1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,000 Sure. I think, I think that a 2 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,640 Parnassus is very important. You need enough for your family 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,840 to to support them. A lot of the time that I devoted 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,440 in the last little bit of time of reading was was was in 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,960 between patients. Sometimes it was, you know, if 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,120 you have an idea, I think that the way that, that I like to 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,680 present the learning for myself, it's very project based. 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,800 Like if I have an idea or something that I wanted to learn 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,920 or a subject that I wanted to learn, it was something that was 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,160 practical that I was able to accomplish. 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,960 So that, that's how I, I think I was able to, to devote the time 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,840 and to finish the project. Shalm Alaikum and welcome to 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,920 Start Tink. Start Tink is a podcast for the 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,080 challenges and opportunities of being a mentor in the workforce. 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,080 This week we are joined by Reuven Mole. 16 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Reuven is a dentist by profession but also a author who 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,520 has published many books, including a couple about Mcglos 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,840 Ross. So I thought it would be a great 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,560 opportunity to speak to him to learn about Shabbos together, 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,320 about Mcgloss Ross and also Ruin's journey. 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,480 So Ruin, welcome to Shark Tank and thank you for joining us. 22 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,480 Thank you, Ako. For for having me great. 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Thank you. So let's go back to the 24 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:01,040 beginning. Tell us a little bit about where 25 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,920 you're from, where you grew up, and what I would like for you as 26 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,000 a kid. Sure, sure, sure. 27 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,920 So I grew up in Manhattan Beach, which is in Brooklyn. 28 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:08,360 It's all the way at the end of Brooklyn. 29 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,200 So very, very modern orthodox community growing up is very 30 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,040 small intimate community. So we knew pretty much everybody 31 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,080 that went to Manhattan Beach Jewish Center. 32 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,720 We had a small teen minion. So we knew everybody, all the 33 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,600 all the teenagers over there. That's where I learned to, you 34 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,280 know, how to lane and had a Dovan And it was it was a very 35 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,360 nice upbringing, you know, being being brought up over there. 36 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,640 My parents, I've thank God, my my father, Rabbi Oscar Mole, He 37 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,280 was a professor of philosophy. So we and my mother, Shelley, 38 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,880 and she was she was an elementary school teacher. 39 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Thank God. We're so close and I'm so 40 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,880 growing up, we always talked about education, talked about 41 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,720 philosophy, talked about Torah. So the house was definitely a 42 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,160 serious place, but great, great the place to grow up And, and, 43 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,440 but at the same time, we, we, we definitely talked about a lot 44 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,560 of, a lot of different subjects. I have an older sister, Rachel, 45 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,320 that's four or five years older than me. 46 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,640 So you know, that's, that's, that's the household that I grew 47 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,080 up in. My father is a Holocaust 48 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,800 survivor. So, so he came here when he's 49 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,960 11. So those stories were always 50 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,320 told to us growing up the show. I was also something that 51 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:19,720 unconsciously was always in the back of my mind. 52 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,200 And also in the Manhattan Beach, there were a lot of older, older 53 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,840 men, women that were Holocaust survivors also in Manhattan be 54 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,640 through centers. We got got to know them. 55 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:34,440 So growing up the show, I was always something in the back of 56 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,600 my mind in the households, always Torah and academia was 57 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,000 always something that was discussed in the house. 58 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,760 Yeah. Amazed I could jump in with a 59 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,320 question here. What was it like growing up as 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,520 the son of a philosophy professor? 61 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Was, you know, going back with your young child, was he trying 62 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,280 to train you in a philosophical way of thinking that was down at 63 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:58,960 your level? Or did he understand that 64 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,120 philosophy is anything more advanced for older people and 65 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,040 you could give you a more quote UN quote normal education as a 66 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,480 as a younger kid? So I always heard, I always 67 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,240 heard different names. Growing up, my father taught all 68 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,720 types of philosophy, you know, from from and also religion. 69 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,760 I mean, you also has Smith last you know, Torah and the merge We 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,960 Torah Mada was always was always there. 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,360 We discussed a lot of different philosophers on the books a lot, 72 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,640 a lot of different books in the house. 73 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,320 But no, I mean, growing up, I definitely heard the names. 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,320 I mean, I didn't start reading, reading these philosophy, 75 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,400 philosophy books. I definitely not read all of 76 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,680 them, but I've read some philosophy in relation to a 77 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,080 Rabbi Solavecic and Rabbi Berkovitz, which we'll get to 78 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,520 later. But no, I guess on my level on 79 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,480 Shabbos, we always used to discuss the parsha and always 80 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,080 related to different philosophy and philosophers as well is 81 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,360 always on my, on the, you know, on the age level that I, that I 82 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,160 was at, yeah. But it was always, always there, 83 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,160 talking about philosophy and religion. 84 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,960 And did he also hold a rabbinic post in addition to 85 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,320 professorship or he was just has Mika and right? 86 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,280 So no, he did not. He was a professor of philosophy 87 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,400 in the City University and then he did not hold a rabbinic 88 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,440 position. He went on after he went to 89 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,399 turbidas when he came here as a child after the after the war, 90 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:21,760 and then he went on from there after Turbidas. 91 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,320 He studied in a fuser Turbidas and then with the Bubba Verbi. 92 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,960 And then he received Samika from from Durkin from I am Berlin. 93 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,640 Well, that's very interesting. I guess though, you know, you 94 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,800 mentioned sort of philosophy and then connection to the Bubble 95 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,720 Rebbe and also to our Das different backgrounds. 96 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,640 It doesn't you like also took with you to be able to sort of 97 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:46,400 be exposed and to meld different Torah positions and how did that 98 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,200 sort of express itself? I try to. 99 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,760 I try to. I mean, later on when I went to 100 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,480 Yeshiva University and while you and, and later on, even in my 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,640 studies when I really got serious in the last 10 years 102 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,640 compiling these books that we'll talk about, you can't really 103 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,240 read, read Rabbi Solovechek and Rabbi Berkovitz without, you 104 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,240 know, going a page without them quoting a philosopher. 105 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,880 And so it's that it definitely helped. 106 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,120 I can't say I'm an expert, but it definitely helped to to 107 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,560 ground it. You know, when they talk about 108 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Martin Buber, they talk about Descartes or they talk about 109 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,200 different philosophers. 1 needs to know who they're, who 110 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,000 they're, you know, referring to referencing. 111 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,640 I mean, today it's always easy to, you know, to at least 112 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,480 reference it. You could Google it today and 113 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:27,840 you can look it up, which is great. 114 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,960 But I did have a little bit of background growing up that that 115 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,200 definitely helped me in that. Yeah. 116 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,320 OK, so let's talk a little bit about the bridge years between 117 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,360 your childhood and your adulthood, your time in Yeshiva 118 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,360 and University Tulsa for what those what those, what those 119 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,520 years were like for you. Where do you go? 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,440 I went. To Yeshiva Manhattan Beach for 121 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,080 elementary school. My parents were one one of the 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,440 founding family families of that the yeshiva. 123 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,880 We had very, very few in the beginning, a few students 124 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,080 compared to other yeshivas in the area, but it was a, it was a 125 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,280 good school and good teachers. And Manhattan Beach is situated 126 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:02,880 right next to Brighton Beach. So at that time, it was in the 127 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,400 80s and a lot of Russian immigrants were moving into the 128 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,000 area. So Manhattan Beach, usually 129 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Manhattan Beach were one of the few schools that accepted these 130 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,240 students. So they were my friends in, in 131 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,280 the classroom. So actually when I was in 7th or 132 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:20,480 8th grade, I wrote an essay for the 200th anniversary of the 133 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,520 Constitution and it won an award. 134 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,520 So I went to meet the president of Ronald Reagan in the, in the 135 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,840 White House. The the essay was about how my 136 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:32,600 Russian friends were not able to experience or celebrate their 137 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,960 holidays in in Russia and they told me about it and that that 138 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,600 left left an influence on me so that that was my experience in 139 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,760 issue of Manhattan Beach. Good teachers, intimate setting. 140 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,360 How old? Are you when you're intend to 141 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,200 meet the President? I. 142 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:49,160 Was in 7th grade, so I was 12. Yeah, I remember the rabbi of 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,200 the rabbi, Rabbi Singer, who was the rabbi of the Man Beach 144 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,200 Tourist Center. I think that he said like the 145 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,880 only bar mitzvah boy that has met the the president of the 146 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,640 United States something. But yeah, yeah, it was it was AI 147 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,640 went with my father and we went to Washington. 148 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,280 We met the President Reagan and it was nice, but the but but the 149 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:12,920 idea is that not many schools, you know, had this influx of 150 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,000 peers of Russians that came in. So I think that definitely, you 151 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,680 know, I still I still remember that I'm from there. 152 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,080 I went to Yeshiva Flatbush. I owe I owe whatever fluency I 153 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,560 have in Hebrew and you've reached to my years in Yeshiva 154 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,640 Flatbush and my I guess my ideology might see, you might, 155 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,800 might see units might see, you know, being tsuni came from from 156 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,120 those years as well. Everything about the school was 157 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,480 really a teaching about Israel and and about the I know effects 158 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,640 of math. I know it's already a young 159 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,600 Rushalayan over there. So like one of the things I 160 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,640 remember. People who are watching on 161 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,480 YouTube will see my white shirt I'm. 162 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,600 Also have white so and I'm here in Teaneck, NJ at this point. 163 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,240 So I want to like I remember that the you know, talking about 164 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,920 the young Rushalayan and Yamat smut, but they were always had 165 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,560 assemblies on this night specifically, I remember Yamat 166 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,080 smut. They followed Rob Goren, Rav 167 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,800 Goran suck. I still have the the the sitter 168 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,760 that, you know, to say hollow with the broth at night time, 169 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,800 because there was Rav Hadrad Melek and and they felt that 170 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,120 more people would be there at night. 171 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,480 They, you know, they had all assembly and they said hollow at 172 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,600 night with the brotha. It's just I remember, you know, 173 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,680 I remember that they still do that. 174 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,760 So that's something that that that stands out for me from the 175 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,000 years. And you should have you should 176 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,320 have Flatbush many good friends, very big, much more, you know, 177 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,000 big, bigger setting then I went to. 178 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,440 You should have a hotel. That's where I met your amazing 179 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,159 father-in-law, Symbi symbolist and under Robina. 180 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,520 I was in 1990, two 1993 old city. 181 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,240 Now now it's Niti Varia, but back then it was Yeshivaraku 182 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,160 hotel where Yeshivaaku hotel is. And from there I went to why you 183 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,880 I I like variety. So I was in three different 184 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,240 shiram. I was in the actually I was in 185 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,560 the, I was in the pre Med track, which is the pre dentistry 186 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:55,600 track. So I took a lot of all the 187 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,360 medical medical medicine classes that I needed to get into dental 188 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,800 school. I already, you know, at that 189 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,600 time knew I was going to dental school. 190 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:05,960 But at the same time, because I was in the yeshiva program from, 191 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,480 you know, in the morning 3:00, we had Gemara. 192 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,440 So I was in three different shiram. 193 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,200 I like variety. So the first year I was in Rabbi 194 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Willig, the senior Rabbi Willick, and then then I was in 195 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:19,520 Rev Goldfield for the second year and I was in Bronch Biegel 196 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,160 the the third year from then I was in Smeka. 197 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,200 My last year of Why You, even though I knew I wasn't going to 198 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,320 finish at Why you because I was already enrolled in going to 199 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,880 dental school. But later on I did. 200 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,920 I did. I did finish it with Rosamundo 201 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,440 Khania Goldberg. So I finished the Smeka with 202 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,960 with them. I did it because I knew I wanted 203 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,800 to to do something, so I continued on with them. 204 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,920 So all all of those places definitely had an influence 205 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,160 being the upbringing and the different, different issue with 206 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,200 that I went to. So you didn't mention that by 207 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,600 the time you got to university, you basically had your sights 208 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,880 set clearly on the world of dentistry. 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,960 So tell us a little more about how that came to be. 210 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,600 Why was that something was so clear to you that it was You're 211 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,600 where you're headed. Yeah. 212 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,600 I. For some reason I always knew, 213 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,440 even even even in high school, I knew I was going to be, I was 214 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,880 going to try to be a dentist. My orthodontist, I think 215 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,080 influenced me. I think just seeing the balance 216 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,120 many. People don't have such great. 217 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,440 I mean, I had a great relation with my orthodontist, Dr. Edel. 218 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,920 He was a former guest on the show. 219 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,440 He was amazing. Yeah, I don't know. 220 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,800 So I think talking to him and just seeing the lifestyle of the 221 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,800 work life balance that that a dentist could have. 222 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,200 Yeah. And being in a health related 223 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,680 field, I was thinking of architecture and dentistry 224 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,040 definitely has some aspect of architecture if you're doing 225 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,480 cosmetic cases. And so I think that it's 226 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,720 definitely fit my lifestyle. I like dealing with people. 227 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,000 And so when people have come into the office, I like talking 228 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,800 to them and getting to know them. 229 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,520 So there's a balance between also health related. 230 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:47,400 But that's the same time there is a you, you, you gain, you 231 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,400 build trust and you build a relationship with the patients. 232 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 So yeah, I always, I always knew that for some reason that I 233 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,040 wanted to be a dentist. And sort of the hopes and 234 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,480 expectations that you had for dentistry being a field that 235 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,840 will give you a sense of work life balance. 236 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,600 To what extent was that true? Is saying it's true only if you 237 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,200 have a certain level of self-discipline, or if it's 238 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,640 more, If it's if it's a lot easier? 239 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,040 I definitely think that the discipline you need for, for 240 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,640 every aspect of your life, but I definitely think that for me, 241 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,160 it's been a blessing. I think that I've been able to 242 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,280 accomplish some, some success within my dental office. 243 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:24,120 And I have my own dental office now 21 years in Manhattan. 244 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,240 It's a, it's a, it's a thriving office in the city. 245 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,080 And, and, and at the same time, for the last, I would say 10 246 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,840 years, I've devoted, at the same time I've devoted to, to my 247 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,680 Torah subjects and my, and my studies. 248 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,440 Obviously I was learning before that, but for the last 10 years, 249 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,320 I would say I've devoted a lot more time to other aspects of 250 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,160 writing at the beginning years of my practice. 251 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,120 Obviously, I haven't mentioned before, but I'm married. 252 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,680 I have three children. So at this point, I have a 253 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,200 daughter, Dalia and a son, Nate. Both of them make Nate aliata to 254 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Israel. They're living in Israel. 255 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,920 And I have another son, Sammy, and he's next year, he's 256 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,800 finishing high school now and he's going to be going to study 257 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,680 in yeshiva next year in Israel and God willing, also stay. 258 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:04,520 So all three children will be in Israel. 259 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,240 So all those years, the beginning of my practice, you 260 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,640 know, you don't have as much time, you put in as much time as 261 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,200 you can and into your studies and learning. 262 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,800 But as time has gone on and they become more independent, I've 263 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,480 I've had more time to, to devote to other, you know, other 264 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,320 subjects as well besides dentistry. 265 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,880 So, you know, someone who's listening to this would, you 266 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,600 know, be very tempted to immediately sign up for such a 267 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,960 track, which can sort of almost guarantee a built in mechanism 268 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,920 that will really be conducive to learning and working. 269 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,960 And we've actually discussed on the podcast a few times before a 270 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,760 past guest, Mark Lesnick, wanted to follow a similar path based 271 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,920 on similar logic. And you went to Ron Luchenstein. 272 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,280 And Ron Luchenstein actually chuckled at him, which he didn't 273 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,120 really do often in many situations. 274 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,720 But he said no, no, Like if you're not going to actually 275 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,760 connect to the work and enjoy the work, then it's not correct 276 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,920 to just jump into a profession only because of that sort of 277 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,560 being able to be successful and also learning aspect. 278 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,520 So what are some of the questions that you would 279 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,080 recommend a a prospective dentist ask themselves to make 280 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,200 sure that really is the right fit? 281 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,080 Because you know, even if they have time to learn, if they're 282 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,520 miserable during the work hours, if it's not my theme for them, 283 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,960 it's not going to be successful. Only percent, I think I think 284 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,960 one has to know what they're getting into before they you 285 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,520 need to choose a profession. I think they should definitely 286 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,920 apprentice, go into dental offices beforehand, see if they 287 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,320 actually like the field itself before they become before a 288 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,160 dentist. They have to know that they like 289 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,000 working with their hands and, and that they could work in 290 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,400 somebody's mouth. That's, that's something they 291 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,240 need to know. But also there's it's, it's, 292 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,760 it's a hard, it's hard job. You're it's laborious. 293 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,760 At the same time, you're, you're looking in somebody's mouth for, 294 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,240 you know, could be 8 hours a day and doing different feelings. 295 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,640 And it's, it's not for everybody, but at the same time, 296 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,800 it's very rewarding. You know, you're helping a lot 297 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,560 of people. Obviously, if they're in pain, 298 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,880 then you get them out of pain. And also, and also aesthetically 299 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,080 or cosmetically, some people don't feel good about the way 300 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,840 that they are their teeth look. So if you're, if you're helping 301 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,760 them, you know, with their, with their smile, which is a very 302 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,440 important then, but the life balance also, besides the 303 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,360 dentistry, because that's their profession that they're going 304 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,480 into. They have to know how many hours 305 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,720 they have to, they want to put into their, into their 306 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,800 profession. So if you become an ER doctor, 307 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,440 then you have to know, you know, the amount of time that you're 308 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,160 going to be devoted to that and, and whether, and whether how 309 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,400 many hours you want to devote to, to Torah, how many hours you 310 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,960 want to devote to your family. And there's a balance and 311 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,240 everybody has to decide on their own what but what the right 312 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,600 amount is for them. So I think that for me, this has 313 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,040 been the right choice. As time has gone on, I've had 314 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,520 more time to devote towards other aspects besides dentistry. 315 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,800 So the last 10 years I've devoted much more to writing and 316 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,800 which we'll. Yeah, so we'll get there in just 317 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:48,880 a moment. I guess I think maybe this might 318 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,200 be the last question about your dentistry. 319 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,160 But you know, when we talk about work life balance, so one of the 320 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,640 topics which maybe isn't discussed enough, right? 321 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,240 But people are talking now about AI and automation and all the 322 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:59,400 different changes in the workforce. 323 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,200 But I want to specifically ask you, because even if someone 324 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,080 could tomorrow find me an AI tool that will allow me 325 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,600 personally to work the same, get the same income and work half 326 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,720 the time and have another half, you know, half the time to 327 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,520 learn. There's still a big elephant in 328 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,600 the room that's not always discussed without T, which is 329 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,520 the fact that, you know, if I had that extra time, I might 330 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,360 just want more money. A meaning there. 331 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,320 There's a part of this conversation which needs to say, 332 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,320 yes, I'm working, yes, I, I'm gaining X&X is going to be 333 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,000 enough because you're, you know, Cap, I'm sure if you would have 334 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,960 spent more hours and working in less hours doing your writing, 335 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,040 you could have probably made more. 336 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,760 So part of this touch button for you and anyone who's you, not, 337 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,360 you know, who's spending on time and other things is to say, I'm 338 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,960 not going to hustle the hardest. I'm not going to make as much 339 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,840 money as humanly possible. I'm going to decide that I have 340 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,520 enough for me and cause Brock was giving me enough. 341 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,160 So can you maybe talk about that? 342 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,760 Is that something that you ever sort of struggle with? 343 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,920 Maybe you should padding your savings a little more. 344 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,000 Sure. I think I think that a Parnassus 345 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,200 is very important. You need enough for your family 346 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,400 to to support them. A lot of the time that I devoted 347 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,360 in the last little bit of time a reading was was was in between 348 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,520 patients. Sometimes it was, you know, if 349 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,640 you have an idea, I think that the way that, that I like to 350 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,160 present the learning for myself, it's very project based. 351 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,320 Like if I have an idea or something that I wanted to learn 352 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,480 or a subject that I wanted to learn, it was something that was 353 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,720 practical that I was able to accomplish. 354 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,480 So that that's how I, I think I was able to to devote the time 355 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,520 and to finish the project. So if I had something in mind 356 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,880 that I wanted to accomplish, you have to make it a priority. 357 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,800 So yes, if you're if you're seeing patients for 7 to 8 358 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,080 hours, that should be your priority. 359 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Your professions should definitely be be a priority. 360 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,840 That's your parnassum, That's what you devote your your life 361 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,440 to. But at the same time, there's a 362 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,280 balance. Yes, if you if you put in the 8 363 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:51,000 hours for the, you know, a day to, let's say to dentistry and 364 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,360 you have, it's not going to be the same amount of time. 365 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,960 You're not going to put in eight hours to to your other goals. 366 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,880 But even if you do a little bit a day, if you do 1/2 an hour an 367 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:04,599 hour a day, I'm not saying take away from from that 8 hours and 368 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,240 necessarily limit your parnasa because of it. 369 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,680 But there's you can always find time if you're, if you're 370 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,480 devoted and you want to finish a certain project. 371 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,640 That's that's how I I see it. And some days are better than 372 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,599 others that you're able to accomplish more and some days 373 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,800 less, depends on the mood, depends on where you are. 374 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:29,360 But I think that the way I saw it was OK. 375 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:32,640 I saw I saw something that I wanted to accomplish. 376 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,320 OK, so if I I read a little bit about it today, 20 minutes, 377 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,440 thirty minutes OK the next day I do a little bit more and sooner 378 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,080 or later you really you finish it. 379 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,640 That's amazing to see the accomplishment when you're done. 380 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,240 But the in the middle of it, yeah, you don't see the progress 381 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,320 as much because it's a little, little, little, but you get 382 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,120 there. So your. 383 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:53,720 Projects, and I love the way you frame that your products are are 384 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,000 specifically writing projects. So we can go back and tell us a 385 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,200 little bit more about the origins of your writing, yours a 386 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,720 little bit going back to your presidential recognition for 387 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,000 your writing skills. Tell us a little bit about 388 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,360 writing in general to writing specifically, because that's a 389 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,160 unique type of project, more than just, you know, learning 390 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,200 must have to make ACMI. It's it's a different, it's a 391 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,040 different zone, right? So different, it's a different 392 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,560 way of it's not Dafiomi, it's not learning, you know, Dafa 393 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,640 day, learning a subject and then and then learning another 394 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,800 subject and, and then sometimes they merge. 395 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,960 But the subjects that that over the last 10 years, I've really 396 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,160 have delved into certain writers, Rabbi Salavechik and 397 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:40,560 and Rabbi Berkovitz. So I would say that that I was, 398 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,480 I became connected to them and these writers more. 399 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,800 I've I've heard of Rabbi Salavechik growing up a lot, not 400 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,600 as much Rabbi Berkovitz growing up as much within all the 401 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,240 settings that I that I have been, but I definitely heard of 402 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,440 him, but just not as much as Rabbi Salavechik as I again, my 403 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,200 father was a philosophy professor. 404 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,400 So I heard of Rabbi Berkovitz in the house, but until later on, I 405 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,440 didn't really come to to appreciate him as much for the 406 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,200 roof. I mean, everywhere, you know, 407 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,160 you're in the New York metropolitan area. 408 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,760 All, most of the rabbi's had some stuff from Rabbi 409 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Salavechik, my rabbi, Rabbi Singer in Manhattan Beach. 410 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,400 His he was the son-in-law of Rabbi Higham Heller. 411 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,080 So his, his father-in-law, Rabbi Heller was the roofs Rabbi 412 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,360 Solid, a chick with a rough teacher. 413 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,160 So he always discussed the roof, you know, and, and all the rebam 414 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,560 that I had in Yu. Most of them, they all, they 415 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,560 have samita from, from the what from, from from the Rav. 416 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,200 I have a close cousin, Doctor Wellowelski, Joel Wellowelski. 417 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:43,160 He always discussed Rabbi Salavechik and he's one of the 418 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,680 main editors of Mozart Rav books that came out. 419 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,000 So Rabbi Salavechik was definitely a name that I've 420 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,560 always heard of and and Rabbi Berkovitz later I became more 421 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,520 impressed and appreciated and more So what happened about 10, 422 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,560 10 years ago was I started reading Faith after the 423 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,280 Holocaust, which is a book, one of the famous books by Rabbi 424 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,320 Rabbi Berkovitz. And just just to talk just a 425 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,440 second about both of them, they really had parallel lives in a 426 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840 way. They both were born in within a 427 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,880 few years of each other. Rabbi Berkovitz was born in 19 O 428 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,920 8 and Rabbi Salvatrik was born in 19 O3 both. 429 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,800 They both went to went to University of Berlin and have 430 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,240 and have pH DS from the University of Berlin around the 431 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,040 same time in the 1920s. Rabbi Berkovitz was a communal 432 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,640 rabbi in in in Berlin right before the war and he left right 433 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,800 after Kristallnacht. And then later, even later on, 434 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,520 he came to Boston and lived in the same town as the Rav in 435 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,600 1950s. And then he became the head of 436 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,320 the philosophy department in the Hebrew Theological College in 437 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,400 Chicago. And then in 1976, he made the 438 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,640 Rabbi Berkovitz made aliyah. So he lived the remaining of his 439 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,360 life from 1976 until 1992, he passed away. 440 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:06,960 And in that span he span, he wrote 19 books and many, many 441 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,480 journal articles. And one of those books was Faith 442 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,680 after the Holocaust and the rough passed away in 1993. 443 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,320 So they, they really, they, they, they, when you look at 444 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,680 correspondence, there's not really so much correspondence 445 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,840 between them because they, they do differ a little bit hush 446 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,680 graphically within the, within the yeshiva world, within the 447 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,920 modern Orthodox world. Rabbi Berkovitz might have been 448 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,560 a little bit more pushing the envelope a little bit, but 449 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,320 within the same framework, they're within the same world. 450 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,600 They both wrote articles for tradition RCA Journal. 451 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,920 So, so about 10-15 years ago, I started reading Faith after the 452 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,400 Holocaust and it was just a, you know, I loved it. 453 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,280 It talked about about the show and it talked about Divine 454 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,440 Contraction Simpson and it talked about the Odyssey and and 455 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,960 Aloha. And from there I just started 456 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,720 reading all of his books. I got received all of his books 457 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,640 and I started making stickies in the books and I'm putting 458 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,680 stickies in the books and which excerpts I loved. 459 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,120 And then I started thinking about this and I started 460 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,880 thinking there are not enough people who really who know about 461 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,240 him, about Rabbi Berkovitz. So I tried to think about ways 462 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,200 to make him more accessible to different people. 463 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,320 And I came up with an idea of making a commentary to the 464 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:24,600 Haggadah based off his books. So I took excerpts from a lot of 465 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,680 the books. Two or three of them are in 466 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,520 Hebrew, so I didn't use those or for the excerpts, but I took 467 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,120 excerpts and I attached them as commentary to the Haggadah. 468 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,960 I didn't write. I didn't write a super 469 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,600 commentary of why I why I put that specific excerpt to the 470 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,000 text of the Haggadah. But then when people read it, 471 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,440 there's basically an anthology of Rabbi Berkovitz's works. 472 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,600 So when I say writing, I didn't necessarily write, but I spent a 473 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:54,160 lot of time devoting and reading and attaching what I thought 474 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,680 would be good commentaries to certain words to express what 475 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,280 Rabbi Berkowitz would if he had a certain word or a certain 476 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,320 theme. I couldn't. 477 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,240 I connected it after the Haggadah. 478 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,280 I felt that there were more excerpts that could be shared. 479 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,960 So after that, that hug the Haggada is called faith and 480 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,200 freedom. So you could see it. 481 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,080 This is the I got a faith and freedom. 482 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,640 After that, I thought there were more excerpts, so I made one on 483 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,400 McGill add Ester. So that's what's called faith 484 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,360 fulfilled. And then one more after that for 485 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,520 Riley Berkowitz. I did faith and fortitude for 486 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,080 for McGill add roots. Oh, that was the course of the 487 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,520 last. I think the first one came out 488 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,760 in 2019 and then the last one came out the two years ago and I 489 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,080 became very close with our by Berkovitz's children. 490 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,400 That was one of the the outcomes of that. 491 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,440 So that's amazing. One is Rabbi Dov Berkovitz, who 492 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,880 lives in in Israel and he had a, he's a son, Rabbi Broom 493 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,320 Berkovitz, who was a professor in technion in Faifa, and 494 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160 another son who who lives in Boston. 495 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,560 So it took a lot of time and devotion to come up with the 496 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,360 with what was the best commentary I felt to attach it 497 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,000 to the text. So either the Haggadah McGill 498 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,120 add Esther or McGill add roots. Yeah, I think that's, and then I 499 00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:13,320 and then, and then after I finished with these three books 500 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,640 with Rabbi Berkovitz, these were published with by Urim by 501 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,120 Akhtaba Urim. Then after I finished the, the 502 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,880 books were Berkovitz, I was approached to because of the 503 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,600 same style of, of writing, of compiling and editing the Rove. 504 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,640 When the Mozart Rav series came out, they didn't they didn't 505 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,240 have they didn't have a commentary on the book of roots. 506 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,080 And since I I just formulated and edited one with our by 507 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,240 Berkovitz on the book of roots. I was familiar with the book of 508 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,960 roots. Then I was approached to to do a 509 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,920 commentary for Mcgillat roots with the commentary of of the 510 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,440 Rove. And so then I went back and I 511 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000 started reading all the books. So that was when you say 512 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,800 project, it's a big project because it means remembering 513 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,800 putting stickies. There are only two or three 514 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,160 references maybe in all the Rob's writings in English where 515 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,640 he quotes McGill at roots at all. 516 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,800 So it means building a commentary based off themes and 517 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,920 words. And so it's a, it's a lot of 518 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,000 works while I was working in as a dentist at the same time, I 519 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,800 was reading the rough material and learning the rough even 520 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520 again, even though I know about the rough and I learnt about the 521 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,080 rough. And maybe I, you know, when NYU 522 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,600 we had to read Hellotic Man a little bit or The Lonely Man of 523 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Faith, Adam 1, Adam 2. But it really wasn't the same as 524 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,120 devoting it to know that you have to teach it or to make a 525 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,320 commentary from the book of Ruth. 526 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,880 So last year this book came out. This is the book of Ruth based 527 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,960 on the commentary of Rabbi Salavejek. 528 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,320 And then one more book is coming out the hopefully by the end of 529 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,680 the year. I did a commentary on the book 530 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,040 of to Helen. So while I was while I was 531 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,440 writing or commenting during the commentary on the book of Ruth, 532 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,880 I was so amazed by how often the rough quoted to hill him and 533 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,520 they don't have a book yet out with the with the roughs 534 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,520 commentary and to hill him. So that's a little different 535 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,640 than the rest of the other four that I have, because the other 536 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,640 four really, I think took a little bit more thinking, 537 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,480 ingenuity. And, and some people may even 538 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,120 say that some of the, some of the excerpts may be a little far 539 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,480 fetched or they don't attach as as much because again, it's my 540 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,680 thinking of which excerpts should attach to which words and 541 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,200 to make a commentary. But with the book of to Hillem, 542 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:24,320 it's completely wherever the Ruff quoted to Hillem from, from 543 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,960 his writings. I, I, I put it in order by Parek 544 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,080 and and Pasuk and I made it in appendix at the end because I 545 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,280 only picked 1, one excerpt for each pusuk that there is. 546 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,600 It is definitely not every pusuk in the into Helen, but some had 547 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,320 six or seven that I found. And so we only picked the one. 548 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,400 I only picked the one, but there are seven others. 549 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720 So if you do want to look up the seven others, I made an appendix 550 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,680 in the in the back of the book so you can look up which, which 551 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,760 book it comes from. So over the last couple years, 552 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,240 the five books, you know what you know, so I feel it's a 553 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,080 blessing that, you know, that that I had some contribution in, 554 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,240 in bringing Rabbi Berkovitz's writings more to the masses and 555 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,440 that my name is somehow associated with these Gadolin. 556 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,040 Yeah, it's I, I feel, you know, blessed, you know, in, in that 557 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,720 so. I guess one thing that I was 558 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,800 thinking about as you were describing this journey in this 559 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,760 process is, you know, was it at all scary for you that you might 560 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,080 miss something mean these both of these rabbis have written so 561 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,000 much, such a vast array. And so you know, your job. 562 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,200 And so obviously you seem to have devoted a lot of time to 563 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,560 reading as much as you could and to understanding and, and 564 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,320 building those connections, which I'm sure takes a lot more 565 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,040 work than it might seem at first glance. 566 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,640 But you know, like, were you confident that you'd really 567 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,400 covered all the material and we're really holding all of it, 568 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,400 or you just do the best you can? Or did you consult with other 569 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,640 experts who who might verify or add and and and and and put you 570 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,200 in the right direction? Right. 571 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,120 So with the Rabbi Berkovitz writings, I think we used the 572 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,320 word confident. I think, I think I was pretty 573 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,120 confident that I didn't, I didn't make a claim that I was 574 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,000 using all of the excerpts because I was just was just 575 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,680 again, this is this is, this is a commentary that I'm building. 576 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,680 So there's so much more writing that I did not use to build the 577 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,960 commentary. And one can the, the, the, the 578 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,520 point, the point of them, I think, is so that somebody who 579 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,560 reads the Haggadah and is not as familiar with Arbeit, Berkowitz 580 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,560 would then go out and buy his books and, and read the read the 581 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,160 full book. Because, you know, maybe with 582 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,880 faith after the Holocaust, you know, there are about 100 583 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,640 excerpts maybe in each book. So there's so much more. 584 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,160 It wasn't a claim to use all of it. 585 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,840 It was a claim to, I think to which I think I'm confident in, 586 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:42,680 in that the goal was to build a commentary so that people would 587 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,880 be able to read it and get to know Rabbi Berkovitz, get to 588 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200 know his vast philosophy and what he stood for throughout. 589 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,440 Because you know, you go from one subject to the next in the 590 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,200 in the writing 1 you could can read about in Kiddish in the 591 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280 beginning of the Haggadah. There, there, there are 6 or 7 592 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,040 excerpts and you can learn about what Rabbi Berkovitz says about 593 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840 what Kadosh means and then you can read about the Shatianu, 594 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,200 what he says about time. So it's varied subjects. 595 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,520 So I think that goal, I think hopefully was met with Rabbi 596 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280 Solovitchik. I think that definitely more 597 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,320 people looked over it. There are a lot more hands that 598 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,160 got involved when it was the OU Press and, and, and who 599 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,720 published these books and and scholars that that have reviewed 600 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,760 it. So, and there was editing 601 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,800 involved with, with with that. But again, there's such a vast 602 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,280 au revoir that that they wrote that I took a very small amount 603 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,400 to to make the commentary. It was enough to make the 604 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,120 commentary. And so that somebody would be 605 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,000 able to appreciate and know the book of the book of Ruth a 606 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,720 little bit more based off the Roughs philosophy. 607 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320 I do want to learn some Ruth, some you got Ruth or Ruth. 608 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,480 If you want to talk about it together with you in a moment, 609 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,440 it's one more question that I'd love to ask. 610 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,920 And a brief 1. I think you mentioned that some 611 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,920 Roslovic had took of it. He quoted his writings, you 612 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,960 know, upwards of five times off top of your head. 613 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,480 You remember what's the most took him are I'm just 614 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,400 fascinated. Sure. 615 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320 Sure, sure. So mima makim karatifa Hashem, 616 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,000 you know mates are karate, right? 617 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800 So those out of the depths, that's something that the rub 618 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,200 talked about a lot. 1 of the ones I remember he talked about 619 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,680 called Adam Kosev was actually one that he amazing that he that 620 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,560 you only believe in God. So those were two that stand out 621 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520 right now. So, yeah, so let's go back to 622 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,880 Rust now. She was coming up. 623 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,400 Maybe before we jump into it, for our listeners, who, you 624 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,840 know, is a little bit rusty in her mind, a quick reminder of 625 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,160 some of the basics of the story. And then maybe you could share 626 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640 some ideas that are relevant to this topic of working in 627 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,280 business and Torah and life and kedusha are based on the 628 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,640 research and the learning that you've been doing. 629 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,680 So the book of Root is devoted to Root who is from the nation 630 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,480 of Moav. She was widowed along with her 631 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,960 sister-in-law and her mother-in-law Naomi. 632 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Naomi was married to Ellie Mella and Ellie Mella died and then 633 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,040 and then their two sons died. So Naomi was left with her two 634 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,040 daughter in laws. Naomi decided to stay with Naomi 635 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,120 and the other, the other sister-in-law decided to return 636 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,320 to her nation and that's where the the famous statement comes 637 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,400 that she converts me, the Lokaya Fellowkai, I'm going to devote 638 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,480 myself, your God is my God, my nation, your nation is my 639 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,320 nation. So she devotes herself and stays 640 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360 with with Naomi and they go back to Beit Lehem. 641 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,680 In Beit Lehem, Ruth is supported by Boaz, is a family member, 642 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,360 happens to be a family member and actually is the goal of the 643 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,600 Redeemer for her. And then later on Boaz, Boaz 644 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,120 really treats her really well and generously and eventually 645 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,640 redeems the family line and Ruth at the end that the last couple 646 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,720 of sentences, it talks about the genealogy that Ruth and Boaz 647 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,840 have a child named Ovad and then eventually the grandparents of 648 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,200 King gave it. So that's in short, that's the 649 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,960 you know that that's the story. I can highlight one plus that I 650 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,600 think would highlight or broadcast that and how I bring a 651 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,560 commentary of payers from both Rabbi Berkovitz and from from 652 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,600 and from Rabbi Soloveitchik. So the one pusick that that I 653 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,720 have is put parekh a bet pasak Ted Zion the gam shol tasholu la 654 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,360 minhat's fatim bazaftam de lecta the lotiga Aruba. 655 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,040 In English it means but you must also pull some stalks out of the 656 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320 heaps and leave them for her to glean. 657 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,360 So this is talking about already when, when Root is in the field 658 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,440 of Boaz and Boaz is telling his workers to go out of your way 659 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,960 and to do something extra. Because we know the mitzvah of 660 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,320 lecat is whatever's left, the poor or the impoverished are 661 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,200 allowed to take from the from the field. 662 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,880 But here what I saw was there was an extra, was an extra 663 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,160 determination of Boaz to tell his workers not just what was 664 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,640 left, but you need to go out and specifically take, take more and 665 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:09,640 leave it and leave it for her. So what I did was and I, I found 666 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,280 excerpts from both Rabbi in the first book from Rabbi Berkovitz, 667 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,440 I saw this as more of liefni misurata din than just din, 668 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,920 which means that din is the law, which means that it would have 669 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,360 been enough if she just went out and found what what was there. 670 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,400 But he actually went back to the workers and told them to do 671 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,760 more. So I found I found a source from 672 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,080 a book, Crisis and Faith from Rabbi Berkovitz, that basically 673 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,920 it starts off by saying once again, there was no written code 674 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,240 to consult. So this is the story from the 675 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,680 Gemara from Baba Mitziya 83 a where there's a story where 676 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,200 Rabbi Berkovitz is talking about examples of Lithni misurata. 677 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,280 At the end, the way that I see it, that he says they're really 678 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,440 there's halacha, but there's also above halacha. 679 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,960 So the example that he brings is a case of Rabba Barakhana who 680 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,880 had hired some workers to carry some barrels of wine and somehow 681 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,800 the workers broke the barrels and the wine was lost. 682 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,280 Whereupon ABBA took away their clothes as a guarantee for in 683 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,040 lieu of damages to which he brought and he was entitled, 684 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,280 they brought the case for education before Rav, right. 685 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,199 So you have Rava Barasana who hired workers and the workers 686 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,760 dropped these barrels and he took away, he took their pay, he 687 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,719 took away their clothes. So now the case is brought 688 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,239 before Rav who ruled that the clothes had to be returned to 689 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,159 the workers. Now this is the this is the 690 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,760 interesting question. And Raba says Raba Rakhana who 691 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,520 took it away, says, is this the law? 692 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,320 And the answer was yes. And then the Pasak was given. 693 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,120 That's what Rav says. Yes, it's the law. 694 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,960 But we know it's not really the law, but it's listening if sure 695 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,080 at that time. So the clothes were returned and 696 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,920 then the workers, however, were not satisfied. 697 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,440 And they say we have worked all day and we are hungry, they 698 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,560 said, claiming that they wanted their wages back. 699 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,520 So Rav ruled, go and pay them their wages. 700 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,000 And once again Rava asked, is this the law? 701 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,040 And the answer was given yes. And A and A and a pusak is 702 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,960 given. So then Rabbi Berkovitz goes on 703 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080 and explains this, that legalistically speaking, Rob of 704 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,200 course was right. Such was not the law. 705 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,440 But the case before Rob presented one of those 706 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,200 characteristically problems. There was a law of damages, but 707 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,120 there was also the obligation to care for the disadvantage. 708 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,560 Once again, the decision decision was made on the basis 709 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,600 of a rabbi's appreciation of the more comprehensive concern for 710 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,720 the Torah. Roth's decision was not in 711 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:38,000 accordance with the specific law of damages, but with the total 712 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,360 purpose of the law of the Torah. It was halacha. 713 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,120 So I thought that this was a apropos commentary to show in 714 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,840 this day and age and in the in the gamras time, an example what 715 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,080 Boaz did. So again, I didn't, I didn't do 716 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,560 a super commentary. I didn't explain what Mike why 717 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,960 my commentary was there and this this could be this is my super 718 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,080 commentary. I saw it that Boaz was doing 719 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,600 something above what he had to. But really that if you look at 720 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,440 it, that's really the halacha. The halacha is to do what you 721 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,840 feel is right to do what's just. And that's what Rabbi Berkovitz 722 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,960 says that he's explaining that Rob is seeing the same thing. 723 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,680 You need to give back away the wages. 724 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,240 You need to give back the close because the law is the 725 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,880 obligation is to care for the disadvantage and that's and 726 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,560 that's lift name Nishirat that didn't when I was going through 727 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,520 to do the commentary for Rabbi Rabbi Salavechik on the same 728 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,720 Plasuk. I found a commentary from 729 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,240 halachic man which I used as the commentary on the same on the 730 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:39,920 same plasuk. I have a deeper I'm a still 731 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,280 Vazaftam Delectabelo Tagara. I'll leave them so that she'll 732 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,240 be able to take and I'm the quote starts halachic man takes 733 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,520 up his stand in the midst of the concrete world, his feet planted 734 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,120 firmly on the ground of reality, and he looks about and sees, 735 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,200 listens and hears and publicly protests against the oppression 736 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,760 of the helpless, the defrauding of the poor and the plight of 737 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,120 the orphan. I love this phrase also like 738 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,480 that the that the halachic man in the same way that Rabbi 739 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,480 Berkovitz answers that that he ends that that quote as it was 740 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,800 it was halacha. They both say this is halacha to 741 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,360 do not just the minimum, but you need to go out of your way and 742 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,840 the feet planted firmly. I think that that's a it's a 743 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,720 beautiful phrase that you need your your feet planted in this 744 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,640 world. It's you can't be oblivious to 745 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,840 what's to what's going on. And then later on in the in the 746 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,760 quote in the excerpt, he says neither a ritual decisions nor 747 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,960 political leadership constitute the main, main task of Allahic 748 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,360 man. Far from it. 749 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,840 The actualization of the ideals of justice and righteousness is 750 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,720 the pillar of fire which Allahic man follows when he is a rabbi 751 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,520 and teacher and Israel serves his community more through the 752 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080 implementation of principles of righteousness. 753 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,080 Man fulfills the task of creation, opposed him, imposed 754 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,840 upon him the perfection of the world under the dominion of 755 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,880 Aloha and the renewal of the face of creation. 756 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,360 What the rather saying is that when we help the impoverished 757 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,800 than the poor, we're actually perfecting the world. 758 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,400 There are a lot of places where both Rabbi Berkovitz and the Rav 759 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,080 talk about Tikkun olam latakiano lamba mop, which I die, that 760 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,240 we're Co creators with God. But it's it's interesting to 761 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:18,120 that this is that this is one of the places that we have to go 762 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,400 out of our way to to help to help the impoverished. 763 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200 So I think that was also, you know, I think an apropos 764 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,160 commentary to explain Boas and going out of his way and 765 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920 helping. It's not just just just doing 766 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,960 the the norm. You have to have justice. 767 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,920 You have to have compassion and a moral vision of what the the 768 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,320 Torah, what the Torah calls for. One example that I think that 769 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,240 from from my own dealings in the office that I remember one time 770 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,240 I was hiring a an assistant a few years ago and I went through 771 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,800 the hiring process and I interviewed him maybe on a 772 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,640 Wednesday or Thursday and I was ready to hire her. 773 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,160 And I was speaking to my father right before before Shabbos. 774 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320 And I told him, I think I found, I found somebody to hire and I'm 775 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,560 going to call her on on Monday after after the weekend. 776 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,760 And he said which she was right. Why, why wait? 777 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,760 Call, call her 10 today. You know, she, she's going to be 778 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,480 so happy going into the weekends that she's going to feel great, 779 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,040 you know, that she's going to have a job. 780 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,600 And I, I remember that and I, I didn't. 781 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,960 And I still remember her voice saying amazing, great and almost 782 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,680 like same words like I'm going, you know, I'm going into the 783 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,840 weekend knowing so go a little bit more than then. 784 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,280 Yeah, So would have been fine, I think, calling after the 785 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,760 weekend, but you're doing something a little bit beyond. 786 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,400 So I think both Rabbi Berkovitz and and Rabbi Soloveitchik, 787 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,800 these commentaries bring to life the the the task or what Boaz 788 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600 was doing in the field or what he was trying to show that you 789 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,200 need to do a little bit more. You can't just leave it that she 790 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,440 could just take from the field. But you have to go have that 791 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,680 extra kindness and compassion and have what we call mission. 792 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,480 Right, that's a really great lesson and I think it's very 793 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,440 important that we as much as halacha is so central and the 794 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,880 laws and regulations, but also to have the bigger picture that 795 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,920 there is more to it than just keeping alcohol, though that is 796 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,000 not at all to be to be denigrated in any way, shape or 797 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,360 form. But there is a somewhat you 798 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,120 know, there's a bigger picture to see and to values that have 799 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,680 to be Dr. driven with Nalah and beyond Alaka. 800 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,040 It's a great message and certainly I think touches all of 801 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,120 us were in the working world on a very daily basis. 802 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,240 It's a very great, great choice and thank you for teaching us 803 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,960 these ideas. So let's just go to a quick 804 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,800 rapid fire. 3 short questions, three hopefully short answers. 805 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,800 We're in the summer. We have nice long Shabbos 806 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,240 afternoons. What do you like to do at that 807 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:38,160 time? I like to read always a little, 808 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,320 A little sleep is good, but I like to read right now. 809 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,720 I picked up some books from from Elie Wiesel. 810 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,960 He has a book reading it again, but a book on sages, Sages and 811 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,040 dreamers on all the Tanayan. But like little you know, I 812 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,880 wouldn't say it's light reading, but at the same time, if you 813 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160 look up the history of the Tanium and you know who they're, 814 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,400 you know, you know, sometimes who they are. 815 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,120 It helps sometimes with a sig of knowing their philosophies Right 816 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,600 now. Let that's the latest book that 817 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,240 I'm reading is an Elie Wiesel book, but definitely still a 818 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:11,880 rereading Rabbi Berkovitz and and Rabbi Solovechik. 819 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,280 OK Lieutenstein. I've been reading some of his 820 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,640 material as well. So yeah. 821 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,400 Great. And what's your favorite 822 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,080 commentary on Parshata Shiva? The. 823 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,840 Torah Tamina, I think I love the concordance. 824 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,880 He also has a made his super commentary as well. 825 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,760 But amazing how he was able to find all the sources. 826 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,040 The one there's one one of my favorites is on the word Shadai 827 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,800 where where Hashem comes to Avraham. 828 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,160 It's he goes through the whole the whole idea of of shot. 829 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,840 What the name of Shadai is is in the is Simpson the God who said 830 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,040 enough and talking about before we talked about us finishing 831 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,480 creation. He he has this whole explanation 832 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,440 that God left some room for us on purpose so that we can finish 833 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,520 God's creation. Otherwise what can we create We 834 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,920 have that we have to be to make clip in this world we have to 835 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,960 have kedushim. So I think the Torah to me most 836 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,080 is. Also a favorite of the pod 837 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,440 because he was himself a mentor in the workforce and we've 838 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,760 talked about him in the podcast in the past. 839 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,400 So finally for our last question, if you're forced to 840 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,640 leave your dental profession, find some new profession in 841 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,760 addition to your writing, but a different job may say your 842 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,440 dreams are doing as a kid, what would that be? 843 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,480 Think, I think it would be teaching. 844 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,200 I think that I would want to want to teach the combination of 845 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,920 Torah with Jewish philosophy. I think students, whether in 846 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,760 high school or the year in Israel, should know these names 847 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,080 to know more of the writings of Rabbi Berkovitz, should know 848 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,360 really the writings of Rabbi Rabbi Salavejic. 849 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,160 I don't know how many students in Yu today have picked up his 850 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,280 writings. The rough. 851 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,360 I mean, there's no center NYU for, you know, it's called the 852 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,760 Rabbi solid a chick center. So I think I think that going 853 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,040 through the works and explaining them that would be I think 854 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,360 either even part time explaining, I think in 855 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,240 combination with a with a parsha bringing up bringing up 856 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,280 different rabbis and what they have to say and commentary and 857 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,320 explain it to them. I think, I think and also and 858 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,000 also the hit the history of it, of the history of, of where 859 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,680 where certain rabbis lived, why they were crucial. 860 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,520 I think that's something that's something missing. 861 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,560 And if you know today, if you ask certain, you know, they ask 862 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,000 a lot of students like where the where the Mahabir lived in the 863 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,920 Ravi Yosef Kara lived and in relation to Rashi or they don't 864 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,360 know the difference of, you know, 500 years. 865 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,080 So I think that that's that's something that to teach an 866 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,280 introduction or something like that that that talks about the 867 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,000 rabbi's talks about. I think that that's what I would 868 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,000 like to do. What that happened, I don't 869 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,320 know, but I think I think that's I like projects and goals. 870 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640 So maybe it will happen all. Right Ruby Mol, this has been a 871 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:00,920 great conversation. Thank you so much. 872 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,120 Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. 873 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,320 I appreciate it. Thank you all. 874 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,200 Right. Hug some F.