1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,480 Shalom Alaikum and welcome to Stark Tank, a podcast and 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,320 community addressing the challenges and opportunities of 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,000 being a Bentura in the workforce. 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,280 If you don't want to miss out on bonus content, exclusive offers 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,920 and invites to in person events, make sure to join our quiet 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,920 WhatsApp group. The link is in the show notes. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,680 This week we sit down with Aaron Katz, lawyer, show builder and 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,600 baseball writer. He is a senior associate at GT 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,000 Law in Tel Aviv. He is the founding president of 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,480 Mavakshi Ms. in the Mishka 5 neighborhood of Hermap HMS and 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,480 is an occasional contributor to Tablet Magazine and other 12 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:36,040 publications. We spoke about all these things 13 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,320 and more in our conversation. If you have questions, comments 14 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,040 or suggestions, please e-mail me at yakkowolf@gmail.com. 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,560 My name is Yakko Wolf and this is Stark Day. 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,600 Aaron Katz, welcome to Shark Tank. 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,840 Thank you for joining us today. Thank you so much. 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,560 It's great to be here. So you are the first practicing 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,800 lawyer that we had on the podcast. 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Let me tell us a little bit of background, your upbringing, 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,960 your childhood and then how you decided to get pull on. 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,000 Sure. So like some of your other 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:24,840 esteemed guests that you've had in the Los Angeles maidors and I 24 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,840 grew up in a very strong, you know, classic run Orthodox for 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:36,120 the Zionist home in Lai grew up with Holocaust grandparents on 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,520 both sides. So that was a huge part of of my 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,320 life, you know, growing up in the community I grew up in in 28 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:45,280 until today. So the ethos I was raised in and 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,160 also a strong Shoals. I grew up Beth Jacob in Beverly 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,840 Hills, the unusual century city. Obviously we have phenomenal 31 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,520 shawl rabbits or about while I was there for years when I was 32 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,920 younger and Rabbi Muskan is still there and just, you know, 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,320 strong Shoals, strong youth program, strong tea minions, 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,000 strong kiddishes and, and just, you know, just a really a 35 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,120 positive environment. I was blessed. 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,320 I, I had an amazing rabbi in elementary school, Rabbi Mehfi 37 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Blau, who's a, who's a big mechanic in LA and then in Eula. 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:22,360 I had also an amazing rebellion, Ravi Grama, Ravi Rusher Klein. 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,640 It's from Temblor, Ravi Nussman sour sleep, though, just really, 40 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,720 really phenomenal babies. So really we're just still 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,040 blessed to, to grow up in a, in a, in a great environment, in a 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,760 great, you know, torn environment. 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,040 And that sort of led a whole clever of mine to Kby. 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,000 We had like, you know, eight kids went from Eula to Kby and 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,800 it was like a historic number. And yeah, obviously had a great, 46 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,960 great experience there. Learned by Reverend Moshe Stav 47 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,320 and his commercial for two years and and developed a close 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,920 catcher with for Blachmann also in that time. 49 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,880 And then, you know, sort of carried on, you know, the the 50 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,480 classic textbook, you know, made it to the to Yu learned by 51 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,720 Riviera Tvorski and then actually did Smitha in Yu came 52 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,720 here to the grist finish. Smitha came to the grist Kolo 53 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,080 and the writer David Miller. And then sort of at that point 54 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,920 is when, you know, as, as you mentioned, there's a little bit 55 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:19,280 of a of a turn from, you know, I guess that's how I ended up on 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,880 the podcast. If I stayed on and and if I 57 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,400 didn't make that turn, we wouldn't end up here. 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,840 But but yeah, basically until that, that's sort of where I 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,440 was, you know, until that point, flying to Moscow. 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,960 And so up until your time finishing, while you speak like 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,960 you still hadn't made a foul decision about, say, your 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,560 professional direction. So it's a great question. 63 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,240 So I think when I, I, I think I started right when I started, 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,000 was graduating college and sort of starting, you know, still 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,080 sort of undetermined, but at the time I also started dating and, 66 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,040 you know, sort of like, OK, let's think about next stage. 67 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,080 And next I was a psychology undergrad. 68 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,520 My father, Doctor Ernie Katz is, is a psychologist in LA, you 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,800 know, for any LA listeners out there, my dad, you know, there's 70 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,240 a lot of communal work also in just a very, very special 71 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,080 prison. So I think I kind of, you know, 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,280 gravitated, you know, into sort of, oh, you know, my dad did it 73 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,080 is my does it, you know, we're excited. 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,560 Some internships and then I was an undergrad in psychology and 75 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,760 then right around, right around sort of the time when I was 76 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,480 getting married, I kind of realized like maybe this, you 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,440 know, I'm not, this isn't the best fit for me. 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,360 I kind of thought about, you know, I was more sort of 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,520 research inclined, but my, you know, to, to sort of make money 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,720 and to, you know, to just professionally have to be more 81 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,800 of the therapy setting and, and for my dad and my mom and, you 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,840 know, my future college, I was like, maybe this isn't, you 83 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,560 know, sort of my best skill set. So I did what many people do is 84 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,520 just like, let me take the LS. So I kind of, you know, ended up 85 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,720 in law as kind of this, you know, default, that kind. 86 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,080 You know, I think it was sort of in the back of my mind, but but 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,160 I had a lot of friends that at the same time, you know, there's 88 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,200 in law school with a lot of other at the same time, there's 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,640 a lot of friends in New York and a lot of a lot of my Febra. 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,280 And I think it was sort of like a very common, you know, default 91 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:01,200 at the at the time. And and yeah, I think I was, you 92 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,400 know, able to sort of make it work. 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,000 So you mentioned that when you finished me how you can play 94 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,560 this inflection point and you really had to decide and you 95 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,680 decide to go into law school and another big transition is after 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,320 law school entering to the workforce. 97 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,720 And tell us about that period of your life. 98 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,160 For sure. So I think also just in law 99 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,480 school, I was able to do a little bit of Ribbonic still and 100 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,880 as the University of Chicago Law School and I was the JLIC, you 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,480 know, part time rabbi and I was able to give shiram and and we 102 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,080 let used to go down for Chavez a little bit. 103 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,920 So that was that was nice also sort of moving into Chicago at 104 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,080 the you know, and so this yeah, as from the finishing rest, they 105 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,880 went to my wife's hometown of Chicago. 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,800 So I kind of entered the city a little bit in a in a rabbinic 107 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,280 setting. And also I was a rabbinic intern 108 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 that first summer there under a Matanki who's, you know, rabbi. 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,560 He's rabbi. He's phenomenal, you know, show 110 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,600 rabbi leader, you know, you know, leader. 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,440 And and so I sort of entered Chicago as like, you know, OK, 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,080 Rabbi Aaron Katz and then that that that kind of was very 113 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,360 helpful kind of to adjust because it wasn't just like 114 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,240 you're going from, you know, plus and and you're fine, you 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,720 know, you're sure from a Wheeler and varlings in and then like, 116 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,960 boom, you're in law school. But I kind of was able to kind 117 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,400 of like, you know, go through this sort of transition, you 118 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,400 know, sort of inner, inner rabbinic setting, which which 119 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,560 was which was very helpful. But then, yeah, once you know, 120 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,800 started to graduate, then you, you know, go out into, into 121 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,400 workforce and yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was very 122 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,760 different. But I, I will say what what's 123 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,240 nice about Chicago? I think, you know, just in 124 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,240 general with big law, like, you know, New York is crazy. 125 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,440 Like we've all read, you know, the stories and we've all, you 126 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,520 know, seen all the crazy what goes on in New York and people 127 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,080 work till 4:00 AM and they come home, you know, black, the car, 128 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,360 the limo drives you home and all that kind of craziness. 129 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,480 So, so thank God, Chicago was like not New York. 130 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,480 And and it was it was definitely like, you know, Midwestern 131 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,680 values, you know, but still kind of the craziness of the big law 132 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,880 of the expectations and everything. 133 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:55,160 But I think sort of being out of New York was was quite nice. 134 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,600 And also there's a lot of Kevra at the time, you know, but we 135 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,640 all took the train together. We all were keepers. 136 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Like it was, you know, you were keepers network people, like 137 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,880 whatever reason that that that cultural era, you know, when I 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,320 started working, you know, it was a whole cover of us as young 139 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,120 guys. You know, we're in keepers 140 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,040 coming from, you know, W renters park and you know, something 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,720 special about that, you know, eating, you know, that was a, 142 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,840 you know, very limited kosher options, but we all would gather 143 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,120 together for lunch. So we kind of made this little 144 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,320 feather shaft, you know, together. 145 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,200 And all of this podcast is always welcome to come on and 146 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,360 criticize New York. It's always, always more than 147 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,760 welcome. So we started at Chicago. 148 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,920 You started out as a lawyer in a big law firm. 149 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,600 And then at a certain point, you had this question making Elias 150 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,400 and they tell us a little about that decision was an easy 151 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,240 decision, hard decision, and how that transition went for you and 152 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:39,720 your founder. For sure. 153 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,360 So yeah, so our, we, our story, I think especially here, you 154 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,480 know, we'll talk about a little bit about living on my Vichano. 155 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,240 She's like where everyone has a story, you know, it's just 156 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,040 'cause otherwise it's just without a good story, like it 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,520 doesn't work. And how do you know how people 158 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,960 make it, how they ended up coming so far. 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,200 So my story is journey is it's a, it's a pretty interesting 160 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,400 story, I think like a lot of people do. 161 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,480 But but Oh yeah, I was sort of planted, you know, the seeds 162 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,200 again coming, you know, coming from the strong, you know, 163 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,480 religious Zionist home and we have family in Israel and was 164 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,840 always a big value. Although I'm only one in my, you 165 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,400 know, media, media family that's here. 166 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,280 But my wife also grew up in Chicago and also, you know, 167 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,760 strong, you know, connections there to stroll and from where 168 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,720 you're in seminary. And and if there was a big 169 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,120 value, like from dating, you know, she almost didn't go out 170 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,800 with me because I wasn't Aliyah enough. 171 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Actually, I was shot in it to lie and say, Oh, yeah, it does 172 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,799 want to make Aliyah. You know, at that time I was 173 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,799 like, want to go back to LA, Like I'm pretty LA person. 174 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,880 So we think, you know, our urine verse was was instrumental and 175 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,840 just in terms of, you know, spending time here and and 176 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,039 realizing, you know, maybe there's this could work. 177 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,080 But again, once I went to law school and started working, it 178 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,080 was so in the back burner just cuz you got to focus on just 179 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,840 kind of getting through at the time in Chicago way to little 180 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:57,520 kids just to survive the winter. But then actually right when I 181 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,040 started working, Greenberg Traurig Law Firm where I am 182 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:06,720 today, still opened up an office in Tel Aviv right when I started 183 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,880 and I'd already worked at Greenberg, you know, the summer 184 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,800 before and I'd already interviewed 2 years before. 185 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,080 So it was already like, like, it wasn't like I picked Greenberg 186 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,880 because of it. It didn't. 187 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,680 But but you know, the sort of once when the the office opened, 188 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,080 I'd reached out to the head here and you know, just, hey, you 189 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,400 know, I'm, you know, from God, I'm interested in Israel, but 190 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,640 but nothing kind of real just to say hello. 191 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,800 And then about a year and a half into my working there, I reached 192 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,360 out a little more concrete and I said, you know, hi. 193 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,760 You know, we're thinking about yeah, in the future, you know, 194 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,840 can we talk? And basically this was around 195 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 pace off time. And I thought maybe in a year or 196 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,320 two years and three, I'm going to have this long plan. 197 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,680 But basically I was offered, you know, a job what for to come 198 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:49,760 down. And I was like, what do you 199 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,200 mean? Like now? 200 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Like this was like, you know, after pace off April, May. 201 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,480 And it was like, yeah, come August, it was like, I can't do 202 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:55,920 that. Like, so in the end, actually, 203 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,440 they ended up coming after circus. 204 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,200 And I was like, makes all the way after circus. 205 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,640 A little weird time, but we did it. 206 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,640 But but it was Yeah, it was stuff on all things kind of 207 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,240 lining that they were looking for a corporate associate in Tel 208 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,040 leaves. That's what I was doing. 209 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,320 They were looking for someone, you know, junior, not too 210 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,280 junior, not too seniors, kind of like the, you know, the, you 211 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,200 know, every, everything had to be sort of, you know, the 212 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,120 perfect fit. And you know, Barkley Shannon, 213 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,120 we was, you know, a lot of our Scott found Gary Epstein was the 214 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,200 founder of our office. He's a tremendous, you know, 215 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,360 builder of of, you know, he built a Tel Aviv office and, you 216 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,080 know, mentor role, you know, and Joey Shabit, our current 217 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,320 shareholder, you know, we're just able to sort of make the 218 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,240 make the move over to to tell and having again, having being 219 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,760 younger and and having young kids made that obviously, you 220 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,480 know, much easier. There's a non aliyah podcast, 221 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,000 but there's a whole separate discussion. 222 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,520 But but, you know, just tough us, you know, coming with 223 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 younger kids made that quick and easier. 224 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 As far as general differences between tacting law here and 225 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,360 there, what are some of things that people who are in the raw 226 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,360 field don't make all I should consider think about? 227 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,880 For sure. I mean, there's, there's a lot, 228 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,760 you know, I, my path is unique because I'm sort of working for 229 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,800 the US law firm, but being in Israel. 230 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,840 So it's kind of like, you know, I didn't take the Israeli bar 231 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,160 and there are there's so many paths. 232 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,120 I guess, you know, I, I can't write a book about it all day 233 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,360 because, you know, I talk about a lot, you know, how try to help 234 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,920 people. But there's obviously the only 235 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,840 the Israeli law route, you know, taking the bar, joining the, you 236 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,600 know, working Israeli law firm has its pluses, has its minuses. 237 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,160 You know, there's people now with the post COVID era where 238 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,240 are entirely working for AUS law firm completely remote. 239 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,600 So that obviously has, you know, pluses has minuses. 240 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,840 So like, well, my situation is kind of unique and there's not a 241 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,200 lot of other firms that do it. But but what's been very special 242 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,000 has been able to sort of work at a high level on, you know, work 243 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,880 that USM trained in. It's the language that I'm 244 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,760 familiar with, you know, sort of work at a high level. 245 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,480 But at the same time, being in an office, you know, most of 246 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,840 our, almost our entire office is basically Olim 2 Israelis who 247 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,720 then became US lawyers. But but, but, but there is like 248 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,240 a real, you know, US kind of fine in terms of, you know, the 249 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,280 work that we do and the manner that we do it. 250 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,760 And at the same time just being together with people that were 251 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,520 all in this together. Like, you know, with the the 252 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,120 game, we're, you know, closed for piss off and Colmont. 253 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,520 I was able to like spend time with my kids and like that be 254 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,480 looking at my phone every second. 255 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Like I've heard of, you know, for my peers that are in the 256 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,240 states. And again, just the the the 257 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,080 schedule was, you know, the fact that, you know, it's Friday, 258 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,080 Chavez is is our weekend, but today's it's a Sunday morning. 259 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,480 So you know, we have to work soon. 260 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,880 So, but it's a shift obviously of the US. 261 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,600 But, but I especially when I, when I was starting as like an 262 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,080 associate in Israel, in Chicago, you know, one time on a Sunday 263 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,680 at like, you know, one PMI had one of these like horror stories 264 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:43,240 where, you know, partner, you know, emailed me, I need you to 265 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,920 do XYZ now. And I was like, it's like Sunday 266 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,840 afternoon, like, you know, I'm with my wife and my, you know, 267 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,520 daughter at the time at Costco. Like I came home, you know, 268 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:54,360 whenever I say on my phone and everything like that. 269 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,680 And then the partner based and said to me, he's like, you know, 270 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:59,520 you not there Friday night, you're not there Shabbos, like 271 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,080 you got to be available Sunday. Like that's it like full stop. 272 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,360 And it wasn't like, you know, like there's not much to respond 273 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,480 to that. And, you know, thankfully now I 274 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,200 don't sort of have that just because we're sort of all on the 275 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,440 same same time schedule. So that that's something very 276 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,920 special. And obviously, you know, I don't 277 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,920 think we can, you know, we can't sit and talk at this time 278 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,520 without reflecting, you know, on the Matsab and what's going on, 279 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,040 you know, at this time, you know, in Israel and, and to sort 280 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,600 of work together with people. And, you know, the people in our 281 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,600 office that have, you know, kids that are in, you know, food was 282 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,560 serving in Gaza and then they have grandkids that we're in. 283 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,520 And there's like a real, like, we're in this together and 284 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:40,640 there's a real, real, you know, family vibe and also just sort 285 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,160 of in there to show being together. 286 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,920 And that's unheard of in a law firm setting where in the US 287 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,000 where it's just about hours. It's just different. 288 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,320 Something about Israel, I think that's not just for myself. 289 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,560 I think that's also a lot of people you've spoken with, you 290 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:55,760 know, a lot of the VCs and people in private equity and 291 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,400 there's something different, you know, about being here. 292 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,680 So, so, so for that, I think it's so great to be able to sort 293 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,120 of go to work and go to work with people that understand you 294 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,920 culturally, religiously, and and we're in this together. 295 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,280 So something about that is, is very special, right? 296 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,840 They don't just like, yeah, I was only doing it for, you know, 297 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,280 you had people that worked much more in the States, like on the 298 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,400 work for, you know, about almost two years. 299 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,760 But like, and I don't miss, I don't miss that at all. 300 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,320 Like I don't miss like, you know, Friday's Chicago going 301 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,640 home at, you know, 2:00 PM. You know, it's, it's just, it's, 302 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,320 it's it's not easy. It's really challenging. 303 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,360 It's like it's, it's hard and it requires a lot of shifting and, 304 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,120 and people can do it. Thank God this isn't, you know, 305 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,320 again, we're not talking about, you know, you have to hide. 306 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,560 I don't have to hide my you know, we're not talking about 307 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,000 the 50s and 60s or we wouldn't get hired or you have to hide 308 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,280 it. We were very open and the firm, 309 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,560 my other friends at other firms in Chicago, they'll give you the 310 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:48,720 cashers, they'll take care of you. 311 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,320 They'll give you the black car, the car to get home. 312 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,320 They'll take care of you. But they'll expect, they'll 313 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,960 expect you there must Chavez and Sunday and all that kind of 314 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,080 stuff. So yeah, I think it's very 315 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,440 blessed, blessed to be doing this here. 316 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,000 And it certainly sounds familiar resonates my first that year, 317 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Israel, I was a 7th grader and I remember this feeling of Sunday 318 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,200 mornings at 6:30 waking up for my bus just flipping in the 319 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,760 mirror. I'm like this is just like a 320 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,720 yucky feeling of like getting up at 6:30 on a Sunday, but a 321 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,920 little more perspective, a little more time, a little more 322 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,560 water under the bridge. You realize the the profundity 323 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,280 of what you mentioned. You know the first myths of the 324 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Holy Cazale Hem or coalition. That is the basis of everything 325 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,920 that we do is our schedule our our calendar. 326 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,200 And so once that's all set on Jewish and Israeli values and 327 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,200 and part of the part of the culture. 328 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:36,680 And then you mentioned air Shabbos. 329 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,720 So we're Solvic Arshads Jew. So all of us are often Fridays. 330 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,120 Almost everyone's country is off on Fridays. 331 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,760 And I really just creates a different vibe going into 332 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Shabbos. All those things that have come 333 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,320 to appreciate a lot more after getting used to getting up early 334 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,520 on Sunday mornings. So you mentioned that your, your 335 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,600 firm is, is very Anglo and you're here in operation very 336 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,120 Anglo environment. So it's a big question that'll 337 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,680 lean face as far as integration goes. 338 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,360 So before we, I guess we'll transition talk about the show, 339 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,360 the beautiful show that you both segue from your law transition 340 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,680 by talking a little bit about the transition from being in 341 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,960 America to being in Israel and the integration and the 342 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,160 challenges that you face. And obviously each person is 343 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,400 different, but on your experiences in that regard? 344 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,600 No, absolutely. So, so reliable sandwich is 345 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,960 called, you know, today's term. You know, vernacular is like the 346 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,840 soft line, right? That's that's what everybody 347 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,200 says and basically comes, you know, there's different other 348 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,680 soft landings, like at this point, you know, people making 349 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,880 aliyah, you know, Ronaldin Efrat Renana flying. 350 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Like, you know, it's funny, I think I always said, oh, like I 351 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:39,920 think, Oh yeah, first of all, you flying. 352 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,200 But like, what does that like, what does that mean? 353 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:42,640 No one's getting your house insurance tested. 354 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,400 You know, like it's not like, but you just kind of have this 355 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,920 like when you're in yeshiva, I think it's like, that's where I 356 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,520 want to be. But thankfully, I actually have 357 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,840 two first cousins in Ronaldin and I spent a lot of time here 358 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,680 when I was in yeshiva and we're actually going to do a pilot 359 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,080 trip. It was like, you know, we kind 360 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,080 of decided to come here and you know, dear friend Yakuamaran 361 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,600 Currents, who, you know, mutual friend of ours who made Ali just 362 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,119 a few months before he went to Ramat Shila where we started. 363 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,280 And like he went there 'cause another friend went there and 364 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,599 that's, we're going to go like that's just so natural. 365 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,760 So it was, it was incredible. It was incredible in like the 366 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,880 first year, you know, we were in that community. 367 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,400 We, you know, we were invited at every Shabbos and by amazing 368 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,400 people and taken in, you know, it was, it was, it's so special 369 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,640 to be surrounded, you know, by by other OLM And then that's, 370 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,680 that's really sort of who, you know, you're sort of on the 371 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,119 ground family is if you don't have parents here, which, which, 372 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,600 you know, we don't have. So so in that regard, it's been 373 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,400 it's been very special. And also what's unique, I think 374 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,760 especially even, I mean, not the chemist also is, is the number 375 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,880 of schools that really cater to OLM but but not even like it 376 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,240 means everything in English. It's just like they understand 377 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,680 sort of where you're coming from. 378 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,960 And I think there's also sort of like every flavor. 379 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,680 And we have friends across the board. 380 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,960 And it's obviously this is a whole other discussion of sort 381 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,840 of where you choose to put your kids in school. 382 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,280 But there's obviously, you know, the teelomi and then there's 383 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,400 like super teelomi and then there's like super caridy and 384 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,560 then there's kind of like Ingle caridy. 385 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,520 And like, you know, in that sort of Ingle caridy space, like 386 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,400 there are lots of schools. There's four or five schools for 387 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,880 girls. There's four for four boys. 388 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,720 You know, Nishka Feim. I don't have kids in that 389 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,760 school, but right across the street is is Netsuf. 390 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:20,400 And they've had, you know, people that I say he had Robert 391 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Feffer, but now he's doing other schools and then there's Robert 392 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Bomback. And like, you know, there's also 393 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,880 like other people involved sort of with the net that movement. 394 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,240 And that's the whole fascinating. 395 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:28,800 You know, it's literally across the street from us. 396 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,520 So that's a whole, you know, sort of thing. 397 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,280 There's a lot going on here in in Robert Chambers that you 398 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,360 don't necessarily find sort of in in other cities. 399 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,440 So that's been been very special. 400 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,920 But I think that's not without, you know, saying that this is 401 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,360 like, you know, this is not for everyone. 402 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,360 This is not a perfect model, but but but it definitely in sort of 403 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,120 when we come coming with young kids also enable us to sort of 404 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,160 look at the schools and choose, you know, again, we're not 405 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,880 coming with sort of older kids and and it just makes it much, 406 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,920 much easier. But but again, you know, the, 407 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,240 the community is, is, is phenomenal, like just the 408 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,480 people. They are your family and, you 409 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,200 know, we as a community went through, you know, Corona when 410 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,440 like, hey, where everyone's used to like, hey, make I gotta go 411 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,840 back every summer at the stage. Like it sounds very nice, but 412 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,760 it's like when you see, you know, but then once it's like, 413 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,680 wait, the airports are closed and my parents can't come and I 414 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,440 can't leave, you know, and then obviously you know, the current 415 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,480 stuff also like so it really requires like you really strong 416 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,720 community. Well, is different than a lot of 417 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,400 sort of Israeli born people. And I mean, Anton uncle lived in 418 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,040 Gibad Zen. So I spent a lot of time in 419 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,040 their Shoal and it's very it's a classic. 420 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,440 Like it's really show. I remember talking to uncle like 421 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,400 a year ago and said, like, what's membership, you know, and 422 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,600 he's like, Oh, no, Lemonton, they think membership for years. 423 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Like we just started like that's because like the Yuri Allen 424 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,080 built their Shoal and like they just they never had a full time 425 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,800 paid Rabbi and now they're getting doing more of that. 426 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,320 But like that was just the classic model. 427 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,640 Like there's a Shoal and Yuri I'm dolls in and like there's no 428 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,320 rabbi and like we're like the complete opposite of like, if we 429 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,360 get to like, you know, we want membership, We want to Ravi 430 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,640 everyone like the community. So like there's something very 431 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,160 special and and and you're rabbits shimmers. 432 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,240 There's so many flavors of you can sort of find yourself and, 433 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,800 and find a a matinee community. Again, it's not the only one, 434 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,440 but, but, but it's been, it's been great. 435 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,480 And, and, and it obviously every year is, you know, you, you grew 436 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,480 up in in Beechamish. But but, but both Beechamish and 437 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,960 I was like, you know, I think in other numbers, it's the highest 438 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,280 percentage where the people go is to the city. 439 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,240 So there's obviously something that's working. 440 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,680 I think, you know, that is drawing people and Drew me, you 441 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,560 know, drew your parents, you know, So yeah. 442 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:27,240 But you mentioned two things there. 443 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,360 I want to tease them apart #1 is that there are some very 444 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,240 wonderful things about this city and this community. 445 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,320 And that's, that's great. We also called it a soft 446 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,000 landing, which is Maxima that there's also saying beyond the 447 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,960 landing period and there has to be some sort of transition in 448 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,200 thinking about how you go from those early years to maybe 449 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,640 longer term. So what are your thoughts about 450 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,960 for yourself, your family, your people around you, a long term 451 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,640 vision? Because, you know, it's nice to 452 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,360 have the soft landing, but is that really what you're going to 453 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,480 be doing and your kids are going to be doing and your grandkids? 454 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,160 Yeah, no, it's a great question is as we get, you know, a little 455 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,360 bit older actually at the end of this week, please. 456 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,120 God is our oldest, our daughter's Pavitzvah. 457 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,160 So I feel like we're, you know, in that year. 458 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,080 So we're getting old, I guess at the end of this week, but that 459 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,200 is just sort of like the next stage. 460 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,280 I mean, we're already, you know, we're not at high school yet, 461 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,520 but we're already know. It's like, you know, a few years 462 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,720 ago all we talked about shops table was like, you know, I'm 463 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,160 interested though. Now we're like all we talk about 464 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 is like high school and the older ones are girls and then 465 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,920 few years to have some boys. So then you know, the whole Army 466 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,000 question and that that's it's sort of the next thing. 467 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,000 But we have started going like in stages and kind of and you 468 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,160 know, kind of kind of growing up and, and thinking about it. 469 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,480 But these are these these questions are strong questions. 470 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,040 And I think they're the the with the thing about the RBS bubble 471 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,440 that you see, which is in a way nice is now a lot of the RBS 472 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,560 Brown Navish, others really, I think started in 97 or 98 or 473 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,720 something. So now a lot of, you know, kids 474 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,120 that were sort of born from that first cohort are getting there 475 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:52,160 to each other, right? I guess you're, you're part of 476 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,600 that also that you know, of of sort of that, that generation 477 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,720 kind of marrying each other. So that's like in Vegas. 478 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,640 I know it's like really beautiful everyone like Mary, 479 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,040 you know, and then it's nice and, and, and that works for a 480 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,760 lot of people. But obviously, what if, you 481 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,600 know, you know, you, you have a child who doesn't want to sort 482 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,200 of stay in that bubble? Or what about sort of, you know, 483 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,840 broader thinking about the broader, you know, country as a 484 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,560 whole. So, so I think again, there 485 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,160 there are, I'm not one of the you know, I, I look, you know, 486 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,200 with people that sort of like the in their guess, and I think 487 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,240 that that's really beautiful. Some people, again, you could 488 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,760 sort of look at it from different perspectives, but I 489 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,760 think for for my generation, it's like, it's really 490 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,520 beautiful. Like if my kids who got would 491 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,680 end up marrying like one of my full friends, like would be 492 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,960 awesome. Like these are great people, 493 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,520 like so that it makes sense and we're very similar and all that 494 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,360 kind of stuff. But I've been, I think all like, 495 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,920 you know, these are the strong questions when it's, you know, 496 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480 when you when you have a child who goes to like an Anglo 497 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480 friendly school and then, you know, is is suffering in Hebrew, 498 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,720 like, you know, that's a problem. 499 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,480 That's something that I think has to be addressed and I think 500 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,280 those questions I think are people are realizing now like we 501 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,200 have to address those. I don't think it's like and we 502 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960 get to in a minute about about the show I'm involved in. 503 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,640 But Jaimezen seems are more Dastra, you know, so so he hates 504 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,920 the fact that like, you know, kids aren't lacking in either, 505 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,080 like it's not allowed. And he made it. 506 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,480 He makes a strong it was a strong point in the show and he 507 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,720 speaks a lot in Hebrew, ensuring that he gives, which was very 508 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:16,160 you know, Mahoodash and he he all announcements have to be 509 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Hebrew and people come like, why are you announcing? 510 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,640 You know, Marv is going to be a you know, Marvia, you know, like 511 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,480 everyone's American, but like, you know, like we're in Israel, 512 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,440 like it's a very strong makes a very strong cheetah about that. 513 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,000 And all our kids programming is in Hebrew. 514 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,960 And again, it's it's, it's, it's, it's that's sort of a you 515 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,480 know, a statement. And again, I think, you know, 516 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,200 you, you tie the Rabbi Thefron and like, you know, the thing 517 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,080 when he's writing our army and and these are strong questions. 518 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,960 Like, and I think that people realize that it's not you can't 519 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,040 sort of just come and and just, you know, you ought to have to 520 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,880 think about the here and now, but you you have to kind of 521 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,880 think, you know, X leads to, you know, Y to Z and credit also to 522 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:56,800 sort of Waffman when we spoke, you know, spoke with him, you 523 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,240 know, we made out of 10 years ago and he was asking that about 524 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,640 schools and this school and that school and Raffman's like, what 525 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,760 do they go to high school? I don't know, he's like, well, 526 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,120 that's like a fundamental question. 527 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,520 And, you know, the diamond was like a first grader and he said, 528 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,160 you know, what's high school and you know, what's high school, 529 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,480 what's afterwards? Like, I think people are sort of 530 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,880 realizing that we do have to sort of think, think long term. 531 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,000 And again, think about, you know, Hebrew, think about 532 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,240 integration, think about, you know, if if a kid and Finnish 533 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960 graduates from a local high school and then ends up in an 534 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760 American institution, you know, like a hutzing program, like is 535 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,200 that, is that failure? Is that something good? 536 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,760 Is that how do you pay for that? If that like, I mean, like the 537 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,160 real, you know, dollars and cents questions and hushed off 538 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,560 the questions. And, you know, at this stage, 539 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800 I'm still a bunch of years away, but I would if you would tell me 540 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,600 now. And so this is in 5-6 years 541 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,640 that, Oh, my daughter is going to the American, you know, 542 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,120 seminary for hutzing. I don't want that. 543 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,320 But maybe in, you know, in a few years, they'll say that's 544 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,520 actually great because then it shows that she's still 545 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,040 integrated with, you know, the US and she has those norms and 546 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,640 she'll stay here and she'll have the values. 547 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,360 And you could, you could, you know, cross, you know, cut this 548 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,400 in many different ways. But I think these are, they're 549 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,280 strong questions that, that, that we need to have. 550 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520 And, and I think thankfully we're in a community. 551 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,200 They even are, you know, RBS as a whole where, where people are 552 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,440 asking these questions, but but they think they need to be, they 553 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,520 need to be asked. Right. 554 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760 It's a the big questions and you know, I appreciate the 555 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,920 perspective and I think the, the image of the show Americans and 556 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,200 the guy and the guy by stumbling through Hebrew announcements, 557 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,880 China with his broken Hebrew is a, is a strong image in my mind 558 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,920 that I just think that my question for you maybe would be, 559 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,360 do you think that one of the keys might be actually having 560 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,800 more Israelis in your life and maybe trying to engineer that 561 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,600 little net? Because as much as you try to be 562 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,200 Israeli or speak Hebrew by like, if you're all surrounded by 563 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,680 Americans in your Shoal, in your community and in your law firm. 564 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,240 So then you're going to be limited to handicap in that 565 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,880 sense. Yeah, no, it's a great point. 566 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,720 It's funny, when we, we started to Shoal, I mean, Mishkafayim 567 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,560 was right now Mishkafayim I think has about 10 Shoals. 568 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560 So you know, it's, it's like in the valley and they're actually 569 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,960 building more. But you know, it started as one 570 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,600 Merkazi Shoal, you know, and then now there's 10. 571 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,400 And so from that came, you know, some American Shoals came on the 572 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,320 Hashemis where, where Raidov and Akima Kabad came a Swarni came 573 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,280 as Swarni. How many things? 574 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,080 So like everything kind of like, you know, broke and Eliza boss, 575 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,760 our, our mayor, you know, previous mayor, we met with her 576 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,960 many times and her dream was a big Ashkenazi on the big Sari 577 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,720 and everyone's together and like it just, it just doesn't didn't 578 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,920 have to. It's just, there's so many 579 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,720 reasons why. But that was her dream and she 580 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,040 always spoke about it And, and you know, that was, that was her 581 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,000 vision and, and there's something beautiful in her 582 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,800 vision and there's something beautiful in what we have now. 583 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,800 But, but, but it's hard. Even in our show in the early 584 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,040 on, we had some more Israelis and then they, they a lot of the 585 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,520 things that we really wanted. They don't necessarily, you 586 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,280 know, again, with all of the sort of the kids programming and 587 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,480 all that kind of stuff in the formalities, you know, they're 588 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,600 more comfortable was just Boeing to local show and give sort of 589 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,280 more no frills And there's lots of great shows like that in also 590 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,200 and sort of the formalities and the sherim and necessarily 591 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,080 things that they are used to that they grew up with. 592 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,640 I have a very good friend here, Jessie Green actually works for 593 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,800 LFF. He works for Teclaw and we were 594 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,240 neighbors when I when we first moved to Michigan. 595 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,680 Fine, yes, he grew up, you know, here in Israel and he saw the 596 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,520 show isn't this and then the Flyers and he was just like, he 597 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,240 was like, he's still fired them. And he was always like we were 598 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,360 always reflecting and and he was coming from a whole different, 599 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,840 you know, vantage one. He now worked with LFFF and 600 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,560 already community building engineers. 601 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,200 It's all and like there, it's very foreign, like, you know, 602 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,800 sort of what was used, what was done here and, and sort of and 603 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,360 then the shows that that we're getting at. 604 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720 But it was it was always great to sort of speak with him until 605 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,600 now, to speak with him and get a sort of his perspective. 606 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,040 But it's just it's very different. 607 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,080 We're coming from different places. 608 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,000 We're looking for different things. 609 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480 What we're really looking for was it's kind of like, you know, 610 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,720 going back to the, you know, the, the the Jewish center that 611 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720 was, you know, built to the Upper West Side. 612 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,360 You start with mortified capital, right, But then, you 613 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:52,040 know, obviously left shortly thereafter. 614 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,320 But, but that was sort of the vision. 615 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,600 And then sort of these Upper West Side Shoals where again, 616 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,680 where there's sort of like a JCC, you know, the Jewish 617 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,480 Community Center in component with the Shoal. 618 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,480 And you know, again, that was a very it was a big finish, you 619 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,760 know, in New York in 1920. But that's how most I grew up in 620 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,640 strong Shoals and and most of our Shoal grew up, you know, 621 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,280 thousands of as you know, seeing Ecker W Einstein or Everly grew 622 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,040 up with with with Shoals and looking looking for more. 623 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,680 And again, we don't have notice there is a math NASA in the 624 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,480 city, but like in a way, our Shoal is sort of functioning as 625 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,360 that, you know, as the sort of the JCC and the Shoal. 626 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:28,320 And then it's just it's different. 627 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,840 But but I think you, you want to, you know, definitely right, 628 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,120 in terms of like, well, the idea would we would just sort of like 629 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,200 all, you know, you know, be together and and dive them 630 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,600 together. And and the I don't think that I 631 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,680 mean, all the shows that that I could think of that are 632 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,480 successful, like this is a great show. 633 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,000 You know, Ziff for most up the hill where there's no Rabbi, but 634 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,640 it's a great Israeli American come go. 635 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,440 But it again, but having like it sort of allows that sort of 636 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,800 coming together and it's a very beautiful show. 637 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,840 Again, Israeli, American, everyone's together. 638 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,120 But I think it's sort of where you have like kind of thinking 639 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,680 and, you know, Rabbi stammers, you have full, you know, 640 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,400 leadership of Rabbi David and, you know, Rabbi Haber or 641 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,200 Cornfell. That means world class. 642 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200 I mean, like those trolls are drawing angles like it's just 643 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,920 the just the nature of it. But but I think it's a great 644 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840 point. I think again, it's it requires 645 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960 further, further thought. This is sort of just this is one 646 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,520 approach, not that this is the only one. 647 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,360 You keep on mentioning box Ms., so let's really dive in that 648 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040 little more toss about actually Ms. and how it was founded and 649 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,840 where it's holding today. Great. 650 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,520 So so we've actually started again. 651 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,920 So Michigan's were started the classic, you know, starts with 652 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,440 one show and then you know sort of the differentials came out. 653 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,160 So some of actually came out of another Shoal. 654 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,000 It's you know, the beginning is always fun. 655 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,960 There's this Shoal, there's that Shoal. 656 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,320 Like I remember even when I first moved to not be Chamas and 657 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,880 I went up the hill, you know, to the classic olive and someone's 658 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,880 like, oh, you know, that that shoal's a split of national and 659 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,880 national and this one go in the numbers, you know, so so 660 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,120 thankfully now we're about fight. 661 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,720 We're literally five years in. So at this point, you know who 662 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,720 the beginning was all this, you know, XYZ, but it all it's all 663 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,880 it's all worked out. But but a couple of us from Lily 664 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:09,760 Bruce Kolo Lam, who some of us had been actually when I was in 665 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,800 gross revising, revensing himself, you know, as a as a 666 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640 fascinating background himself. And he learned in Torvidas and 667 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,120 then he learned in Yu for many years in Kohalion was Talmud of 668 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,320 Branch Stiegel and then came to heir to Straw to be a Shana 669 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,960 Berebi and a Tivare at a very young age and was a native for, 670 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,480 you know, about 15 years with Shana Berebi came very host of 671 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,160 Nevinsal with still his Rabi Muvak and a big part of, you 672 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,400 know, his sock and the shoulders is is sort of in the Derek with 673 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,640 Nevinsal and then now is teaching Gross gross Colo. 674 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280 So a few of us when you were right interesting from gross, 675 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640 you know, he sort of was was in the Mapa chemist and and there's 676 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,080 also was a nightclub that has been going on for 7-8 years, 677 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,000 started by Donnie Feiner, that very doctor Di Feiner, who's 678 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,080 also tremendous to be on the podcast, You know, a tremendous 679 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,640 person who's done a lot of amazing things. 680 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,640 Also gross alum and then who knew roboticine from Yu and and 681 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920 sort of Reinstein was sort of doing teaching and where shell 682 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,960 sheddest is going on in different places, but it was 683 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,760 never sort of, you know, compratized. 684 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,160 And then we we so we sort of saw a need in in here in Nishka 685 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,080 Feim. We were looking for a strong 686 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,680 organic presence posing also someone again, sort of bring in, 687 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,000 you know, to do shell sheddesses to do communal and instead of 688 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,800 looking for for to sort of build a, a a sort of tequila. 689 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,400 And again, we started, you know, small, we started, you know, in 690 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,640 a parking spot and then right away, boom, came COVID and then 691 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,960 we were in a tent. And then thankfully, you know, 692 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,520 just working with the area, working with different Shoals, 693 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,440 we were able to get a piece of land and then we put up a, it's 694 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,880 called Biancala. So it's sort of like, you know, 695 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,480 it's kind of like a glorified, you know, it's not just the care 696 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,080 that you just put down. It was actually revolted. 697 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,440 And you know, it's right now we're actually a few weeks away 698 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,640 from unknowns. I'm about from potentially 699 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,360 during, you know, to do another to build a second floor with 700 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,360 Azure Nusham and to make it more MATIM for just for usage. 701 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:15,880 Right now it's sort of one big room. 702 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,800 So we can't we're limited in sort of having multiple things 703 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,360 at the same time. So in sort of slow process, but 704 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,200 thankfully we have the shows been growing and just tremendous 705 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,440 people like a lot of you know, a lot of guys working a lot of 706 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,600 guys, most of the February guys working a lot of guys have U.S. 707 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,800 jobs, which is also a unique thing about, you know, living in 708 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,720 these angle areas. So you have Bob at them that are 709 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,840 learning in the morning and then you know, sort of working, you 710 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,880 know, late into the night. And they also have a nice amount 711 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,880 of guys that work in in ratio and Nasira and Ashranu Shalvin. 712 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,200 So that's also really nice because that brings a lot of, 713 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,440 you know, show off shuntback kids that are always there that 714 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800 are coming in and out of the Shoal and, and revised teaching 715 00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,920 growth. So, you know, gross people 716 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,320 coming. So I think it's been nice and 717 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,800 sort of been able to sort of, you know, put ourselves, you 718 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,160 know, on the map in sort of in our, in our, in our world, but 719 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,320 obviously still a lot, a lot more, you know, to do. 720 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,120 And, and, and just for instance, like yesterday, where there's a 721 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,400 new program that revised seems to be pushing for a while. 722 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,200 Is that, you know, we, we we've done a lot of you know, we have 723 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,920 like Tilai Ladin, you know, take care of the kids. 724 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800 And then we have like a, you know, Lim mood harem, like, you 725 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,120 know, Abu Sabanim, you know, again, like next little older 726 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240 kids. But you know, the 5th, 6th, 7th, 727 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,120 8th grade boy is like, you know, what's there. 728 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,320 The coach I was actually doing is like is a long day, you know, 729 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,640 so there was no programming for that. 730 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,400 So we just added a Batache Shi program. 731 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,000 The guy's going to do an amid a week. 732 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,680 And that was that started the and led by Rusa, who's a red 733 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,040 being racist. So, you know, he's, he has real 734 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,640 focus that like, you know, getting guys and motivating guys 735 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,640 like the same thing of like sort of getting, you know, the racial 736 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,440 kids. And he's able to now do that 737 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,200 with, you know, our 6-7 day good boy. 738 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120 So it's very special that people are able to sort of take 739 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,840 different, different cocos. And then then the show also has, 740 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,520 you know, very strong niche, which when my wife started, you 741 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,280 know, five years ago. And then, you know, we have 742 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,000 girls, kids, girls programming and, and, you know, a lot of 743 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,280 Marcos and, and, you know, the sort of things again, that we're 744 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,520 sort of are used to when you take this for brand aid, you 745 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,000 know, when you're, you know, in the states paying, you know, 746 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440 $3000 a year membership, then you go full time rabbi. 747 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,840 So I guess this is like a little bit different here where it's 748 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,560 limited around Cava. You know, you know, the full 749 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,760 time rabbi is not something common here. 750 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,480 I don't even know if, you know, it was it exists in in in the 751 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,719 city of the championship. I don't, I can't think of any 752 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,840 rabbi who's full time. Obviously, you know, our Irvine 753 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,000 is teaching, you know, teachers and girls teachers in Traaga, 754 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,080 teachers in racial. So obviously, you know, there's 755 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,440 some there's it's a it's a different just sort of how 756 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,560 things work here. And I think people are a lot of 757 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,560 times, you know, perspective on that come to the show and 758 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,360 they're like, you know, like, you know, expecting, you know, 759 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,400 Oh, so you're like, Brandon's here like all day. 760 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,240 I'm like, no, it doesn't work like that here. 761 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,520 Like it's like, it's just not, it's not how, you know, I 762 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,800 understand. Like, so it's again, you're 763 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960 thinking of like, you know, LA and Teaneck and you know, 764 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Chicago and stuff. So it's it's different. 765 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,320 But but I think we're trying to to kind of mold something 766 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,000 special and and thankfully with, you know, Eisen's Eisenstein's 767 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,840 leadership and and I should just just to note if it would be, you 768 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,680 know, I couldn't really know sort of my involvement with the 769 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,760 show. Then first of all, my wife who's 770 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600 been behind it and put up with, you know, everything from the 771 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,920 beginning. And thankfully there's also just 772 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,520 a great team around me. I sort of stepped down kind of 773 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,240 into like an emeritus role, but obviously still involved. 774 00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:34,200 But but with some great other Febra that has, you know, that 775 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,600 has has sort of picked up the day-to-day just because, you 776 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200 know, I think it's time for new blood and it's a good new 777 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,440 perspectives. And, and also just, you know, 778 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,760 other Rabin that have helped me. Obviously with David Miller, who 779 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,200 is Reinstein, it's very helpful when you know, one of your Rabin 780 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,960 is also a your boss, your your shore rabbi is boss. 781 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040 So it's like we're sort of all coming, you know, from Rabilla, 782 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,280 we're able to bring Rabilla from Chavez and, you know, spoken 783 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080 with him a lot. And also just in general, even 784 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,840 when we're talking about sort of the RBS bubble, you know, Judah 785 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,200 Michelle, he's in a no noted teacher of Aphia taught for many 786 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,080 years in racial and now, you know, running camp Hass. 787 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,600 So a lot of the Federer show are very close with him. 788 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,400 You know, from different places that you know, people and a lot 789 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,720 of guys went to racial. The only guys went from pass and 790 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,720 I just submitted. It was so hard to meet him, you 791 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,040 know, 7-8 years ago to share in rapid challenge. 792 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,400 And Rosita has a real, you know, he's amazing, he's amazing, he's 793 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,680 amazing and he has a real close and understanding of of, you 794 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,560 know, how to work with people. And I've since they wanted sort 795 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,320 of always, always been my go to. You know, I remember we're doing 796 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,720 like a cosmet and I was super into it. 797 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,560 And then, you know, a guy next to me in troll who's also 798 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,840 Dobbins there, like I asked him, can you do a cage? 799 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,720 And he's like, no, I'm like, I was like, you have to invade. 800 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,080 And I was like everyone I'm calling from junior. 801 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,480 I was like, you got to help me, like I need help. 802 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,360 How do you deal with people? And like, you know, there's a 803 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,320 way, there's a way to deal with people like that, like, you 804 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,200 know, the sort of the free riders And but you know, he's 805 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,120 special and special, you know, again, just, you know, his two 806 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,400 son in laws, you know, one one who you know very well, 807 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,120 obviously in Cologne fate white, another son-in-law. 808 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,880 You know, they're both his daughters got married. 809 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,680 And then, you know, they're both their husbands were off, you 810 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,720 know, called up or in, in fighting in, in the in the in 811 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,880 Gaza and like to have a Judah as a mentor or someone who works 812 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,680 together, you know, sort of just family. 813 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,960 They're always guiding me and, and to ask him about final 814 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,280 questions. And then to sort of see this 815 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,960 real arity straw again, like my kids are not there yet, but but 816 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,960 he's been, you know, someone's been very special to me into a 817 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,960 lot of a lot of the fabric here in the show. 818 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,280 It's special. It's special to to, you know, to 819 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920 to be in a city where there's, there's there's a lot of talent 820 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080 in the city of bitch Amish, like from bitch Amish Robbie Jamish, 821 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,880 like it's, it's very special. That's another sort of special 822 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,120 thing. Again, other cities have that 823 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,080 also, But but again, I didn't, you know, Chicago, they're 824 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,280 obviously they have great, great drivers, but you know, just in 825 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160 terms of the, you know, number wise, like it's, it's not the 826 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,680 same. It's not like you, you can sort 827 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,800 of just, you know, everywhere you go sort of bring people and 828 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,160 connect people into your soul. And I think the informality a 829 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,320 little bit of of, of Israel sort of allows, you know, you could 830 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,600 sort of move around a little bit more than sort of how you do 831 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,680 sort of sometimes in the States, you know, kind of just a little 832 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,480 bit, you know, sort of tighter see or just. 833 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,400 And listening to you is really resonates what you're saying in 834 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,840 many ways. But one of the things is that 835 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,680 you built the resource that you want to have in your life. 836 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,280 You want to have that strong, robust community and show and 837 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,880 Rob's presence. And so you went out and you took 838 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,800 that role of building the resource that you wanted to have 839 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,480 for yourself and your family and your friends. 840 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,960 So reflecting a little bit on this podcast, it was a similar 841 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,160 journey that it was a resource that I felt I wanted for myself 842 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,400 and didn't really exist. So I felt I had to go and build 843 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,280 it. So we're going to tell you 844 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,240 reflections on the challenges and frustrations and also 845 00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,080 opportunities and benefits of being in that role of the 846 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,560 building chair along with others obviously of building that 847 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,320 project that is so important to you. 848 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,120 Yeah, no, it's a it's a great question. 849 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:54,600 I think I I heard a recent story where where it's a classic joke 850 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,040 of, of someone's like, oh, where is, you know, the new show 851 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,680 starting, right. So let's say there's, you know, 852 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,920 Ruben's coming to your show and then all of a sudden Ruben's not 853 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,800 there. We quite OK, OK, whatever, and 854 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,760 he's not there week two. You know, he's at the week 3 855 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,400 like OK, he's at the breakaway, he's at the race and this and 856 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,360 then you like call within up. He said Ruben, like where are 857 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,640 you? He's like, oh, I've been sick 858 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,720 with mono and you know this and then you're like oh box of shit, 859 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,600 like it's like amazing, like you look completely stain of like 860 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,760 what is important and and everything like that. 861 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,760 I think that that's a real challenge. 862 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,400 And I think I I myself, you know, in the beginning, again, 863 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,760 we're sort of like this show, the new show, the breakaway 864 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,720 who's happening here. And it was hard in the beginning 865 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,280 to, to sort of to get out of that mindset. 866 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,280 And I think it, it's a real challenge. 867 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,600 And I will say, you know, thankfully, you know, a lot 868 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,920 kudos to my wife. And, you know, sort of like the, 869 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,680 the shul that we, you know, sort of were together with and we 870 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,960 used to broke apart from, you know, some of my best friends 871 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,480 are in the other shul and I, I love those guys and we're still, 872 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,360 you know, we're great friends. Like, you know, I'm in a weight 873 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,680 loss competition right now with some guys and the other like 874 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,160 we've got that. It's a small community. 875 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,480 We sort of we're all in this together. 876 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,800 But again, you can't, it's obviously it is natural. 877 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,640 I think in the beginning where you sort of trying to make why 878 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,200 we different, like why you different, what's new about you? 879 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,040 Well, you have to now do that in a way we're not putting down the 880 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,680 other Shoals. And they'll do that. 881 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,960 Why is your law firm different? Why is your show different? 882 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000 Why is your Sheila different? Like again, the ideal is like to 883 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,840 do that without knocking the other, but it's hard to do. 884 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,760 It's just, it's hard because once you start sort of making a 885 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,120 separation, Oh, so you oh, you do XYZ. 886 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640 So they don't, you know, well, they do it also. 887 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,200 Well, then why, why do you need to be there? 888 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,000 So, so again, I think that was sort of the struggle in the 889 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,640 beginning, but thankfully that really time heals that like 890 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,800 there's no other way around there. 891 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,840 Again, at this point, it's so long ago, you know, And again, 892 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,960 the the sort of the show we left from, I'm actually like I was on 893 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,360 the original bot of that other show. 894 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,880 So I tell like new people move in like, you know, like I 895 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,800 actually like help start, you know, that's like what? 896 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,560 It doesn't make any sense. Like, yeah, it was a long time 897 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,400 ago and that's only five years. But in the time, time heals that 898 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,240 and also to revise instance credit, like in the beginning, 899 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,280 there were a few times where I thought, you know, just in 900 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,160 general, things happened and I, I felt that I could still stand 901 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,920 out for him. And I had to like I had to go to 902 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,200 battle and, you know, someone, you know, slide it in. 903 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,400 And every time I call Ryan's engine, he's like, stop, like, 904 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,880 just like I don't need that. And, and again, you know, at the 905 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,600 time I was younger, I didn't know how these things worked and 906 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,840 a lot of credit to him. And I think it takes, you know, 907 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,360 it takes maturity. It takes, you know, someone 908 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,920 who's been a little bit more experienced, but but that also 909 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,360 sort of enables, you know, everyone to sort of just, you 910 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,400 know, kind of let, let let things develop. 911 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,240 But but again, it's sort of what you're hitting at of like to 912 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,080 sort of like to step back. And I, I think that that for 913 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,920 myself has been really special. You know, everyone, everyone's 914 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,040 always joking. Like my answer now is like, I'm 915 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,360 not involved. You know, I would say I'm not 916 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,080 involved. I'm involved. 917 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,400 And then, you know, because like, I'm still involved and I'm 918 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,560 not like, not really that involved, but sometimes, but it 919 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,240 is special. And it's it's special to to to 920 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,680 even yesterday, like, you know, to look around, see all these 921 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,560 these kids are learning and everything and like to know that 922 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,600 you had a father, you know, just and just in getting people 923 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,280 together. Not that I did anything special 924 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200 and had any special skill or anything like that, but I was 925 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,640 able to to help, you know, bring people together and help bring 926 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,320 Rabbi in. And then sort of like, you know, 927 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,360 things like, you know, can work together. 928 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,160 But but again, once you you start a project, you know, you 929 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,160 never know, you know, what's going to what's going to be and 930 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,840 it says lots. You have to shy and I maybe the 931 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,600 night before we like announced the show. 932 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,400 I remember calling the no, and I'm like, so I make sure, like I 933 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,080 had your broth. It's like it's like a move that 934 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,560 like, you know, that like blast, like we're good, we're good, 935 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,080 like we're good, we're good with me doing this. 936 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,160 You go with the writings in doing this, like just again, 937 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,400 just take sort of get that. And and you know, it's a rough 938 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,360 time We have, we have we're being what we could turn to 939 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,240 because because otherwise, you know, I think it's, you know, 940 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:32,320 it's hard. It's hard because you're always 941 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,480 like, wait, am I just doing this for for, you know, for for 942 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,880 conflict, for doing this for, you know, type of comfort or, 943 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,680 you know, for some similar ulterior motive. 944 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,600 And, and again, it would be we're we're natural, right? 945 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,320 There are there are elements of it. 946 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,920 You know, you doing this to again, like in the beginning, 947 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,480 when it's like, you know, that first time you make a million, 948 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,840 you know, and that other show fails, you know, because they, I 949 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,320 mean, those guys have to come over to your show and they have 950 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,240 it happened, you know, and like, wow, it's like, well, it's a 951 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,320 great feeling, but like that's not that's not the point of 952 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,120 this. And and I think Regina a lot 953 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,400 also, and there was specifically, you know, one time 954 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,760 someone left me a voice note and it was a very it was someone, 955 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,360 you know, on our pro-life, but it was like a very divisive and 956 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,360 like, you know, XYZ did like this whole thing. 957 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,960 And I said to them, because there was no names of any, you 958 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,680 know who you didn't know the person getting it and there was 959 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,160 no names of, of specific, you know, whatever. 960 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,280 Like it was, it was, you know, I don't have time for this, but I 961 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,880 think I, I think it weren't like I was very, you know, just in a 962 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,080 vacuum, like the statement, like, what do I do with this? 963 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,240 Like, and I just remember you like like, wait, what are we 964 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,720 what are we sure? What are you what are you 965 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,520 probing this this is for are you doing this for a sham? 966 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160 Like we're we're going to sham and all this and like, you know, 967 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,200 I'm saying I've listened a lot of like emotional wander machine 968 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,640 and like, you know, he's yeah, so young when he talks to that 969 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,400 also when he was doing NH photos and like, you know, there there 970 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680 is ultimately like we're all doing this, you know, it's we're 971 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,280 all doing this ultimately, you know, for like to be bonded of a 972 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,440 track and stuff. So like, where is that in this 973 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480 discussion? And then and I think we're like 974 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,520 really put me in place again when it was like this again, 975 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,200 like let's all take a step back. Like, you know, you know, let's 976 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,760 just big picture and it's a total to doom. 977 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,400 So so I think again, think I just that I have to think, think 978 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,480 we're Bam that that have, you know, enabled again, and I'm not 979 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,240 I'm not perfect. I don't for someone's going to 980 00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,280 listen to this and they're going to call me up and laugh at this 981 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,440 part because, again, I don't think I'm you know, the, the the 982 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,440 the the paragon of this. But if it's something that that 983 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560 I start for and I think, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, 984 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,440 getting at a little bit and as I get older, I would say like as I 985 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,680 can able, I understand this more and more. 986 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,360 So just so yeah, on that, on that point. 987 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560 So they said Ben Arbay and Labino. 988 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,360 So I'm not there yet, but please go ahead in a few months. 989 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,080 So I hit that. And then Ben Shishen was Zikna. 990 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,320 So Lachman told me a story once someone came to a Rebbe and they 991 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,840 said, you know, I'm turning 60, you know, they're getting old. 992 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,160 And then Shishen was Zikna. Like I'm really worried about 993 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,160 this next stage of life. So Redby said. 994 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,280 Like, don't worry, you didn't hit Ganabra and Labina. 995 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,080 You're not kind of don't worry about being choosing the Zigna. 996 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,320 So hopefully these are stages that we're able to hit into true 997 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,440 accomplish. But again, so there's something 998 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,560 there's and there's just hitting on something obviously very 999 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,880 wise. You don't have Vena. 1000 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,680 We just don't have at this moment. 1001 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,200 So there's so many important points there about 1002 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,880 relationships, community building, Beam guiding you, and 1003 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,640 Sparkle staying at the center of everything we're doing. 1004 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,840 And I really appreciate all of that. 1005 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,800 We're winding down on time now. So maybe the last few minutes 1006 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,760 you talk a little bit about some of the writing that you do, a 1007 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,160 lot of different writing and different styles and different 1008 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,760 genres and topics, and you just tell us about a little bit about 1009 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,680 that as we wind down the conversation. 1010 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,240 OK, great. Yeah, so I kind of I always had 1011 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:44,960 a bug bug for writing and it's come from expressed itself in 1012 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,080 different points, you know, sort of a long a long the journey. 1013 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,400 So a tablet I've a dear friend, NASA Butler, who's involved in 1014 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,160 in tablet. So most of my earlier years, 1015 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680 sort of years in last year in Chicago and then earlier years 1016 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,840 in Israel, I wrote 10 different articles for them and Jews in 1017 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,960 baseball, baseball, we didn't even talk about it all 47 1018 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,400 minutes. It's crazy, you know, made it as 1019 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,720 far or whatever 45 minutes. And then about mentioning 1020 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,440 baseball, but that that's, you know, again from LA roofs is 1021 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,560 it's a deep love and it's it's not just there's, you know, 1022 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,000 people, you know, watching a game, but there's, you know, 1023 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,560 sort of the history component to it. 1024 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,760 And, you know, baseball books and everything, You know, 1025 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,680 there's no room for, you know, in my, you know, man cave here. 1026 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,240 So all my baseball books are actually in my law, you know, 1027 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,200 the office at work. So it's like you get to keep it 1028 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,240 all, keep it all over there. But but there, you know, there's 1029 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,040 a real, real baseball love and and real love of history. 1030 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,680 And so I've done some really some cool stories along the way. 1031 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,720 You know, Sandy Colfax called my cell phone. 1032 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,480 You know, I have some cool things that are written about 1033 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,360 and also, as I mentioned in the beginning, is sort of Holocaust 1034 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,080 shaped a lot of my it continues to shape, you know, my identity 1035 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,320 and and my my upbringing. So written different articles 1036 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,600 about the grandparents story and how back to next. 1037 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,080 So that that was, you know, some really great outlet and and 1038 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,840 something that I've been able to use and sort of send those 1039 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,880 articles along and and been very special. 1040 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,920 In addition, I was able to write something on this farm blog and 1041 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,360 Hot Kill, which is a very special article that I had 1042 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,120 worked on for a little while and worked with Naha Butler and dear 1043 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,040 friend else Eliezer brought also on that. 1044 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,440 And in addition, now at this point, you know where I am right 1045 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,920 now, I'm trying to get some write something sort of once a 1046 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,640 year that will sort of get published. 1047 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,200 So I'm not if I'm not if I'm just edited an amazing book on 1048 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,200 the FEMA from Misha Berra for Kaylin. 1049 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,960 And there's phenomenal articles in there. 1050 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,000 And you know, it was gracious to add a little bit of my piece, 1051 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,360 you know, a little smart piece to really a phenomenal book, you 1052 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,720 know, plug for that book. Yeah, it's an amazing book, but 1053 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,640 I sort of like a little bit of what we talked about is sort of 1054 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,560 like making Alia and sort of living in this bubble. 1055 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,200 And again, not, you know, having been in the army, you know, and, 1056 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,120 and the being in Israel during this time. 1057 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,640 How do I deal with that? How do I, you know, also having, 1058 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,240 you know, having tremendous artists, but then also sort of 1059 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,320 reflections of guilt. So. 1060 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,760 So that was a very special article. 1061 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,160 And then sort of on a personal level, I also had sort of, you 1062 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:18,440 know, IIA few Mustafa's. Then I, I compile sort of notes 1063 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,480 on each omelet and sort of just, you know, small country thing 1064 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,720 that I sort of wrote, I just sort of sent to friends and I 1065 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,440 hadn't done anything with sort of on a, you know, math level. 1066 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,120 So I, I think it's a lot of sort of a lot of writing. 1067 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,560 Now I'm doing also sort of on this personal time, just 1068 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,520 collecting over the years. I've also, you know, I, I just 1069 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,400 learning more and more facitous and, and a lot of history 1070 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,560 facitous and some amazing books. And I always found that that 1071 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,440 ideas, you know, that you would see they're a great idea. 1072 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,440 You like, if you don't write it down and you don't, it just kind 1073 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,360 of goes in, you hear a great voice like you're not going to 1074 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,640 remember, you're not going to write it down. 1075 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,920 So with encouragement, you know, of some friends a few years ago, 1076 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:06,600 I, I basically started just sort of writing down emails on 1077 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,080 Hasidic ideas, say history or Rebbe died writing something 1078 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,280 like that, just a small idea. And then, and then basically I 1079 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,120 would write sort of an e-mail and send it. 1080 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,320 I send it to my family and then after 100 I would collect them 1081 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,080 together. So, and now I've, I've, you 1082 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,320 know, I have four of these collections, you know, I have 1083 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,160 400 ideas. And then now I'm, I just 1084 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,760 finished another hundred, which I have to now put it into this 1085 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,320 small, you know, again, this is that it's just send it on the 1086 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,520 friends. You know, anyone wants it, you 1087 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,040 know, happy to reach out, but I don't know, I know I'm booming 1088 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,000 with it. Like I, I think it's just but, 1089 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,360 but the idea was sort of again, you, you listen to Cheryl Wolf 1090 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,440 Weimer or you, you know, you read something in the Judas 1091 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,280 Vegaris or, or, you know, you look at them around here and 1092 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,440 like in these beautiful ideas, these inspirational ideas. 1093 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,680 And like, again, if you're not without sort of writing it down, 1094 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,800 without putting it, it's just going to you're, you're in that 1095 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,600 you're going to forget it. And and that's OK. 1096 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,720 And I'm judging, you know, forgetting. 1097 00:49:55,720 --> 00:49:58,320 But but there's something I just kind of felt that I was lacking. 1098 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,400 I think with the sort of the main, the primary text is, you 1099 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,120 know, Gomara, there's like, you know, Gomara, the Gomara's 1100 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,040 there. But a lot of these like great 1101 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,880 ideas are like, like, you know, you don't necessarily find that 1102 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,200 you're not going to find the trigger to to find it again. 1103 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,160 So, so I think, yeah. So that's sort of another sort 1104 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,480 of project. I think more I think with that 1105 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,280 project. I don't know, we'll, we'll see. 1106 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,280 I think I, it's now it's just been enjoyable. 1107 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,480 You know, now I have at least, you know, 500, you know, ideas 1108 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,880 and hopefully, you know, maybe another 500, maybe in 1000, you 1109 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,600 know, I'll call you up and you can think about what to do with 1110 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,440 it. But but I but I think it's it's 1111 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,600 an important idea for unless it is that there, there's obviously 1112 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,640 sort of like, you know, a formal publishing, which I've done a 1113 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,880 little bit of because obviously you've had people on that 1114 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,040 they've done more people have done less. 1115 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,400 There's only different, different ways. 1116 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,000 But but again, something like, you know, you know, dear mentor 1117 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,720 mine, Z Mendelson, you head on to put out, you know, like a 1118 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,440 safer, like in that quality and caliber that's inspirational to, 1119 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,840 you know, maybe maybe you know, it's situational as. 1120 00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:56,080 What do you say? It's both. 1121 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,760 I did. The wrong word, but but 1122 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,960 something like that is is amazing. 1123 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,280 So, so, so maybe, you know, maybe maybe that that's the 1124 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:03,480 answer. Maybe that's something I'll work 1125 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,280 on, you know, in the next next period. 1126 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,480 But but I think I think it is important for people to at 1127 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,000 least, you know, again, whether you know, it's whether you have 1128 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,520 a spiritual diary like, you know, of conquer, you know, 1129 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,640 you're writing things down like Robbie Nachman or, you know, 1130 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,600 something but the talent to be sort of to be producing. 1131 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000 And maybe it's just, you know, an audio blog or something 1132 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,280 internal for your family. I don't did some level to start 1133 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,400 to be producing because I think it is it is helpful and it shows 1134 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,400 it allows you to continue. You're sort of growing and you 1135 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,160 sort of see your growth and also, you know, at the right 1136 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,320 time to think about how ways that you could, you know, spread 1137 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,560 it out. I think like, you know, this 1138 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,600 podcast is amazing, Like, you know, you could have potentially 1139 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,120 done all these interviews and waited five years and then 1140 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,720 published a book or something. And maybe that's maybe that 1141 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,200 means maybe you still will, but maybe right now you're putting 1142 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,240 it out and you're getting feedback in active in real time, 1143 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,120 and that's amazing. You know, again, just on the 1144 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,080 podcast, I have this, you know, idea in my head of like doing 1145 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,320 something with my father, you know, my father's psychologist 1146 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,040 and there's all these amazing ideas and like, you know, and, 1147 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,120 and it's, it's there. It's like, I already spoke to, 1148 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,360 you know, PR person and someone who could help with the social 1149 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:06,920 media component and accept the podcast. 1150 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,920 And then, but then I know like then like then I never got back 1151 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,360 to him. It's like, you know, but I don't 1152 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,360 have to think about these, these amazing idea and like, I don't 1153 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,320 want to be something, you know, in 10 years and like, well, why 1154 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,240 didn't I go through with that? So I think we all have to, you 1155 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,640 know, sort of we all have to come up with these ideas. 1156 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,520 We have to act on them and, and yeah, kudos on, on this podcast. 1157 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,800 And there's an amazing opportunity for, to hear 1158 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,760 different, different. I've learned a tremendous amount 1159 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,200 from, you know, people I knew that were on the podcast and, 1160 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,760 and you know, people I'm not familiar with. 1161 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,280 And again, just everyone just trying to, to grow in their own 1162 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,160 way. And I think that's what's 1163 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,720 beautiful. Also, like you've had people 1164 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:43,680 from across, you know, different living in different places, 1165 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,560 living in different fields, you know, even had doctor on 'cause 1166 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,080 that was, it was an exciting thing. 1167 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,360 So I was, I think it's something very special. 1168 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,880 So kudos for, you know, for promoting this and and for 1169 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,440 spreading this. Thank you, thank you. 1170 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,600 It was it was definitely touching the number of people 1171 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,640 reached out and told me that they actually sat down deep 1172 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,200 notes on certain conversations, which touched a lot because it 1173 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,760 really shows that the touch ball pad that it was too wild. 1174 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,880 They're washing dishes or driving. 1175 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,240 So they really want to concretize and have that extra 1176 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:08,480 level. And I do hope to be doing more 1177 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,520 written content around what we're doing here. 1178 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,440 And I just wanted to ask you what your favorite episode was 1179 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,760 so far that you mentioned that you're you're you're loyal 1180 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,320 listeners. Yeah, no, yeah, I have some. 1181 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,120 I have some different. I mean like MO Merlich is my 1182 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,320 picture and my my softball side. I love MO. 1183 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,560 So I, you know, there's no, no, I love them all, but I, I think 1184 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,160 for for me personally, again, Zvi think maybe the LA 1185 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,560 connection. My families go like that. 1186 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,120 But when I first actually let Zvi's father, Les Mendelson also 1187 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,440 is a long time family friend. And I, I first Les gave me Zvi 1188 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,840 safer before I even met Zvi. He's like, I have a son or a 1189 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,440 safer and I'm like, OK, I don't know what that means. 1190 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,600 Like, I don't know when I can just go to the Super and then, 1191 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,120 you know, sort of looking through the pieces. 1192 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,520 And then I have the opportunity to meet, to meet Zvi and to, to, 1193 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,040 to to see the safer and then, you know, to hear his to hear 1194 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,000 his journey. A lot of, you know, I had 1195 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,760 learned a lot from him from his podcast. 1196 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,960 And again, someone that that's, you know, that's incredible. 1197 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,240 And the, the, the love that he has for his Rebbe, for Scheffler 1198 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,480 is, is, you know, unparalleled. And, and so see it again, it's 1199 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,560 like, again, we've seen people in Washington Heights that are 1200 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,840 like that. We see people in the girls that 1201 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,560 are like that. But to see someone, you know, 1202 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,440 who's in Renana, who's, you know, who's, you know, working 1203 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,040 at such a high level and and you know, and you know, and, and the 1204 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,400 community leader, but the public that he has for his Rebbe like 1205 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,040 that, that that was it was worth it. 1206 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,200 I think, you know, for me to, you know, just for just to hear 1207 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,040 his love for a chapter and and, and to, you know, to to see that 1208 00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,320 in action was very, very special. 1209 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,760 And then that touched that just hit a chord. 1210 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:37,200 So. So that's a fake, back to that. 1211 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,400 OK. Thank you, Eric. 1212 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,280 Thank you so much for tuning in to Stark Tank. 1213 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,720 Please take 10 seconds and help us grow the show by leaving a 5 1214 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:01,480 star view. Anything that's subscribed by 1215 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,600 The next episode is the finale in the Perky Devil series, 1216 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,560 followed by a very special interview dropping next Monday, 1217 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:10,520 so stay tuned for that. Until next time, keep on 1218 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:11,280 stacking clever.