1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 There's a lot more opportunity than you expect and thankfully 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,440 the opportunities have grown quite dramatically. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,400 I'm a huge believer in a huge proponent in like not coming to 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Israel as a charity case, like much more of the opposite, like 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,600 come to Israel because you know you you will increase your 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,880 quality of life in many cases. Shol Malaysia and welcome to 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,400 starting the podcast about the challenges and opportunities of 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,560 Big A Bentura in the workforce. This week we sit down with 9 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,160 Jeremy Lustman. Jeremy created and leads DLA 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,200 Piper's Israel Group, which includes over 300 lawyers 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,360 throughout the firm. But we barely spoke about 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,200 Jeremy's legal career. That's because we spent the 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,440 entire time speaking about Jeremy's non-stop cassette 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,160 activities, his fascinating alias story, and his tight knit 15 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:50,560 relationship with his Rabaim. My name is Jacob Wolf and this 16 00:00:50,640 --> 00:01:03,720 is start Date. Jeremy Lusman, welcome to Start 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,840 Date. Thank you so much for joining us 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,800 today. Thank you, Ako. 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,840 Thank you for having me. It's great to be here. 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,960 So you actually just got back from Ethiopia, You're originally 21 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,200 from America, you live in Israel, you do business 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,080 globally. So can you tell us what you're 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,760 doing in Ethiopia last week? Sure. 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,200 I was given this unbelievable privilege to take part in a 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,960 fairly small delegation. It was, it was big for the 26 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,120 organization, but it was fairly small. 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,160 We were about 14 people with an incredible organization called 28 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,360 Operation Ethiopia that was founded by a wonderful eye 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,120 surgeon, Morris Hartstein and his wife, Elisa Hartstein, and 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,280 they're based in Renana. I had seen a post actually about 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,240 two years ago, a friend of ours, Jordana Shore, who lives in 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,400 Modi, in had participated in an earlier delegation that they had 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,440 taken to Ethiopia. And it caught my eye just the 34 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,320 the engagement of this group of Israelis, many of them a limb 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,080 going to, you know, very underdeveloped country in 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,720 Ethiopia. My family and I have gone a 37 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,880 couple of times to Ethiopia for Sedaka related trips. 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,520 We got involved many years ago with an organization called 39 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Innovation Africa bringing solar technology from Israel to 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,600 different communities and we had specifically focused on a 41 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,720 community in Uganda. So the idea of Israelis engaging 42 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,920 in Africa, you know, and sort of Orla Goyim and, and raising 43 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,880 awareness and bringing facet sort of on the road caught my 44 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,680 eye And Jordana connected me with the heart stains And I very 45 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,480 quickly learned what they were doing, the incredible work that 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,840 they're focused on. And over the last couple of 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,520 years just stayed in touch and, you know, developed a friendship 48 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,200 and learn more about what they were up to. 49 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:51,240 And then I saw, you know, and then obviously we all paused in 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,760 our own way and all we're dealing with our own journeys 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,240 and challenges over the last year. 52 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,520 But I saw a couple of months ago, it looked like they were re 53 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,480 engaging that Doctor Hart's seen it taking a trip and they were 54 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,560 planning ahead towards a volunteer mission. 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,680 So I just reached out and said, you know, I don't know if if 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,080 there are openings for non medical volunteers, but would be 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,000 very interested if there was an opportunity. 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,040 You know, Long story short, there, there was a spot for me. 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,320 They invited me to come along and basically what what we did 60 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,640 it, it was for for surgeons, for eye ophthalmologist Dr. 61 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:31,240 Hartstein and three others, one one of whom trains with him at a 62 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,280 Safarovan to others and to medical students and to Ho Shin 63 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,520 that had just gotten out of the army, and a couple of others, 64 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,000 some of their close friends from Ronana others. 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,560 And it's all focused on providing eye care to these 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,000 populations in Ethiopia, to literally thousands of patients 67 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,800 in Ethiopia that have virtually no care. 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,360 And So what we did was we were involved in in implementing 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,880 mobile eye clinics, both in the Jewish community. 70 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,080 Normally they operate very heavily in Gondar, but because 71 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,120 of the civil war and the challenges going on there, so 72 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,400 they they weren't going there this trip. 73 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,040 So we focused on the Jewish community in Adis and then a big 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,320 non Jewish community and one of the Christian Catholic 75 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,959 missionaries. And then instead of going to 76 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:23,680 Gondor, we went to a different area in the Tigray region in the 77 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,160 country and where there has been a significant amount of 78 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,120 fighting. And so there are a lot of 79 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,280 Mifunim, a lot of 10 cities, thousands and thousands of 80 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,840 people that literally just have nothing and the ability to 81 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:38,200 provide. I care for them in a very 82 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,400 methodical way, treating them, looking after them, you just see 83 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,000 the scale of what they've created has really been special. 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,160 And and for somebody who's totally not in the world of 85 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,920 healthcare has always shield away from medicine has always 86 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:57,600 been, you know, I've always been challenged by by medicine, by, 87 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,800 you know, by blood, by healthcare. 88 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,080 It's just hasn't been where my strength was. 89 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,800 They really opened up the possibility for a non healthcare 90 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,040 person to really be engaged on the healing side of healthcare. 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,440 And So what we did was those of us who are not doctors, we were 92 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,360 able to use glaucoma machines to test eye pressure and and test 93 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,440 screen patients for glaucoma. We were able to screen patients 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,600 for vision testing, you know, with eye charts and to be able 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,720 to see where they fell. We were able to administer once 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,880 a doctor saw them, we were able to fit them for reading glasses 97 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,120 and acted as essentially a pharmacy to administer drops for 98 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,280 them. So we basically went into these 99 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,600 different areas set up and we all broke into different 100 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,680 stations. There was a whole registration 101 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,160 for component for how you bring a patient in and, and properly 102 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,120 record them and register them. And so there are many different 103 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,560 tasks that we could that we could be involved in. 104 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,320 And then separately, it was just anything that was connected to 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,080 eye care. One thing that they that this 106 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,160 organization has done so beautifully is they've sponsored 107 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,600 cataract campaigns. And so one was last week where 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,560 for each of the five days of the week they had many doctors on 109 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,200 site performing like non-stop cataract surgeries about if I'm 110 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,680 not mistaken, 200 or so a day. So we weren't there, obviously 111 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:18,880 the non doctors of course weren't there performing 112 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,920 surgery, but Doctor Hartstein and the other doctors, our role 113 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,080 during last week was not to actually perform the surgeries. 114 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,520 We, we went into the OR and watched a couple of surgeries, 115 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,320 which was fascinating. Then we had an opportunity to 116 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,560 engage in the aftercare of these cataract surgery. 117 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,400 So the day after the cataract patients are wearing patches and 118 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,600 they need, they need the patches taken off and they need 119 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,080 antibiotics administered and whatnot. 120 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:49,720 And so just be in front of these incredible people, many of whom 121 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,440 are elderly, who have not had healthcare. 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Many of them, unfortunately, from an eyesight perspective, 123 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,880 are blind because they've never been treated. 124 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,360 They're now having cataract surgery. 125 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,280 We have those huss of taking off these patches, sort of putting 126 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:07,320 our fingers in front of them to see if they read our you know #2 127 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,360 fingers, 3 fingers, whatever, carefully. 128 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,400 The, the smile, the tears, the joy when they can is just, you 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,640 know, very, very special. So it was just a special 130 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,080 opportunity. So when I heard you describe the 131 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,840 tent cities and the people who are evacuees, it reminded me of 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,320 an emotion that I felt when Alimosa Shiva was over. 133 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,480 If I memory serves, around Thursday or Friday, the Shiva 134 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,160 was winding to a close and there was the next casualty. 135 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,200 I think during the week of Shiva was it was somewhat quiet. 136 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,040 There was even like a little 24 hour pause or something and 137 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,720 there was another casualty and I had this sort of weird emotion 138 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,760 like like I was so self absorbed in my own, in our own family's 139 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,240 pain. And now I have to like figure 140 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,640 out a way to make space in my heart and to think about another 141 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,840 person's pain. So when you describing coming 142 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,800 from Israel where there's so much going on, so many 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,480 challenges, so many organizations, so much pain, so 144 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,440 much suffering, so much resilience, and then you have to 145 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,840 go and open yourself up to a new world of need, of challenge, of 146 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,400 of pain, of hope. What was that like for you? 147 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,720 It was. You know, I, I would say it 148 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,320 really on, on one hand, it's so humbling to to be there and to 149 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,080 recognize the heartbreak of, of so many others. 150 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,440 You know, we all go through our challenges and obviously your 151 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,280 family has gone through the harshest possible challenge that 152 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,240 anyone could ever imagine. You know, my I my heart and 153 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,280 prayers are continue to be very much with with your family, your 154 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,360 extended family and you know, so heartbroken for what you've gone 155 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,360 through. But everybody has gone through 156 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,760 trauma challenges in in our own way. 157 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,720 And I think that as harsh as those challenges have been and 158 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,480 continue to be for many, it's I think recognizing that there are 159 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,320 many others out there that have had it a lot worse. 160 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:58,640 And even, and even amidst our own challenges, you know, one of 161 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:04,440 the, one of the therapeutic ways, perhaps of, of not moving 162 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,720 past it, but just trying to be as positive as we can in a very 163 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,440 challenging world is just to see what we could do for others and 164 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,240 kind of recognizing that. So that's always been, you know, 165 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,000 a hallmark for me to, to recognize that there are a lot 166 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,360 of people around us and much closer than we think that need 167 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,840 help. And there's a lot of opportunity 168 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,640 to engage and and to and to and to find ways of giving to 169 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,160 others. Right. 170 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,520 The Rambam describes how a poor person is obligated to get stuck 171 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,600 also. And I guess one of the things 172 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,280 you could interpret from there is the fact that it's not about 173 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,120 inserting yourself on some sort of ladder of how sorry you 174 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,560 should be for me, and then just sort of enjoying that place. 175 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,920 You could have your own challenges and still be 176 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,080 obligated to look out for others and care for others. 177 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,480 I think there was actually something that I heard on a 178 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,200 podcast earlier today or, or late yesterday in the Orthodox 179 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:02,560 Conundrum podcast and and Scott was interviewing Dr. Erica 180 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:06,160 Brown, who's a family. Awesome. 181 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,480 OK, I didn't listen to that episode. 182 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,720 She's she's, she's a rock star. She's awesome. 183 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,800 And we had the privilege of being neighbors and friends in 184 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Silver Spring for many years before we moved. 185 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,120 But she was talking about and, and I think she has a book about 186 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,840 to come out next week. So she was talking about, you 187 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,520 know, a lot of different aspects of the challenges of what 188 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,720 everybody's been going through, but she coined the term that I 189 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,640 hadn't heard before, focused on faith in others, You know, and 190 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,720 there's obviously our faith in Visa V Hashem, but there's also 191 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,040 faith in humanity and recognizing the goodness in 192 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,960 others. And she coined the term faith 193 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,960 deposits. Basically, the idea that we come 194 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,960 across so many scenarios amidst our pain that are things that we 195 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,240 need to grab a hold of and celebrate and, and focus on. 196 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,440 And whether that is a kind person who did something, you 197 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,520 know, a person who did something kind for you today. 198 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Whether it's a SIM card that you had, you know, grabbing hold of 199 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,960 that and not looking at positive moments as fleeting in time, but 200 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,600 like almost grabbing a hold of them and almost putting them in 201 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,960 your bank, you know, and kilo, just like you have your banking, 202 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 you put money into the bank and the, and the money is there and 203 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,320 it's growing interest, etcetera. The idea that, you know, we have 204 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,760 to bottle up these positive moments in our lives and thank 205 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,840 God we have many of them. There was a lot to be thankful 206 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,040 for. And just even the small moments, 207 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,920 waking up in the morning and having your spouse near you and 208 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,760 your kids healthy and another day of accomplishment and, you 209 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 know, a great cup of coffee or great walk in the park, what 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,040 whatever it is, there are a lot of positive moments that we have 211 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,600 and bottling those up and putting them into the faith 212 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,240 bank, so to, so to speak, you know, was, was a powerful 213 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,680 concept for me because I think that too often we say, OK, that 214 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,920 was a great, you know, that was a great, you know, Simcha last 215 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,400 week, two weeks ago. But now we're dealing with 216 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,560 hardship and sort of that Simcha has sailed. 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:57,000 And I think that the idea of always trying to access that 218 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,400 bank, even amidst the our, our challenging times was, is, I 219 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,400 think, a very instructive and helpful point. 220 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,840 I just wanted, I didn't want to lose. 221 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Going back, I was going back to the sort of conversation about 222 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,000 October 7th and and you going. Exactly and and and just sort of 223 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,840 finding, finding ways of, you know, recognizing the light 224 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,000 amidst the dark and, and, and giving back, etcetera, with 225 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,240 respect. I'm happy to go down through a 226 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,080 little bit. Is there any when you think that 227 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,240 when you when you mention that idea, so are there specific 228 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,160 deposits that you find very meaningful that you draw upon 229 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,640 when you're having harder times or reading tougher news? 230 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,400 Sure, there are a lot of them. Yeah, I, you know, I, I'm a big 231 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,880 believer in, you know, like using a baseball analogy. 232 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,600 Obviously we all want to swing for the fences and want to hit 233 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,680 home runs, but I'm a big believer in singles. 234 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,760 And I think singles, you know, you get on base, you advance the 235 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,960 ball, you move forward. It's a positive stat and it's 236 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,280 something to, you know, be proud of. 237 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,280 And I think that too often we look for the grandest type of 238 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,000 things in life and we lose sight of the Matano Ketano and that 239 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,440 that song, you know, the Rami Klein shine song, Matano Ktano 240 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,240 really like moves me because it's, it's the just the idea of, 241 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,600 you know, we all have a lot of brothels from Hashem. 242 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,720 You know, we wake up in the morning and we've been able to 243 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,760 sleep and we're breathing, thank God. 244 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,080 And we have our spouse and we have our children and we have a 245 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,920 parnassa and we have a community and we have friends and we have 246 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,080 so many things that on a day-to-day basis, we so often 247 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,360 naturally take for granted. And so I, I would say more often 248 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:35,160 than not, what I sort of go back to is just recognizing how long 249 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,240 that list of Matano Katanodar. And obviously, if I'm in the 250 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:43,600 midst of a positive, you know, work transaction or we're in the 251 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,680 middle of celebrating a SIM car, anticipating a SIM car, there's 252 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:49,920 a, a vacation or there's something positive to be excited 253 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,280 about. You know, I, I try to try to go 254 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,240 there, but I, but I would say what, what really drives me and 255 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,600 what, what, what I've, I've learned to become more and more 256 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 grateful of is, are those small things in life 'cause I think at 257 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,800 the end of the day, for most of us, it, we can all point to 258 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,920 something, even small things that put a smile on our, on our 259 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,240 face. And, and, and, and it, you know, 260 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,120 I would say that idea is very like the Labava Churabi talks a 261 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,040 lot about, you know, the opposite of lush and horror is 262 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,640 not withholding from lush and horror, but it's a really lush 263 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,600 and atov. And the idea that a positive 264 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,280 word, a good word to someone on, on a day, on any given day is 265 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,400 not just OK, you said, you said a night, you said good morning. 266 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,560 How are you, you know, and, and that's the end of it. 267 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,080 But there's a very good chance that that person was probably 268 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,000 could have been in in the dumps and was feeling down and you 269 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,600 acknowledging them and raising them, you know, made them feel 270 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,400 positive. And they're going to now go home 271 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,560 and treat their family in a more positive way. 272 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,320 And they're going to feel empowered. 273 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,640 And I think like, it's such a small thing to be able to do to 274 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,880 kind of recognize all of those moments they spoke a lot about. 275 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,680 And I remember, I don't remember if it was for Moshe Feinstein or 276 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,400 Yaakov Kamenetsky. I think I think maybe both of 277 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,920 them. But there there were these, you 278 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,640 know, the stories that they would walk on the street and 279 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,320 they would, you know, say good morning. 280 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,240 And it could have been a Catholic nun or it could have 281 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,160 been, you know, someone else. But just, you know, covered up 282 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,840 Rios. And recognizing the small things 283 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,480 in life can really make a big difference. 284 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,640 And I think that that's a similar attitude when it comes 285 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,120 to just being grateful for what we have and even those small, 286 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,480 those small points. And growing up, my favorite 287 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,840 Jewish baseball player was Kevin Yukilis, and he was known for 288 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,480 getting on base. So I didn't realize that his 289 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,440 model and his strategy was so useful in in leading meaningful 290 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,440 life. But I appreciate that. 291 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,240 And I'll, I'll have to keep that in mind. 292 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,680 I like that. So maybe I would just take a 293 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,840 little step back because you're involved in a lot of different 294 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,120 stuck out initiatives, nonprofits or other 295 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,600 organizations and missions that you are involved in. 296 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,240 So community, take a little step back and and give us a big 297 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,000 picture of how you look at that a very significant portion of 298 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,400 your life and your energies. Sure, yes, I, I wouldn't say 299 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,000 like there's any, any specific like instructive book for me 300 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,440 specifically. I think that I, I look at my 301 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,600 world as most of us do in, in various concentric circles, 302 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,560 right. We have our own immediate 303 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,080 family. We have our, you know, reaching 304 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,800 out a little bit. We have our own immediate 305 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,080 community. So for all of us, I think the 306 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,720 idea of, you know, trying to see that your family is well taken 307 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,680 care of within your own community. 308 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,400 We all live in communities that have, you know, those who are 309 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,720 suffering and need help and trying to tie into that and 310 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,880 finding ways of helping there. And then more broadly, it's just 311 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,240 a matter of identifying those causes that really have impact 312 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,920 and really have impact. And it's something that you 313 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,120 know, speaks to each of us, you know, if you've got a friend or 314 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,520 a family member that has gone through, has gone through 315 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 challenges economically. So looking at food security and 316 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 things that relate to food security like Lecked is 317 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,000 something that speaks to you. If you have members of your 318 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,080 family that are developmentally disabled, you look at the 319 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,080 incredible work of Shalva and what they're doing. 320 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,960 If you've had family members that, you know, have had 911 321 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,240 type moments and truly have suffered, would have suffered 322 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:13,800 but for the incredible Herculean efforts of Mada or Ihur Hatala, 323 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,760 et cetera, You, you, you totally buy into what they're doing. 324 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,720 So I don't think it's so hard for us to kind of think even 325 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,000 within our own circles of those causes that, that speak to us. 326 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,960 And so I, I, I would say those are, those are the types of 327 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,800 efforts that, that, you know, that really interests me. 328 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,120 And, and specifically in Israel, I think that we have a 329 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,640 mentality, especially as especially as a as a limb, that 330 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,600 nothing is too far removed from us. 331 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,840 You know, in America, when you think about big organizations, 332 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,600 when you think about big Amuto, you know, they're located 333 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,160 thousands of miles away from you. 334 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,840 Your ability to actually get in front of them, to actually 335 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,960 engage and have an impact is is limited. 336 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,880 Your ability to get away from work and travel and your ability 337 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,280 to get to people senior in the organization is really hard. 338 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,560 And most of the time it's not going to happen. 339 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,320 Whereas in Israel, you know, we only live an hour or two away 340 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,120 from almost everywhere. Your ability to access is right 341 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:12,840 there. You don't have to wait months 342 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,280 and months to get a meeting. You can just show up and you 343 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,840 know, and maybe you have to network a little bit to get to 344 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,360 the right person, but it's 2 steps removed, not 6, not 6 345 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,440 steps removed. And I think that there is a 346 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:32,520 real, there's a real drive and a real interest to, to find ways 347 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,040 of giving back. And, and the fact that it's so 348 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,000 accessible and, and available really makes that all the more 349 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,320 attractive. So I remember, I remember over 350 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,360 COVID specifically, one thing that kind of comes to mind where 351 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:49,440 I started getting involved in Hatzalah was everybody was home. 352 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,240 We were all dealing with COVID. In the early days of COVID, 353 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,320 there weren't any big fancy dinners or anything like that 354 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,440 where fundraising was going on. But I had an opportunity just 355 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,720 through my relationships. I had met Ellie Beer before and 356 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,720 I had known other volunteers in Hatzalah and our offices in Tel 357 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,840 Aviv. And we try to be very engaged in 358 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,480 the local Tel Aviv community. And I remember just hearing from 359 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,440 one one of the people within Hotzala that there are a lot of 360 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,320 Hotzala volunteers in Tel Aviv like on a daily basis. 361 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,320 And we just sort of came up with the idea, you know, why don't we 362 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,600 just sponsor, you know, burg like a lunch, a burgers, a 363 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,000 burger lunch for them, you know, just sort of put the word out 364 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,840 that between, I don't know, three and six. 365 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:38,120 We did it at Bodega, you know who are awesome, you know, and 366 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,120 you know, it's incredible, credible business, incredible 367 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:48,000 family that that runs it. And we, we, we went to Bodega 368 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,280 for three hours and we basically just sort of opened the tab and 369 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,000 word went out OK for outs, all the volunteers, you know, 370 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,400 there's for sponsoring a lunch, you know, at the end, I don't 371 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,600 know, maybe 8090, a hundred people came by, very modest 372 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,600 costs, very reasonable. But like, you know, the ability 373 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,240 to sit with these heroes. Share a bite with them, tell 374 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,240 them how much you appreciate what they're doing. 375 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,920 Express a car Sato. To me, that was actually like a 376 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,800 very telling opportunity that it's not all about things in big 377 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,600 lights and fancy, you know, affairs that you know, that 378 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,480 often times are looked at as ways of getting involved in 379 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,280 organizations. You can really in a grass roots 380 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,360 way, find opportunities to get involved and to engage and 381 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,600 create an impact. And it also just, it just sort 382 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,880 of brought to my, to my mind, the concept of brand 383 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,200 ambassadors. I have a good friend in, I have 384 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,760 a good friend in, in Silver Spring, Jeremy Epstein, who's a 385 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,600 real guru in marketing. He taught me a lot. 386 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,120 And he often talked about just the idea of like creating brand 387 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:55,640 ambassadors that at the end of the day, it's not about how you 388 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,080 can spread the word, but it's finding others who can go and 389 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,600 spread the word out for you. And it's almost like the 390 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,280 multiplier effect, right? Rabbi Sachs talks a lot about 391 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,200 the difference between power and influence, right? 392 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,840 He talks about, you know, Moshe was the epitome of somebody who 393 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:13,440 who was influential and essentially took what he had and 394 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,320 tried to replicate it and and give over what he had to so many 395 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,400 others, you to Yoshua to this Kanem, et cetera, et cetera. 396 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,840 And you know, Moshe's influence ended up multiplying 397 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,560 dramatically, whereas Koroc, his cousin who wanted power, looked 398 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,000 at the world of power. Power is, you know, maxed out at 399 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,160 100. And if you talk about dividing 400 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,400 power, so by definition, you're talking about taking something 401 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,960 away, whereas influence you're talking about creating a 402 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,920 multiplier effect. So I think like in the world of 403 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,400 has said, especially in Israel, especially with the connectivity 404 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,640 that we have to a lot of Ammu toad and the ability to get in 405 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,960 front of them and find ways of engaging, there's a real 406 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,920 opportunity to become brand ambassadors. 407 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,480 And I saw that through that Hatzalah event that wow, you 408 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,240 know, here's a way to do a small event couple 1000 checkout. 409 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,880 But we touched a nice group of volunteers and, you know, now we 410 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,160 want to go out there and spread the word and find ways of, of 411 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,200 giving Hakara Satov to other volunteers and finding other 412 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,200 people who might not be aware of what Hatzalah is doing. 413 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,120 You know, I think it's similar with like it like it has their 414 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,920 warehouse now and everything incredible that they do there. 415 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,800 But they have farms all over the country and they have individual 416 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,200 farmers who are, you know, who need guidance and help and 417 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,200 etcetera. And I think to kind of recognize 418 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:33,440 the ways of, of bringing has said making has said accessible 419 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,720 to the masses and being able to spread the, the incredible work 420 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,360 of these organizations is, is something that really speaks to 421 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,440 me. So your own family community and 422 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,360 then just like I said, the broader initiatives that speak 423 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:49,720 to us. So, so for, for me, me and for 424 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,640 our family, it's, it's really been looking for those 425 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:57,520 organizations that, that have those who are in need those, and 426 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,200 I mentioned a few of them, Shalva and Hatzala and, and 427 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,320 Lekkad and, and various others. And then, you know, we've tried 428 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,240 to sort of bring that into the workplace and recognize the 429 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,560 importance of just being good citizens and doing whatever we 430 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,680 can to be involved in in the broader community. 431 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,920 And so we've opened up just the idea of has said within our 432 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,360 team, you know, to just for everyone has their own their own 433 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,800 passions. And, you know, we want it. 434 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,240 We want everyone to kind of come and feel that they can create 435 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,600 opportunities for us to do things as a team together along 436 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,800 different fronts. And yeah, you know, it really 437 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,760 creates really it's a, it's a, it's a special effort to be 438 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200 involved in because you feel good about what you're doing. 439 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,240 It's a way of bridging and bringing people together and how 440 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,720 it's, it's something that I'm very appreciative for. 441 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,000 And I'm going to take a guess here, correct me if I'm wrong. 442 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,240 My guess is that the Jewish people are so blessed with so 443 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,880 many wonderful people and organizations and who really 444 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,120 want to do good in the world. But I, I'm going to go out on a 445 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,440 limb and say they're probably more people and organizations 446 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,960 that approach you to be involved. 447 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,440 Then you have the capacity, you're very energetic, involved 448 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,240 a lot for things. I'm assuming there's some number 449 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,280 of organizations that come to you and say, Jeremy, let's do 450 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,480 things together. And you say no for various 451 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,280 reasons. So it could be that you 452 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,320 mentioned your personal preferences, that sort of one 453 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:19,320 thing. Are there other things that 454 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,920 you're looking at when someone comes up to you with an 455 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,920 initiative that you want to try to dig and understand better and 456 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,880 do sort of what are the takeaways? 457 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,840 People who want to start different tested projects as to 458 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,040 what you personally would sort of coach them and how to build 459 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,280 organizations, build their case in order to create engagement 460 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,040 with other organizations. Right. 461 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,240 You know, I'm a big believer that that that time, sometimes 462 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,320 to my own detriment, but that, that even though we live in a 463 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,400 day of 24 hours, you know, those 24 hours can be stretched. 464 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,760 And on one hand, we don't want to stretch ourselves too thin. 465 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,280 On the other hand, we don't want to miss opportunities to be 466 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,840 engaged in, to be involved. And I think like there are many 467 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,520 organizations that approach me that I've engaged with that I've 468 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,680 had an opportunity to meet. And, you know, the ones that I'm 469 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,360 passionate about and the ones that I buy into right away are 470 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,920 ones that I want to be more involved with. 471 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,960 And sometimes that involvement is financial. 472 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,840 And just to, they weren't on my radio radar previously. 473 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,680 And you know, I, I, you know, they now are and it's important 474 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,880 to get to their 'cause there are others that rise higher and just 475 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,640 say, wow, there are ways that I could actually like spread the 476 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,760 word of what this organization is, is doing to, to, to the 477 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,760 masses and to broader numbers of people. 478 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,120 Another one that that comes to mind. 479 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,280 I actually just on my way here, I had a great opportunity to sit 480 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,000 with Nachem Wasafsky. Wasafsky, who's the runs gears, 481 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,200 which is an incredible amuta in Israel, providing to thousands 482 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,720 of kids in the periphery each week mountain biking who gave 483 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,680 him to try and especially for many who are coming from broken 484 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,000 homes, broken communities to give them Bhita Konatsumi 485 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,160 confident independence building and really changing lives of 486 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,920 many kids. And they do a great bike ride, 487 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,360 charity bike ride, raising money for the organization once a year 488 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:06,120 for two days caught my eye again another post that someone had 489 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:10,080 done over COVID that they got fifty 60-70 guys at the time. 490 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,160 I was intrigued by what they were doing. 491 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,320 I wanted to learn more had a chance to meet Nachum and I'm, 492 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600 you know, they, they run the organization together and very 493 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,280 quickly saw that this is a great opportunity to be with a Kevra. 494 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,720 It's nice to do classed with other people and not do it alone 495 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,680 to do something fun to raise awareness. 496 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,600 Other times it's, you know, just having role models and and 497 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,000 heroes that you really look up to who are engaged and it's 498 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,960 almost like they're they're Haskama for what the 499 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,720 organization is doing, like a a great one, like, you know, and 500 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,360 just not to play favorites. And not to mention him 501 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,800 specifically because I'm talking to you, but I'm a huge fan. 502 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Love your dad. Have developed a close 503 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,320 relationship with him over the years and years ago he got me 504 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,240 turned on to Kablan or and just understanding the incredible 505 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,240 work that they do and what he's done and again recognizing that 506 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600 they're a humble organization mom and pop. 507 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,560 I'm saying that in a positive way, like not, you know, overly 508 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,480 bureaucratic and very effective and very impactful. 509 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,760 And certainly since October 7th, what they've done has been 510 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,080 unbelievable. And he introduced me to Ellie 511 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,600 and others in the organization and we had an opportunity to be 512 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,320 involved in the marathon and was able to give some financially. 513 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,400 And now like with seeing the incredible impact that they've 514 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,760 had and how not easy it is to have impact, but like how 515 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040 effective how can be in creating impact. 516 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,840 It's with your dad's encouragement and Josh Hexter 517 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,440 and others, it's an, you know, organization that I'm getting 518 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,280 more involved in now, which I'm grateful for. 519 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,440 So sometimes you never know where the where the exact impact 520 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,640 will be or the exact where the exact involvement will be. 521 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,080 But I think it's like just keeping your eyes open. 522 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,440 And I think we all have an ability to recognize the people 523 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,880 and the efforts that we want to be connected to. 524 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,240 Sometimes you come across a great person, you have a great 525 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,920 interaction, You're like, you know, I don't know how I'm going 526 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,280 to engage with this person again, but I really want to find 527 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,560 a way of doing so. You know, or my wife and I talk 528 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,000 a lot about, you know, people that uplift us and those that 529 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,080 don't uplift us. And we want to focus our efforts 530 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,920 on those friends, on those relationships that uplift us. 531 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,760 And I think it's the same thing with with people that you engage 532 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,720 with and organizations that sometimes you come across an 533 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,400 organization, you're like, wow, they are doing incredible 534 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,600 things. I know I want to find a way of 535 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,000 being involved. And I don't know how that's 536 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480 going to take shape. But OK, you know, maybe it's an 537 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,560 initial contribution or maybe it's an initial going to one of 538 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,440 their events, or maybe it's just reaching out, you know, 539 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160 recognizing the value of relationships in Israel and our 540 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,880 ability to get to people fairly quickly. 541 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,240 You know what, I really want to learn more and I'm going to 542 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,080 reach out and try to have a coffee with somebody senior in 543 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600 the organization. So I would say my, it's a long 544 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,280 way of getting back to your question, but I think the, my, 545 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,320 my biggest word of, of guidance is just like, don't make quick 546 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,840 judgements other than quick judgement that this is something 547 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,840 that I want to be involved in. But if you don't have the exact 548 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,760 answer as to how or in which way or what exactly you're going to 549 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,720 do, just keep an open mind and you know, and be proactive and 550 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,440 follow your passions and, and listen to what others are doing. 551 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,040 I think after October 7th, the amount of festive that was going 552 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,680 on in the country rose to unbelievable levels. 553 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,800 And you just saw the incredible octos and you saw so many ways 554 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,280 that the goodness of of what people were doing and you just 555 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,360 wanted to be a part of it. And whether it was barbecues or 556 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,240 packaging things for soldiers or picking in the fields or going 557 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,840 to visit, you know, our our holy soldiers and those who were 558 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,040 injured in rehab centers, you know, there's no end to ways of 559 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280 being involved. And I think we just saw that, 560 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,040 you know, no one wants to restrict has said. 561 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,560 And just just to look for those opportunities. 562 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,120 Right. That's a great segue to my next 563 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,920 question, which is I've heard this from people just to to 564 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,520 frame the question this way, you're friendly and a sort of 565 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,440 similar age to my father, my father-in-law. 566 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,000 So with friends in my generation who are a duration below who are 567 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,600 younger, starting their families, starting their 568 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,600 careers. I've heard people say, you know, 569 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,400 when I'm in Jeremy's place in life and I'm a partner and my 570 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,840 kids aren't so little and wake up at all hours a night, then 571 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,320 I'll be able to do lots of classes. 572 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,720 Then I'll be able to do a lot of other things. 573 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,320 But now I'm stretched by my own sort of getting my career off 574 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,920 the ground, getting my family off the ground. 575 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,760 But you were talking about the fact that we should be looking 576 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600 for ways to sort of stretch ourselves in in the right way 577 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,200 for Hussed. So maybe you can talk to that 578 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,040 point a little bit to those who are a little more, feel more 579 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,440 bogged down by the day-to-day of their careers and their families 580 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,440 and don't feel like they have the space for Hussed right now. 581 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,240 Right now it's a great it's a great question. 582 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:43,240 I think that you know, the world of hussed is, is is this 583 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,600 incredible continuum and it's not all or nothing. 584 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,000 And I think if you just subscribe to the fact that it's 585 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,800 not all or nothing, we all have time for some cassette. 586 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:57,680 And again, going back to I said on a very human level is just 587 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,240 train yourself to say good morning to people and keep your 588 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,280 eyes open for people who might need something. 589 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,560 When you and I were walking into the building and you noticed 590 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,040 someone who was looked a little bit lost and being able to say, 591 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,800 could I help you? Like that's a cassette. 592 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,160 So I think like I said, on a very basic level is thinking 593 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800 about others and not thinking about yourself, just sort of 594 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,880 looking outward. So I think that that's that's a 595 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,440 no brainer, no matter how small or big you are, even the 596 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,680 youngest kids, I think, you know, you see those kids in 597 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,760 Shoal that are like at an oof roof, like running to grab candy 598 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,160 bags for other kids and do something for others. 599 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,720 So I think a lot of that is in the home. 600 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,360 Follow the role models of your parents, grandparents, seeing 601 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,840 what they've done and recognizing that the ability to 602 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,320 instill cassette from a philosophical perspective is not 603 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,280 that challenging. And then from a from a timing 604 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,320 perspective, those in earlier stages of career might not have 605 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,200 as much time, but maybe it's as a family saying, OK, you know 606 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,160 what, on on on Friday, instead of going out to breakfast with 607 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840 my wife or whatever it is. So maybe we take a drive and 608 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,800 grab a coffee and instead go go and visit someone in the 609 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520 hospital. Or I think like finding small 610 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,720 moments is much more accessible than than people recognize. 611 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,160 And I would say when I was your age, I was also like cautious 612 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,400 with, you know, organizations would approach and be like, you 613 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600 know what, I and we were living in America at the time. 614 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,720 And it's like, you know, I don't have a lot of money to give you. 615 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,080 You don't want my $10 check, my $18.00 check, my $36 like OK, 616 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,320 And it enforces you to give and to be approached is humbling and 617 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,320 you want to find opportunities to give. 618 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,240 But you know, I would say for me, it's been a sea change being 619 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,240 in Israel because I, I feel that the combination in America of 620 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,000 both being a younger person without funds to give and real 621 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,960 time to donate. And at the same time feeling 622 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,720 that, OK, I'm writing a check to some organization that's in 623 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,760 Brooklyn, NY, I'm in Maryland or in Chicago, IL, I'm in Maryland 624 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,160 like they're not going to know me. 625 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,400 I'm not going to have any ability. 626 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,600 Whereas in Israel, I think that we should feel empowered with 627 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,880 the fact that there's fuss at all around us and, and there's a 628 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,800 lot of opportunity in your own Daladamos and whether it's your 629 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120 Shoal, whether it's your kids school, whether it's, you know, 630 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,240 and to just say, OK, I don't have all the time in the world, 631 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,920 but I'm happy to be part of an advisory committee. 632 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,480 I'm happy to help raise some money. 633 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,920 I'm happy to send a couple of emails. 634 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360 I'm happy to, there are a lot of things that we can do to be 635 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,040 engaged. And I think because in Israel we 636 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,200 have the accessibility to these organizations and to the people 637 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,480 who are running the organizations and organizations 638 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,080 to actually know who you are. I think it's empowering for even 639 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,880 the youngest among us to find ways of being involved. 640 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,000 You had a great definition of hased where you talked about 641 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760 looking outward and being sensitive to the world around 642 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160 you and being there to, to to help others, which I think is 643 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,040 very, very beautiful. And I think it takes us to the 644 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,240 question of aliyah. I just had a conversation last 645 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,960 night with someone who's considering aliyah and it was 646 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,440 very heart warming to hear the tone that you were expressing 647 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,520 before with your own aliyah. You know, we can call it impact 648 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:00,720 aliyah. Like I'm going to come and see 649 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,800 where I can get where I can help and where I can be hassed 650 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,480 oriented in my aliyah, Whereas sometimes I'll speak to people 651 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,600 who are considering all yeah, and it seems to be a much more 652 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,360 will able to get the salary that I'm looking for, able to get the 653 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,560 house that I want to live in and get the community get, get, get. 654 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,280 So I'm wondering if you talk to that point and how you, you 655 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,120 know, what your advice would be for Olean as far as having that 656 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,360 impact all. Yeah, focus. 657 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,480 And may I'll just add one more point to the question, which is 658 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,120 the fact that knowing a lot of Israelis as I do now, like you 659 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,239 don't necessarily want to be an Israeli feeling like the 660 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,440 Americans coming like fix you and you're like their charity 661 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,239 case. So we can talk about the your 662 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,920 Aliya journey a little bit and then how you have it as a Hassid 663 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,360 focused journey in your case. Sure. 664 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,360 So I mean, I, I, I'm also like you, I'm very involved and have 665 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,080 engaged certainly in the last year, certainly before the last 666 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,560 year, but much more front and center in the last year, 667 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,239 particularly in the legal community. 668 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,560 There are a lot of lawyers in the United States, some in 669 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,800 London, but more in the United States that are trying to find 670 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,920 their way to Israel. And I think with everything 671 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,240 going on in Israel, anti-Semitism in the United 672 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,360 States and just sort of people taking a step back from life for 673 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,320 30 seconds, just saying, is this, is this where we see our 674 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,080 legacy? I remember having a coffee a 675 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,560 couple months ago with my good friend Noam Eisenberg. 676 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,760 And we were just talking about the idea of, OK, 40 years ago, 677 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,800 30 years ago, you would be sitting in American. 678 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,960 You'd be able to look ahead in four years and say, OK, this is 679 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,840 what, you know, my life in America is going to look like. 680 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,640 Or would you have stayed if you could forecast? 681 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,000 And I think the the ability now to, you know, we're living 682 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,680 through historic times, unfortunately with a lot of 683 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,320 pain. But I think it's created a real, 684 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,320 it's really crystallized for so many the unbelievable gift of 685 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,280 Mitya not used to all that we have and the opportunity that we 686 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,480 have to be here. And and understandably, you 687 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,240 know, in America, there's very much a mentality of I need to 688 00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:02,200 make X in order to live even a modest lifestyle. 689 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,960 You know, if I have multiple kids and I want to put them 690 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960 through day school tuition and I have I want to buy a home in a 691 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,200 religious community, you know, that is attractive and, and 692 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,880 healthcare costs, etcetera. You recognize that there's a 693 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:23,720 real pressure that while I need to actually make like a lot of 694 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,320 money from, you know, when we were younger, like just sort of 695 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,800 the numbers of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars 696 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,320 before I can even save a penny. And I think part of the 697 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,920 conversation with future O limb here is a there's a lot more 698 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,360 opportunity than you expect. And thankfully the opportunities 699 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,840 have grown quite dramatically. I'm a huge believer in a huge 700 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,840 proponent in like not coming to Israel as a charity case. 701 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,080 Like much more of the opposite. Like come to Israel because you 702 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,560 know, you will increase your quality of life in many cases. 703 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,480 I'm again, I'm not denigrating a lovely life, a wonderful life in 704 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,120 in Maryland, a lot of hot cars that told I don't look at the 705 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,760 United States. I can't believe I live there. 706 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,800 I'm so grateful that I lived there during the years that I 707 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,400 lived there, but I'm so even more grateful that I moved to 708 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,200 Israel when I did. And I I think that just the 709 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,320 concept of being here is overwhelming for so many. 710 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,720 How are we going to do it? Where are we going to find a 711 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,600 community? How are we going to make ends 712 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,920 meet? And when you distill it and say, 713 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,800 first of all, thank God, the old limb community here has grown so 714 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,200 dramatically. And it's not only like families, 715 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,720 but it's college students, it's postgrad students, the, you 716 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,800 know, the vibrancy of what's going on in Hertz, Aliyah in Tel 717 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,640 Aviv, 126 community and others in Jerusalem. 718 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,520 It's really empowering to see. It's exciting to see. 719 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,640 So I think that for any community, age bracket, socio 720 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,160 economic or academic or work wise, whatever you're focused 721 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,720 on, there's a community for you in Israel. 722 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,800 And I think that there's a sense of, OK, salaries are 723 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,240 considerably lower in Israel. How am I going to manage? 724 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,200 It's true salaries are are lower and in many cases they should be 725 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,240 higher. And I think that that's 726 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,720 something that the country needs to work on. 727 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,800 But the cost of living here are dramatically lower in my view. 728 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,120 And I think when you get down to it and when you talk through 729 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,720 with different, you know, people who are considering aliyah, OK, 730 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,720 you're not going to have tuition costs like you do. 731 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:14,840 You're not going to have healthcare costs. 732 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,240 You're not going to have property tax costs. 733 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,600 And even when the small thing is you want to get a babysitter, 734 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,280 you want to go out for a nice dinner or things like that, 735 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,120 those costs are going to be dramatically lower. 736 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,160 You actually can make considerably lower, lower salary 737 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,680 and you'll be fine and you'll be good. 738 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,120 We're actually we had an event in early January and we're doing 739 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,440 one now also in early January this year of an event in our 740 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,320 offices bringing Israeli partners, partners of Israeli 741 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,880 law firms, some in house counsel and people in foreign law firms 742 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,960 like my firm DLA, but others like our our competitors, our 743 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,880 friends in the market. Just to raise awareness. 744 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,680 Last year we had 120 people who came and showed up. 745 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680 It was an incredible morning that 120 people that showed up 746 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,920 and we did a subsequent event in London actually led to a small 747 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,400 mission that we hosted in Israel about a month later to bring 748 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,520 these people to law firms, open doors to them, to various 749 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,480 companies. And one for sure that I know, 750 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,440 but I think 2 have already moved and accepted jobs. 751 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,880 So like the idea of like opening doors and being able to show how 752 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,280 it's much more accessible than you know, then then people think 753 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:26,000 is is is is is is important for our own aliyah. 754 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,080 We came at a different time. We came 15 1/2 years ago. 755 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,640 I was working for my company that and it actually is a is a 756 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,200 is a situation where it was a really challenging time in the 757 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,800 market. And it's one of those situations 758 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040 where my wife and I talk a lot about, you know, just Hashem 759 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,120 moments We were living during a year that had incredible 760 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,920 challenges in the economy. A lot of people in the world to 761 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,760 finance investment, corporate emerges and acquisitions were 762 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120 losing their jobs, whether it was investment banks, accounting 763 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,400 from law firms. A lot of my colleagues were 764 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,800 losing their job. I really felt that my job was 765 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,240 very vulnerable. At the same time, my wife and I 766 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,200 had received a couple of invitations for one specific 767 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,160 week for some what's going on in Israel. 768 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,960 And we said, you know what, we have this opportunity to go to 769 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,680 Israel. Let's run to Israel for these 770 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,800 smuckle. And it was happening in the 771 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,080 midst of all this going on. And I had an opportunity while I 772 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,960 was here to like, open my eyes for 5 minutes and talk to a 773 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,960 couple of people and say, wait a second, you know, like maybe 774 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,560 there's an opportunity now amidst this most challenging of 775 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,280 times to throw out. This Israel concept to my 776 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,160 company that had never really focused on Israel before and 777 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,920 just opening their eyes to the possibilities of being here. 778 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,000 And I gained by talking to some senior people here during that 779 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,520 week, which which caused me when I went back to the States to put 780 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,280 together a business plan. You know, not being afraid of no 781 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,680 recognizing, OK, the answer might be no, but it's certainly 782 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,560 going to be no if you don't ask and you don't try to fashion, 783 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,920 you know what you're interested in. 784 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,440 And so I, I went to senior partners in my firm. 785 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,960 I said, I think here's an opportunity. 786 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,040 It's the focus on Israel. We're growing as an organization 787 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,040 around the world. Israel seems to be moving up the 788 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,320 food chain. Let me go to Israel for a year. 789 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,480 I'll take a pay cut. You know, it'll be an 790 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,080 opportunity. And the way that I looked at it, 791 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,520 not fearing failure, you know that if it's a total failure, 792 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,680 OK, a year from now, I'm going to have to look for a new job. 793 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,960 But I already felt like I was looking for a new job at that 794 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,600 time. So it was almost a way of buying 795 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,480 a year, recognizing the opportunity and, you know, and, 796 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,840 and, and bar Hashem, you know, one thing led to the next and we 797 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,320 had an opportunity to come for the year. 798 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,800 We looked at it as a family adventure. 799 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,720 We didn't make Alia initially. I think every family who's 800 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,520 considering coming has to do what works best for them. 801 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,280 Some say, you know what, the only way I'm going to get there 802 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,680 is if I sell my house or if I make aliyah, do it right away. 803 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,680 And for others, it's, you know what we want to make sure that 804 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,000 we can see the seeds of, of potential and, and hopeful 805 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,200 success, you know, and once you have that. 806 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440 So for, for us, we, we did it more on a trial basis, but it 807 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,040 ended up working out well, bar Hashem. 808 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560 Well, there's so much more that we should really love to dive 809 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,280 into me, we'll have to do a Part 2 at some point, but we are 810 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,240 running a little bit short on time. 811 00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,360 So I think actually the last question I want to ask you is 812 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,760 about your relationship with your obey The Mishnah says, I 813 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,760 say, look, Harab, which is a value which you all believe in. 814 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,240 But people who are, you know, beyond yeshiva and they're 815 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,520 working and they're busy and you know, in Israel especially 816 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,240 they're, you know, the Shoals aren't don't necessarily have a 817 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,400 robust rabbinate position or rabbis. 818 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,520 It doesn't really do so much. But you have maintained close 819 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,760 relations with some of your obey. 820 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,160 We can talk about that a little bit. 821 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,800 And maybe specifically if you have advice to people as to how 822 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,440 best to carve out the time, the space to, to keep the 823 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,640 relationships, to define their relationships and why it's 824 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,120 important in in your, you know, being so busy career, but having 825 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,960 that that anchor of a rabbi talented relationship. 826 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,280 Sure, I would say it real. For me, it really started when I 827 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,520 went to Shalo Vim and I was, you know, first year in Shalo Vim 828 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600 and the guidance that I received from I forgot who it was before 829 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,560 getting there is Shalom is this incredible place of learning, 830 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,600 but it's not a place where Rabbiim are going to come over 831 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,040 to you and put their arms around you and hug you. 832 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120 And if you want to create a relationship with a rabbi, you 833 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,240 have to be proactive about it then. 834 00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,240 And I was very focused on there were a couple of Rabbiim there 835 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:02,880 that I ended up really aligning with and developed a very close 836 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600 affinity for. And I set and Revyamer was first 837 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,680 and foremost Revyamer and who's now the Roshi Shiva was then the 838 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,880 first year Rebbe. And he learned in the we had 839 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,240 cheer in the morning, you know, cover center in the morning. 840 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:17,200 And then every afternoon he had a hub Russo with Rav handler, 841 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,840 who's now the Roshi Shiva, Shiva and Ramla. 842 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,120 They were the closest, closest of hub Russo and they sat in a 843 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,760 memorial room and he said, any time anybody has any questions, 844 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,320 come to me. And I almost made it a point, 845 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,840 you know, to in my head I'm like, OK, am I being like too 846 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,680 annoying? But I made it a point of at 847 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,720 least a couple times a week of like going and asking a question 848 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,280 and trying to engage. And for me that actually was 849 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,000 incredible. It really forged a close 850 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,280 relationship and shun of that. I did that with Jakubsen, who 851 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,760 subsequently became the Roshi Shiva and. 852 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,800 Bruce has had quite AI know. I know you were engaging. 853 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,640 I had quite a track record. Absolutely. 854 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,360 But I think being proactive, recognizing kind of like what we 855 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,800 were saying earlier, recognizing people that you want to engage 856 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,560 with and being part of and not being and not being afraid to 857 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,760 engage. So I think we all go through 858 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,200 different periods of life and I think that you can have 859 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,880 different Rabbaum from different parts of your life and hopefully 860 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,560 create a relationship and maintain that relationship. 861 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,920 Growing up, right around the time that I was bar mitzvahed, 862 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,640 Rabbi Wine Rut became the the Rava of my Shoal in Baltimore. 863 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,600 And I had this close of developing a close relationship 864 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,120 with with him, you know, and when he left the show and went 865 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,480 on to the OU and now he spends a lot of time in Israel and, you 866 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,640 know, still have the opportunity to be in touch with him. 867 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,520 Friends of mine, like close friends of mine, Rabbi David 868 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,960 Gottlieb and Beit Shemesh is one of my oldest, closest friends. 869 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,640 Kavrusa's, you know, you know, wears 2 hats with me. 870 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,800 He's a super close friend. And our families get together 871 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,320 and, you know, very much like family. 872 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,400 And at the same time, he's an unbelievable resource. 873 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,400 And Rob and, you know, I don't hesitate to ask him questions 874 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,640 or, you know, try to access his shoe rim and his Torah. 875 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,840 Rabbi Liebowitz Rabbi Aria Liebowitz is a relatively new 876 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,520 Rebbe for me. But in the world of COVID, you 877 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,720 know, I'd heard for a couple years earlier, I'd been 878 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:04,160 listening to his Daviomi. It was all on why you Torah. 879 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,120 And then suddenly COVID happens and suddenly everybody's home 880 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,160 and Rabbi am like Rabbi Liebowitz and others open their 881 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,960 Shoals up to the world. And suddenly I was live on share 882 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680 with him every single day. And and so to this day, you 883 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,000 know, it's almost I've worked very, very hard to be on this 884 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,480 year alive every day. And it's created a very special 885 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,840 friendship and relationship and opportunity to engage and to, 886 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,760 you know, and to really and to really, you know, glean some 887 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,440 glean from them And, and thankfully now and you were, you 888 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,040 were mentioning it that unfortunately a lot of 889 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,920 communities in Israel don't have that Rav that the Shoal 890 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,920 mentality in the same way. But I think one of the positive 891 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,720 aspects of what the growing Anglo community has done here is 892 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:52,160 it really has fostered a real need, need for it. 893 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,200 And you look at Rabbi Rosner's community and what he's done in 894 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,280 Beit Shemesh has been unbelievable for years in hush 895 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,280 money. And we, we had a, a community, 896 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,440 Rob, but certainly wasn't at the, of the model that we're 897 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,800 used to. And now in the last couple of 898 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,560 years, we have a new show, Rob. We have a new community, Rob, 899 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,240 who are unbelievable. There's a lot of engagement. 900 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:16,480 And so I think like my, my, my guiding principle is not being 901 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,720 intimidated, feeling open to engage, recognizing where every 902 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,680 Rob is comfortable in their own way. 903 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,480 Some are more comfortable socially, some are more 904 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,640 comfortable, you know, with a question privately. 905 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,520 Some want you to attend in the masses, their sheer rim. 906 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,440 So I think it's being able to recognize what where Rob and and 907 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,560 Rob Onnum have their most joy and finding ways of tapping into 908 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,960 that. My eyes are always open. 909 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,040 I'm always looking for another one of shy Shafter. 910 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,920 I had an opportunity a number of years ago to spend a Shabbos 911 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,440 with him at a cousin of mines, Shabba Brachos, and it was a 912 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,600 very small group and I was like, wow, you know, here's this 913 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,000 unbelievable Rav who's Marbits Torah has thousands of Shira rim 914 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,640 when I ever have access, you know, Barack Hashem, I have this 915 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,320 opportunity and, you know, now his she were in are very much a 916 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,240 part of my world. And, you know, I've managed to 917 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,360 maintain a relationship and staying in close contact, 918 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,440 etcetera. And so I think like just keeping 919 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,160 your eyes open and recognizing the opportunities to engage. 920 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,320 And I think Robin and Robin want to have that Rebbie Tomlin 921 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,720 relationship and to find ways of, you know, and I think being 922 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,280 able to share the impact that they've had with you is 923 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,720 something that really empowers them. 924 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,320 And so that's, you know, something that definitely, you 925 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,840 know, has driven me over the years. 926 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:33,680 That's beautiful. We're gonna have to do another 927 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,400 part too, because there's so much more. 928 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,120 But I think I'll just, I'll, I'll give a spoiler to the 929 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,080 listeners that don't know Jeremy personally as well. 930 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,120 Is that the, the people you keep talking about, the 931 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,800 relationships, the connections, the communities that you 932 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640 continue to build and be involved in are, are certainly 933 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,640 saying, which drives professionally also, let's say. 934 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,400 We'll have to reconvene and talk about that a little more in 935 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,480 depth. But Jeremy, thank you so much 936 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,920 for coming out here today and for sharing all those wonderful 937 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,280 stories and ideas. Thank you for having me. 938 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080 And I'm such a huge fan of Stark Tank and what you've done with 939 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,720 it is incredible and really just continue to, you know, have such 940 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,840 wonderful hush Bah and so many people and the incredible work 941 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,080 that you're doing is something I really look up to. 942 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,040 And I'm grateful, you know, for the invitation and to sit 943 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,080 together with you. Thank you so much. 944 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,640 Thank you, that's our show for today. 945 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,680 If you enjoyed this week's episode and you're already 946 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640 subscribed and have already left a five star review, maybe drop 947 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,040 us some love in the comments and tell the world how much you 948 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,440 enjoy Stark Tink. 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