1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,240 Shalom everyone and welcome to the final section of our series 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,720 Empiriculavos. We are in our 4th and final 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,720 episode after having learnt the Mishnah of Ajova Samalaha. 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,520 Love what you do. The Mishnah of Yafa Tamatarum 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,040 Dar Harrets is a beautiful blend of Tamatarum Dar harrets. 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,640 The mission of having my basic Vasopa Torah. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,160 Minimize your work and work with Torah. 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,960 Focus on Torah and now we get to our final Mishnah. 9 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:23,360 Yeah, yeah, this is so interesting. 10 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,960 Just a few days ago an old friend of mine meets out machmic 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,200 to the math guest and said he had been discussing something 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,280 with a few friends if you want. He wanted my thoughts on it. 13 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,680 So they were talking about prechiavos and whether the ideas 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,400 in prechiavos are meant to be taken in some sort of hellacic 15 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:42,800 sense. Where like these are ideas that 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,840 are binding and everybody needs to incorporate them into their 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,840 lives without any any sort of questions. 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,840 No, no flexibility there. Or are they kind of more wisdom 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,600 statements? Aphorisms that you can you can 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,800 take, you can consider, but they don't have the same binding 21 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,880 value as hello. So you've been discussing with 22 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:02,960 his friends and he wanted my thoughts. 23 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,800 So I, I responded. I responded, but I actually sent 24 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,080 him one of our episodes and said this, this is exactly what we're 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,840 trying to do with this, with this miniseries. 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,640 We're trying to take different statements within Pagalos and 27 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,760 recognize there's, there's a total of perspective which is 28 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,240 being conveyed by these from Shanayost. 29 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,040 And the, the question we're asking is how can we take the, 30 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,040 these perspectives as nuanced as they are and as different as 31 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,880 they are and try to figure out the takeaways that each mission 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,560 has for our lives. So I'm I'm I'm excited to be 33 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,440 jumping into our 4th and file episode with Romina Fenia 34 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,120 Benicott. Yeah, it's a fascinating point 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,360 that you're making. And I think that all of these 36 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,040 episodes are really meant to be conversation starters and not 37 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,960 conversation stoppers because there's so much to talk about if 38 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,920 within each Mishnah, within each parish, and especially when you 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,960 get to the actual last mile of actually applying the entire 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,680 lives. And obviously there's place for 41 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,960 a hip sock in certain situations and guidance from Herbane and 42 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,320 other situations. So these are all very big 43 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,120 issues, and I hope that these conversations help people gain a 44 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,440 bit of a deeper and broader perspective on these issues, how 45 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,120 they relate to the connection between the Mishnaios and the 46 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,160 Mfarshum in our lives. Practically, these four 47 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,280 conversations about of us, we're sponsored loving memory of my 48 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,640 Mama Henyurila Bas Eliezer. So just before we get in, a 49 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:22,760 quick reminder to our listeners that we have a quiet WhatsApp 50 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,480 group, which has exclusive offers and bonus content. 51 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,360 So you can join that as well. We always love hearing from our 52 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,480 listeners with lots of feedback. We've gotten some great feedback 53 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,200 over this series so far. So without any further ado, my 54 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,040 name is Jacquelf Wolf. I'm Spiegelson. 55 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:51,840 And this is starting. So the final Mishnah in our 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:03:00,480 series is Paragimal Mishnahei Kola Makabel Olav Altora or call 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,480 a park menu Altora. No smell of all Malthus, but all 58 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,680 there are erets. Loosely translated we could say 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,960 as follows. Anyone who accepts upon himself 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,320 the yoke of Torah, we will remove from them the yoke of the 61 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,720 government and the yoke of Parnassa de Erets. 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,720 And anyone who removed from themselves the all of Torah, the 63 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,360 the yoke of Torah, they will receive on them the yoke of the 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,360 government and the yoke of their hearts of Parnassa. 65 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,520 Yeah. So we pointed out last week 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,240 already that our whereas our first two which Nias were much 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,040 more positive about Malacha their hearts and finding some 68 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,600 way to bring those two points together with Dora the the last 69 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,320 week and this week seemed to be much more, let's say less 70 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,720 enthusiastic about work in fact. And there's this Mishnah. 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,120 The point seems to be that if you take on a lifestyle of 72 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,640 Torah, then we're actually going to totally remove any sort of 73 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,960 async in Darris Jairez than any sort of involvement from the 74 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,480 Malthus. As opposed to Yaffa Tamatori 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,080 Imdara Tearez, which seemed to say there was something unique, 76 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,360 something special about bringing Tamatori together with Derek 77 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,040 Eretz. This almost seems to be an 78 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,760 opposite point called the capital of old Torah Mataviri 79 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,560 and MI menu Old Malthus to the old Derek Ferrets. 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,519 So how are we going to square this vision out with the mission 81 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:19,480 out that we saw two weeks ago? Yaffa Tamatori Indira Harris. 82 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,040 Yeah. What are you? 83 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:22,800 What are you opening fast when you read this mission? 84 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,160 Yeah. The first thing that jumps out 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,000 at me is this word all which seems to imply a yoke, something 86 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,520 which is heavy, a burden, something which is difficult and 87 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,840 challenging. And this obviously I think 88 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:36,440 resonates with a lot of people, the idea of stress and 89 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,840 challenges with regards to finances in general and work and 90 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,800 finances are obviously very closely connected. 91 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,560 And then specifically within the world of careers and work and 92 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,760 job security and job pressures. So the idea of Derek Harrods as 93 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,800 an OL is something which definitely resonates for a lot 94 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,040 of people. And the second thing as a as an 95 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,440 addition to that is the fact that a lot of people have this 96 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,920 conception that work is a curse. Even some people on this podcast 97 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,960 have come on and and made that made that assertion. 98 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,960 And I think if you read safer braces carefully, it's quite 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,680 clear, according to almost Alma Farshim, that that statement is 100 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,360 inaccurate because at the very beginning of the story of the 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Marisha was commanded law of da Ula Shamrock. 102 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,960 So work is not a result of his sin. 103 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,880 The result of his sin is the curse of Biziata Pecato 104 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,280 Halekham, the coach with our dark. 105 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,280 So the difficulty and the challenge and the stress 106 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,800 involved in work, that is a curse, not the work itself. 107 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,840 And that's an interesting distinction which I'd love to 108 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,040 unpack with you more in today's episode and beyond. 109 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,560 OK, awesome. Thank you for bringing that out. 110 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,760 Because the the O point is an important one and that's 111 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,520 probably going to be the key in explaining the difference 112 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,520 between the two meshnais. Whereas in Yafa Tomatori in the 113 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,400 Heritz, there's no mention of O in either either by the Torah or 114 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,120 by there. It's here we're talking not only 115 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,600 about Tori and there are parents, we're talking about old 116 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,400 Tori and all, there are parents, all Malthus. 117 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,480 So the, the point the mission seems to be making is that if 118 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,480 you accept the yoke of Toru, we have to define what that means. 119 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,640 So then the the yoke, the weight of these other two 120 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,920 responsibilities are going to be lifted somehow. 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,760 So that that's going to kind of open up the space for us to be 122 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,920 able to make the distinction between the two sides. 123 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,320 And the question is going to be, let's explore a little bit of 124 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,160 what exactly are these potential distinctions? 125 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,800 But it seems to be rooted in the in the point of oh, Torah. 126 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,480 Oh, there are harets as opposed to Jesse off with helmet Torah E 127 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,440 there are harets. So there are different takes in 128 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,160 the Mafarshan. I think you can almost say that 129 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:30,760 there are two camps here. Some Mafarshan read this Mishnah 130 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,320 as saying that if you take on the Ole of Torah, then you will 131 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:41,080 not have to be involved at all in older heritage that most of 132 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,840 them are saying this in a in a supernatural sense. 133 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,600 It's like a kashwark who's going to ensure that you won't have to 134 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,760 do any work. There are other malfunctions who 135 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,240 who say no, you will still have to do malafa. 136 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,720 It's not that you're getting a total free pass on any work at 137 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,240 all, but it's going to be easier. 138 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,080 It's going to be less, less of a weight on your shoulders because 139 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,480 you've taken on that old total. And again, that could be in a 140 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,040 supernatural sense. It could also be in a, in a more 141 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,480 revealed sense. I think for for the meteori 142 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,640 says, I don't remember everything that meteori says 143 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,040 that there's a dinner Matthew Malai and Keyshia Femidi Hehran 144 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,360 that there's there's a unique value in in supporting in people 145 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,640 supporting Femidi Hehran. The famous story, I think with 146 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,280 the hauft Stein and the hauft Stein in the grocery store and 147 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,960 the rule, the rule of rotten, it was that nobody, no other 148 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,040 grocery stores were allowed to open until the fauft Stein got 149 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,000 the whatever amount of money he needed for the day. 150 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Then he would close the store and the other stores could open 151 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,040 so that those are much more, let's say, revealed ways of 152 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,880 making sure that the people who are in the capital of old Torah 153 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,400 are supported and don't need to work hard for a living. 154 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,800 But still the recognition is that they are going to have to 155 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,680 operate the store for that hour for however long, for over long 156 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,360 they need to, as opposed to who's swooping in. 157 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,160 And in giving him a certain sense of one to make sure that 158 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,200 he's supported, Those are almost like two Kim's. 159 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,760 Some unfortunate to read this mission up. 160 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,240 Is there no malafa at all? Or is there still going to be 161 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,640 malafa? It's just less of a 162 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,440 responsibility, less of a less of a weight on your shoulders. 163 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,240 Yeah, if you take the hidden route, you say that this is all 164 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:17,960 talk about Akash Broku's special Ashkaka. 165 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,960 So that brings us straight back to the Gamar Brachas da Flamen 166 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,240 hey, which we've discussed at length in the past, and we're 167 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,720 recording this today on Lagba Omer. 168 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,040 And we know that Rashby says that those who are committed to 169 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,320 Torah won't have any needs when it comes to Paranasa. 170 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,320 But we know already back in the times of the Gamarah that Harvey 171 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,840 Asukrash be loyal Tabiadan. So we already see way, way back, 172 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,280 thousands of years ago, that the statements of Khazal are not 173 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,159 always so clear to understand how they are lived in reality 174 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:44,440 and how they actually come true when it comes to facts on the 175 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,560 ground. Yeah, we also got robust your 176 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:50,160 wife's sock a few weeks ago at the star tank event at his house 177 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,320 where he called the Rashby's perspective a a utopian vision 178 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:55,880 as opposed to a practical reality. 179 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,000 So let's let's look at a couple of them of Arshan who go into 180 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,480 more detail. I want to start with Rabini 181 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,960 Yonah. Rabin Yonah explains this 182 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,800 message. Not similar to how Yaakov you 183 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,960 spoke about last week with the same line. 184 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,640 If I say toresta Kava kumalafa arai, the meaning of being the 185 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,720 Kabul of Al Torah is that you're putting your Torah primary and 186 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,680 you're keeping your malafa, all right. 187 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,720 So you are going to have to do both. 188 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,840 You're, you are going to have to do some work in addition to your 189 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Tom Torah. But your priorities are 190 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,200 straight. Your, your primary focus is not 191 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Torah and your malafa is kept secondary. 192 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,680 Now, what's interesting, what I thought that I that I found in 193 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:36,200 Northern universalitary is that he has two ways of explaining 194 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,080 and again, similar to dichotomy, he, he makes one reference 195 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,520 almost like a supernatural element and 1A more exoteric or 196 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,680 revealed element of both explanations of both sides. 197 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,840 He says that if a person is macablo of old Torah, then 198 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,000 Hashem is going to ensure that you have no distractions from 199 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Tom Torah. He'll keep things he'll he'll 200 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,480 act as a fence for you to make sure that nothing distracts you 201 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,080 and also you'll be able to keep your priorities straight. 202 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,920 Basically, ASA who Hashir Hassan that that your ASA contour is 203 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,560 going to make sure that you don't get drawn in by the rat 204 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,120 race of thinking that I need more and I need more. 205 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,000 I need to buy this and I need to buy that. 206 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,000 You'll be able to keep your keep your focus on the things that 207 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,240 you actually need, which will allow you to keep your time he 208 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,680 set aside for tomatura as opposed to as opposed to getting 209 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,280 drawn into the need to keep working in order to make more 210 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,720 money and buy more stuff. Hashem is going to be sending 211 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,520 you distractions to stop you from learning. 212 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,400 But he also says that it's kind of just naturally when you turn 213 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,040 your focus away from learning away from a bunch of shed and 214 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,080 put it on these, let's say a parnassa concerns or my 215 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,280 concerns. So then OF KESF low use by KESF, 216 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:48,360 once you're focusing on money, you're never going to be 217 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,480 satisfied. There's always more that you 218 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,680 need that you're going to need to spend, then you're going to 219 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:55,120 need to buy. There's always there's not even 220 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,880 talking about fancy cars and big vacations, which in terms of I 221 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,680 want to redo this part of my house and I want to get this 222 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,280 type of car or I want to upgrade the kitchen in this way that 223 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,520 there are always more things you can add to that list of upgrades 224 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,160 and improvements. If that's what you're putting 225 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,240 your focus on, then you're never going to feel like I can take a 226 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,440 break from working to sit down for a seat. 227 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,480 So there's there's on the one hand, that show is going to be 228 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,160 you these distractions and on the other end, just naturally 229 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,400 based on what you're spending your time thinking about and 230 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,760 focusing on live Cassev low used by Cassev. 231 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,080 Yeah, that's very interesting. You know, we didn't do this 232 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,680 series based on the exact weeks that they come out, but we are 233 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:35,040 recording this the day after we learned Parekh Dalid and there 234 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,440 the Mishnah in the beginning of Parekh Dalid says Izo Asher 235 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Hassan Akbar Halko, very famous Mishnah and Urbina Yona there 236 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,920 also draws parallel to this idea as well. 237 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,640 And he says that anyone who really has this approach where 238 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,880 he's completely focused on learning Torah and serving 239 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,840 Kurdish Baru, and he only works in order to enable that and to 240 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,560 do the minimum amount in order to be able to have the proper 241 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,360 sustenance, but in order to be able to really focus his time 242 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,720 and energy and his Co host on on talmotora and about sashem. 243 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,680 So that person will be an ushier and that will be Samyah 244 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,520 Mikhalko, which is very interesting to see how, you 245 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,720 know, we now have three mishnaos across picayavos. 246 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,920 There are many own threads with these ideas that if you keep 247 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,080 talmotora front and center, that's what the Mishna is 248 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,600 encouraging you to do. And again, if you talk about 249 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:21,880 this dynamic between supernatural promises from 250 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Akadash Barahu versus very practical aidsas for all of 251 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Hazette, so Reyona in Paragdala Mishna Olive seems to indicate 252 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:31,160 that he's just talking about an aidsa to be happy. 253 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,080 If you keep life simple, you keep life over to Rahu, you're 254 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,840 going to be a lot happier in that way. 255 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,120 Rahsafsson Foldersch has another perspective here, which I think 256 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,160 also is based on the the word of all separating this from the 257 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,760 mission of. You have some term there. 258 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,160 The first says that if you accept Torah as the guide to 259 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,440 your values, you accept Torah as the guide to your perspective in 260 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,840 life, then you'll see value in everything you do in life, 261 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,520 basically beholder. So reverse is not saying that 262 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,160 somebody who who sees Torah as primary won't have to be 263 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,960 involved in the with the, let's say the needs of the mouth or 264 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,040 won't have to be mouthed their ferrets. 265 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,960 Rather it's the ASIC you have and those other things will be 266 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,480 given value through the perspectives that you've gained 267 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,520 from your tomatora. So it helps you your, your focus 268 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,240 on Tora, your focus on the values taught by Tora will, will 269 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:36,160 help you, will help you contextualize all the things 270 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,960 that you're doing outside of Naritam Torah through the prism 271 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,560 of or through the frame of Avodas Hashem, giving it value 272 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,880 and making it much easier to handle. 273 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,440 Whereas if you reject the OLL of Torah, you choose not to see 274 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,160 Torah as giving your life value. So then you're you're left with 275 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,760 these almost crushing weights and distractions of the OL Mao 276 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,000 Kasmoldar Haaretz without any frame to make them meaningful. 277 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Yeah. So this I guess touches on one 278 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,360 of the big issues that we have been focusing on the whole 279 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,360 entire time, which is ideally we should have a broader Hashkafa, 280 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,120 a broader outlook to life that will drive the day-to-day 281 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,080 actions. And the more that we are able to 282 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,040 connect the day-to-day actions to the big picture. 283 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,760 So the more we're able to feel a sense of purpose, a sense of 284 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,720 accomplishment. And this is something that 285 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,760 modern psychology has picked up on going back to Viktor Frankel 286 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,400 and obviously many positive psychology gurus that you see 287 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,360 out there nowadays talking about having meaning and having a why. 288 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,800 And I guess the question is it seems to be saying, which is a 289 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,640 lot easier said than done to say you should have a purpose, you 290 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,120 should have a mission. And that's going to make things 291 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,800 so much easier one. And I'm just not sure what to 292 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,120 make of the fact that if you see someone who's undergoing a lot 293 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,000 of stress and he's really unsatisfied with his life, if 294 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,360 you pull him outside and you talk to him for a second, he he 295 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,160 does he not, is he missing a mission or is he not feeling 296 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,760 connected to that mission while he's in the grind or whatever is 297 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,680 he's doing? So I wanted to hear your 298 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,520 approach to the the When you hear a story like that, do you 299 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,360 assume that the person's hashkafa isn't strong enough? 300 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Or is there a certain skill to apply in that hashkafa and 301 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,880 feeling connected to that outlook on a day-to-day level? 302 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,520 I think I think that is a great point. 303 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,760 I think it's an important point. I don't know if there's a A1 304 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,000 size fits all answer. I think you do have to kind of 305 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,560 take it on a case by case basis. But I can, I can tell you maybe 306 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,840 by way of example, something which I noticed, let's say in 307 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,400 the aftermath of of Sylvastoria and something which I saw both 308 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:35,080 both here in North Sterile and in my, in my, here in here in 309 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,680 Mitzvah Rifo, something which I was noticing with people in the 310 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,920 coastline as well. And there were people who were 311 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,160 working incredibly hard, doing really whatever they possibly 312 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,280 could to contribute to the war effort. 313 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,440 Obviously soldiers, soldiers aside, the heroes themselves 314 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,640 aside. But we had we had children. 315 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,280 We had kids going going around the issue, knocking on doors, 316 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,920 collecting things like socks and deodorant and toothbrushes. 317 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:04,240 We had we had younger kids who were doing like bake sales, 318 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,240 raising money to be able to send money to their buy things for 319 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,640 the soldiers. We had people who were offering 320 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,320 to give rides to soldiers who either needed to get the bases 321 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,840 or needed to be picked up. People there were, there were 322 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,920 women who were doing shifts of laundry. 323 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,760 We had soldiers stationed by our issue for a while. 324 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,360 So they were, they were shifts of laundry and they were making 325 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,800 breakfasts and dinners. People were working incredibly, 326 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,640 incredibly hard, but there was no sense of, I don't know what 327 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,000 the right word is. It wasn't a sense of stress as 328 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,920 much as they were putting in incredible amounts of, of effort 329 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,560 because they recognized the importance of what they were 330 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,120 doing. And they were almost like 331 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,320 energized by the work that they were doing, even though it was 332 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,320 so incredibly difficult. And it wasn't only the people 333 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,240 here. And I had a number of friends 334 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,400 who were, who were working on raising money and making 335 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,240 connections and plus Rs, I was working on getting medical 336 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,240 equipment for issue. And I reached out to somebody 337 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,560 who's connected Hatzalah. And he put me in touch with four 338 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,880 or five other people who didn't know me from Adam, had never, 339 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,760 never, never met before, never spoken to before. 340 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,319 And they were thrilled for the opportunity to try to try to 341 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,319 help me out, to try to put me in touch with the right people. 342 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,200 And I think when you have this strong sense of permission, so 343 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,800 then even when you aren't working very hard and it's, it's 344 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,160 difficult to work hard, no one's going to deny that you can feel 345 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,240 tired and you can feel that. I think stress would be relevant 346 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,440 emotion there, but it comes with a broader sense of meaning, of 347 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,920 purpose, which is energizing, is exciting as opposed to almost 348 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,560 like crushing or deadening. So I think that's kind of the 349 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,840 question more. You're working very hard and you 350 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,480 can feel the pressure of working very, very hard for a long time. 351 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,160 But I think there's a broader or more enveloping feeling of I see 352 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 the value of what I'm doing and I'm excited by the fact that I 353 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,320 have the opportunity to contribute in a meaningful way. 354 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,280 So I think in many cases, taking it away from the, the war, I 355 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,200 think in many cases where people don't have that, that immediate 356 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,440 urge or the immediate need, it's, it can be harder to tap 357 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,520 into that sense of I'm doing the thing that I was called to do or 358 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,800 I'm doing that thing which I was that which, which I was assigned 359 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,520 to for my mission. And what, when you can't tap 360 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,560 into that as strongly. So then it can be a lot more 361 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,560 difficult to feel that energy, to feel that excited. 362 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,640 There are definitely looped up into and you can see they're 363 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,000 working almost on a different level it almost seems like. 364 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,720 That's an interesting example, and I want to push back a little 365 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,160 bit because I think in such a situation, and we all felt it, 366 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,240 so the worst feeling of helplessness is that you're not 367 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,520 needed and there's nothing for you to do. 368 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,200 And that's a really terrible feeling. 369 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,800 So people were looking for anything to do that might not 370 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,400 have had any impact whatsoever on the war, but they want to 371 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,200 feel like they had some role and that prevented them from this 372 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,440 awful feeling of helplessness and a meaninglessness and just 373 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,800 being vulnerable to the tremendous tragedies without 374 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,640 having any sort of response. So I think that's how I would 375 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,040 interpret the phenomenon that you were describing, which is a 376 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,000 beautiful feeling to see everyone coming together and 377 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,640 coming out in those days. But I think it's a little bit 378 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,880 different than someone who's going to work during regular 379 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,000 times and feeling like doesn't have purpose, doesn't have 380 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,120 meaning. Close that, OK. 381 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,600 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's a, that's a solid 382 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,880 point. I think that that's a 383 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,000 alternative explanation for the for the energy, for the 384 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,400 commitment that I was seeing. I don't think it negates the 385 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,960 point. I think there are two possible 386 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,880 explanations for what I was seeing. 387 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,600 But I think generally, like you said, you quoted from Viktor 388 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,120 Frankel. I think in the past we've quoted 389 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:30,400 the focus al Babos saying that every every individual has his 390 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,840 mission. And according to Kumar also 391 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,080 about a voter Sheehy Zaralo. If we accept the idea that 392 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,760 people are created for a specific purpose of a specific 393 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,520 mission that that's not as obvious, maybe when we had we 394 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,200 had Nivea, that was part of what a person could go to, not before 395 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,880 to get guidance. And on those points, what was 396 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,400 his specific topic in life? No, we don't happen to him. 397 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,440 It's no longer as clear. A person really needs to know 398 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,640 himself, know his skills, know his abilities to be able to 399 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,120 figure out what his specific mission is supposed to be. 400 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,400 As challenging as that can be to figure out if a person is able 401 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,960 to identify it and find a way to use that in his day-to-day life 402 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,760 or let's say work towards accomplishing that mission in 403 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,640 his day-to-day life. I think it's it's, I think it's. 404 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,280 It's undeniable that the amount of energy or the amount of see 405 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,960 book that feeling can give meaning. 406 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,240 We talk about we talk about being in Evan Hashem and Evan 407 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,320 works to accomplish something specific. 408 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,080 He's given a job to do and he goes out and he doesn't. 409 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,520 You can make the argument that the I vote the Republican due is 410 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,160 limited to Torah and mitos narrowly. 411 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,800 I think that's what the Ron Cowell would probably said in 412 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,720 time, except before probably say as well. 413 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,960 I think the, the argument that we're making from, from the rub 414 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,200 from reverse is that the Avoda is much broader that we're 415 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,960 called through is much broader. And we need the contributions of 416 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,400 every individual in order to to accomplish it in each person in 417 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,960 their own right. And once you can identify what 418 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,600 that is, then you can feel like you are one, one of the you. 419 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,520 You can feel like you are one of the workers in this broader role 420 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,760 of, of developing Kloachimai, mouthfishimai and Malea the most 421 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,720 there's I think it's a unique feeling. 422 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,000 It's a special feeling and it's something that we're all 423 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,680 supposed to be trying to tap into as much as we can to actual 424 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,840 to identify what this means for each person and to then go out 425 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,640 and actually actualize this. I'm just speaking, speaking for 426 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,200 my two years teaching in Shiva. This is a conversation which I 427 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,120 had with Tamidim through with with expense of Thalmington 428 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,440 trying to trying to figure out. First of all, just generally the 429 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,000 idea of having a calling, having mission as part of your evidence 430 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,600 Hashem, and not the calling being limited to the narrow, 431 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,240 narrow definition of abodous Hashem. 432 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,800 And then for each person to think about what exactly is my 433 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,560 tafkid, recognizing that there aren't tafkiden generally, what 434 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,800 exactly is my tafkid and how am I supposed to accomplish it? 435 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,240 Generally, Talmiden would walk away from those conversations 436 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,440 energized and excited that they actually have something that 437 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,560 they can contribute to the general cloud as opposed to just 438 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,560 this feeling of I'm just another, I'm just one, one 439 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,320 member of Claire's role without anything unique or special to 440 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,360 offer. You know that that's something 441 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,560 which I noticed from those conversations as well. 442 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,800 I don't know if you like into this, but so that I think that 443 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,160 relates to the evidence of shove point as opposed to the Tora 444 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,840 point. We often talk about Shivanthanda 445 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,280 Tora and every person has their unique contribution. 446 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,680 Every person has their Hala and Torah. 447 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,760 I remember feeling personally and hearing from a number of 448 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,160 Tony didn't they're like, you can call it Triera, but like 449 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,320 they, they just didn't believe that. 450 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,720 Like are they coming up with something that Kubiki Vaygar 451 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,520 didn't come up with? They're coming up with good. 452 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,200 They're coming up with something throughout They didn't come up 453 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,920 with like they they see in what world is that happening? 454 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,680 But but if you if you take this approach, I vote a session more 455 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,400 broadly and you bring Torah into that. 456 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,200 So then I think there's a lot more room to say that I can make 457 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,440 a unique contribution both in the, the general world, but also 458 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,120 the world of Tora. Because I'm taking the Tora 459 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,120 which is uniquely connected to my, to the area of my 460 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,600 contribution and showing how Tora can comment on or give 461 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,680 direction to this, this ASIC high. 462 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,560 I mean, this mission in life, I don't know if you want to get 463 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,640 there, it might be a little too far afield, but I think it's, I 464 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,120 think it's an important. Point I I think what I would be 465 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:27,880 curious to hear from our listeners, and I'm happy for 466 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,480 everyone to reach out. There's information in the show 467 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,800 notes to hear a little bit more conversation from those 468 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,800 listening out there is that it's great to hear that the tall 469 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240 medium and yeshiva get excited and animated and passionate 470 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,640 about this idea, but it's not a super big finish to have a guy 471 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,600 and yeshiva passionate and excited about a certain aspect 472 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,400 of OS Hashem and talmotora. It's wonderful, but it's not a 473 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,920 finish. What I'd be more interested to 474 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,400 hear is from people who are actually in the workforce and 475 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,520 their days are a grind and a hustle between their kids and 476 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,840 the babies waking up at night and changing diapers and dealing 477 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,600 with drama in school and dealing with drama at work and all those 478 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,440 things. And to be able in that context, 479 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,120 to really feel a sense of purpose, a sense of mission, a 480 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,880 sense of excitement and being on fire, all those things. 481 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,960 I'd be really excited to hear from our listeners about 482 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,720 different efforts and strategies to make that happen there. 483 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,920 Because it's a lot harder, it's a lot more challenging, there is 484 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,200 a lot more distractions and a lot more things on their mind. 485 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,160 So that's something I would love to invite our listeners who are 486 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,600 out there in the workforce doing what they're doing to, to, to 487 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,480 give their perspective on this and to hear about their various 488 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,520 efforts, whether they're more successful or less successful in 489 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,640 order to feel that sense of purpose and mission and 490 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,360 excitement. I'll just share personally as 491 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,960 much as as much as what I do is either Tora Tora adjacent, 492 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,080 especially with the editing. I think I have felt that sense 493 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,680 of of excitement and being able to help help another author help 494 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,920 Tom Hoffman, being able to communicate ideas in a better 495 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,280 way, in a clearer way, in a way, which is going to be, let's say, 496 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,320 I think we said way back when the beginning of the series that 497 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,920 it's a key. I'm almost of hid their mitzvah 498 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,440 or the same way you wouldn't put fill in a brown paper bag. 499 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960 We don't want to put it to free Torah and we want Torah to be 500 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,040 presented in the clearest, nicest way possible. 501 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,080 So as much as it's not a direct a second for me, I think I have 502 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,800 felt that excitement that I'm doing something which I need 503 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,480 skill set that to be able to do and being able to make that 504 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,600 contribution. It doesn't mean that that every 505 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,960 moment is is flowers and butterflies and every single 506 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,320 moment of the editing is, is fun. 507 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,800 It's enjoyable. Definitely. 508 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,960 It can be a grind. It definitely, definitely can be 509 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,000 dry at some points. But I think the overall feeling 510 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,000 is the sense of I appreciate what I'm doing. 511 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,440 I feel like I'm making a contribution that I can make in 512 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,320 a more unique way. And that's something which is 513 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,560 personally something which is, which is motivating. 514 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,520 I would love to hear from other people to, to see if they to 515 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,280 hear if they've tapped into this as well. 516 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,280 There's obviously the challenge of of or no. 517 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,680 There's obviously the challenge of you don't, You're not free to 518 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,640 just choose the jobs that you feel like you want to. 519 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,880 You can just go with the bath weaving. 520 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,920 You do have the need to pay tuition and put food on the 521 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,240 table. And that definitely can limit 522 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,720 your options. Then if they give the voter 523 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,720 she's our load just in order to put food on the table. 524 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,760 And that that can often come at the expense of the, the 525 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,160 excitement and the feeling that I'm making this, this unique 526 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,720 contribution that OMDI can make. And so it's recognized. 527 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040 I guess that's the level one. The basic fear that a person 528 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,240 needs to do is support his family is put themselves, put 529 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,960 food on the table. And then if you're doing that, 530 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,200 Ashrafa, and if you don't have the, the excitement and the 531 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,320 feeling there, there's what to talk about. 532 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,160 Maybe we can talk about that more in the time, but to 533 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,280 recognize that in terms of the broader ratio of meaning, you're 534 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,240 supporting the family and that's taking a real responsibility. 535 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,400 If you're blessed to be able to have the, the the bandwidth of 536 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,920 flexibility to choose the giant, choose from Laha, which is more 537 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640 uniquely yours. So then recognize that you're 538 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,080 you have this this special Braha to be able to contribute to the 539 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,200 world in a way which which you were you were set aside for from 540 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,800 birth and you actually get paid for it, which is a nice product. 541 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,760 OK, I just wanted to to kind of finish things off. 542 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,440 I wanted to bring in a shoot rush quoting from the Maher Rami 543 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Rotenberg, which was really brought up by Ron Leftenstein 544 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,040 and by his light. So this is all kind of centering 545 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,680 around Surya and Bob Basra. We can assume that the star 546 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,760 think listeners are are being committed common right. 547 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,640 They're you know, they safer. So they're not going to be 548 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,600 scared off by by Sergeant Bob Basra and I'm thinking the 549 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,400 Sergeant Bovasa. They come on Bovasa and Zano and 550 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000 Basin. Hassan Malas makes the point 551 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,640 that Tamidi Khammin are further from taxes, different types of 552 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,120 taxes, taxes for Shmira, just the general municipal taxes. 553 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,720 So there are a couple of questions that we would ask 554 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,640 about a city like this. One of the questions is who 555 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,560 exactly is the Talmud Hakam that we are describing, right? 556 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,440 What? What what tests do you do you 557 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,720 need a pass to qualify for this tour from having to pay taxes? 558 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,840 Our Nona can be thousands of sheckel would be great to have a 559 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,200 tour on our Nona just because they passed the revenue or 560 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,920 something. So what, what what level of 561 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,120 Tomahawk are we talking about? So it's to start with the iron. 562 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,560 If you look on page really the entire chapter, chapter 4 by his 563 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,720 light. It's fantastic to read in this 564 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,800 context. But if we're looking at page 57, 565 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,240 Rabayan says that there are halachic implications to the 566 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,960 question. He's talking about being, being, 567 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,680 making your Torah. Keva says the commandment of 568 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600 ambassador rules that Tamila Khanim are exempt from paying 569 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,120 municipal passes. The rush says that the Tamil 570 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,160 satham is defined as a person whose Torah is his occupation, 571 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,360 Torah toh umanuto. So today we think of this in 572 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000 terms of someone whose profession it is to learn Torah, 573 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,160 someone who does nothing else. With Mahram MI Rutenberg sighted 574 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,960 in Juvis Rush, Tess Valres says that it does not mean this at 575 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,200 all. Torato umanuto applies even if a 576 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,040 person spends most of his day at work. 577 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,280 But his natural bent is to learn Torah. 578 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,080 When he has a free hour, he devotes it to Torah. 579 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600 When he has a vacation, he uses it to learn Torah. 580 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,320 That is Torato Umanuto, his natural self realizing itself. 581 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,040 Rivaran says that according to this Miami Rutenberg first in 582 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,120 tomahawkam who's to Rato Umanuto his his profession in his work 583 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,280 is not somebody who learns all day. 584 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,880 And that's not somebody who's sitting in Coel. 585 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,720 It's somebody who takes care of his responsibilities. 586 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,680 He works for a living. He's in the Farnes's family, but 587 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,480 when he has free time, he's turning it to Tora. 588 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,640 I think it's it's important to look at the actual shoot itself. 589 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,680 We said this was Tess Valchef and shoot the rush. 590 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,600 So he actually brings up a number of our Meshnais when he's 591 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,880 opening up, opening up this piece maybe to read quickly a 592 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,040 couple of a couple of pieces. He says call to Russo, Manuso 593 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,440 fiosa to Russo, right. So right there, that's our that 594 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,200 we've mentioned a few times the Hogue at the Torah, Talmud, the 595 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,280 environmentalium. He's not wasting anytime he's 596 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,640 thinking of Torah always. So kizui Havaso. 597 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,520 The only thing he's doing other than Torah is he's taking care 598 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,880 of being the finest family Kizu zuhi Havaso at his foba. 599 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,440 That's his responsibility. Kiyotha tomatora indera ferrets, 600 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,200 they're called Korea. He's quoting all of Irish knives 601 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,760 from those straight back at us, but called Ace vibo Alger saso. 602 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,960 He's thinking and learning who Vidmar Malafto hozer miya the 603 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,800 basement Joshua who na do re shiman makayim Los ani shimani 604 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,960 is somebody who's who not only walks talks the talk, he walks 605 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040 the walk. He is his, he's banahasima 606 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,720 brios. There are no bad rumors flying 607 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,320 out, flying around about him who beflao Rabanan. 608 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,280 He's considered one of these Rabanans, Martin Bo bassara 609 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,080 savaro. But oh zet Torah, right, This is 610 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,640 Armishna. He's he's brought his neck 611 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:05,640 underneath the yoke of Torah and therefore he he's entitled to 612 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,400 this break from taxes. So the shoots R Us generally is 613 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640 giving us this new definition of what a Tamah Hafum is, what tore 614 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,760 toe Uman and toe means. It's not somebody who's learning 615 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,800 all day only, but rather it's somebody who is taking care of 616 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120 his responsibilities to himself, to his families and finds his 617 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,200 family. He's working for a living, but 618 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,520 when he has time available, he turns it to Tora. 619 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,160 Later on in the in the piece, he says that when we think takes 620 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,800 care of responsibilities, we're not talking about the the 621 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,760 minimum just to get by. We're not talking about you need 622 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,640 $20 or A50 shekel to buy food for the day. 623 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160 So you're going to stop working after you've made your your 5050 624 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,640 shekel. He says that there are other 625 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,720 responsibilities. Things surprise, payments crop 626 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,520 up, your car breaks down, your refrigerator stops running. 627 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,720 Those types of things happen. And you need to have money in 628 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,120 the bank to make sure that you can cover those expenses. 629 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,760 So it's not just the bare minimum amount of money that you 630 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,960 need per day. It's that you need to you need 631 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,360 to be making the normal amount of money that's considered a 632 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,760 regular standard of living. And then once once you have that 633 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,400 kind of once your priorities are set that way that I'm not 634 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,320 looking for extras, I'm not looking for luxuries. 635 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,760 I'm just trying to make sure that I can, I can put food on 636 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,000 the table and both my kids and have a three month emergency 637 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,880 fund. And then all the rest of your 638 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400 time available you're using for Tomatura. 639 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,080 That's somebody who's toreto uma muto and not in a, let's say, 640 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,400 fluffy. I don't want to call not, not in 641 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,320 a fluffy vortlaf sense, but in a very practical sense. 642 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,840 That rush is fascinating, and it opens up a tremendous soyo, 643 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,840 which we're not going to cover in its entirety today. 644 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,480 But I will just mention briefly that there is a big discussion 645 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,440 amongst the Rishonim and Yakhonim and the gamaras about 646 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,040 what the halachic obligation is with regards to Talmatura. 647 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,160 So now there are Akhonim who assume based on Rishonim as 648 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,120 well, that the gather of Talmatura is to learn as much as 649 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,960 possible. Every spare minute should be 650 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,280 devoted to Tamatoro. Now if you assume like this 651 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,120 rush, the rush is saying that Tamidah Khamim, who are they 652 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,720 learn every spare minute. So how do these two fit? 653 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,920 So we can say one of two things. Number one is maybe the rush 654 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,600 disagrees. Maybe the rush says that for 655 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,600 regular people, regular Jew, the minimum requirement is as the 656 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,680 Gemara says, parekh chakras, parekh arvis, learn once a day 657 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,440 and once at night. And that's your have a bigger 658 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Kia and it's not the same the Kia Tamataro for a regular 659 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,360 person, regular due versus a Tommy. 660 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,680 That's option number one option #2 is to say, well, if you want 661 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,360 to make these acronium fit with the rush, what you're going to 662 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,520 have to say is that the Kia on everyone is extremely ambitious 663 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,720 and difficult and challenging. And this goes back to what we 664 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:48,800 were discussing a little bit last week. 665 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,160 It's a really, really hard thing to do. 666 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,600 So everyone is required to aspire to this and only the ones 667 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,800 that are successful in reaching that level will have the Pitar 668 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,600 of taxes. They won't have to pay their are 669 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,880 known up, which I don't know, and Karen Gavin, all the array 670 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,000 of them and their own player Nona. 671 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,840 So I'm not sure how that works. But in any case, those who are 672 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,280 successful are going to have the Pitar of terrestrium. 673 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,639 Not so, but the fee of is the same on everyone and not 674 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,800 everyone's going to be able to be successful in accomplishing 675 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,280 that fee. Those are two ways of thinking 676 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000 about the Sega as far as the fee of Tomatura and how is it 677 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,320 relates to the rush? Who says that Russo is someone 678 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480 who works but learns as much as physically possible? 679 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,199 Yeah, great point, Yakov. That definitely does bring up 680 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,560 this this again, it's a huge one time. 681 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,520 Something which would be interesting to look at as well 682 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,560 is the rush himself, the way he explains that that famous 683 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,920 question from the brothels about about Verifos, the Thora and why 684 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,679 there's no hepsic when it comes to the maybe that maybe that 685 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,280 would be relevant here as well. How much Torah do we assume 686 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,760 people are learning throughout throughout their days? 687 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,040 OK, I just want to end things off with one more point on this. 688 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,760 Yeah, it's really common from Tosos. 689 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,440 I'm back in my right and above Basra. 690 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,520 Essentially what we're saying from the Myron Rutenberg from 691 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,160 the from the rush for my round is that the the definition of 692 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,840 the Tom Hawking has this exemption from taxes is not 693 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,920 somebody who's learning only, but rather somebody who's 694 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,640 prioritizing Torah along with all the other things that he 695 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,880 needs to do if any free moment is given to learning. 696 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,120 So that's somebody who's the rest of the Maso and he has his 697 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,680 exemption from from having to pay these taxes. 698 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,280 He has B status from Tom Hoss. So it's interesting just in 699 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,080 terms of the source for this then, then to admire the top of 700 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:36,320 Krzanov and Bob Basra posts from from Thornton Viv and Ksubu to 701 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,080 say that somebody who makes Tom Hassim based access is over on 702 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,640 all three. Buster King Ksubim is a Buster 703 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,960 from Ezra where Daryavish the commands of his his officers in 704 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,840 the region not to take taxes from people who were doing the 705 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,320 following. And says L'schelli, the Miramar 706 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,760 al Lehen, they're the certain Jewish people you should not 707 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,440 take taxes from or these people doing tossu, says the Vishal you 708 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,640 Oskay Masukin, the Malekhes Shamayan, the Binyan Basa 709 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,400 Mikdash the the Daryavi said that the people who were 710 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080 involved in building the base Mikdash should not have to pay 711 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,640 taxes. Don't click taxes from that. 712 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,400 And Tosa says her nominee in Wahatu Mas, how Lom de Torre SO2 713 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,600 Lom de Torre who are also involved. 714 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,920 It seems like ghosts saying in Maleficent Shanayim should not 715 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160 be charged. Should I have to pay taxes? 716 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,800 We should not in their leads and pay taxes. 717 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,160 Now this phrase of Asukin in the Maleka Shanayim, they were 718 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,640 involved in in God's work. They're involved in building the 719 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,720 base. Mikdash is a much broader term 720 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:42,280 than Jess the the Nero Oskin Vittora, and it calls the mind 721 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,520 Gemara in Sokka about about the tour of Osaka mitzvah utterman 722 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,200 mitzvah. The price on Huff Vav 723 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,440 Amanalathan Sokkha says that it gives a whole list of people who 724 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,800 who do this do that. And not only those people, but 725 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,880 anybody who's Osak Kola Hoskin, the Malaka Shamayan are also 726 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,760 going to be have this exemption of osek, the mitzvah, Qatar 727 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,200 minha mitzvah. It's a much broader formulation 728 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,080 than jest. You're doing mitzvah, therefore 729 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,760 you're butter. And I think gives a lot more 730 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,840 room for a explanation like revirons, an explanation like 731 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,920 the rush, the Miami Ruttenberg. Now we're not looking only for 732 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,720 the people who are in the base measures 24/7. 733 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,160 We're recognizing that Koloski Mamala Shamayan can be defined 734 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,720 in a much broader sense than that. 735 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:30,640 You you go to work from 9:00 to 5:00, you come home, spend spend 736 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,400 an hour with your kids. How about help out with bedtime? 737 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,840 And you get to the base measures and you get in, you get in the 738 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,560 seder before daven. You get in the seder acid 739 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,400 davening, whatever it is. But you have a full day and you 740 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,680 can call the entire day, Oh sake, Mamala Shamayan beholder 741 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,840 half a day. Who? 742 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,440 And that's the person that we're talking about in this Kamara in 743 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,480 Bava Basra. Just like to to term it as 744 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,280 Koloskin from Lechsia mine. I would just like to, to, to 745 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,240 reference how we ended off the previous episode of putting the 746 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,520 identity, centering the identity of the Nova Deschem as opposed 747 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,480 to a Lolita only. I I think this this line from 748 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,920 Tosos really strengthens that perspective. 749 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,440 Yeah, there's a fascinating halachic discussion on that 750 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,320 gamar in Sokka with the Magnavron, the beer Halaha and 751 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,560 other acronym, which talk about the following question. 752 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,720 What about someone who's a SOFA Stam or a salesperson for SOFA 753 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,600 Stam? But it's also NASA. 754 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,400 So is that considered OSIK mitzvah, paterman and mitzvah? 755 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,520 And it's a very fascinating discussion. 756 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,800 One of the fascinating opinions is that, well, there's a 757 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,560 possibility that a person can have two cavanas with the same 758 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,800 thing. Yes, Cavana lashane parnassa and 759 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,960 also cavana Lashaime chamain. So without going too deep into 760 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,560 the degree of that. So yeah, I think what we see 761 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,000 from from this and all of our discussions that have been so 762 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600 fascinating and so illuminating and so interesting have been the 763 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,520 importance of our mindset, our shkafa and our cavanas. 764 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,360 And the fact that you have Cavana in order to make a 765 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,720 Parnassa doesn't negate another pronounce a broader idea. 766 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,080 Sorry, doesn't negate a broader Hashkafa, a broader kavana, 767 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,000 broader intent and mindset. And going back to the the 768 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,920 beautiful sky from Rusher Weiss, he also emphasized the the 769 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,760 importance of beholder had a who and having the right Kavanas. 770 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,560 You know that Rambam in hill host Deos is is a very, very 771 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,520 challenging one. It can be the most beautiful and 772 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,000 useful and helpful Rambam. It could also be the most 773 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,880 distracting and difficult one because you could take anything, 774 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,440 any need to go to a football game or any need to sleep in for 775 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,080 an extra couple hours and say, well, really, I need this to 776 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,240 have Co-op and I need this to feel fulfilled and I need this 777 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:24,600 to be happy and be in a good enough mood. 778 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,440 So it's very dangerous. It's very difficult. 779 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,880 But I think the, the one of the bottom lines that we could take 780 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,480 out of all these conversations is the importance of having 781 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,720 Cavanos to vote to be Lesim Shamayim to try to align our 782 00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:39,160 actions with our scuffles and with our intentions and our 783 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,080 mindset. And I think that the that's just 784 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,800 a big take away that we should always be having in mind is 785 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,680 trying to constantly be checking in and clicking in and 786 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,640 connecting to our higher purpose and our ultimate reason why 787 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,200 we're here in life. And hopefully that will infuse 788 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,360 our day-to-day actions, our day-to-day work, even the 789 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,120 seemingly mundane things with a higher purpose and more 790 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,680 motivation. And inspiration. 791 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,360 Not to say that we strive to be a Monmouth, we all strive to be 792 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,440 Marvin, but to recognize that the Kavana plays such an 793 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,440 incredibly central role. Fantastic, fantastic for him. 794 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,400 Thank you so much for bringing that. 795 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,960 OK, so just run through what we spoke about. 796 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,400 We we we recognized we just to run through what we spoke about. 797 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,040 We noticed that this mission that seems to be less 798 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,240 enthusiastic about about the concept of Tara Tara's actually 799 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,160 seems to say that if you embrace Torah, then you won't have to be 800 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,720 involved in darah theorists at all. 801 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,680 He said that some of fortune some fortune understands that 802 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,520 way, whereas other maversion say that you're going to have to be 803 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,760 involved in even this mission is saying you will have to be 804 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,320 involved in some some measure some measure of the and the 805 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:51,080 question is really how much some information talk about the talk 806 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,080 about this divine or supernatural intervention to 807 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,840 make sure that you won't have to work at all or you're only going 808 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,480 to have to work a little bit other more. 809 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,400 If I shouldn't take any more esoteric or reveal way with 810 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,440 different suggestions for how to make sure that you're not going 811 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:11,640 to be working as hard review. Yona Riviona had really had both 812 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,640 Veniona said on both sides of the of the mission up both in 813 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,080 the capital of Altora and also boric menu Altora, there's a 814 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,320 hidden and revealed explanation. On the one hand, the sham is 815 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880 going to ensure that there are no distractions from Tom Torra. 816 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,200 If you accept the all of Torah and also the ASIC, the Torah 817 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,240 will keep your priority straight, allowing for azu 818 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,760 washer Hasan Alco stopping you from getting drawn into that rat 819 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,640 race. Whereas if you're Boric me menu 820 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,800 called Torah, so then #1 SM is going to pile on those 821 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,120 distractions and you won't have the freedom to learn even if you 822 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,440 did choose to. And also the problem of, oh, we 823 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,760 have Cassa police. But Cassa, once your, once your 824 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,840 mindset is focused on, is focused on the, your, your 825 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,160 income and, and, and expenses and things like that. 826 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,560 So then they're always going to be more things that you want to 827 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,240 spend money on. They're all so they're always a 828 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,240 higher level vacation or better seats, nicer car. 829 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,480 Then you're going to be inexorably drawn in to this 830 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,560 never ending, never ending stream of having to make more of 831 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,240 more money That that was the ribbon Yona The first had a 832 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,680 different take. The first thought that the idea 833 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,320 of old Torah versus old mouthfuls old darah Harris is 834 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,840 that if you accept Torah as the guide to your values and your 835 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,440 perspective in life. So then you'll be able to you'll 836 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,600 have a frame to see the value in your darah Farris in your civic 837 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,160 involvement as well. Whereas if you reject the old 838 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,120 Torah and you reject the guidance given by Torah, so then 839 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,880 you're going to feel crushed. You're going to feel weighted 840 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,800 down by your responsibilities of of Malthus and Darth Harris 841 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,840 because you won't have a frame that gives them meaning that 842 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,680 gives them context. Finally, we ended off with the 843 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,840 shoot shooter rush. According to Marami Rutenberg 844 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,360 that was brought up by Ryan Duffenstein in Nice light 845 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,240 defining the the fact we ended off with Shooter Rush and the 846 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:03,840 Sigde in Bhagbasra Zion and Basin Ffestmanalov quoting from 847 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,680 the Murrah Mirrenberg. It was brought up by Irvan 848 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,240 Dithenstein in the 4th chapter by his light basically defining 849 00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,120 to Russo Umanasso not as somebody who's learning the 850 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,920 entire day, but somebody who prioritizes his learning when 851 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,640 possible together with his other responsibilities. 852 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,200 Being the Farnese is Fernan and then recognizing this broader 853 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,120 definition of what of what is what the rest of the muscle 854 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,960 means. I suggested maybe could be 855 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,160 related to tospos who who spoke about Koloskin and Pemalekha 856 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,840 Shamayan in terms of the Binion based Mikdash and extrapolated 857 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,120 from that to Lundi Tora. I suggested and we brought it 858 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,000 with Kamaransuka as well about Jose Mitzvah, but the mitzvah 859 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,080 also applying to somebody who's Ozkola Ozkin, but blah Shamayan 860 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,080 in the app of you brought up the, the Magna Rum about the 861 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520 idea of, of depending on what your cabana is. 862 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,800 Are you looking to make money or are you looking to facilitate 863 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,520 Avodah Hashem being a significant factor. 864 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,320 So we're just kind of saying just more more broadly, because 865 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,440 that as long as you're at cabana is oriented towards Avodah 866 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:10,760 sashem holder Hecha, the EU is as challenging as that can be. 867 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680 It also gives so much more latitude for the full wealth and 868 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,200 breadth of a of a of a full life in Avodah sashem as opposed to 869 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:25,000 the narrow in Torah and mitzvos. Yeah, just to review, two of the 870 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,880 interesting tangents that we went into #1 is on Urbina Yona 871 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,920 Rinona has a similar idea we mentioned last time about having 872 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,400 my basic W Okatara. And another Biniona that we 873 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,880 mentioned is on the mission of Azio Usher Hassanaba Helko. 874 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,200 So those 3 missionaries are all kind of going to Viniona, and 875 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,080 maybe a little work needs to be done to figure out exactly how 876 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,760 to understand this idea of Azo Usher Hassanaba Helko and what 877 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,240 exactly that means on a practical level. 878 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:50,720 That's another discussion that we had. 879 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,320 Also on rehearsh, we got into the question of how this 880 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,440 actually applies day-to-day when you're very busy and have a lot 881 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,360 of going on, whether it's family and kids and to what extent 882 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,160 we're able to dial in to those passions and to those hoskafos 883 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,560 on the day-to-day level. And I again, invite our 884 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,560 listeners to to, to reach out and to give some perspective on 885 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,960 that. And finally, on the rush, as you 886 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,880 said correctly at the end, the importance of cabana, something 887 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,480 that we've talked about many, many times. 888 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,720 And there's something that we will end off on now by saying 889 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:26,280 that the pasuk initially, it says behold is a small pasuk. 890 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,560 The Gomora Bracho says that is super fundamental and important 891 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,640 to everything that we do. And hopefully we can all be 892 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,640 zoka, to live with a sense of purpose and identity and ideals, 893 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040 and that our bigger picture in life, our bigger purpose, is 894 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,800 something that we can be cognizant of and aware of and 895 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040 connected to in the day-to-day, more mundane, seemingly mundane 896 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,880 activities. Thank you so much Jacob, I 897 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,200 really enjoyed this. Let's see, this was fun and we 898 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:59,360 should do it more often. Thank you so much for tuning in 899 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,440 to start Tank. Thank you to my dear friend 900 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,960 Ritzy Goldstein for his capable and insightful Co hosting 901 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,080 capabilities. 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