1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Of the rave said to him, he said my wife, you look like a sweet 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,520 guy and everything and he seemed like a great guy, but you're 3 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:09,720 very weak in Kumar. He basically didn't accept him. 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,400 My others looked at him and said no, no, this is where I'm going. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,080 One of the soldiers told his mother and said, you know, just 6 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:19,320 if he's scared. He said well I'm scared but if 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,680 I'm next to be young but I won't be, I won't be so scared. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,200 When you lose a child and suddenly you're looking at his 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,480 whole life from a different perspective, you slowly piece 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,560 together a much more complete picture of the of the 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,280 personality, even though it's your child and you kind of knew 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,880 all this stuff. It's not a major tradition, but 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,200 things come into focus. Tom Malek and Welcome to Stark 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Tank. Stark Tank is a podcast by the 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,840 challenges and opportunities of being a mentor in the workforce. 16 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,840 This week is Yoma Zicaron and Yoma Smote. 17 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,280 For this special episode we will be speaking to two fathers who 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,560 lost their sons in the early months of the war. 1st a 19 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,120 conversation with Eitan Morel about his son Maoz Morel Hashemi 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,280 Komdemo. Then you'll hear from Rob Airlie 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,000 about his son Binyamin Airlie Hashemi Komdemo. 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,400 At the end we will replay some great moments from Stark Dick 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,840 about the beauty and kadusha of living in Aratisaral. 1 episode 24 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,640 which I still get great feedback about is with Ellie Friedman. 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 We also had a very popular conversation with Jakob Erikranz 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,760 about the finances of making aliyah. 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,120 And finally, you will hear a little bit more about my own 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,720 Aliyah journey with a clip from the DHR podcast hosted by Zach 29 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,960 Lanic where I was a guest. Before we jump in, a quick 30 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:35,760 reminder that you can receive exclusive written content 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,360 directly to your inbox by subscribing to our newsletter. 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,840 Go to starttank.org or follow the link in the show notes to 33 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,640 subscribe today. I don't usually do intro 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,160 monologues, but I think it's important to mention a few quick 35 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,640 things before we go to our guests. 36 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,960 First is that there are many bereaved families who are 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,400 enshrining the memory of their loved ones with lots of 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,840 publicity. This is very special, allowing 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,920 the legacy of these condocian to regularly inspire all of 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Kalistrom. But it's important to mention 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,480 that there are other families who have taken a different path. 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Some are coping OK with the loss, but it's too hard for them 43 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,120 to speak publicly. Others are literally collapsing 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,120 under the paint. I would like to take a moment to 45 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,680 remember these families as well. The second thing is that 46 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,640 sacrifice takes many forms. Many soldiers have returned 47 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:23,200 physically, but inside they are broken and shattered. 48 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,040 Itamar Alush fought on October 7th with his comrades from the 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Ofaqin Police Department. He saved many lives by helping 50 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,560 evacuate the wounded and eliminating a number of 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,600 terrorists. Itamar also saw way too much on 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,440 that terrible day. A number of people died in his 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,680 arms, including people he knew and loved. 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,200 Itamar was not killed on October 7th, but he was never the same. 55 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Just a few months ago, he celebrated the bar mitzvah of 56 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,760 his son. A few days later, he suffered A 57 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,280 fatal heart attack on Yoma Zicaron. 58 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,840 I encourage everyone to remember other types of sacrifice as 59 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,040 well. It's been over 2 years and a 60 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,960 little hard to remember, but we cannot forget that in the early 61 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,120 months of the war, the daily battles were fierce and deadly. 62 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,440 Every soldier who went in, every wife, mother and child who said 63 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,360 goodbye to their loved ones knew exactly what was at stake. 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,000 It is our duty to remember the sacrifice of these heroes, 65 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,520 salute their bravery and express our infinite hakaratato that. 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,640 We spoke about those who suffer in silence. 67 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,040 We spoke about the various types of sacrifice. 68 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,960 And I wanted to add a third and final point. 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,600 When my parents decided to make aliyah, I was 12 years old and 70 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,040 my great grandmother, Oh Mama Zahonala Raha, was still alive. 71 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,480 When my parents told her that we were saying goodbye and moving 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,560 across the ocean, her first and only question was what will be 73 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,960 with Yaakov and the army? And for many Americans, this is 74 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,840 a fair and big question about aliyah. 75 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,600 It's a bit crazy to think about moving to a place where you are 76 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,400 asked to put your life on the line, but reflecting on the 77 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,440 event of the last 2 1/2 years has given me a fresh perspective 78 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,360 on this issue. Yoma Zico and Yoma Smote are 79 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,280 attached for a reason. Our love and appreciation for 80 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Israel. Is what? 81 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Makes this sacrifice possible and we are inspired by those who 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,000 have made the ultimate sacrifice to build Israel even more, fill 83 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,440 it with more life, more joy and more strength. 84 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,079 Wishing everyone a meaningful Yoma Zikaron and a very happy 85 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,720 Yomah's vote. We are joined now by Eitan 86 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,400 Morrell. Eitan, thank you for joining us 87 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,600 today. Glad to be here. 88 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,920 So maybe just a little bit of a brief background about your own 89 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,880 personal journey, making Aaliyah, selling in a unique 90 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,440 community that is a little bit off the beaten path before we 91 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,840 get into the story of your son Mos. 92 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,040 So I grew up in a small community in upstate New York, 93 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,280 in Binghamton, and I went to high school in MTA New York. 94 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:46,160 And after high school I came to Israel for the year and I stayed 95 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,200 a second year. And then I went to the Army. 96 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,040 And then I went back to America for a few months and I realized 97 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,360 that was not what I wanted. And so I came back to Israel and 98 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,480 I went to college here. And when I got engaged to my 99 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,640 wife, Varda, we knew that we wanted to live in a small 100 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,240 community. And that's what I grew up with. 101 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,680 That's what I wanted. No, I didn't want to live in a 102 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,200 big city, but we didn't know exactly where. 103 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,080 And our friends were moving to this little small place called 104 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,800 Tomon, our friends who are already married like a year 105 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,640 already. And they convinced us to move 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,800 there with them. So we came, we checked it out. 107 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,440 We said, OK, we'll move here. We have these one people that we 108 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,320 know. We were renting a caravan, so if 109 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,640 we hated it, we could leave. We weren't, you know, investing 110 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,360 in our house or anything. And we were engaged at that 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,200 point. And our wedding was in America. 112 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,560 So we went to America to actually get married. 113 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,560 And then when we came back here, we discovered that our friends 114 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,640 didn't, didn't, didn't move to Talmon. 115 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,600 They packed out and moved somewhere else. 116 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:51,280 So we didn't know anybody here. That was back in 9093 and we've 117 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,880 been here now since then. We've met a few people since 118 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,520 then and you know, it's a small, it was very small when we first 119 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,360 came. It's, you know, over the years 120 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,680 we've, we've grown as a family, you know, as the issue of grow 121 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,760 grew and you know, it worked out. 122 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:13,400 So that's how we arrived here. Both Varda and I stayed in 123 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Israel pretty much since we came for the year and stayed. 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,520 I had a little few months in America, but basically we both 125 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,240 have been here since our year. OK, amazing. 126 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,920 So we're here to talk about your experience and the, you know, 127 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,920 losing your son ma oz morale shame you come demo and it's 128 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,640 obviously impossible to capture your whole life in a brief 129 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,040 podcast. Maybe I thought we just sort of 130 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,000 choose one question, a sort of unique angle, which is that he 131 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,360 learned in an interesting yeshiva. 132 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,880 I wonder if you can tell us about the yeshiva and why he was 133 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,840 a good fit. What about him made that yeshiva 134 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:46,680 right for him? OK, so first of all, I'll start 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,520 with the fact that my Oz always had difficulty in school. 136 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,720 He had ADHD, he had some learning disabilities. 137 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,680 School was always very hard for him. 138 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,600 Gamora was always very hard for him. 139 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,880 He worked very hard throughout high school. 140 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,040 He finished high school, he did bug Groot. 141 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,760 He did everything he was supposed to do, but it was a 142 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,280 struggle for him academically, not socially, academically. 143 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,000 And when he finished, when he was finishing in 12th grade, you 144 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,640 have to decide what am I going to do after this? 145 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,520 And like with his older brothers, I, I feel that the 146 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,720 decision about what they do after high school is, is, you 147 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 know, in Israel, that's a decision that's 100% up to them. 148 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,720 And it's like really almost that one of the first times that you 149 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,960 have to really decide what do I want? 150 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,760 Because, you know, it's not even an issue of like getting in, you 151 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,320 know, like with College in America, people have to get in 152 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,560 this place and Israel with the boys high school, there's an 153 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,360 issue of getting in here pretty much with the Hester Yeshivas. 154 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,360 If you want to go there, then you can go there. 155 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,520 It's not an issue. But there's so many different 156 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,560 options and there's different has to yeshivas that are 157 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,200 different from each other. And there's Yeshiva Kvahoj and 158 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,920 there's Miffy note, and there's all kinds of millions of 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,240 programs. So it's the first time a kid has 160 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,920 to really decide what do I want and everything's open to me and 161 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,200 I have to do a Bay roar what is right for me. 162 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,320 And I try and, you know, to be more of an advisory capacity and 163 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,080 the fact that I really want them to do that on their own. 164 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,760 He visited a few places and he very, very quickly came to a 165 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,080 decision that this is a place that he wants to go to. 166 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Now, it wasn't 100% clear to me why he was so clear that this is 167 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,840 a place that he want to go to. I have some ideas, but but I the 168 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,240 place that he went to is yeshiva that at the time was in Tapua 169 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,000 and now it's in a place called Deviatar. 170 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,159 And this yeshiva is AI guess almost like an outgrowth or a 171 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:43,600 satellite yeshiva from Ilon Mora, which is a much more well 172 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,440 known and more vatik at yeshiva. And at the time this place was a 173 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,520 few years old, like maybe four or five years old. 174 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,560 And there is a very, I think significant difference between 175 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Ilon Mora and Tapua, even though they're connected around Al 176 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,320 Yakim is the nasi of both of them, the Roshi Shiva, many of 177 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,320 the Rami themselves learned for many years, and Elon Moret. 178 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,200 So they're very connected to Elon Moret. 179 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,440 But there's definitely a difference in style. 180 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,800 I would say that Elon Moret is more serious in terms of the 181 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,480 actual alumnus and learning than this place is. 182 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,480 But this place has a more like firmy feel, more dusty, less 183 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,480 serious, if you're familiar with that whole thing. 184 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,040 And I think that he felt for him, he wanted a place that was 185 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,760 a serious place. He didn't want one of these 186 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,000 places that's not serious. And he felt this was like the 187 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 right fit for him. He was serious about Yiddish 188 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,800 kite, serious about learning, but he didn't excel at it. 189 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:41,360 And when he went for a, like I said, it's not hard to get it. 190 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,760 If you want to go, generally you can go. 191 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,440 They want you more than what the often with these places. 192 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,880 But still, of course, there's subpoena and he went there to, 193 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,120 you know, with the cultural boy Shiva. 194 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,160 And he did a, you know, a fahina faher, I guess you'd call it in 195 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,120 America. And at the end of the faher the, 196 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,320 the the Rav said to him, he said, you look like a sweet guy 197 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,400 and everything and you seem like a great guy, but you're very 198 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,160 weak. In Kamara. 199 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,080 He was, he was very weak. He goes in our yeshiva, we 200 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,400 pretty much learn tomorrow, most almost the whole day. 201 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,440 I mean learn tomorrow morning, afternoon, night. 202 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,960 That's the main focus of everything. 203 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,520 And I see that you're very weak and I think that there's other 204 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,520 yeshivas that you would do better in. 205 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,520 And he basically didn't accept him. 206 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,920 And my others looked at him and said, no, no, this is where I'm 207 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,960 going. This is the right place for me. 208 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,720 The Raff said to him, look, if you want to come, you can come. 209 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,680 But once you get here, you'll see that it's not the right. 210 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,880 You know that it'll be hard for you and you'll come on your own. 211 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:39,880 If you want to come, you can come. 212 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,400 So my Oz ended up going there. I think he wanted to go there 213 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,560 because he wanted to be that type of guy. 214 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:52,360 He he wanted to be in a place where he has to work to be on 215 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 the level of the people there. He wanted to be the Nava 216 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,640 Arayota, as they say, as opposed to erosh the shortly. 217 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,280 He wanted to be in a place. Now this was a place that he 218 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,640 thought that he could do that and it wasn't too much. 219 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,320 In other words, it was like a place that he could and he liked 220 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,400 the type of guys that were there and he liked the Rebey him and 221 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,920 it really was a good choice for him. 222 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,640 It was a very good fit for him. But when he was there, he had to 223 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,880 work very, very hard and he did. He worked very, very hard to 224 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,440 keep his head above water because he took it seriously. 225 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,920 In other words, you know, and when you're in Hester, there's 226 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,000 no, there's no, at least in this place, there's no tests, there's 227 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,520 no anything. All you're learning is a schma. 228 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,480 It's for you. And if you don't learn anything, 229 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,320 then you don't learn anything, especially in this place, it's 230 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,880 very like, you know, if you're not going to learn, they're not 231 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,280 going to say anything. Everything's available to you, 232 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,880 but they don't sit on top of you. 233 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,640 And, and he pushed himself to learn as much as he could. 234 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,880 And we heard many, many stories about him, about that aspect of 235 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,560 him, how Gemara was very, very hard for him. 236 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,800 But he, he, he would not give up until he understood Gemara. 237 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,640 He would sit the Harusa would explain in the Gemara and he'd 238 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,960 say and understand it Levanti and this would go on and on and 239 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,880 on 7/8 times till till he said okay, now I understand. 240 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,120 Then moved on and then the next part and then the next part, 241 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,320 next part. And this is how he would go 242 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,160 through every day. So he worked very hard to be 243 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,800 successful in yeshiva and, and he was successful in the sense 244 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,440 that he was a male batoda. He worked very hard every day to 245 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,280 do well. And this yeshiva, he had a very, 246 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,160 very close catcher with his Rebbe and with the Rosh Toshiba 247 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,520 and it enabled, it was the right level for him and a place where 248 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,040 he could do that. And that was, I guess he's not 249 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,400 that, you know, and I think that's why he did. 250 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,760 So I had actually no and hadn't really heard of the yeshiva 251 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,840 before the Levaya and hearing of who's his rammers Yeshiva speak 252 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,480 was really quite special and emotional and and and moving to 253 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,240 me, you know, sitting there way in the back back rows standing. 254 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,600 But I did want to ask, you know, before we sort of move on to the 255 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,080 next chapter in his life to the army. 256 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,000 You know, that scene of him being told don't come by the 257 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,080 Rishi Shiva and then his persistence to want to do any 258 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,800 anyway. Was that something you had seen 259 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,600 in different stages beforehand? I got armies different. 260 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,800 We're going to talk about that in a moment. 261 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,440 But but before Yeshiva, high school, middle school, younger, 262 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:05,320 was he a very persistent type of guy? 263 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,560 So I'll tell you one of the things that we discovered that a 264 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:12,840 lot of times we feel like we know our children very well and 265 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,240 we do and we do, all of us. I mean, I don't mean just mean, 266 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,760 we mean the Morales in general. We have children, we know them. 267 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:23,080 When you lose a child and suddenly you're looking at his 268 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,360 whole life from a different perspective and you're looking 269 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,680 at his whole life with knowing the whole complete life and you 270 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:33,880 know where he ends up and you know where he started. 271 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,520 And you can, and especially in a situation like his where you sit 272 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,200 in a ship, thousands of people come and everyone tells you 273 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,280 stuff. You, you slowly piece together a 274 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,880 much more complete picture of the, of the personality, even 275 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,720 though it's your child and you kind of knew all this stuff. 276 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,320 It's not a major tradition, but things come into focus. 277 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,680 And one of the things that really came into focus and we 278 00:13:56,680 --> 00:14:02,280 now I don't think we saw this in real time, but now we see many 279 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:07,920 instances of this throughout his life was that he when he felt 280 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,960 things were very important to him, he would not give up. 281 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,640 Once he said this is what is best for me and he wouldn't give 282 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,200 up. And we have a number of 283 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,760 examples. And this yeshiva is one of the 284 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,120 examples, and we have a few others, but in real time, we 285 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,160 didn't see it that way. But now we see like that coming 286 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,720 up again and again and again. And we sort of piece it together 287 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,840 into actual personality trait that that really comes out over 288 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,280 and over again throughout his life. 289 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,960 So. This is a place for me, He was 290 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,920 sure of himself and we have other examples of that too. 291 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Wow, That's that's that's fascinating. 292 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,000 Fast forward to his Army Service, if I call it the Levay, 293 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,240 I think one of your other sons said the following. 294 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,880 He said it's a surprise that a Morel ended up in SAR at San 295 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,080 Hanim. So maybe you could tell us about 296 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,160 why it's a surprise, why we wouldn't expect them around, and 297 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,600 then, yeah. And then how we ended. 298 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,520 Up my oldest said that and what he meant by that and we all 299 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,920 understood this. So you have to know our family 300 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,400 very well and understand this. We have in our family five boys 301 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,560 and then a girl, so for many, many years and also now we're 302 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,200 really a family of boys. However, unlike the traditional 303 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,080 family of boys, we are not a sports family. 304 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,680 We are not athletic. None of my kids were into 305 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,520 playing sports really. You know, you do a little 306 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,120 because you have to, but they certainly weren't into following 307 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,760 sports and they certainly weren't into barely into 308 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,520 playing. Some of them are really not into 309 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,720 it and most of them, you know, they sort of did enough to be 310 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,120 socially acceptable, but it was not a passion. 311 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,000 And even though I have 5 boys, we didn't have like basketball 312 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,360 going on all the time, football going on all the time, soccer 313 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,640 going on all the time. It was not, they're not. 314 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,000 No one here is athletic. No one here is physical in that 315 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,040 way. That's from OS was he wasn't 316 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,400 crazy into sports, but he was the only one that was actually 317 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,520 good at sports. You know, the guy that got to 318 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,920 pick the guy that's good. And and he played football, 319 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,960 American football in the league. He was the captain of his team. 320 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,240 He's LED his team three years in a row to the championship. 321 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,080 And he he evolved in martial arts and Kung Fu for six years 322 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:18,280 and he really excelled and he did very well in that up to a 323 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,600 certain point that he went to high school in the dorm and then 324 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,600 it kind of fell off. But none of the others were like 325 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,040 that. And and also the kind of fever 326 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,840 that he was in specifically. So like no one of us were 327 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,760 surprised that he was in like a, you know, like an assayer it. 328 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:42,520 But even my Oz did not even try to get into the top tier side 329 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,760 road to what they call young side road to Biggie Bush for 330 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,200 that, even though I'm sure I'm not sure, but there's a very 331 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,480 solid chance if he would have attempted to do that, he would 332 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,200 have gotten into a more top tier syeret And he didn't because he 333 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,920 wanted to be in Hefter. In other words, he didn't go 334 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:04,760 like many of his friends to the to the gibbous because he wanted 335 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,480 to be in Hefter. And the only reason he was in 336 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:12,319 Sanjanin, even because at the end of it, in his second year in 337 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,920 yeshiva, he realized that he's not completely focused like he 338 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,280 would like to be in the learning. 339 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,599 And he wanted to give 100% everything, and he was not able 340 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,960 to in the learning. So he said, OK, this is time to 341 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,480 go to the army. If I can't focus fully on my 342 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,000 learning now, I'm going to go to the army. 343 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,040 But he wanted to stay in Hasdare. 344 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,520 So, yeah, as you know, I don't know who your listeners are, but 345 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,960 in Hasdare, some yeshivas go to the army in March and some go in 346 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,040 August, and his yeshiva goes in August. 347 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,360 But Mahas wanted to go in March because he wanted to go earlier, 348 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,760 because he wanted to already start the army, but he wanted to 349 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,720 stay in Hezder. What's the problem? 350 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,840 The problem is you go and stay in Hezder, not together with 351 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,400 your yeshiva. Then you're running a wrist, 352 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,200 which was like the worst thing that could possibly happen as 353 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,040 far as my Oz was concerned, that you would be in like Shir Yon or 354 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,440 Tossanim or something like that and not here. 355 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,120 Not infantry, which is what he wanted. 356 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,880 But what's the solution to that? You go to Sansanim. 357 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Sansanim is a way to get into for sure into infantry. 358 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,720 So once he went to Sansanim, he went and did the Bush for the 359 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Syeret. He is very good at that stuff. 360 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,320 He didn't think he would get in, but he got it. 361 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,880 So once you get into the Syeret, you can't be in Syeret if you 362 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,200 remain in Hezdeer. So at that point he said, OK, 363 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,720 I'm going to go, I'm going to go with the Sayer. 364 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,680 But up until he got into the Sayer, his plan was to remain in 365 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,400 Hezdeer, be in Sasani and then go back to yeshiva. 366 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,320 He didn't even Doogie Bush for other things. 367 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,680 But we're not surprised that he got into Samaritan. 368 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,880 Our family, we're not surprised he was in a sayerit. 369 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,360 I think he could have been in even, you know, a more higher 370 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,040 level sayerit if he wanted to, But he he chose not to. 371 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,880 But he was the only one in our family that I would say true, 372 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,080 truly athletic. Interesting. 373 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,400 So it just so I understand then the listeners, I think I 374 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,960 understood this, but you're saying that general commando 375 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,120 units are have their own sort of acceptance process, which means 376 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:04,440 that you're leaving has there, whereas some honey you can go in 377 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:05,960 through has there. And then when you're in the time 378 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,800 has there, you can get accept to the tan honey commando and then 379 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,880 stay within the has their framework. 380 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:14,640 No, if you get accepted to say yeah right, then you can't 381 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,720 remain with it because a regular Sanshan, his training is 7 382 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:24,640 months and then he's fully, he's fairly trained to go into 383 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,960 combat. For Sayaret, the training period 384 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,480 is 14 months. And with Hester, the entire 385 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,240 period that you're in the Army I think is 17. 386 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,760 So you're not, they're not going to let people train for 14 387 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,360 months only to have more, three more months to be to be in the 388 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,720 army. So if you get into the Sayaret, 389 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,680 if you want to go to Sayaret, you have to leave. 390 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,800 You have to leave. You have to leave Hester, and 391 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,240 they do that on purpose because also they don't want people who 392 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,960 got into the fairy to not go. In other words, if you got in, 393 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,400 they want you. OK, so Moses were killed in a 394 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,200 very tragic incident that had many, many casualties. 395 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,040 So can you tell us like the brief version of the events that 396 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:05,600 occurred that day? OK, so on that day it was 397 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:13,800 February 15th, 24, He had been at that point in Aza for 95 days 398 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,560 with 72 hours that he was not in Aza out of the last 95 days. 399 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,600 And at that point, they had been almost straight now for almost 8 400 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,600 weeks in Aza. I mean, snow showers, everything 401 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,600 that in it. And the way it works in Aza for 402 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,600 people who don't know is that the soldiers would capture like 403 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,480 they would like capture like a certain area. 404 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,280 And then at night they would, they would go into one of the 405 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,120 buildings, a house or another type of building, usually a 406 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,440 house apartment that is in the area that they captured. 407 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,240 And that's where they would sleep that night. 408 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,000 And every night they'd move on and sleep in a different house 409 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 or every two nights, every three nights, they switch houses. 410 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,680 And that house was their base while they were there. 411 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,960 And so that morning was 9:00 in the morning, and a group of 412 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,680 soldiers were sitting in the living room of the house, which 413 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,680 is in the front of the house, preparing to go out for like a 414 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,000 mission that they had to do. And they are in their final 415 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,880 preparations to leave, leave the house. 416 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,240 And a grenade came in through the window and blew up in the 417 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,000 living room. And all of the 12 soldiers that 418 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,680 were sitting there were all were all injured in various levels. 419 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,040 My was not in there. My was in a more internal room 420 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,640 because he wasn't going on this mission. 421 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,280 And so he was still, he was in another room asleep and he woke 422 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,520 up from the grenade and he runs into the room and he sees all 423 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,440 these injured people and he sees his commander like thrown on the 424 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,760 side, heavily injured. So first he dragged his 425 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,600 commander further in to protect him. 426 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,920 And then he he he put put Hassim. 427 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,200 Tourniquet. How do you say a tourniquet? 428 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,520 But he had a third very serious wound over here or you can't put 429 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,160 a tourniquet on and so he did a procedure called packing which 430 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,640 basically was it enabled him to stop the bleeding here which 431 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,040 which saved his officers life. Now, the thing about packing is 432 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,480 that usually a regular soldier like Maoz was, who's not a 433 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,640 medic, doesn't know how to do packing. 434 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,360 This is something that medics usually do. 435 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,000 Maoz know how to do it because his officer, the one who was 436 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,200 injured now made sure, you know, this is a Sierra. 437 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:21,880 And he said we're the best. We have to know everything. 438 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,080 He wanted everyone to be on a very high level of everything, 439 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,960 but also high level of medical knowledge. 440 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,520 So they really like drill that into them and learn stuff before 441 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,520 they went into Aza. And so that's how Maoz even knew 442 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,440 how to do this and, and it saved it saved his life. 443 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,440 After that, he went and started helping with all the other 444 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,160 wounded. They had a, a medic and even a 445 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,720 paramedic who was with them. And they kind of dealt with the 446 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,040 more serious ones. And Moz was helping and each 447 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,360 soldier that was they helped him and, and, and bandaged him. 448 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,760 They had then evacuate them. And so each soldier, they were 449 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,680 there on the 2nd floor, they had to go downstairs each. 450 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,160 So they would take him up in a stretcher, go down the stairs 451 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,160 and outside. And then as they have these 452 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,120 armored personnel characters that that they make them into 453 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,600 ambulances. And so inside they have a lot of 454 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,800 medical equipment and also doctors are there and those kind 455 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,240 of pull up and they load them into there. 456 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,840 And then they from there bring them to the helicopter, which 457 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,920 then helicopters them into hospitals in Israel. 458 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,520 So 12 times Mahaj and his fellow soldiers went up and down, up 459 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,200 and down, up and down to evacuate everyone. 460 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,840 The whole time this is going on, there was a battle going on 461 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,520 defending the the house because it wasn't the grenade that was 462 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:35,480 thrown was the opening shot of a planned attack on the House that 463 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,400 they were in. They were in that house for more 464 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,280 than one night. So the Hamas knew they, they saw 465 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,360 them, they knew they were in that house. 466 00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,600 So they planned an attack and there was like a team of Hamas, 467 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,760 they came that were attending as far as the terrorists were 468 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,080 concerned, this was a very sophisticated attack on this 469 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,680 house. So the other soldiers who were 470 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,000 now wounded were defending the this house and also other 471 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,480 soldiers that came from nearby houses. 472 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,040 And there's a whole gun battle going on on the street. 473 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,680 What I'm trying to say is that the whole taking all the 474 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,280 soldiers and evacuating them, all that is going on under fire. 475 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,400 So 12 times when they say go up and go down, that's all 476 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,920 happening under fire. So he does all of that and when 477 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,240 they finish with that, the battle's still raging after they 478 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080 evacuated all the wounded. So he runs upstairs to his 479 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,240 weapon, which is a MOG. Every soldier has a weapon that 480 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,920 is there specifically been a MOG is a very big like machine gun, 481 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,520 very, very heavy and big. Moe's was in charge of that. 482 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,760 That was Moe's weapon that he was trained on. 483 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,760 So he rides upstairs to the MOG and now his officer has been 484 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,040 been wounded. So they already know what to do. 485 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,400 They all very experienced already, so it's not the first 486 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,280 battle. So he runs upstairs to the Mog 487 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,640 and he goes up to the roof in order to be able to give from 488 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,960 the roof cover fire to the soldiers fighting below. 489 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,680 He gets up to the roof. He sees two soldiers up there. 490 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,640 One of them is the the head commander of the whole Fayer 491 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,880 Tsankharim and who was already up there commanding all the 492 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,480 troops coming in, all the forces. 493 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,800 And another soldier who's always with the commander, his his 494 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,040 communications guy, that guy's name is Yair. 495 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,160 And Yair told me this is what happened, he says, all of a 496 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,640 sudden in the middle of the battle. 497 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,440 Why in the middle of the battle? Because the grenade was thrown 498 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,440 at 9:00 in the morning. And Maoz arrives to the roof at 499 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,200 about 9:50 after it took that long to evacuate everyone. 500 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600 So as far as he's concerned, they're already in the battle 501 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,360 for 45 minutes or so. And so in the middle of battle, 502 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,000 Maoz appears. And he says to him, Yair. 503 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,000 Yair is shooting with his personal weapon. 504 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,880 He says. Yair, step aside with that toy 505 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,080 gun that you have. Let me get in there with some 506 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,320 actual firepower with my mod. And so, yeah, here's steps 507 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,960 aside. And he comes in with the mog and 508 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,960 he starts raining down a mog. Very powerful weapon for 509 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,720 infantry. And it creates a situation where 510 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,160 the terrorists have to retreat into a house. 511 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,880 So Maoz is standing on the roof of a house and the terrorists 512 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,320 are in a house across from him, and he is shooting constantly. 513 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,760 And he traps them in the house because they can't leave because 514 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560 he's shooting at the house. During the time that he traps in 515 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,800 the house, the head commander brings, they're able to bring a 516 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,200 tank and the tank shoots down the house from close range on 517 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,480 top of the terrace. However, the area is very 518 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,280 crowded. The houses are very close 519 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,760 together. Like imagine like in the old 520 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,080 city, you know, the houses are a few meters away from each other. 521 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,800 So when you take a down a house with a tank at close range, 522 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,280 pieces of the house fly all over. 523 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,800 And a piece at that point flew directly at my Oz. 524 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,240 And he was wearing a helmet, but right into his eye and into his 525 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,840 head. And he fell there with the mock. 526 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,600 But he he didn't die yet. And 38 minutes later he was in 527 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,000 the hospital. Wow. 528 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,440 That battle, by the way, didn't stop when my Oz was wounded. 529 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,160 That battle only ended completely at 2:00 in the 530 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,520 morning. It was 1718 hour battle. 531 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,040 Wow. So it's really incredible house. 532 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,320 Soldier from his unit Rotemsar Hadar, who was killed by the 533 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,240 grenade, not instantly, but but he was also killed and there 534 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,320 were many wounded, like 3 or 4 wounded I would say more 535 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,560 seriously and others more lightly. 536 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,000 His commander was injured very seriously and he was took a long 537 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,080 time to recover, but now he's like fully recovered. 538 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,960 Just I mean, he recently ran A10 K 38 minutes. 539 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,720 So he's, he's doing OK. So I guess, you know, it's 540 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,520 obviously incredible to hear about this battle and the 541 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,920 heroism of Mao's and his as comrades. 542 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,080 And, you know, so you mentioned that he was brought to the 543 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,800 hospital alive. So tell us any briefly about 544 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,400 sort of the next step like and as far as like the efforts to 545 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,800 save him and then what ended up happening? 546 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,960 So Varda and I were in our house in town. 547 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,880 We could have not become, but we were both home, miraculously. 548 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:51,680 It's like a Thursday it happened fire call. 549 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,200 Thursday, yeah, We got a phone call at 12:30. 550 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,760 Varda got the phone call and they said they were calling from 551 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,280 the army. Your son of those has been 552 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320 injured very seriously. And they say in Hebrew, Patua 553 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,160 Ke$ha, and we'll be at your house in 10 minutes to take you 554 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,840 to him. So they show up and we don't 555 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,640 know anything more than Patua Kasha. 556 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,200 And we get in the car and we have an hour and a half drive 557 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,760 from our house to the hospital in Bishop. 558 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Which hospital? Saroka Saroka Hospital So and we 559 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,720 don't know anything now when they tell you Patua Kasha 560 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:27,080 injured seriously, there's a huge range that could be within 561 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,600 those words, Patua Kasha and we had no idea where he was 562 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,560 injured. What we're talking about here, 563 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,360 is he going to lose a limb? And we had no idea. 564 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000 So we get to the hospital after an hour and a half, and they 565 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,840 meet us outside and say, want you to see him. 566 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600 So they already take us in. At that point, he's already in 567 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,920 the intensive care unit. And we see him. 568 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,320 But, you know, intensive care, he's not conscious. 569 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,400 He's bandaged up. He's hooked up to all the 570 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480 intensive care, you know, hardware. 571 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,480 He's wearing uniform. No, no, no, no, no, he is. 572 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,840 He's not wearing uniform at this point. 573 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,040 He's been in the hospital for a few hours already and he's 574 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,640 unconscious and he's hooked up to everything. 575 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,200 And so we look at him and we have no idea still what the 576 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200 situation is because, you know, sometimes they keep you under on 577 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,880 purpose and we have no idea. And then the doctor takes us 578 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,240 into his office and he says, I'm very, I'm very sorry to tell you 579 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,160 that he suffered massive irreparable damage to his brain. 580 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040 And it's enough. And that's it. 581 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:30,320 Nothing we can do. So I say to him, what? 582 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,560 I mean, like, there's no like any medical procedure. 583 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,920 There's no, you know, anything, there's nothing to do medically. 584 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,600 So I say to him, So what? What are we talking about here? 585 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,800 We're talking about hours. Days says yeah, hours, maybe a 586 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,960 few days, maybe a couple days. And that's it. 587 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960 Like there's nothing. He was very clear on that. 588 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,320 So like when there's nothing more to discuss, like he was 589 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,480 very clear the situation. He said there's no medical 590 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240 procedure to be done. We're just basically waiting. 591 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,080 There's no basically he said there's no hope. 592 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,520 That's what we understood. That's what he he was very 593 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,720 clear. So Farda and I walk out of the 594 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,600 room, obviously very broken. And we meet an Army officer and 595 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,600 she introduces herself and she says she's she's not in this 596 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,040 game, but her job is to liaise between the families and the 597 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,720 army. And she says to me, look, it 598 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480 doesn't look that way maybe to you right now, but you've 599 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,880 actually been given a gift. Because a lot of times, most 600 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,320 situations, a soldier falls in battle and they notify the 601 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,920 parents that their son has been killed and then there's a 602 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,480 funeral and that's it. But you, even though he's not 603 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,200 conscious and even though he might not have very much time 604 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,480 left, he is still alive right now. 605 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,320 And therefore you can take this opportunity to part with him to 606 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,840 have that closure, saying he'd really keep Parade. 607 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,280 That was like a very, very important thing that she told us 608 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,280 that we really took to heart. And we took that very seriously. 609 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,960 And so we had all of our other five children come to the 610 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,160 hospital and we started Thursday, started a process of 611 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,720 kind of parting with most and not just our immediate family, 612 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,000 his friends, whoever could started coming and our friends 613 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:23,480 and his rebbies and his teacher, everyone who was in his life, 614 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,160 who was important to him started streaming like to the hospital 615 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720 and everyone who came because outside, not everyone understood 616 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,000 Philly. I explained to them very clearly 617 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:39,080 that there's no hope and they should take this opportunity to 618 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,240 say goodbye to him. And that was a very, very 619 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,160 important thing to us, for us. And I think it changed a lot 620 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,600 about the whole experience. You know, at the we came to the 621 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,440 Via different than people who come to the Via without that 622 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,360 when we were in the hospital, you know, we had a lot of the 623 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,480 name people on. You know, people say to you, you 624 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:11,280 know, don't don't you know, you know, even and you know, I would 625 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,040 say to them, look, if there's going to be a miracle, I'll take 626 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,320 it. But I can't, I can't go about 627 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,480 the next few days assuming and I can't go about my business 628 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080 managing my day under the assumption that they'll be a 629 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,720 miracle. Because all the doctors say, and 630 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,520 we even had, we didn't feel we need to. 631 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,680 But another one of the soldiers that was injured also very 632 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,400 seriously. And he was also in the hospital. 633 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,920 And his mother told us that they have a neighbor who is the head 634 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,640 of the neurosurgery in Balinton. And the head guy in Saroka was 635 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,840 like his student. He's like a top, top guy and a 636 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,320 close personal friend. Because you should talk to him, 637 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,320 talk to him, you know, second opinion or whatever. 638 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,360 We didn't feel and need the second opinion because it was so 639 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,520 clear to the doctor and it wasn't like he was, there was no 640 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,120 medical decisions to be made. But you know, she says he's a 641 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,000 close personal friend of ours and he's going to call. 642 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,320 And this big doctor from Bailenson called us and he was 643 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,920 very helpful. And he told us. 644 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,520 He says, look, if the doctor told you, you know, Anush, that 645 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,400 he's like, there's no way out of this. 646 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,720 That's, you know, says when I tell someone that, that's that's 647 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,840 how it is. He says of that. 648 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,080 However, once every few years, this is what he says to me. 649 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,520 I have a case where I'll tell someone that and then there's 650 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,680 like something that I can't explain. 651 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,240 They come out of it because I don't want to give you help. 652 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,320 But like that has happened because once every three or four 653 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,880 years I get a situation like that. 654 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,000 You know, he's a very experienced, you know, doctor 655 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,200 now because Bailiffs and Saroka are both in Kali, he can just 656 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,880 from his computer go in and see all of the CTS and everything. 657 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,120 He can see everything our doctor sees. 658 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,320 And also he's, you know, he knows the doctor, so it was no 659 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,120 problem. So then he gets, he looks at all 660 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,240 the medical everything and then he calls us back and he says, 661 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,560 look, he says what I said before that could be, but not in a 662 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,240 situation like this. After what I saw there, he was 663 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,080 100% like, there's really no. So just I just, I understand 664 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,080 that what he was talking about there again, Moses was rushed to 665 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,000 the hospital. They did a number of scans. 666 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,199 They also opened him up or just scanned and he just saw damage 667 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,000 which was so completely the brain was so put him. 668 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,320 Into the nurse, the surgical, they brought him into the 669 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,639 surgery operating room ready to do surgery on his brain. 670 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,800 But when they in the room, they were looking at the CTS and they 671 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,760 realized in the surgical room, there is nothing we can do. 672 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,440 We can't. It's not all if we touch it, 673 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040 it's massive damage. If he stays alive anyway, he'll 674 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,760 be like with massive brain and they couldn't move it with a 675 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,840 huge piece that was launched into his brain. 676 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,040 So like once he was in the surgical room, they saw that 677 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,400 there's nothing to do and they basically just like damaged him 678 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,040 up and moved in there. And that was clear to any Doctor 679 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,679 Who understands anything about this, that that was a situation. 680 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,760 Then it was just a matter, a matter of time. 681 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,640 So we really like use that time and and then so that was 682 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,680 Thursday and Friday, tons of people were coming and then we 683 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,360 had a very long Shabbos. You know, you're there for 684 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,880 Shabbos and you know, there's no phones on Chavez. 685 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,480 You know, we're from no, no phones. 686 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,000 There's no distractions. You know, that was a very hard 687 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,560 Shabbos. Of course, much of Shabbos, tons 688 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,680 of people came and and much of Shabbos. 689 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,800 He's he's still, he's still alive, doctor, So didn't think 690 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,360 that he'd still be with us much of Shabbos. 691 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040 And then we started getting like a little worried that this could 692 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:32,120 turn into a much longer There are people who stay alive for 693 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,840 years in this situation. So you know, I was like a little 694 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,400 nervous about that. And then the kids worried. 695 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,240 We decided this is not for something much the shot Sunday 696 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:46,120 and then on Monday we just on Monday his his unit after being 697 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,480 in eight weeks straighteners. In other words, he was injured 698 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,920 on Thursday, but they only got out of those on Monday as 699 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,680 scheduled as others before this whole episode, we knew that he 700 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,960 was coming home for a visit on Monday. 701 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,360 And they kept on fighting and through Shabbos they were there 702 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880 and everything. And on Monday they got out and 703 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,920 they didn't go home. They came to the hospital to 704 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,960 visit the wounded and also Moss. And so they had a very, you 705 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,000 know, emotional, very emotional party because I explained the 706 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,680 situation to them too. And these guys rose with with 707 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,080 them for two years, from his first day in the army until that 708 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,560 moment they were together. And in that time, the 14 months 709 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,800 of very intensive training, almost 100 days together in 710 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,680 Ozza, which is very intensive. And they were like really like 711 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,040 brothers. And that was a very emotional 712 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,240 parting. And that was about they left. 713 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,800 There would be 4/30, 5:00 in the afternoon on Monday. 714 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,280 And we decided to do something we hadn't done special family to 715 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,560 Fila. So we had all of our children 716 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,040 gather together at 7:00 at night in the room with my others. 717 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,040 And we like Dolphin, we like, you know, staying a little bit 718 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,080 and about 5 minutes into this, we're all sitting just us with 719 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,320 around his bed and the numbers on the monitor start to plummet 720 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,360 in front of our eyes and we realize something big is 721 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,440 happening. So we just stop and the whole 722 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,520 family's together like we all like close our eyes and we're 723 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,880 like Shamari Shammi Lokin and Shamma Fad. 724 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,280 And we open up our eyes after Fad and all the numbers were on 725 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,760 zero. And the narcissist caught 726 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,400 rushing in and that was it. That was how he left this world 727 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,080 with all of us around him saying Shamma, we feel that for us, 728 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,880 that was it was a scoot. You know, the whole situation, 729 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,160 as hard as it is, we see it as a scoot for our family. 730 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,440 And to be able to be with him in that way at the last moment was 731 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,600 not something that everyone is is the head to. 732 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,480 I mean, obviously would be more the head. 733 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:37,520 We weren't in that situation. But but the whole situation of 734 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,080 him dying in battle and and saving his last hour of life, 735 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,760 You know, he was saving lives. He was doing what he had to do 736 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,680 with fighting for all of us. That's, you know, for us and 737 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,560 Hama that we have that scoot of that last hours and not just 738 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200 that, you know, he had a lot of that for the 100 days before 739 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,080 that. It's it's really emotional to 740 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,320 hear again, you know, as we approach your music, our own and 741 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,680 and remember these these incredible stories to really 742 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,880 just beyond beyond words. I also you mentioned like the, 743 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,160 you know, the the friends coming out of Gaza and coming for an 744 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,720 emotional a goodbye is something that you know, you know, number 745 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,600 of Levi's that I had been to seeing these very, very strong, 746 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,720 tough soldiers who have been through so much show up at 747 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,000 Levias and and have to to deal with that. 748 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,400 Seeing them bring breakdown is obviously. 749 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,560 Those friends, most were not many of them were not at the 750 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,200 Levaya because they had to go already back, back to Wow and. 751 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,040 So just finally, you know you our tour guide, it was mentioned 752 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,680 at the Levaya that you have been for decades showing people the 753 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,520 beauty of artists are all including tours to our Herzl. 754 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,440 So you know, in the years, you know two years already 2 plus 755 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,160 years. Since how has this or has this 756 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,280 affected your sort of love relationship to artist style 757 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,240 given a greater appreciation a more challenging dynamic since 758 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,320 since this has all happened. It's a good question. 759 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,240 I think that for me it has strengthened more my cash share 760 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,760 because it's really sealed blood at this point even more than 761 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,960 ever before. I was always felt a very strong 762 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,760 cash share with Arizona my whole life and I think that something 763 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:18,720 like this only made it even even even even stronger in terms of 764 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,880 that, yeah. OK a timer, thank you for 765 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,720 sharing these, you know, precious stories, precious 766 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,960 memories of of Moses life and his death. 767 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480 Wishing you and the family continued Hama and Hizuk and for 768 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,360 all clients how we should have a Yeshua Picaro. 769 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,520 Thank you. We are joined now by Rob Airly. 770 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,760 Rob, welcome to starting. Thank you for joining us today. 771 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,120 Thank you so much for inviting me onto your podcast, I really 772 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,080 appreciate it. So before we get into a bit 773 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,000 about your son, Binyamin Assemi Kombi, a little brief personal 774 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,280 background about yourself, your upbringing in the UK and your 775 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,080 aliyah journey. Sure. 776 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,880 So I'm from Manchester originally. 777 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,800 So I lived there 1st 22 years of my life. 778 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,840 But university there actually went to university Shiva. 779 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,640 After university, I went to actually Asia Torah for a little 780 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,960 bit and then to Darkenell Chappelle's, who was a 781 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,160 Chappelle's like 2 1/2 years. And that's where I met my my 782 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,880 wife or. Her uncle lives across the 783 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,640 street from the Shiva toy, introduced me. 784 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,560 So we ended up dating, getting engaged, and we had a choice of 785 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,560 living in New York or Manchester. 786 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,880 So New York went out. It was a close, it was a close 787 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,560 one, But so we lived in Brooklyn for a few years and then we 788 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,000 lived in Sears and we made out there in 2006. 789 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,000 So we've been here, we've been in Rimata Chevash the whole time 790 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440 since we've been here without Linda, Eric over my Chilo and 791 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,920 we're very happy here. The three of our kids were born 792 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,960 in the US and three kids here and we have two, two 793 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,640 grandchildren born recently here all set up. 794 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,200 So that's the The Alley in a nutshell. 795 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,520 Right. And so, yeah, you know, 796 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,880 obviously it's hard to encapsulate a whole life in a 797 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,080 brief podcast episode. So I thought I'd sort of focus 798 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,200 on one sort of unique thing about your son Binyamin, which 799 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,680 was that he was very connected to a place called the Hava Shelt 800 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,160 Sweep. Maybe guitar listeners about 801 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,320 this Hava. What's it like? 802 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,080 And why was Binyamin so connected to that place? 803 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,880 Right, So he so just a little, I guess the background of 804 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,240 Binyamin, he definitely struggled in in mainstream 805 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,880 schools. He went to like a bunch of 806 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,400 different high schools and then he found a wonderful school in 807 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:35,840 the a lat which he went to and that really started 808 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,640 precipitating a real change in him. 809 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,680 And a few of the guys from the the Shiva, you know, Shabbos 810 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:47,560 says they'll go to to this farm by Shabsfi, which is, you know, 811 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,800 I don't know if you listen to this, think of a farm as, you 812 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,560 know, rolling hills and wheat and vineyards. 813 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,440 This is just a patch of land. It's a mile or two outside of 814 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,000 the Jewish community called the The Fate Surf. 815 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,680 Just just for our listeners, that's like Gochette steel, 816 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,680 right or? It's passable DM It's like 20 817 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,840 minutes passable DM Yeah, no, it's it's a small town called 818 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,680 wish that they'd saw fish most people would not be so familiar 819 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,920 with. And he's starting to go into 820 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,520 this farm and he and he really like fell in love with the with 821 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,160 the lifestyle, their goal. And they rushed out these farms 822 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,960 is they'll be, like I said, an eye or two away from the 823 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,000 settlement. They basically protect the area. 824 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,800 So a lot of the times they'll have sheep or cows and it would 825 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,400 graze them in the area and it would prevent the Arabs from 826 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,160 coming close to the settlement. So just as the, you know, the 827 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,360 settlements are here to protect us in the jammers and which lion 828 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,440 Teledyv. So these farms are here to in 829 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,520 many ways to protect the settlements, but it's extremely 830 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,120 dangerous place. I mean, I realized that in time, 831 00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,600 but I think, you know, hearing many, many of the stories 832 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,760 afterwards, I didn't realize how dangerous it is over there 833 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960 because you're literally surrounded by our villagers. 834 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,280 And before he was in the army, who'd go out, you know, without 835 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,560 a gun, he would go himself or just one person grazing cows. 836 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,920 And there are lots of hostile villages around that. 837 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,280 But then once he was in the army, he would oftentimes he 838 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,920 would come back straight from the army and instead of coming 839 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,560 home, he would just come home briefly. 840 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,480 He would go straight to the farm, spend Shabbos there and do 841 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,120 Shira, do guard duty on the farm on his day off with most of his 842 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,400 friends. And he was in the paratroopers 843 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,040 on her nib. So they would go home and sleep 844 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,920 in their comfortable bed and leave their parents food. 845 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,680 And oftentimes he would go to the farm and Shabbos morning 846 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,720 would involve walking the cows for a few hours and at night 847 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,920 would be doing the guard duty. His friends in his, in his unit. 848 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,520 And they were saying, I never said, you know, they, the army 849 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,600 was like, like summer camp for him compared to what he was 850 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,640 doing on the, on the farm. There's even a video that I 851 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:11,080 guess went viral after, after he was killed, the Shiva where 852 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,760 there's about you can hear about a hundred, 150 Arabs coming down 853 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,960 a hill, a mountainside coming towards him. 854 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,520 It's just him and one other guy. And, you know, they didn't run. 855 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,880 They didn't try and flee. We're not leaving these cows 856 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,480 there. And you hear them on the phone 857 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,760 with the army and they're coming down this hill screaming Alagba. 858 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:36,080 And it doesn't faze him. He, you know, he said, you know, 859 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,640 six months before the war, he said, you know, he's prepared to 860 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,120 die for play as well. Again, not necessarily something 861 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,800 that parent wants to hear. But this is just who he was. 862 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,080 There was just no chaining him. He had No Fear. 863 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,240 Yeah. So if I understand correctly and 864 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,720 this is wrong, or if I'm reading too much into this like you seem 865 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,480 to in high school had a very hard time with, I don't know, 866 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,920 maybe the more normal frameworks, the the boundaries, 867 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,160 the rules, the expectations of a more classic place. 868 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,520 And you find this, you know, village, which is literally, you 869 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,240 know, beyond borders, beyond fences, very independent, very 870 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,120 risky. So was that like one of the 871 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,720 reasons why he was so, so connected and thrived so much 872 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,280 there? Yeah, I think quite daily on the 873 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,320 head, the sense of freedom of being able to have, you know, no 874 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,040 boundaries as it were. And and I think also he really 875 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,360 believed in the ethos of the farms. 876 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,880 Like he really came to believe it. 877 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,720 You know, a lot of these, he was unusual in the sense of 878 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,680 unfortunately a lot of these kids come sometimes they really 879 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,440 come from a struggling background. 880 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,720 So a lot of these kids are going on the farms and you know what? 881 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,640 But he was thank God able to to maintain a, an amazing 882 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,400 connection with the family and with school and with the Army 883 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,840 unit and with with the farm. He has like, I guess a few 884 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,480 different aspects of his, of his life that, you know, often 885 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,720 intersected, sometimes didn't. And it was very comfortable 886 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,760 wherever he was. But yeah, he growing up, you 887 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,200 know, a typical school framework, it was not for him. 888 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,560 Definitely bounced around probably, you know, with ADHD 889 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,320 what he was and you know, want to take, you know, medication 890 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,480 for that. So we had, you know, so we had 891 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,160 lots of calls from principals and teachers, but he found 892 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,160 himself in the school and they left Spear and they left was 893 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:32,160 just incredible because again, they gave him the freedom in the 894 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,640 school. So I mean, it's interesting the 895 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,960 way, the way things develop because, you know, you take all 896 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,760 of that experience, challenging experience with frameworks that 897 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,320 are very demanding and very strict. 898 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,920 And you go to the army, which is maybe the epitome in Tanhana in 899 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,720 which is even more of a, you know, very, very demanding and a 900 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:50,600 lot of discipline and, and, and very little personal freedom of 901 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,720 expression and what you do and where you do and what you dress. 902 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,160 So how was he able to make that transition from the utter 903 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,200 freedom of the farm to the to the discipline of Tanhana in. 904 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,640 So, yeah, that's a, that's really a good point because, 905 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,600 yeah, he had this sense of, of freedom, no boundaries in the 906 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,520 army. Like you say, it's all rules. 907 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,560 But he thrived in that situation. 908 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,800 I mean, he thrived everywhere he was. 909 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,880 And he ended up being the the midstay and the best soldier in 910 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,400 his plug and his platoon. He got that award. 911 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,200 So you only get that if you, you know, follow the rules. 912 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,840 It was a great soldier that soldiers looked up to him. 913 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,840 We went to a BBQ right before he went into Gaza, one of the 914 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,400 soldiers caught his mother and said, you know, just if he's 915 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,160 scared. And he said, well, I'm scared, 916 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,360 but if I'm next to the young man, I won't be, I won't be so 917 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,320 scared. So yeah, he was able to impart 918 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,440 it. He was the one that was able to 919 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,000 rouse everybody and give his up to to the fellow soldiers. 920 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,880 And. Yeah, but it's a good point. 921 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:48,360 Yeah. Yeah. 922 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,760 At some point he had to. He knew that this army was was 923 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,240 rules and he had to follow them, even some roles that he didn't 924 00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:58,720 like. But in the army just got to 925 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,920 stick with that and he was able to thrive. 926 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,320 And I think that shows very much about him. 927 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,240 He's able to thrive in all different kind of situations. 928 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,960 And there is it's. Interesting. 929 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,960 You know, one of the things that I've heard about these old units 930 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,640 and I've never gotten anywhere close to there with my very 931 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,000 lackluster, you know, physical capabilities. 932 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960 But one of things I've heard that there is somewhat of a 933 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,160 place, you know, obviously the baseline and the general 934 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,880 framework is very, very regimented. 935 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,080 But there is a place for, you know, being smart and cunning 936 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,120 and and having that ability to maybe talk back in the right way 937 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,760 and at the right time and express yourself. 938 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,480 And, you know, and, you know, as we're talking, I'm remembering, 939 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,680 you know, my brother-in-law, Ali Moshe, I shall become Demo, you 940 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,200 know, knew how to stand up for himself. 941 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,600 And when something that he felt was not right coming from above, 942 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,280 he would find a way again, carefully, gently, in the right 943 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,440 way. So was he able to somehow take 944 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,840 all of that fierce independence and and find a way to channel it 945 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,960 in the army? So he knows if he did actually 946 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,480 have really good relationships with the with the higher ups, 947 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,800 one of the soldiers said that they would, they would, you 948 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,400 know, you won't even look in their eyes of the, of the people 949 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,600 were very high up in, in the paratroopers. 950 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,560 And he would speak to them on almost like on a first name 951 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,760 basis. And it's at one time there was a 952 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,160 hike and all the T all and all the top soldiers were at the 953 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,200 front March all at the front. And they called them, they 954 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,640 wanted early to come, come to the front so he could walk with 955 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,680 them. So they they were he was able to 956 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,520 build a rapport with them. You know, if one time they all 957 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,440 got in trouble and they got a lot of leave was cancelled. 958 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,920 And he was the one that went to the to the higher ups to plead 959 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,040 that case. We had No Fear that again, one 960 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:46,480 of his commanders visited him on the on the farm because I think 961 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,080 he was the only person he was able to visit the farm was was 962 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,360 was him again, because he had this connection with him. 963 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,080 And yeah, he was able to be be with the regular soldiers and 964 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,200 that and very much with the higher ups. 965 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,920 And so, you know, he was fighting, as you mentioned, in 966 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,840 Gaza. Tell us a little about what that 967 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,080 was like for him and for you before. 968 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,640 You know, obviously he was tragically killed. 969 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,120 But like, approximately how long was it? 970 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,840 What were they involved in? What was like for you as a 971 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,680 father being in that situation of a son at the front lines? 972 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,520 So, right, so obviously October 7th happened. 973 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,240 We got a call that night saying they were going into a 974 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:28,000 helicopter to fly into a place on the on the border. 975 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,480 A small settlement on the border actually wasn't really hit that 976 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,680 badly by the one of the only places near AB. 977 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,560 I think one of the screen people there basically saved the the 978 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,920 the so he was going into that to root out other terrorists. 979 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,720 He didn't. He went straight to the base. 980 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,280 It was it was on the farm for a similar story. 981 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:53,880 So he went straight to the base and, and that night they went 982 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,880 into Niram and he spent a week, 10 days, you know, being there 983 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,040 flushing out any remaining terrorists. 984 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,720 And then he went back to his base to to do training ready for 985 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,720 when they were going to go into into Gaza. 986 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,680 We saw him and we went to a BBQ. First of all, like all the 987 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,840 parents were there and I wanted to bring through everyone food 988 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,080 except somebody forgot to nobody. 989 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,240 He was told to bring the BBQ. So there was and then ended up 990 00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:25,400 being a BBQ, but lots of, lots of. 991 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000 So we ended up barbecuing it the next day. 992 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,520 My wife took it to the base and then the Friday before he went 993 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,560 into Gaza, which is probably like 4 weeks into the war 994 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,400 training. We didn't hear from him that 995 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,440 much. He was we had like a picnic 996 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,240 Friday Shabbat and that was really the last time that we saw 997 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,800 him. It was, you know, hundreds of 998 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,920 parents and soldiers and he went in there like a couple of days 999 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,800 later. But we were told that really at 1000 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,280 the beginning he was him and his, a few of his unit were 1001 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,760 there to guard the not his commander, but like one of the 1002 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,280 heads of of the paratroopers. So we thought, OK, this is a, 1003 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,880 you know, a cushy job. This is you're out of the firing 1004 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,360 line here because, you know, obviously the higher ups, they 1005 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,520 don't want to be a dangerous situation. 1006 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,600 So he's protecting them. So we thought, OK, this is as 1007 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,520 good as he would get in Gaza. But he was a negativeist. 1008 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,040 He was a machine gunner. That was his job in the army. 1009 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480 And then right before Gaza, we used to give it to like the 1010 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,640 toughest, strongest soldiers. He was given to somebody else 1011 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,440 and we didn't know about what was coming up. 1012 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,160 And this this other person took over his role as the machine 1013 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,000 gunner. While he was protecting the the 1014 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,240 commander, he broke his finger and so they needed to find 1015 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,360 another machine gun. So the gun was really happy to 1016 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,840 take that back. It was not happy just sitting 1017 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,720 around guarding commanders. He wanted to go in, he wanted to 1018 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,240 action. So he took the Negev back and 1019 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:03,960 then that shot this morning, it was the there was the two or 1020 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,560 three Arab terrorists who were in the house. 1021 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,760 They were shooting at soldiers and they injured one quite 1022 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,680 badly. I think he was shot like 9 or 10 1023 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,120 times. Bokashemi's made a full recovery 1024 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,840 again and he's had two kids since then. 1025 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,320 So he so there was another group of paratroopers, not his group 1026 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,520 that was going into this house to to root out remaining 1027 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,600 terrorists was a Druze commander called Jamal Abbas. 1028 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,800 And his right hand man was Shahan Friedman. 1029 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,760 And then my Binyamin again as permission from his commander. 1030 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,280 Can I go in with them? And he ran in with damage and 1031 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:39,360 needs. He said, you need me. 1032 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,640 I have the negative gun. I have the machine gun. 1033 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,240 And so even though it wasn't, it wasn't his job. 1034 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,640 Nobody else from his unit went in. 1035 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,800 He just volunteered to go in. Unfortunately, there was an Arab 1036 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,000 terrorist who was hiding behind the couch and he he shot and 1037 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,920 killed all three of them. Wow. 1038 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:07,520 So, you know, obviously these these these deaths are so 1039 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,120 tragic. And at the Levi, I remember one 1040 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,720 of the things that stuck with me is, you know, you spoke about, 1041 00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:15,600 if I recall, you know, correcting me in my memory here. 1042 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,320 But you said you used to hate hugs. 1043 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,960 But you, you know, you started to fell in love with them 1044 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,960 already in that first, first, you know, terrible day. 1045 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,280 So am I recall correctly? Can you explain more about what 1046 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:26,920 you meant by that? Yeah. 1047 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,360 You know, English, you're not the most cuddly type of people. 1048 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,440 We don't, you know, we haven't seen a friend for a few years 1049 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,240 and just, you know, shake their hand and pat them on the back. 1050 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,280 There's no big hoax like the Americans do. 1051 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,040 So I'm not really much of A hugger. 1052 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,680 But, you know, obviously people coming up to me that day and it 1053 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,920 felt, it felt good. People were hugging me. 1054 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,840 I was. But I must admit, since since 1055 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,960 then, I've got back to being a non hugger. 1056 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,120 I've kind of known my, my, my family to not the biggest hug, 1057 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:06,200 although I did actually go to, unfortunately, a few weeks ago, 1058 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,520 a funeral of Russia. Pat's, it was a bad soldier was 1059 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:16,120 killed and I, he was also in the paratroopers and so, but he is 1060 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,680 in the paratroopers. I went over to his father 1061 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,160 afterwards and I explained that my son was killed 2 1/2 years 1062 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,920 ago. His father's a big guy and he 1063 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,560 gave me this hug and actually almost like melted in his arms. 1064 00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,800 It was like, wow, pick it up. If I can get one of these every 1065 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,880 day, this would be great because it really, you know, so. 1066 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,240 But on the day itself was obviously I needed all the help 1067 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,520 that you can get. It's not something that I really 1068 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,760 even thought of. And obviously it was a 1069 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,360 horrendous day and the sugar and carrying up, you know, bearing 1070 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,280 the burden of our kids fighting and dying for place well. 1071 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,120 And why don't you maybe talk about that arc which you just 1072 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,240 sort of described, you know, the, the initial shock and then 1073 00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:59,680 the, you know, now things are different, You know, to what 1074 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,800 extent the, you know, the tragedy has completely changed 1075 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,480 you in ways that you're never going back, to what extent you 1076 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,720 want to go back to some point of a routine and you're, you know, 1077 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:11,080 still have a life to live and things to do here. 1078 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,080 So like to what extent those two things are, I'm sure they're 1079 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,200 both true, but like how you see, you know, the the events that 1080 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,800 happened with your son completely changing you and in 1081 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,320 what ways you've sort of, I don't know, stabilized or, or 1082 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,360 gone back to certain things to, you know, your life is still 1083 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,240 going and, and life does move on in a certain sense. 1084 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,160 So I wonder if you could talk to that? 1085 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,840 Right. So you know, what if obviously 1086 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,480 it hits you, you know, the I didn't realize until afterwards, 1087 00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,880 like looking back how, how you know what's affected there after 1088 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,240 a few months. I think I remember thinking that 1089 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,000 was hard. I'm doing pretty well, pretty 1090 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,400 good here, but then, you know, 4-5 months later I'm thinking, 1091 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,840 wow, it really wasn't doing so great the first few months. 1092 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,000 You know, I wouldn't say necessarily has that bad days 1093 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,080 was obviously many times, you know, during the day when I 1094 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,480 think of my son or a picture video because of the 1095 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,280 conversation, it is very jarring and difficult, especially when I 1096 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,200 think what it could have been. You know, sometimes obviously 1097 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,080 are difficult and again, knowing that my son is not our say the 1098 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,840 table and it's not at the birth of brace of his nephew and 1099 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,760 that's never going to change. Obviously, you know, they talk 1100 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,560 about having, you know, you could be a bit simpler and be 1101 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,720 happy and obviously in pain at all at the same time being able 1102 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,920 to feel two different emotions. But I think, you know, gradually 1103 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,760 I, you know, think at a good place. 1104 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,160 We me and my wife really try to come to our home. 1105 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,840 We wouldn't think we are necessarily parents of, of a 1106 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,240 fallen soldier. We have a lot of that thing and 1107 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,600 singing and dancing in the house and happy, happy occasions. 1108 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,000 But at the same time, you know, it's obviously always there and 1109 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,000 always there in the background. But my my daughter said 1110 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,480 actually, like a few weeks said, she said, you know, we're, we're 1111 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,920 broken, obviously, but we're not, we're not, you know, 1112 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,120 completely broke, completely devastated like a few other 1113 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:12,040 families, perhaps because and we didn't, you know, fall apart, be 1114 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,840 able to still try and get the most out of life. 1115 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,680 And they saw that and they think that's make them happier and 1116 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,040 people as well. Again, but I can't judge them. 1117 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,920 People will go through all different kinds of situations. 1118 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,240 You know, right at the beginning. 1119 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,240 I went to visit Professor Alman, it's famous Nobel Prize winner, 1120 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,480 also lost the sun in I think it's 2 Lebanon. 1121 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,520 I just read a few things about him and I just felt like he had 1122 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,840 like a very optimistic life, a view on life. 1123 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,040 You know, a lot of people come to the Shiva and it also 1124 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:51,120 obviously lost kids and you know, understandably, you know, 1125 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,360 maybe been a little difficult to be around them, but I wanted to 1126 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,960 go see someone who had an optimistic viewpoint and it 1127 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,600 definitely found that with him. And that's been our mantra since 1128 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,760 try and put a positive spin on things. 1129 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,240 And we've wife now, especially as you know, she speaks. 1130 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,320 A lot she's going to. America this Shabbos she's going 1131 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,200 to the states to speak and then the following two Shabbos also 1132 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,320 in America actually as well coming back for young Azika 1133 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,640 Rania. That's what and I think people 1134 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,920 are looking to her as a site of more than Faith and Bitter Hun. 1135 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,320 And we also have this project as well that we we've been busy 1136 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,160 with as well. And that's been very helpful as 1137 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,840 well. Big and Yellow, which we've been 1138 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,080 running. That's for you. 1139 00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,040 So yeah, we'll get back to you in a moment. 1140 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:39,880 You know, you mentioned professor. 1141 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,360 Allman, you know, listeners who want to go back into the 1142 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,960 archives, we'd actually have an episode with a noble law 1143 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,320 professor Allman and he did speak about that experience of 1144 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,640 of losing his son and the famous story with Guzman. 1145 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,400 So we'll we'll link to that in the show notes and and, you 1146 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,080 know, everyone can go in and check that out. 1147 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,800 But you did allude to the the challenge of a family Simcha and 1148 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,640 the mix of emotions that that can that can lead to. 1149 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,200 So it's actually interesting because you, you know, made a 1150 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,280 wedding for Ben Yemen's brother Yuda. 1151 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,160 I believe it was the same week as my sister-in-law, Aviva give 1152 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,600 her a shout out got married, who, like the first, you know, 1153 01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,320 major SEM after her brother was killed, Ali Moshe Hashemi kom 1154 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,240 demo, which was maybe the same night or within a couple nights 1155 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,920 of each other. So I wonder if you could, you 1156 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,000 know, tell us a little bit more about the the challenge. 1157 01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,560 You know, I've certainly heard from others that they, you know, 1158 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,040 can be very, very have, you know, some real serious stress 1159 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,360 around how to celebrate in the in the lead up to the Simcha, 1160 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,520 the Simcha itself under such circumstances. 1161 01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:35,760 I'm going to share a little more about that. 1162 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,320 Yeah. So this I guess it. 1163 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,280 Was America. About 13 months ago now, so 1164 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,720 obviously we wanted to bring in Binyamin as much as we could 1165 01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,720 into into the wedding. We had like a little stand with 1166 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,000 like a picture of him and people wrote we had we actually joined 1167 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,600 the shiver. We knew is we had like book of 1168 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:06,720 people who could write a mitzvah a good deal that they could do 1169 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,400 at this hot be down when we literally had like hundreds and 1170 01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,160 thousands of people renting in mitzvahs and we had the I think 1171 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,520 we did the same thing at the at the wedding as well. 1172 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,080 Standing up. The hub was very was obviously 1173 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,720 very. It was beautiful, obviously and 1174 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,280 very exciting. My son, very wonderful girl, 1175 01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,480 amazing family, but at the same time his presence was really 1176 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,720 felt this, you know, missing under the copper, but especially 1177 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,480 the last show of Raffles was done by his by Binyamin's unit. 1178 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,560 Film came up. There was a lot of singing and a 1179 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,440 lot of dancing. It was a tremendous like row 1180 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,480 off. In fact, somebody like called me 1181 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,960 out the bloody were like watching the video of it and 1182 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,440 they felt like after watching that, they asked me like I'd 1183 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,320 love to be able to make Alia like have a kid who was gonna 1184 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,680 have a wedding like that. So it was exceptionally 1185 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,880 emotional, more so than any other wedding. 1186 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,600 And you know, we also just recently, like I said, my 1187 01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,480 grandson was was born and bit of Bris and he was his name's 1188 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,600 Amici, but he's also Amici Binyamin mayor. 1189 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,280 He was named after him. So also at the same time, you 1190 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,920 know, the Sof, you know, is he assumption that'll be his name 1191 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,520 will be in there somewhere, but you're thinking about it 1192 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,520 beforehand. And and then obviously it's 1193 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,880 emotional or having a child linked up to your son. 1194 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,840 It's you know, we've had actually a number of kids, maybe 1195 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,120 9 or 10 kids have been linked up to our son at this point. 1196 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,960 But obviously when it's your own family and daughter doing it, 1197 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,840 it's much more. And yeah, I mean. 1198 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,480 It's it's beautiful to be able to to be able to celebrate some 1199 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,320 of this. But at the same time, you know, 1200 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,760 your heart is broken a little bit that he's not going to be 1201 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,200 able to share in there and have his own samples, his own wife, 1202 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,640 his own kids, his own family, grandchildren. 1203 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,040 It's always hard to think about. Yeah. 1204 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,920 And you know, the unit that came up, it was a special. 1205 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,040 Thing to see and. Then the broth itself was by the 1206 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,000 mufiqed Ivan Rosner, who we actually interviewed also on 1207 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,280 this podcast about Benjamin and some other, you know, people who 1208 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,440 he lost. So we also linked down the show 1209 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,080 notes and and, and people who want us to that also, I can 1210 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,360 definitely, you know, remember here Avram's perspective on that 1211 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,520 whole ordeal as a Mfakah losing a soldier, which is the fast 1212 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,840 hang dynamic as well. So, you know, in closing you, 1213 01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,760 you alluded to beeping. I mean, you know, I'm sure a lot 1214 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,560 of people have heard of it, but those who haven't, even those 1215 01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,760 who have, can you clarify sort of where the idea came from, 1216 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,800 what, what what it's all about and and sort of where it's 1217 01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,720 headed at this point? Sure. 1218 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,360 So so about. Three years ago. 1219 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:52,040 Before 3-4 years ago actually before the war even started. 1220 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,320 So we bought a house we thought as an investment for AB and B. 1221 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,480 It was a nice size 4 bedroom, 4 separate entrances, 8 bedrooms, 1222 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,320 living room and three living rooms. 1223 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,600 It's really a nice size. I thought, wow, we could really 1224 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,680 buy the second. We were not even looking for 1225 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,760 this. I really, we feel that I 1226 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,920 shouldn't just put it into our heads at the time because you 1227 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,080 knew what we was going to come up with. 1228 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,680 You know, we worked on it for a couple of years once being able 1229 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,960 and passed away. We after a few months we've 1230 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,920 decided we're going to turn this and change tracks and turn this 1231 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,120 into a retreat centre for soldiers, for bereaved families, 1232 01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,960 for Nova survivors, the wives of soldiers. 1233 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,080 And so we've had literally the last two years constantly busy 1234 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,160 during the week, Shabbos's. We have to have families, 1235 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,440 especially towards the beginning of the war. 1236 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,480 We have families who have been away from their spouse and kids 1237 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,960 for hundreds of days. It's an opportunity for them to, 1238 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,520 to reconnect. And I mean, it's really 1239 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,400 beautiful house. It's like a really did it like 5 1240 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,960 star combinations. And we, we pamper them, we give 1241 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,600 them spa, we give them, you know, tours of fat and 1242 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,640 glassblowing and we, all the food is catered for. 1243 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,280 And we also have a lot of retreats as well. 1244 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,560 We have like stripped for retreats. 1245 01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:18,040 We can we can host like 20 people sleeping and we'll have 1246 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,360 to rent out the spaces if the crowd is bigger. 1247 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,240 And we'll have we've had about four or five Nova survivor 1248 01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:30,000 retreats. But recently we have two parents 1249 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,320 and Nova survivors who sorry, those who killed in Nova. 1250 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,960 We've had we started a wives of no when we were struggling, 1251 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,640 seeing their husbands being away and being able to manage a house 1252 01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,080 with young kids. So we've been doing like it with 1253 01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,400 two months online zoom course with therapists and then 1254 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,600 retreats. We have also regular creative 1255 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,440 retreats, soldier retreats, loan soldiers. 1256 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,360 So it's constantly, constantly busy. 1257 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,800 It requires obviously a lot of fundraising. 1258 01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,000 So I'm more involved in the back end the fundraising. 1259 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,960 So I'm actually doing a well, actually, obviously Quran was 1260 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,320 starting doing actually A cause match as well as amnesia 1261 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:13,600 fundraiser for for the year. And, and the retreats involved 1262 01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:20,120 will have will have therapy, you know, yoga and breath work and, 1263 01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,560 and journal therapy and art therapy and, and, and again, 1264 01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,680 also the pampering that comes from the food, the barbecues and 1265 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,680 the spa. And it was it's fat and, and, 1266 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,320 and it's amazing. We have obviously it's a very 1267 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,200 spiritual place. We have a lot of, you know, non 1268 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,200 villagious people who come and they're just and they're really 1269 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:43,560 affected by just being, it's fat and being in our place and, and 1270 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,440 seeing also that it's this bereaved families who are who 1271 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,240 are doing that. So we had we had a couple of 1272 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:53,360 families who they lost their nephew, I think, and you know, 2 1273 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:54,840 nephews. They both families came 1274 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,800 together. They said months later, this 1275 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,600 felt like saying show up and they didn't want to calm, but 1276 01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:01,800 they'd say, you know, we're just going to go. 1277 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,920 And then when they saw that it was a family in their situation 1278 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,960 who'd like built this place and put this all together, they said 1279 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,280 after the Shabbos said that's it right shivers over. 1280 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,720 That's it. We're going to we're going to 1281 01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:15,120 we're going to, you know, confront life. 1282 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,840 We're going to change and we're going to make the most. 1283 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,840 So that obviously means odd to us. 1284 01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,800 It's not a again, it's a two or three day, four day retreat. 1285 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:28,080 It's not long term. But if you can be a place of 1286 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,240 healing where you can start the healing process, that's really 1287 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,840 what we're about. And we had one lady was a wife 1288 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,440 of a soldier who was really depressed and didn't want to 1289 01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,120 come and her friends convinced her to to come to her retreat. 1290 01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,080 And at the end of the three, she said, you know, now I'm ready 1291 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,800 for therapy. That was what she said. 1292 01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:51,480 So that's a big winful answer when someone can say that, you 1293 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:56,480 know, we had a secular soldiers wives and came and while I'm 1294 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,720 still in touch with my wife and she said she now has a she 1295 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,880 learns every week after the brute, every once a week 1296 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,360 afterwards. So this really has a, a very 1297 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,960 profound effect on people's emotional and physical and 1298 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,480 spiritual health. And unfortunately we're all 1299 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,520 hurting, not just those who are lost, but you know, the whole 1300 01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,880 country needs it. We need like another 20 of these 1301 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,960 houses at least. But but but yeah. 1302 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,720 And it's, that's pretty much been young in a, in a, in a 1303 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,439 nutshell. Wow. 1304 01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,960 So thank you for sharing all of these incredible stories and 1305 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,240 the. Resilience and the faith that 1306 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,279 you guys have, you know, expressed publicly for Kali, 1307 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:35,920 Sir, all has been such a source of physics. 1308 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,240 So thank you for for all of that and for all the work in baby 1309 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,080 yummy and happy. We're going to include the link 1310 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,200 to the cosmetics and below people who want to, you know, 1311 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,880 take part in this special product are are certainly, you 1312 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,359 know, welcome and encourage to do so usually end off with a 1313 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,399 quick rapid fire around. So we'll have 3 short questions 1314 01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:50,520 and three hopefully short answers. 1315 01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,720 We're here in the summer. We have these nice long shots 1316 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,520 afternoons finally. So what do you like to do at 1317 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,000 that time? So I try. 1318 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000 And learn a little bit. With the kids and go to 1319 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,680 Kabruzza. And I must admit, I like to 1320 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,640 sleep. I like to be a big reader, so I 1321 01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,680 enjoy reading. So that's pretty much how I 1322 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,439 spend time. Family, friends, join the 1323 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:13,920 company. OK. 1324 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,279 And what's your favorite? Safer. 1325 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:20,479 I'm Harsha Chavoor. So in terms of I. 1326 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,760 Mean at the moment I'm just going through like comments with 1327 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,560 Rashi. So even though it's back-to-back 1328 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,040 to basics, but it takes a lot of time, especially partials like 1329 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,479 now it's like very, you know, definitely complicated. 1330 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,840 So it doesn't leave me as much time to to be as safe. 1331 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,160 I'm reading a little bit on the which I'm going when we spar 1332 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,760 them on the on on the on partial Shahua. 1333 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,800 So I'll look at that for showers. 1334 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,720 But you know a couple of different tour at the rally also 1335 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,800 John and Sachs as a Broadway Sachs as well. 1336 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:57,320 Obviously he's, you know, going to the person to to read, but 1337 01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:02,800 the how much rash is taking a while is maybe one of the. 1338 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,800 Most underrated things that a person could learn so much 1339 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,840 there. And I'm happy to hear that 1340 01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,480 people are are focused on it. I usually end up asking guests 1341 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,600 if they could choose any other job in the world, you know, 1342 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,160 playing a dream as a kid. What would that be? 1343 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,240 But I asked you to switch up this time and ask you, you know, 1344 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,200 Ben Yemen, if you had a dream job to do professionally, what 1345 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,920 do you think that might be? It was. 1346 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,920 Talking about, you know, point of like. 1347 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,320 Probably working with like at risk kids and and people were 1348 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,640 struggling and maybe therapy or something like that. 1349 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,960 I think that's where you would have headed. 1350 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,440 We talked about also like just having a farm in his own in the 1351 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,080 South of Israel. So make sure the two are 1352 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,200 probably putting like kids who at risk on that in that kind of 1353 01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,960 farm environment where they which is like an amazing place 1354 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,080 for them to to heal and to to grow. 1355 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:56,360 So probably something like that. But yeah, now he's he's living 1356 01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:01,320 in the Shiva Shamala instead. OK, robbery. 1357 01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,160 Thank you so much. For coming on today, thank you. 1358 01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:06,360 Wishing you and the family continued physic and Hama and we 1359 01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,520 should only hear good news and thank you so much. 1360 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,280 I really appreciate it. Thank you and. 1361 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:15,360 And yeah, please if if I was interested in and donating to 1362 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,280 our cause, you'll share the line. 1363 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,600 So thank you so much. OK, thank you. 1364 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:20,560 Thank you. Take care. 1365 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,320 Thank you. Bye. 1366 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:23,720 Bye. So let's go back to your Aliyah 1367 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:24,760 story. You you alluded. 1368 01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,680 To this before, as we started to prepare back in Canada for your 1369 01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,960 aliyah, it was really about selling your house, selling your 1370 01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:31,000 business, wrapping everything up. 1371 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,120 So tell me about that decision. Was that sign that you 1372 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,880 considered me be leaving some of your doors open to come back to 1373 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,440 Montreal, things wouldn't work out. 1374 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,240 How did you decide to go all in and and really burn all the 1375 01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,200 bridges? Well, there's a story and I 1376 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:47,640 don't know if it's true or not. But there was a war, and there 1377 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,400 was a general who came in and came to attack the country on a 1378 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,000 fleet of ships. And when he saw that his his 1379 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,800 army was losing the battle on the coast, he set fire to his 1380 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,640 ships. And when the soldiers on the 1381 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,320 ground saw behind them that their fleet was burned and sunk 1382 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,640 and that there was no heading home, they fought onwards and 1383 01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,000 upwards and they were ultimately victorious. 1384 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,480 And I feel that, you know, when I people told me, why do you, 1385 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,160 why do you sell your house? Why don't you just rent it out 1386 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,200 to someone else? Why don't you, you know, why 1387 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,560 don't you keep your business and run it from a distance? 1388 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,680 When I made the decision to move to Israel, I wanted to make sure 1389 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:24,840 that there was number coming back. 1390 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,480 I wanted to make sure that I gave it my all. 1391 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:30,680 So we sold our house and I sold my business and I said, that's 1392 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:31,600 it. I'm not coming back. 1393 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,160 I, I know why I'm moving to Israel. 1394 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,880 It's the place that I belong. And once I get there and go 1395 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,960 through everything to get there, I'm not going to come back. 1396 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,120 So for me, there was no question. 1397 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,800 I didn't want to leave the door open because when you get to 1398 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,080 Israel, you have to totally flip your way of looking at life. 1399 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,720 You have to flip your understanding of what material 1400 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,320 wealth is. You have to, it's a totally 1401 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,280 different culture. You have to, you have to change 1402 01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,800 everything about yourself. And if you're, if you are, if 1403 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,840 you are even considering turning around and coming back and 1404 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,640 saying, hey, listen, if it doesn't work out, we can always 1405 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,480 come back. I don't think you'll be able to 1406 01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:10,200 give it your all. It's just something that's 1407 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,520 something that doesn't work. So you're worried about that. 1408 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,680 I made, I made sure that there was no coming back. 1409 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:18,720 Were you worried about your Paranasa? 1410 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:24,720 Yes, but you develop a in in extremely new sense of Vitaphan 1411 01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,600 and Amuna. About Paranasa, I think that you 1412 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,480 need to make a plan. I don't think you can just show 1413 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,760 up here with empty pockets and expect things to work out. 1414 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,560 It probably won't work out. You need to make a plan. 1415 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,080 Now whenever you invest in a new business or you start a new job, 1416 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:40,680 you don't know if it's going to work out. 1417 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,360 So I guess you can call that worried. 1418 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,200 So I formulated a business, I came up with a business plan. 1419 01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,000 I spoke to a bunch of people, I got some investors and I came 1420 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,800 with a plan. Now, the plan that I made didn't 1421 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:58,080 exactly work out exactly how I intended to work out, but I 1422 01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,560 would tell people that you need to make a plan. 1423 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,160 You can't just come empty handed. 1424 01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,080 Now, if you're a professional and obviously if you can work 1425 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:05,920 remotely, you don't change anything about your life. 1426 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:06,880 Nothing is going to change for you. 1427 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,920 If you're a professional, whether you're a doctor or a 1428 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,480 lawyer and you want to get certified to, you know, come to 1429 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:14,200 Israel and work here in Israel as an Israeli, obviously you're 1430 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,320 going to have Hebrew. For me, I'm not a nine to five 1431 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,880 kind of guy. I can't punch a clock. 1432 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:19,680 I need to, I need to be my own boss. 1433 01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,840 I need to run a business. The part that didn't work out is 1434 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,120 basically, and I went in the same direction, but I've had to 1435 01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,600 pivot, especially two months after I got my business open, 1436 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,120 the war started and my entire business originally was totally 1437 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,560 dependent on tourism and tourism fell through a crack. 1438 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,960 So obviously, you know, you got to survive, you got to you got 1439 01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,960 to keep on moving. But I think if you have the 1440 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,880 attitude that you understand that life is not smooth and 1441 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,760 there are bumps in life. And if you have that attitude, I 1442 01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,040 believe that you can make it, make it work anywhere. 1443 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,120 But it's definitely, it's definitely worth to come armed 1444 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,400 with a plan. You have to have you have 1445 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,360 direction. Great. 1446 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,240 So I do want to hear more about that plan and. 1447 01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,600 The cracks in the plan and the pivots, which we're going to get 1448 01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,080 into in a moment. But you did say something very 1449 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,600 interesting. You spoke about how Elia is a 1450 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,600 complete mindset shift, whether it's your B Tahoe and your and 1451 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,480 your your headspace. So I like that a lot. 1452 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:09,120 And I want to maybe challenge it a little bit because one of 1453 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,760 these stigmas about Bechammesh is that people come there. 1454 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,760 They can live in Israel, but not be Israeli. 1455 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,320 They want to sort of retain so much of their American life 1456 01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,800 while being physically on the land of arts Israel. 1457 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,920 Whereas you're coming and saying you didn't move to Bechammesh, 1458 01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,920 but you also had this seismic shift in, in, in, in your, in 1459 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,440 your outlook. So you talk a little more how 1460 01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:28,160 you've experienced that or how you see other people come to 1461 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,000 Beichemesh. And on the one hand, it's 1462 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,640 understandable to try to transition with the comforts of 1463 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,720 American life, but also understanding, no, no, there's 1464 01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,560 something really deep here. And if you're not ready to make 1465 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,440 that mindset shift, you're not doing all that properly. 1466 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,040 Well listen, people joke and say that there were no missile. 1467 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,040 Landings in Beichemesh because Trump told Hamas that they can't 1468 01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,840 attack any American targets so. So if you want, if you really, 1469 01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,160 really love America, so stay in America. 1470 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,480 If you love America but understand that you don't belong 1471 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:57,800 there, you belong in Israel. So make aliyah coming to 1472 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,440 Beichemesh your transition will be easier because there are a 1473 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,400 lot of Americans if more people would make aliyah, the 1474 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,720 transition would be even better, easier. 1475 01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,240 There would be more financial opportunities. 1476 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,960 The schools would change and we can get into that later. 1477 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,800 Everything would be different. If a wholesome amounts of people 1478 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,560 would come and move here, it would change the flavor. 1479 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,960 But you have to understand that even though you've come to 1480 01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,760 Vechemish and there's a lot of Americans here, it's still 1481 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,120 Israel. You're still going to have to 1482 01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,880 deal with Hebrew, you're going to have to deal with schools, 1483 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,320 you're going to have to deal with the government. 1484 01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,040 You know you want to get a. Driver's license or a. 1485 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,800 Passport or you just want to go on a vacation somewhere. 1486 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,160 Most people you're going to deal with really can't communicate in 1487 01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,240 English. You know, you have to understand 1488 01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,040 that the attitudes that the driving is different, the 1489 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,480 attitude of, you know, whether you it's rude or not to block a 1490 01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:50,840 street. American ideas and manners just 1491 01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,720 don't apply here. I don't think Israelis are rude. 1492 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,400 I just think that they're totally different and America is 1493 01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,920 a totally different animal. So you have to understand, you 1494 01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,720 know, if you've only come to Israel on vacation and you 1495 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,240 stayed at the Waldorf, you don't understand what is really is at 1496 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,320 all because you had someone pick you up, you had someone drive, 1497 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,880 you didn't have to deal with traffic or delays or, or 1498 01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,360 complications or getting a flat tire. 1499 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:10,600 You just never had to deal with that. 1500 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,960 But once again, that's, that's regular daily life. 1501 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,480 I mean, even if you live in New York, you know, you're going to 1502 01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:17,720 have a flat tire, you're going to have to deal at one point 1503 01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,040 with getting pulled over by the police or going to a government 1504 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,560 office or a doctor's office. You know, it's just you have to 1505 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,120 understand it's different and you can't expect everything to 1506 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,800 stay the same. You have to understand that. 1507 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,760 I mean, my wife, since my kids were babies, she would always 1508 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,600 tell them that Aretisol is where we belong and where that's our 1509 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,120 place for us and we just don't live there yet. 1510 01:17:36,440 --> 01:17:37,880 So they understood when we came here. 1511 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,040 Then I think that the, I, I think the only China that I 1512 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,800 have, I and I don't blame someone for growing up in 1513 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,040 America. I did also. 1514 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:48,880 But I think the attitude where people are not taught that 1515 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,520 ultimately Aretisol is our final destination is where we get into 1516 01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,080 problems. Because if people understood 1517 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,120 that and people understood that we have to get to Ariti Stroll, 1518 01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,720 you know, you don't have to get into all the Google Talk and all 1519 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,920 the doomsday talk and you don't have to get into any of that. 1520 01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,320 Even if everything stays status quo, everyone has to know that 1521 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,200 Ariti Stroll is a place where a Jew belongs, where he has the 1522 01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,920 best learning, the doing the best mitzvahs. 1523 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,760 And it's a gift that Hashem gave us. 1524 01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,320 We say it every single day in Shma, We say it in, you know, 1525 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,080 it's, it's everywhere. And just like people just, you 1526 01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,680 know, kind of skip over that they don't learn Tanakh, Yeshiva 1527 01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,080 system doesn't teach Tanakh. I mean some. 1528 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,320 Some parts of the school system do. 1529 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,880 Teach but the haredi system does not teach it at all and at 1530 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,880 minimum they don't they don't tell anyone that every sister 1531 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,160 all is where we belongs the attitude and everyone's thinking 1532 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:33,600 wow, why don't why don't more people make aliyah? 1533 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:34,920 It's because no one ever told them. 1534 01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,080 It's, it's, it's like news. It's, it's a total news flash 1535 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,400 that anyone should make aliyah and that that has to change. 1536 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,320 But obviously you also have to understand that just helps you 1537 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,760 understand in your mind that there's a next step that has to 1538 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,400 be taken once you get here. You have to realize it's a 1539 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,400 different country. This country's only been around 1540 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,000 for 75 years and they haven't figured out everything that 1541 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,240 America's figured out. You know, like I always say, 1542 01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,000 like they, you know, you can't even like mail a letter without 1543 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,560 making an appointment at the post office. 1544 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,880 I mean, this, they've built this country. 1545 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,600 You look at, you look at the skyline of Tel Aviv and you see 1546 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,920 they've built skyscrapers out of the desert. 1547 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,520 But why can't they just figure out how you know how to mail a 1548 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,120 letter without without a problem? 1549 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,600 Like, you know, I don't know, they just haven't figured it 1550 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,360 out. You know, it's like an American 1551 01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,600 mind who's fully American, thus doesn't understand Israel and 1552 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,400 will get very quickly frustrated and become angry. 1553 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,200 And every time you get in your car and try to drive down the 1554 01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,680 street, you're just going to be miserable all the time. 1555 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,560 And you have to come here with an attitude that that Israel is 1556 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,240 a different country and it's the place you're supposed to be. 1557 01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,720 Nothing is perfect. And get with the program. 1558 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:36,760 It's called adopting. You know, when you join, you 1559 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,360 change careers, you have to get used to a new culture in your 1560 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,240 office. So it's no different than that. 1561 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,960 You can't say, well, how come you're not like my old job? 1562 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,680 How come you're like my old, my old office didn't do it like 1563 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,600 that. I don't know. 1564 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:47,280 They, they don't do it like that. 1565 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,280 These changes have to be made. You're, you're literally going 1566 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,720 to the other side of the world and into the Middle East. 1567 01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:56,200 You know things, things are different over here. 1568 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,440 So I really like that answer and towards the end. 1569 01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:00,960 You, you were talking about how like we're, we're younger, we're 1570 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,680 still developing, which is certainly true. 1571 01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,880 But in the beginning, when you start to describe the 1572 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:06,880 differences, you, you surprised me a little bit because you 1573 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,720 didn't say, you know, it's worse. 1574 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,160 And after Charlotte and KSB Surim and you have to deal with 1575 01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,080 it, you said it's different and the manners are different and 1576 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,280 the life cycle, the lifestyle is different and the culture is 1577 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,280 different. You didn't say better or worse. 1578 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,760 You just said different. And then you continue to say 1579 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,440 it's just a mindset. You know, it's a mindset. 1580 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,840 Was that a mindset you had to train yourself with or was it a 1581 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,320 mindset you always had to be able to be so flexible and 1582 01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:30,800 adaptive? Because it's very inspiring. 1583 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,000 It's very refreshing to hear, but I'm wondering if you can go 1584 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,280 a little more to where that comes from. 1585 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,360 No, that the mindset that I have today is not the same mindset I. 1586 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,440 Had when I got here, the mindset that I'm promoting right now is 1587 01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:44,520 a mindset that will help someone survive because when I got here, 1588 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,120 Mayamuna be talking, we're nowhere near that now what 1589 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,000 everyone throws this line around as soon as you get here and you 1590 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,120 start having difficulties that they say, oh, Eric T Stroll's 1591 01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,080 Nick Nabee is surim. You know, first of all, I really 1592 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,720 think that's Aristole's nicknamekasev. 1593 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,480 If you have money over here, that solves almost every issue. 1594 01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,640 You do observe that people get here and they start having 1595 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,200 issues and I believe very intensely that Hashem when you 1596 01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,040 get to Hashem's Holy Land, we know it's a land that spits out 1597 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,680 the people that don't belong here and absorbs the people that 1598 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,800 do belong here. And I believe that there is a 1599 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,480 spiritual purification process that has to happen when a person 1600 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,480 gets to Aristole. And whether you like it or not, 1601 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,720 you're put through the washing machine and you need to develop 1602 01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,680 as a survival technique. And Muna Vitakan, which we 1603 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,320 should have had all along. We should have had it from day 1604 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:31,360 one, even before we got here. But the attitude of that 1605 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,240 everything, that Hashem is in control of everything. 1606 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,840 And you definitely feel it more over here. 1607 01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,360 You know, you need to have that. You can't, you can't continue 1608 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,960 with an American mindset and come to Eric T Stroll because 1609 01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,600 Eric T Stroll will teach you who's boss, Hashem's boss. 1610 01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,040 So you know, once again, everything that happens in a 1611 01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:50,600 person's life is obviously meant to be, but the entire, your 1612 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,640 entire mental health is fully based on how you observe things 1613 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:56,200 around you. Meaning you can, a simple thing 1614 01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,880 can ruin your day or a simple thing could make your day. 1615 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,640 You know, you find a parking spot or you don't find a parking 1616 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:01,880 spot. You know it's a difference 1617 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,720 between you know, it's, it's all about attitude and attitude is 1618 01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,800 created through a Mona Vitakan, the way you observe the world 1619 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,920 around you. So you know, it's, you 1620 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,000 ultimately have to get to that point of understanding that it's 1621 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,920 only Hashem that wrote that rules the world and it's not 1622 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,120 your bank account and it's not your people that you know, it's 1623 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,960 just you and Hashem and you have that relationship. 1624 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,000 And every time you dive in, you understand that you're 1625 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,000 developing that relationship further. 1626 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,240 And as far as I'm concerned, no matter where you are in life, 1627 01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:35,920 you're not going to be happy unless your attitude aligns with 1628 01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,600 those ideas of trusting in Hashem and believing in Hashem. 1629 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,840 And that's the beginning and the end of everything. 1630 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,240 So if you can work on that before you get here, Matova 1631 01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,200 manayim. But, you know, if you don't, if 1632 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,800 you just show up here and you expect things to work out 1633 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,000 because you're American or because, you know, you're paying 1634 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,600 for something or just because, hey, I have an American 1635 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,480 passport, no one really cares. You know, it's just you become 1636 01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:02,640 one of, you know, another 7 or 8 million people who live here and 1637 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,840 you need to make it work. It boils down to your 1638 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,680 relationship between you and Hashem, whether when things work 1639 01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,880 out or don't work out for you, whether you get upset about it 1640 01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:11,560 or you say, hey, that's what Hashem wanted. 1641 01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,640 I'm so I'm, I'm fine with it. You know, most people realize 1642 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:16,160 that. You know the. 1643 01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:17,160 Word aliyah. It doesn't. 1644 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,960 Just mean moving they're going up they're coming for some 1645 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,440 bigger purpose and they know that's going to come with 1646 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:26,320 changes and people know themselves they can they how 1647 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,640 much change can they handle it's it's definitely it's something 1648 01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,000 different and that's why people are willing to come even though 1649 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,080 it will probably cost a lot of sacrifice but it's worth it this 1650 01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,360 is home OK and you live in ormap HMS which is a wonderful place 1651 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:41,800 but. Also, every day a bigger and 1652 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,920 bigger and bigger place with a lot of subsections and 1653 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,040 community. So I don't think we've had a 1654 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,160 guest yet from your community in what's called Mem Shalosh, 1655 01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,600 although we did do a wonderful event. 1656 01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,720 And thank you for your help in arranging the the wonderful 1657 01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,240 Shiratrikorski, which many people have benefited both in 1658 01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,560 person and the recordings. And we we can link that as well. 1659 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,120 So that was very, very special to connect with the Shark Tank 1660 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,120 and Mem Shalosh. But maybe for listeners who are, 1661 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,280 you know, considering different communities in different areas, 1662 01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,600 tell us a little bit about what that's like and why you chose 1663 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,480 it. That's a good question also. 1664 01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:09,440 Yeah, there are a lot of different. 1665 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:13,600 Neighborhoods in rapid shamish, you know, it's a lot of them 1666 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,600 have. Certain things in. 1667 01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,040 Common, as you know, a lot of Americans throughout the Chemish 1668 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,920 and then Memshelosh as well. It is a, you know, pretty 1669 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,000 diversified neighborhood. I would say there is a Talmatura 1670 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,600 like a theater in the middle of the of the neighborhoods, 1671 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,080 regular Haredi theater that has, you know, there's many families 1672 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,160 here that that send their children to there. 1673 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,120 And there's also, as you had held host of the event at Ruby 1674 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,480 Gottlieb School, which is kind of like a more regular Datilo 1675 01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:42,080 me. So I mean, but you know, 1676 01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,400 Datilumi Shul neighborhood, they have another shul that's moved 1677 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,280 down recently called Shari Tila. It used to be up the hill. 1678 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,920 It's really quite a big mix here. 1679 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,640 There are other neighborhoods that say maybe a little younger, 1680 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,520 maybe people with mostly younger kids here. 1681 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,160 We have a lot of young kids, thank God, a lot of teenagers 1682 01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,120 also, and slightly, slightly older families. 1683 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,960 You know, it's, it's, it's Pechamish, it's, it's taught, 1684 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,640 it's, you know, it's right near parks and stuff. 1685 01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,280 I don't know what else is super helpful about it, but it's to 1686 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:11,480 share. But it's, it's a nice 1687 01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:13,320 neighborhood. It's way too expensive, which 1688 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,040 is, you know, the connection between where I live, what I do, 1689 01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,520 just trying to help people being able to, to move here and buy 1690 01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,640 houses, especially the way houses and mortgages are done in 1691 01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,800 Israel. It on the one hand, it's maybe 1692 01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:26,600 good for me that we own a home here and I'm sure it's worth a 1693 01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:28,760 lot of money now, but it doesn't help me if I'm not going 1694 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,760 anywhere. But it is expensive. 1695 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,920 Part of what I work with people to try to to try to be able to 1696 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,240 afford it. It would be nice if there are 1697 01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,240 ways to keep prices kind of more stable, but I don't know, hasn't 1698 01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,160 worked yet, but it's a nice neighborhood. 1699 01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:44,880 That's a great segue to our next topic, but I just wanted to sort 1700 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,240 of zone. In on on one thing, which is 1701 01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,000 what specifically Jovi there was the fact that by golly was 1702 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,560 starting the show or was the building project that attracted 1703 01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,000 you? What exactly brought you there? 1704 01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:56,160 Honestly, we were looking at that point. 1705 01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:59,000 For House. We we gave up on the market 1706 01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,080 coming down and we finally just decided that even though for as 1707 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,880 much as it's cost, we could have bought a whole block in Memphis, 1708 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,600 you know, we found something. And yeah, we knew people who 1709 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,080 moved Herbie Gottlieb's community. 1710 01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,360 We're not like directly on that in that in that development, but 1711 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,200 we're very close by. And they're actually building a 1712 01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,000 neutral even closer to our house than to, to their original 1713 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,760 neighborhood. That's definitely part of it. 1714 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,640 There are people I knew from where we used to live in 1715 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,640 Hermachilo and who I knew from either from Kby or from Yu and 1716 01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,560 Ruby Golly, who of course himself is great. 1717 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,000 It was definitely part of it. But you know, it was a nice 1718 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,560 diversified community with the house that fit our needs. 1719 01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,400 You know, I would say we could have ended up somewhere else in 1720 01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,640 Hermaphaelish also. But we're we're glad we're here 1721 01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,600 and it's very nice. Got it. 1722 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,560 OK, so the next part of this conversation, we're going to 1723 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,280 shift gears a little. Bit as sort of pick your brain 1724 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,800 as a professional, specifically a financial professional, 1725 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,480 someone who spent a lot of time speaking to families, planning, 1726 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,680 executing and living in Israel, making aliyah from America, from 1727 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,160 other places. So it's a few topics in that 1728 01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,640 that we're going to talk about and I guess I want to start with 1729 01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,520 the following. I think you know, you and I 1730 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,080 both, you know, you made aliyah on your own and I was Zoka to 1731 01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,080 come with my parents. You know, many people have made 1732 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:07,320 aliyah. Many people have been successful 1733 01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,920 here, many Israelis who were born here, you know, they live, 1734 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,600 they're not destitute, they're not on the streets, they're very 1735 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,120 happy. So, you know, are there any, 1736 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,520 what are the real, you know, I would say like, why not? 1737 01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,280 Like are there any real financial reasons that you're 1738 01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,240 not, we're not talking to you as a an educator, which you also 1739 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:24,520 are, and a parent, which you also are. 1740 01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,080 But from a financial perspective, are there any real 1741 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:30,400 reasons why a person should be saying, Oh yeah, it's not for 1742 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,920 me. From your angle, that's a tough 1743 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,440 one, but you know, I'd like everyone to. 1744 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,720 See if it's possible, but you know, it's a little bit like 1745 01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,000 moving anywhere else. If you can't afford it, you 1746 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,280 can't afford it. And there are, there are people 1747 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,320 here that can't afford it. I, you know, I deal with people 1748 01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,840 and I see people's, you know, lifestyles and spending habits 1749 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:53,440 and there's a really a ginormous range of, of what people spend. 1750 01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:56,920 You know, a lot of Americans that come here, you know, they 1751 01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,600 really make sacrifices and change their lifestyle or some 1752 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,640 of them make enough money. They could, they could, they 1753 01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,960 could keep their lifestyle, but it can be very expensive. 1754 01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,080 But there aren't people, you know, especially I've met with 1755 01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,120 people coming from out of town, let's say even if they own a 1756 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,480 home, you know, they're their home. 1757 01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:15,480 There is just not worth anywhere near what what it would cost to 1758 01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,360 buy a home in places like around Pechemesh. 1759 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,840 Now, depending on what their family situation is, it could 1760 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,360 be, you know, you may know this better than I do, but there are 1761 01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,240 places outside of kind of the major popular Anglo 1762 01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,360 destinations. If you're not looking at, you 1763 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,240 know, television usual, I am Modi in Renana Pechemesh, you 1764 01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,520 know, that that'll be cheaper. But but I don't know that that's 1765 01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,480 for everyone. A lot of people like coming to 1766 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,800 to these places like Bachemish and some other Anglo heavy 1767 01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,080 cities, you know, because it's a a softer landing and easier 1768 01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:47,680 transition. The schools are, you know, maybe 1769 01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,240 a little more similar to what they're used to and at least 1770 01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,480 speak their language. And these places are expensive 1771 01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:58,160 and even people with really good jobs sometimes have a hard time, 1772 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:03,360 you know, being able to afford a house or or, you know, the cars 1773 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,120 are very expensive here. So it really does depend on what 1774 01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,760 you come with and what your earning power is here. 1775 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,520 Like you said, there are plenty of the national average salaries 1776 01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:16,240 here is very low, 1213 thousand shekel, you know, talking about 1777 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:21,360 less than $50,000 a year, which, you know, in America, if you 1778 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,120 listen to various read various studies or listen to your 1779 01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,680 podcast talking about what it cost to be Jewish in America 1780 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,240 with tuitions and things, it's, you know, it's much, much, much 1781 01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:30,920 higher than that. So there are certain things that 1782 01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,280 are less expensive here, like tuition and maybe healthcare, 1783 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,000 and there's certain things that are much, much more expensive. 1784 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:40,360 And it really depends, you know, if a person is flexible and has 1785 01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,360 the ability to pivot to a career that makes more money here and 1786 01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,160 to pivot their lifestyle to really, really scale back. 1787 01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,240 There are come people that come and don't have a car. 1788 01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,040 People come and move into much, much, much smaller homes. 1789 01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,280 People who are willing to accept that they may may not own a home 1790 01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:57,840 for a long time. You know, there's certain 1791 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,440 government programs that will try to help people, you know, 1792 01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:02,640 have easier entry into our first home. 1793 01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,400 But some people might come and say they're just going to rent 1794 01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:07,200 and the rent is cheaper than buying. 1795 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,760 You know, it's it's something I meet with people a lot about is 1796 01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,960 can I afford to make aliyah and try to like, really understand 1797 01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,280 what their lifestyle is, how that could be adapted in Israel, 1798 01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,800 what their expected incomes or assets would allow them to live 1799 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,320 like here. There are cases where we'll say 1800 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,200 like, wow, this would take a ton of sacrifice, a ton. 1801 01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,880 Or, you know, so again, there's places like that all over the 1802 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,760 world in America. Not everyone could afford to 1803 01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,800 live everywhere either. So I'd like to be able to try to 1804 01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,080 help everyone do it or figure out how to do it. 1805 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,240 But I can't say it's always possible. 1806 01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,400 And I could say it usually will require, you know, some 1807 01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:47,000 sacrifice or some changes to 1's lifestyle, even if it's just one 1808 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:51,040 car instead of two or an attached house instead of, you 1809 01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,160 know, you know, a standalone house. 1810 01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,280 Like, you know, these things are different for some people and 1811 01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,840 it's impressive that people are willing to come different stages 1812 01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,640 in life and and make these sacrifices. 1813 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,640 But I can't say everyone could do it. 1814 01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,680 That would be, I think, a little bit of a jump, right? 1815 01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:07,400 It's very interesting. I mean, you said that it really. 1816 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,880 All surrounds you know a. Four letter, a four word 1817 01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:11,720 question. Can I afford it? 1818 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,800 And I think the word within that sentence that that strikes me 1819 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,120 the most is, you know, it. What is the IT that we're trying 1820 01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:18,720 to afford? And you made reference this in 1821 01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,800 the beginning, you know, is the question of Aliyah, a question 1822 01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,080 of being able to move across the country to a totally different 1823 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,200 type of society, financial system, economy, and to live the 1824 01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,040 same life that I was living in a totally different country. 1825 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,760 As you said, this is a question that anyone who moves from any 1826 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,000 city to other cities. So within America there there's 1827 01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,840 there's some things that are common, but somethings that are 1828 01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,720 very different in the prices and in the markets and in the 1829 01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,840 commute and in the transportation systems and all 1830 01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,440 these different things. So, you know, when I have these 1831 01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:49,040 conversations with people and and I'm not qualified to to have 1832 01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,320 them, but people who reach out to me from the podcast and and 1833 01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:52,360 wanted to talk about. Oh yeah. 1834 01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,480 So really the question comes down to, you know, do you want 1835 01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:57,880 to move to a different country but continue the exact same 1836 01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,800 lifestyle? I don't think that's a very fair 1837 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,480 or realistic question to ask. So like, how is that? 1838 01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,960 Is that what you see also in your conversations? 1839 01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,520 And you're right. Not not, you know I don't. 1840 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,240 I think you're right, most people. 1841 01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:11,080 Realize that you know the word Elliot. 1842 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,160 Doesn't just mean moving like they're, they're going up, 1843 01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,680 they're coming for some bigger purpose and they know that's 1844 01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,840 going to come with changes and people know themselves. 1845 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,520 They can they, how much change can they handle or how much do 1846 01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:25,040 they think they can handle? They, you know, try to figure 1847 01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,520 out, you know, I would say most people realize that they're not 1848 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,240 really just, it's not just the same as moving from Memphis to 1849 01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,640 Cincinnati or from the Teaneck to Fairlawn. 1850 01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,200 You know, it's it's definitely it's something different and 1851 01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,400 that's why people are willing to come, even though it will 1852 01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,400 probably, you know, cost a lot of sacrifice, but it's worth it. 1853 01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:45,800 You know, that's that's it is something more than that. 1854 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,720 You know, it's this is home. This is where we think, you 1855 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:52,320 know, we believe the future of the Jewish people is is going to 1856 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,720 be and those who want to be here on the playing field instead of 1857 01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,920 in the stands. So they come even if it means, 1858 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,120 you know, not having the exact same condition. 1859 01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,360 So you're right, it's not, it's not just like any other move. 1860 01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:05,400 I didn't mean to compare it completely to that. 1861 01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,720 But at the same time, we also have to work out the numbers 1862 01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,120 because at the end of the day, you need a roof over your head. 1863 01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,720 You got to buy food, you got to, you know, have a way to get 1864 01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:14,480 around the job and things like that. 1865 01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:18,720 And then depending on one's skill sets and resources, it 1866 01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:20,480 could take different levels of sacrifice. 1867 01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,840 So I would like you to tell. Us a little bit first of all 1868 01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,560 about you were involved in Ali like you your family's here it 1869 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,440 was always an option it was never an option then we kind of 1870 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,880 catch us up a little bit and then where you're where you're 1871 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,680 at right now because none of you I guarantee I've heard of the 1872 01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,080 community that he is living in right now and it's definitely 1873 01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,840 going to be an interesting thing to hear about so I was born in 1874 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,200 New York City I live my. Most of my child in Boston, MA. 1875 01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,920 I met Aliyah in 2007, Koff Gimel of 2007. 1876 01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,960 I was at the time 12 years and nine months to the day, three 1877 01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,240 months before my bar mitzvah. Exactly how do I know that? 1878 01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,320 Oh, because you're about to come to a place and have a. 1879 01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,240 Bar Mitzvah with nobody you know, That seems like a good 1880 01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:07,400 indicator. There's a better story though. 1881 01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,640 OK here. We go so. 1882 01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,680 I am from a yakish. Family and the Yakish Minhog. 1883 01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:14,400 Is to dua nahas tilen 3 months before the bar mitzvah. 1884 01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:18,520 Oh, you came on your bar, Bayoum on my SO I really wanted to do 1885 01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,120 it on the plane in the galley. And my father was like, no. 1886 01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,600 No, no, no, we're going to go to the hotel can get our first day 1887 01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:24,880 in Israel. It's going to be so special. 1888 01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,760 It was raining. It was August. 1889 01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,800 OK, OK, but so we got. To Ben Gurion and then. 1890 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,480 We went to our house in Beiche Hamesh. 1891 01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,440 We dropped a bunch of suitcases there, but we're still waiting 1892 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,440 for our lift of course. So we went to an. 1893 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:39,000 Apartment in Urshalane for a few weeks. 1894 01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,760 With like some suitcases, but some suitcases in Beiche Hamesh. 1895 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,560 The suitcase in Beiche Hamesh had my pants, your pants, my 1896 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,280 pants. So I woke up in the morning and 1897 01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,600 I only had shorts from the hotel. 1898 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:50,600 Big problem, right? Right, right. 1899 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,800 So you start wearing a shook skirt one. 1900 01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:58,920 Of those baggy pajama pants, the Dropkick Murphy's so we. 1901 01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,280 Worked it out. We found a pair of pants. 1902 01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:01,920 Whatever, it all worked out in the end, but. 1903 01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,280 It was certainly an inventiful 1st 24 hours in Israel to say 1904 01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,480 the least. So I actually did 7th grade. 1905 01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:09,040 In America, I did. 7th grade in Israel. 1906 01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,920 I stayed back here to give myself an extra year. 1907 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:12,800 I started middle school after Aaliyah. 1908 01:35:13,480 --> 01:35:16,360 My transition was overall very smooth with a lot of siak de 1909 01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,520 shmaya. A lot of gratitude to my parents 1910 01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:20,080 and my teachers. Your whole family's here, whole 1911 01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:21,320 family's here. You all you guys all made 1912 01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,080 Eliyazi. As a unit, my parents live in 1913 01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:26,160 Bechemesh. I have four siblings all. 1914 01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,960 Married one lives in Gabat Shamwel and everyone else lives 1915 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:32,160 somewhere far and random. It's pretty far a MO. 1916 01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,400 Russia have heard of moral outside of Haifa and Banana 1917 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,000 Sarim, which we can get into a little bit, right? 1918 01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:38,440 And then the boring one in Gabat Shamwel. 1919 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:41,040 Yeah, seriously, That guy or girl? 1920 01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:43,440 So we're all over. We're all very. 1921 01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:46,880 Well acclimated bar Hashem with a lot of you know, again, the 1922 01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,240 people who do what you have. Done and others who? 1923 01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,000 Come on their own, you know, post yeshiva, it's a, it's 1924 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,840 something I truly look up to and salute, not saying that I had 1925 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,560 any Sayonov. I, I was brought with a very 1926 01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,320 loving family and a home to Israel, which puts me in a, a 1927 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:00,920 different zone with its own challenges, its own 1928 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:02,640 opportunities, which we'll get into also. 1929 01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,160 So I did middle. School in Bachemesh I did high 1930 01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,440 school in. Ushalayim I what? 1931 01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,480 What? What sibling are you before? 1932 01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:10,720 You're the oldest. Yeah. 1933 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:11,840 The deadline was my parents. My. 1934 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,720 Parents said if we don't make all that by Akos bar mitzvah, 1935 01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,560 we're done. Was it a hard transition for you 1936 01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,440 getting here? There's a lot of people. 1937 01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:20,400 Who think by the time their kid is 12 it's already off the 1938 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,360 table. So I'm not here to tell anyone 1939 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:24,920 what to do. I think that if you have the. 1940 01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,440 Mindset that it's possible and your kids are in like a good 1941 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,600 emotional state and academic state. 1942 01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,640 With preparation with Saffish Maya, it can work. 1943 01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,640 I've seen it work like before we made Alia. 1944 01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:37,000 So first of all, my mom and his school in Boston, MA sound to 1945 01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:38,160 them. Very good Hebrew program 1946 01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:39,160 overall. Really. 1947 01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,080 In addition to that, my parents hired the local show Lumi, like 1948 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,360 vignette Kiva girls once a week to like tutor. 1949 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:46,280 Like informal tutor. We used to play popular. 1950 01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:48,480 You knew you were coming. Yeah, like the popular Israeli 1951 01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:49,800 computer. Games we would play with them 1952 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:51,320 in. Hebrew, like after school once a 1953 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:52,440 week. That's so funny. 1954 01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:54,720 Yeah, that's so cute. Your parents just came. 1955 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,280 One time and said this or was there like a family discussion 1956 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,720 or like it was on their mind always? 1957 01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:01,400 Well, did you take a lot of trips beforehand? 1958 01:37:01,480 --> 01:37:04,360 We took one big family. Trip when I was. 10 it. 1959 01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:08,080 Was actually during the week of the Gus Katif Gerouche Mahat. 1960 01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,400 My issue now is actually people who are kicked out of Gus Katif 1961 01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:12,960 are the founders of my issue. So it's a bit of a full circle. 1962 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,840 Wow. So that was summer, fall that 1963 01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:15,840 that was a pilot. Trip. 1964 01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:18,760 No. And it was like it wasn't 1965 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:19,880 really. A pilot trip. 1966 01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:24,880 It was like a soft pilot trip. Then Thanksgiving 2006. 1967 01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,480 My parents came on the. Official pilot trip. 1968 01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,240 They came back and basically said like this is it, we're 1969 01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,520 doing it. March of 2007, my dad came for 1970 01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,040 some work interviews. I came with him, took us in 1971 01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,240 schools and August 2007, here we are crazy. 1972 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,680 You beat semis. Grammar beat semis. 1973 01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,120 Beat semis. I was that that was probably a 1974 01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:43,880 good smooth transition. It was a very smooth. 1975 01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:45,880 Transition. I'm very grateful to my friends 1976 01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:47,280 who. You know, we had a baseball 1977 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,560 team. We had, you know, a sports 1978 01:37:49,560 --> 01:37:51,360 cover. You know, I was a big Boston 1979 01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,400 sports fan. So when I made aliyah, the Red 1980 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,840 Sox won the World Series. Two months later, the Patriots 1981 01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,480 had their eighteen O 1 season and the Celtics won the 1982 01:37:57,480 --> 01:37:59,920 championship in the summer. So only Tom Brady let you down 1983 01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,120 that year. Yeah, it was big bummer. 1984 01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,320 Not a common statement, that's. For sure one giant. 1985 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,160 Loss. Ouch. 1986 01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,760 Yeah, that was love. Wow, OK, fine. 1987 01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:10,920 So you made it. That that. 1988 01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:16,760 Is a big Boston year and then just high school here? 1989 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,480 Whatever. And then the Hebrew. 1990 01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:21,200 I'm sure Hebrew wasn't really on par, but there was good programs 1991 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,640 and everything. It wasn't a big issue. 1992 01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:24,640 Yeah. So overall it was very good. 1993 01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,280 There were certainly challenges. I would say that there's like a 1994 01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,600 big question for our US, you know, guys who made aliyah as 1995 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,080 kids about integration. You know, the parents obviously 1996 01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,200 have a harder time with their Hebrew and their cultural stuff. 1997 01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:37,680 And for me also, I got finished 12th. 1998 01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:39,000 I was in 12th grade looking for yeshiva. 1999 01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,480 And one of the big draws to Karen Biovano was like, they had 2000 01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:43,720 these Americans and I was certainly much more comfortable 2001 01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,440 socially, even after 5 or 6 years with the Americans and 2002 01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:48,880 with the Israelis. So I was sort of in the middle. 2003 01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:52,880 The the real solution to that issue came actually to my wife. 2004 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,760 She really like pushed me as like, you know, we didn't hear 2005 01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,160 enough years. We're not going to have our kids 2006 01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:57,440 growing up with like American accents. 2007 01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,120 Like we really have to like take this next step to integration. 2008 01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:02,560 So I won't say that I was like so smart about it or such a 2009 01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,080 Sonic about it, but it's a it's a challenge. 2010 01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,640 There are people who grew up in Beicheimash, born in Israel, who 2011 01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,200 have like those low level American accents, the first. 2012 01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,760 Girl I ever dated. Oh, she doesn't do. 2013 01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:19,200 This from her whatever and I remember like going out and like 2014 01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:20,680 she was speaking Hebrew. She understood everything, 2015 01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:21,640 whatever. That's usually the case. 2016 01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,680 But her Hebrew wasn't like really Halak, you know, it 2017 01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,320 wasn't. So I was like, what are you? 2018 01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:29,560 What are you doing? That's how I'm supposed to 2019 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:30,360 sound. You know what I mean? 2020 01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,560 I just got here though, right? So my crap to my wife, who was 2021 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,120 like, we're not going to be that zone. 2022 01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:36,040 We're going to take it one step further. 2023 01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,600 Also, you know, we got married. We're in the Caribbean, Nicola. 2024 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,280 So most of like the living families on campus are Israeli 2025 01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:43,520 families. So tell me then a little bit 2026 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,080 about your what? How, how long were you dating? 2027 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:49,320 So. I'm I'm leading the question 2028 01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:51,000 somewhere because I want to get to something, but how? 2029 01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,400 How long? Were you dating I mean your wife 2030 01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,200 like dating in general? Dating was like a year. 2031 01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,200 I found my wife after around 9 months give. 2032 01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,840 Or take or remember the exact and you were dating Israelis or 2033 01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:05,720 always Anglo. I dated 1 Israeli. 2034 01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:08,600 And was it a funny story? No shy, like no shyness. 2035 01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,320 I don't know She she didn't give it enough. 2036 01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,880 It was A1 done so. I don't really know but she was 2037 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,160 farty. Also the only farty girl I 2038 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:15,920 dated. And then we went on a columnoid 2039 01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,600 circus. So we went to Cafe Angels behind 2040 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,600 Takarama Kazi and we sat in the Circa with coffee and and a 2041 01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,040 Rogoloch. And she takes out the Rogoloch 2042 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,080 and makes them Mizonos. And she puts brings up close to 2043 01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,040 her mouth. And I was like going to say like 2044 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,200 Alicia, Alicia, it was like here. 2045 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:34,800 And I was like, just keep your mouth shut and. 2046 01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:36,280 Then afterwards I realized that's. 2047 01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,160 Farty women don't make brachos on delicious on missile. 2048 01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,320 Says She has my own grandma, so it's a good thing I got my mouth 2049 01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:43,800 shut, but whatever. I was my only Israeli date. 2050 01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,960 Yeah, that's so funny. And you felt though, like. 2051 01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:48,360 You. Were going to get somebody 2052 01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,200 Anglo, it was going to be somewhere like me, somewhere in 2053 01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:52,400 between. She also from. 2054 01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:55,800 So my wife is when I met. Aliyah, she was my. 2055 01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,080 Across the street neighbor we lived a one side of her whole 2056 01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,800 Roshan and Bechamish. She lived on the other side. 2057 01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,680 I actually my first initiation with her family is that when we 2058 01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:06,560 got to the house, the first lady, like down the stairs with 2059 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,400 a smile and a welcome, was my future mother-in-law. 2060 01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,480 Nearly one summer later, she was looking. 2061 01:41:11,480 --> 01:41:14,200 For a babysitter for. A son she had five girls at the 2062 01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,640 time was less and two boys, one had special needs. 2063 01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,040 Avram Zimbalist, my heroic and famous brother-in-law. 2064 01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,840 And so she wanted Zimbalist like Fairlawn cousins. 2065 01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:24,760 Oh. That's so funny so. 2066 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,080 She who was your shadow fee? Yes, I out to Michael. 2067 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:32,280 And AJ and Jared and Nikki. But. 2068 01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:34,160 Then so she. Wants to like be more available. 2069 01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,480 To take care of Avram with Down syndrome was one year old at the 2070 01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:38,000 time. Think one or two. 2071 01:41:38,440 --> 01:41:40,240 And she wanted, like, some, like a babysitter to play with her 2072 01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:41,720 older son. Her older son is Ellie MO. 2073 01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:45,000 Ellie Moshe is in bless. So he was like the shotgun who 2074 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,560 brought me into the family. What's his name? 2075 01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,040 Ellie Moshe. That's so funny. 2076 01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:49,160 It's my brother's name. Yeah. 2077 01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:50,360 Ellie Moshe. So Ellie. 2078 01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,560 Moshe was killed in Gaza. Oh wow. 2079 01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:54,800 And he's the one who really brought me into a very, very, 2080 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,880 very special family. So serious nightmare. 2081 01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,680 Wow, that's your brother-in-law. Probably a hard When did that 2082 01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:01,000 happen like? Within the last year or two, 2083 01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,120 June 2000, right after show us, but yeah, that's a whole yeah. 2084 01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:07,960 Though what I was trying to. Understand is that you came 7th 2085 01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,440 grade, 12 years old. Did you feel integrated even 2086 01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:13,200 though your Hebrew was probably good enough? 2087 01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:14,880 How to get by? Did you feel integrated enough 2088 01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,360 that you could have dated straight Israeli and just jumped 2089 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,960 right into that world? Or there's this like buffer zone 2090 01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,520 of your parents are Anglo. Either you're the generation 2091 01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:23,920 that made it or you're not. But you're you know what I mean? 2092 01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:25,840 There's still a lot of like American. 2093 01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:28,280 I think it's war cultural. It's not about language, it's 2094 01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,200 about your. Mindset or could I have made a 2095 01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,280 work within Israeli Of course bro who set it up? 2096 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,200 I probably could have I would have been open to the idea, but 2097 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,720 I certainly felt more comfortable my background my my 2098 01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:38,080 life up until that point. OK. 2099 01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,720 And you want your kids to have the full full? 2100 01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,800 Spectrum. So their Hebrew is very good, 2101 01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,320 their culture. Is very Israeli. 2102 01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:47,560 We're trying to get in some Anglo medos. 2103 01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,080 That is my. It's so funny because when I 2104 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:51,320 first like. Got to Israel. 2105 01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,200 There's a component if you're not like diving right into BTMS. 2106 01:42:55,480 --> 01:42:58,000 So the company is like, I dafka don't want an American bubble. 2107 01:42:58,440 --> 01:43:01,160 I want a little more Sabra, a little more Israeli, whatever. 2108 01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:04,320 But there's dafka things that are like about the, you know 2109 01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:06,560 what I mean, that the angle bring to the table and that is 2110 01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:10,560 not present here that I think are very valuable and important. 2111 01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,600 And you know, that's what they're offering to Israel as a, 2112 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,240 you know, as a broad group. Better show up in customer 2113 01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,800 service sooner or later. All of you were watching. 2114 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,640 I'm not coming. Come here and just get on the 2115 01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,720 phone and start talking to people because that needs 2116 01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,480 improvement for sure. It's a great story, by the way. 2117 01:43:25,480 --> 01:43:27,360 I don't know like a. Good dear family friend, 2118 01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,600 there's. Actually a guy in Ari Deverit 2119 01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,680 from Bichema don't feel Rea. So Rea made aliya from Canada 2120 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,840 Deverit RE deverit sure. So he made with the exact same 2121 01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:37,840 minds, and he's like Israel such. 2122 01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,840 A great country. I believe he's from Canada. 2123 01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:41,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I'm going to make 2124 01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,360 Israel better and I'm going to open up a his first project, his 2125 01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:49,080 first like entrepreneur business was he opened up a auto king in 2126 01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,200 Beijing mesh and he's like, I'm going to open up a car shop 2127 01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,680 where people can feel like, you know, normal customer service. 2128 01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,400 Now Ellie, Ellie, Moshe and Ari were very, very close. 2129 01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,640 Our they were like best buddies. They were 40 year age gap and 2130 01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,360 they were, they were close buds. But also it's about like the, 2131 01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:04,040 you know, the ability to add value. 2132 01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:07,720 So like I, I live now in the sea Shu of a very like Israeli and 2133 01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:08,800 they say, they asked me to give share. 2134 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,720 If the rub's not around for Shabbos, I'll I'll sub in or 2135 01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:12,360 whatever. So like all I have to do is like 2136 01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:15,520 open up like salvicic, like something like, whoa, that's 2137 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,480 brilliant. Because like guys in America, 2138 01:44:17,480 --> 01:44:18,600 like they've heard this stuff before. 2139 01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,480 But like for the Israelis, they're like, wow, that's 2140 01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:22,120 tremendous. So for me, it's easy for them, 2141 01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:24,040 it's enjoyable. So there's no shortage of 2142 01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,600 opportunities for people who want to take some of the best of 2143 01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,400 their angle upbringing and bring it to Israeli world in whatever 2144 01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:30,720 way the opportunities are out there. 2145 01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:31,880 Yeah, I. Definitely. 2146 01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:36,560 Feel like most of the time people who are in America. 2147 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:39,840 Thinking about Israel, I mean, it makes sense, but it's 2148 01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:43,240 something that I think, you know, could use an adjustment, 2149 01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:45,600 which is that generally their mindset is what can Israel offer 2150 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,360 me? They're not necessarily thinking 2151 01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,480 about what they're going to bring to the table and how they 2152 01:44:49,480 --> 01:44:52,640 could add to and, you know, help build what's going on here. 2153 01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,960 But you spend a year till you realize how small it is and how 2154 01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:59,400 much gaps there are, how many gaps there are that you could be 2155 01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:01,440 the one to play a, you know, a significant role in. 2156 01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,000 I feel like often in America, people are not really thinking 2157 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,160 about making a a difference. Gaga, what's a good community? 2158 01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:09,440 I don't know, here, here, here, like, OK, it's everything just 2159 01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:11,920 like more or less operating already. 2160 01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,680 And someone might hear that and might think, well, you know, I'm 2161 01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:15,520 not a big. Entrepreneur. 2162 01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,080 I'm not like one of these guys, but here's the big mistake that 2163 01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,440 people make all the time. It's true someone in America, 2164 01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:23,680 but it's very true in Israel that the country is so dynamic. 2165 01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:27,640 So you might conceptualize your choice of a community like a 2166 01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,840 vending machine, Like there's C4 and I'll click that and I'll get 2167 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:34,320 that sewed up, But it's so much more fluid. 2168 01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:36,800 And so whether you like it or not, things are changing. 2169 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,920 And when you're here, you're by default a part of that 2170 01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:41,280 conversation, a part of that story. 2171 01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,720 You're going to show up. You're going to, you know, have 2172 01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,760 your voice heard at a town hall meeting, at a show board, 2173 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:48,000 whatever it's going to be. So like, it's not like a 2174 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,640 question whether you want to like make a difference. 2175 01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:52,440 Like you're, you're going to be part of a very rapidly 2176 01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:54,560 developing country society community. 2177 01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:56,920 And it's just a matter of like getting that in your head as 2178 01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:57,480 soon as possible.