1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,920 Sholam Alaikum and welcome to Stark Tink. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,480 Stark Tink is a podcast about the challenges and opportunities 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,360 of Bega Mentora in the workforce. 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,120 As we approach PESA, we are bringing you a mega collection 5 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:14,640 of De Veritura from Benitura in the workforce across the world. 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,600 You will hear from Reviakov, Danischewski, Rev Jonathan Levy, 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,600 Rev Max Berger, Zach Lennick, Mark Tobin, and Doctor Morty 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Goldenberg. And as we prepared to release 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,280 this week's episode, we snuck in one more Advertora with my good 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,160 friend Joel von Messel. At the end you will hear some 11 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:36,400 ideas of mine, which I shared on the Greatest PowerShot Podcast 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,440 hosted by Raymond Ashkenazi, a Stark Tank listener, and Emma 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,160 Diane. This extra long episode would 14 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,000 not be possible without the extra editing help from Slomo 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,800 Price. So thank you, Slomo, wishing you 16 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,560 and your families, Ahad Kashir, Vasamya Rabi, Yakov Donatowski, 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,280 welcome to starting and thank you for joining us today. 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,440 Thanks for having me. So before we talk to her 19 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,240 together, maybe just a little quick introduction about 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,360 yourself, your background, connecting Torah and the world 21 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,200 of mental health before we jump into the meat of the 22 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,200 conversation. Sure. 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 So I am. I live in Chicago. 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:16,040 I'm a therapist as well as I try to teach Torah and write and all 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,080 sorts of things of that sort. And for me, Torah has always 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,880 been something that very naturally connected to the inner 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,320 life and inner world of myself and, and, and in thinking that 28 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,280 other people as well. And then I also, as I in my 29 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,240 professional life developed more in terms of working as a 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,800 therapist. So certainly that kind of 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,520 connection and and building that bridge kind of came more more 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,800 alive and in a more pronounced way. 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Amazing and you've written a bunch of books. 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,440 We'll talk about them at the end of this conversation. 35 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,200 We'll link them in the show notes, especially your new how 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,880 God that was just came out. So as we're approaching Pesach, 37 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,320 what's on your mind? What you think is the most 38 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,160 important messages that especially people who are trying 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,920 to live a life of, you know, working, learning, family and 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,560 all that should be taking with us? 41 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,120 What's, what's sort of what's the idea that you want to share 42 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,080 with us today? Sure. 43 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,200 So if we're thinking about people Vinay Toran in the 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:13,480 workforce, something that I I think about is connecting it to 45 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,320 Pesach. What I'll mention is that 46 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,120 there's a line we say in Ashrae, of course, from Tehillim Dora 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,440 lidori shabak Masaha generation to generation will praise your, 48 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,600 your handiwork Hashem. There's a line in the Haggadah 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,080 that we say, behold Dora vador Hayev Adam lero sisatzmu kilu 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,120 yatsumi Mitzrayim that in each and every generation a person's 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,360 person should see themselves as if they're leaving Mitzrayim. 52 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,200 And I noticed the similarity of of the phrase Dor lidor, Dor 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,320 vador in those two phrases. But on the other hand, there's a 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,640 difference Dor lidor with alamid and Dor vador with above. 55 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,800 And what I think the difference is, is that the lamid indicates 56 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,040 kind of a transitioning, a passing on from one generation 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,400 to the next. There's a continuity. 58 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,640 I think about it like a relay race, like you're holding the 59 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:01,360 baton and you run to the next person, you hand it over. 60 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,720 That's Dor lidor Dor vador. Behold, Dor vador in my and mine 61 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,120 indicates the opposite. There's a differentiation. 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,000 There's a splitting each and every generation, particularly 63 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,920 individually. So why in one way it's when one 64 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:17,480 place it's one way and one place it's the other. 65 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,520 I think perhaps because when it comes to you Shabbat Masaka, to 66 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,560 talking about a college baraku, to praising Hashem that's passed 67 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,600 from one generation to the next, that's door lador. 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,520 When it comes to Lyro says at smoke, you will yatzumi 69 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,680 mitzrayim seeing yourself and experiencing it's Yas mitzhayim 70 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,560 that needs to be individualized for each generation because no 71 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,040 previous generation has the same circumstance, the same world, 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,960 the same experience of life that we do in our current moment. 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,080 And so that by definition needs to be the whole door vador, not 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,000 door lidor. I share that in this context 75 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,240 more as a framing of that in Yiddish kite, I think there's 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,040 two aspects, as the Baal Shemtov said, there's Elokaenu and 77 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,840 there's Elokaev Husseinu, as we say in Schwann Astray, there is 78 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,240 the world of what's passed down to us. 79 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,040 And then there's the world of what we create. 80 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,040 There's the God of our forefathers and there's the God 81 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,920 that's personally ours. And I think that a, a balanced, 82 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,520 rounded, wholesome Yiddish kite contains both. 83 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,560 And I bring that out in this context of Stark Tank. 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,600 Love the name, by the way, because, because I think about 85 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,520 people as they grow in life, in age and in the amount of things 86 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,240 that we juggle. I think for most of us, there 87 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,200 are exceptions. But for most of us, when we were 88 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,480 in yeshiva and we had three stars a day or whatever it was, 89 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,880 or even if we had more time later when we started working, 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,440 there was a lot of what I would call the Dora lidor learning a 91 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,240 lot of time and space and capacity to learn in that kind 92 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,240 of, let's call it more classical model, right? 93 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,680 Having an assafter that I'm learning through, or sigyas that 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,520 I'm learning through, or an era of halacha that I'm learning 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,640 through and doing it in that kind of classical way. 96 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,560 That's the Dor lador. I think as we get older and life 97 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,320 circumstance become more complex and often times we become spread 98 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,920 more thin, we certainly need to still hold on to the Dor lador. 99 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,120 I'm not advocating for getting rid of that, but I think there's 100 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,960 another component of learning Torah that becomes very relevant 101 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,840 and very important for some people. 102 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:17,600 I think it becomes actually essential, and that's the Dor 103 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,040 vador that a person needs to find their own own experience of 104 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,560 what Torah says and speaks and means to them in a way that's 105 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,960 out-of-the-box for everyone That's different. 106 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,520 So I don't want to speak to it too, too much, but something 107 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,880 that's not necessarily the classical base medrish of 108 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,960 sitting with my, my Gemara and looking in the back at the rush 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,400 and then looking all finding their own bond and the Rashba 110 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,080 and and and and and and and. Fine, you know, working through 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,680 the reply and the whole thing. Because I don't necessarily have 112 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,960 3 1/2 hours today and tomorrow and the next day and the next 113 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,400 day, but I might have 5 minutes here, I might have two minutes 114 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,080 here or 30 seconds there. And what happens if I open up a 115 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,200 pastor or a Mishnah and without all the Rishonim? 116 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,120 And I asked myself what this means to me, what it's speaking 117 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,520 to me, what it's saying, what I, what I feel when I open this up. 118 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,480 Like Your Salvation once said that too many people forget to 119 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,560 ask themselves when they're learning Torah, when they're 120 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,840 reading something and home specifically, he said this about 121 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,480 what mood does it put me in? Not what do I think and how do I 122 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,640 analyze this, but what mood does it put me in? 123 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,680 That I think is the Behold door vador, because I think there's a 124 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,120 new aspect of Torah that's emerging specifically in our 125 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:35,560 generation, which is a Torah of what what comes up inside of me 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,640 when I encounter, when I put myself in the presence of Torah. 127 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Not to replace the Dora Ladora, God forbid, but as an extra, 128 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,560 another mahalo that I think everyone needs, but especially 129 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,840 those whose lives become spread more thin, more complex, more 130 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,920 complicated, and are still trying to hold on tight to 131 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Torah. This is another way of holding 132 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,400 on to Torah. So I really like that. 133 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,000 I'm curious, do you remember sort of the origin of that idea 134 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 or where you came up with that? The reason why I'm asking is 135 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,920 because it's like one of the tensions that we talk about on 136 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,680 this podcast, you know, our Bam and yeshiva, our Bam and 137 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,360 yeshiva. And they have never necessarily 138 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,680 had to some of them whatever I'm journalizing a little bit, but 139 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,840 but you know, they live in a certain world and then we're 140 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,200 going to live in a world that they don't necessarily live in 141 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,400 with their whole Kishka's. So is this something that you 142 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,400 did get Yeshiva or you figured out on your own through your own 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,160 experiences? Yeah, it's a great question. 144 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,800 So I'll give some credit for a second to a couple of people. 145 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,120 One of them would be Rivari Waxman in Shalavan, who was one 146 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,480 of the first real Rabaim I had. And I remember once even I, I 147 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,480 don't think we talked about this explicitly necessarily, but I 148 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,960 think he planted certain seeds that later really got watered 149 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,600 and and developed and became and and grew more above the surface. 150 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,320 So I can remember even like looking back one time and I 151 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,400 don't think I registered this in the way that I'm talking about 152 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,000 it now, but This is why I say it was like he planted a seed. 153 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,280 I remember once we had a like a comes it's, or whatever it was 154 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 now we call it, if I bring in, you know, whatever, whatever it 155 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,280 was. And, and I remember afterwards, 156 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,280 he and I went off to the base of Madrich and he's like Yaakov, 157 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,080 come, let's go learn. We went up to the base of 158 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,240 Madrich and he opened the mission. 159 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,120 We just opened the mishnias and he read the mission and he just 160 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:17,280 sat there. He's like, let's just learn a 161 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,520 Mishnah. And we just learned the Mishnah 162 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,120 And he was like, wow, like to learn a Mishnah and like, what's 163 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,960 the mission of saying not what's it saying? 164 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,120 Analyzing it from the again, classical base measures wave. 165 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,880 I was like, just what's the mission of saying? 166 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,640 What do you feel when you learn this mission of? 167 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,440 And it was more at that time this just like, whoa, 168 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,480 interesting, out-of-the-box, weird experience, but I think it 169 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:45,600 planted a seed I I encountered in my life personally in the 170 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,400 therapy world for sure as well. And also in a number of Torah 171 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:54,880 sources, I would say many maybe most pronounced among them the 172 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,200 villenegon or the gras in beer and Michel and elsewhere as well 173 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,880 as in its seven, a few places in Hammock Davar, as well as the 174 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Torah of, of cook and also in the Torah of of of Hasidos. 175 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,640 This comes up a lot the belief and the role of Ruach ha kodesh 176 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,440 in learning Torah. And I know this may might sound 177 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,240 crazy to some people, but the truth is if you learn the sugya 178 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,920 in Baba Basra Adafi Baseman Bayes, if you learn through the 179 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,200 Yushantha there and bond there, it's about you'll see there that 180 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,320 Nivu is not over Nivua transferred into a place of Rafa 181 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,840 Kodesh. And the way I understand that is 182 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,560 that there's a certain intuition that a person can experience 183 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,480 where they can actually access something, that Tora is speaking 184 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,640 to them from a place of intuition. 185 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,480 And I, I became very passionate about this, about the 186 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,800 importance, what I would say the lost art of intuition. 187 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,200 It's very important therapeutically, it's very 188 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 important life wise. And I think it's very important 189 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,360 in Tora as well that there's a, there's a, there's a real source 190 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,680 of knowledge that comes from a place of more of a free 191 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:59,160 association, more of a sitting with something, not trying to 192 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,280 analyze it, just sitting with it and seeing what emerges, seeing 193 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,680 what emerges inside of us as we're in that, the presence of 194 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:10,640 that text, the presence of those words, what do I feel? 195 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,160 What do I notice? What, what comes to mind for me. 196 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,440 And I would say just to mention one other person who really 197 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,280 brought this out, like in the most strong way for me is your 198 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,840 dove zinger and Arita Shahl. He has a mahalo where he really 199 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,680 develops the role of intuition and listening to what's 200 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,560 happening inside yourself in a way that I think is is really, 201 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,760 very, very powerful and really, really influenced me a lot. 202 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,160 I'll give just as another example to this, not necessarily 203 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,960 in the context of Torah, but in the context of life. 204 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,040 So you know the the Gemara says that the Hassidim re shown him 205 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,240 would be show a Shah Akhas podem to Fila. 206 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,600 They would sit for an hour before domining and also shown 207 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,320 Shah Akhrat Fila after domining. And so the part the part before 208 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,600 domining is the more well known everyone talks about. 209 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,440 You know that person has to be be Isha Hadas. 210 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,640 You have to settle your mind to be able to have cabana. 211 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Great. So they did that for an hour. 212 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,080 You know, how about you know, to think of doing that? 213 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,280 But OK, they did that for an hour. 214 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,760 We understand theoretically what they were doing, but what were 215 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,600 they doing after domining? Showing Shaka Shaka, what were 216 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,640 they doing? They're not settling their mind 217 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,280 to be able to Dobbin. They just finished dobbining. 218 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,080 So if Dove suggested that what they were doing is they were 219 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,480 receiving the answer to their tefila, they were sitting and 220 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,960 hearing Hashem speak back to them. 221 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,760 They just spoke to Hashem and now He's going to answer me. 222 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Answer me doesn't mean that He's going to give me the thing I 223 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,640 dove in for. You know, give us all the things 224 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,520 we dove in for. But that's not what it means 225 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,240 that He answered. What it means He answers me is 226 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,120 that He talks to me. He tells me things. 227 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,680 And if we stop and listen, Hashem speaks to us. 228 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,880 I believe Hashem speaks to every single one of us. 229 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,680 Where does He speak to all of us from within ourselves? 230 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,760 A person can hear how I'm talking to them. 231 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,040 So I started trying to do this after daubening. 232 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,680 I don't sit Shahas. I don't, I don't, I don't do 233 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:58,480 that. Maybe one day. 234 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,080 But what I do do is I used to as I'm wrapping my feeling, I used 235 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,960 to take out my phone and start catching up on everything 236 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,840 already. Now when I'm wrapping my 237 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,480 feeling, I don't I try, I try not to take out my phone and I 238 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,680 just wrap my feeling and ask myself, what does this show I'm 239 00:12:12,680 --> 00:12:15,360 telling me for today? What does this show want for me 240 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,000 today? And I, I get a simple message, 241 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,720 says it takes a minute, one line and I get a message and I don't 242 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,360 know if I sound crazy, but I really believe it. 243 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,360 I really, really believe it. Bemuna Shlema, I believe that 244 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,840 Hashem is talking to me in that moment. 245 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,400 And sometimes he tells me, Yaakov, be calm today. 246 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Sometimes he tells me, Yaakov, be positive today. 247 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Sometimes he says, Yaakov, go learn some halacha as he says, 248 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,840 Yaakov, you know, go call this person and reconnect and make 249 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Shalom whatever it might be. But I but I think that that we 250 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,400 can hear Hashem speak to us through our intuition and 251 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,320 through Torah. Amazing. 252 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,000 So if anyone's watching on video, they'll see that Yaakov 253 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,120 is in Brooklyn away from his home homecourt advantage in in 254 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,400 Chicago. And I don't know if the audio 255 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,440 editing will cut out or not. We got some some Brooklyn 256 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,280 honking there, which for me is amazing because it really is the 257 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 soundtrack of my youth growing up in Brooklyn, the, the, the 258 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,880 distinct honks of, of Brooklyn. So I appreciate that a lot. 259 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,560 So you're you're there not because you necessarily want to 260 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,480 be there or whatever or not because you enjoy the trip to 261 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,640 Brooklyn on its own terms, but because you just can't with a 262 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Haggadah. So they tell us a little, just 263 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,800 briefly, about the Hagada and where our listeners can find. 264 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and I apologize for the 265 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,280 beeping that one those couple of beeps were very special. 266 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,880 I don't know if I've ever heard such a such aggression and and 267 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,160 length extension of the airtime on that on that beep was it was 268 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,120 impressive. So hopefully the audio will it 269 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,040 will work here. But so I'll tell you just as you 270 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,720 know, there's so many things to say about the Haggadah bar 271 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,680 Hashem that just came out. But but maybe I'll continue this 272 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:43,560 theme of what I'm talking about just to continue bringing this 273 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:46,360 idea home, because I really I really feel passionately that 274 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,080 it's important for everyone, but especially for a work working 275 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,880 balabas and so on. Stark Tank. 276 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,040 I'm happy for the opportunity to emphasize this. 277 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,600 I wrote this Haggadah in a very different way than my other. 278 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,560 You know, I wrote I wrote a book attached and I have a couple of 279 00:13:58,560 --> 00:13:59,800 other swarm that are in the works. 280 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,200 They take years. The swarm take years and they're 281 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,960 a process of looking up a lot of things, footnoting, backing 282 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,640 things up, finding the sources, working through things, adding, 283 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,760 taking out the whole a this Haggada. 284 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,320 I don't even want to say I wrote it. 285 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,400 This had got that happened in like 2 months and what happened 286 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,760 was that there was a whole story. 287 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,160 I'm not going to go into the details right now, but I had an 288 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,720 opportunity where I had a chunk of time in the day, very kind of 289 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,640 early when nothing else was going on, and I just kind of sat 290 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,840 with the Haggadah. I opened up the text of Haggada 291 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,640 and I just looked at the Haggada one, one line at a time. 1 Simon 292 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,080 about that at a time. I just sat with it. 293 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,760 I said what? What do I? 294 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,120 Notice what's coming up? What am I experiencing? 295 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,720 And I just typed and that was it. 296 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,360 Sometimes I felt naturally aligned with what was in the 297 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Haggadah in front of me. And it was like, it was magical. 298 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,640 There were fireworks, like ideas just flowed. 299 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,160 Sometimes I felt totally just disconnected from the Haggadah. 300 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,720 Like there's nothing here. It doesn't speak to me. 301 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,760 What I'm experiencing right now in my life has nothing to do 302 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:09,800 with this. And I don't really know what it 303 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,800 means. And OK, whatever it's, I know 304 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,480 the line and we've all heard it 100 times. 305 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,160 But right. And then sometimes I actually 306 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,640 felt at odds with what the Haggadah was saying, you know, 307 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,080 like lean and feel free. But I'm actually feeling very 308 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,320 unfree right now in a certain life circumstance or Bahui feel 309 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,840 sad. I'm, I'm not feeling more at 310 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,600 all. I'm actually feeling 311 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,480 ecstatically happy about something just happened. 312 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,120 And I would sit with that and allow my feelings and the 313 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,000 objective message of the Haggadah to speak to each other, 314 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,120 to have conversation. And what emerged was something 315 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,560 that blew my mind like this haggadah that just came out like 316 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640 it, it blows my mind. Like I don't even feel like I 317 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,160 wrote it. It just kind of happened. 318 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,440 And I think that's the Torah of the Torah of, of, of what can 319 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,440 happen from a person tuning into their, to the natural flow of 320 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,000 the Ruach ha kodesh that I think every one of us actually has the 321 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,640 capacity for. So this Haggadah is really a 322 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,520 deeper experiential haggadah. It's not a collection of, of, of 323 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,400 votes or Dere Torre or stories. You know, I was speaking 324 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,200 somewhere recently and there was a lady who came to buy the 325 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,240 Haggada and she came up to me very excited with that, that she 326 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,400 said, I'm so excited to, to bring this home to get this for 327 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,200 my husband. He loves having new DeVry tire 328 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,360 at the seder every year. And I wanted to say to her, you 329 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,000 know, here's your money back and and your husband's not going to 330 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,280 like my Haggada. It's not a collection of DeVry 331 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Torah. It's really about accessing A 332 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,600 deeper inward, inward experience of the Seder. 333 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,040 I'm just going to end the baby strange question, but but I, I, 334 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,800 I can't help myself at this point. 335 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,800 I'll just say it, you know, very bluntly, please, according to 336 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,160 the the mahat that you're saying, wouldn't it be better 337 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,920 for everyone to instead of going to the link in the channel story 338 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,400 Haggada to. Go get their own. 339 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Haggada write their own Haggada because if the if evidence here 340 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,920 is about what each and every person should finally in 341 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,840 themselves to the Haggada. Do you want to sort of give 342 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,800 still a pitch for, even though people should really be doing 343 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,920 that, why they should steal what they're going to find in that 344 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,200 gather that they can't get on their own? 345 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,040 I love that question so much and and I completely agree. 346 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,760 And I actually wrote about that in the introduction that my goal 347 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,119 in writing, the in, in, in, well, again, I didn't have a 348 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,400 goal in writing and it just happened. 349 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:18,119 But my goal in publishing the Haggadah was not that people 350 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,880 take the content of my Haggadah, It's that people learn from the 351 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,720 form of the Haggadah. There are no sources in the 352 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,200 Haggadah. There are no footnotes in the 353 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,640 Haggadah. Intentionally, I didn't want 354 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,320 that to get in the way of the experiential Torah that's 355 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,200 available to each person. And what I was trying to do in 356 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:39,520 in publishing this agata is to give people a form to learn 357 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,640 from. And if you don't like, if you do 358 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,720 or don't like the content of the Haggadah is not an indication 359 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,920 for me of the Haggadah being successful. 360 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,000 What's an indication of the Haggadah being successful is if 361 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,160 you start to do what I did, not that you have the conclusion I 362 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,880 had, you might have a completely different Torah. 363 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,400 But if you learn from what I was trying to do, which I think is 364 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,680 something that is really the Torah of this generation, again, 365 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,600 not in place of Dor Lador, but in addition to Dor Lador, the 366 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,720 behold or vado, the Torah of our generation, I believe is this 367 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,360 Torah that emerges from the inside. 368 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,720 And again, like I keep emphasizing, I think that's true 369 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,600 for everyone, and especially for those of us maybe who spent a 370 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,760 good amount of years building the bedrock, the foundation of 371 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,920 Dora Lidor. Because, by the way, the level 372 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,080 of what can happen for you in your intuitive Torah. 373 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,520 The level of. Depth and richness that can come 374 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,360 up is in the behold door Vador is influenced from the Dor 375 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:38,040 lador. The more Torah that a person has 376 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,680 swimming inside of them, whether they remember it or not, but the 377 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,680 more Torah knowledge that swims and lives inside of you, the 378 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,760 more capacity you have for your intuitive Torah to be deep and 379 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,680 and and meaningful and profound and well-rounded and developed 380 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,560 etcetera. So for those of us who have 381 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,120 spent a lot of years in the darla door learning and now have 382 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:04,600 more limited time and challenge in doing that, we should still 383 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,440 make time to do it, but we should also engage this new 384 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,120 opportunity of of intuitive Torah. 385 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,800 OK, beautiful. Rabbi Yakov Donshevsky, thank 386 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,120 you for joining us. And we'll include that 387 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,080 information out of the Gaza in the show below. 388 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,400 And I look forward to staying in touch. 389 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:17,360 Thank you. So. 390 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:20,960 Much for having me. We are joined now by Jonathan 391 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Levy. Jonathan, welcome to Stark Tank. 392 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,600 Thank you for coming today. Thank. 393 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,960 You, Yakov, appreciate it. So before we get into the Ray 394 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,560 Torah, maybe just a little quick background about yourself, some 395 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,400 of the work that you're doing, the Torah you're teaching, the 396 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,440 real estate that you're involved in before we jump in. 397 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:35,880 Sure, sure. Sure. 398 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,200 My name is Jonathan Levy. I I split my time. 399 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,040 As Yaakov was saying, I teach a lot of Torah. 400 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,600 Thank God I have the hoot of teaching a lot of Torah. 401 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,520 That would be kind of morning activity. 402 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,880 My main focus is historically has been, you know, my, my crowd 403 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,800 that I'm teaching is not. It is more of like a standard, 404 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,720 you know, working crowd. So a lot of it, it started off 405 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,520 as humash, humash, hafsara, maybe like some pirkha both. 406 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,960 And then it kind of like it became a real thing. 407 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:07,280 It evolved into Navi. So we did the Naveen Rishonim 408 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,000 and then it started, it became Ketuvim. 409 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,760 So now we're, I don't know, like 70% through the Tanakh, just I'm 410 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,760 like 70% through teaching the Tanakh. 411 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,880 Which is great. I'm currently teaching the book 412 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,600 of Yaskel and that would be like one part of my life. 413 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,880 I'm an assistant rabbi in a, in a bit Knesset in Great Neck, NY 414 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,720 called Shadow Hamim. And I'm the Hazan there as well. 415 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,280 So I'm the Hazan assistant rabbi. 416 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,280 And that's, that would be like filling in and speaking and 417 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:34,840 doing some teaching on the weekends. 418 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,160 And then as it pertains to my work, I own a company called RJL 419 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,040 Capital Advisors. The company focuses on sourcing 420 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,640 joint venture equity for commercial real estate operators 421 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,040 in the United States. And Bakasham, it's a good 422 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,520 business. It's a, it's an active business 423 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,960 that takes up my weekdays, the vast majority of my weekdays. 424 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,640 And then Bakasham, I married and I have 3 kids, so it's a full 425 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,680 life. I think that the theme of the 426 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,320 podcast is people that study Torah and focus on Torah and 427 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,200 balance that with working. And I'll say it's actually 428 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,480 there's a three legged stool here because it's working. 429 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,720 And then, you know, family also, which everybody should be so far 430 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,960 to have. So it's a very, very busy 431 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,720 lifestyle, but worthwhile. You know, it's great to be able 432 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,360 to meaningful things and or an upon us and and so on. 433 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,680 And give you mentioned your your wonderful family. 434 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,200 So a Masalto on your recent edition, which is really less 435 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,840 than a month old to masalto on that. 436 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,040 So may share with us some Torah from great necks and Torah from 437 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,280 the humash, the Tanaka saying also you want to share with us 438 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,880 as we approach Haga Pesa. Sure, sure. 439 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:41,560 So, so I'll, I'll tell you my, my main, my main thing when it 440 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,040 comes to Torah, I'll tell you like a personal preference I 441 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,200 have what I'm learning the humash or when I'm studying a 442 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,400 text of Tanakh. I very. 443 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Much like the the non perush Tanakhs in which you could see 444 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,440 the text. Because what happens is I use 445 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,400 miko, get the load daily, right? My computer from 10:00 AM to 446 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,880 11:00 AM is study of how much. The problem is half the time 447 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,800 there are no sukim on the page. In general, my whole mindset 448 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,000 with Torah is that I feel like we often, very often are 449 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,400 studying the Leafs or leaves on trees and are missing some very, 450 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,320 very big picture items, which you need to, you can only see if 451 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,160 you take a step back and think of things holistically. 452 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,760 So whenever I think of something like Davar Torah about Pesach, 453 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,920 that that really speaks to me. It won't be like a specific 454 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440 vort. I'll tell you what really speaks 455 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,840 to me about about Pesach is is Yaakov. 456 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,080 What would you say? How would you characterize in in 457 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,880 one sentence what Yitsyat Misraim was? 458 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,200 I thought. I'm the host of this podcast, 459 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,240 but I thought I'll say Misha Abdullah Gula. 460 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,000 I would say correct or in English terms would be like a 461 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000 slave revolt, right? I don't think we as Amisaral 462 00:22:53,000 --> 00:23:00,280 appreciate how big of a deal a building a religion around a 463 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,120 slave revolt actually is, first of all. 464 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,800 A little bit. Of a hidush here, why were the 465 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,160 midstream and this is a personal Hidushaman, you could take a 466 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,600 little bit. Why were the midstream so eager 467 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,440 to give Binet Israel their takshi team and whenever 468 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560 whatever when Binet straw were leaving Egypt? 469 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,960 So my theory is that we know from some of Yousef Misraim was 470 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,640 a bit of a dem. The like a political structure 471 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,040 of Misraim was that parole was at the top with his Hartum meme, 472 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,320 let's say call it his his, you know, people that helped him 473 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,560 preserve power. Pretty much everybody in Egypt 474 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,120 was a slave. So when one type of slave. 475 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,720 I think there every Sachs says that the pyramid was not just a 476 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,880 a physical structure, but also a reflection of the society. 477 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,480 Beautiful. I never. 478 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,520 Heard that, I never heard that, but yes, I definitely and and 479 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,440 therefore when I'm Israel essentially said the slaves have 480 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,240 value too. All of the other midstream were 481 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,720 also slaves were like, wow, this is a novel. 482 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,440 This is a novel thing that slaves could actually, you know, 483 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 in a society, it's hot, very, very highly structured and 484 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,200 hierarchical to say that the people on the bottom are the 485 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,000 beloved of God. And it's not might that makes 486 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,560 you right, but it's well, the what actually makes you right is 487 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,560 left to be seen because that that comes that's at Mamaha 488 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,040 Sinai, right. That's when you got the Torah. 489 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,440 But the first thing that I think we we have to appreciate about 490 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,800 Pesach is that we introduced as Amisrel this concept to the 491 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:36,680 world that the powerful are not right now if we take it for 492 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,320 granted, because all of us are thinking in Western terms, which 493 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,120 was completely rooted in biblical Yahaduta ideology. 494 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,920 So we take all these things for granted and then we, we forget 495 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,520 how big of a hidush they were at the time. 496 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,360 So I think Rabbi Sachs has a fascinating article where he, I 497 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,480 don't remember it in detail, but he, he, he analyzes 1 of Freud's 498 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,880 books. You may know if you read or by 499 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,840 Sachs, he 1 of Freud had a book about right? 500 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,040 Or Freud had a book about, I think it was about Moshe Rabenu, 501 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,640 where he claimed that the whole story that's written in the, in 502 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,960 the Torah is probably a forgery. And the actual story is that 503 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:17,680 Moses came from Paroz lineage and the reason corn throw away 504 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,120 sacks. The reason Freud says that is 505 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:24,440 because for a a people at the time of you see what means time 506 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:32,560 to think that the goel would come from lowly slave stock and 507 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,200 instead of being of priestly lineage. 508 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000 What's such a Hridouche that Freud says it's impossible that 509 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,520 the Jews thought of that it must be that this is actually not the 510 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,640 real story of am Israel and that am Israel is really is really 511 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,400 like every other myth or the story of has to match every 512 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,400 other myth in which, for example, I got I don't know it's 513 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,840 either, but what's that the story of Achilles. 514 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,760 The whole idea is that he's actually from royal lineage, 515 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,240 like all the whole, the whole theory behind the way they 516 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,320 thought of society is that lineage matters and your 517 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,440 bloodline is what matters and forget and power is good. 518 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,520 And AMI cell came and turned all of that on its head. 519 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,120 And I think that's like the most fundamental message. 520 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,560 That's why when they're revolutionary societies, AKA 521 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,880 like the United States, when they're building a revolution, 522 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,240 what where do they take their inspiration from? 523 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,480 It's like you look at the founding fathers. 524 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,000 They all took their inspire then and their inspiration that they 525 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,800 take is very, very, very focused on the Old Testament. 526 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,400 Many of the founding fathers weren't very much into 527 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,680 Christianity at all, but they were very inspired by the 528 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:41,120 biblical stories and by Judaism. So again, I know it's a little 529 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,160 bit long winded, but I would say that's like the the major thing 530 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,720 that speaks to me from a a high level about Yitzeim and the 531 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,480 story of Pesach and how we should be thinking about it 532 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,800 philosophically. And I'll tell you one more 533 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,920 thing. I think it's the foundation of 534 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,760 anti-Semitism as well. There is a probably the best 535 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,440 book I ever read on anti-Semitism is a book called 536 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680 Who Is Afraid of the Big Bad Jew? 537 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,920 I think it's. A Jew that lives in arts Israel 538 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,760 who wrote the book? I mean, you could look at it. 539 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,120 I forgot the name of the rabbi who wrote it. 540 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,360 And he goes through the writings of Hitler in detail. 541 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480 And you think that Hitler was like a crazed maniac, but he was 542 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,440 actually very philosophically astute. 543 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,560 And then he's like, I look around and I, I don't think 544 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,360 anybody realize anybody realizes what the Jews did. 545 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,360 They turned the moral story on its head. 546 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,040 They said that the person who is downtrodden is to be respected. 547 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,480 That's not the way of the world. The natural way of the world is 548 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,400 that if you look in the jungle, the strongest animal wins. 549 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520 So why all of a sudden, when it comes to to human beings, should 550 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,800 we flip it on its head and say the downtrodden should be cared 551 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,080 for or the downtrodden cared for in the jungle? 552 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,360 So that Hitler's whole claim was that the Jewish people by 553 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:59,760 changing this, this thing and making it that your power and 554 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,520 your might doesn't make you any better, but your goodness and 555 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,640 your commitment to God and the Torah makes you better. 556 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,120 He claims that that was a Hitler's claim was that that was 557 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,720 a corruption of the natural world order that needed to be 558 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,720 fixed. And I think one of the reasons 559 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,880 anti Semites aren't necessarily consciously aware of what 560 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,320 they're doing. But I think if a person is in a 561 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,800 mentality of anti-Semitism, it's often because they know that the 562 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,960 Torah and the Jewish values get in the way of something that 563 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,280 they want. And in most cases that's power 564 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,160 because the Torah doesn't respect power. 565 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,560 Amisa were the first people that introduced the concept of 566 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,440 parole, the despot being an evil man that deserves to be punished 567 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080 and how only God has power. And that means all humans are 568 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,200 essentially 0 and equal before God. 569 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680 So. I think I. 570 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,920 Think Pesach is is fundamental in that it teaches us these very 571 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,640 found these foundational lessons about philosophy. 572 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,160 And I think it's also the story of how anti-Semitism comes about 573 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:08,080 because our message is the worst message for someone who wants to 574 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,600 Lord over others and play the political game and dominate and 575 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,520 establish a new world order in their image. 576 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,160 And I think that's why Israel gets a lot of Flack. 577 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,960 I don't think Israel is hated around the world because we 578 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,040 aren't moral enough. I think it's because the 579 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,840 tendency of mankind is to not be moral and they're intimidated by 580 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880 how moral Amisala actually is. So those are some some thoughts 581 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,800 on Tessa. And yeah, again, those are the 582 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,480 things that speak to me. So that's. 583 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,000 That's really beautiful. Maybe just to follow up on one 584 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520 or two things. So first of all, I I appreciate 585 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,640 the finish about the the gold and silver. 586 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,280 I I've always been fascinated by that. 587 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,160 So yeah, that takes such a central role. 588 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,640 One of the only details of the whole story that makes it into 589 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,440 the briefing I'm carrying back in Parshad that is seems to be 590 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160 such a core part of the story. I always I've been fascinated by 591 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,680 that and and I appreciate that idea. 592 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600 I like that a lot. And I also, you know, it was 593 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,600 interesting how you took the idea of the slaver revolt story 594 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,160 and made it applicable to today through the idea of 595 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,120 anti-Semitism, which is unfortunately something that we 596 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800 need to be thinking about and talking about is I guess another 597 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,400 modern application. Maybe also like a a big picture 598 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,120 idea here, which is that but we live in the world which is so 599 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,680 blessed with so much wealth and so many good values around us, 600 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,600 especially as you said, compared to sort of previous generations. 601 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,880 Do you think this is like broader voda, broader mentality 602 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,440 that we need to all be really focusing on, which is, you know, 603 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,240 yes, there are things that still need to be accomplished, but we 604 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,000 also need so to be so, you know, grateful for so many things that 605 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760 we have today. It's a broader thing which you, 606 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,320 as you pointed out, you know, some of these things that we 607 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,480 just assume are so pasutas the economic stability that we have, 608 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,320 these physical safety that we have, the values that you 609 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,280 indicated that which are really based on our values are are 610 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,400 really so amazing. Is that a broader thing that you 611 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,160 see people or that you suggest or try to try to inculcate that 612 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,160 people focus on more? Yeah, in fact, I think here's 613 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:08,920 what I really think if Amisrel were to realize how many of the 614 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,040 beautiful things that we have in the modern Western world are 615 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,240 attributable directly to the Torah and can see the 616 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,680 philosophical link behind the Torah idea and human 617 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,120 flourishing. I think many. 618 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,840 More people would love the Torah in a purely rational way. 619 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,400 Meaning. Meaning, I think one of the I 620 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,400 think we take for granted so much. 621 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,480 The Torah. Promise that you want to hear an 622 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,760 interesting What's the difference between and Sorry I 623 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,040 keep asking you questions. I know it's not my role, but I 624 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,400 wasn't a 13. The hafta part of the Kreyachema 625 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,560 and the Hayam Shamoa. In Vayam, Shamoa includes a lot 626 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,000 of the physical right and. Well, includes a lot of like 627 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,520 actual, right? So do you know what the 628 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,320 difference is? The other difference is that 629 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,880 vyapti is set in the singular and vyam shamo is set in the 630 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,880 plural. Now the reason that's the case 631 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,400 is because in in my opinion, and I've heard this said by other 632 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,240 Rabbani, the vyapti is set in the singular and every 633 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000 individual, their life is not. There's no direct link between 634 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,720 how they, how much they keep and the brahot that they're going to 635 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,960 see in their life. You know, you have people that 636 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,000 are big sadikim and they have usurim and difficulty throughout 637 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,040 their entire life, right? But when it comes on a societal 638 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,040 level, if a society on the whole culturally follows the Torah, 639 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,440 then there is 100% guarantee that that society will see 640 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,280 generalized baraka. Doesn't mean that no individual 641 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,080 will get cancer in that society, but doesn't mean that in that 642 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200 society there will be general baraka in which they'll be 643 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,400 general abundance because they all kept the Torah. 644 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,280 Now, you could see that as like a mystical thing or you could 645 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,760 see that as a direct connection between once you inculcate the 646 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,000 vow, Let's say you take the last five of the Certa debro, right, 647 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,960 And you put them as mainstays in the society, meaning you have 648 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,280 nobody's murdering, nobody's stealing nobody's, you know, 649 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,680 there's general sexual propriety, you have honest court 650 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,560 systems and people aren't jealous for one another. 651 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,920 That I don't know of itself is going to create a society that's 652 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,120 very good, right? And I think one of the things 653 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:17,440 that that people miss is that they just don't understand the 654 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,920 philosophical wisdom of the Torah enough because they're 655 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,520 already in the system and they're already in the system 656 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,760 that the Torah created. So they don't realize that if 657 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,120 the Torah wasn't there to create that system for for them, they 658 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,520 wouldn't have seen any of the baraka. 659 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,880 But if someone does become aware of that, then all of a sudden 660 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,120 you develop a profound love and amazement at the Torah for being 661 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,360 so wise. And I think that's something AMI 662 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,800 could use, especially, frankly, in Eretz Israel, in which like 663 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,120 there's a whole societal move, like the whole purpose, I would 664 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,880 say of the Jewish state is to create a society and based on 665 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,240 the values of the Torah. Well, the more you cling to 666 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,880 those values, the more bracha you will see. 667 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,440 And if people could just draw that philosophical connection 668 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,560 and see how it's actually directly correlates, then I 669 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,560 think there's develops a lot bigger of a, of an appreciation 670 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,640 for the Torah in general. Amazing. 671 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,560 Jonathan, I really enjoy learning from your interesting 672 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,600 Hidushima, your interesting approach, which is not the 673 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,040 common sort of ideas that I used to learning from. 674 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,120 So if any of our listeners want to learn more from you and your 675 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,199 Shiri and where can they find them? 676 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,880 OK, so Apple Podcasts and Spotify, you could type in my 677 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,800 name, Jonathan Levy on either or any podcast channel. 678 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,360 I think it's. I use this Liv. 679 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,239 I right, Liv? I it's unique spelling, it's the 680 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,920 everything is spelled as Sparadi. 681 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,480 So it's like the parasha podcast, right? 682 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,960 PARASHA and so that would be the parasha one that I did a few 683 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,960 years ago that we've gone through the entire whole match. 684 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,920 I think twice on the podcast, but I re upload because people 685 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,239 like to keep up with it weekly. Again, it's all in this mold of 686 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,719 more like philosophical thinking. 687 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,600 I would say one of my a big influence of mine is Rabbi 688 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,760 Jonathan Sacks huge influence of mine, but like very much a a 689 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,360 student of the peshat of the text. 690 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,520 So it's not heavy on Mifarshim, but it's heavy on good 691 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,960 discussion. The Navi podcast, that would be 692 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,800 the second one. That's the one in which we're 693 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,480 currently in the middle of Sefia scale. 694 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,400 And then again, all of like the actual names of the books are 695 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,560 going to be written in Svara D Yeah, scale is a hey, each 696 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,760 instead of a whatever. And then the Katuvin podcast is 697 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,600 a work in progress. I do have a podcast called the 698 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,280 Tahilim podcast that we went through all 150 chapters of 699 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,840 Tahilim and I did a Swara D Kriya of those chapters. 700 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,720 So I'm very precise with Dick Duke. 701 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,920 So if you want to know how to read according to Swaradi, I 702 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600 mean, according to all pronunciation, but Sparadi tunes 703 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,040 the helium, then that would be a good podcast you could check out 704 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,240 as well. And yeah, that's, that's it. 705 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:40,680 That's my work. OK. 706 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,920 Amazing, Jonathan, thank you so much. 707 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,040 I look forward to staying in touch. 708 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,400 I really. Appreciate, Yakov. 709 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,920 Thank you so much. Bye, bye. 710 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,200 Stop joining us now. Is Max Berger. 711 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,880 Max, welcome to Stark Tank. Thank you for coming. 712 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,800 It's. A pleasure to be here. 713 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,760 I'm, I'm humbled to be here. A few weeks ago I saw you had 714 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,800 Yessi Landis on and he said Katonte Mikola Kasadin, because 715 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,560 of all the great rabonim you've had here on this show. 716 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,120 And I'm thinking he's a founder of a Unicorn, so I'm even more 717 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,040 Katonte. So it's great to be here and I'm 718 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,720 happy to be here. Yeah. 719 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,880 So before we jump into talking towards a little quick 720 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,360 background yourself, you are some people call you a startup 721 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,360 rabbi. So how'd you get that title and 722 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,800 where did that lead you to I. Guess I gave it to myself at my 723 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,080 at my previous job I I coined the term Chief Rabbi of my of my 724 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,040 office. I worked at Next Gear Ventures 725 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,280 in the early stage precede seed venture capital firm in Tel 726 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,840 Aviv. It started kind of organically 727 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160 my background up until that when I grew up in New Rochelle, NY. 728 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,160 A beautiful, lovely community. Highly recommend to everyone. 729 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400 I went to SAR Academy and then SAR high school. 730 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,080 I spent two years in Ishibadakoto. 731 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:54,000 I spent a year teaching in TVA the the Yeshiva of Ytva Hobart 732 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,640 to Tommy Deem. And. 733 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,560 Then went to Tel Aviv University, did a degree there, 734 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,560 and then started working in venture capital. 735 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,480 I think one of the threads that kind of went from yeshiva 736 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,520 through TVA, through Tel Aviv University and into my work was 737 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,280 a desire to teach and to share ideas that were meaningful to 738 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,320 me. Now, the language that I was 739 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,520 able to express those ideas were in Torah very naturally. 740 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,480 So that Torah contains very, very deep truths about the world 741 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,240 and about our lives, and that became the language I learned 742 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,200 how to express it in. So when I was in yeshiva in 743 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,360 Shanabet, I gave a Shanabet kabura that was really 744 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,760 meaningful for me. And when I went to TVAI was able 745 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,680 to expand that kabura into something much bigger. 746 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,480 I thought there was a a time when maybe I would I was 747 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,320 thinking about pursuing Chinook more formally as a Rebbe 748 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,080 realized that wasn't exactly for me. 749 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,720 Then I went to Tel Aviv University. 750 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,000 I was studying philosophy and Jewish studies. 751 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,280 Like, OK, maybe I'll start teaching here, not as a Rebbe, 752 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,920 but as a professor. So maybe trading the I guess in 753 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,840 both, both professions professions, you're probably 754 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,520 wearing a cardigan. So that's what that's the the 755 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,200 Satoshi between them. And when I went to work in 756 00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,240 venture capital, it was it was a different type of environment 757 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:10,000 altogether. First of all, it was the first 758 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,600 time I think being visibly religious was something I 759 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,280 actually noticed. I didn't really think about it 760 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,720 growing up much in anywhere up until that point. 761 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,400 But I remember in my interview going into the kitchen and 762 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,720 making myself a coffee and thinking, am I able to use the 763 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,440 spoons here? I mean, it was a secular 764 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,400 environment. To my knowledge, there wasn't 765 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,760 anyone else who was religious there. 766 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,120 And I started. To think, wait a minute, I'm in 767 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,720 Tel Aviv, I'm in Israel. I'm in supposedly in a, in a, in 768 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,600 a Jewish state. What would this, what was, is 769 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,200 this going to look like for me as a Jew? 770 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,240 And on my first day, I remember introducing myself to everyone 771 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,120 and everyone's like, oh, you must live in Jerusalem. 772 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,080 I'm like, because I'm wearing Ekipa. 773 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,280 It was, it was kind of jarring and nobody meant any malice in 774 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320 that comment, but I realized that wearing Ekipa in Israel, 775 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,640 is, is, is is pregnant with a lot of meaning. 776 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,680 I mean, it has a political value. 777 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,200 It has an identity value. And I don't know, it started to 778 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,840 be something I was thinking about in a more intentional way 779 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,920 and, and maybe as a joke or maybe in a serious way, but not 780 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,160 in any no one expected this moment to become something 781 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,880 bigger than what it was. We were at an event, maybe it 782 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,440 was a a birthday happy hour at the office and someone said Max 783 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,400 share a share a share something from the parsha. 784 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,760 I think it was mostly a joke. But again, this was a language I 785 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,680 had learned how to express myself in. 786 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,720 And I shared an idea about leadership and about what the I 787 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,080 don't remember the exact board, but I remember having to do with 788 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,960 Moshe. I remember being about Vayamina 789 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,680 Bashemu Moshavdo and thinking about the people believing in 790 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,720 this leader. And, and I connected something 791 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:35,840 about what the Jewish people were going through in that 792 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,040 week's parsha into what was going in on in our office at the 793 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,760 time. And people were really moved by 794 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:41,800 it. For me, it was just devoid. 795 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,280 It was cute. But I think for people who have 796 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,520 not experienced that kind of thing before, it was, it was, it 797 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,000 was pretty meaningful. And then it became sort of the 798 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,720 thing that when Pesach came around, I gave a board on 799 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,040 Pesach. And when she was came around, I 800 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,440 gave a board on she was. And each time I was weaving in 801 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,680 these ideas from the Torah into ideas from our lives. 802 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,480 And eventually then I, I coined the term chief rabbi of the 803 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,400 office and, and it became something that stuck with me. 804 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,240 OK, so cool. So let's. 805 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,360 Tell us a little bit about Pesach. 806 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,160 What's on your mind as we approach this holiday, given all 807 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,680 the sort of ways of thinking that you've developed as you 808 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,240 described? Sure. 809 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,560 I mean PESA. Is a, is a, Is a really good 810 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,280 holiday on this regard, particularly when we we talk 811 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,280 about, when we think about matzo and and Hummet. 812 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,800 And I think the reason why those are interesting is because they 813 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,680 map really interestingly onto identity. 814 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,880 What do I mean by that? I think in the workplace in 815 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,760 general, and I was alluding to this earlier, one of the most 816 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,720 difficult things for people when they enter into a workplace is 817 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:41,440 where to bring their particular identities. 818 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,440 I mean, work is something that has a lot of performativity in 819 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,360 it. You want to be a good employee, 820 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,960 you want to make money, you know, with her. 821 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,600 If you make money that has to do with yourself worth it has to do 822 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,600 with your status. It also has to do with simply 823 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,440 can I provide for myself and for my family. 824 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,280 So you so you want to perform well and there's a sort of 825 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,120 cultural assimilation that happens as you as you get deeper 826 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,640 into it. I mean, I think there's a moment 827 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,720 when everyone realizes they got swallowed up in it. 828 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,160 If you're in the working world, it's the first time you send an 829 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,640 e-mail and you sign it. Best. 830 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,240 I don't think anyone does that in real life. 831 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,320 Nobody signs a conversation. Nobody says, hey, is is good 832 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,320 having lunch with you. Best Max you, you say goodbye, 833 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,640 you say thanks, you say whatever. 834 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,960 But this is something that's you. 835 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,640 You learn how to perform like the way your workplace expects 836 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,880 you to. And I think where this gets 837 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,080 difficult is the more you learn how to perform it in the way 838 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,440 that's kind of expected in that environment, and the farther 839 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,480 away you get from yourself, there becomes this dissonance 840 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,520 that leads to unfulfillment because you have this authentic 841 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,280 self, you deeply that's kind of buried up somewhere there and 842 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,920 you have this performative self you bring to the workplace. 843 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,600 And when you spend your entire day like that, it becomes, it 844 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,440 becomes pretty draining and unfulfilling. 845 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,360 And there's a lot of risk of bringing that authentic self 846 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,320 into the workplace because A, there's rejection in the way 847 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,000 that being authentic anywhere is rejection. 848 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840 But B, you know, if you lose your livelihood, you're kind of 849 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,680 screwed if if you attach your worth to what job you have. 850 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,840 So being authentic is a real risky endeavour. 851 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,560 On the other hand, being authentic isn't necessarily 852 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,000 always good. I mean, I'm a performance isn't 853 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,080 inherently bad. It's more of like a technique. 854 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,320 I'm aware of the fact that I'm performing right now to you. 855 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,320 I know that if I don't say anything, interestingly enough, 856 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,760 you probably won't post this. This is literally performative. 857 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,720 I need to sound good enough for you to post this, and I know 858 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,400 that there are probably people more learned than I am that are 859 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,600 going to listen to this, and I know I need to perform for them. 860 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,280 That when I say something about matzo and hummates that I 861 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,520 alluded to, it needs to track with the mokoros properly that I 862 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,760 don't sound like it. I'm arts and I know that there 863 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,720 are going to be people that I'll probably repost this on my 864 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,800 LinkedIn, probably will. So I know that potential future 865 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,040 employers of mine might see this. 866 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,040 So there is an element to which it's important. 867 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,680 But what happens is when performativity becomes it's an 868 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,400 end in and of itself, when it becomes your identity of I'm 869 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,520 good or I'm bad because I did well here and there. 870 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,280 So it becomes that's when it becomes unfulfilling. 871 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,200 Where it comes to the Matzo's, I think the Gemara asks a question 872 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,000 by the Gemara Brachos on Yudziano Metallif asks a 873 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,080 question I think is my exact question I'm asking here, which 874 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,280 is. I want. 875 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,080 To be authentic, I know I'm happiest when I'm connected to 876 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,440 myself. I know I'm I'm happiest when I'm 877 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,920 doing the right thing, whatever that is. 878 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,040 Why don't I do it? Why don't I do it? 879 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,960 So the question that Kumar asks is, is Golubiadua. 880 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:29,280 It's known that our ratzone is to do your ratzone cutter 881 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,720 sparkle. So Mama Aki, what's what's 882 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,400 preventing us? And, and I'll say the answer is 883 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,720 backwards there. It gives 2 answers. 884 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,520 One of them is she would mafias. Something outside. 885 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,840 Your your control if it's a boss. 886 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,080 So it's a boss ultimately, if you're working, doing something 887 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,520 boring that's not so fulfilling to you, ultimately you have to 888 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,840 do that. You need to, there's no element 889 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,320 to which you have to do that. On the one hand, the second 890 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,320 answer, which connects to Paysaf is it says the orb to ISA. 891 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,160 It's the, it's the yeast in the dough. 892 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:00,560 And I want to address those two separately. 893 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,240 So the first one is what do you do when you don't really have a 894 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,240 choice but to perform? We don't really have a choice 895 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,200 but to hit your, your monthly quotas. 896 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,680 You don't have a choice but to speak exactly the way you're 897 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,480 expected to speak and you feel disconnected. 898 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,160 So one of the ideas here is that it's OK sometimes to perform as 899 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,040 long as you know that you're perform. 900 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,200 I remember when I came back from yeshiva, I was during COVID, I 901 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,240 was very, I was in that classic stage when you get very harif 902 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:26,760 and you get very judgmental of everyone. 903 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,880 I was in Hack Hotel, which is a pretty sione yeshiva, and I had 904 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,080 this tension between wanting to be authentic, wanting to tell my 905 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,720 parents you have to make aliyah, and also being the hobby them 906 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:42,360 also doing Cuba. Dave and I said to my rabbi at 907 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,080 the time, I said, how do I square that? 908 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,800 How do I square the fact that me being authentically myself might 909 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,240 offend them and the fact that there's a mitzvah to respect 910 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,240 them? And I also know that they don't 911 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,720 really want me to give up on the authentic part of me. 912 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:57,480 They actually expect in our relationship for me to be 913 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,200 authentic. So how do I put that all 914 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,520 together? How do I be authentic and 915 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,720 perform kind of at the same time here? 916 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,080 And he said to me, there's something called winter. 917 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,960 And I said, Robbie, I have no idea what that means. 918 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,080 How is that an answer? And he said, is a tree not 919 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,560 authentically being a tree during the winter just because 920 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,360 it's not expressing all of its fruits, it's not inauthentic as 921 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,600 a tree. It just understands that in that 922 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,520 particular time and environment, being in the summer version of a 923 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,400 tree is unhealthy for the tree. So I think that's that's kind of 924 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,760 1 Mahalo, if that's actually helpful here. 925 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,920 It's OK to accept that there are times of winter. 926 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,640 It's OK to. Accept that today I can be OK. 927 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,640 The way we deepen this is in the second answer, which is the 928 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,520 Saorbisa. What is Saorbisa? 929 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,080 It's the ego. It's the Itara, the Saor. 930 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,040 This leavening. Agent gives the bread an 931 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,920 illusion that it created something of itself. 932 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,720 It creates something within its own ingredients that it could 933 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,640 then look at and say, look how great I am. 934 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,840 I'm bread. I could be. 935 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,360 I could be a crustini, I could be sourdough, I could be a 936 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,720 pizza, I could be a fancy matza. I could be literally anything. 937 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,360 I could be beautiful. People can love me. 938 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,080 People can appreciate me, people can adore me. 939 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,120 It's very performative. That's the sor. 940 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,800 And on the other hand, what is matzo? 941 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080 What is matzo that doesn't have that leavening agent? 942 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,160 It's lechem only it has another, not another in the sense that 943 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,760 it's it's, it thinks slowly of itself, but it has this in a 944 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,440 deeper level. It has this real sense of 945 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,280 another. I understand that that which is 946 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,480 beyond me or that which I have is not from me. 947 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,680 I didn't create that. I am not my performativity. 948 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,120 I'm something deeper. I have a core, I have an 949 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,360 essence. So when it comes to the matzo, 950 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,480 the matzo has no sense of illusion that it is anything 951 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,200 other than its essence. And what is that essence? 952 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,480 It's ultimately that it it's from the bare ingredients of 953 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,240 it's it's from Hashem. It's identity doesn't come from 954 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:54,120 being tied to its performance when it comes back to the 955 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,120 workplace. The point of or one idea to take 956 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:03,360 into Pesach is how can I learn how to recenter my identity in 957 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,440 the matzo of who I am? It's not that it's bad to 958 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,240 perform. You have to perform and 959 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,680 sometimes that performance looks like winter. 960 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,160 Sometimes that performance looks like summer. 961 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,120 But the question is, am I connected to the tree? 962 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,520 Am I connected to the core of who I am? 963 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,680 Naming that dynamic I think is one of the biggest things I've 964 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,920 seen with the friends of mine who are enjoying their work 965 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,560 versus the ones who are not. The ones who are fulfilled the 966 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,080 work and the ones who are not Why? 967 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,880 Because it allows you to be playful with the dynamic. 968 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,120 That's exactly what I did at work. 969 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,560 When I started giving Debray Torre, I understood that I was 970 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,920 playing a role. I was paid money to do a certain 971 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,720 role. I was expected to do due 972 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,360 diligence on startups. That's why I was being paid 973 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,360 money. And I'm going to do that. 974 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,280 I'm going to do that well. But because I understand that 975 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,840 that's a performance and that that's not going to affect who I 976 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,680 am at my core, I could actually slowly start to introduce more 977 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,080 of who I am without being scared it's going to affect myself, 978 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,280 worth or my status. So when we go into pay sock, I 979 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,080 think this piece is spend a week shedding yourselves of of the 980 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,200 identities and all of them good and bad. 981 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,560 Shed yourself a performance for one week. 982 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,640 The goal is not matzo forever, the goal is to recenter yourself 983 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,040 in matzo so when you go back to bread, you understand the core 984 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,440 and that's true of your religious identities. 985 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,040 I remember to say yeshiva, it was like if my rabaine think I'm 986 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,840 doing well or if my fellow friends think I'm doing well, 987 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,240 then I'm then I'm doing well in yeshiva. 988 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,800 That's performative in some sense. 989 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,320 Does it mean I was being a better evidence or not? 990 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,200 Not necessarily. If I am at at home and my 991 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,800 siblings see me as being a good son to my parents or my parents 992 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,080 see me being as a good son, am I? 993 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,280 Am I? Am I necessarily doing that 994 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,920 right? It's not so clear. 995 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,880 And I think part of it is, is, is it is sustainable over time? 996 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,320 And when you only perform without the sense of self, when 997 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,000 you're stuck in the OR when you're stuck in the ego, over 998 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,360 time, you lose connection to yourself. 999 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,360 So it's, it's a unfulfilling, but B, it's ultimately not 1000 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:47,320 effective. You'll burn out. 1001 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,480 So between these two answers, some things are out of your 1002 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,840 control. There's Shiba mafios to that. 1003 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,720 Pesach says go eat matzo. Go learn that a winter tree is 1004 00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,280 still a tree. It's still valuable and 1005 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,240 ultimately, if you don't want to live in winter, you could look 1006 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,680 for other jobs. But if you don't have a choice, 1007 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,760 learn how to find value in that. But the second piece is what's 1008 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,480 in your control is learning how to rid yourself of learning how 1009 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,960 to be Movata yourself of all of this, of the self identification 1010 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,320 with all the different expressions of your 1011 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,400 performativity. So yeah, that's that's that's 1012 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,440 something I've been thinking about. 1013 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:21,880 I think about it now. I mean, this is in I'm, I'm 1014 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,960 literally doing this in real time, as I mentioned before. 1015 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,760 I mean, it's really hard to breakthrough the performative 1016 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,600 layer because I know even sharing the whole piece about 1017 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,240 how vulnerable it is to call out performativity, that's 1018 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,680 performing vulnerability. It's really hard to breakthrough 1019 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,240 the soul or it's really hard to breakthrough the ego. 1020 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,120 You need to, to actually take time to eat matzo, to eat matzo, 1021 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,120 to meditate on the matzo. So, you know, going into Pesach, 1022 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,520 I, I give us that bracha that we, we all, everyone who's 1023 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,720 listening, me and you, we all have that ability to do that. 1024 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,600 So that's a really a powerful and deep idea. 1025 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,040 I guess one of the things that I've thought about a lot, and 1026 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,080 it's maybe a little bit of a different angle on the same 1027 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,480 question, is that, you know, when the Rama in hill Jose Deo 1028 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,400 says that a person is basically a product of their surroundings. 1029 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,440 So there he seems to say, like, you're going to be influenced by 1030 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,000 the people around you. You should try to influence your 1031 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,520 you should try to put yourself around the right people because 1032 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,760 that influence is going to happen. 1033 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,680 And again, taking a step back from that, I seem to understand 1034 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,480 that he's, he doesn't really recognize that distinction so 1035 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,720 much between the performative and the true self because he's 1036 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:28,680 saying, you know, it's hard to draw that line. 1037 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,240 What's coming from around you is going to inclate into you. 1038 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,520 And therefore you better try to put yourself in the best peer 1039 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,120 pressure that you can. So I guess how do you think 1040 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,400 about that idea and how it tracks on this sort of the, the 1041 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,480 distinction that you tried to draw? 1042 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,640 And there's a compelling distinction between the 1043 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,120 performative and the peer pressure versus what's really 1044 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,840 there underneath. It's a great. 1045 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,440 Question. Part of it is is self. 1046 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,120 Awareness. And honesty. 1047 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,040 Like rigorous honesty, I think a lot of people are like are 1048 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,760 capable of being a little bit honest with themselves. 1049 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,280 It's very hard to be rigorously honest. 1050 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,960 You know, that's why I was trying to get out of the end 1051 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,720 there is it's really hard to do this. 1052 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,720 It's really, really hard to get to the matzo of your artist like 1053 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,360 inner work to really see what's, what's the matzo of women? 1054 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,160 What's the, what do I, what's really at stake for me at work? 1055 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,400 Why, why really can I leave this job or why really can I not 1056 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,920 bring more of myself to to my relationships? 1057 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,640 I think the reason why I say self-awareness is because it's 1058 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,120 the album's obviously right in that the environments have an 1059 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,720 impact on you. My environment had an impact. 1060 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,880 Yeah, I work and there is an element in which you, if you 1061 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,240 have a choice, you can make choices. 1062 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,520 And that's where I think there's kind of the two parts here is 1063 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,640 sometimes it's Shiba Mafios. I don't think anyone living 1064 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:44,520 under, under Adam's rule or under, under any of the, the 1065 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,840 different Shibuddin we've been under, I don't think anyone 1066 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,880 chose that. So on some level you don't have 1067 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,400 a choice. We didn't have a choice, but to 1068 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,720 live under that, that she would. If you're in that environment. 1069 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920 To that I say there's like a level of work you have to do on 1070 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,920 pesos and around and around the clock of what am I performing 1071 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,480 and, and, and what am I losing from that performance. 1072 00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,720 Ultimately, you're the one who gets on, who gets disconnected. 1073 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,040 You're the one who's unfulfilled. 1074 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,320 You're the one who's performing a relationship. 1075 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,000 I mean, I think people see that in all aspects. 1076 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,120 They're like, it's not just work. 1077 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,760 People see that in their friendships. 1078 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,760 People see that in their relationship with Hashem. 1079 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,480 People see that in their marriages where maybe it looks 1080 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,880 like a relationship, maybe it looks like a great relationship 1081 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,560 to the outside, but inside the relationship is killing the 1082 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,560 participants. So I think when it. 1083 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,800 Comes to to to the question of whether it's out of your 1084 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,320 control. There's an element of you got to 1085 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,280 do what you can do. When it's in your control, it 1086 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,800 might be even harder. And when it's in your control, 1087 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,720 then I'd say be honest and choose environments that are 1088 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:45,520 good for you professionally and religiously, personally, however 1089 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,160 you want to look at it. Amazing these. 1090 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,720 Are really fascinating ideas and I, you know, hope that everyone 1091 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,000 listening is able to sort of find the the freedom, whether 1092 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,560 it's the freedom within within a external situation or freedom to 1093 00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,160 choose between situations, whether they're at those 1094 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,240 junctures. I want you have to see after 1095 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,960 this Maya to make those right decisions and to, as you said, 1096 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,160 be really honest to themselves, as hard as that can be. 1097 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,360 And I think also just one other thing that I think about to 1098 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,760 appreciate that what you're saying is that, you know, we 1099 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,920 think about like our issue of years of being so stark and so 1100 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,120 strong or whatever. But like if you think about, you 1101 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,760 know, life about being that real honesty and that real maturity, 1102 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,440 that real depth that is required for these types of internal 1103 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,600 conversations, there's no way that we're doing that properly 1104 00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,760 at 18/19/20. I'm still not doing it properly. 1105 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,000 But it can only get that, that, you know, clearly see that you 1106 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,920 improve and get mature in that regard over time. 1107 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,240 So that's a really, you know, really wonderful ideas. 1108 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:34,320 Max, appreciate you sharing with us and I look forward to staying 1109 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,520 in touch. Awesome, thanks for having me. 1110 00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,080 We are joined. Now by my good friend Zach 1111 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,520 Lenok. Zach, welcome to Stark Tank. 1112 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,400 Thank you for joining us today. Thank. 1113 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,600 You it's, it's really a beautiful studio you have here. 1114 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,480 I gotta say thank you so much. Likewise for you over there and 1115 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,080 hobo. So you need to tell our audience 1116 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,680 briefly before we jump into the Torah discussion about yourself, 1117 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,160 what you do professionally, some of the Torah you're teaching 1118 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,560 online, in person. Yes. 1119 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,480 My name is Zach Lenok. I am a real estate agent here in 1120 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,320 Israel, primarily focused on helping people move to Israel, 1121 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,080 at least invest in Israel. I think if you, you know, on 1122 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,800 something here, you've got a foot in the dorm, way more 1123 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,400 likely you're going to spend a lot more time here. 1124 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:13,840 That's the the passion behind it. 1125 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,560 And I taught in yeshivas for nights there for like 5 years. 1126 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,840 I recently moved to Rehobo. So now when I get the chance, 1127 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,240 I'll teach like a kabura. And mostly it's focused around 1128 00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,520 the holiday that you know, that's happening. 1129 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,720 There's always a holiday to talk about. 1130 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:30,760 There's always something upcoming. 1131 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,560 So that's primarily what the sharing more about. 1132 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,320 Yes, that's a great segue. We are here, we are pass out. 1133 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,840 Is is right on the doorstep. So make sure it has some tower 1134 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,800 from Hobo, some tower from Zach's base measures as we 1135 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,560 approach Haga Pasa. Yeah, yeah. 1136 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,080 From from the base, I had to kick everybody out so that we 1137 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,560 can do that. So what we're approaching now is 1138 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,360 unique because there's a few holidays we have. 1139 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,000 I mean, really it's just a show as we're going that are not only 1140 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,560 the holiday itself, but there's also a man, there's this man 1141 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,280 that surrounds this man. Here's his man, suppose his man. 1142 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,480 So this man I feel like is really what's influencing or you 1143 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,240 know what I mean, kind of giving all of the meaning behind all of 1144 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,880 the actions and all of the different mitzvahs that are 1145 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,360 surrounding the day. So the real goal on some level 1146 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,040 is that you achieve something called heroes. 1147 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,760 And it's not just that we're remembering something that 1148 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,440 happened thousands of years ago to our people, but we're 1149 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,920 reincorporating every holiday. We're reincorporating what that 1150 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,920 means nowadays. It would be very hard to imagine 1151 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:40,120 a meaningful life without a concept of freedom and without a 1152 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,320 consistent. Feeding. 1153 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,640 Of that concept of freedom, right? 1154 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,480 Whatever freedom meant to you when you were 20s hopefully 1155 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,840 means a lot more when you're 25, hopefully means a lot more than 1156 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,720 you're 30 and so on and so forth. 1157 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,920 So every time you come back in contact with the holiday, with 1158 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,280 the Zaman, you have all that year of experience to bring it 1159 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,160 with you. You have a lot more working with 1160 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,280 you. There's a year of growth. 1161 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,520 And so, you know, the, the connection to the idea of Harry 1162 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,040 should grow as well. And there's something that I 1163 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,160 think is it's really beautiful because as you may have been 1164 00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,760 able to guess, I grew up in America. 1165 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:20,360 And so the American conception of freedom is something that 1166 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:26,400 exists in an instant that is more or less the extent of how 1167 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,600 at least I think primarily it's spoken about and presented 1168 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,680 freedom is that no one's stopping you. 1169 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,720 You can do whatever you want. Today I could do this tomorrow, 1170 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,840 I could do that. I can do whatever you want. 1171 00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,240 I'm free. And yet. 1172 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:41,440 And so we have this, you know what I mean? 1173 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,880 That was my basis understand of of Paris. 1174 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,360 And you could not have a more contrasted day in the entire 1175 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,640 year. OK, here's Montreal Seno. 1176 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:58,240 This is your chance to recognize, remember, you know, 1177 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,120 reinvigorate the meaning of freedom back into your life. 1178 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,000 The pinnacle of that whole thing comes with the, you know, the 1179 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,440 core of Pesach and the Seder night. 1180 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,440 There is no night in your entire life that has more rules 1181 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,240 regulations. Now you pick this up. 1182 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,080 Now you put it down. Now you smack the matzo. 1183 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,040 Now you eat the matzo. You have to eat this amount of 1184 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,320 matzo or it doesn't count. Do it again. 1185 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,280 You have to drink this. You have to drink it leaning. 1186 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,440 You didn't lean. Do it again. 1187 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,080 There's nothing about the night which allows for tremendous 1188 00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,840 amount of deviation. Literally had it's called order. 1189 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,360 You have a night of order. That's what Seder means in order 1190 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,240 and you haven't I got it tells you exactly what you need to say 1191 00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,920 the whole time. So the contrast is so stark that 1192 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,440 it's it's almost it's just wild, right? 1193 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,240 What you would imagine that Aloha should say is here are all 1194 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,240 the different components, let's say of pleasure that exists 1195 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,680 during a meal, Whatever you're more comfortable with do, but 1196 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,000 you should think about that. Have a sensitivity to it has us 1197 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400 have a sensitivity to whether or not you like leaning or not. 1198 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,480 Have a sensitivity to how much matzo is comfortable for you. 1199 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,960 Be pay attention, take a second, take 5 seconds. 1200 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:10,480 Is that good? No more. 1201 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,640 OK, good. You're free mat, you can do 1202 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,760 whatever you want. It's the exact opposite. 1203 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,840 I don't care how your tummy feels, you're shoving more matzo 1204 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,560 down your throat whether you like it or not. 1205 00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,760 And so I think that it's clear that the Jewish recognition, the 1206 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:26,400 Jewish understanding of Harris is so opposite of that. 1207 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,200 And I don't think that it's actually, I don't, I don't think 1208 00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,800 that it's totally opposite because you do need to be able 1209 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,560 to do whatever you want in a given instant to have hairs. 1210 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,320 That's a necessary embedded, you know, feature of it. 1211 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,840 But the problem with that is that it's, it's like we said, 1212 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:45,440 it's an it's an instant, the real question of Harris. 1213 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,200 I think that makes it a lot more powerful. 1214 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,640 And there we say eBay, Cornell, me show, Sigpa Torah. 1215 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,440 And Torah is all about commitments, consistency. 1216 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840 You know what I mean? Hashem never actually says at 1217 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,600 any point you're going to go to be a free man. 1218 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,800 He says, I'm going to take you out of Mitzrayim from this 1219 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,640 slavery to my slavery. Just pick your slavery. 1220 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,960 And I think that the real, the real difference between a free 1221 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:13,600 man and a slave is that the free man gets to choose his slavery. 1222 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,320 I'll explain what that means because if I now have the 1223 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,480 ability to make a choice that's meaningful, it's not the ability 1224 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,680 to choose between what color shirt I'm going to wear today. 1225 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,760 That's not necessarily a meaningful decision or what ice 1226 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,320 cream flavor we're going to get. The meaningful decision is what 1227 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,200 do I want to become? What is something that I can see 1228 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,000 in my future that would be worth attaining, that would provide 1229 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,520 meaning in my life? And another way of looking at 1230 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,680 that same question, or really the practical way of looking at 1231 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,840 that same question is. What? 1232 00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,240 Set of rules would I need to commit to on a consistent basis 1233 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:59,400 for how long to achieve that, to achieve that being my favorite 1234 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,360 example of this just because he had the you know, the whole 1235 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,240 brand behind it was Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant decides he's going 1236 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,720 to be the best basketball player ever. 1237 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,080 OK. He doesn't sleep whenever he 1238 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,960 wants to sleep, he doesn't eat whatever he wants to eat. 1239 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,200 He doesn't go wherever he wants to go. 1240 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,360 He doesn't do whatever he wants to do. 1241 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,320 He doesn't say whatever he wants to say. 1242 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,520 He doesn't. There's an immense amount of 1243 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,040 rules that something meaningful that making a meaningful choice 1244 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,920 would then bind you to. And the only difference in terms 1245 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:30,000 of the amount of work that's involved between the freeman and 1246 01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,440 the slave is the same amount. And I think that that's why when 1247 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,200 Alvaro Mavino wants to understand how Hashem is going. 1248 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,160 To embed. A nation with the same desire 1249 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,320 for freedom, that same Harris that he spent his life fighting 1250 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,240 for, He says, how are you going to do that? 1251 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,360 How are you going to find a way to embed that in a nation? 1252 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,880 What does that mean? Not everyone is going to choose 1253 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,160 this, he says, oh, because they're going to know everything 1254 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,320 about slavery. They're going to know exactly 1255 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,400 what it takes. They're going to. 1256 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,400 It's the same amount of work. You're not working any less 1257 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,000 hard. I mean, if you're really free, 1258 01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:11,160 right, we're slave to our Taivas, we're a slave to a lot 1259 01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,720 of things that in really inhibit our freedom. 1260 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,360 But if you're really free, there's no less work than a 1261 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,000 slave. The only difference is that the 1262 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,760 freeman gets to choose a slavery, the slave just gets a 1263 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,200 given to him. Can you clarify? 1264 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,080 The difference between or the comparison to, you know, a 1265 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,720 basketball player, Kobe Bryant and all these other athletes who 1266 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,520 really is incredible to think about a little bit how much they 1267 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,360 restrict themselves and push themselves and set all sorts of. 1268 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,560 I once heard Tom Brady has like this ridiculous diet, right? 1269 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,920 He doesn't eat tomatoes because like they might cause some type 1270 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,680 of infection or I don't know, whatever it is. 1271 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,520 I can send like his food like just taste disgusting because 1272 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,920 he's so committed to eating only the very healthiest and best 1273 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,160 foods. But I guess that mushal is, is 1274 01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,480 interesting because they're, you know, they want to achieve 1275 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,880 something. They are deciding that this is 1276 01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,080 the best way for them to achieve it. 1277 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:00,880 And it's so basically they're, they're, they're serving 1278 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,200 themselves and using the rules as a way to serve something 1279 01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,920 themselves. Whereas we believe that we're 1280 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,960 serving Khashbar, who we are his Avadim and we are designed to be 1281 01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,200 as Avadim. So there is, I think, a 1282 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,600 distinction in my mind between those two. 1283 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,440 So you can just clarify to what extent you think that that 1284 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,920 mushal is what point you're trying to bring out And, and 1285 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,960 where does that muscle end? I I. 1286 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,040 Actually think that it's and that it's the same because we 1287 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,040 don't actually say that the goal is to be the avid. 1288 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,920 The goal is to be the Ben horn and the Ben horn is the one 1289 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,280 who's osik batora. And anybody who's really given 1290 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,080 up that much for Torah always recognize that it's a self 1291 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,160 becoming. It's not like I've done this all 1292 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,640 for God in a totally selfless way that has nothing to do with 1293 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,080 my particular being, my life, my relationships, whatever. 1294 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,680 I just put all that aside for a Shem. 1295 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,480 No, no, the point is that you utilize everything that you have 1296 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,920 that is your, you know, unique individuality. 1297 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,840 You recognize what it is that you could be how what, what kind 1298 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,920 of Shem ask for you? How could you maximize the 1299 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,680 potential that he's put at your doorstep and finding a way to do 1300 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,520 that. So we, we would say something 1301 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,000 like this. We would say, I want to be a 1302 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,400 Bentora. Oh, you want to be Bentora? 1303 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,800 You have the freedom to do that. It's not the freedom to lift 1304 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,920 your hand now or do this or walk over there. 1305 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,480 That's the freedom to get up every morning at 5:30 and learn 1306 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,320 the doff before you go to Nate's, before you do this. 1307 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,320 And then eat, but not eat too much. 1308 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,720 Because if Ventura doesn't eat too much and make sure that 1309 01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,440 you'd spend a whole minute, maybe or two minutes or 1310 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,200 whatever, you know, saying you're after bracha. 1311 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,640 And that means that you were going to act a certain way. 1312 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,240 You're going to dress a certain way you're going to go doesn't 1313 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:39,960 mean actually any of the particulars, but it means that 1314 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:44,880 there's there's a way that influences really what it comes 1315 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,800 out with is that the more. The. 1316 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,640 More meaningful, the more potent the choices. 1317 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,680 The more potent the Harris is, the more it's going to influence 1318 01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,880 every aspect of your life so you can make it right. 1319 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,040 That's the greater choice. The greater meaning of the 1320 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,440 choice is how many different parts of your life is it going 1321 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,320 to affect. And then I think it really comes 1322 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:16,880 out, which is why that Pesach is so focused on the, on the, and 1323 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,280 there's a lot of different examples of that, but 1324 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,320 specifically brought out, I think in the Corbin pass out 1325 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,800 that it has to be eaten with one group of people and it has to 1326 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,000 be, you know, you can't break any of the bones. 1327 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,120 The Mara talks a lot about this as well. 1328 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:32,320 But that the, the, the yefood Hashem means that there's a 1329 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,080 oneness in your life that when we say she might saw some 1330 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,120 looking at Shamahad, that means that there's no part of your 1331 01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,800 life that's not involved in that there's no part of your life 1332 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:40,880 that Hashem is not involved with. 1333 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,160 It's the way you go to sleep. It's the way you wake up, it's 1334 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,200 the way you talk, it's the way you think, it's the way you eat. 1335 01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,080 It's it's influencing every single aspect of every single 1336 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,240 second of every single day and only right. 1337 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,840 That's why it's the ultimate choice. 1338 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,960 That's why it's the real freedom, because it actually has 1339 01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:02,160 the capacity to make a choice so meaningful that no second of 1340 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,120 your life from that point on doesn't is not a reflection of 1341 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,080 it. It's interesting because. 1342 01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,680 The way I've thought about this, and maybe we're we're saying the 1343 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:12,880 same thing in different words. Maybe not. 1344 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,920 You can tell me if you how you see it, but I actually think 1345 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,680 that the the muscle to the, you know, the the extreme athletes 1346 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,400 of Ventura is actually a very, very good one. 1347 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,720 With the caveat that I think every Jew, because Monica has 1348 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,880 certain obligations and certain demands and requires a certain 1349 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,560 level of commitment that we expect of every single last 1350 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,000 farmer and garbage man electrician who's part of our 1351 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,320 nation. Then there's the concept of, you 1352 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,760 know, the Chevit levy his I don't calls it Nisa Olibo who he 1353 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,680 wants something more. He wants to be a big common 1354 01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,160 hobby. He's driven by that and he's 1355 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,080 going to put himself farther and farther and farther. 1356 01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,160 So I think it's like these two components where there is a 1357 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,600 certain level of commitment that we don't believe, as you 1358 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,280 correctly referenced before this American dream of like, I could 1359 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,000 do whatever I want and that's the life. 1360 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,080 Like we don't believe in that. Everyone has a certain baseline 1361 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,720 level of laws and obligations they're committed to. 1362 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,840 And then there are people who are going to want to do more and 1363 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,680 there is room for that, right? If you over regulated and over 1364 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,800 legalize it, then there's no room for that individual 1365 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,320 expression. And that's where the Harris 1366 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,280 comes in that you now there are there's a lot of different roles 1367 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,640 and call you strong and you have a choice to within the framework 1368 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,400 of halacha and the and the laws to push yourself in certain 1369 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,440 directions and be certain things right there. 1370 01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,280 There. There are certain things that 1371 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,760 are obligated with all the things that are obligated, 1372 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:26,080 right? You're in real estate and on 1373 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,880 marketing and those are both fine, right? 1374 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,280 There are people who learn more and learn less and live here and 1375 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,720 live there, so they have a lot of room for individuality and 1376 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,680 for heroes, but there's also boundaries and laws that govern 1377 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,560 all of us. That's sort of how I think about 1378 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,160 a general dynamic. Is that what you're driving it 1379 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,600 also, or are you thinking about it differently? 1380 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,080 I definitely think that that's the case. 1381 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,400 And I do think that even though we're looking at the same exact 1382 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,000 mitzvah, which would be something, let's say, you know, 1383 01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,920 to be one of the broader mitzvahs that that, you know, 1384 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,320 tend to be dovek to Hashem or something like that. 1385 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,040 It's so broad, even though we're both looking at the same exact 1386 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,880 thing, the way that it expresses itself is so radically different 1387 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:09,080 person to person because it's what it's what you can give, you 1388 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,400 know what I mean? And and So what you can give is 1389 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,360 not what he can give is not what I can give, is not what they can 1390 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:14,400 give is not what you know what I mean. 1391 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,240 So the way that it shows up, it's true that it was, it's not 1392 01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,160 about it's not about being hyper regulated. 1393 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,480 It's about being hyper conscious and that every second of your 1394 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,040 day is a second that you're paying attention. 1395 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,680 It doesn't mean that every second of the day I can point to 1396 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,000 the Shokanura and say, look, I'm being my kind that exact Alaqa 1397 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,400 in this very moment. It's the point of the day that 1398 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,920 every single reflection of what you do is saying, look, I was 1399 01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,400 that's why I love the idea of Alaqa because I was holy with 1400 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,480 Hashem through that exact thing. I was thinking about him the 1401 01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,120 whole time. It didn't it didn't leave my and 1402 01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,520 so when I think about him, when you think about him, whatever 1403 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,800 ever goes about in a different way and you know the different 1404 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,520 activities that are part of whatever it is. 1405 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:57,360 But I I don't think that the the guidelines albeit are supposed 1406 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,480 to affect every oz and every second of your life are 1407 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,320 necessarily so regimented as it might come off by the. 1408 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,880 Way I think so as an aside, you know, we're trying to do a short 1409 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,200 segment here. I think this is like a massive 1410 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,560 question that that permeates so much what we do, how we think 1411 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,080 about freedom, especially those of us who grow up in the the 1412 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,880 Western society influenced by American thinking. 1413 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,279 There are certainly good healthy overlaps are certainly dangerous 1414 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,800 diversions. So I think and then there are a 1415 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,880 lot, lots of things that sort of restrict our freedom and and and 1416 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,560 enhance our freedom. So I think this is like a a 1417 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,920 massive question that that that deserves a lot more than we're 1418 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,560 giving it. So any other final, final 1419 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,880 thoughts about the Sugya of Abdus and heiress and Abdus 1420 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,080 Hashem before we wrap up There's? 1421 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,040 One last one that I think touches on a little bit of the 1422 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,040 point that we were mentioning, which is that there is an 1423 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,640 aspect, right? Everything kind of that we've 1424 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:49,160 said is much more about the, the, the TAMID, right? 1425 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,279 The ability to do something consistency over a long period 1426 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:53,560 of time is what creates that freedom. 1427 01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,560 And there's a lot of truth to that, but there's also the 1428 01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,680 recognition that you're not bound by your past to produce 1429 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,279 your future. And I think that. 1430 01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:07,399 The way that it shows up is so. Cool in the. 1431 01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:12,439 Seder, because, and the Seder is trying to in many ways capture 1432 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,399 what the Corbin Pesach. You know what we don't have any 1433 01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:17,680 more with the Corbin Pesach. And what's crazy about the 1434 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,080 Corbin Pesach is that's one of the, I think there's only two 1435 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:25,399 carbonos that ever move the tummet, right? 1436 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,960 It brings it up a few hours to leave all the time to shut 1437 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,720 everybody's sheep. And I think that that's exactly 1438 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,479 why we're supposed to ask so many questions in the seder, 1439 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,040 because you're supposed to be paying attention. 1440 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,520 You're supposed to be you move the tummet, right? 1441 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,560 We move the thing that's normal, what's usually happening to keep 1442 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,200 yourself aware and keep yourself paying attention to what's going 1443 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,120 on. And I think that the way that 1444 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,399 that the questions that speak to me, the questions that stick out 1445 01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:53,920 to me, that's the direction that each person is supposed to go. 1446 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,400 And that's the part that's keeping everybody, you know what 1447 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,480 I mean, paying attention. And that the Harris is not, is 1448 01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:04,040 not just regimen and it's not just exactly, you know what I 1449 01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,440 mean, following the the guideline, something that you're 1450 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:09,520 always paying attention to. And ideally, the more you're 1451 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,320 paying attention, the more you realize that your regiment also 1452 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:13,800 even gets updated or you know what I mean? 1453 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,680 Like you add things to it because, oh, I did, I could do 1454 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:17,920 this better. I could do the better. 1455 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,000 I had AI had a something hit me that I realized there was an 1456 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,400 aspect of it that it wasn't even tapping into whatever it is. 1457 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:28,520 And so I also, I also really like that that's the one of the 1458 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,360 greatest expressions of Harris is being able to ask why? 1459 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,800 Because a slave doesn't have that and that hides. 1460 01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,880 Back to where you opened with or you opened with these monkey 1461 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,880 receiving this Mon and that always come and you have to 1462 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,120 constantly be revisiting. So you brought that all the way 1463 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,640 full circle. That's really interesting and 1464 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,200 thank you for sharing that. Zach, You also didn't mention in 1465 01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,080 your in your intro that you are creating a lot of content in a 1466 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,840 lot of different platforms and maybe just a brief link tree 1467 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,160 audio version of where people can find you and connect with 1468 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,920 you. I'm on. 1469 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,320 Instagram Zach under score in under score Israel. 1470 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,400 I put stuff up on YouTube. I have a podcast myself called 1471 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,000 the DHR podcast who I was lucky enough to host Yakovan trying to 1472 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,360 help people understand what's going on in different 1473 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,320 communities and really what their choices look like on the 1474 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,320 other side of the sea. And even if people are already 1475 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:16,680 here, just what else is out there? 1476 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,720 Because a lot of times people come to very safe hubs and so 1477 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,200 you want to maybe branch out a bit. 1478 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,720 So I try to go around interviewing people of different 1479 01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,320 communities, showing people what you know, what I mean, what 1480 01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,360 Ingles are doing out here. Yeah, I thought. 1481 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,520 I was like, I live in a cool place. 1482 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,520 Then you went to a Hilltop in the show and I'm like, oh, I got 1483 01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,080 nothing on that guy. He is playing a whole other. 1484 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,680 I don't know, honestly, I could imagine somebody doing it. 1485 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,080 The idea of taking your whole family out there is just so 1486 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,480 different from the life that I'm leaving. 1487 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:47,320 It's just so crazy, you know what I mean? 1488 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,840 To just be able to say like, yeah, tomorrow the government 1489 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,320 might come and pick up my house and take it. 1490 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,440 Crazy. But I, yeah, so I do that and 1491 01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,600 I'm putting out WhatsApp statuses all the time. 1492 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,000 And I like to just show people what's going on in Israel. 1493 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,520 Little bit of Torah, never go wrong with a little bit of Torah 1494 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:10,480 and and then apartments, real estate updates, insights, stuff 1495 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,120 like that. Awesome. 1496 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,280 Awesome. Zach Lennick, thank you for 1497 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,120 coming off to starting today and look forward to staying in 1498 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,240 touch. Thanks. 1499 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,120 So. Much Yakov. 1500 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,880 I had a real pleasure. We're joined. 1501 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,480 Now by my good friend Mark Tobin. 1502 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,280 Mark, welcome to starting. Thanks for joining us. 1503 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,640 Thank you for. Having me, Yakov. 1504 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,280 So just maybe a brief introduction to our listeners 1505 01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,080 about yourself, who you are, what you do, and then we'll get 1506 01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,640 into some Torah. Sure. 1507 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,240 My name is Mark Tobin. I made Alia almost 28 years ago 1508 01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,960 it'll be 28 years this summer I'm the father of four and all 1509 01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,520 four married children, the grandfather of five. 1510 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,080 I live in Bachemish, made Alia directly to Bachemish from Boca 1511 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:55,200 Raton, FL and I currently have two things that I do. 1 is I run 1512 01:12:55,200 --> 01:13:02,040 a company that I started in 2020 which which license intellectual 1513 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,360 property. And the other thing I do is I I 1514 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,360 I deal in the area of wealth management. 1515 01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,560 I manage a family office for a family here in Israel. 1516 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,480 Amazing. So we're coming up. 1517 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,720 Pasak is very much on the horizon, getting closer every 1518 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,760 minute. So maybe share with us some of 1519 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,240 your favorite ideas, the rhetora that you're thinking about as we 1520 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,840 approach the Seder, OK? Two of the the themes that I try 1521 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,440 to focus on on Pesa, especially the last few years are one is 1522 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,440 the the idea of Leila Seder being the Rosh Hashanah of 1523 01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,800 Emunah as the TiVo Chalon puts it. 1524 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,080 The, the idea of Itzi at Mitzrayim being this time of 1525 01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,320 incredible Amuna. And, and it's our ability to, to 1526 01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,400 take that amuna and bring us through the year, use the stator 1527 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,320 as a springboard to move forward. 1528 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:57,200 And we know that every day we have the mitzvah of zeitziat 1529 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,120 Mitzrayim. But there's a special thing 1530 01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,840 about the seder, about being with the family, about being all 1531 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,840 around the table. Especially I think that it falls 1532 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,720 into very much into the idea of you got to tell the BIMCA this 1533 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,200 idea that we're sitting around a table with our children, with 1534 01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,760 our grandchildren, and the idea that we are trying to 1535 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,040 incorporate the idea of a muna into our our children's lives 1536 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,520 and into our grandchildren's lives. 1537 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,600 You know, the one thing is we know that that we're told about 1538 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,280 the Seder. What if you tell more of the 1539 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,320 Seder, you tell more of the story, you're considered that 1540 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,880 you're doing a mitzvah better. I think it's the only mitzvah 1541 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,520 that it's like that. The more the better that we do 1542 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,880 that. And I think that especially when 1543 01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,800 you take into the Amuna component of it, the more a 1544 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,480 moment Amuna you could, you can, you can bring forth, the better 1545 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:47,320 you are in your life. So I think that that's a really 1546 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,960 interesting thing. Last year I learned a very 1547 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:55,000 interesting thing idea and I got it from a Haggadah that I that 1548 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,520 I, that I used from a Rabbi Gidon Weitzman, who's a student 1549 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,200 of our cook. And one of the ideas that I 1550 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,280 really like that he talked about was in the Arba Bunning, the 1551 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,160 four children, he groups them together in different groups. 1552 01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:10,600 He groups the the Tom and the hafam together. 1553 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,360 And he has a very interesting point. 1554 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,120 He says the first thing is in the in the Torah, the answer 1555 01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,920 that is given to the Tom appears in in safer Schmut. 1556 01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,360 And the answer that's given to the hafam is in safer Dvari. 1557 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:26,600 And he makes a very nice point that first, before we get into 1558 01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,360 being a hafam, we have to be a Tom. 1559 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,040 We have to be simple. We have to just ask the simple 1560 01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,640 question, what is this? What is this all about? 1561 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,520 And I think that very much ties into the idea of a muna. 1562 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,640 And muna has to be the basis of our life. 1563 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,840 If we don't have the muna, halakha doesn't have much much 1564 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,200 value to us. That if we have the basis in 1565 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,160 Amuna, the halakha flows and and we're able to really appreciate 1566 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,520 it. The other thing that I saw on 1567 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,880 the Arbabani is this idea about the hafam. 1568 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:59,640 How do we answer the hafam? So the Huckum's question is, ma 1569 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,400 who Omer Maha you do it for? Who came with Fatima, shared 1570 01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:08,800 Siva Hashem, the afata Amor locate Hilhota Pesa and we give 1571 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,320 him the answer. But he asked this question about 1572 01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,640 all the Hulkima and then Fatima, all the laws and all the 1573 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,440 statute. Everything he wants to know, he 1574 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:20,080 wants to know the hallaha fully. And we give him that answer. 1575 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,040 We answer him, we tell him everything about Hilhod Pesa. 1576 01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:28,720 We tell him all the laws, all the statutes, but it ends the 1577 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:33,160 end of the answer to the fathom is in Maftiri Maha Pesaf 1578 01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,160 afikomen. And the last thing that you 1579 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,680 should eat on the day at the seder is the afikomen. 1580 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:43,280 And so the question is why is that added in of all the, of all 1581 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,440 the things that we tell them, why do we have to highlight that 1582 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:49,400 particular engine? And I think it's a very nice 1583 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,320 point that made that I heard from a very good friend of mine, 1584 01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:58,800 Alan Jackowitz, He said we have to instruct him on the Tom of 1585 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,840 the pesa, which is the afikomen at the end of the seder, because 1586 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:08,200 we need tying this into a muna. The idea that you leave the 1587 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,240 Seder, you have to have the Tom. The time is not only the time of 1588 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,320 the Pesach, of the carbon Pesach, but the time of where 1589 01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,600 we're going. The time of the idea of the 1590 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,480 Pesach is to bring us closer to the Gula, right? 1591 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,760 The ultimate the Pesach will not be us sitting around our Seder 1592 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,160 tables in no fare Viv or in Brooklyn or wherever it is. 1593 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,360 It will be when we're sitting at the Beta Mcdash in our Kabura 1594 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,640 and we're eating the the carbon Pesach at the end of our Seder. 1595 01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:37,480 And I think that. That's a really important 1596 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:43,520 message that DRY halacha has, has a place, Halafa has a place, 1597 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,080 but in the end of the day, we have to give the final message. 1598 01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,520 The final message is you need the time, and that's the time of 1599 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,800 mitzvot. That's the time of yahadut. 1600 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,760 That's the time of a muna that's going to get us forward. 1601 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,640 And I think that that's an incredible, incredible way of 1602 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,360 looking forward. Also, I saw a really important 1603 01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:06,200 thing from Uri Shirky, who's a rub at Mahone Niya. 1604 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,720 And this really deals with the issue of how we look at 1605 01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,920 ourselves, right? The Rambam changes the gear set 1606 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:18,120 of Le wrote it's at SMO. You know, you should see 1607 01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,160 yourself as being part on the seder. 1608 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:23,400 And he says Lahar wrote you should experience. 1609 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,600 It's more of an experience. And Ravshirky says the following 1610 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,680 on the on the bracha in the in the Amida says with the Khazena 1611 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,400 and nabushuvhat, let's see on right. 1612 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:38,040 And maybe we hold, Maybe we behold. 1613 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,720 Your. Return and see the returns at 1614 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,400 Cione. Most people look at that as a as 1615 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,520 a future. We should see it in the future. 1616 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,560 But Shirky has an interesting insight and he says, no, it's 1617 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,760 not the future, it's right now. At each particular point, we 1618 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,840 need to see ourselves as the goola is unfolding. 1619 01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,760 And that I think is also the message of the seder that we 1620 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,680 have to give off, especially this year. 1621 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,880 This year when we see the open miracles that are happening in 1622 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,920 front of us, we're on the cusp of the goola. 1623 01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,200 And I think that's for this, this year, this Seder 2026, that 1624 01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,800 is I think the ultimate message that we want to be giving to our 1625 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,720 children, to our grandchildren and to ourselves that we have, 1626 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,160 we are living in miraculous times and we're living at a time 1627 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:26,160 when Bezrat Tashem next year, if not this year, we'll be sitting 1628 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,480 in Yerushalayim. We'll be getting our carbon 1629 01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:33,360 peso, hopefully not from Amazon, but from the fields of Beit 1630 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,920 Shemesh. And we'll be eating in the in 1631 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,040 the Beita Mcdash. That's my. 1632 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,760 Main I mean. It's a beautiful, beautiful 1633 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,080 idea. Then it's interesting how the, 1634 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,680 you know, you spoke about the, the simple questions being the 1635 01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,040 prerequisite, and you also spoke about having the children and 1636 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,760 giving them a MUNA. So students are very much 1637 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,440 connected, right? Having the kids around forces us 1638 01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:53,120 to deal with, you know, the, you know, the kids of that age 1639 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,920 always asking what's this, what's this, what's this, what's 1640 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,240 this? The very simple questions. 1641 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,640 But that's saying that we all need to be asking ourselves and 1642 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,280 re re examining, reimagining. And reconnecting to those very 1643 01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,600 basic fundamental principles as we March forward and strengthen 1644 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,160 our mood now hopefully as we continue to to March towards the 1645 01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,000 Gula. So Mark, thank you for these 1646 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,200 beautiful de Vitora and I look forward to staying in touch. 1647 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:13,400 OK. Thank you. 1648 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,880 We are. Now joined by Morty Goldenberg. 1649 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,000 Morty, welcome to Shark Tank. Thank you for joining us. 1650 01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,400 Thank you for having me. So before. 1651 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,000 We jump into some pace after Vitora. 1652 01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,720 Maybe just give a very brief, brief intro to yourself, what 1653 01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:26,600 you do professionally, some of the Torah you're learning and 1654 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:30,120 teaching in Boca Raton. My name is Morty Goldenberg. 1655 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,200 I'm originally from Staten Island, NY. 1656 01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,240 We've been in Boca Raton, FL for about 10 years. 1657 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:39,560 I am an orthodontist here in the community and Sheeran. 1658 01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,240 Thank God we're supposed to give a lot of Sheeran here in the in 1659 01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,040 Boca. We've been doing a Amid Shibui 1660 01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,440 and amid a week program for about 8-9 years and we've been 1661 01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:52,200 up to finish five miss sectors. We are now in our 6th miss 1662 01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:54,240 sectors. So it's an incredible testament 1663 01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,000 to the will of the Jewish people to do one on the week for 1664 01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:59,240 certain people who that's appropriate for and you can 1665 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,000 accomplish an incredible amount amazing it's. 1666 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:03,800 Beautiful. So let's talk some Torah, maybe 1667 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,400 share with us a favorite idea, an inspirational idea, something 1668 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,200 that you connect to very deeply about haga pasa habali new 1669 01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,920 latova. One of my favorite parts on the 1670 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:15,760 Haggadah is actually tucked away in the end of Rev Avram Shores 1671 01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,120 Hagada. And he quotes a beautiful idea. 1672 01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,360 You know, we go through this, this beautiful night of 1673 01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,680 inspiration of Emuna and Bhitakhon and Nisora talking to 1674 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,000 our children. And at the end of all of that, 1675 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,520 we end off with these like Children's Games, these like 1676 01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:32,960 echo Mio de who knows one I know one, we all love the songs, we 1677 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,400 all love the stories. But like, how is that the 1678 01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,440 pinnacle of where we're supposed to get to at the end of the 1679 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,320 Hagadah? So he starts off with an 1680 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,640 interesting point from his father, an interesting hara from 1681 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,920 his father of the Dali shore. And he says that someone once 1682 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,880 came up to him and said, you know, I don't understand the 1683 01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,640 Gemara. We we're supposed to wear 1684 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,520 taylas, right? And we're learning enough of us 1685 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,920 now we're supposed to learn wear taylas. 1686 01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:52,840 So we. See. 1687 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,960 Taylas, it's DOMA, Liam and the Kisi are covered and we think 1688 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,800 all these lofty sites he goes. I look at my sits as I don't 1689 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,720 really think of the kisi are covered when I look at them. 1690 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,200 I don't understand how I'm supposed to do that sort of. 1691 01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,160 Gadalia. Answered and he said, can I ask 1692 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:06,760 you a question? You know, the Gemara says that 1693 01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,560 you're not supposed to look at big dates of, on him, colored 1694 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,960 clothing, women's colored clothing, because it might lead 1695 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,840 to illicit thoughts, inappropriate thoughts. 1696 01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:16,560 Does that come on and make sense to you? 1697 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,720 And he goes, sure, yeah, when you see those clothing, that's 1698 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,000 what you think about. He says that's the problem. 1699 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,920 It's all about association. It's where your mind truly is. 1700 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,640 If your mind isn't goshmius, then those things are going to 1701 01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,200 lead off a trickle effect to where you're eventually going to 1702 01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,960 think of at the end of the line, he says. 1703 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,080 But if your mind is called Kulo Torah, you're thinking about a 1704 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,760 Kurdish baraku, then that's sight of blue. 1705 01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,920 All it's going to lead to is this trickle effect that's going 1706 01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:45,600 to lead to the Kisea covered. So what I'm sure explains from 1707 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,360 from Ivan Gorvitz, as he says at the end of this whole seder, 1708 01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,840 what we're trying to see is did the seder work? 1709 01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,880 Did this night of emunah have an impact on you? 1710 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,800 When I say the number one, do you think about 11 million? 1711 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,760 That's what I want to get to in revenue this year. 1712 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,840 When I say the number 3, 3. I want to. 1713 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,600 Have three locations for my business, so I could really do 1714 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:09,760 all those things that I want to do. 1715 01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,040 Or when I say the number one, do you think of that's a Venus 1716 01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,160 Shabbat Shamayan? When I say 3, does that make you 1717 01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,280 think of the oboes? It's like the religious Roar 1718 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,320 Shark Inkbot test. When you see. 1719 01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,360 This image, what does it make you think about what we're 1720 01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,400 trying to accomplish is to test us at the end of the seder after 1721 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,400 this incredible night to Venmuna be Tahoonen lofty de Freitura. 1722 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,920 When I say these things, where is your mind holding to me that 1723 01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,920 always spoke to me because again, we're living in a in a 1724 01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,600 world where we're called Shakua in the world of Gashmi surround 1725 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,560 us. But we have to carve out these 1726 01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,160 little areas of life where our mind is really free to express 1727 01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,080 itself. And we're we're we're, we're, 1728 01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,880 we're able to change our thoughts and to think about 1729 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,240 things on a more lofty and higher plane. 1730 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,000 That's a beautiful. Idea, maybe just one or two 1731 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,200 follow up questions. You know, you're out there 1732 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,120 running your, you know, being orthodontist, helping people. 1733 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,960 I don't know if you run your own practice, your personal 1734 01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,960 practice, but you know, it's one thing to sit Seder night. 1735 01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,520 After a few hours. Without your phone and to get to 1736 01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,760 that point of association and a MUNA. 1737 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,000 But you know, how do we take that after Pesach beyond when 1738 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,320 we're actually going back to the office, back into business and 1739 01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,440 actually build foundations? Is it about having such a high 1740 01:24:20,440 --> 01:24:24,600 experience that there's enough residue to take us into the 1741 01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,240 months follow or is is there a specific skill into applying it 1742 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,320 when we're actually, you know, when the rubber hit the road? 1743 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,000 So I think. Robbie Goldberg always says he 1744 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,200 quotes from a famous podcaster. I don't remember the name 1745 01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,320 offhand, but he says that we tend to think of greatness as a 1746 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,800 destination, but it's not. It's a verb. 1747 01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,640 It's made out of small little moments in time that you decide 1748 01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,400 to become great in the moment. And I think what he always talks 1749 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,320 about and what we learned in this farm is that like, you 1750 01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,240 can't have lofty ideas just sitting up there. 1751 01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,480 It's got to become concretized. So to me, it's the idea of these 1752 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,000 moments of inspiration throughout the month, throughout 1753 01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,960 the year. We take them and even if it's 1754 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,520 only for a short time, to make a plan, to create a system of what 1755 01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,320 is my plan over the next month? Even if it doesn't last longer 1756 01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,800 than that, How am I going to carve away on a Monday night? 1757 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,560 I'm going to Start learning from 8:00 to 8:30, but Kavua, every 1758 01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,480 Monday night, 8 to 830, learn something. 1759 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,440 Or I'm going to call up a friend that I haven't spoke to in a 1760 01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,440 long time and ask him if he wants to learn on the phone with 1761 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,200 me. So to me, I think the greatest 1762 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,320 inspiration we can get is by really concretizing that into 1763 01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:30,720 solid and and relatable actions that you can accomplish and do 1764 01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,280 that right afterwards. And again, even if it doesn't 1765 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,320 last for so long, but at least it'll take you the month and 1766 01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,080 when that month is gone, figure out. 1767 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:37,720 Another. Plan. 1768 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:38,760 Think out. Something else? 1769 01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:41,920 OK, Morty Goldenberg, this is a very special. 1770 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,760 I appreciate you coming on and sharing some great with our 1771 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,920 professor. Wishing you and your family, 1772 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:52,000 your community, you as. Well, all the best joining us 1773 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,240 now. My good friend, you all about 1774 01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,200 myself, you all welcome. Thank you for joining us. 1775 01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,440 Nice to be here, so maybe just tell. 1776 01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:00,440 Us briefly about yourself, what you professionally, some of the 1777 01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:01,480 learning that you're involved in. 1778 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,200 Sure. So I live in London, born and 1779 01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,000 grew up in London. I know you after from my years 1780 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:13,040 in Karen Biovner. Now back in London. 1781 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,960 I'm married with three kids and I work at PwC. 1782 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,040 I'm in a corporate tax team and I've tried to keep learning 1783 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,760 since Yeshiva. Some in the morning and some in 1784 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,680 the evening. In the evening base mostly. 1785 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,000 Unfortunately I've lost lost my harvest of my brother who I've 1786 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,000 lived with for a few years. We've just got married so I'm in 1787 01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,440 the on the hunt for a new harvester or Hashem. 1788 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:36,880 The evening base is a really good place to land. 1789 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,040 OK, so. As we get ready for Pasatiya, 1790 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,080 what do you want to share with us? 1791 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:42,680 OK, so. I found a fascinating medres 1792 01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,560 which really I think touched the calls with me as a an 1793 01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,440 accountant. Well, at least I qualify as an 1794 01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:51,160 accountant. And so I wanted to share this 1795 01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:55,160 medres but also maybe tie in and make it relevant for for 1796 01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,040 specifically for peso and the seda. 1797 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,040 So as we set the Seda and worked through the Hydra, I think 1798 01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,880 sometimes it's helpful to take a step back and reflect on where 1799 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,880 are we going? We say in the Khoda, you say 1800 01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,480 sophomas and Marshall. It's to know where you're going 1801 01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:15,480 in order that you have. It doesn't really necessarily 1802 01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:17,200 matter which way you get to there. 1803 01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,440 There can be multiple pass to your goal, but you need to be 1804 01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:23,840 clear on your goal and where are we trying to get to? 1805 01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,040 So Dagoda takes us on a journey, right? 1806 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,600 The the the resonance to talk about. 1807 01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,720 I have column notice I start smoking. 1808 01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,160 He'll he'll be awesome and it's time you're a journey through 1809 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,600 the story. But we're trying to get 1810 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,440 somewhere and I think there's two places in the Hagadah which 1811 01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:43,480 really bring out where where we're going. 1812 01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,960 At the end of the Hagadah, we say everyone will sing the 1813 01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:53,040 shaman Ababi or Shalaim. And I think that not just an 1814 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,760 afterthought or something that we think about the end, but 1815 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,640 really that's the the point of our God or the aim. 1816 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,440 We're we're aiming, we're aiming for your Shaline. 1817 01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:04,200 We're aiming for the base stomach dosh. 1818 01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,960 And I think the other place that you see this clearly is in, in 1819 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,120 Diano. So we're going through step by 1820 01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,240 step the the the hustled and the kindnesses our first worker did 1821 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,760 for us and the journey of Beninstra from it's Trium. 1822 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,720 But it doesn't end when they get the time. 1823 01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,320 It's Trium. It doesn't end at Hassini. 1824 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,000 The last line is the one of on earth base of Africa. 1825 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,760 We get to Shalaim and build the base. 1826 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,600 I mean, Josh, in fact, we don't. That's not really part of the 1827 01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,440 story at all. But nevertheless, that's the the 1828 01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,760 end goal. That's the last acts of festival 1829 01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,080 hospital does for us. And I think it's important to 1830 01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,840 think about this that the drill is not just about leaving 1831 01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:42,720 slavery. It's not just about coming out 1832 01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,080 and it's trying, but we're trying to get somewhere. 1833 01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,840 And the place that I've seen this recently and really also 1834 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,720 brings us home is their their own barn inside in US is 1835 01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,480 famously inside. Thomas Safer Schmers talks about 1836 01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:59,720 why Safer Schmers doesn't just end when they come on Mitzrayim 1837 01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,440 or even with Matanzoa. But actually it keeps growing 1838 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,080 all the way through the Mishkron. 1839 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:09,440 And he says this similar idea that for the veneer's trial, our 1840 01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:14,560 purpose is to be a Merkova for a psychological presence in the 1841 01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,520 world. And OK, we don't go all the way 1842 01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,880 to Australia and say for Schmertz, but at least that the, 1843 01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,920 the intermediate stop is the Mishkron where we're able to 1844 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,600 have a college Welker's presence amongst us. 1845 01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,920 And then we can have safer by April, which is about the 1846 01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:33,200 Mishkan and and super when we we're joining church's role, 1847 01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,880 which is to embed that even more permanently. 1848 01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,520 But ultimately the purpose for us as a people, a Jewish people, 1849 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:48,880 is is to Polish Baka's presence amongst us constantly, 1850 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,640 permanently, wherever, wherever we are, and particularly in a in 1851 01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,760 a permanent homeland there. So, so now I'm going to turn to 1852 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,080 that medrish and and bring it in. 1853 01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,440 So actually on on this very similar theme. 1854 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,720 This is the last medrish Raba in Safish moths. 1855 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,840 So literally right at the end, the last few, the last piece 1856 01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,520 looking at talking, commenting on the Posuk. 1857 01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,760 When? Akashwalkosh Shinod comes down 1858 01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:18,520 into the Mishkan and I'm going to read through just some of the 1859 01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:21,360 relevant, relevant comments of the the medrish. 1860 01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,840 So the Med just brings deposit from Shashim, which says say NRN 1861 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:31,120 A Benosi and Amela Shlomo. So go out and and see, I know 1862 01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:35,840 Shlomo Bartolo IMO biem hassanosso biem SIM Plaslibo. 1863 01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:40,120 So literally the the crown is malady of him on his wedding day 1864 01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,440 and Byung SIM Chaslibo day that he has Simcha. 1865 01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,040 So the Med just gives a few different shots in what's 1866 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,120 referred to Bien Hastenoso, Bien SEM Hastenoso, and I'm going to 1867 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,200 bring two of them. So the first one is Bien 1868 01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:55,520 Hastenoso is the Sinai. So it's referring to Claudius 1869 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,640 Troll, and has seen as compared to a wedding between Habboschbok 1870 01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,880 and Claudius Troll. And then Biemsen Hastlibo is 1871 01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,680 Bieu Shalaim. So again, you have this dynamic 1872 01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:10,600 of the initial interaction, your moment of inspiration, the 1873 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,640 Biemsen Haslibo. The real similar comes over time 1874 01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:20,680 when you when you settle down and and you make it, make 1875 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,720 something permanent. And the second interpretation, 1876 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,800 the majorship is, is actually the same idea. 1877 01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,120 Dovasa BM Classonosa is by Mishkan, the VM SIM class Libo 1878 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,800 is the BIS Amidosh. So the same dynamic you have 1879 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,080 that initial moment of inspiration. 1880 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:38,200 The mission was temporary 40 years, but then you know SIM 1881 01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,000 class Libo is that permanent relationship of the BIS Amidosh 1882 01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,760 and. Through this measure. 1883 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:50,400 She Ushalaim is referred to as Simchas Libo and the measures 1884 01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,120 carries on and says another posit about Ushalaim. 1885 01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,680 It says Ushalim is referred to as Euphaineau from the sauce 1886 01:31:55,680 --> 01:32:00,480 colorets lens of that posit is Howard CEO in the art of seed 1887 01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,720 software and Curiosmela Korovs Ushalim is referred to as 1888 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,440 masseuse colorets. This idea of Simcha, which I 1889 01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:09,760 think then comes back to really relevantly for, for the Shalas 1890 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,800 Rodolim in the midst of Simcha. But Simcha is, it's not just a 1891 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,200 moment of inspiration, but it's really embedding a deep 1892 01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,920 relationship not with Akash Bahu. 1893 01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:23,080 And, and, and that's part of that was having your Shalayam as 1894 01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,360 a permanent home. And this is where the, the 1895 01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,560 accounting measures comes in, because it, the, the measures 1896 01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,880 then brings a memory of Rabbiophenon. 1897 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:36,160 And he said, so after, after work out, it's actually what 1898 01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:38,600 this the measures means. But he says cheer partial hash 1899 01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,800 Buenos hoista huts new Shalayam. I think something there was an 1900 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,440 accounting office booth somewhere where the the traders 1901 01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:53,040 could go the homie Shemavakis the hash shave when they wanted 1902 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,600 to to to do their accounts an audit. 1903 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,800 Holy Flashon they have they should go there. 1904 01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,280 Llama. Why should a yacht shove you 1905 01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:05,360 Shalayim V8 star They shouldn't have the annual audit. 1906 01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:08,080 They shouldn't rate that the profit and loss accounts. 1907 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,080 I think shot is that then not just stomach counting is 1908 01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:16,960 painful, but potentially the traders would make a loss and 1909 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,840 then they'd get distressed and then there just says Lafician 1910 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,560 nitrates, masseuse cholera. It's your Shalaim has this 1911 01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:29,240 definition as as the moccan of Simcha and it's not just a point 1912 01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,280 in time. It shouldn't be something that's 1913 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,240 temporary. This was an embedded definition 1914 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:38,600 for your Shalaim and the way you should envision yourself 1915 01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,280 whenever you're in your Shalaim. Therefore, moments of distress. 1916 01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,680 If you're potentially going to come into a moment of distress 1917 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,800 or moment of negativity, you should try and take that outside 1918 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,040 your Shalaim. So now all for the accountants 1919 01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,160 who currently watch in your Shalaim. 1920 01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,240 I'm not commenting, but I think this idea is really powerful and 1921 01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,720 just thinking about the nature of Shalaim from a theoretical 1922 01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,840 perspective and what it's supposed to represent in their 1923 01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,800 comment on on those officers in your Shalaim and all your other 1924 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,120 your other desk previously. But I think this really helps 1925 01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:08,640 you Shalaim and what we're looking for and what we're 1926 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:14,360 aiming for through the on turf. And I I think just when we talk 1927 01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,120 about your shall I maybe should take this idea of my social art 1928 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:22,040 and and embed it even farther and maybe a step deeper in that 1929 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,480 a number of my abdomen Yeshiva will often talk about your 1930 01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,720 Shalaim and how it's got its name. 1931 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,960 How do we how where's the name come from? 1932 01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,960 So this might be more well known but the two different episodes 1933 01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:39,080 in safer bracious and Navrom and Al Qaeda again in Hamario pulls 1934 01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,120 the site Hashemiyura Hashemiyuraya and the place 1935 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,520 where experienced Hashem. It was invisible Hashem but also 1936 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,400 a mockrim of era. So they have this idea of 1937 01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:55,760 presence of and era and then also martyid Sedek came out to 1938 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:01,720 green avrom the food after the the war with the the Fort James. 1939 01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:03,560 His market said that my like Shaolin. 1940 01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,480 So shrine has this fusion of Hashem's presence. 1941 01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:13,720 Yura Yuraya also a year Yura sashem as the highest level of 1942 01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:15,840 Yura. And then Shaolin you have your 1943 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,240 Schleim Shamnat. So you have your Schleim 1944 01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,320 Shamnat. So it's the place where we 1945 01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,480 interact like the presence is there. 1946 01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,640 It's the continuation of the Mishkan into this I made dosh. 1947 01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,360 Also this idea of Shamus. You have this idea of the 1948 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:35,800 ultimate place of Harshbuckle's presence in the wild that fuses 1949 01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:40,440 the physical with the spiritual. So maybe if you can bring 1950 01:35:40,440 --> 01:35:43,280 accounting, then you can give it a divine purpose. 1951 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:48,160 You can you, you, you have a career where you're constantly 1952 01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:49,480 able to see how Harshbuckle's presence. 1953 01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:54,120 Then maybe there's a a way of, of having your career within 1954 01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:57,640 your slime as well. So I think your slime as the 1955 01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:02,200 pinnacle of the Hadrador and and the peso story, clearly you have 1956 01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,760 to go through that journey. You have to go into Mitzrayim, 1957 01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:05,920 you have to come out of Mitzrayim. 1958 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:09,160 But I think the idea that I wanted to bring out is always to 1959 01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,960 have that context, always to have that goal in mind that 1960 01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:17,200 you're aiming for Irshalayim. We're aiming for lives which are 1961 01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:22,280 fused with the spiritual within the physical presence wherever 1962 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,400 you go, which should be that Merkova on the chariot by 1963 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,760 political presence. Even for those of us who's still 1964 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,480 living in Cos Laureate, that's also possible even if we're not 1965 01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:34,000 living in the. And so when we reach that point 1966 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,120 of obviously we want it to be literally, we want it without 1967 01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,560 them, that the Gulo will come soon. 1968 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,880 I think I'll just finish off with that, the end of this 1969 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:50,000 medrush, which says Mishekhorva when Yoshin was destroyed, Orva, 1970 01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:54,520 that that element of Schleim was initially lost or exiled. 1971 01:36:54,520 --> 01:37:00,800 So it's spread out in the world. But Shayevna will bring, will 1972 01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,240 build Yoshilai and again the master, the sofas will bring 1973 01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:14,680 that all back again. That's what we're aiming for the 1974 01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,040 one that get on to then you have sources in the simpler toys of 1975 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,000 the folds in raw as part of and you'll have some we'll have 1976 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:23,520 solitaire. I'm back my Leonard. 1977 01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,320 I'll back you should I'm here be a minor. 1978 01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,200 Mean, I mean it's. A fascinating idea that connects 1979 01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,840 to a number of sort of themes that I think about a lot #1 is, 1980 01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,320 you know, we think about Simca. So a lot of association with 1981 01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,720 some color people will think, you know, in some color of us 1982 01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,360 are behind and they'll think about their Sue does. 1983 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,840 But what that really, you know, originally means and and where 1984 01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,760 salvation talks about this that you know, the true simplest, the 1985 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,400 Samaka financial to be in the Masonic touch with the real 1986 01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:47,920 carbonos than the than the sakam. 1987 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:50,600 That's the the true form of ultimate form of Simcha, as 1988 01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:54,160 you're alluding to, And also the you know, this year, especially 1989 01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:57,080 I I don't, I don't enjoy being the triumphal and type. 1990 01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,640 To stick. It to, you know, brothers and 1991 01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,200 Clarets, but there are certainly people who who try to have their 1992 01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,440 cake and eat it too by living at Clarets and coming to artists 1993 01:38:04,440 --> 01:38:06,920 all come to shine for their Gollum and years like this. 1994 01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,400 It definitely makes you think about the the that dynamic and 1995 01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,680 and, you know, appreciate those who are actually in your shine 1996 01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:16,320 full time and they're not the ones who are who are who need to 1997 01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:21,280 rely on who need to rely on various geopolitical turns 1998 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,520 events in order to actually do that. 1999 01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:23,920 So thank you for that. Y'all. 2000 01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:28,000 Thank you for taking the time on this a busy Arab hug season and 2001 01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:30,880 appreciate you know your friendship and your and your 2002 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,800 being a role model for me for many many years and look forward 2003 01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,920 to staying in touch. My pleasure and I will continue 2004 01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,640 to listen, obviously. Thank. 2005 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,840 You and. As we're getting ready for PESA, 2006 01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,040 we're getting ready to step into Yatsiyami Taim, to relive 2007 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,600 Yatsiyami Taim not just as a story we tell, but as something 2008 01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,560 that we're meant to actually experience. 2009 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:54,800 We pause the regular parasha cycle because the focus becomes 2010 01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,000 the story and retelling of the story of Itsami. 2011 01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,040 Time, where we came from, what it means to leave, and what 2012 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:02,480 freedom is supposed to look like. 2013 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,160 To help us think about that, we're joined this week by Yaakov 2014 01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:11,200 Wolf, who is who lives in Israel in the Negev and is the host of 2015 01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,440 Stark Tank, an amazing podcast that I recommend for everyone to 2016 01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:16,680 listen to. We're going to link you here who 2017 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:19,920 has some ideas, but you tell me time, money and dignity that 2018 01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,320 we're really excited to discuss. NACO, thank you so much for 2019 01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,680 joining us this week. It's a great pleasure to be 2020 01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,040 here. I recently discovered this 2021 01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,120 podcast and I was so excited. It's really amazing what you 2022 01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,880 guys are doing and the using the podcast platform to bring in 2023 01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,640 people from around the world to learn to our together is 2024 01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,280 amazing. So thank you for inviting me. 2025 01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,400 Thank you so much. I'd love to get right into it. 2026 01:39:38,440 --> 01:39:40,280 What are your thoughts? And you see how much time and 2027 01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,200 how we can bring this to our everyday lives? 2028 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,200 Yeah. So it's really just a couple 2029 01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,400 words in the Hagadashal pest off, but when you think about 2030 01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,160 them, there's some a lot to to talk about, which is that when 2031 01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,920 Akashboro, who tells Avraham ahead of time that there's going 2032 01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,680 to be a Shibuti mitraim and also a gula, he says they're going to 2033 01:39:56,680 --> 01:40:00,440 go down, they're going to come out and they're going to come 2034 01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,720 out. 2 words were Hushka doll and you know one element of the 2035 01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,600 story, the many layers to the past off story. 2036 01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,480 The fact is that they took with them silver and gold and other 2037 01:40:09,480 --> 01:40:12,760 things from from the Egyptians. And so OK, it's just one detail, 2038 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:16,360 but when you think about it, this is there are two suck him 2039 01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,680 the where our cars bro who describes the whole story to 2040 01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:20,920 Avril Mavino and he doesn't go into that many details. 2041 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:22,880 He doesn't talk about which Mako they're going to be. 2042 01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,080 He doesn't talk about mom and her Sinai or create the arms. 2043 01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,640 He doesn't go into detail anything except for this a quick 2044 01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,280 and YouTube Huska doll. They're going to go out and 2045 01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,560 they're going to be taking a lot of silver and gold with them. 2046 01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:34,920 And so that, you know, there's a little puzzling. 2047 01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:37,720 Why, why would that detail be highlighted top from if you 2048 01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,080 knew? Why is that an important part of 2049 01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,200 the story that that bears mentioning versus all of the 2050 01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:42,880 other details? So I have some ideas. 2051 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,160 I'm going to show them in the moment. 2052 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,280 I'm just curious off the bat, you guys, do you have you 2053 01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:48,520 thought about this? Do you know when you think about 2054 01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,840 the the the Huska doll that came out, why you think it's 2055 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:53,080 important? I'm happy to hear if you guys 2056 01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,920 have any first takes before I before I jump in. 2057 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,800 So I think it's something very much, I think it was very much 2058 01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,840 about Rene Serial's dignity here, where they've been slaves 2059 01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,320 and they're working for these people and for Hashem. 2060 01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,880 If they needed to leave in a place where they felt empowered, 2061 01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,440 where they felt that they were able to not take revenge 2062 01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:11,360 necessarily, but able to leave from a positive place. 2063 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,920 And being able to go from, you know, the slaves to the people 2064 01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,480 who are leaving with all of their captures, rehash and all 2065 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,720 the money that they have, I think really was able brought 2066 01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,200 them to a place where now they were able to really see God in 2067 01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:28,000 the midbad and and go forward and get out of a mentality of 2068 01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:28,960 slavery. I don't know. 2069 01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,640 I'm not. So sure, my first thought was 2070 01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:34,080 maybe that Fatim and this whole army said I'll becoming a 2071 01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:38,760 nation, like to be a nation that's going to be an order that 2072 01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,520 going and have a standing in the world. 2073 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,840 You need to have what have the means to be able to do so. 2074 01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,600 So that was my first impression of this. 2075 01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,320 Like it kind of goes with getting the land. 2076 01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,600 Once you get the land, you also have to have like financial 2077 01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,760 means to be able to do stuff, but I'm not really sure. 2078 01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,760 So it's actually fascinating that you guys said that because 2079 01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,000 we've cooked in his commentary to Brahot. 2080 01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,640 So I'm Brahot and Daftet. There's a very interesting 2081 01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:02,240 Gamara. There are a few sort of 2082 01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,600 commentaries or or subtext to the story that I brought there, 2083 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,320 and it's very interesting. It seems to indicate there that, 2084 01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,160 you know, the Jews didn't really want the gold so much a cutters 2085 01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,480 borough who told Moshe go tell them, even though they just want 2086 01:42:13,480 --> 01:42:15,160 to get out and they want to forget out everything that just 2087 01:42:15,160 --> 01:42:17,000 happened. I had a promise to averma Vino 2088 01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,160 and I'm going to keep it and you guys have to go and, and help me 2089 01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,920 fulfill that promise. And Vera Cook says something and 2090 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:24,960 he basically of didn't totally understand, but he basically 2091 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,480 brings the two points that you guys just brought. 2092 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,360 And I, I I'm not really sure how he puts them together because he 2093 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,600 sort of out, he like toggles back and forth between them. 2094 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,680 We're not going to read things inside today, but he basically 2095 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,720 brings the two points that you guys said #1 As Rayon correctly 2096 01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:39,440 pointed out, part of human dignity is to understand what 2097 01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:44,120 property is, what money is to, you know, part of the the way of 2098 01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:46,400 cutters brothel set up the world is that we have certain desires 2099 01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,160 and those desires drive us to certain important things like 2100 01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:50,880 that have families to have property. 2101 01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:54,960 Those desires can certainly be misused, but they are we can't 2102 01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,200 say well, because it's dangerous and there could be bad things. 2103 01:42:58,200 --> 01:42:59,760 We're not going to we're not going to do it at all. 2104 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:03,280 So it's certainly important to understand that dynamic to 2105 01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,800 appreciate the role of money and, and, and its role in human 2106 01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,560 dignity. And that was sort of part one 2107 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,960 that we've cooked points out in, in Ayaan Brockholt and Duft 2108 01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,240 Tech. But the other thing he points 2109 01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,400 out, and this brings us to Emma's point. 2110 01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,400 And maybe it's like a half a step back. 2111 01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,400 You know, the turret tells us a number of times that Ivor Mavino 2112 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,440 was very rich. He had to connect a doll. 2113 01:43:20,440 --> 01:43:22,200 He had a lot of a lot of property going on. 2114 01:43:22,440 --> 01:43:24,760 And why was that important? Wasn't he a holy Sonic who is 2115 01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:28,320 hoping, who is only focused on on Ruchnio and spirituality? 2116 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,400 So the truth is that we know that Avraminu had basically was 2117 01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,800 Aceo of a large Cusset empire. There were soup kitchens, there 2118 01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,680 were hostels, there were all these things going on. 2119 01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:39,560 And in order to be CEO of a large empire, you need to have 2120 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,160 ACFO. You need to have a bank account. 2121 01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,960 You to understand how everything is is, is being financed and 2122 01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:46,840 being and and being powered in order to be able to do the 2123 01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,240 Cusset And then the Cusset, which obviously in Avram's case 2124 01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:51,800 was also a key reminded and bring people closer to 2125 01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,800 Akhileshbar, who so we know that's true, but our cook takes 2126 01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:58,160 it a step further to Emma's point, which is that Ivan was 2127 01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:02,120 not just an individual. He was a a pre foreshadowing of 2128 01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,320 a national identity. And so if it's just one person, 2129 01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:07,080 okay, maybe a person has a little more money, a little less 2130 01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:08,960 money. That's that's already not such a 2131 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:10,880 big deal. But if you have a nation, the 2132 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,520 nation is critical that a nation has national infrastructure and 2133 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:17,160 is able to support itself into and to be a, an entity that that 2134 01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:18,760 wields power. And it's very interesting. 2135 01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:20,240 I actually was thinking about this a little bit. 2136 01:44:20,520 --> 01:44:23,200 You know, Israel is known in many circles as a startup nation 2137 01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,440 and there's all this high tech and there's all this great, you 2138 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,360 know, innovation going on in Tel Aviv and it's all all amazing. 2139 01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:30,360 Fine. So I actually on my podcast, I 2140 01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:32,880 got a chance to interview Moise Navone, who is one of the 2141 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,440 founding engineers of Mobileye. The, the, the self driving or 2142 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:40,640 the, the, the, the, the car automation technology company, 2143 01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:42,600 how you call it? A very well known company, very 2144 01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,560 successful company. And I asked him this question. 2145 01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:48,200 He's also has Sumika and he teaches a lot of Torah and he's 2146 01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:50,480 a big Tommy Kakkam. So I asked him, you know, Israel 2147 01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,400 is known as a startup nation. That's, that's nice. 2148 01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,080 But like, is that really what it's all about? 2149 01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,960 Is that why Cutter Bra, who chose our CNA to become the 2150 01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,240 startup nation? We're supposed to be the nation 2151 01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:01,280 of ethics and of values and of morality and, and more. 2152 01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:03,920 He's in addition to being a Robin Tommy Kakkam, he also 2153 01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:07,920 applies all of his different knowledge bases in order to be a 2154 01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:11,520 leader in AI ethics discussions. And he testifies in the Knesset. 2155 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:13,760 So, you know, thinking about the relationship between the ethics 2156 01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,680 discussion and the innovation discussion, I asked him, you 2157 01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:18,520 know, which one's more important to us as a nation? 2158 01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,360 Obviously the morality and the ethics and why are people so 2159 01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,520 excited and obsessed over the technology part of it? 2160 01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,000 And he basically answered along the same lines that we're 2161 01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:28,560 saying. He said, you know, if we were 2162 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,320 just this never country poor, no technology, nothing to offer 2163 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,840 other people and we stand up to the world and say we have ethics 2164 01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:38,080 and we have morals and we're going to help the world through 2165 01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,080 this tricky age of AI. No one would listen and no one 2166 01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:44,160 would care. Because we have the prowess and 2167 01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,360 the technology and the the seat of the table that the the sort 2168 01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,320 of the physical innovation, the non spiritual innovation that we 2169 01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,120 have that allows us to then use that. 2170 01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,640 Platform. To be a voice ethics and 2171 01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:56,880 morality. So I think all those things come 2172 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,720 together that the money and the rahuska Dal that Benesch all 2173 01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,960 took out was part of a their individual dignities as humans 2174 01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,680 coming out of slavery to freedom, but also a 2175 01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:09,720 foreshadowing of their national identity that needs power, that 2176 01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:11,280 needs relevance. These are all things that are 2177 01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:14,280 cooked sort of bundles together in his parish on in a on Brahos 2178 01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:15,760 and daft tech. That was sort of the first year 2179 01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,800 that I wanted to discuss with you guys and so. 2180 01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:21,040 Very much you see this here as this just being the way the 2181 01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:24,720 Benesch Sido could move forward, but isn't Isn't it possible that 2182 01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:26,520 they were able to get there without this? 2183 01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,200 They're like, why weren't the Makot and you tell me tonight, 2184 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,080 I'm sure why wasn't that enough? Why they also need this 2185 01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:34,720 additional push. So I think as. 2186 01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,840 You, I think you're alluding to the question is that the Makot 2187 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,240 and all those things were part of the spiritual level and the 2188 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,040 spiritual foundations of Amitri. And those are certainly the most 2189 01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,040 important. But there are, as we are talking 2190 01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,520 about, there are other aspects that we also have to keep in 2191 01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,440 mind, which is the, you know, the full person. 2192 01:46:48,440 --> 01:46:51,440 And we say that, you know, Lola Adam, Erasia Mayan, there has to 2193 01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:54,640 be an Adam who's Erasia Mayim and the Erasia Mayim part is 2194 01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:56,920 when we see these amazing miracles and receive the Torah 2195 01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,760 and the values and the, and the, and Muna and the faith that we 2196 01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:01,720 received on that night. But there's also the Adam 2197 01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,800 passage of it and we know that a slave who is being, you know, 2198 01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,280 tortured and that doesn't have his own dignity and doesn't have 2199 01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,640 his own decision making process, he's not really a person. 2200 01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,360 So you have to be an Adam. And also at Eurasia Mine really 2201 01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,240 beautiful. Point, thank you so much for 2202 01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:18,560 sharing that and I'm curious, bringing it back to us a little 2203 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,120 bit. I know you spoke about, you 2204 01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,160 know, what that means for us today on a national level. 2205 01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:24,640 What does this mean for us on a personal level? 2206 01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:27,840 Like what does it mean for us to be, you know, stuck in its yummy 2207 01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,000 time today? What does it mean for our 2208 01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:33,200 personal, you know, money and dignity to be able to pull us 2209 01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,120 out, right? Like on a national level, that's 2210 01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,800 phenomenal. But how do we bring that to our 2211 01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,560 personal lives every day? Right, It's interesting because 2212 01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:43,920 especially, you know, today we have overall amazing wealth in 2213 01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:46,520 our communities and it's a great bracha from a cutters bar who So 2214 01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,720 it's not just the fact that we have a nation and we have to be 2215 01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,320 responsible as a nation to, to, to do a lot of things. 2216 01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,720 And we need the money too, but also individuals, many people 2217 01:47:53,720 --> 01:47:55,680 have been blessed with with this tremendous wealth. 2218 01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,480 And that wealth, you know, leads us to responsibility. 2219 01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,920 And it also has this dangers. And there are people who are 2220 01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,200 addicted to money, the people who are addicted to gambling, 2221 01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,200 which just has to do with addiction to money. 2222 01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,760 So it's certainly something that we have to be very weary of that 2223 01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,320 the the blessings of wealth are amazing and their potential. 2224 01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:13,880 And a person can do such wonderful things and a person 2225 01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:16,240 can also do such terrible things when they're so obsessed with 2226 01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:17,960 their money. I'll just point out, you know, I 2227 01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,280 when I started in yeshiva, I learned the misate Shireen and 2228 01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:25,200 he says there a para K based on the mission of Para Kiabos, that 2229 01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,280 a person should really try to work minimally and and gain 2230 01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,440 whatever, you know, earn whatever minimal earnings he can 2231 01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,640 to sustain himself. And then he should use all the 2232 01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:36,000 leftover time and energy for Torah and for mitzvos, which is 2233 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,160 a an interesting idea. But there's actually a mission 2234 01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,400 of Brewer in HUD Bay's. I don't remember the exact same 2235 01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,560 and it might be around the race. I'm sorry, I don't have it in 2236 01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:46,640 front of me right now. It's after he'll hold Minka and 2237 01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:48,600 he says says everything should be the shame shamayim. 2238 01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:51,480 And he says even a rich person who has all the money that he 2239 01:48:51,480 --> 01:48:54,480 needs, but he wants to do more business in order to give more 2240 01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:56,280 stock up. He wants to do more business to 2241 01:48:56,280 --> 01:48:58,240 create more jobs and employment for other people. 2242 01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:00,640 So he's myself shame shamayim and that is certainly something 2243 01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:03,720 which is kosher and normal. So it's not just about making 2244 01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:06,680 enough money just to get by. If a person has the ability to 2245 01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:09,840 use money wisely and use it well and wield that in a healthy way 2246 01:49:09,960 --> 01:49:11,640 to serve the Jewish people, to serve. 2247 01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,120 There's certainly place for a person who says I have plenty of 2248 01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:16,720 money for myself, but I want more to do more good with that 2249 01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:18,120 money. Should we go to the next 2250 01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:20,120 chapter? Yes. 2251 01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,880 What is? What is Yeah I What is the next 2252 01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,280 chapter? So the second idea and the 2253 01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:28,440 Gamaran Sanhedrin points out that there's a halaha in in 2254 01:49:28,440 --> 01:49:30,800 Seifer Dvar that when you let out a slave, you're supposed to 2255 01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:32,440 give him Hanakai, supposed to give him some sort of 2256 01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:36,080 remuneration, an exit bonus of some sort as Akar Tatov and and 2257 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:40,880 gratitude for the fact that he helped you grow your, your, 2258 01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:41,920 you're in business and your industry. 2259 01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:43,720 And he was a slave contributing to that. 2260 01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:45,520 So when you let him go, you're supposed to give him you're 2261 01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,280 supposed to give him something to to take with him. 2262 01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:51,040 So the Gamaran Hedren says that this money is similar to that 2263 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,000 halakhah of Hanukkah. Slave goes free. 2264 01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:56,360 He's supposed to get some value from the slave owner that is 2265 01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:58,680 releasing him. Now, I think this is very 2266 01:49:58,680 --> 01:49:59,840 interesting on a number of levels. 2267 01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,600 First of all, we know that Avraham Avinu, we're going back 2268 01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:04,880 to Avram, who's promised that we've been at Tareem was a man 2269 01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,400 of great justice. Because brah, who says I'm going 2270 01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:08,920 to choose you? Because I know that you are 2271 01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:10,800 going to teach your children and your grandchildren and the 2272 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,440 nation after you to be people who do Stockholm spot people who 2273 01:50:14,440 --> 01:50:17,400 do justice. So it's interesting to note that 2274 01:50:17,400 --> 01:50:19,440 this is an act of justice, not just in right. 2275 01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:22,080 This is the second idea that this taking of the silver and 2276 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,560 gold is not necessarily about becoming wealthy or becoming 2277 01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,120 rich. It's about going to to your 2278 01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:29,480 previous master and demanding an act of justice because a slave 2279 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:31,280 can get into the mentality of I'm a slave. 2280 01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:33,760 I don't deserve anything. I don't demand anything, but a 2281 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,680 Jew has to demand justice. Now it's also interesting to 2282 01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,760 note that I, I, I, I would guess that the hundreds of years of 2283 01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,920 slave labor don't really correlate to the amount of money 2284 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,080 that they were able to stuff into their one suitcase to get 2285 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,280 out in San Antonio. That's, that's my, my, my guess. 2286 01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,480 But I think that, you know, similar to what we, we, you 2287 01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:53,480 know, the, the Jewish people experienced in the 50s with the, 2288 01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:56,240 with the whole deliberation about receiving money from 2289 01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:58,800 Germany for the Holocaust. So it's not really about the 2290 01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,280 money that the money's going to cover the cost and we're going 2291 01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:03,680 to break even. It's about a symbolic act to say 2292 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,840 we are getting closure or the sacks also rights was very 2293 01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,760 beautifully in this context as well that we are coming to a 2294 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,800 circle, we are going to demand justice. 2295 01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:15,200 And the way of sack says it is that in order to be free you 2296 01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,320 have to let go of hate. In order to let go of hate you 2297 01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:18,880 need that symbolic act of justice. 2298 01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:20,520 So I think that's another important idea. 2299 01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:24,000 Obviously in Israel today, the last couple years, the justice 2300 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:26,320 system has been at the heart of a very, very fierce debate. 2301 01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:28,360 I'm knocking into that now. But I think as a general 2302 01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,760 principle, we know that, you know, denim and courts are 2303 01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,000 something even been enough are obligated to do because it's 2304 01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:35,640 certainly important for society to have justice and an 2305 01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:39,040 individual level also to be able to demand justice, understand 2306 01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,720 justice and be involved in justice as a first act during 2307 01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,240 the statement time. So that's another idea that we 2308 01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,440 see based on the Kamarasun hedge, that this was an act of 2309 01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:49,000 demanding a certain legally required payment. 2310 01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,400 And even if it wasn't really getting them rich, it wasn't 2311 01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,080 really helping them. Again, it may or may not. 2312 01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,920 But putting aside whatever actual benefit they got from the 2313 01:51:56,920 --> 01:52:00,760 money afterwards, the act of going to their to their to their 2314 01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,560 masters and demanding some level of closure and some level of 2315 01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:06,440 justice was very important. And maybe that's why Ivor 2316 01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:10,240 Mavino, the man of justice, was being would be this idea. 2317 01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:11,480 I thought about it a couple times. 2318 01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:13,960 And this year I noticed that it actually works perfectly with 2319 01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,560 the same pasta because the pasta says the guy meant to go. 2320 01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:17,000 I sure. Yeah. 2321 01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,200 Vodu Don anohi I'm going to judge them. 2322 01:52:20,280 --> 01:52:22,680 So that also connects the two parts of the public because the 2323 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,240 the, the judgement that the Mitchum received, the NASA 2324 01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:28,400 weren't just passive spectators at the justice, they were now 2325 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,240 active parts of the justice by going to demand the payment that 2326 01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,480 they legally deserved. That's a really cool point about 2327 01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:36,800 being active and I think that's something I never realized 2328 01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,440 before, so I like that a lot. I also think this idea ties 2329 01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:42,920 into, right, we were tying the whole idea into the Eva debris 2330 01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,600 and them getting money, tying us back to the idea of the Eva 2331 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,600 debris, right? We're saying that he gets paid 2332 01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,840 when he's leaving. And I heard that the idea behind 2333 01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,560 that was also so that they don't do it again, right? 2334 01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,320 Because a lot of times, what is the reason that someone gets 2335 01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,560 sold in slavery? Like if you do a crime and you 2336 01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:01,800 don't have the means to pay it back, then you end up selling 2337 01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:02,920 yourself to slavery and whatever. 2338 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,160 So you're giving them the financial means to make 2339 01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:08,200 something better of themselves. And I think that also ties back 2340 01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:12,080 to our first point that we were saying about of Kook that but I 2341 01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,480 sell we're getting the financial means to make some things of 2342 01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:16,800 them to make something of themselves in the same way that 2343 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:18,320 the slave is getting the financial means to make 2344 01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,240 something of himself, right. I think it's a. 2345 01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,040 Very good point. And also maybe you could further 2346 01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:24,400 connected to ideas by saying, you know what we spoke about the 2347 01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:27,160 responsibility of wealth. So having justice systems and 2348 01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:31,000 having the morality involved as a backbone to go with that 2349 01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:34,160 wealth helps you navigate the various to go with the various 2350 01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:37,160 complexities of an economy and of a business world. 2351 01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,360 So these things are certainly layers of of connection between 2352 01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:42,240 or cooks idea and this one and I appreciate you sharing that one 2353 01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,120 as well. And this also this idea that you 2354 01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:48,920 bring also, you know, really solves a lot of the theological 2355 01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:52,000 problems that a lot of people have with this, with this part 2356 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,720 of of the text. And I think that very much 2357 01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,120 explains it. But I'm curious if you think 2358 01:53:56,120 --> 01:54:00,040 that this was, you know, something that was essential to 2359 01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:04,120 their to them leaving or if this was a side point, like was this, 2360 01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:06,880 you know, the catalyst of this an important part to show that 2361 01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,440 this is, as you were saying, like shows us what we need about 2362 01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:13,080 our legal system or just side point and, you know, grounding 2363 01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:15,280 this in halacha as well. Yeah, it's a good question. 2364 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:19,880 I, I, I, I don't have a great answer because the story of 2365 01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:24,720 Pasach is so deep and so complex and there's so many angles to it 2366 01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:27,400 and layers to it. So I guess it's, it's hard for 2367 01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,840 me to sort of define what is the core and what is the periphery. 2368 01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:33,840 It's all part of one very rich and beautiful system that that 2369 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:37,360 all comes together beautiful. And you're point #3 OK. 2370 01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:39,840 Point #3 so this one maybe doesn't connect back to Ivorma 2371 01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,120 venue so much. Maybe you guys will help me 2372 01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:42,840 connect it. But there is a a very beautiful 2373 01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:45,560 Josh of the run. It's drish number you'd alef his 2374 01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:48,320 11th Josh up and he has some other questions on this whole. 2375 01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,320 So yeah. So first of all, you know, it's 2376 01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,800 not so clear from the Sookie and where they borrowing and they 2377 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,000 ran away with it. Did they ask for to keep that 2378 01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:57,040 sort of one question? But then he asked a deeper 2379 01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,920 question, a very penetrating question in my mind. 2380 01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,360 Imagine you're a Jew, you're a slave in mid time. 2381 01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:07,480 You've been working, suffering terrible conditions for your 2382 01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,520 whole life, your father's whole life, your grandfather's whole 2383 01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:11,120 life already a couple generations. 2384 01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,040 And then there's a guy he shows up one day and he says, hey 2385 01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:17,520 guys, my name is Michelle Abenu Kazpak who sent me to take you 2386 01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,360 out of mid time. So I'll ask you guys. 2387 01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:23,480 Emma Raymond, you're a Jew. This guy comes, what would you 2388 01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:25,000 expect? Let's say you're a a believing 2389 01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:28,000 Jew and you remember the promise that I'm going to take you out. 2390 01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,680 So what would you expect the next few days and weeks to look 2391 01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:32,080 like? Assuming you believe this guy 2392 01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:34,000 and he's telling you the absolute truth that he was sent 2393 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,240 by a Karish Baraku to take the nature out of me trying. 2394 01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:39,280 What happened right away? And Emma what? 2395 01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:41,560 Do you think would happen if Paro started to make any trouble 2396 01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:44,560 to this guy who claims to be actually a Karish Baraku God 2397 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:45,200 would? Blast him. 2398 01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,040 Right, exactly. That's exactly what I would, 2399 01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,960 what I would. But I would also expect, I would 2400 01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:52,720 expect this guy to go to power and say we're leaving now. 2401 01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:56,360 And if anything you say to the contrary, I'm going to kill all 2402 01:55:56,360 --> 01:56:00,080 of you with some nuclear bomb that will completely smash you 2403 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:03,040 and everything, any remnant of your society, right, Because bro 2404 01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:05,400 could do that. He's calling a hole and and so 2405 01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,280 you're a Jew and you believe that this guy Moshe Rebein with 2406 01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:09,120 Semakars Barhoop. And then what do you see? 2407 01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,680 You know, we're going to do this maca and then we're going to ask 2408 01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:14,440 again to go for a couple more days. 2409 01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,000 And then we're going to bring our wives or we're going to 2410 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,760 bring our children and we're going to bring this Zeva and 2411 01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:21,000 then we'll be another maca. It really is eerily reminiscent 2412 01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,000 of, you know, it's, it's, it's crazy to think about. 2413 01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:26,320 But last year, PESA, we were in this this this cycle of, you 2414 01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:27,960 know, we're going to negotiate and we're going to have this 2415 01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:29,160 deal. We're going to have that deal. 2416 01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:31,840 And they are serious and we are not serious and this president 2417 01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,160 is pressuring and these whole things. 2418 01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:35,800 They seem like, you know, petty if we're really being guided by 2419 01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:38,160 because there's who and his all powerful hand. 2420 01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:41,600 Would you really expect such a long laborious process of 2421 01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:44,760 negotiation and this and that. So that's the the Ron's deeper 2422 01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:46,120 question to this whole up figure. 2423 01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:49,640 And his answer is that the Rehouskadol was actually a key 2424 01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:53,000 part because the Rehouskadol was what baited the midstream to 2425 01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:57,720 come to Kratz because they were, according to Khazal and all the 2426 01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:00,360 communicate this as well, because they were upset that 2427 01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:02,640 Benazzhell took their money and they were going to bring it back 2428 01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:04,640 and they ran away with it. That's one of the things that 2429 01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:07,640 power did to motivate his troops after all they had been through 2430 01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:11,360 to come with him to try to catch up and try to bring Benazzhell 2431 01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:12,920 back. That's what brought them to the 2432 01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:16,080 ambush at Krattyamsu and the amazing Kedusha, the amazing 2433 01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:20,200 revelation of a Karashbar whose presence that you know, the even 2434 01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:23,080 the simple maid servant saw a Karashbar whose presence as 2435 01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:27,000 clearly as if it were the Navya Kheskal and that tremendous Kish 2436 01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:30,040 Hashem was all due to this whole entire process where the 2437 01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:32,960 midstream thought, power thought and and some of this from 2438 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:34,480 thought. It's not for real. 2439 01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:36,240 It can't be real. I can't be at this real like 2440 01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:39,720 comes bro who he's maybe in their world view of God, which 2441 01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,600 is, you know, where we're fighting with and we should 2442 01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,880 really keep up with. So if I comes bro who I just 2443 01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,760 taking major out right away, we would not have Kratam souf. 2444 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,360 And according to the Ron, the entire climax of the story is 2445 01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:52,320 the kratom that we had at kratom souf. 2446 01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:56,080 And the money was the way that we were able to bait the midterm 2447 01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,520 into coming out and chasing after us because they thought 2448 01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:00,440 that was their money and that we were actually playing games with 2449 01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:01,560 them. We were being small minded. 2450 01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:03,800 We're being cheap, we're being liars or whatever it may be. 2451 01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:07,880 That was part of the the plot that brought us to the Kratom 2452 01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:09,880 souf and the Ron finishes off very beautifully. 2453 01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:12,760 It's really almost like emotional to to read it. 2454 01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:14,280 I think I have the quote here. He says. 2455 01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:16,400 If you don't mind, I'll read just a couple lines here. 2456 01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:20,040 And we see in the Gulami time should be OTA it at SMO in the 2457 01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:24,760 exact same time Shaita Gu la BA euro in maximum nigali at the 2458 01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,720 same night the Brazil we're leaving the Tri M in calls that 2459 01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:31,320 euro in parallel Mamacim sham Sibaku atom, the FLP team. 2460 01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:37,400 How you Neil M la Amoda Sibatam? He says. 2461 01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:39,720 Even been Israel, the night they were leaving the triam, after 2462 01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:41,960 all this had happened to them, they were leaving the time, it 2463 01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:45,000 was the night of the right, the famous night that we are going 2464 01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:48,200 to celebrate in just a few days. Been Israel had a level of doubt 2465 01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:50,800 and a level of confusion. And then here comes a really 2466 01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,680 beautiful line says the run writing 800 years ago call 2467 01:58:53,680 --> 01:58:57,320 chicane anagnu all the more so us Sherawish and yes, Halim, we 2468 01:58:57,320 --> 01:58:58,600 should think of ourselves as idiots. 2469 01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:02,080 You tear the Gulati Da as it comes to understanding the 2470 01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:05,000 process of the future Gula and I think that is such a true 2471 01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,000 statement in the runs time and certainly in today's time, as I 2472 01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,480 indicated before and that was already last year Pasa. 2473 01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:13,120 Fast forward to this year, Pasa, all that's going on and all the 2474 01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,280 complexities and all the challenges and people running to 2475 01:59:15,280 --> 01:59:17,720 shelters and no one knows what's going to be with the war and 2476 01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:19,640 this and that along with tremendous miracles. 2477 01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:23,440 So it's normal and OK to realize that along with tremendous 2478 01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:26,600 brachot, tremendous Kita shacham, tremendous victories, 2479 01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,760 there can also be doubts and confusions because we don't know 2480 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:31,640 what Akash Brachu has in store for us. 2481 01:59:31,640 --> 01:59:34,000 We saw it last time around with the hostages. 2482 01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,280 There's nothing. We'll see it now, this time with 2483 01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:38,520 the war on Iran and possession. We'll see it with the entire 2484 01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:41,360 Talika, the Gula, that even things that seem so strange and 2485 01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:44,920 so challenging and so puzzling and so painful and so and so 2486 01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:46,520 awful. We've all been through so much. 2487 01:59:46,520 --> 01:59:50,360 We've all, you know, lost such precious people around us, 2488 01:59:50,360 --> 01:59:53,480 friends, family members, all these things, you know, all the 2489 01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,960 pain is so confusing and so challenging. 2490 01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:59,040 But in the end of the day, when everything is clarity, we will 2491 01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:01,640 look back as the gamar. And Sakhim says that even, you 2492 02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:04,920 know, nowadays we have a a bifurcation of certain things we 2493 02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:07,800 say the bracha of Atova MIT and certain things we say the bracha 2494 02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,240 of the Anhimet. Because in our world we see them 2495 02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:12,560 as two different ways of our cars, bracha acting toward us, 2496 02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:13,880 the gamar. And Sakhim says. 2497 02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:17,200 That lati level we're gonna have complete clarity and realize how 2498 02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:20,480 everything is a Tovami team and so will be sofa to see that 2499 02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:22,080 being a menu. Amen. 2500 02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:24,960 And really what I think a beautiful way to end off that, 2501 02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:28,280 you know, is always trying to bring this back into Gila and 2502 02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,320 ask that question. But I didn't even have to do 2503 02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:32,360 that this week. And I think that there's so much 2504 02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:36,120 that we're all thinking about, especially you and the rest of 2505 02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:39,200 AMI Sadeel, who's living in Editsville right now with all 2506 02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:40,760 the struggles. And it's very easy for us to 2507 02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:43,200 stay in America, like, oh, look at all these miracles. 2508 02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,560 Look at what they're doing to Iran while we're sitting here. 2509 02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:47,120 But for the people who are running to shelters in the 2510 02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:49,440 middle of the night, it's, it's much harder to say. 2511 02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:50,960 And looking at this Iran, looking to see how it's right. 2512 02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:54,600 I'm in this small point almost of leaving with Rehash Kadal 2513 02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:57,720 what that shows us about how we should be living today, how we 2514 02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:01,440 we should be thinking about Gayla and thinking about our 2515 02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:05,080 relationship with Hashem and the future give a lot of that comes. 2516 02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:08,320 So thank you so much for coming on sharing these beautiful three 2517 02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:11,600 points with us that will for sure uplift all of our seders 2518 02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:14,760 and uplift the way we think about money the way we think 2519 02:01:14,760 --> 02:01:19,200 about every single point that occurred in it's time as we're 2520 02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:21,600 living by Hayom Hazeh Shabbat Shalom. 2521 02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:22,800 Thank you for. Coming. 2522 02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:24,240 Thank you guys for. Having me.