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Yeah, yeah, this is so interesting.
Just a few days ago an old friend of mine meets out machmic
to the math guest and said he had been discussing something
with a few friends if you want. He wanted my thoughts on it.
So they were talking about prechiavos and whether the ideas
in prechiavos are meant to be taken in some sort of hellacic
sense. Where like these are ideas that
are binding and everybody needs to incorporate them into their
lives without any any sort of questions.
No, no flexibility there. Or are they kind of more wisdom
statements? Aphorisms that you can you can
take, you can consider, but they don't have the same binding
value as hello. So you've been discussing with
his friends and he wanted my thoughts.
So I, I responded. I responded, but I actually sent
him one of our episodes and said this, this is exactly what we're
trying to do with this, with this miniseries.
We're trying to take different statements within Pagalos and
recognize there's, there's a total of perspective which is
being conveyed by these from Shanayost.
And the, the question we're asking is how can we take the,
these perspectives as nuanced as they are and as different as
they are and try to figure out the takeaways that each mission
has for our lives. So I'm I'm I'm excited to be
jumping into our 4th and file episode with Romina Fenia
Benicott. Yeah, it's a fascinating point
that you're making. And I think that all of these
episodes are really meant to be conversation starters and not
conversation stoppers because there's so much to talk about if
within each Mishnah, within each parish, and especially when you
get to the actual last mile of actually applying the entire
lives. And obviously there's place for
a hip sock in certain situations and guidance from Herbane and
other situations. So these are all very big
issues, and I hope that these conversations help people gain a
bit of a deeper and broader perspective on these issues, how
they relate to the connection between the Mishnaios and the
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And this is starting. So the final Mishnah in our
series is Paragimal Mishnahei Kola Makabel Olav Altora or call
a park menu Altora. No smell of all Malthus, but all
there are erets. Loosely translated we could say
as follows. Anyone who accepts upon himself
the yoke of Torah, we will remove from them the yoke of the
government and the yoke of Parnassa de Erets.
And anyone who removed from themselves the all of Torah, the
the yoke of Torah, they will receive on them the yoke of the
government and the yoke of their hearts of Parnassa.
Yeah. So we pointed out last week
already that our whereas our first two which Nias were much
more positive about Malacha their hearts and finding some
way to bring those two points together with Dora the the last
week and this week seemed to be much more, let's say less
enthusiastic about work in fact. And there's this Mishnah.
The point seems to be that if you take on a lifestyle of
Torah, then we're actually going to totally remove any sort of
async in Darris Jairez than any sort of involvement from the
Malthus. As opposed to Yaffa Tamatori
Imdara Tearez, which seemed to say there was something unique,
something special about bringing Tamatori together with Derek
Eretz. This almost seems to be an
opposite point called the capital of old Torah Mataviri
and MI menu Old Malthus to the old Derek Ferrets.
So how are we going to square this vision out with the mission
out that we saw two weeks ago? Yaffa Tamatori Indira Harris.
Yeah. What are you?
What are you opening fast when you read this mission?
Yeah. The first thing that jumps out
at me is this word all which seems to imply a yoke, something
which is heavy, a burden, something which is difficult and
challenging. And this obviously I think
resonates with a lot of people, the idea of stress and
challenges with regards to finances in general and work and
finances are obviously very closely connected.
And then specifically within the world of careers and work and
job security and job pressures. So the idea of Derek Harrods as
an OL is something which definitely resonates for a lot
of people. And the second thing as a as an
addition to that is the fact that a lot of people have this
conception that work is a curse. Even some people on this podcast
have come on and and made that made that assertion.
And I think if you read safer braces carefully, it's quite
clear, according to almost Alma Farshim, that that statement is
inaccurate because at the very beginning of the story of the
Marisha was commanded law of da Ula Shamrock.
So work is not a result of his sin.
The result of his sin is the curse of Biziata Pecato
Halekham, the coach with our dark.
So the difficulty and the challenge and the stress
involved in work, that is a curse, not the work itself.
And that's an interesting distinction which I'd love to
unpack with you more in today's episode and beyond.
OK, awesome. Thank you for bringing that out.
Because the the O point is an important one and that's
probably going to be the key in explaining the difference
between the two meshnais. Whereas in Yafa Tomatori in the
Heritz, there's no mention of O in either either by the Torah or
by there. It's here we're talking not only
about Tori and there are parents, we're talking about old
Tori and all, there are parents, all Malthus.
So the, the point the mission seems to be making is that if
you accept the yoke of Toru, we have to define what that means.
So then the the yoke, the weight of these other two
responsibilities are going to be lifted somehow.
So that that's going to kind of open up the space for us to be
able to make the distinction between the two sides.
And the question is going to be, let's explore a little bit of
what exactly are these potential distinctions?
But it seems to be rooted in the in the point of oh, Torah.
Oh, there are harets as opposed to Jesse off with helmet Torah E
there are harets. So there are different takes in
the Mafarshan. I think you can almost say that
there are two camps here. Some Mafarshan read this Mishnah
as saying that if you take on the Ole of Torah, then you will
not have to be involved at all in older heritage that most of
them are saying this in a in a supernatural sense.
It's like a kashwark who's going to ensure that you won't have to
do any work. There are other malfunctions who
who say no, you will still have to do malafa.
It's not that you're getting a total free pass on any work at
all, but it's going to be easier.
It's going to be less, less of a weight on your shoulders because
you've taken on that old total. And again, that could be in a
supernatural sense. It could also be in a, in a more
revealed sense. I think for for the meteori
says, I don't remember everything that meteori says
that there's a dinner Matthew Malai and Keyshia Femidi Hehran
that there's there's a unique value in in supporting in people
supporting Femidi Hehran. The famous story, I think with
the hauft Stein and the hauft Stein in the grocery store and
the rule, the rule of rotten, it was that nobody, no other
grocery stores were allowed to open until the fauft Stein got
the whatever amount of money he needed for the day.
Then he would close the store and the other stores could open
so that those are much more, let's say, revealed ways of
making sure that the people who are in the capital of old Torah
are supported and don't need to work hard for a living.
But still the recognition is that they are going to have to
operate the store for that hour for however long, for over long
they need to, as opposed to who's swooping in.
And in giving him a certain sense of one to make sure that
he's supported, Those are almost like two Kim's.
Some unfortunate to read this mission up.
Is there no malafa at all? Or is there still going to be
malafa? It's just less of a
responsibility, less of a less of a weight on your shoulders.
Yeah, if you take the hidden route, you say that this is all
talk about Akash Broku's special Ashkaka.
So that brings us straight back to the Gamar Brachas da Flamen
hey, which we've discussed at length in the past, and we're
recording this today on Lagba Omer.
And we know that Rashby says that those who are committed to
Torah won't have any needs when it comes to Paranasa.
But we know already back in the times of the Gamarah that Harvey
Asukrash be loyal Tabiadan. So we already see way, way back,
thousands of years ago, that the statements of Khazal are not
always so clear to understand how they are lived in reality
and how they actually come true when it comes to facts on the
ground. Yeah, we also got robust your
wife's sock a few weeks ago at the star tank event at his house
where he called the Rashby's perspective a a utopian vision
as opposed to a practical reality.
So let's let's look at a couple of them of Arshan who go into
more detail. I want to start with Rabini
Yonah. Rabin Yonah explains this
message. Not similar to how Yaakov you
spoke about last week with the same line.
If I say toresta Kava kumalafa arai, the meaning of being the
Kabul of Al Torah is that you're putting your Torah primary and
you're keeping your malafa, all right.
So you are going to have to do both.
You're, you are going to have to do some work in addition to your
Tom Torah. But your priorities are
straight. Your, your primary focus is not
Torah and your malafa is kept secondary.
Now, what's interesting, what I thought that I that I found in
Northern universalitary is that he has two ways of explaining
and again, similar to dichotomy, he, he makes one reference
almost like a supernatural element and 1A more exoteric or
revealed element of both explanations of both sides.
He says that if a person is macablo of old Torah, then
Hashem is going to ensure that you have no distractions from
Tom Torah. He'll keep things he'll he'll
act as a fence for you to make sure that nothing distracts you
and also you'll be able to keep your priorities straight.
Basically, ASA who Hashir Hassan that that your ASA contour is
going to make sure that you don't get drawn in by the rat
race of thinking that I need more and I need more.
I need to buy this and I need to buy that.
You'll be able to keep your keep your focus on the things that
you actually need, which will allow you to keep your time he
set aside for tomatura as opposed to as opposed to getting
drawn into the need to keep working in order to make more
money and buy more stuff. Hashem is going to be sending
you distractions to stop you from learning.
But he also says that it's kind of just naturally when you turn
your focus away from learning away from a bunch of shed and
put it on these, let's say a parnassa concerns or my
concerns. So then OF KESF low use by KESF,
once you're focusing on money, you're never going to be
satisfied. There's always more that you
need that you're going to need to spend, then you're going to
need to buy. There's always there's not even
talking about fancy cars and big vacations, which in terms of I
want to redo this part of my house and I want to get this
type of car or I want to upgrade the kitchen in this way that
there are always more things you can add to that list of upgrades
and improvements. If that's what you're putting
your focus on, then you're never going to feel like I can take a
break from working to sit down for a seat.
So there's there's on the one hand, that show is going to be
you these distractions and on the other end, just naturally
based on what you're spending your time thinking about and
focusing on live Cassev low used by Cassev.
Yeah, that's very interesting. You know, we didn't do this
series based on the exact weeks that they come out, but we are
recording this the day after we learned Parekh Dalid and there
the Mishnah in the beginning of Parekh Dalid says Izo Asher
Hassan Akbar Halko, very famous Mishnah and Urbina Yona there
also draws parallel to this idea as well.
And he says that anyone who really has this approach where
he's completely focused on learning Torah and serving
Kurdish Baru, and he only works in order to enable that and to
do the minimum amount in order to be able to have the proper
sustenance, but in order to be able to really focus his time
and energy and his Co host on on talmotora and about sashem.
So that person will be an ushier and that will be Samyah
Mikhalko, which is very interesting to see how, you
know, we now have three mishnaos across picayavos.
There are many own threads with these ideas that if you keep
talmotora front and center, that's what the Mishna is
encouraging you to do. And again, if you talk about
this dynamic between supernatural promises from
Akadash Barahu versus very practical aidsas for all of
Hazette, so Reyona in Paragdala Mishna Olive seems to indicate
that he's just talking about an aidsa to be happy.
If you keep life simple, you keep life over to Rahu, you're
going to be a lot happier in that way.
Rahsafsson Foldersch has another perspective here, which I think
also is based on the the word of all separating this from the
mission of. You have some term there.
The first says that if you accept Torah as the guide to
your values, you accept Torah as the guide to your perspective in
life, then you'll see value in everything you do in life,
basically beholder. So reverse is not saying that
somebody who who sees Torah as primary won't have to be
involved in the with the, let's say the needs of the mouth or
won't have to be mouthed their ferrets.
Rather it's the ASIC you have and those other things will be
given value through the perspectives that you've gained
from your tomatora. So it helps you your, your focus
on Tora, your focus on the values taught by Tora will, will
help you, will help you contextualize all the things
that you're doing outside of Naritam Torah through the prism
of or through the frame of Avodas Hashem, giving it value
and making it much easier to handle.
Whereas if you reject the OLL of Torah, you choose not to see
Torah as giving your life value. So then you're you're left with
these almost crushing weights and distractions of the OL Mao
Kasmoldar Haaretz without any frame to make them meaningful.
Yeah. So this I guess touches on one
of the big issues that we have been focusing on the whole
entire time, which is ideally we should have a broader Hashkafa,
a broader outlook to life that will drive the day-to-day
actions. And the more that we are able to
connect the day-to-day actions to the big picture.
So the more we're able to feel a sense of purpose, a sense of
accomplishment. And this is something that
modern psychology has picked up on going back to Viktor Frankel
and obviously many positive psychology gurus that you see
out there nowadays talking about having meaning and having a why.
And I guess the question is it seems to be saying, which is a
lot easier said than done to say you should have a purpose, you
should have a mission. And that's going to make things
so much easier one. And I'm just not sure what to
make of the fact that if you see someone who's undergoing a lot
of stress and he's really unsatisfied with his life, if
you pull him outside and you talk to him for a second, he he
does he not, is he missing a mission or is he not feeling
connected to that mission while he's in the grind or whatever is
he's doing? So I wanted to hear your
approach to the the When you hear a story like that, do you
assume that the person's hashkafa isn't strong enough?
Or is there a certain skill to apply in that hashkafa and
feeling connected to that outlook on a day-to-day level?
I think I think that is a great point.
I think it's an important point. I don't know if there's a A1
size fits all answer. I think you do have to kind of
take it on a case by case basis. But I can, I can tell you maybe
by way of example, something which I noticed, let's say in
the aftermath of of Sylvastoria and something which I saw both
both here in North Sterile and in my, in my, here in here in
Mitzvah Rifo, something which I was noticing with people in the
coastline as well. And there were people who were
working incredibly hard, doing really whatever they possibly
could to contribute to the war effort.
Obviously soldiers, soldiers aside, the heroes themselves
aside. But we had we had children.
We had kids going going around the issue, knocking on doors,
collecting things like socks and deodorant and toothbrushes.
We had we had younger kids who were doing like bake sales,
raising money to be able to send money to their buy things for
the soldiers. We had people who were offering
to give rides to soldiers who either needed to get the bases
or needed to be picked up. People there were, there were
women who were doing shifts of laundry.
We had soldiers stationed by our issue for a while.
So they were, they were shifts of laundry and they were making
breakfasts and dinners. People were working incredibly,
incredibly hard, but there was no sense of, I don't know what
the right word is. It wasn't a sense of stress as
much as they were putting in incredible amounts of, of effort
because they recognized the importance of what they were
doing. And they were almost like
energized by the work that they were doing, even though it was
so incredibly difficult. And it wasn't only the people
here. And I had a number of friends
who were, who were working on raising money and making
connections and plus Rs, I was working on getting medical
equipment for issue. And I reached out to somebody
who's connected Hatzalah. And he put me in touch with four
or five other people who didn't know me from Adam, had never,
never, never met before, never spoken to before.
And they were thrilled for the opportunity to try to try to
help me out, to try to put me in touch with the right people.
And I think when you have this strong sense of permission, so
then even when you aren't working very hard and it's, it's
difficult to work hard, no one's going to deny that you can feel
tired and you can feel that. I think stress would be relevant
emotion there, but it comes with a broader sense of meaning, of
purpose, which is energizing, is exciting as opposed to almost
like crushing or deadening. So I think that's kind of the
question more. You're working very hard and you
can feel the pressure of working very, very hard for a long time.
But I think there's a broader or more enveloping feeling of I see
the value of what I'm doing and I'm excited by the fact that I
have the opportunity to contribute in a meaningful way.
So I think in many cases, taking it away from the, the war, I
think in many cases where people don't have that, that immediate
urge or the immediate need, it's, it can be harder to tap
into that sense of I'm doing the thing that I was called to do or
I'm doing that thing which I was that which, which I was assigned
to for my mission. And what, when you can't tap
into that as strongly. So then it can be a lot more
difficult to feel that energy, to feel that excited.
There are definitely looped up into and you can see they're
working almost on a different level it almost seems like.
That's an interesting example, and I want to push back a little
bit because I think in such a situation, and we all felt it,
so the worst feeling of helplessness is that you're not
needed and there's nothing for you to do.
And that's a really terrible feeling.
So people were looking for anything to do that might not
have had any impact whatsoever on the war, but they want to
feel like they had some role and that prevented them from this
awful feeling of helplessness and a meaninglessness and just
being vulnerable to the tremendous tragedies without
having any sort of response. So I think that's how I would
interpret the phenomenon that you were describing, which is a
beautiful feeling to see everyone coming together and
coming out in those days. But I think it's a little bit
different than someone who's going to work during regular
times and feeling like doesn't have purpose, doesn't have
meaning. Close that, OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's a, that's a solid
point. I think that that's a
alternative explanation for the for the energy, for the
commitment that I was seeing. I don't think it negates the
point. I think there are two possible
explanations for what I was seeing.
But I think generally, like you said, you quoted from Viktor
Frankel. I think in the past we've quoted
the focus al Babos saying that every every individual has his
mission. And according to Kumar also
about a voter Sheehy Zaralo. If we accept the idea that
people are created for a specific purpose of a specific
mission that that's not as obvious, maybe when we had we
had Nivea, that was part of what a person could go to, not before
to get guidance. And on those points, what was
his specific topic in life? No, we don't happen to him.
It's no longer as clear. A person really needs to know
himself, know his skills, know his abilities to be able to
figure out what his specific mission is supposed to be.
As challenging as that can be to figure out if a person is able
to identify it and find a way to use that in his day-to-day life
or let's say work towards accomplishing that mission in
his day-to-day life. I think it's it's, I think it's.
It's undeniable that the amount of energy or the amount of see
book that feeling can give meaning.
We talk about we talk about being in Evan Hashem and Evan
works to accomplish something specific.
He's given a job to do and he goes out and he doesn't.
You can make the argument that the I vote the Republican due is
limited to Torah and mitos narrowly.
I think that's what the Ron Cowell would probably said in
time, except before probably say as well.
I think the, the argument that we're making from, from the rub
from reverse is that the Avoda is much broader that we're
called through is much broader. And we need the contributions of
every individual in order to to accomplish it in each person in
their own right. And once you can identify what
that is, then you can feel like you are one, one of the you.
You can feel like you are one of the workers in this broader role
of, of developing Kloachimai, mouthfishimai and Malea the most
there's I think it's a unique feeling.
It's a special feeling and it's something that we're all
supposed to be trying to tap into as much as we can to actual
to identify what this means for each person and to then go out
and actually actualize this. I'm just speaking, speaking for
my two years teaching in Shiva. This is a conversation which I
had with Tamidim through with with expense of Thalmington
trying to trying to figure out. First of all, just generally the
idea of having a calling, having mission as part of your evidence
Hashem, and not the calling being limited to the narrow,
narrow definition of abodous Hashem.
And then for each person to think about what exactly is my
tafkid, recognizing that there aren't tafkiden generally, what
exactly is my tafkid and how am I supposed to accomplish it?
Generally, Talmiden would walk away from those conversations
energized and excited that they actually have something that
they can contribute to the general cloud as opposed to just
this feeling of I'm just another, I'm just one, one
member of Claire's role without anything unique or special to
offer. You know that that's something
which I noticed from those conversations as well.
I don't know if you like into this, but so that I think that
relates to the evidence of shove point as opposed to the Tora
point. We often talk about Shivanthanda
Tora and every person has their unique contribution.
Every person has their Hala and Torah.
I remember feeling personally and hearing from a number of
Tony didn't they're like, you can call it Triera, but like
they, they just didn't believe that.
Like are they coming up with something that Kubiki Vaygar
didn't come up with? They're coming up with good.
They're coming up with something throughout They didn't come up
with like they they see in what world is that happening?
But but if you if you take this approach, I vote a session more
broadly and you bring Torah into that.
So then I think there's a lot more room to say that I can make
a unique contribution both in the, the general world, but also
the world of Tora. Because I'm taking the Tora
which is uniquely connected to my, to the area of my
contribution and showing how Tora can comment on or give
direction to this, this ASIC high.
I mean, this mission in life, I don't know if you want to get
there, it might be a little too far afield, but I think it's, I
think it's an important. Point I I think what I would be
curious to hear from our listeners, and I'm happy for
everyone to reach out. There's information in the show
notes to hear a little bit more conversation from those
listening out there is that it's great to hear that the tall
medium and yeshiva get excited and animated and passionate
about this idea, but it's not a super big finish to have a guy
and yeshiva passionate and excited about a certain aspect
of OS Hashem and talmotora. It's wonderful, but it's not a
finish. What I'd be more interested to
hear is from people who are actually in the workforce and
their days are a grind and a hustle between their kids and
the babies waking up at night and changing diapers and dealing
with drama in school and dealing with drama at work and all those
things. And to be able in that context,
to really feel a sense of purpose, a sense of mission, a
sense of excitement and being on fire, all those things.
I'd be really excited to hear from our listeners about
different efforts and strategies to make that happen there.
Because it's a lot harder, it's a lot more challenging, there is
a lot more distractions and a lot more things on their mind.
So that's something I would love to invite our listeners who are
out there in the workforce doing what they're doing to, to, to
give their perspective on this and to hear about their various
efforts, whether they're more successful or less successful in
order to feel that sense of purpose and mission and
excitement. I'll just share personally as
much as as much as what I do is either Tora Tora adjacent,
especially with the editing. I think I have felt that sense
of of excitement and being able to help help another author help
Tom Hoffman, being able to communicate ideas in a better
way, in a clearer way, in a way, which is going to be, let's say,
I think we said way back when the beginning of the series that
it's a key. I'm almost of hid their mitzvah
or the same way you wouldn't put fill in a brown paper bag.
We don't want to put it to free Torah and we want Torah to be
presented in the clearest, nicest way possible.
So as much as it's not a direct a second for me, I think I have
felt that excitement that I'm doing something which I need
skill set that to be able to do and being able to make that
contribution. It doesn't mean that that every
moment is is flowers and butterflies and every single
moment of the editing is, is fun.
It's enjoyable. Definitely.
It can be a grind. It definitely, definitely can be
dry at some points. But I think the overall feeling
is the sense of I appreciate what I'm doing.
I feel like I'm making a contribution that I can make in
a more unique way. And that's something which is
personally something which is, which is motivating.
I would love to hear from other people to, to see if they to
hear if they've tapped into this as well.
There's obviously the challenge of of or no.
There's obviously the challenge of you don't, You're not free to
just choose the jobs that you feel like you want to.
You can just go with the bath weaving.
You do have the need to pay tuition and put food on the
table. And that definitely can limit
your options. Then if they give the voter
she's our load just in order to put food on the table.
And that that can often come at the expense of the, the
excitement and the feeling that I'm making this, this unique
contribution that OMDI can make. And so it's recognized.
I guess that's the level one. The basic fear that a person
needs to do is support his family is put themselves, put
food on the table. And then if you're doing that,
Ashrafa, and if you don't have the, the excitement and the
feeling there, there's what to talk about.
Maybe we can talk about that more in the time, but to
recognize that in terms of the broader ratio of meaning, you're
supporting the family and that's taking a real responsibility.
If you're blessed to be able to have the, the the bandwidth of
flexibility to choose the giant, choose from Laha, which is more
uniquely yours. So then recognize that you're
you have this this special Braha to be able to contribute to the
world in a way which which you were you were set aside for from
birth and you actually get paid for it, which is a nice product.
OK, I just wanted to to kind of finish things off.
I wanted to bring in a shoot rush quoting from the Maher Rami
Rotenberg, which was really brought up by Ron Leftenstein
and by his light. So this is all kind of centering
around Surya and Bob Basra. We can assume that the star
think listeners are are being committed common right.
They're you know, they safer. So they're not going to be
scared off by by Sergeant Bob Basra and I'm thinking the
Sergeant Bovasa. They come on Bovasa and Zano and
Basin. Hassan Malas makes the point
that Tamidi Khammin are further from taxes, different types of
taxes, taxes for Shmira, just the general municipal taxes.
So there are a couple of questions that we would ask
about a city like this. One of the questions is who
exactly is the Talmud Hakam that we are describing, right?
What? What what tests do you do you
need a pass to qualify for this tour from having to pay taxes?
Our Nona can be thousands of sheckel would be great to have a
tour on our Nona just because they passed the revenue or
something. So what, what what level of
Tomahawk are we talking about? So it's to start with the iron.
If you look on page really the entire chapter, chapter 4 by his
light. It's fantastic to read in this
context. But if we're looking at page 57,
Rabayan says that there are halachic implications to the
question. He's talking about being, being,
making your Torah. Keva says the commandment of
ambassador rules that Tamila Khanim are exempt from paying
municipal passes. The rush says that the Tamil
satham is defined as a person whose Torah is his occupation,
Torah toh umanuto. So today we think of this in
terms of someone whose profession it is to learn Torah,
someone who does nothing else. With Mahram MI Rutenberg sighted
in Juvis Rush, Tess Valres says that it does not mean this at
all. Torato umanuto applies even if a
person spends most of his day at work.
But his natural bent is to learn Torah.
When he has a free hour, he devotes it to Torah.
When he has a vacation, he uses it to learn Torah.
That is Torato Umanuto, his natural self realizing itself.
Rivaran says that according to this Miami Rutenberg first in
tomahawkam who's to Rato Umanuto his his profession in his work
is not somebody who learns all day.
And that's not somebody who's sitting in Coel.
It's somebody who takes care of his responsibilities.
He works for a living. He's in the Farnes's family, but
when he has free time, he's turning it to Tora.
I think it's it's important to look at the actual shoot itself.
We said this was Tess Valchef and shoot the rush.
So he actually brings up a number of our Meshnais when he's
opening up, opening up this piece maybe to read quickly a
couple of a couple of pieces. He says call to Russo, Manuso
fiosa to Russo, right. So right there, that's our that
we've mentioned a few times the Hogue at the Torah, Talmud, the
environmentalium. He's not wasting anytime he's
thinking of Torah always. So kizui Havaso.
The only thing he's doing other than Torah is he's taking care
of being the finest family Kizu zuhi Havaso at his foba.
That's his responsibility. Kiyotha tomatora indera ferrets,
they're called Korea. He's quoting all of Irish knives
from those straight back at us, but called Ace vibo Alger saso.
He's thinking and learning who Vidmar Malafto hozer miya the
basement Joshua who na do re shiman makayim Los ani shimani
is somebody who's who not only walks talks the talk, he walks
the walk. He is his, he's banahasima
brios. There are no bad rumors flying
out, flying around about him who beflao Rabanan.
He's considered one of these Rabanans, Martin Bo bassara
savaro. But oh zet Torah, right, This is
Armishna. He's he's brought his neck
underneath the yoke of Torah and therefore he he's entitled to
this break from taxes. So the shoots R Us generally is
giving us this new definition of what a Tamah Hafum is, what tore
toe Uman and toe means. It's not somebody who's learning
all day only, but rather it's somebody who is taking care of
his responsibilities to himself, to his families and finds his
family. He's working for a living, but
when he has time available, he turns it to Tora.
Later on in the in the piece, he says that when we think takes
care of responsibilities, we're not talking about the the
minimum just to get by. We're not talking about you need
$20 or A50 shekel to buy food for the day.
So you're going to stop working after you've made your your 5050
shekel. He says that there are other
responsibilities. Things surprise, payments crop
up, your car breaks down, your refrigerator stops running.
Those types of things happen. And you need to have money in
the bank to make sure that you can cover those expenses.
So it's not just the bare minimum amount of money that you
need per day. It's that you need to you need
to be making the normal amount of money that's considered a
regular standard of living. And then once once you have that
kind of once your priorities are set that way that I'm not
looking for extras, I'm not looking for luxuries.
I'm just trying to make sure that I can, I can put food on
the table and both my kids and have a three month emergency
fund. And then all the rest of your
time available you're using for Tomatura.
That's somebody who's toreto uma muto and not in a, let's say,
fluffy. I don't want to call not, not in
a fluffy vortlaf sense, but in a very practical sense.
That rush is fascinating, and it opens up a tremendous soyo,
which we're not going to cover in its entirety today.
But I will just mention briefly that there is a big discussion
amongst the Rishonim and Yakhonim and the gamaras about
what the halachic obligation is with regards to Talmatura.
So now there are Akhonim who assume based on Rishonim as
well, that the gather of Talmatura is to learn as much as
possible. Every spare minute should be
devoted to Tamatoro. Now if you assume like this
rush, the rush is saying that Tamidah Khamim, who are they
learn every spare minute. So how do these two fit?
So we can say one of two things. Number one is maybe the rush
disagrees. Maybe the rush says that for
regular people, regular Jew, the minimum requirement is as the
Gemara says, parekh chakras, parekh arvis, learn once a day
and once at night. And that's your have a bigger
Kia and it's not the same the Kia Tamataro for a regular
person, regular due versus a Tommy.
That's option number one option #2 is to say, well, if you want
to make these acronium fit with the rush, what you're going to
have to say is that the Kia on everyone is extremely ambitious
and difficult and challenging. And this goes back to what we
were discussing a little bit last week.
It's a really, really hard thing to do.
So everyone is required to aspire to this and only the ones
that are successful in reaching that level will have the Pitar
of taxes. They won't have to pay their are
known up, which I don't know, and Karen Gavin, all the array
of them and their own player Nona.
So I'm not sure how that works. But in any case, those who are
successful are going to have the Pitar of terrestrium.
Not so, but the fee of is the same on everyone and not
everyone's going to be able to be successful in accomplishing
that fee. Those are two ways of thinking
about the Sega as far as the fee of Tomatura and how is it
relates to the rush? Who says that Russo is someone
who works but learns as much as physically possible?
Yeah, great point, Yakov. That definitely does bring up
this this again, it's a huge one time.
Something which would be interesting to look at as well
is the rush himself, the way he explains that that famous
question from the brothels about about Verifos, the Thora and why
there's no hepsic when it comes to the maybe that maybe that
would be relevant here as well. How much Torah do we assume
people are learning throughout throughout their days?
OK, I just want to end things off with one more point on this.
Yeah, it's really common from Tosos.
I'm back in my right and above Basra.
Essentially what we're saying from the Myron Rutenberg from
the from the rush for my round is that the the definition of
the Tom Hawking has this exemption from taxes is not
somebody who's learning only, but rather somebody who's
prioritizing Torah along with all the other things that he
needs to do if any free moment is given to learning.
So that's somebody who's the rest of the Maso and he has his
exemption from from having to pay these taxes.
He has B status from Tom Hoss. So it's interesting just in
terms of the source for this then, then to admire the top of
Krzanov and Bob Basra posts from from Thornton Viv and Ksubu to
say that somebody who makes Tom Hassim based access is over on
all three. Buster King Ksubim is a Buster
from Ezra where Daryavish the commands of his his officers in
the region not to take taxes from people who were doing the
following. And says L'schelli, the Miramar
al Lehen, they're the certain Jewish people you should not
take taxes from or these people doing tossu, says the Vishal you
Oskay Masukin, the Malekhes Shamayan, the Binyan Basa
Mikdash the the Daryavi said that the people who were
involved in building the base Mikdash should not have to pay
taxes. Don't click taxes from that.
And Tosa says her nominee in Wahatu Mas, how Lom de Torre SO2
Lom de Torre who are also involved.
It seems like ghosts saying in Maleficent Shanayim should not
be charged. Should I have to pay taxes?
We should not in their leads and pay taxes.
Now this phrase of Asukin in the Maleka Shanayim, they were
involved in in God's work. They're involved in building the
base. Mikdash is a much broader term
than Jess the the Nero Oskin Vittora, and it calls the mind
Gemara in Sokka about about the tour of Osaka mitzvah utterman
mitzvah. The price on Huff Vav
Amanalathan Sokkha says that it gives a whole list of people who
who do this do that. And not only those people, but
anybody who's Osak Kola Hoskin, the Malaka Shamayan are also
going to be have this exemption of osek, the mitzvah, Qatar
minha mitzvah. It's a much broader formulation
than jest. You're doing mitzvah, therefore
you're butter. And I think gives a lot more
room for a explanation like revirons, an explanation like
the rush, the Miami Ruttenberg. Now we're not looking only for
the people who are in the base measures 24/7.
We're recognizing that Koloski Mamala Shamayan can be defined
in a much broader sense than that.
You you go to work from 9:00 to 5:00, you come home, spend spend
an hour with your kids. How about help out with bedtime?
And you get to the base measures and you get in, you get in the
seder before daven. You get in the seder acid
davening, whatever it is. But you have a full day and you
can call the entire day, Oh sake, Mamala Shamayan beholder
half a day. Who?
And that's the person that we're talking about in this Kamara in
Bava Basra. Just like to to term it as
Koloskin from Lechsia mine. I would just like to, to, to
reference how we ended off the previous episode of putting the
identity, centering the identity of the Nova Deschem as opposed
to a Lolita only. I I think this this line from
Tosos really strengthens that perspective.
Yeah, there's a fascinating halachic discussion on that
gamar in Sokka with the Magnavron, the beer Halaha and
other acronym, which talk about the following question.
What about someone who's a SOFA Stam or a salesperson for SOFA
Stam? But it's also NASA.
So is that considered OSIK mitzvah, paterman and mitzvah?
And it's a very fascinating discussion.
One of the fascinating opinions is that, well, there's a
possibility that a person can have two cavanas with the same
thing. Yes, Cavana lashane parnassa and
also cavana Lashaime chamain. So without going too deep into
the degree of that. So yeah, I think what we see
from from this and all of our discussions that have been so
fascinating and so illuminating and so interesting have been the
importance of our mindset, our shkafa and our cavanas.
And the fact that you have Cavana in order to make a
Parnassa doesn't negate another pronounce a broader idea.
Sorry, doesn't negate a broader Hashkafa, a broader kavana,
broader intent and mindset. And going back to the the
beautiful sky from Rusher Weiss, he also emphasized the the
importance of beholder had a who and having the right Kavanas.
You know that Rambam in hill host Deos is is a very, very
challenging one. It can be the most beautiful and
useful and helpful Rambam. It could also be the most
distracting and difficult one because you could take anything,
any need to go to a football game or any need to sleep in for
an extra couple hours and say, well, really, I need this to
have Co-op and I need this to feel fulfilled and I need this
to be happy and be in a good enough mood.
So it's very dangerous. It's very difficult.
But I think the, the one of the bottom lines that we could take
out of all these conversations is the importance of having
Cavanos to vote to be Lesim Shamayim to try to align our
actions with our scuffles and with our intentions and our
mindset. And I think that the that's just
a big take away that we should always be having in mind is
trying to constantly be checking in and clicking in and
connecting to our higher purpose and our ultimate reason why
we're here in life. And hopefully that will infuse
our day-to-day actions, our day-to-day work, even the
seemingly mundane things with a higher purpose and more
motivation. And inspiration.
Not to say that we strive to be a Monmouth, we all strive to be
Marvin, but to recognize that the Kavana plays such an
incredibly central role. Fantastic, fantastic for him.
Thank you so much for bringing that.
OK, so just run through what we spoke about.
We we we recognized we just to run through what we spoke about.
We noticed that this mission that seems to be less
enthusiastic about about the concept of Tara Tara's actually
seems to say that if you embrace Torah, then you won't have to be
involved in darah theorists at all.
He said that some of fortune some fortune understands that
way, whereas other maversion say that you're going to have to be
involved in even this mission is saying you will have to be
involved in some some measure some measure of the and the
question is really how much some information talk about the talk
about this divine or supernatural intervention to
make sure that you won't have to work at all or you're only going
to have to work a little bit other more.
If I shouldn't take any more esoteric or reveal way with
different suggestions for how to make sure that you're not going
to be working as hard review. Yona Riviona had really had both
Veniona said on both sides of the of the mission up both in
the capital of Altora and also boric menu Altora, there's a
hidden and revealed explanation. On the one hand, the sham is
going to ensure that there are no distractions from Tom Torra.
If you accept the all of Torah and also the ASIC, the Torah
will keep your priority straight, allowing for azu
washer Hasan Alco stopping you from getting drawn into that rat
race. Whereas if you're Boric me menu
called Torah, so then #1 SM is going to pile on those
distractions and you won't have the freedom to learn even if you
did choose to. And also the problem of, oh, we
have Cassa police. But Cassa, once your, once your
mindset is focused on, is focused on the, your, your
income and, and, and expenses and things like that.
So then they're always going to be more things that you want to
spend money on. They're all so they're always a
higher level vacation or better seats, nicer car.
Then you're going to be inexorably drawn in to this
never ending, never ending stream of having to make more of
more money That that was the ribbon Yona The first had a
different take. The first thought that the idea
of old Torah versus old mouthfuls old darah Harris is
that if you accept Torah as the guide to your values and your
perspective in life. So then you'll be able to you'll
have a frame to see the value in your darah Farris in your civic
involvement as well. Whereas if you reject the old
Torah and you reject the guidance given by Torah, so then
you're going to feel crushed. You're going to feel weighted
down by your responsibilities of of Malthus and Darth Harris
because you won't have a frame that gives them meaning that
gives them context. Finally, we ended off with the
shoot shooter rush. According to Marami Rutenberg
that was brought up by Ryan Duffenstein in Nice light
defining the the fact we ended off with Shooter Rush and the
Sigde in Bhagbasra Zion and Basin Ffestmanalov quoting from
the Murrah Mirrenberg. It was brought up by Irvan
Dithenstein in the 4th chapter by his light basically defining
to Russo Umanasso not as somebody who's learning the
entire day, but somebody who prioritizes his learning when
possible together with his other responsibilities.
Being the Farnese is Fernan and then recognizing this broader
definition of what of what is what the rest of the muscle
means. I suggested maybe could be
related to tospos who who spoke about Koloskin and Pemalekha
Shamayan in terms of the Binion based Mikdash and extrapolated
from that to Lundi Tora. I suggested and we brought it
with Kamaransuka as well about Jose Mitzvah, but the mitzvah
also applying to somebody who's Ozkola Ozkin, but blah Shamayan
in the app of you brought up the, the Magna Rum about the
idea of, of depending on what your cabana is.
Are you looking to make money or are you looking to facilitate
Avodah Hashem being a significant factor.
So we're just kind of saying just more more broadly, because
that as long as you're at cabana is oriented towards Avodah
sashem holder Hecha, the EU is as challenging as that can be.
It also gives so much more latitude for the full wealth and
breadth of a of a of a full life in Avodah sashem as opposed to
the narrow in Torah and mitzvos. Yeah, just to review, two of the
interesting tangents that we went into #1 is on Urbina Yona
Rinona has a similar idea we mentioned last time about having
my basic W Okatara. And another Biniona that we
mentioned is on the mission of Azio Usher Hassanaba Helko.
So those 3 missionaries are all kind of going to Viniona, and
maybe a little work needs to be done to figure out exactly how
to understand this idea of Azo Usher Hassanaba Helko and what
exactly that means on a practical level.
That's another discussion that we had.
Also on rehearsh, we got into the question of how this
actually applies day-to-day when you're very busy and have a lot
of going on, whether it's family and kids and to what extent
we're able to dial in to those passions and to those hoskafos
on the day-to-day level. And I again, invite our
listeners to to, to reach out and to give some perspective on
that. And finally, on the rush, as you
said correctly at the end, the importance of cabana, something
that we've talked about many, many times.
And there's something that we will end off on now by saying
that the pasuk initially, it says behold is a small pasuk.
The Gomora Bracho says that is super fundamental and important
to everything that we do. And hopefully we can all be
zoka, to live with a sense of purpose and identity and ideals,
and that our bigger picture in life, our bigger purpose, is
something that we can be cognizant of and aware of and
connected to in the day-to-day, more mundane, seemingly mundane
activities. Thank you so much Jacob, I
really enjoyed this. Let's see, this was fun and we
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