member stop in and say 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,960 guess what I did last night. Turns out he'd gone to a wedding 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,920 of as soon as he had taught about four years before. 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,560 That would not have happened at Harvard Business School, and not 73 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,040 have happened in the other other places that I've taught at 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,440 Columbia, at Stanford, at USC or anything like that. 75 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,600 To have the depth of that connection between the students 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,800 and the faculty, that years later at your key milestones of 77 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,040 life that they still want to be able to involve you and have you 78 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,360 there to be able to celebrate a market with them is another 79 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,680 remarkable part of the the culture, the way in which it is 80 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,120 lifelong relationships, not just one off you are a face in a 81 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,760 classroom and then you never see each other again. 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,840 That the smaller classes. Also. 83 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:34,160 It's one of the things just it seems like a very logistics kind 84 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,720 of thing about what is the class size has fundamental 85 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,000 implications for the relationships that can be 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,200 developed in the student to student relationships. 87 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,360 When you're a smaller class, you're going to get to know each 88 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,400 other a lot better. But also the faculty being able 89 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,760 to mentor the students, being able to guide them because it is 90 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,640 a faculty member with two dozen students rather than a couple of 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,280 100 students. And so you can really have a lot 92 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:56,960 of the deeper things that can happen that is very much 93 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,240 rounding out to the full person, the 24 hours of the student, not 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,720 just the nine to five of the student, and really being able 95 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,960 to prepare them for life. Can you tell us about the 96 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,800 mission of Sci Sims as you articulated it as the Dean? 97 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:14,520 Well, we coalesced it once I came on board as a Dean. 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,040 But the the mission of Sci Sims is to develop Torah grounded 99 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,760 professionals who excel in the workplace and in the community. 100 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,080 And one of the key things about that mission is it drive just 101 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,080 about everything. It helps us understand what 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,880 curriculum to create, whom to hire, like all of the things 103 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,000 that we want to put in place to be able to coalesce. 104 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,360 In addition to classroom experiences, the other 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,680 enhancements that we want to be able to do for the student 106 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,320 experiences and other things like that. 107 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,920 And there's all sorts of ways in which we actually had in April. 108 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,640 We had our every five years accreditation, review, and when 109 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,880 the reviewers, 3 Deans from other business schools would 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,360 come in to scrutinize you, we're sitting down the end of it 111 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,280 together with me and the president, Rabbi Berman and the 112 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,120 Provost. The first thing they called out 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,520 was the distinctiveness of the mission. 114 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,920 They said that we review other business schools. 115 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,120 You can just take the name of the Business School off of the 116 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,720 mission and plug in any other business schools name and it 117 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,560 looks the same. Said no one else would be able 118 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,160 to put their name on the Sci Sims mission because it captures 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,520 the uniqueness and the power of what we developed. 120 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,640 With NYU, you have the Tora OH business. 121 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,800 You have the way in which the OH of connecting the two of them is 122 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,840 fundamental. Being Torah grounded in the 123 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,560 workplace. The broader impact of the 24 124 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,920 hours of the students that we're talking about before, a lot of 125 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,440 times 5:00 PM to 9:00 AM, taking your Business School skills and 126 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,360 being able to translate them into being OSA quit. 127 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,600 Sorry, I see. Or contributing to the community 128 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,320 as being a critical thing of being able to develop that. 129 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,960 That is the excelling in the community part of the of the of 130 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,320 the mission statement. And so we actually had the 131 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,520 report that we gave to the accreditation body. 132 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,280 We have 9 standards that you're supposed to speak to curriculum, 133 00:06:57,280 --> 00:06:59,720 faculty and things like that. Every one of those sections 134 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,640 started off our mission statement is this and this is 135 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,680 how this part of it is able to attend to it. 136 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,240 And that helps everyone understand what is inside of 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,200 scope, outside of scope, what kinds of things should we be 138 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,920 doing, what are the holes we have to fill, and what are the 139 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,160 things that are already strong but should get stronger. 140 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,160 And those are a lot of things that we've been doubling down on 141 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,280 over the last five years. I want to dive deeper into that 142 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,640 mission and how it expresses itself. 143 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,640 But before that I want to tell you just take a couple steps 144 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,080 back and hear from you your personal background. 145 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,120 You know, Toronto Business is a great slogan that I think 146 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,840 basically what I know of you really describes you very, very 147 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,040 deeply. So can you tell us briefly about 148 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,400 how you ended up becoming so passionate about the connection 149 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,360 of Toronto business? I. 150 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Think we could always trace a lot of it to the upbringing, 151 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,520 being able to take a look at the role models, the people who kind 152 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,640 of like set the tone influenced us and everything. 153 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,120 Part of it is also the education that we go through of knitting 154 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,840 the two of them together. By my Zadie in New York he had a 155 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,960 shul he his kids, you know one of them, the oldest one Kaya 156 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,320 Wasserman that's all long time rough in Passaic. 157 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,960 And so you've got the very deep side of the Torah part of the 158 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,880 family. My father almost became a rob 159 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,080 also but then ended up becoming an orthodontist, but would learn 160 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,480 it was a leader in the shul, leader in the community and 161 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,480 other things like that. And my mother also was a key 162 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,080 player when it came to Osak Gutzark like Seabor and the 163 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,040 Flesosorchium that we learned and things like that. 164 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,200 And so that's where we're seeing that a key part of what we have 165 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,320 to build is being able to bridge world's Torah business. 166 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,760 Torah medicine. You know, my wife, a doctor, you 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,760 know very much also that kind of a role model of Torah medicine. 168 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:47,200 And the same kind of thing that we try to raise within our kids 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,160 of. For instance, my oldest is the 170 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,040 only one who didn't go to Yu. All my other kids have gone to 171 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Yu. But the oldest went to the base 172 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Yakov and then went to MIT. And so being able to have that 173 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,640 bridging of the world's taking the best of the two and now 174 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,320 she's knitting them together to be able to being raising her 175 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,760 family and being able to have the same kind of impact of 176 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,800 stressing that we have to be able to be the unique that 177 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,960 brings together the. Oh, and if we can have deep 178 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,000 grounding in each of them and then be able to find the unique 179 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,720 ways that we can be able to have the power that comes from being 180 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,600 able to move across those worlds and be able to bring the best of 181 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,160 them. That's what we want to be able 182 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,280 to do. In terms of like the evolution 183 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,480 grew up in LA, went to even though it didn't really have 184 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,680 that, how much of relationship with YUI went to YULAI, went to 185 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:35,560 EULA for high school then I went to RT Strell, went to Shalavim 186 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,080 and then undergrad. It was you know continuing to be 187 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,560 able to try to have as we're developing like the excellence 188 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:45,880 in the in the secular, if you will, about being able to how 189 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,360 much can we learn at how much can we be. 190 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,680 The Hevra in the the Hillel started life as an engineer and 191 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:54,440 came into college as an engineer but then added on the business 192 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,400 part of it. And again it's bridging even 193 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,000 within the if you will, the the the Mata part of it doing both 194 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,280 business and engineering is bringing those together in a 195 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,600 different type of oh and then if we can be able to have our 196 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,080 Yiddish, Skype be able to inform it a variety of the other things 197 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,720 that has definitely given me a different lens on it. 198 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,640 I'll just give you one example. So after working for five years 199 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,760 going back from my MBA and then had some people, a couple of 200 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,720 professors who convinced me to stick around at Harvard and get 201 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,200 my PhD after I got my MBA there, then studied for now it's going 202 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,120 on 25 years The early decisions that founders make that get them 203 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,640 in trouble. And when I would be, I developed 204 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,760 a course at Harvard that we called the Founders Dilemmas 205 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,280 course. When the first day that we would 206 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,440 be teaching about founding teams, I would be bringing into 207 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,920 it Azer connecto because that was a lens that I got on 208 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,440 founding team relationships that shaped how I look at them and 209 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,000 thought that we'd be able to benefit from being able to 210 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,600 discuss founding teams through that kind of a lens. 211 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 So I'd be saying they're in the Harvard classroom. 212 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,440 Does anyone know who the founding team of the world was? 213 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,160 Does anyone know what is the two word relationship that the Bible 214 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,720 describes as what they should be having there? 215 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,880 We got into Azerkandegdo and about the tug and pull. 216 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,080 We didn't explicitly get into Rashi versus the Nativ and the 217 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,880 Mythologus that they have about what it means. 218 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,640 I'm very much a deceive type when it comes to that About the 219 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,520 connecto. The pushback is the ultimate 220 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:19,840 Azar that someone's helping you be able to see where you can do 221 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,080 better and things like that. But bringing into the classroom 222 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,960 that first day, the last day of the semester when we're talking 223 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,880 about entrepreneurial failure and resilience, those students 224 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,880 will be hearing about Ravi Akiva as our case study. 225 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,560 They will be hearing about Gamzo Latova. 226 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,000 I would be having these non judicious walking out of the 227 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,760 class with Dom Gamz Latova on their on their lips. 228 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,160 I still get an update e-mail on a regular basis from Dilip Rao, 229 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,840 one of my students and founders, Dilemmas, who talks to me about 230 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,480 the bumps in the road as he's founding and the ways in which 231 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,440 he is finding ways to get stronger from the new 232 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,320 perspective that it gives him and other things along those 233 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,960 lines. And so that's we're trying to 234 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,640 bridge the world's, bring the uniqueness, what do we learn in 235 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,560 the Torah and the Masara? That then gives us some added 236 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:03,400 insights that we can bring into the other part of life. 237 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:05,680 And so it's bringing all those together that's been like the 238 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,280 the upbringing and then the now seeing the power of it 239 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,360 throughout the last few decades. And with regards to Talmatura, 240 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,040 you are involved very deeply in Talmatura, in addition to 241 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,080 bringing the Torah values outwards, but there's also the 242 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,640 inwards Torah experience. How do you view those muscles of 243 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,640 being a Bentura, learning Torah while also being busy with 244 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,520 either a business or career and all the other things that life 245 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,720 throws at us? No, I think there's one of the 246 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,640 critical things that right now, I mean, there's Israel giving a 247 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 bunch of talks at yeshivas and seminars and things like that 248 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,320 about building your foundation for the next decades of life. 249 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,960 And we talked about like the excellence in the content part 250 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,120 of it, how when you're studying finance or marketing and things 251 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,320 like that have been able to raise the game in terms of the 252 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,560 strength of the people and the courses who are developing that 253 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:53,960 in the students. But we also talked about the 254 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,960 intangibles. Intangibles are going to be the 255 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,600 values. They're going to be building the 256 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,000 integrity muscles and things like that, but also the habits 257 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,120 and the other things that are going to be setting you up for 258 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,360 life. Unfortunately, if you don't do 259 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,080 it during college, then you are going to find it even tougher to 260 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,560 build the Covea E2 muscles. The how to be able to carve out 261 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:15,880 key pieces of your day to be able to do davening and learning 262 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,600 and other things like that. And so it's actually at Yu that 263 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,520 students are building those types of muscles. 264 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Some of the recurring questions that I get is how do people fit 265 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,800 in everything. That's what the students who are 266 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,600 here who are hearing about all the things on campus and the 267 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,840 dual curriculum and the clubs and other things like that, like 268 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,120 how do they have time to do that and learn and do everything 269 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,200 else. And I said, this is how it is 270 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,800 helping prepare you for those decades of life. 271 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,040 You learn time management, you learn prioritization. 272 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,360 You learn all of the things that go into what you're going to 273 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,680 have to face out there. You're practicing it in the 274 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,480 easier environment now. You're building those muscles 275 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,680 and going to continue strengthening them throughout 276 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:53,960 life. And that's one of the things 277 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,440 that actually employers praise Yu students about. 278 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,160 They say that when they hire students from other campuses, 279 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,520 that at 2:00 in the afternoon their tongues are dragging on 280 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,400 the floor. They're exhausted because that 281 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,800 was when class was ending for them. 282 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,040 They said the Yu students, they're looking at them. 283 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,320 They're still going strong. Yu students look back at them 284 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,320 and say, I was just starting class at 2:00. 285 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,360 I was going until after night, Seder at 10:00 PM and then I was 286 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,280 starting to do my homework. Well, how could you do that? 287 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,160 Well, this is how I built my work ethic. 288 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,120 This is how I was able to understand a bunch of the things 289 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,160 I was going to need for the workplace and being able to 290 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,600 manage all those things for me. My going to Night Seder is one 291 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,760 of the key blessings that I have on campus. 292 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,720 That's part of my Covey Etim. And being able to make sure that 293 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,440 every night that I don't have like a why you conflict in it 294 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,960 that I can be with the with that in the guys there during the 295 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,600 window. It's not always the entire two 296 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,640 hours, but being able to do the 8 to 10 of being able to do 297 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,640 Night Seder, be able to do some learning in the morning before 298 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Nate's minion, being able to carve it out with that. 299 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,880 And to me one of the key things we also have to have people 300 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,480 appreciate is that you don't start out doing deep Dafyomi 301 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,880 like you have to. You have to get to it over time 302 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,080 if you see someone who's doing so. 303 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,680 Blei and Hara. I just had my third see my shots 304 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,320 that I did right before Rosh Hashanah had pushed to do to 305 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,080 doppum a day what we call double DAF because it would enable me 306 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,960 to finish shots this past cycle when it was the 100th 307 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,640 anniversary of the founding of of Dafyomi. 308 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,560 For Mayor Shapiro, Rosh Hashanah 1923 started it off world 309 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,240 changing innovation and that meant that Rosh Hashanah 2023 310 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,880 was going to be the CEO. And so I was doing doubled off 311 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,240 to be able to complete that. My first round of shots I could 312 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,800 not have done even close. To doubled off you have to start 313 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,560 doing it smaller, doing the regular pace, being able to do 314 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,440 as much as you can. Then the next time around. 315 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,320 And this is a very formative thing that Rabbi Fran talked 316 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,840 about about 3:00 or so Seema shasas ago about having to go 317 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,680 Mikhail Akhile. Each round that you don't just 318 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,480 do the same doff over again. That if you read through it in 319 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,920 30 to 40 minutes this time around, then start going to a 320 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,200 sheer. If you went to a sheer, then you 321 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,680 know each time around you should go Mikhail Akhile. 322 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,440 And so over time, as I was going through each of the rounds, 323 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,160 that's where you get deeper. You get stronger at being able 324 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,840 to do it. But don't from the beginning 325 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,480 swing for the fences at being able to do all of it, because 326 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,680 that's going to be a much tougher hill to do if you 327 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,000 haven't built the muscles on the way to it. 328 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,280 And so college is a building on the muscles. 329 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,320 When you get out there for your first job, you will hopefully be 330 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,000 able to build on that and get it even stronger and the same kind 331 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,200 of thing as you go through each round of doing shots. 332 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,760 I really love that. And I also appreciate the fact 333 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,680 that it sort of flips a common misunderstanding on its head, 334 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,440 which is that some people think of yeshiva as like their climax 335 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,400 and the rest of their life is sort of a slow decline. 336 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,840 But you can actually look at it as like it's a new building that 337 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,560 starts low but then can build up, up, up, up, up. 338 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,200 And it's not The momentum is upward and not downward 339 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,400 throughout your career as a Bentura. 340 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,680 So I really appreciate that as well. 341 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,280 I love that take that you just had on it. 342 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,240 It reminds me of sometimes I get some of the students come by. 343 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,720 I meet just about every day with some of the students and 344 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,720 sometimes one of the comments that I get from them when I 345 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,280 asked them about the biggest surprise that they've had about 346 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,079 college, they were expecting them when they were going from 347 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:15,599 learning full time in yeshiva that was going to be stepped 348 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:18,680 down on the Torah side. And the biggest surprise to them 349 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,680 was was that they were able to step it up, that they were able 350 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,079 to have their Torah game upped at the same time as they were 351 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:28,160 adding on the Sci Sims courses and things like that and even 352 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,320 the SCI Sims curriculum. There's a bunch of things in the 353 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,880 OH that we bring to them to be able to have them be able to see 354 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,360 a lot of the new ways in which they're going to be able to 355 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:38,520 bring their tour into the workplace and deepening the 356 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,440 Taklas side of what they're learning and things like that. 357 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,920 But to have them say that they got even deeper in their Yiddish 358 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,800 kite and in their learning by coming to college is a great 359 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,920 example of that interim stage about going Michael Ohio that 360 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,840 you were just highlighting. A couple years ago, you felt the 361 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,480 need to introduce a Jewish values curriculum into scisibs. 362 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,360 Can you tell me a little bit about what you felt was missing 363 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:02,600 from the Jewish business world, that you were trying to fill 364 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,600 that gap and how someone who's maybe not inside Sims can fill 365 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,440 those gaps in their own life? Sure. 366 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,120 So sometimes it came from personal experience, but also 367 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:14,560 talking to lots of other people. When you come out of college, 368 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,760 you are not ready for the workplace challenges that you're 369 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,080 going to test. You're Yiddish, Skype. 370 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,360 And the more that we can build those muscles also during 371 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,200 undergrad, be able to understand a bunch of the things that we 372 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,800 have to be prepared for and then prepare for them, the much 373 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,080 better we're going to be able to be, to be able to to to deal 374 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,200 with them when they hit. It also has some fundamental 375 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,040 implications of if you know more about those challenges, you 376 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,720 might decide to go on a different career path. 377 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,200 And so there's, you know, some other fundamental things that 378 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,880 come from it. But overall, like my own 379 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,000 experiences, interviewing, having to deal with, when do I 380 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,680 tell them about Shabbos? When do I have them realize that 381 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,840 they're not going to have me for 25 hours a week? 382 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,560 How do I prepare for the mandatory orientation lunch 383 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,480 that's going to be in a Tref restaurant or the holiday 384 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,640 parties, And should I be going to them? 385 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,360 And if so, what could Durham should I be building around 386 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,880 that? The classic ones of kipa in the 387 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,880 workplace, shaking hands in the workplace, all those things, 388 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,160 those are things that typically from Jews who went to college 389 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,080 are not ready for when they get into the workplace. 390 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,240 And that is where they're going to be. 391 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,800 Real tests of your values, real tests of, you know, your 392 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,640 adherence to oloka and other things like that. 393 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,360 The more that we can prepare you for that, the better. 394 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,080 And so that's one of the courses that we developed that we then 395 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,920 deployed 2 and a half, 3 1/2 years ago. 396 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,680 Now, when we created the Jewish values curriculum and introduced 397 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,600 it, we had an Eloy in the realm of practical workplace oloka, a 398 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,160 guy named Aubrey Wasserman who developed that course for us. 399 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,880 And in it you see the Marma Comos. 400 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,600 So you're familiar with the Halaka, the Eskafa, and all the 401 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,800 other things that go into it. You see the role models, people 402 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,040 who have faced this and one of the solutions that they've found 403 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,520 in it. You are able to both learn about 404 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,680 those and also what we're deepening now about even being 405 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,560 able to practice those difficult conversations, doing a role play 406 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,040 with your boss about Shabbos being ready for what they're 407 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,400 going to throw back at you as. But if you have a really strict 408 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,520 deadline, midday Saturday. I mean, I can't even call on you 409 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,800 on then you know other things like that that you're going to 410 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,440 be able to be a lot better prepared for the unexpected when 411 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,800 it comes to those types of things. 412 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,040 And then going down like each of the paths within that course on 413 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,800 its own about this is the next challenge you're going to be 414 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,280 facing. Here's the Mario Mccomas here. 415 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,120 The role models here are the topless practices that you have 416 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,800 around that type of stuff. If you go back to the SCI Sims 417 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,640 mission, it's core to the mission. 418 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,120 It is where you are going to make sure you're being total 419 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,400 grounded that you're going to be able to excel during the other 420 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,920 24 six in the workplace, but they're going to be able to make 421 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,680 sure you can adhere to those values and then other pieces of 422 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,320 the Jewish values curriculum that we have. 423 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,960 There's a when we look at the mission statement again back to 424 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 it, informing everything excelling in the community. 425 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,360 So Reb, David Bashefkin developed a course for us called 426 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,120 Jewish Public Policy that he teaches along with Rob Daniel 427 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:09,480 Feldman that enables you to see how to be OSA, Goodsar, Fate, 428 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,200 Seybour, among other things. Take your business skills and 429 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,920 translate it into communal thinking, contributing to the 430 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,760 shuls, the schools, the seductive organizations by being 431 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,600 able to have during your 5:00 PM to the 9:00 AM serving on their 432 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,120 boards of directors, or being the executive director of those 433 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,640 organizations and other things like that. 434 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,120 Where you're being a key bridge about being able to make sure 435 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:33,160 that you're contributing not just to your household, not just 436 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,320 to your company, but also to the rest of the community. 437 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,120 And then several other things that we have within that 438 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,480 curriculum to be able to prepare the other parts of it. 439 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,320 One of our most recent, two of our most recent professors that 440 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,640 we added to the Jewish values curriculum. 441 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,000 One is a gentleman named Moish Bain. 442 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,440 Moish was a senior partner at Ropes and Gray, a major law 443 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,000 firm, and for the last six years, the head of the OU. 444 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,080 And when he retired from each of them, he came on board as a 445 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,480 science Sims professor. He teaches a course that Ari 446 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,600 Wasserman developed. By then, Moish has created his 447 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,360 own flavor of it, called Designing Your Jewish Life, 448 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,040 about being able to make when it comes to decisions that are 449 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,920 going to change. When you make that decision, 450 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,480 it's going to change the trajectory of your life. 451 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,800 Key inflection point decisions, how to make it in an intentional 452 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,000 way. So about choice of career, 453 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,200 choice of the community to live in, choice of even your spouse. 454 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,840 About how to be intentional about being able to do those 455 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,920 types of things. And one of our other ones who 456 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,640 just joined last semester is a woman named Erica Brown, the 457 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,320 head of the Jonathan Sacks Center at Yu, who teaches when 458 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,720 it's on the women's campus. Women's leadership through both 459 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:45,040 our Smarum and also through modern management readings like 460 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,920 you're able to see the Bridge Toru business and be able to see 461 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,440 how it's going to shape you as a leader. 462 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,200 And now on the men's campus she's teaching a, you know, the 463 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,400 non gender specific, if you will version of it of being able to 464 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,440 see a leadership course and being able to learn from among 465 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,280 the best in the field about this. 466 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,960 And typically, especially in the practical workplace Alafa course 467 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,320 it is people who have worked in the real world and are have 468 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,200 gotten rabbinic calls and that's where they can be that bridge 469 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,320 about being able to be the oh and bringing it together for you 470 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,600 to have you be prepared for it. And for those who don't have the 471 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,480 blessing of studying in your school, what were the best 472 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,440 resources that they could tap into to be able to improve 473 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,240 themselves in these areas, specifically halaja and the big 474 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,440 inflection points that really drive so much of what our life 475 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,520 looks like? What? 476 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,200 What should they be doing? So two things come to mind. 477 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:41,040 One of them is do it carefully, But Asela Kharov, make sure that 478 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,440 you have someone who, when you hit a shyla, they'll know how to 479 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,800 be able to go to them to do it carefully. 480 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,200 Part is make sure that that person is the same type that we 481 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,680 tap within the curriculum of being grounded both in, you 482 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600 know, rabbinic walls and the business world. 483 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Make sure they have a context for what goes on when you say to 484 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,560 them, can I go to this holiday party that's not going to be 485 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,400 serving alcohol, that they can relate to? 486 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,120 What other kinds of things go on at corporate holiday parties 487 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,120 when you're talking to them about you know the other forks 488 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:08,960 of the road that we've talked about that they can relate to 489 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,880 that but they can bring strength in halakhah and you know all the 490 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,520 other things that go into that. And so assail khara would be the 491 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,440 first of those. A key part of it is also 492 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,440 learning when to go to a Rob with a question. 493 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,720 And so that's one of the other key things we do within the 494 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,560 course and so being able to tune into that but brings up to the 495 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,200 second one. So Ari Wasserman has written 496 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,600 multiple spar him in this realm. Making it work is the Bible, if 497 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,640 you will, of being able to be prepared for these types of 498 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,400 issues. It's the core of what he then 499 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,000 left off into into the course women in the workplace he 500 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,320 co-authored with his wife, who is a Sci Sims grad who 501 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,680 experienced it herself when she was working. 502 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,280 Making it all work is the book that they did in that realm for 503 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,320 the women's side of it. So that's where you can be able 504 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,560 to get a bit of the taste of it. Not to the same depth, not with 505 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,400 them in front of the classroom shaping you, but that's where 506 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,920 you can get at least they pass through those. 507 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,080 OK. I want to transition a little 508 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,160 bit to the business world and the way you see it, there's a 509 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,560 conception out there that says that because of various factors, 510 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Jews are driven to very high income fields and high income 511 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,040 professions at the expense of maybe devoting themselves and 512 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,160 their careers to higher social capital and nonprofit work. 513 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,080 What's your take on that? So to me, I can give you a 514 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,680 little bit of an insight that I got back when I was at Harvard 515 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:33,280 and about how business has to be socially oriented and even the 516 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,320 nonprofit's have to be business oriented. 517 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,640 And so at Harvard they have a, each year, a business 518 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,800 competition where people are pitching, pitching their, you 519 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,560 know, their startups, having a judge team that is, you know, 520 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,480 judging which are the best ones of them, getting feedback from 521 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,600 them and things like that. They'd have two tracks. 522 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,760 There was a classic business track, and then there was what 523 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,400 they called the social enterprise track. 524 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,080 And remember I seen one slide that they had put up with the 525 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,040 names and brief descriptions of the five finalists from each of 526 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,360 those tracks. And what I realized was if you 527 00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,080 just take off the label at the top of it about which track they 528 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,640 were on, I really could not tell which they were in. 529 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,480 The social enterprise ones knew that they had to be sustainable 530 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720 businesses. You know that even if you're a 531 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,040 nonprofit, you have to make sure that there's a business model 532 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,960 that has enough cash coming in to be able to have you sustain 533 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240 pursuing your mission. And the business ones should 534 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,400 always make sure that they're having some kind of social way 535 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,360 that they are contributing to the world. 536 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,680 And so either way, you need your organizational skills. 537 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,880 Either way, you need the communal orientation. 538 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,280 When you bring the two of those together, that's where you can 539 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,360 rent make, you know, a lot of the key contributions, a lot of 540 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,760 the impact, a lot of the magic happen in that realm. 541 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,880 So I'm very much prefer if you can give it another example of 542 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,440 an antithotic pill until now. But the ultimate oh also, you 543 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,680 know, the oh between the sustainable organization and the 544 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,400 social mission, bringing the two of them together, not having it 545 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,880 be an either or is to me a critical part of that. 546 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:05,360 Beautiful. That's beautiful. 547 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,960 I want to finish off with taking a look at the pipeline. 548 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,280 You have young men and women coming into size Sims and they 549 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,920 go out into the community as they come into size Sims. 550 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320 What do you see are the biggest misconceptions that young people 551 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,200 have about the world of Business Today? 552 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,440 So one of them is that there's a very limited, short list of 553 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,400 things they can go off and do. They've heard of recurringly 554 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,840 maybe a handful of things that you can do and one of the key 555 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,600 things that we have to do is force them to explore. 556 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,160 I have them realize that there's lots of other things. 557 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,480 They know about 1 forest, see if they're coming in and they're 558 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,800 saying I have to major in finance because I want to be an 559 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,040 investment banker. And we have to pull back on the 560 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,960 reins and say it's very possible you should major in finance, but 561 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,080 investment banking is only one tree in that vast forest. 562 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,840 Let's introduce you to a bunch of the other trees. 563 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,600 Or on the flip side of it, sometimes they say I wanted to 564 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,880 major in finance, but I don't want to be investment banker, so 565 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040 I can't major in finance. Well, let's introduce you to 566 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,720 wealth management. Let's introduce you to 567 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,960 commercial banking. Let's introduce you to a bunch 568 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,640 of the other ones that will enable you to maybe have that 569 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320 better life to be able to have the balance be able to have the 570 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,160 values that you want to have. And so being able to expand 571 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,560 their scope, being able to have them realize that there's a lot 572 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,680 more out there that they should put toes into those waters that 573 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,440 they might want to dive into other pools and they've 574 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,040 anticipated. That's one of the key things 575 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,320 that we find in the curriculum. It's structured to have them not 576 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,120 have blinders on about what they're going to be doing. 577 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,600 A lot of times the unexpected is where the gems are. 578 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,360 A lot of times you find like the match for your the Co host that 579 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,840 Hashem gave you is not in anything that you heard until 580 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,200 now. It's not been any of the things 581 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,600 that people in whispering in your ear that you should be 582 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,560 doing. And so we have in the first year 583 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,400 of the curriculum is having them take courses across all 5 584 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,760 majors, one to two courses in each of them. 585 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,680 And a lot of times, magic happens in the unexpected ways 586 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,200 of they're finding that this is a better fit for me than the one 587 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,720 that I anticipated or that there's more than one of them 588 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,160 that's going to be a better fit for me. 589 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,200 We very much encourage the students to pull from all of Yu, 590 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,800 regardless of which school it's in, and to maybe do multiple 591 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040 things. So something that we call duels, 592 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,160 dual majoring, majoring and minoring. 593 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,800 Other things like that. Four years ago, 54% of our 594 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,080 students did duels. Now 74% of our students are 595 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760 doing duels because a lot of the best jobs, a lot of the most 596 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,800 rewarding ones. A lot of the ways in which 597 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,240 you're going to have a lot more of an impact is if you build 598 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,320 multiple pillars. And so it's expanding their 599 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,440 vision to be able to see beyond what the initial set of things 600 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,240 is. So that's one of the the key 601 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,200 parts of it. Another one is that they think 602 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,440 that you can't have the, oh, you're going to have to choose 603 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,240 between Torah and between excelling in the workplace. 604 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,400 Have them see the role models. A lot of times it's the 605 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,400 professors in front of them. A lot of the professors are SCI 606 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,720 Sims alumni or Yu alumni who come back to teach them. 607 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,360 They're working during the day, doing amazing things in the 608 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240 world, a president of a healthcare company, a senior 609 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120 venture capitalist like a a managing director of evaluations 610 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,560 firm, and things like that. These are some of our key 611 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,160 professors who are in front of them every day throughout the 612 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,960 semester, teaching them about the core content and ending each 613 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240 of the days with a Devartura that's connected to what they 614 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,680 learned or where they're talking about their experiences in the 615 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,360 workplace and things like that. And so having the students see 616 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920 those role models who are able to knit it together, we're able 617 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,520 to build those muscles over time. 618 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,880 That is one of the other key things that we have to have the 619 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,480 students aspire to and be able to have a road map by being able 620 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,640 to learn from those people about it. 621 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,520 And as students that you train go off into the workforce, you 622 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,000 mentioned before that the mission is built on getting them 623 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,720 ready to join the community. So there we can make a 624 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,480 distinction between joining a existing community and fitting 625 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,080 in. And then there's also 626 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,880 influencing, improving, developing and even changing the 627 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,000 community in certain sense. Are there any areas that you 628 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,600 really love to see your students going out? 629 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,200 And I guess changing is a is a strong word. 630 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,680 Are there any areas that you'd love to go see your students go 631 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,200 out and really make a big impact within the world of the Jewish 632 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,160 business professionals? I think there's so many 633 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,200 different flavors that we have of how the students are already 634 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080 doing it, even while they're at school, let alone when they go 635 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200 out. I remember like a little bit of 636 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,920 a surprise that I had when I came to Yu. 637 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,080 I'd be going around to different communities. 638 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,080 They'd be taking me there to get a feel for the lay of the land. 639 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,760 It did not surprise me that the ROV who was the ROV of the Shul, 640 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200 or who was the the head of school or the benign things like 641 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,680 that, that they got to Yu. The surprise for me was that as 642 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,680 I'm meeting the Chairman of the Board of directors of the Shul 643 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,640 of the school or you know other people who are key members of 644 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,280 the community, they were also from Yu, from a lot of times, 645 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,760 from Sci Sims and things like that I think already. 646 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,720 And this is actually captured really nicely by the prior 647 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,560 president of Yu, Richard, Joel, I think he was the one who 648 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,800 coined this is what I've heard. It's attributed by shame Omro 649 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,800 about Yu is turning out the clay Kodesh, but it's also turning 650 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000 out the lay kodesh. So the people are going to be 651 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,560 able to bring those business skills into the community even 652 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,600 though they have a day job. They're the lay leaders who are 653 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,880 going to be able to bring Kadusho to everything that they 654 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,520 do. And that comes in so many 655 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960 flavors that it's hard to be able to boil it down and give 656 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,720 you 1 little example of it. Last month I went down to Tampa 657 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,680 to an annual conference at the OU Does of executive directors 658 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,040 dominantly of schools, day schools in the US And I was 659 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:35,160 stunned by how many of those key players in the day schools from 660 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,480 that executive director position were SCI Sims alumni. 661 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Like just one after the other, people coming by and outing 662 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,840 themselves as having gone to Sisims and things like that. 663 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,280 We got into what things you tat like so many ways in which they 664 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,000 were having a unique impact that if you don't have the business 665 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,320 training, you're not going to be able to be as pointed, not as 666 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,960 ready to be able to do that and things like that. 667 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,520 Being able to understand organizations, how to read 668 00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,880 budgets. Some of them had been accounting 669 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,360 majors as Sisims. Now they were able to really 670 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,120 excel at being able to fill in the holes of the Menahel, could 671 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,880 not read the budget, think about the strategic marketing of their 672 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,680 schools, think about the processes within it that they 673 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,800 can put in place and other things along those lines. 674 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,080 And so those are just some of the flavors. 675 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,120 There's so many different ways that I'm hoping that our 676 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,800 students aren't going out, you know, as soon as they leave, 677 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,520 immediately impacting and whatever of those flavors as a 678 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:28,480 whole, wherever they are. For a final question, I wanted 679 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,680 to broaden the lens a little bit. 680 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,400 It could seem that it's so difficult just to worry about my 681 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,400 own Daladamos, my job, my Dafyomi, my family, my Shoal. 682 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,000 So it's hard to think broader the broader Jewish community, 683 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,720 but we are in a moment where we are sort of united by this fight 684 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,880 against anti-Semitism, this fight against those who want to 685 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,720 destroy the Jewish people. Do you have any parting thoughts 686 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,720 about how we, despite being so busy and working so hard to just 687 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,960 take care of our own smaller circles, how we can be connected 688 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,520 to the broader Amisal in this time? 689 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920 I think one of the key things that we've learned since October 690 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,520 7th is about the critical role of unity and that each person 691 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,440 has a role they can play even if they are thousands of miles away 692 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,400 from Eritis Row. And one of those, let's give you 693 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,800 one example, I'll give you a couple of personal examples. 694 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,639 The big DC rally back in October, why you sent down the 695 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:26,880 biggest contingent I think of anyone to their 44 buses, 2500 696 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,560 people going from New York down to there. 697 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,400 I was. So of those 44 buses to be the 698 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,360 bus captain of bus number 1414 is Yad. 699 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,520 When we talked about on that bus was you deed, what is you deed, 700 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,000 The beloved where is one of the things that we can see it coming 701 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,239 from yad be yad walking hand in hand, two people coming together 702 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,960 to be able to do things very powerfully. 703 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,880 And it's only through the unity that they bring to it that it's 704 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,800 going to be able to really become magic. 705 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,680 And we talked about on that bus that all of us are yad be yad, 706 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600 you know going down to DC and then we are going to join 707 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Claudius Rail more broadly beyond, beyond walking with all 708 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,800 the flavors of Yiddish, Kite and Unity to be able to support 709 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,960 Eretz Israel. And then when we got down to 710 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,040 there, they talked about one of the speakers very powerfully 711 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,120 talked about we have what's been estimated as 300,000 people here 712 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,840 right now, 300,000 Israelis who are being called up from the 713 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,400 reserve put the two of them together, us over here, the 714 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,920 300,000 of them across the ocean, we are fighting together 715 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,200 in the same direction. And by the way, that is the 716 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,160 600,000 that you say a special bracha for in fact on the bus on 717 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,760 the way up in, I mean when I was doing my urushalmi doff for that 718 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,760 day, I'm not on cycle with everyone. 719 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,360 So I was doing that out of the blue was that bracha and bracha 720 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,200 was urushalmi that I was talking about. 721 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840 And so on the way back we talked about we cited that speaker 722 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,720 about the six or thousand, we talked about the bracha and some 723 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:57,320 of the insurance and outs and things like that. 724 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,600 But that was the unity of it all coming together. 725 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,720 Even if we're here in the States, when we are there in our 726 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,760 tistro, we can all play some kind of unique role on the way 727 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,080 to it. My parents who made Aliyah 2 1/2 728 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,640 years ago, every day at the beginning of the war, it was a 729 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,160 new story about which Hassid they were going to the next day 730 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,880 for them to be able to be doing tying Sitzis, packing lunches, 731 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,320 you know, all these kinds of things that everyone had their 732 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,840 unique thing, even if they weren't putting on green that 733 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,840 they were all being able to support the people were putting 734 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,360 on the green. And so that unity as being a 735 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,920 critical piece of it. The second of the personal 736 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,160 stories when I was at that OU conference I had mentioned 737 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:39,200 before down in Tampa, we were short of a minion and so they 738 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,200 were able to find another three Yiddin who would be able to 739 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000 complete the minion that we had just before the conference 740 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,800 started and after we finished that davening, you know there 741 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,440 were three guys who were like standing there very nice in the 742 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,960 corner. I went over to one of them, 743 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,240 turned out to be someone named Ellie. 744 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,760 And I said, Ellie, would you like to put on my Trillin? 745 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,840 Something I'd never done before? But I've been inspired by some 746 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,480 of the stories that were coming out from Eric's Israel about 747 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,800 putting on Trillin in the plains and the slits of the soldiers 748 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,920 and things like that. And he said, yeah, he was 749 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,880 willing to do it and put on the film. 750 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,840 He found six things for him to say and davening. 751 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,720 And then afterwards, as we're wrapping it up, I said, Ellie, 752 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,520 that was so inspiring that you were willing to do that kind of 753 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,840 a thing right now. I told him like a little bit 754 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520 about the stories that there are soldiers have been called up who 755 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,400 can't put on the film themselves and people doing that for them. 756 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,400 And Ellie said, I have a cousin who's been called up and is in 757 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,960 that category. And said, Ellie, you just 758 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,120 connected with him the unity that you brought across the 759 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,960 ocean of being able to put on the twill in for him. 760 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,320 Do you want to do that again tomorrow, the next day? 761 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,240 He did it the next day, the third day of the conference when 762 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:40,960 the 3rd, that conference when it was ending. 763 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,560 I said, Ellie, we're not together the next day. 764 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,000 Do we want to try to be able to continue doing this? 765 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000 And he said essentially in the close of my of my of his cousin 766 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,680 that he would try to keep doing that the next morning. 767 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,920 What we did was we decided in order to be able to encourage it 768 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,560 a little bit that we would become Trillin buddies. 769 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Essentially, this is taking a page out of the entreal mindset 770 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,760 training that we give our students, how you develop new 771 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,320 habits and having an accountability buddy is a 772 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,240 powerful way to be able to instill that. 773 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,560 And so I said, Ellie, let's exchange pictures of us putting 774 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,280 on our Trillin each day and see how many of these that we can 775 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,840 keep going, see if we can be able to keep it up. 776 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,760 So next morning, I was in Staten Island. 777 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,160 I was going to be giving a keynote at the Triber conference 778 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,960 there, in the youngest of Staten Island. 779 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,480 I took a picture of myself and my trilling and texted it to 780 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,400 Ellie Bogota. Ellie and you know, have a great 781 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,960 day. An hour later he texted me his 782 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,880 picture of him and Trillan. Next morning I'm back home in 783 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,680 Boston and I'm in Hayadam. I said take a picture. 784 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,680 Greetings, Ellie from Hayadam in Brighton, MA and he says back an 785 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,000 hour later his picture. The next morning I take my 786 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,760 picture and before I can send it to him, Ellie sends me his 787 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,440 picture. And this is where he was 788 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,440 continuing to connect, to be able to see the new ways in 789 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,040 which he can be able to take on some new things in Yiddish Kite, 790 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,840 do it in the scuse of someone who is on the front lines, and 791 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,200 be able to connect with him across that across the first 792 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,160 couple of weeks. He only missed a couple of days. 793 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,000 The end of that, we actually created for him a little one 794 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,400 pager that all of his pictures that he had texted to me with a 795 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,280 picture of a khael in front of the Israeli flag, sent it to him 796 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,720 to mark, like his remarkable, you know, contributions that he 797 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:20,240 had across the ocean and, you know, across the Yiddish kite to 798 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,120 be able to contribute this. And I think he might have shared 799 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,600 it with his cousin and I suggested also sharing it with 800 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:29,320 his parents and stuff like that. Give him now, two months later, 801 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,480 Ellie's still in the routine. Ellie's built those muscles and 802 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,080 he's still bringing that back. We also, I shared with him 803 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,880 there's a weekly compilation of Defray Torah that I've been 804 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,480 doing for the last 20-6 years. And I said to him, Ellie, one of 805 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,320 the other things that your cousin probably isn't able to do 806 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,280 is learn on Shabbos. Let me send you the compilation 807 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,280 of Debray Torah and find one thing in it to maybe read over 808 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,600 Shabbos and keep him in mind. And so we've been able to 809 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,000 broaden it, be able to have him do more of that stuff. 810 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,200 There's just a story that I heard in shul on Shabbos here in 811 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,040 in your shall. I am just that one of the long 812 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,520 time subscribers in that Torah Norman Stark. 813 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880 He was telling me that he had shared it with the family. 814 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,480 That's not from if I'm understanding the. 815 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,080 The story right and they got off the Derek and like we didn't 816 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,840 really have any cashier to to Yiddish kite. 817 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,960 Sure they had seen him reading in shul I think it was and 818 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,360 they'd asked him about it and he shared it with them and he had 819 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,840 me add them to the distribution list. 820 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,400 And they each week on Shabbos, it's like the only catcher that 821 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,080 they have, they will read a part of that that net Torah, the the 822 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,880 compilation of the D Ray Torah. They are contributing to the 823 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,800 community in possibly ways they don't even realize about being 824 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,120 able to bring the Yiddish kind into their lives and deeper ways 825 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,840 than it would be otherwise. And so all of us in our unique 826 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,800 ways that we can find a way that we can do it consistently or a 827 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,240 new one each day and things like that. 828 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,840 That's where the clock comes together and the power of being 829 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,200 able to have everyone wherever they are in the world as Yiddin, 830 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,360 being able to bolster the the Medina and the arancisto, That's 831 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,640 one of the key things for us to find now. 832 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,760 Wow, that is really a beautiful message. 833 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,640 I also just parenthetically I love the Khayadam shout out 834 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,680 because that was where I dive in as a young boy. 835 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,000 That's a really beautiful message. 836 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,640 And thank you so much for joining us today. 837 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,480 OK. It's my pleasure, Jacob. 838 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,720 Thank you so much with everything that you're doing. 839 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:29,200 Thank you. Thank you so much for tuning in 840 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,960 to starting. If you're still listening at 841 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,520 this point, that means that you've enjoyed. 842 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,560 Please take a moment to give us a five star review, make sure 843 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,400 that you're subscribed, and share this episode with a few 844 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,240 friends. I want to thank our production 845 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,200 team, Yoni, Schwartz, Yitzuk Ribbon, and Yossi Book. 846 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,800 Until next week, keep on stagging Cobra.