1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,560 And I I think to be above us, it's a huge source. 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,480 And you know, especially today where we live in a time of war, 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,320 where people have to go out to me, Lewin, you know, I think 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,120 that that's exactly that's taking Torah and saying it's not 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,240 enough to send the base measures. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,480 You have to go out. And I think that's what 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,840 something that I'm so is understanding now was very 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,200 young. I was 20 and they were like, 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,120 listen, you're too young. We can't really hire you. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,640 And then a few hours later, they're like, you know what, 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,560 we're going to hire you because you have no one else. 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,360 And I didn't really leave yeshiva. 13 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,200 I felt like, OK, this is the first step. 14 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,760 And then we move on to the second step, which is taking to 15 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,960 run it and impacting it. And also after you leave your 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,680 ship, you still you still run to run. 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,720 I said I did Robin, it's me. Hi. 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,120 And I did that also after you I finished it after your Shiva, 19 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,360 you can still learn to after. And I feel like algebra I I did 20 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,800 not like my last year in Shiva because I felt like I need to 21 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,640 be. That's it. 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,320 It's enough. I'm ready to go out. 23 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,920 So I think it's OK. And not just it's OK. 24 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,200 It's it's good that you're not learning to all day because you 25 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,440 need to be doing stuff in this world. 26 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:00,320 I shouldn't put you in this world. 27 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,960 I feel to do stuff, not just a cinema. 28 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,440 Shalam Alaikum and welcome to Start Tank. 29 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,600 Start Tank is a podcast by the challenges and opportunities of 30 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,520 being a mentor in the workforce. This week we are joined by Ashi 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,520 Teragan. Ashi is a doctor in the ER, 32 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,800 Atari Select Medical Center, as well as doing a few other things 33 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,560 which we'll get into. So Ashi, welcome and thank you 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,600 for joining us. Thank you for having me. 35 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,000 So it's supposed to be on the show? 36 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,600 So before we jump in, a quick personal request to please make 37 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,480 sure that you're subscribed and then you've left a five star 38 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:37,840 review. It really helps us grow the show 39 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,240 and reach new listeners. So Ashley, you grew up in a home 40 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,400 where both parents are tremendous Marbet say Torah on a 41 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,800 world class scale, really top of the top. 42 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,000 In case you didn't know, Ashley's father is Rabbi Ruben 43 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Tarrigan, the Dean of overseas tell me them at Yoshiwata Hotel 44 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,240 and a former guest on the show. His mother is Urbani Shawni 45 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,400 Tarrigan. So what was that like for you 46 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,280 growing up in such a home? Home filled with Torah, but it's 47 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,720 a special type of Torah because it's Torah that's geared towards 48 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,120 I'm Israel and towards Eretz Israel. 49 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,120 My parents, they made aliyah. They sacrificed a lot and 50 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,280 they're first in their families to make aliyah, so they didn't 51 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,800 really have much here. Later, my cousins moved after 52 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,360 they did, but there was a lot of muna and what they did that 53 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,200 basically impacted the whole family. 54 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:30,120 So I got a lot from that and it kind of geared me towards what I 55 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,720 wanted to do in the future. Amazing. 56 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,240 And someone mentioned to me that you made a Siam Ashas Gamora, 57 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,600 your bar mitzvah. Is that true there? 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,120 Is some truth to it. I'd made a few FUSC mashas 59 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,040 throughout my years. I did in high school. 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,240 I did when I got married. I did after I finished the Army. 61 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,720 I believe in integrating every step of your life with terror. 62 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Right. So you're learning a lot from a 63 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:53,880 very young age, and obviously you have these two great role 64 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,680 models of examples growing up. So when you were arrived at 65 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,560 yeshiva, did you already have an idea of what you want to do with 66 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,840 your life? Were you attracted to maybe 67 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,640 going in their path and becoming a teacher or Mahaner? 68 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Yes, yes and no. I was very attracted to teach 69 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Torah and I loved how they had the connection to so many. 70 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,560 Tell me them and such a huge impact. 71 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,120 And I can see how the relationships that they built 72 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,120 continued with them throughout their steps. 73 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,840 Meaning students continue to keep cashier. 74 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:22,160 I remember as a kid I would open the door of our house and I find 75 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,160 letters with envelopes with things inside, not knowing what 76 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,040 is what's inside. And then one time I decided to 77 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,640 open it and I saw a few. I saw a gauze pad with some 78 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:34,080 blood on it, and I didn't understand what it was. 79 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,640 And then I realized a few years later that those were all the 80 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,240 need, the questions that my mother was getting. 81 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,120 So. So yes. 82 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,360 But I guess the question is, like you, you see their impact, 83 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,800 you see what work they're doing. You yourself were learning a lot 84 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,600 of Torah. So. 85 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 So why was that like a serious option at some point? 86 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Yes, and I did, meaning I, I still teach and I taught her for 87 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,800 many, many, many years. I taught at high schools. 88 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,960 I taught Mccraw High in high school. 89 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:03,680 I was around there. I taught at Ghosh, I taught the 90 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,960 MTA program of the Australians. I taught many, many years and 91 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,280 this is a can speak better later, one of my focuses on my 92 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,560 life teaching converts through the Rabbanut. 93 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,880 For 10 years I taught all the thousands of Israeli soldiers 94 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,880 who wanted to convert. Every month we have around 300 95 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,240 students from the Israeli army who want to convert. 96 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,280 So that is definitely something that I continue to do and I 97 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:31,680 enjoy, and I love Torah. At the same time, I also wanted 98 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,120 to focus on other things which I felt I could do besides teaching 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,600 Tara. So let me tell us about some of 100 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,880 those things. You know, you're a doctor, you 101 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,080 do some other things as well. So. 102 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,840 So what were some of the steps we started to take to diversify, 103 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:44,880 not just be teaching Tara and learning Tara what you were also 104 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,080 doing, but to do additional things as well? 105 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,320 I believe in the Gemarma Shabbos and also the round bomb. 106 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,360 But what I mean the Gemarma Shabbos says first of all, 107 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,800 everyone needs to know three things. 108 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,360 That's Mila, saphris and shrita. So when I was in yeshiva, I 109 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,640 studied all three and the bar Hashem I do all three saphris. 110 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,960 I used to write missus was from my convert students. 111 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,200 I used to help fix the Freitura moshita. 112 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,080 I took a shrita course when I was in yeshiva and I used to 113 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,640 help chef in their roster room whenever they wanted some 114 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,120 turkeys, some kosher turkeys and Shabbat soup had a lot of kosher 115 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,000 turkeys I would bring home. And I do a lot of brisses and 116 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,800 something I'm very, very proud of and gets me very, very 117 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,280 excited, especially as a doctor, being able to combine halacha 118 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,840 medicine through the mice of a bristle, something very, very 119 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:29,560 special. So I think, you know, taking 120 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,320 tour and not just leaving it something which isn't a safe 121 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,760 hill in the classroom, but implementing it out in the 122 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,800 field. I think that's part of being a 123 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,040 rub. And unfortunately, I feel that 124 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,680 sometimes today around like you being yeshiva, but you don't 125 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 really know all the, the practicality to it. 126 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,560 And that's a very big disconnection than I felt when I 127 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,960 was in yeshiva. And so I do that. 128 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,920 The second thing that I'm sure you've heard many from many 129 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,000 other people is the bambam that says that you have to have 130 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,720 Torah, Mulaka and without Mulaka, the Torah and Amit 131 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,600 Kayevit. And you know, everyone thinks 132 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,080 the bambam who was also a doctor. 133 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,440 I really believe that way. The bambam for me is a Dumutla 134 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,000 Moffet where I also try to have mulaka with my Torah. 135 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Not just because you just need malacha to make money. 136 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,880 You don't want Torah to be the base, the the source of your 137 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,440 money, your income. But also because I believe that 138 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,200 through Torah you can use the Torah and you should use the 139 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Torah to to impact the world, not just in the world of Torah. 140 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,320 And that's what I do when I practice medicine. 141 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,320 So I want to hear more about that, but I guess just, you 142 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,600 know, obviously the Ramam is, is well known, but it's also well 143 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,720 known that, you know, Lamisa, even people and Claudia Sell 144 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,520 who, you know, believe in working as a principal and they 145 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,240 believe in going to the army and all these things. 146 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,760 The more the more integrated and broader sections of the Torah 147 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,240 community don't pass in the Rambam in the fact that like 148 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,120 rabbis to be a full time rabbi, to be a teacher, to receive a 149 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,680 scar for that Paranasa for that is, is, you know, they're, 150 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,000 they're very it's very uncommon to find that. 151 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,920 And again, growing up, you had two parents who were, you know, 152 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,480 Miss Parnas based on the the very widely accepted head there 153 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,200 of teaching Torah and being paid for that. 154 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:55,720 So. So maybe tell a little more 155 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,200 about why this Ramam spoke to you and why it was important 156 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,800 that the Paranasa and the Malaha be a part of it. 157 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,000 So I guess, you know, going back to the question you asked, I 158 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,480 don't know my parents would be so happy if I say this, but I 159 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,800 will say that they, my parents had ambitions to also do things 160 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,280 besides Torah. My mom, my mother and father 161 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,960 both wanted to be doctors. And I think, you know, when they 162 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,760 made a Leah, the careers had to be focused on Torah. 163 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,080 And also that's the path that way they went on to and it 164 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,640 doesn't allow them to do really other stuff which is not terror. 165 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,800 Personally, I think that if they, my mother always says she 166 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,280 still wants to study medicine. And I think that bar Hashem, I 167 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,200 have the source of being able to combine both and to show that it 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,720 is possible to stay teaching Torah and to work, work and 169 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,800 something which is not terror. And I think it is possible and, 170 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,280 and, and, and I know that there are people who do it, who focus 171 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,480 on terror from, from when I impact, from what I experienced, 172 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,400 I, I did not, not like that lifestyle. 173 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,400 I wouldn't say the wrong, the word of wrong. 174 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,840 I don't think I'm close to you. I think there's a lot of 175 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,760 problems and just having terror now that's my moon, that's my 176 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,640 ash kafa. I feel that when you, when your 177 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,720 life is just Torah and your income is dependent on it, it 178 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,640 can cause problems. You know, sometimes you don't 179 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,200 want to say that, for example, we have this phenomenon. 180 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,880 I'm sure you're aware of it of rabbis who used to work as a 181 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,400 rather of a show of a community. And then they're fired because 182 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,960 they said some things that the community did not want to hear. 183 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,320 So if your income is dependent on Torah, you're not going to 184 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,400 say things because the community doesn't want to hear that that 185 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,240 has AI think it's just it's hologically wrong. 186 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,440 I think it's scuffly wrong and everything there is wrong. 187 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,080 So it once I am not dependent on Torah and I could teach Torah. 188 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,320 Ms. you know, out of muna. This is the right thing and I'm 189 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,880 doing it Lishma. Then I feel like my Torah is 190 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,440 also much deeper and I'll send a personal level. 191 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,720 I feel that, you know, when I come to a class and people know 192 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:55,400 that I'm a rabbi and a doctor and a lawyer, Then then when I 193 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,200 teach Torah and when I share stories that are related to 194 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,280 Torah and has a huge impact on their lives and that where most 195 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,200 of them are not going to be something. 196 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,560 I'm just in the base measures all day. 197 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,840 Most of them going to be people who go out to the world and and 198 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,600 do stuff and Barkha Shami get a lot of questions which are 199 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,960 exactly on the cool of Torah and Mado Torah and and working. 200 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,160 And most people can be by a bus. And I I think to be a by a bus, 201 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:22,360 it's a huge source. And you know, especially today 202 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,440 where we live in a time of war, where people have to go out to 203 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,080 me Lewin, you know, I think that that's exactly that's taking 204 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,040 Torah and saying it's not enough just in the basis of interest. 205 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,240 You have to go out. And I think that's what's 206 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,160 something that I'm so is understanding now. 207 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,720 So I hope that answers your question. 208 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,760 Yes, you mentioned the financial independence, which is which is 209 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,280 a very important thing. And I think it's also, you know, 210 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,720 interesting to note how, you know, I think many people had 211 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,960 big influence on Kali. So I'll do it because they are 212 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 not dependent on their big salary. 213 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,960 You know, people like our local scene we've had on this show has 214 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,320 been a very big Margaret's Torah and he's a complete free agent 215 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,480 hoscopically because he's very financially independent. 216 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,960 And we've we had a great conversation with him. 217 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,800 But I guess a few things I want to follow up on. 218 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,240 You know, you said that you're able to be free because you have 219 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,800 other incomes when you do to your teaching on the side. 220 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,760 Are you mock but to not take money for that or are you OK 221 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Think it's harmatology? It's interesting because I also, 222 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,600 you know, Barksham was OK to have Paranasa and also to do 223 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,840 some teaching on the side and even in the hawk. 224 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,000 So he has about about about harbatology. 225 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,720 This comes up. So I'm wondering just for you is 226 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,640 that is that saying that because you have your other income, 227 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:28,080 you're prefer to be mock me or not take money if you're 228 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,600 teaching or it's still important to get that? 229 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,440 So definitely Kabura's ensuring that I give an aside which is 230 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,720 not a Kabua job. I don't I don't take money for 231 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,560 no question about it. I feel like that that's 232 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:42,320 completely schma when it's part of today. 233 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,920 I teach Torah as part of a curriculum. 234 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,840 For example, I teach in my hotel, I teach their Torah 235 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,800 ethics and halacha related to nursing. 236 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,760 So there I feel that staff could because I'm teaching stuff which 237 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,440 is not just Torah, but it's the implications of Torah on their 238 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,360 jobs. It's a practical tool. 239 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,200 So I do take money for it. It definitely helps the it's our 240 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,400 a bit. I got my income is not still not 241 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,560 dependent on it, but I feel like when you take take money, you do 242 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,640 the job more seriously. I find this when I do bristles, 243 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,400 I used to do bristles for free. And first of all, bristles takes 244 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,760 when you want to do it seriously and do it well, it takes a lot 245 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,960 of time because you come a day before you come a day after you 246 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,280 want to take out the bandage. You have to be available to the 247 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,000 parents. I used to do it for free and I 248 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,280 found a that it takes a lot, a lot of time. 249 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,840 This time comes off on other stuff. 250 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,840 It comes off on my work, on my family. 251 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,080 So even though it's a mitzvah, you know, to do abreast the same 252 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,520 way it's a mitzvah to teach, I think, I think Dafka because it 253 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,200 takes so much time and you want to do it well, then I think 254 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,760 that's OK to take money. And I'm not just OK. 255 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,320 I think it's great. So what I mean, my last thing 256 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:54,040 when, when I did not take money sometimes, especially by like 257 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 secular people, they would not respect that. 258 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,840 They would find that they felt like I would not be doing a 259 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,440 serious job if they don't give me money. 260 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,840 I for example, there's a bris I took, I took 1500 Shekel. 261 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,640 And then the guy's like, wait a second, does that mean you're 262 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,480 not good enough? Because you, you know, I know 263 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,600 all the people, all the doctors take 3000 shekel. 264 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,320 And I decided, you know what, you're right, I should take 2000 265 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,640 shekel and it's it's that concept of money reflects the 266 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,800 work that you do. Yes. 267 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,840 I hope that answers your. Question OK. 268 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,760 So you know, you spoke about the financial aspect of combining 269 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,560 Torah and Malacca, but you were also alluded to before. 270 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,560 There are other bridges there, other connections, the other 271 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:31,520 benefits that come from this pollination of of 2 worlds. 272 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,800 So I wonder if you could tell me more about that specifically in 273 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,840 your in your medical, your medical career and you also 274 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,800 threw in, I wanted to make sure you don't miss this point. 275 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,840 You're also a lawyer. How did that come to be? 276 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,800 And how is that also part of this broader framework? 277 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,560 So I deal a lot. There's a lot of connections 278 00:12:45,560 --> 00:12:48,960 between medicine and halacha. I personally deal in emergency 279 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,680 medicine and tried said that where it's not, there's a lot of 280 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,600 there's a huge religious population there. 281 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,840 So I get a lot of questions in the emergency room. 282 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,280 I'm a little bit like the rabbi of the emergency room questions 283 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,280 related to life and death. You know, how much do you have 284 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,640 to intervene? Should you intubate? 285 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,000 Should you not intubate and pick families when they come? 286 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:08,920 They have no clue that they don't, they don't know anything. 287 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,520 It's so tense and so anxious with what's going on and 288 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,520 overwhelmed that being able to tell them, listen, it's fine if 289 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,560 you don't intubate holically, you don't have to worry about 290 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:21,160 it. This is a situation where the 291 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,200 intubation can kill the person and it's OK not to intubate. 292 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,120 It's not us, Sir. It might even be the exact, the 293 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,920 exact direction where Allah had bleeds. 294 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,800 Better not to intubate. And that gives them more 295 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,080 manifest with dealing with the situation. 296 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Another example, of course, is, you know, leaving the emergency 297 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,080 room on Shabbos. In what cases can you leave? 298 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,760 What cases can't you leave? I wrote an article about it to 299 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,960 Tumen. And I believe that there are a 300 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,880 lot of cases where patients should be able to leave the 301 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,080 emergency room on Shabbos. And, you know, being able to 302 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,720 give them the sock based on another sock in which one was 303 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,600 I'm in Orbach and that's it's a liaiser telling them when it's 304 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,800 OK to leave, especially when they have an elderly patient who 305 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,280 needs to go home. And if he doesn't go home, 306 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,200 there's risks of staying in the hospital. 307 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,600 So that you know, we're practical halacha meets meets 308 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,720 medicine. But I also feel that when you 309 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,600 when you learn Torah and you learn the values of Torah, it 310 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,440 impacts the the work that you do where you feel yourself as a 311 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,120 Shalia have a kadosh before an army. 312 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,200 What? And you mentioned the. 313 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,760 Legal stuff I discuss of also being a lawyer. 314 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,120 I studied law at the same time I studied medicine. 315 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,960 I worked in I my my, my, my Mumbai autism as a medical 316 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,040 malpractice. So I used to present represent 317 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,880 the plaintiffs, the tovim against the doctors. 318 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,000 And my goal was to protect doctors. 319 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,120 And now I share my help protecting hospitals against 320 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,440 lawsuits. I feel that's also slipped in a 321 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,360 way and. You explain what that means, 322 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,040 that you're representing the patients who are suing doctors, 323 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,600 and you did it in order to protect doctors. 324 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,080 So that's complicated when you learn when you learn the faults 325 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,640 of the doctors are and you know what the mistakes that we can do 326 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,520 then a, as a doctor, you can protect yourself from those 327 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,720 mistakes, meaning you make sure you don't do those mistakes. 328 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,120 You know what the red flags are. But B, as a hospital, you can 329 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,440 make sure you don't get sued and you don't pay money that you 330 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,120 shouldn't be paying to people who don't deserve to get that 331 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,120 money. And unfortunately, you have a 332 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,800 lot of cases where people just want to get money. 333 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,520 And when you take money from a hospital, you basically hurt you 334 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,840 basically hurt him all about me. So because that hospital doesn't 335 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,680 have as much money to help now that the patients, I find that 336 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,080 also to be the cook, you know, especially when it comes to 337 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,720 questions of EMET. The check here to be a lawyer 338 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,920 who who focuses on Emet and you know, having that flexibility to 339 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,760 focus on that. Because the same way as a rabbi, 340 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,640 I made it very clear to the law office, I'm not going to touch a 341 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,440 lawsuit where I don't believe in the lawsuit. 342 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,280 I mean, if I think the check here, I'm not going to be part 343 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,040 of this and I'm even going to tell them, I'm going to tell 344 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,360 them, listen, this is a case we should not go to court. 345 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,480 You should try to make have a compromise. 346 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,160 Have a sure as quick as possible so you don't waste your time, 347 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,920 but be because the person really deserves that money. 348 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,320 You know that that's the same thing, Tower values that 349 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,200 reflects what you what you do with Lamisa. 350 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,680 I'm wondering, you know, your career choice as a doctor is a 351 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,880 is one that has a lot of values to it. 352 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,320 You know, there's there's always many mitos attached to it is 353 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,120 medicine for everybody, meaning like a certain Toro thought 354 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,760 process would say, let me choose a profession which is as aligned 355 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,120 as possible with as many mitzvahs and helping and, and 356 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:24,640 has said and and other things like that. 357 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,520 And so you were Zoka, you know, in Israel is very difficult for 358 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,400 people to get into medicine. You know, kudos to everyone out 359 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,520 there who's been through the system. 360 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,360 And it's really not Lopez shoot the clow. 361 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Or if someone just doesn't have like, how do we go about 362 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,040 thinking about this choice of profession because it seems to 363 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,000 be such a great one, but it's not for everybody. 364 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,840 We don't need a nation where everyone's a doctor. 365 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,040 So how do you go about thinking about that choice of profession 366 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,200 versus others? So as you say, it's a big 367 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,960 supposed to be a doctor. I think whoever can wherever as 368 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,280 the killing should do it. But I'm starting to meet more 369 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,480 and more religious doctors out there in the field, which was 370 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,680 not so common before. It is difficult and as well 371 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,000 hopefully become a bit more easier. 372 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,840 If you're not a doctor that of course, there's a lot, a lot of 373 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,440 things you can help people. Mavaran used to love fields jobs 374 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:13,400 that would help people. He did not like lawyers, but he 375 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,560 what I told him I'm going to medicine. 376 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,280 He was very, very happy because being able to take turn helping 377 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,720 using that Torah values to help people, that's a tremendous 378 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:22,839 thing. So anything that helps people 379 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:24,839 can have physical therapy, you know, speech therapy, you can 380 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,119 have any anything which is related. 381 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,400 Medicine is not just a doctor, you can be a nurse anything 382 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,880 again, yes, the person has to see that. 383 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,280 That's what that's what's my team for them for the neshama. 384 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,280 And then that's there's and sometimes it's confusing. 385 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,080 People don't know what they want personally. 386 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,920 You have to know what you want, and then after you know you 387 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,400 want, you have to make sure it fits with the Torah values to 388 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,880 take the Torah values and implement them. 389 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,640 So, I mean, yeah, you know, it's very common people to go into 390 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,840 things that are nothing related to medicine, business and stuff 391 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,480 like that. And you mentioned, you know, 392 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,040 people need to know what they want, but it's not always so 393 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,120 clear. It's not always so simple. 394 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,280 People have, you know, various skills or various interests, and 395 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,280 they're really not sure what to do. 396 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,280 So do you have any tips for people who are trying, trying to 397 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,360 find their way, find their mission, even though they don't 398 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,440 know, maybe have different options or don't have options? 399 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,920 I'm still young, meaning there's a question which you should ask. 400 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,360 You know, people are much older, usually they like to get tips. 401 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,240 Today there's so many options. That's why I'm so confusing for 402 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,280 me, it was very clear when I was young that I wanted to be a 403 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,440 doctor. Cases where it's not clear and 404 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,560 you have to go out and try, you have to go out and look and dive 405 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,880 in a lot to have shimmer. I, I love the pasa Karina 406 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,960 Shandar Kevon handy bro. I'm sure the mantra. 407 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,920 I even as a doctor, it can be very confusing. 408 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:32,320 You don't know what profession you want. 409 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Even after you know what profession you want, you don't 410 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,160 know what hospital you want. You're always going to have 411 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,160 spakers in life. I think you have to dive. 412 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,040 You have to go out there and, and, and taste it. 413 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,480 You can't just sit and talk about it. 414 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,200 You know, same way you can't just talk about you have to, you 415 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,720 have to go out to the shut off and do it. 416 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,040 And I think when people go out and they did, they try things 417 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,360 and then they get a better sense of what they want. 418 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,600 You also alluded to the fact, you know, around the Constein 419 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,880 that Honolulu Raja, you know, was not a big fan of the legal 420 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,600 profession. And I've never really like 421 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,920 gotten a gun. I never really I've been curious 422 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,680 about this, but never had a chance to actually go into a 423 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,720 deeply about why he was so against what what was it that he 424 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,840 saw the legal press and they thought that it was not a good 425 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,640 profession for for many. I think for first morally 426 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,680 thought that a lot of lawyers would not would be Baderf Yasha 427 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,960 Baderf Ms. It would cause people to lie or say things close to 428 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,600 lying. You know, it puts you in a lot 429 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,760 of ethical dilemmas, especially if you're trying to be a 430 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,400 Ventura, but also because once you stop focusing on people and 431 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,320 you know, it becomes complicated because you forget what what's 432 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,240 really important as a lawyer, you see a lot of papers, a lot 433 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,000 of technical stuff, and you forget sometimes that you're 434 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,800 dealing with people. I think that's something that 435 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,160 that he even not like. Because that second point, you 436 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,320 know, could be applicable to many things and I count into 437 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,600 just crunching numbers all day, can also forget that he's 438 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,160 actually providing the financial services to a person at the end 439 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,080 of the day. Right. 440 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,120 I think it's a combination of both, meaning I think, you know, 441 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 it's a, a doctor, an accountant, and then a lawyer. 442 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,720 You know what I mean? Because but again, I had many, 443 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,080 many students, He had lawyers and he had accountants. 444 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,480 He had everything. Anyway, I think it depends on 445 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,960 how the person would act. And did that concern bother you 446 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,320 when you decided, you know, there's a, as you alluded to, 447 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,000 it's it's not Pasha, and you've created a clear moral stance for 448 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,160 yourself. But will you ever worry that you 449 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,160 know such a prevalent mindset or danger could be a problem for 450 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,240 you? And maybe you shouldn't go down 451 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,080 that path of being a lawyer? So again, my law is is tough out 452 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,040 to my E car. It's a tool to help my E car 453 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,800 become better. My E car is to be an avid ashram 454 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,560 and to work as a doctor. That's something that's that's 455 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,400 my eco. That's what I feel my still hood 456 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:49,560 in all has is and the law helps, but it's it's not my eco. 457 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,680 Yeah, I'm also involved a little bit of risk management. 458 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,520 So that helps. That's where it also comes in a 459 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,840 little bit. OK, a few more topics I want to 460 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,560 touch on. You know, you mentioned that you 461 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,800 learned in yeshiva, so that tells us about the issues that 462 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,440 you learned in. And I'm wondering, did you ever 463 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,600 have herb aim? Who were disappointed, upset, 464 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,080 pushed you to to not go out and focus on other things? 465 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,960 Is that saying that you were ever ever encountered? 466 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,600 Or Hashem, No, but I'm going to be very going to say something 467 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,680 that might not sound so good. I picked my ribane, you know 468 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,880 what I mean? Meaning I go to someone who I 469 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,440 think is good for my Sharma and I think, you know, is the right 470 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,400 person for for Ashley Tarigan. And if he's not right for Ashley 471 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,680 Tarigan, I leave him now. But Hashem, it was very clear to 472 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:42,320 me who I should go to. I had many, many rabaine and 473 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,360 they all helped me. You know, I built a cache with 474 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,240 all of them. And I was in high school. 475 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,600 I went to McCarthy and I had Rav Dobzinger I'm still very close 476 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,960 with. I had Rush, who I loved very, 477 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,760 very much. And then I went to Kush and I 478 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,640 had Ravaran and Weiffelt was one of the main rabbis for me. 479 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,080 And gosh, I have a bazaq. Well, I liked very much as 480 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,640 fiber. And when I went to KBY, I very 481 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,880 much like the rodents. Like that's the main reason I 482 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,720 went to KBY. And I like for a month, it was 483 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,760 my first month as a shoeboxer. We got to connect. 484 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,440 Then I was completely clueless. And you were able to get me to 485 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:20,720 shade a little bit until my Shiva. 486 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,360 Appreciate that until today. Yeah, you know, I guess, I guess 487 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:24,480 it's me, Shamaya, and we met there. 488 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Otherwise, it's hardly happening. 489 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,440 And I felt that, yeah, that this was a being there, you know, I 490 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,840 was experiencing what Bluffman, why my door and I, I think he's 491 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,280 great. But for some, they all, they all 492 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,480 had an impact on what I do today. 493 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,640 Bachman is very for being a lawyer. 494 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,200 I remember many times we'd come to share late exasperated at 495 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,360 some yeshiva meeting and say you guys really go be lawyer. 496 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,800 So that's AI guess I'm a whole guest between him and our and 497 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,760 they had other Muslim as well. But we'll do that for another 498 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,240 time. You always have to clarify with 499 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,800 the black one what he really means. 500 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,240 Yeah, exactly, exactly. So Dave, one or two more 501 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,520 questions before we wrap up here. 502 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,960 You mentioned that you're teaching converts, you know, 503 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:03,240 versus also that the Mila, you know, we're going to record this 504 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520 before she was, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to 505 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,600 release it after she was. So we talked a little more about 506 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,400 about how the opportunity came up and why you why you enjoy it 507 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,360 so much. Teaching conference, Misha mine. 508 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,000 That's the way I feel everything is. 509 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:20,720 I was. I just finished the Army and I 510 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,920 wanted to start working, and I saw a sign that they're looking 511 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,480 for teachers in something called NATIV. 512 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,160 In the Army, I had a soldier, I was a commander. 513 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,320 I had a soldier who also went to NATIV, nativist Conversion 514 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,600 program. I didn't fully understand what I 515 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,080 meant. And then I went there. 516 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,360 I was very young. I was 20. 517 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,960 And they were like, listen, you're too young. 518 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,400 We can't really hire you. And then a few hours later, 519 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,320 they're like, you know what? We're going to hire you because 520 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,960 you have no one else. And bokash. 521 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,880 And they saw, they saw that was very good. 522 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,480 And they kept me there. And I still go and teach there. 523 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,200 And I taught a lot of soldiers and a lot of citizens. 524 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,400 And I feel like you take terror and you change a person really 525 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,320 because you make them Jewish. You know, as we transition from 526 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,720 Shavuous to after Shavuous, it reminds me of, you know, the, 527 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,400 the, the transition from yeshiva to after yeshiva, from this 528 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,040 intense experience of Torah to a, a different type of 529 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,400 relationship with Torah. And, you know, you describe your 530 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,160 own journey as having sort of very clear path. 531 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,960 You came into Yeshiva adata, the hockey to leave yeshiva and to 532 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,280 go out and work and become a doctor. 533 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,240 But for some, it's not so clear. They don't have it as fleshed 534 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,760 out. And then that transition Shiva 535 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,960 can feel like a decline, can feel like they are receding and 536 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,760 they're I'm in there in their relationship to Torah. 537 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,400 So do you have any advice for people who are experiencing 538 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,440 those emotions and and and reframing it in a way that's 539 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,680 more healthy and wholesome? So I was in Shiva in many, many 540 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,560 years. I was in issue as in I see as 541 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,840 many years, other people, you know, six years and I didn't 542 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,360 really leave yeshiva. Meaning I always felt that my 543 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,880 goal in she was to prepare for life. 544 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,480 That's something that we're around and speak about a lot. 545 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,240 Have me done. So I felt like, OK, this is the 546 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,760 first step and then we move on to the second step, which is 547 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,360 taking to run it and impacting it. 548 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,200 And also after your leadership, you still, you still run to run. 549 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,520 I did it, but it's me high. And I did that also after you 550 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,040 finished it, after your Shiva, you can still learn to after. 551 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,200 And I feel like algebra, I did not like my last year in Shiva 552 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,160 because I felt like I need to be that's it. 553 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,800 It's enough. I'm ready to go out. 554 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,440 So I think it's OK. And not just it's OK. 555 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,720 It's it's good that you're not learning to all day because you 556 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:19,960 need to be doing stuff in this world. 557 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,840 I shouldn't put you in this world. 558 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,680 I feel to do stuff, not just to sit on my that's my ash cover. 559 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,840 OK, And last question before we get to our rapid fire around, do 560 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,440 you have any time management tips? 561 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,880 You know, you're a doctor, you're do some other things you 562 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,800 can get to. You know, if that's Allah and 563 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,480 research and lawyer and teaching Torah. 564 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,960 You have your own family bar Hashem, us very wonderful 565 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,600 children who I got a chance to meet as you and I both have 24 566 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,760 hours in the day. You should be doing a lot more 567 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,600 on your 24 hours than I do. So I wonder if you can give me 568 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,520 some tips. Yep, I think the plan plan ahead 569 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,000 in advance. So what were you going to do 570 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,120 every day? What time and what slot, And 571 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,560 also to know what's eco and what's tougher. 572 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,800 For example, when I was in yeshiva, I felt like this year's 573 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,760 not getting the shit that I was. I wasn't giving me anything. 574 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,640 I'm like, OK, I'm just going to soon learn by myself or, you 575 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,480 know, to know what what really helps me right now and what what 576 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,200 is what is not good. I mean, what's eco, what's 577 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,120 tougher and don't a lot of things that waste your time to 578 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,360 waste your time. Everyone's trying to get your 579 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,880 your time now your time is very expensive. 580 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,880 Everyone's trying to to take it from you. 581 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,720 You have to make sure that it's in your hands. 582 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,040 No one, no one should take away from you unless it really 583 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,600 deserves it. Family deserves time. 584 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,280 So that's a beautiful final answer and I appreciate you 585 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040 taking some of your very precious, valuable time and 586 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,120 sharing with us. We have a rapid fire around 3 587 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:27,880 short questions, three hopefully short answers. 588 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:30,240 In the summer we have nice long Shabbas afternoons. 589 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:31,440 What do you like to do at that time? 590 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,400 I like to sleep because I have a multi shabba shift. 591 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,680 Arsala Shavua, do you have a favorite safer that you turn to 592 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,600 for physic inspiration or something interesting? 593 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,480 I learned with my kids called Sefa parsha a parsha miss 594 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,000 apparently and I teach my kids about the parsha. 595 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,440 Seem like that's the focus. Beautiful. 596 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,720 And finally, if you were forced to leave medicine, leave law, 597 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,320 and leave your teaching Torah, find some new profession may say 598 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,160 you dreamed of doing as a kid, what would that be? 599 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,400 I it's not relevant because it's not just not relevant. 600 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480 That's why I mean, don't let things which are no, don't, 601 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,120 don't let things, other things waste your time. 602 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,520 My focus is Sarah Shbaka medicine. 603 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,360 That's it. I'm not letting other things 604 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,680 distract me. But maybe probably due to versus 605 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,800 all day, I can do that. Sounds good. 606 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,800 I've Terry again, thank you so much. 607 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,800 Really appreciate. Your time. 608 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Thank you. Thank you.