Oh, hello, creeps. All right, welcome back to Fray
Night Flicks. You're here with Dan and Darren.
What's up, guys? What is up, everybody?
Today we have a movie that involves whitewater rafting,
cave exploration, I mean, some serious rock climbing.
Dude, these girls are next. Level.
They're on a whole nother level. We'll get to that.
Almost superhuman strength. But really, what it involves is
squeezing into tight spaces, don't you?
Mean something by that? Well, no, they're in a cave.
Yeah, Yeah. Oh, guy, The Cave stuff could
have been its own horror movie, you know, without the monsters.
You know what I mean? If you don't know, we're talking
about The Descent came out in 2005.
That's what we're reviewing today.
I just saw something ahead in the tunnel.
But yeah, they actually could have, I think, done some more
squeezing, to be honest. I had enough of it, man.
It's hard for me to watch. That is like my worst nightmare.
Do you ever watch those YouTube videos?
Yeah, we've talked about it. I watch them all the time.
OK, where the people squeeze in, they have to like breathe out to
even fit in The Cave. It's hard.
It's hard to even talk about it. It just bothers me that people
would ever even do that. Well, they do, and most of them
are alive, so relax. There's a lot that aren't Nutty
Putty, you know? You know what I'm saying?
Oh. Jeez, that one's that dude just
thinking about. That's horrible.
Anyways, let's get back to the movie.
The Descent is about a peaceful community of cave dwelling
survivors that live deep underground, having long ago
adapted to life in total darkness.
After being cut off from the surface, their world is suddenly
disrupted when 6 thrill seeking explorers descend into their
homes, collapse their caves and brutally attack their family.
What follows is a brutal fight of survival as they try to
defend their home. I didn't know that they were
cave dwelling survivors. Those were those were humans.
I think that's the lore. I mean it kind of looked like
they were human ish. I didn't know they were actually
humans that evolved over time. I think that's what we're to
believe. I mean, that's.
Kind of crazy, right? It's not.
I don't feel like that much time had passed.
They've been down there for a long time, dear.
I, I mean, we actually, I have no idea how long they were down
there, so we'll go with it. Do you not have anything to say
about what that what I just read to you?
What what what I miss? I flipped the entire thing.
That is not what this movie is about.
I made it like The Cave people were the victims.
Oh, I just thought that was someone's summary of the movie.
Do you think that The Cave people were the good guys?
Well, I'm going to be honest. You read the Summers.
I'm not really listening. I'm just going to listen to a
word of that. I'm like sitting here, like, is
he going to say anything? Well, that's really funny.
I mean, that is true. You know, their space did get
invaded. I tried to take a different
perspective, but apparently that went way over your head.
I'm sorry. I failed.
You So what this is actually about is a splonking trip that
goes horribly wrong. They get trapped in a cave and
meet some cave people. Yeah, that, that sounds more
like the movie, I say. This is directed by Neil
Marshall. Also written by Neil Marshall.
Actors. I don't even know who they are.
Random people. Sure they did a good job.
Now Ron Tomatoes critics 87, Audience 76.
This is like you could add up the leprechaun scores like the
critic and the audience and they would be less than one of these
scores. You mean if you added the whole
series? I know we've been in the mud.
It's nice to see a good movie. Not that leprechauns aren't
good. I don't want to clown.
They are what they are. I got some issues with this
movie, but we'll get to it before we jump in.
First of all, I didn't say it was perfect.
This would be clear all right before.
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Well, it's not OK. They're not new movies.
There are movie reviews and we have a bunch of them.
Like we, I don't even know how many at this point, 1520.
Sure enough for you to be satisfied.
Yeah. And we just dropped dead silent,
which was a really fun one. So.
So it's a little for you, a little for us.
Win win. Let's.
See what the people had to say about The Descent, starting with
Devin. Harrowing film that subverts
expectations. I threw that in there because
you love saying that. Yeah, that's kind of your line.
Well, I mean, it's not my line. I think it's just like a normal
thing horror movies should do, right?
Or movies in general. Sure.
Yeah, this is probably one of my favorite movies of all times.
It features a great story, relatable and well written
characters. I guess.
Relatable. Sure, we'll go with that.
Deceptive set pieces, Moody music and impressive
cinematography. I'm going to be honest, the rest
of this is long. He loves it 5.
Stars. That's fair, that's your opinion
it I agree it was pretty good test Cal really good.
Hard to watch if you're afraid of tight spaces going.
To stop you right there, 100% there was some parts man.
It was just tough to watch. This was a real surprise when I
first watched. It was really well done, great
acting, surprising twists and turns, and extremely hard to
watch as I don't care for tight spaces.
Five stars. She nailed that one home.
Gary So hey guys, have you not heard of leaving bread crumbs or
this way out markings? And what do these mole devils
eat when hapless adventures are not on the menu?
Centipedes. 3 stars. OK, I got some problems with
this. This review is just.
Wrong. My first question is like, did
you not see all the animal bones down there?
OK, I'm not so sure he watched this movie because they made it
clear that these little cave dwellers go out of The Cave and
eat animals, right? Well, I mean, we saw like that
elk in the beginning. Yeah, they're going out of the
caves, eating animals and coming back in.
Also, bread crumbs. What?
How's that going to help you? Right, that time collapses.
Are you talking about actual bread crumbs?
No, they're saying, have you not heard of leaving bread crumbs?
The idea of like, hey, like as if they got lost in the caves
and couldn't get out. They didn't get lost, they got
stuck. Yeah, that you're correct.
So this review is 0. I'm sorry Gary, you're an idiot.
Shouldn't have left for a review on this.
It's just what it is, man. Next one is bad film.
There is no name just bad film. OK trash ending and pointless
plot. I have an OLED and the dark
scenes are simply terrible, almost unwatchable.
Scriptwriters were probably drunk when they whipped this one
up. One star.
Hey this movie is not for everyone but dude, the fact that
it was so dark in the caves is what made it so scary, right?
Well, yeah, and I do have some issues when it became lighter at
times. Oh, OK.
What? Why?
Well, I just don't think there was lighting in The Cave.
Yeah, it was really dark, but I kind of liked that about the
movie. I felt like I was in a cave.
But I'll go back to another view.
It is a little ice. Training okay next one Brian.
Absolutely horribly written. Story sucks, acting sucks.
These women are terrible as season adventures.
Everything seems forced. Cheap scares.
Save two hours of your life one star.
He does bring up a good point though.
Are they good adventurers? Well I feel like they're just
casual adventurers, right? I mean they never should have
been going into this cave in the 1st place, which they weren't
supposed to be. Well, OK, that's part of the
story. Let's not go too deep yet.
I told you I'm not good at this part.
OK, well, let's just move into our initial impression.
So yeah, there is the adventure they go on.
They're, I don't know, they whitewater raft earlier on.
They did fine there. They seem to be able to climb
with the best of them. Yeah, they're like extreme
athletes. Extreme casual athletes, I
guess. It's a it's an interesting
group. So if we haven't mentioned it,
it's an all female cast. In fact, there's one dude in
this movie. He gets wiped out very quick.
Yeah, we get him for a short amount of time and honestly not
the best of dudes. That is true.
Did you know the little sub story in this?
I didn't catch it to the second time watching through 100%.
I didn't catch it till the beginning of the movie.
And I'm like wait, hold on, why is he helping her with her
helmet? Well, and then I'm like, wait,
is that her? Husband, it got really weird
because they don't it's it's stupid, honestly.
Like the way they do it is not. It doesn't really make sense.
OK, wait, we got to say the guy's having an affair.
We'll just blow that little. No, that's not.
What I was going to say. Storyline What about twist?
I guess it's a twist, I don't know, but they do it in a way
that it it wouldn't make sense. Like it's like basically
cheating in front of your partner almost.
It it's confusing, honestly, it's really confusing, so
whatever. And they don't address it
really. No, they just kind of leave it
for you to figure out. Which again like you I didn't
figure it out till the second time.
Yeah, because there's like a couple little things that are
said that you're like, oh, OK, maybe that's a thing.
Yeah, it's not spoon fed, but OK.
Anyways, what this movie really is about, it's an allegory of
womanhood for womanhood. Really.
No, I just said that I don't know because I dude, there's a
point where I'm not. I don't really even know what
this is actually supposed to be about.
I. Don't really even care, I didn't
watch this movie to go deep. I just wanted to go into a cave
ironically, which is deep though, but I wanted to go in
there and get scared and hey, it worked for me.
I was pleasantly surprised because I had heard of this
movie but never really had a desire to watch it.
In fact, I don't know anyone that had watched it.
You never saw it before, right? No.
Yeah. And so I went into it pretty
fresh and man, I thought it was, it was really good.
It scared the heck out of me. And even the second time it
scared me. Really.
Yeah. You didn't get like jump scared
at all. I don't think so.
Maybe there's a couple like kind of jump scares you.
Got to let yourself loose man, you're too uptight.
I don't know. No, I thought it was creepy,
they monsters the way they looked.
No, it was all right, but. Yeah, they were kind of orchish.
In fact, coming off that leprechaun, that one.
Which one was it? Not the Return.
So Origins. Oh God, it was kind of a similar
look. They look orchish.
Yeah, I mean, they had to make them look like creatures that
had lived in caves for a long time.
So they're pale white, look like humanish, but with everything
white. Kind of fishish too.
Yeah, I feel like the skin's wet.
The story in this is is a little all over the place.
Like we start off with some trauma and I guess that is part
of the movie. And that's where I think like
The Cave is like a metaphor. Like it plays into that because
like she's going through this trauma, they're going into this
dark cave. But then we also have like this
weird cheating storyline going on and this group of friends
interacting. I don't know, it just is kind of
a it's a little bit all over. Yeah, and I don't need that much
of a story. Just throw us in a cave and
let's see what happens. You know, I don't care about
relationships. You could have.
Totally. Gotten rid of the kidding and
just yeah, gone into The Cave. Just six girls going in a cave
looking for some fun. Yeah, let's spend a little more
time with them. Maybe they, you know, well, they
did throw a few back, but maybe things get a little crazier, you
know, I. Think I know exactly what you're
saying, and that's not the type of movie we want to review,
Daniel. You know what else should we
should we start doing those reviews?
No, we shouldn't. So The Cave, it is very dark.
Another thing we got wet caves. What do you mean because?
There's water, lots of water in these caves.
Is that not normal for caves? I feel like there's water in
caves. Well, yeah, I mean, there is
water in some caves, but I wouldn't go in The Cave with
water. OK, Daniel.
Well, it wasn't like it was raining either.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of
fluid. A bigger issue I had which you
have written here, the girls look alike, especially 2 of
them. Yeah, there's our main character
is Sarah, and she looks just like Rebecca.
Well, they look pretty close, but the problem is when you get
into a cave. You can't tell the difference.
No, I I honestly had no idea if I was looking at the main
character or that other Rebecca girl half the time.
It's like, especially once stuff like starts getting crazy in the
movie, that's where I'm like, I don't know which one's which I
was watching him. Like, how on earth is Daniel
going to be able to tell who is who?
Well, I had to watch it a couple times and I took a lot of notes,
but I figured it out. So overall, what was your
impression? Do you like it?
Yeah, I'd, I'd say overall I appreciated the movie.
Is it like one of my favorite? No, but I mean, I think it's
interesting. It's a little all over the
place. Like I said, the plot and like
some of the writing, I guess it'd be the writing come, it
gets like muddied, muddied to the point where I'm like, I
don't know what they're trying to portray with this character.
I agree. And the characters like didn't
really stand out to me like the the supporting cast.
I don't really know who is who other than the wild crazy girl
Holly. Holly, yeah, I recognize her.
But the rest of them just kind of blend.
Yeah, they definitely blend. Also we didn't even mention
there's like a huge I guess twist at the end.
It's more of a shocking moment. Yeah, well, the endings I
probably very controversial. I would say it kind of came out
of nowhere. It seemed extreme.
Extreme. Very extreme.
Yeah, but I'll say this, putting these girls in a dark cave with
monsters in there, I find like, I love that.
I thought that was so good. It was really scary because I
could just imagine me being in that situation.
I would be terrified because I don't like caves, don't like
tight spots, don't like monsters.
OK, that's all reasonable. So it worked.
For me in that way. Yeah, You know, I feel like I
could have used more like cave squeezing, like actually like
getting into stuff, like trying to get through areas maybe, I
don't know, it's because it seems there's a couple tight
spots, but once they get through those, really it becomes more of
cave Cliff problems. Yeah, you're right.
It becomes about how to traverse this Cliff by by cliffhanger
ring. Yeah, Can we say that?
And it seems like they tend to come back to the same Cliff.
A couple times. Oh you're right, we do revisit
the same spot, I agree. Hey, you want to hear something
crazy? But there were no caves in this
movie It. Wasn't filmed in a cave.
There were no caves, it was all sets.
I I figured probably because that'd be pretty crazy to put
these actors in cave squeezing through tight spots.
I wouldn't do it. It'd be also hard to film.
I don't know how you'd fit like cameras and stuff.
No. So that yeah, OK.
Anyways, you want to break it down, Let's go.
The film begins where any great horror film does on a raging
river doing some whitewater rafting.
These girls are. Badass.
Apparently they actually rafted this, which didn't shock me, but
it was in the trivia. Like, actually, there's a lot of
good trivia. Then you should stay around for
it. But they apparently did it.
I'm like watching. I'm like, yeah, I mean, you
float down on a raft. Yeah, but I could have done
that. Wasn't that?
Hard. Good job.
So in this raft, there's only three girls right now.
It's Juno, Sarah and Beth. Now Sarah's going to be our main
character and Juno is like the protagonist.
Well, antagonist, right? That's correct.
Pro would be Sarah and and Beth and Sarah are friends, right?
I feel like they're closer together.
Yeah, Juno's a little. Well, Beth doesn't like Juno,
but that's probably because she knows some things.
Yeah, and Juno's very Type A. She seems like the leader from
my. Yeah, she's the leader, I'd say.
She's the most extreme. Well, they finished their little
rafting event and it just so happened Sarah's husband and her
daughter are waiting for them. Now this is where it starts to
get interesting. And because Juno had fallen into
the water or someone pushed her in, it was like a little joke.
Sarah's husband decides to go and like care for Juno where his
wife just got done. She's out like putting this raft
away, doesn't talk to her, go straight to Juno and like is
unclipping her helmet and taking it off.
And I just when you first watch it or you don't even know what
you're really seeing. You're just like, OK, whatever,
they're together. Well, yeah, you don't even know
who this guy is. Could you imagine You go
whitewater rafting finish. Your wife is waiting for you and
she and like, starts helping some other dude kind of undress,
you know? Yeah.
Well, it just doesn't happen and especially we already said these
two had a relationship or have a relationship, I guess do you
know and this girl's husband, are they not trying to hide it?
That's why I'm it just Is this an open?
Relationship. I know because immediately I'd
be like, well, hold on, that's not OK.
Maybe it was an open relationship.
I mean, that makes more sense than anything.
Else I actually kind of almost would.
I don't. Know.
Who knows? Whatever.
Anyways, Sarah gets in the car with her kid and her husband and
she starts to sense like something's off with her
husband. Yeah, he's not really talking
much. There's a bad vibe.
Maybe it's that he's being in Juno.
What you think you'd be happy about?
So she reaches over and she like places put her hand on his arm,
you know, just kind of like just touch bases with him.
Unfortunately for Sarah, this sets off one of those final
destination moments. This was crazy.
It shocked me. So the initial touch causes her
husband to kind of pull away in disgust like that she touched
his arm, but it also distracts him from the road.
So he's now paying since the road, he's now looking at Sarah
and he just so happens to start to veer into some oncoming
traffic. Well, there just happens to be a
car coming the other direction. He slams head on into the car.
That's not all though, because this car happens to be hauling a
load of metal pipes and the impact of those vehicles
colliding since these pipes turning into head seeking
projectiles are. You OK?
You seem a bit distant. I'm fine.
Yeah, it goes through 2 heads. The daughter we don't see the
daughter head, but the husband head it goes through like the
headrest and head. I mean, I'm.
Assuming it went through her head as well, right?
I would I would like to assume that.
Yeah, God, what a dark start to the movie.
When I saw that, I'm like, OK, hold on, 'cause then I'm also
thinking, is this gonna turn into a psychological thing?
Well, it starts out that way. And I think they toy with that.
Yeah, I think they do play with us.
But man, what a brutal way to kill off two people.
I mean, the daughter's young too, by the way.
Not that age matters that much, but it kind of does.
Hey, she's. Dead.
Yeah, whatever. He's.
So Sarah gets taken to the hospital.
She wakes up and now she's like in a long dark hallway and it's
just getting darker behind her. So she starts like, kind of
jogging and then the lights catching up.
Well, the anti light, the dark, yeah.
It's called dark so. So you're thinking this is like
a nightmare? Right, right, right.
So she's just sprinting. OK.
I just have to say her Sprint was pretty amazing.
Oh, does she have a good arm? Dude, good arm movement, great
sprinter. OK, so anyway, she ends up like
running to the end, runs into Beth's arms, lights are back on.
It was in her head. Yeah, so I'm not sure what that
was. I I just took, she's going to go
through some stuff, which is like your family just died.
So I get it, I guess. No, I will say in this movie
that's like the end of that though, end of the psychological
stuff. No, there's definitely some
other times where she hears things.
You know what? Now that makes sense.
Actually I thought it was cave children.
No, and well, actually that's valid.
Thank you. I also there's also another
scene where she's at the window and there's a really good jump
scare that scared the heck out of me.
OK, yeah, we'll get. We'll get to that.
We cut to one year later and we're travelling in the
Appalachian Mountains. Which is a very interesting
mountain range. A range of mountains it is.
A range of mountains. There's a lot of mysteries in
the Appalachians. Yeah, Appalachian Leachian last
time. I'm going to say it when.
We arrive at the Chattooga National Park.
I want to say Chattanooga, but this one's Chattooga.
Yeah, right. By the way, this film wasn't
filmed in the US at all. This was in the UK.
They're all foreign, aren't they?
Funny you mentioned it, every actress in here is from like a
different country. Oh, that's kind of cool.
They're all split up. And Speaking of that, why don't
we just meet the cast 'cause we're going to be like, it's a
group of 6 girls, I might as well tell you who they are.
Sarah main character, Dead family.
Yeah. So obviously with her, she's
going to be dealing with this trauma.
I think we pick it up a year later is when we're going to
come back to I. Already said, I just said.
Yeah. Well, we're here a year later,
so that's with her. She's going to kind of go
through a little emotional journey on our adventure
together today. Yes.
Then we have Juno, now Juno's
again. She's kind of leading this
thing. She's putting this whole event
on. She's like the one who picks The
Cave, all that stuff. Kind of a villain.
We'll talk about it, but she definitely kind of comes off
cold to me. Not like she's like mean, but
just like she's got motive. Yeah, there is some.
I don't know. She has a couple moments too
where she's like in The Cave and she's just like taking it all
and almost seems disconnected. Yeah, that was weird.
When the water's dripping on her.
Yeah, how about that leg lift, too?
That was weird. Oh, we're going to talk about
that. Next.
We have Beth. Beth is Sarah's friend.
Yeah, she's going to be a doctor.
Yeah, she seems nice, seems like a good friend.
That's all I really got from Beth.
Well, how good of a friend? Because Beth didn't go to the
funeral because she had finals or something?
That was Beth. That was Beth.
I think I'm confused. Nope, I got confused.
That's not Beth. Beth, Sarah's friend.
Yeah, I was going to say I think not a doctor.
Yeah, it's hard to keep this straight.
I thought that was like the shorter girl that was the
Doctor. OK, Sam is the Doctor and her
sister's Rebecca, who looks like Sarah.
Correct. But they're both kind of filler
characters. Yeah.
You don't need to know too much. They'll be around.
Then we have Holly. She is the extreme sports girl.
Yeah, she's got like the Butch cut and she is she what they say
she does the jumping off the base, jumping into because we're
going to there's a little bit of girl.
Time where we get to learn a little more.
OK, so I already kind of mentioned it, but Juno's put
this trip on for the girls and it's kind of like geared towards
getting Sarah back out out into the wild.
I got the vibe this is their first trip all back together
since the event happened. But before we go to The Cave, we
have one night where we got to stay in the cabin.
Cabin. Cabin, right?
Yeah. Girl time.
Hang out, have some beers, talk some stuff, whatever girls talk
about. Yeah, whatever girls do when
they're together, I'm going to leave it at that.
I was I there was things I was going to say, but.
I had jokes too but I'm like. Yeah, they're too easy.
It's kind of corny. I feel the same way.
OK, let's talk a little bit about Holly now.
We just mentioned her. She was OK.
You mentioned she was what, some, what'd you say, extreme
athlete? Yeah, well, she's a teacher, I
guess. Oh, is she?
Yeah, that's her base job. But she also base jumps like she
jumps off buildings and she's a mentalist.
Man, they gave her a lot of. Things I know and she OK that.
Another thing is she's Juno's protege.
So they introduce her like oh it's Juno's protege and I'm
sorry I just thought they might be lesbians.
I thought they had a relationship too but I guess
not. I don't think so but then
someone threw out their like I always thought Juno would eat
her young and then I was like they are lesbians.
I don't know, man. Who knows?
It doesn't matter. They're not they're not because
then they say they want kids and, and obviously Juno's with
the dude. I don't know, it just it was
kind of like a weird relationship.
Sure. By the way, she's supposed to be
Juno's protege. I don't feel like those two even
hang out or talk. That's a good point.
I don't remember them interacting at all.
I definitely didn't get the vibe other than them telling us that.
I would never have guessed that. She also says shite a lot.
Yeah, but maybe they're just saying, like, protege as in
like, she's wild. Juno's also kind of wild.
She's her protege. Like she's going to be like
Juno, even though they don't know each other that well.
Whatever. Anyways, that that's actually
like all that happens? Yeah, this.
They go to sleep. Did you think it was weird?
Just like pounding beers before gonna go caving.
Not at all. I just think like, dude, the
last thing I'd want to do with a hangover is go down a cave.
We see you don't live an extreme lifestyle.
Yeah, man, Because if you're going extreme like you, you
crack some beers, you chill out with the crew, and then you go
hit it hard. Yeah, Yolo live a carefree
lifestyle. Yeah, now everybody's tucked in
for the night when Sarah hears a bald eagle cry out in the night.
Is that what? She heard.
I feel like there's an eagle like.
Sound, you know, So she gets up and she's like, looking around.
And again, it's dark outside. Well, we should say they're in
the middle of the woods, in the middle of nowhere, in a cabin.
Right, Right. Yeah.
So she goes over to the window to kind of like, look what's
going on out there. And it's like you said, it's a
creepy environment. So you're kind of listening.
Like, what? What is she hearing?
Like this is kind of a weird thing for her to wake up in the
middle of the night. Yeah, and she gets her face
closer and closer to the window and then.
Dude, that really scared me. That made me jump.
OK, You know what? I said, not a lot of jump scared
me. That one did.
That one got me well, because. Never in a million years.
I think that would happen right now.
Well, Darren, it didn't. It was a dream.
Was it a dream? Do you think a bar went through
her head? No, but she kind of is seeing
things, right? They keep showing us this weird
thing where it's like she's awake.
You know, we had the hospital running situation and we're
going to talk about The Cave. She hears things.
It's almost like she's losing it a little bit.
Whoa, yeah, and she is popping some pills.
Yeah. Did you see what those were?
No, I took it as like an antidepressant or something.
I don't know. Your family gets killed.
You're probably taking some pills.
Understandable, but even that though, it's like dude, if
you're not mentally there, do not go down in a cave.
Yeah, that is true, dude. Yeah, anyways, we go to the next
morning, Juno wakes up first thing she's going to do, go for
a little jog, which is an insane thing to do when you have an
activity that whole day. Yeah, well, I mean, she's
extreme. But the thing about her jog,
though, but she's like running in the woods, but there's no
trails. She's just like running, which
is kind of difficult. They call that free running
Daniel. For you, I don't.
Know well she makes her way back to the cabin and then this scene
was wild because she walks in and just shows off her
flexibility. Good morning, my little ones.
Wakey, wakey. We're leaving at 7:00.
Don't be late. Try that.
I mean, it was impressive. She lifted that leg above her
head so. And just she didn't just lift
it. I think she kind of turned with
the lift. Yeah, it was wild.
It was impressive. I don't want to say anything
else. I think you guys understand.
It was wild. All right, now we're going to
get into the adventure. Let's get this game.
This movie is kind of a slow burn at first.
I mean, that part was, but we're we're out of it now.
Let's go. Yeah, so we got to get to this
cave again. Juno has picked out this cave,
but they don't just walk to it. They got to get in cars and
drive to it. I just have to say, Sarah is a
crazy driver. Yeah, well, that's why I'm like,
I don't know that Sarah's all there because she seems like
she's maybe too extreme right now.
But that's where I'm saying they have her character and like the
writing of it. It's just kind of wild.
I don't know. She's very reserved most of the
time but now she's driving and she's like fishtailing on some
windy Rd. They're like, it's almost like
they're driving on the side of a mountain or something.
And yeah, I would not feel safe in that vehicle.
No, no, she was wild. But maybe that's what we're
supposed to see, though she's not all there, you know, she's a
little, what's the word? Unhinged.
She's not really like that. Just right there she was.
Anyways, they parked the cars and we're not done yet because
we're not at The Cave. We have to now hike into The
Cave. Now, before they start the hike,
we see that Juno is not taking her caver's guide.
Yes, which is, I mean, they point that out.
So you're like, OK, hold on, why isn't that coming with her?
Right. And they're supposed to be going
to Borum Cave. That's The Cave that they've all
prepped for. Right.
Yeah. And they kind of mentioned this
is like an easy cave or beginner.
That's what it the vibe was, right?
Oh yeah. Holly didn't like it because it
was too like, touristy. Yeah, so they're not expecting
this wild cave journey. So they hike into The Cave, find
a dead animal on the ground and look at it.
It's dead. There's blood.
It's kind of like a little warning sign.
Yeah, you're supposed to think, oh, what killed this animal and
we'll find out. Eventually they find the cave's
entrance and I don't even know if I called The Cave.
It's a giant hole in the ground. There's two things.
One's a hole, and then underneath the hole is The Cave,
you know? So yeah, it's definitely a.
But it's not like a normal cave. OK, yes, obviously it is a cave.
But normally like you kind of like climb into The Cave, this
one, you have to repel into it. You've got to.
See this place? It's beautiful.
You won't believe. This best it's hey, it is a very
I feel like I keep saying extreme, but that's an extreme
cave dive, right? Yeah, because they have to set
up like a whole lowering system to repel down into The Cave.
It seems like an insane thing for people who don't.
They don't seem like they're expert cave diver.
What do we call people who explore caves?
Blonkers. Blonkers.
Yeah, they don't seem like they're that.
They're professionals who like to do things fun on the
weekends. Right.
Well, I don't know. I would say maybe a couple of
them are experts, but I mean to be honest, they came geared up.
They have helmets on, they have lights to.
They actually carry 2 lights each.
Yeah, I I mean, you're right. And they do show us they do have
skills. We'll see that later.
But that's just insane to do to repel into a cave is.
Wild Well, the wild part is it's like 100 foot repel and my first
thought is like how do you get out?
I I thought that was hilarious. I saw your notes there because I
actually looked it up because I. Thought the same thing.
I'm like, OK, you repel down, back up from the rappel, right?
Well, I mean you can use. Once there's a device as an
ascender, yeah, I looked it up and it's.
Like, yeah, there's special tools you can have to get back
up. And you know what?
I'm not going. To knock these girls, they
probably have those tools, yeah, I would say.
Maybe, but if you don't know, what normally people would do is
rappel down and then they walk out.
They usually know there's an exit somewhere.
Yeah. What?
Would make sense if they were in The Cave they were supposed to
be, yeah, but they're not so. The real question is how did
Juno expect to get out of this cave?
I think she's just winging. It she's yeah, which is wild.
Which we'll talk about so they all make it down.
Into The Cave. Sarah starts looking around and
finds a bloody handprint on the wall and then gets attacked by
CGI bats. Yeah, which is all.
Right. So yeah, it's our first.
Another, hey, another yellow flag that's concerned.
She didn't mention it to anyone, but it was there.
I would say that's more. On the red flag side, I mean a
bloody handprint. Not great.
Yeah. Don't you think you'd be like,
hey? Guys, look at this.
This is odd. It also depends on like.
How fresh that blood is too. I mean, how fresh.
I mean, OK, you know what I will say?
That cave though, it looked cool.
That shot of them rappelling down in, I loved it.
Just you, you felt the size of The Cave looking at it, it felt
like gigantic. It was a large cave.
You know, we talked a lot about how to get out, and I forgot
they bring it up because Beth's like, hey, Juno, how do we get
out of this thing? And Juno goes only way down the
pipe. I never.
Even caught that. So you go.
Deep into The Cave. Suppose that'll spit you out
somewhere. Yeah, most caves have.
An entrance or multiple entrances?
Is that true? I.
Don't know, Daniel. So at this point in the.
Movie it starts to get dark like that's when people are the eye
strain kicks in because you're just seeing headlamps and
helmets and once in a while they'll like pop a flair Well,
if you've ever been in a. Cave, which we have, it is
actually really creepy. I think most people have been in
actually, I don't really know. Well, we went up north, we went
up to like there's cave systems we would go into and do you
remember we'd shut the lights off, dude?
It is like pitch, pitch black, and it's very.
Easy to get lost in a cave it it's scary because if.
Your light goes out in The Cave. You can't find your way out.
Like there's no, I don't even know how you would.
Well, you'd touch a. Wall and hope for the best.
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All right, so these girls are. Down in The Cave, it's been
about 20 minutes. What do you think they're going
to do? Time to eat, man.
Bro this part bothered me. So you've spent all this time
you hike into this cave, you're going to pack a bunch of food to
eat. Like you're not going to want to
carry that stuff. Why didn't you just eat before
you went in The Cave? Well, we don't know how long.
This cave journey is going to be you got to have you got to have
food. I think that's.
I'm not saying have food. These people had lunch.
It wasn't a lot. Of food, I didn't pay attention.
I don't know if it was a lot. But it was enough.
It wasn't long enough tracking. Was it a lot or was it not it?
Wasn't long enough. Into where you would need to
like, hey, let's eat lunch. Well, it did seem like a funny.
Thing to like, oh, we rappelled down in The Cave.
All right, we're done. Let's eat now.
Yeah, like no, you can. Have a snack, but we don't know
how. We're still moving.
We don't know how. Long the hike we do.
Whoa. OK.
OK, sure. All right.
We can get over the. Food now OK?
Now the next part does get a little bit interesting because
Sarah finds the next passage, but she notices the passage
doesn't seem like what the book said it was.
And that's where Juno jumps in. She's like, hey, hey, you should
never trust books. And my thought is like, OK,
maybe there's some truth to some books you shouldn't trust.
I think caving books are the ones you should like the
exploration guides. I don't think people.
Fake those, but I don't know. I'm not.
A spelunker. Well, I've watched many of
people dive into caves. You know, those videos we talked
to, we all, yeah, we watched, we got in a cave thing for a while.
A lot of them depend on these maps that people like.
They map The Cave out. That's like a big thing with
caves. So the fact that Juno's like F
that well, but actually it doesn't matter 'cause they're
not even in a cave with a map. Yeah, it actually this whole
point doesn't matter, so let's move on.
So the passage they find is very tight and very wet.
That turn you on Dude? What's wrong with you?
In my first thought when I. Saw that I'm like there's no way
they're going to just crawl through this passage.
It is so small dude. That's the part that does make
me like get a little like creeped out.
It's. Don't give me I don't want to go
through the tight spots either where you're just having to like
shimmy across. But the ones where they're
coming, like they have to go under the water only enough for
like their head, like mouth, take it out and then they come.
Up. You know, I felt claustrophobic
watching that. That would be just my worst
nightmare because you have to be calm in that situation.
And man, I don't know how you would.
Especially if we're bigger guys. We're not going to be able to do
that. You know what I can fit?
Into some pretty tight places. Oh, you have done that, huh?
Well, not caves, but. My God.
I didn't even mean I like that, but well, like.
We have to do like. Confined space stuff, you know
what I mean? Like fitting in between.
Wall studs and stuff and like there's remember there's one we
have to do or it's like a box that's like this big and you
have to like you have to fit through it for the audio
listeners. What's that like 3 feet by three
feet? No like.
Maybe I want to say 12 by 12, but that it's probably a lot.
It's not fit through a 12. By 12, man, maybe it's like 16
you. I think you mean yards you.
Know I'm telling you it's. OK, maybe it's a little more
than 12. I'm telling you.
Like you'd be shocked. Like you can like you put your
arms for it and you kind of like get a shoulder through and that
kind of stuff. It was straight.
Well, yeah, that was just. Like a box, like you have to,
like, go through. Yeah.
We also do like confined space stuff where you go in like you
would hate it. Don't you get claustrophobic,
you know, sometimes, but not really.
See, I get like that. Panic in me where it's like, Oh
my God, I control it. Yeah, you're right.
It's about control and emotion. That's this movie.
I don't care. I'm never doing it.
So. They're kind of like showing
this. It's not a montage, but it's
them like going through these different sections of The Cave,
right? I also had somewhat of a problem
with that because it did see it almost to me seemed like they're
going in different parts of The Cave like 'cause that water one
one person I saw do that Well you're talking about when so.
After they find the opening, they're squeezing through and
they show a bunch of different shots of them going through
these different tight spaces. Right?
Yeah. Because you think that you think
that's like different shots of them going through different
parts of The Cave. They just left out the
intermediate steps. No, I think they just filmed.
People going through, like, different sections, you know
what I mean? Well, yeah.
What's your problem with it? Well, because we're focused on
this one really tight spot of The Cave.
That's where we're going to go here.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, I'm with you. I just don't know where you're.
We're going with this. Oh well.
I just. You're lying.
Here's the problem. Here's the problem.
Sarah gets stuck. She gets stuck in The Cave.
OK, it's super tight. She's having trouble getting
through that part of The Cave. Wasn't.
The part that scared me the most though, it was the water part.
Well though I think the whole thing was scary.
Like if you get stuck in any part of it.
Even the water part felt tight though.
Did she go through it? I don't know.
Actually, I thought they showed her.
It's hard to see. I don't know who who's who.
OK, well. I'm looking way too far in this.
Whatever. She's no kidding.
My God. She gets stuck in the really
tight part of The Cave, and she also has the rope bag.
I don't know why they made her the last one going through with
the rope bag, but she's totally stuck and she totally freaks
out. So yeah, that's like my worst.
Nightmare, She's stuck. She's panicking.
She I don't know what she's even stuck on, but she's doing.
It's a cave. It's like rocks, yeah, but I
don't know why. She's stuck, but it's like, how
do you get someone who's stuck out right?
Well. There are ways, but I think it's
harder when she's the last one. Like you can pull someone
backwards. Yeah.
So anyways. That's where it's at.
She's panicking, stuck. Everyone else is above looking
down, I guess. Yeah.
So Beth crawls back, and she's going to help her girl get
through. And she gives her some words of
wisdom. And Darren, let me ask you, how
do you give a lemon an orgasm? How, Daniel, you tickle.
It's citrus. I mean, that is kind of funny.
I. Don't know I.
Haven't even said it. I'm it's like almost a little
too dirty for me, I said kind of.
I know the. Cave talk is just kind of dirty
in general. Also like it.
Was supposed to calm Sarah down. I feel like Sarah actually had
like no reaction to it. She didn't laugh.
She laughed a little. Dead eyes.
Well, she's she's stuck in a freaking.
Cave What do you want from her? To relax and just.
Go anyways, Sarah finally does start moving.
The only problem is there's like a freaking earthquake or a rock
collapse, I don't know. Either way, The Cave collapses.
OK, move now. Now.
Hold on now. Well, it's collapsing.
On them as she's stuck. So they're like Sarah, you got
to go. It's that whole like we panic
situation and now I guess she just magically gets unstuck and
she like quickly gets out of there as the rocks collapse all
around her. What caused that?
Cave just bad luck. Yeah, I think it was.
I think it's just bad luck. They went through somewhere that
they weren't supposed to. I don't know.
So all the girls. In the group and back and
obviously they're all safe, so they're kind of happy and then
they realize they're now trapped inside The Cave, which is
terrifying. Because we're going to find out.
They don't even know what cave they're in.
Yeah. Because at first they're like,
wait, relax, there's three exits to this cave, which is
reasonable if they were in the original cave, right.
So, Rebecca? 'S like, hey Juno, just get the
book out. Let's find our way out of this
whole thing, Right? Right.
Too much Juno's like, oh, didn't bring it.
No point. And to that, I would say, OK,
obviously we were kind of alluding.
We're not in The Cave. They think they are.
But if you got stuck in a cave, let's say me and you, we're
spelunking. We had stuck in a cave.
And you're like, hey, Dan, bring that.
Like, where's the book? And I'd said, I didn't bring it.
There's no point. I feel like you would flip out
and be like, this is the point. We are stuck and lost in a cave
now. Well, yeah, absolutely.
I bet. You're a complete moron.
So this is where I'm starting to be like.
Like Juno's an idiot. Like I'm starting.
They're starting to make you really dislike her.
Well, yeah, she put them. All in danger without I mean, we
can we just tell them I mean, I feel like we've kind of said it,
but Juno kept the fact that they went to a new cave this she
wanted to pick out a special cave for them all to go to for
Sarah, right, to have this big journey with Sarah.
They're going to explore this new cave.
But she didn't tell anyone and she doesn't really know anything
about this cave, right? This is the first.
Time for all. Maybe she like scouted it at
first, maybe who knows, but a very dangerous thing to do and
irresponsible. I would say.
Well, it causes multiple like there's multiple effects that
are happening. Butterfly butterfly effect.
Absolutely because they filed a flight plan to mountain rescue.
Don't know what that means. I think that's just like.
If you get don't report back, maybe by the end of your trip or
something they look for you. I was a little confused on the.
Flight part of it now again, maybe that's a thing you file a
flight plan. I I don't know, cave so.
Who knows? Anyways, the problem was.
It's for the other cave. So now this flight plan and
isn't going, oh, you know, maybe they were going to fly over and
spot their cars. No, that's what I'm thinking.
That means I don't know. I have no idea anyways, but
obviously that ain't going to happen.
Basically, they're stuck in a cave and don't know where to go.
And could you imagine? That getting trapped and be
like, OK, hey, we don't have to panic.
We know where we're at. It's like, Oh no, we actually
don't. This is random.
We don't even know if there's a way out.
Also, I did find it interesting. They all kind of knew of The
Cave they were supposed to go into, but nobody realized that
that's not The Cave they were going in.
I know you'd think like, hey. This difference doesn't look
right. Yeah, like this.
Isn't at all like where it's supposed to be.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. Anyways, whatever Beth is gets
fed up, calls Juno out and she's like, how dare you do this to
Sarah too much, Juno explains. We all lost something in that
crash, which is such a. Stupid thing to say because yes,
we get it. Juno also had a relationship
with Sarah's husband, but Sarah also lost her daughter.
You know what I'm saying? It's also you're cheating on
your like you're cheating or you're how do you say that she's
she's boning her friend's husband.
You can't. That's.
Exactly how you say it. You can't get sympathy.
For that, well, yeah, and. Does everyone know this then?
Because that seemed like when she said it.
It's like, oh, we all get it, like Beth I.
Think is the one that knows because there's little looks
going on in the beginning at the whitewater rafting.
I didn't break all that down, but there are looks, whatever.
Anyways, now they. Got to go deeper in The Cave.
So they climb through like another tight cavern and that's
where they find The Cave Cliff. And Darren, how do you get
across a cave Cliff Jump No. I mean depending on the.
Gap you could, but no this I guess the gaps too big to jump.
They're going to freestyle this thing free, solo it.
Maybe free climb. No, I think it's more free
climbing, I guess because they have ropes and equipment.
Yeah, I guess they. Do, but there's a portion of it
that they have to like go out there with nothing.
OK, so. Here's what they got.
They have 3 cams and a dream and some rope.
Did you say there? Did they say to the dream or is
that you saying that that's me? What's a Cam Cam are those
things they shove in that they connect to with their hair
beaners? So this is insane.
So someone has got to like go climb and put that in while not
being harnessed. So if you fall, you're going to
fall down into whatever's below. This is one of.
The most impressive feats of strength I think I've seen,
Yeah. I mean, they're very talented.
Like Alex? Honnold.
I don't even know if he could do this.
Oh he could do this 100%. Well, with the right training.
He's a funny joke to anybody else could do it.
So Rebecca is the one that takes the lead here.
So she is like, they do have a ballet going on where someone's
like, got the rope, like holding her.
But this whole time there's no tension on the rope.
Like she never uses it. It's like a fall safety thing.
Oh, OK. I didn't even know she was
connected to anything. So now everything I said was
wrong. But no, no, no, she is
connected. But it's only like, if she
falls, she's not going to die, just get very badly injured.
Yeah, sure. So she's up there.
But dude, the stuff, the move she's doing, like she's holding
on, like with one hand on her fingertips and she's, like,
swinging her body to clip in or to place one of those cams in
the rock. One of us has to get all.
The way across there so they can read the line for you guys.
It just seems like. Way out of control.
It seems. Unbelievable.
I don't know that many people could do this.
It seems very difficult. It.
Yeah. And I'm.
Just like, is this like the best way?
I don't know, maybe at this point go down The Cave more or
can't you just throw a? Rope across and attach it
somehow. I mean, I would never.
We would just be dead. We'd never be able to do this.
No. Well, we.
Wouldn't be this deep in a cave. Yeah, that just would never
happen. All right, so if it's not bad
enough that Rebecca is barely hanging off this rock, placing
these cams, clipping or roping, she has Juno in her ear.
And dude, when Juno said this, I almost yelled at the TV because
Juno says to her, Rebecca, what are you waiting for?
Like getting on or for moving too slow?
I mean, that's insane. 'Cause she's like holding on
with one hand, dude. I just couldn't even believe it.
Yeah, it's just stupid. Anyways, Rebecca does make it
all the way across. She ends up like throwing
another rope over or brought a rope with her.
Whatever. There's two ropes.
It's kind of going on now, but basically she sets one up so
they can just kind of like slide across it.
Yeah, they make it across. Right.
Well, except for. Juno, because Juno realizes, you
know what? We need this equipment I.
Forgot about this part so she gets rid of.
That rope and now she does the free solo, but she's removing
the pieces as she goes. Now I will say at least she
falls. Rich, Rich.
She fell. At the end, yeah, Juno does.
Take a massive fall and she does like she like cuts her hand her
I think Rebecca cuts her hand. She was bullying her.
I don't know, Juno hit something.
It just seemed like a. Crazy thing to do when you're
stuck in a cave to risk yourself like that.
It just seemed insane, right? Am I right?
Yeah. 1 bad fall. In here, you ain't getting out.
Yeah. Not to mention like.
Can a lot of people do this kind of climbing?
That seemed insane to hang by one hand and just like work your
way across. It's just so Dang risky.
Who would do that? I feel like that's.
Risky out in the normal wild, let alone a cave.
Yeah, absolutely. They.
All get across. And then they do some more
exploring where they find a piton, a piece of ancient
climbing equipment. What's a piton?
I forget what a piton is, actually.
I think that's the one you might hammer it in.
I think pitons I think you hammer in and then clip to them
or something. Oh, OK.
So it's really old climbing. So I mean, I think there's like.
Modern pitons, but this is old. This is this is like 100 piece,
100 piece, 100 year old piece of equipment.
OK, so there's. People that have been in the
caves, but it's been a long, long time, right?
So they're not the first ones down here.
Is that starting to make sense? Are we supposed to believe that
the monsters are these people? I believe so.
Yes, 100 years. Of well.
The timeline doesn't quite add up.
Yeah. OK.
But I don't. I don't know.
I think they leave that up to interpretation.
My logical brain just says those people got killed.
That's what I would say. OK, whatever.
Well, in the trivia, well, it addresses a little more.
OK. So they just stand deeper in The
Cave when they come across some old cave drawings and there's, I
think, woolly mammoths. They're very classic cave
drawing. Yes, yes, but.
Really the biggest part of it is they look at it and there's like
a big cave drawn on there and there's an like 2 entrances so
they realize very convenient to find.
In The Cave. But yeah, at least these girls
have some hope. Now the old cave map.
Strikes the I mean. I did.
That was stupid. I'm like, all right, yeah.
Some ancient cave drawings. Oh, let's just draw the
entrances. All right.
Well I like this next part cause Juno's like hey 'cause I was
thinking this the whole time. Honestly she's like hey guys,
we're stuck in this cave, we should probably conserve our
flashlights. Dude I thought the same exact.
Thing 'cause the last thing, like I mentioned earlier, the
last thing you want to happen is lights to go out.
Yeah, and the whole time. They're using 2 lights.
They all have headlamps and flashlights.
Just use one. Yeah, a disgusting waste of
light. The best part is like, nobody
cared. They're like, all right, Nobody
even acknowledged it. It just moved on.
So now they have to navigate through The Cave.
And you may be wondering how are they doing that?
And it's by using a lighter because when you turn the
lighter on, that little flame glows, right?
You know how lighter works. Yeah.
But I'm confused.
They're not using lights anymore.
No, no, no. That's.
This is for navigation because like the airflow will pull them
towards the exit. Oh, that's right, that's right.
Or push them in I. Don't know which way does the
airflow in a cave? Does it flow out or in?
We're so dumb we don't even. Know it's probably out.
Because it's hotter in The Cave, pressure difference, it's going
to go out towards the heat. Absolutely what I was thinking,
Dan. Ours is the other way around.
If it's cold in The Cave, hot out, hot air goes into The Cave.
I, I, I was. I lying.
I have no idea. I don't know.
I'm confused. I don't like to think deep when
I watch movies. The flame flickers.
She reads the flame and they know where to go.
He rises. Well, we don't even need.
The freaking lighter because Holly spots daylight.
OK this was crazy. Only problem is it's phosphoric
rock. So Holly sees what?
She thinks is daylight and just throws caution to the wind and
starts speed running this cave. Well, she runs.
Right off a Cliff is what she does.
Yes, she did. Yeah.
And the good news? Is she's alive, The bad news is
her leg bone is sticking out. Yeah, that was disgusting.
And now you're like, Oh my God, the worst case scenario if
someone injured, well, I shouldn't say the worst case, it
gets worse, but a bad case scenario, their bones sticking
out of the dangle leg. Dude, they're just you're,
you're done. You're I don't they'll never get
out. Like you can't carry someone to
a cave like this, and I'm sure you can't.
Put weight on that brain. No, you.
Can't. And I forgot to mention, at this
point, The Cave is raining. Yeah, there's cave rain, lots of
water. Everyone's wet.
But remember, we have a doctor with us.
Our soon to be doctor. Yeah, very fortunate.
And I got to be honest, I feel like what she did to Holly was
evil. Why is that, dude?
She grabs her leg bone because she's got to get it straight to
split it. I mean, that's her logic there.
So she grabs her leg, Yanks on it to put the bones like back
together, which did create. Quite a brutal scene that made
me squirm for a real Yeah and then.
Splint it and it's like, OK, yeah, there's sometimes you do
stuff like that, but damn that is brutal.
And let's be honest, who cares? Like just leave her there.
You mean just give? Up on her?
Well, she's dead anyways. Well, well, she's not dead.
She's alive and talking. I'm fine.
Yeah. I don't see how long that'll.
Last, I mean, no, like you're not going to get her out of
there. You're right if there weren't.
Monsters. I don't even know how you would
get her out. I guess you'd just use this.
You can't get her out. I'll give it to them.
They're pretty seasoned explorers.
Maybe they could rig up some type of system.
Here's the problem. If you're going through a tight
space, how on earth does she get through that space?
I guess they could pull her, they have ropes and stuff.
I don't know, it seems difficult.
None of this matters, but she never gets out well anyways.
While they're all. Working on this leg, Sarah hears
a child's giggle, which would be terrifying to hear.
In a cave, yeah. And.
So she just starts walking down this dark passage, and then she
picks up what I think is an old caving helmet.
Yeah, it looks like an old mining.
Helmet maybe? I'm not sure I'd say it's.
Someone who's caving, I mean, we found a piton.
That would probably be what it is.
Is there a coal mine down here? We don't know.
Maybe they were mining. You don't know if they were.
But that's when she hears the predator.
I mean, that's what you thought? That was right, yeah.
I mean, they're making. Clicking noises just very
predatorish. Yeah, it sounds like Predator.
Yeah, sure. I'll give it to you and that's
kind. Of scary.
But what's really scary is that when she looks down this cave,
this pitch black dark cave, she sees a white creature kind of
like crouched on the ground. Oh man, it's like they just
throw so much at you all at once.
You're in a cave. You're stuck in a cave now.
You can't even get out the way in what you came in.
Then we have someone break their leg.
OK, that's a huge problem. Now we got a freaking monster
down in The Cave. Like that is too.
I honestly, that is like terrifying.
It's not. Good, yeah.
You don't think it's terrifying? I wouldn't be happy.
About it because you don't even have like.
Enough light really, to see these things around.
Like you do have lights, but you know how caves are, It's dark.
Like they could be hiding all around you, which, hey, we find
out they kind of are. Well, Sarah?
Sees this, but she's actually not that freaked out by it.
In fact, she goes back to her friends and she's like I saw, I
mean she was like kind of scared at first.
Like, I saw something like I think I saw a man at the end of
The Cave. And of course they're like, OK,
Sarah's having one of those episodes again.
Well, because Sarah did. Freak out earlier and because
she what she went through, I think they're kind of thinking
maybe Sarah's kind of losing it a little bit Well.
She might be because her next line is insane because she goes,
yeah, there's a man in The Cave and I think he can help us.
No way. She said that.
Yeah, she thought that like she thought maybe this guy can show
us the way out. I mean, that's a crazy.
Assumption because she didn't talk to the man and it was
making animal noises. Did it look like a?
Helping type of man? I don't think so.
It was. Hard to see though, right?
Well, you guys. Look.
Does it look helpful? Anyways, they kind of blow.
That off for now. They end up dragging Holly's
limp little body or whatever mingled body through The Cave,
and that's where they run into the rock waterfall.
It's just a rock with a bunch of, I mean, it's like flowing
water on it. Is there a reason why we're
talking? About it, Yeah, because they
have to go. Up that and they apparently just
dragged Holly up it. I clearly forgot about the
waterfall. They climb up it, Yeah.
I mean it's. Yeah, you bit that.
Light touched his head, but she get packed it.
Yeah, I chill bro. It's not.
I mean, maybe. It's like 10 feet tall or
whatever, I don't know. It doesn't really matter.
They get up to the top of it only to find this is a bone
yard. Yeah, there is Bones.
Everywhere. And now you're like, OK, there's
not like 1 monster. There's a whole crew of them.
We we don't see that, but it's assumption.
There's a lot of bones, dead animals.
Hundreds of them. This is not good, guys.
The ground is covered. With bones for for, I don't
know, maybe 100 yards? Yeah, but this could still be 1
monster. I mean, it's a lot of work.
For one monster, but he's lived there forever.
Is it 1 monster, Daniel? No, it's not.
Let's move on now. You may be.
Wondering it's pitch black. How do they see this boneyard?
And then you probably answer, well, with their flashlights,
which is reasonable. Maybe they could have used them
and they probably did use them in the movie.
But I'm going to bring this up because they also have a camera
with night vision. Did that just come on now?
Yeah, it's convenient. Yeah.
Yeah, it seems very odd. Like the camera.
Wasn't shown really, but maybe somebody did videotape and I
just looked over it. I don't know.
Why did we even have this? In the movie, you're right, we
could have used flashlights that have been just as scary.
Maybe they think night vision looks scarier.
I think there's something to that.
OK. I mean, maybe with night vision.
Too, you could see farther. I don't know, I feel like you
need. Sunlight for night vision, but I
don't know what technology we're using here.
Anyways, for some reason now they just decide, you know what,
we should just yell and scream for help.
You know, if you're in a monster.
Didn't I think the last thing I would do is scream, right?
Yeah, I agree with that. It's.
Like, let's be quiet. Let's like figure out what is
around us first before we just start yelling.
Because guess what? If something's in a cave,
hearing is probably what they do best.
That is true genius here. Also, it's like you are at the
place where everything gets murdered, so let's just compose
ourselves and get out of here. Yeah.
And let's just be a little quiet, you know?
Yeah. Camera starts panning around and
that's where you see the white figure standing behind them.
Chills that gives me. Chills.
That was so scary. Just like it wasn't above them.
No, no, this time it's. Behind whatever the first time
you see this creepy. Looking thing and you're like,
what on earth is in The Cave with them?
It's kind of funny. I feel like he was just like
standing there listening. Yeah, You know, this one wasn't
menacing at all. It's like, oh, what's up, man?
You like my bone collection? Welcome to.
Well, he ends up attacking. Them like he does a quick hitter
like kind of like bites or something then takes off, but
the way he's climbing he's well, he's upside down on the walls
and stuff like there's no gravity for this man it's
concerning very. Strong, very good grip strength.
I'd imagine excellent grip strength.
These all four. Limbs, hands and feet and these
things are human like for audio listeners out there.
True. Now they start.
To freak out, they want to see what's around them.
They hit a flare and then they hear like a scream coming deep
in The Cave. Yeah.
So this is full. Blown panic mode.
As you could imagine, well, it's even scarier because they
realize that that creature didn't leave.
It's still like following them on the walls.
And now is where they. Make one of the biggest mistakes
you can in a cave. We've already seen it happen
once. They do it many times.
They start running in caves. I don't even know how you.
Could run, you know what I'm saying?
Like you can't see that much even with light in a cave it's
dark. So I'm.
Telling you I walk into walls all the time in life.
Well, there would be like fires. Or stuff like that, where it's
dark and you can't see anything, I will face, like, just slam
into a wall. Yeah.
So you have experiences. It's unrealistic, but OK.
I mean, well, I mean, I haven't been chased by monsters and
fires. I wouldn't say I was trying to.
Relate to with what you're saying, I don't know so they're.
All freaking out. It's like pandemonium and then
the creature drops from above, drops down throat, rips Holly.
Boom. Yeah.
That was shocking. I'm like, oh.
My God, dude, these things can do that.
It's pretty impressive. Yeah, you thought it'd be like a
clawing. Death, right?
Like they just maul you. No, I just ripped the throat
out. Yeah.
There's one that rips a lot of throat.
I mean, it's impressive. I don't know what else to say at
this point. Like everyone's kind of
splitting off, a couple ran or whatever.
Well, I think once Holly got her throat ripped out, they're like.
I don't know what's going to happen.
Everyone just get like every woman for themselves.
Yeah. Well, do you know?
Doesn't want to let the creature have Holly.
Like the creature's trying to pull Holly away and Juno's, I
don't know why she wants the body, but she's trying to pull
Holly like keep the creature from me here.
Well, I think Juno maybe thought.
Holly might be still alive. Yeah, well, the.
Creature isn't going to let it happen.
And honestly, I'm going to. I really, I was just thinking
like, actually, if you really look at the situation, the
creature kind of did them a favor held by taking out the
weak one. I mean, you can't leave your
friend in The Cave, but when they get their throat ripped
out, it's a little easier to walk away.
Hey, I'm sure Holly was a good. Person, but she wasn't going to
help them on this journey, especially with a monster in
here. We can't be dragging a girl with
a broken leg. This was a gift, actually.
That's what I'm saying. A blessing, one might say.
It's where I'm also going. Maybe they're not so bad.
The animals? You mean the Cavemen?
Whoa, Cavemen. Not that kind of men.
The men of The Cave are are creatures.
Of The Cave. There's women too.
The Cave creatures. Yeah.
I I don't know. Yeah.
I don't know what we're talking about anymore.
Well, I think. We were talking about Juno, so
let's jump back to her. She ends up fighting one of
these creatures, and I haven't mentioned it yet, but they have
like, ice axes. Yeah, they're like pics or
whatever. Yeah, I don't know do.
You use those in caves? Like I thought that was like an
ice axe. Again, I'm not experiencing.
Caves other than the ones we went to, which we just walked
through, there's no hanging or traversing really.
Would you need like a hard? Pick like I don't know, caves
are rocks. I mean unless they were also
mining. Well, anyways.
I'm just going to tell you the ice axe in these creatures
heads, it's effective. Yeah, which is like, OK.
To me, it gave us a little hope. It's like these things can be
hurt. They're not indestructible.
They actually seem pretty soft skinned.
Yeah. So she I.
Don't know if I mentioned she's like, took the ice axe buried
into one's head and that thing's dead.
Yeah, it looks good too. Blood.
Spurting out all that stuff and you're also thinking at this
time I'm like, OK, Juno's kind of like the bad ass of the
group. She's like taking these things
out, right? The only.
Problem is she goes into blood fury, she's all red and she's
also. Panicking.
It's dark. She hasn't what's around her, so
I'm just kind of painting the picture for you.
Yeah, she's like sitting. There like panting and she's
like filled with rage, and then she feels one of those creatures
coming up behind her, picks up the ice axe, swings around only
to bury it in Beth's neck. And I'm right.
Through it. And I'm like, Beth, why didn't
you say something? Dude, my thought was you do not
sneak up on people in caves. I don't even know what she was.
Doing. You'd think she'd just say like,
hey, hey, Juno, Juno or like something.
But she's walked up to her and touched her, pretty much stuck
that neck out. Yeah.
Which it's like, OK, I didn't put it totally on Juno.
Juno maybe should have showed a little bit of restraint in the
situation too, though, But I understood.
It's like, OK, it's an accident. It's dark.
Hey.
There's monsters. It happens well as Beth drops.
To the ground. She reaches up and rips off
Juno's necklace, and then Juno leaves her ass.
There. Juno's gone.
Well, you said. I mean, what else are you
supposed to do? I think she thought she just
killed. I am not OK.
I'm not on Beth's side in this one.
I'm with Juno here. OK, this is where I think Juno
got a bad rap. I'm more Team Juno than anyone.
OK, well done in the. Beginning standing on that, on
that hill here not. In the beginning, she.
Did get them into a lot of problems but we'll discuss that
later but she does prove to be like the leader right now she is
taking these things out everyone else is just running like
chickens with their head Well Speaking of let's.
Jump over to Rebecca and Beth. You're like, who the heck are
they exactly? They're the sisters, right?
They hit a glow. Stick and they started like kind
of going through The Cave. They've split off at this point,
and then the camera pans above them and the creature is hanging
on the wall. Another creepy shot.
Every time, because they're setting you up by them walking
through the dark cave and you just don't hear anything.
Then all of a sudden just seeing those things is just so freaking
scary. Yeah, basically they're.
Like surrounded by these things. I mean, that was it for at this
point. Then.
Trust me, they don't. The creatures will find them
later, but we'll get back to it. But that's the thing, because
it's dark and the scenario they put them in, you never know when
these things are going to pop up, which is just inherently
scary. Yeah, it is.
We go back to Sarah. I didn't mention it, but she's
when she sprinted off, she took a header in The Cave, like ate
some rock. You know, I didn't even know
what happened. Her.
Isn't she still in the killer room?
She's close. To I think she just tried to run
and like hit her. She just fell.
She didn't get very far. No, she is.
Alone at this point, but she does find the night vision
camera and she pulls it up and starts looking around and
realizes it's not just animal bones.
There's like human skulls, which, yeah, we kind.
Of understand people have been in there before so it's
understandable. They maybe have killed other
cavers also. They might just be going out and
killing people up on the top land.
It's also possible. So Sarah takes this camera and
then she starts hearing some noises around her.
So she kind of like bunkers in like the wall of The Cave to
kind of hide. And that's where we realized
these cave creatures don't have the best vision because they're
walking by, but they're not because she can see them in the
night vision. They don't see her because you
would almost wonder if their eyes have adapted to the no
light. I mean can eyes.
Adapt to no light, Dan. I mean, I think if you're.
You know how it is you get in the dark, like at first you go
from light to dark it really hard to see.
Then it adapts a little. I don't think it adapts.
Though when it's just dark. Have you?
Lived in a cave for 100. Years, yeah, but I think just
the way. The eye works, doesn't.
Don't you need light to see what's around?
Well, you're not gonna develop. Night vision.
But I'm saying at this point, well, I don't even know what
you're talking about anyways, Sarah has the camera.
She's watching these creatures walk around and then she just
watches them eat Holly. And this is just.
Disturbing 'cause they are feasting, they're just ripping
that body up you. It's hard to see exactly what's
going on, but I think that body is shreds now.
Mom, I mean I. Think they seem to do a lot of
like, stomach heating. They start there.
Yeah, that's gross They finish up the feast.
They kind of like, all dissipate a little bit Sarah searches
around, finds a knife and then she starts cutting the clothes
off of Holly's dead body. Yeah.
I'm like, what is she doing? It took.
Me a minute to figure this one out, dude.
It did. Too.
I was watching I'm like, what is going on?
Well, she's going to make a torch all right, so she I don't
dude. Apparently she found lighter
fluid like I think there was like a flask or something so
maybe it was alcohol? Does she not have lights on her?
Anymore what is the? Well, lights.
What do you mean? Oh was the torch for damage?
Or I just thought it was so she could see.
Yeah, it was. Well, I think, well can't you
just use a flashlight? Oh, I don't know, I think.
She fell, flashlights are gone for now, but she finds like
lighter fluid or alcohol somewhere, a flask, and she
pours that on the cloth. And then I'm like OK well we've
already seen the lighter that's obviously going to play here,
but no, she takes 2 carabiners and like slams them together to
spark it Now can I ask? A question Yes.
What is the one thing we know these monsters do best here?
So do. You think it's a good idea?
To be slamming these carabiners together and making noise?
Probably not. That's why I was like, what are
you doing? I don't know if at this point
in. The movie, though, we knew the
hearing. We'll just give it.
Yeah, they're, they have great hearing they can't see.
We'll give her that. Maybe she didn't.
Know but and it worked. She created a little torch which
looks cool in The Cave. Looks cool.
So let's jump back to Rebecca. And Sam, remember last time we
saw them, there's some creature hanging out above them, right?
Well, eventually they get ambushed by one.
Becca buries an axe in its head. There's a ton of axe kills in
this movie. Yeah.
And like I said. These things are not hard to
kill. I mean, honestly, one hit from
the axe and they're kind of gone.
Yeah. So then she hits.
This one and it's like on its knees sitting there.
And that's where Juno walks out of the darkness, gets behind the
creature neck break. That was a wild.
Move like what is she just? Walking around in the dark and
just chilling, she was waiting. To see what happened I guess.
Also, it's like you didn't. Even need to do the neck break
she just they got an axe in it's head or something.
I feel like it's hard to break a neck.
Well these creatures do seem to be like maybe soft boned.
Why didn't they just neck? Break all of them.
Then I would just walk the cracking necks.
But I like it because it makes. Again, just seemed like a
badass. She's just going over stabbing
these things in the head, breaking necks.
I feel like there's a. Tomb Raider joke in this movie,
but there's a ton of stuff that remind me of that game.
Like you think they made a? Tomb Raider joke or you have
one? No, I think they made one in the
movie, but they like seem Tomb Raider ish like Tomb Raider
always that Laura Croft, if you don't know, carries around that
axe, you know, and then also like they kind of look like her
because when they come out of the they get blood all over them
and stuff. And I guess I mean they.
Look like women who have been in a cave in in battle, would you
say a tomb embattled? It is a tomb.
Now you're right, so. Now we have Juno, Sam and
Rebecca all together. Rebecca immediately is like,
hey, let's just get out of this cave, which does seem to be like
a great idea. Well, yeah, Hey.
But it's kind of obvious. Isn't that what we are all
trying to do this whole time? Well, not Juno, because Juno
needs Sam to tell her something. She needs to know what they're
fighting. Oh my gosh, I forgot.
About this, you're right. So, Sam.
Goes over to the dead creature and starts doing an exam.
And from this exam we learned many things.
One being they're totally blind. Yeah, their eyes are all wide so
that. Yeah, that makes sense.
They use sound to hunt like a bat.
They've been in a cave for a long.
Time. All right, I can buy that.
We got some. Echolocation going on and that's
why we heard the predator. Collects that.
And they have evolved to live in the dark.
OK, now the real. Question is, what are these
things? Yeah, what?
Evolved. Was it a human?
Because again, the 100 years isn't long enough.
Well, we don't really know how. Long I don't think right.
They can't have written a story about miners Got or miners
camers. We're going off that hunter,
Mark, because they said that one piece of equipment was 100 years
old. That's just someone who came
into The Cave at some point. Yeah, these things could have.
Been in there for a long long time.
I don't know how you'd survive though.
Why would you? If you're a human, why would you
stay in there? How would you be stuck in a cave
long enough to evolve like that? Because eventually you just get
out of The Cave like they they can.
Get out of The Cave. Right.
So how did this happen? I don't know.
I. Don't know.
Now after learning all this, Juno drops the bomb.
She found the way out. You see when she was walking
through The Cave in pitch black, she found some cave markings
that were left. Cave markings are a really.
Big help in this movie. Yeah.
So she. Found markings.
They she's guessing they lead to the way out.
What should they do? I guess so someone had been in
there. Before and just pointed a way
out. Yeah, someone went.
No, no, no, no. Well, yeah, someone went in and
they were marking so they could get out.
I don't think they made it out. Oh, I see.
OK, that makes sense. Because remember, 2 entrances.
OK, OK, I could buy that. The problem here?
Juno ain't going to leave without Sarah.
And this is where. Again, you're like, Juno's not
bad. I mean, she made mistakes and
she's definitely selfish. She almost murdered.
Someone. Well, no.
She. Oh yeah, you're right.
Well, she she gave the kill shot that thing, maybe I wouldn't.
Say she gave the. Kill shot.
She very badly injured someone. Not totally on her though.
It's understandable and she did put them in this situation, but
she doesn't seem like she's no she's pretty bad.
She also cheated on. Well, that wasn't good.
Like, but it's not like a horrible, I mean, it's not good
at all, but she's not a totally awful person.
She's not evil. She's.
Just a selfish person, I would say.
That's what I would call her. Yeah, yeah, it is funny.
It kind of bothers me with this movie is that they do build Juno
up again only to drop her I think.
Like why did they do that? I don't that's what I'm.
Saying the writing's kind of weird.
It's a little all over the place, like it's kind of hard to
really get behind the character anyway, so let's jump back over
to Sarah. She stumbles across Beth.
So Beth, the one who? Got the pick through the neck
right? Shockingly, she's alive.
Barely. Barely enough to barely speak,
and she only. Has a couple things to say. 1 is
that Juno did this to her. Two, Juno left her.
Actually, she has three things. Don't trust her.
Yeah, man, crazy last words. Right, yeah, my thought was
like. What a bitch.
Yeah, she's like, I'm going to go down, but I'm taking.
Juno down because she really painted her in a bad light.
Yeah. Juno.
Yes, she did bury an axe into her neck.
That happened. She doesn't mention to Sarah
that she snuck up behind Juno in the dark with a monster around.
Yeah, it took zero. Accountability.
And it's like, understandable. There's monsters down here.
Stuff happens. Yeah.
And of course. She left you there again.
Monsters do not. I mean, come on.
Hey, we. We've been through.
This a couple times already the main point.
Now it's going to create this little doubt or maybe plant a
little seed in Sarah that maybe Juno is really bad.
Well, in Sarah. You know, first she's not really
sure if she's going to believe it, but then Beth shows her
Juno's necklace. It says that phrase on it,
right? I don't know something about the
day. I don't know.
Seize the day. OK, but this is where I'm.
Confused, Is this when Sarah finds out that Juno was cheating
with her husband? Because that saying Sarah said
earlier said. I think she referenced her
husband with that saying like, oh, we used to say that or
something. Oh.
So I think, yeah. So I think when she saw.
That necklace, I think that's when she connected the dots that
her husband was cheating with Juno.
I think OK that. May be something.
So now you got twofold. Juno just killed her friend that
was Beth was one of Sarah's best friends from what we saw and
Juno was cheating with her husband and Juno brought them to
this cave and got them in this situation in the 1st place.
What if Juno just liked the? Saying she didn't though, you
know? All right, so Sarah.
Finds herself in a little bit of a situation here because Beth
ain't dead, but the creatures are around.
What are you going to do here, man?
This was just kind of. Brutal.
I didn't need to see this part. Yeah.
Sarah Murders. Her.
Well, I mean. Beth wanted her to.
Well, it's. Murder.
Yeah, she slammed the rock on. Her head, it was pretty brutal.
Was it a rock on her? Head.
I don't know, Daniel, I thought. It was like an axe.
Or something. It was hard to see it so
freaking dark. So yes, Juno did stab Beth in
the neck, but Sarah did kill Beth with her consent.
And unfortunately for Sarah, this whole murdering situation
tended like to make a lot of noise.
So a creature is right around and just attacks her.
But now Sarah gets that blood rage that Juno had earlier and
she starts like going after these things.
I mean she grabs this creature and like stomps it out I think
after. All that had happened.
Sarah finally broke, and now she's just raging.
And yeah, she's great. I like the transformation now
because now she's like the leader.
You know, the only thing is I think she killed like a cave
troll child. I think it was a kid.
Right. I think she.
Murdered. You know what?
I'm going to be honest, I think she murders a whole family right
here. I.
Is it wrong? I kind of felt bad.
That's weird saying. They're in their little cave and
she's murdering them all. 2 wrongs.
Don't make a right. Well, she definitely.
Murdered that one. Well, yeah, because the mom
it's. The mom comes over, right?
Well, when you murder the. Cub, the Mama bear is going to
come over. I feel like the mom was making.
Noises to make me feel like she was upset about what had
happened. Yeah, her.
Child's missing and she's trying to find it.
Another just a. Funny thing to throw in.
I mean, I guess if there's. Monsters.
And they've been living down here.
There are gonna be young ones too.
I mean, they gotta. Procreate yeah, Sarah sees the
mom, she takes off running, digging in.
Don't run in caves this time falls into a blood lake.
A cave, blood lake and the. Yeah, what was?
This just a pile of blood. Why was this even there?
This is the. I guess when they do the maybe
this is the real murder room. Yeah, I don't know, but.
It's also interesting she stayed under the blood for quite a bit
of time. Well, yeah, she did that.
Thing I brought up in the last movie too, like the Navy SEAL
rise. It looked cool though.
I gotta come. Out of the.
Water. And it's just like the eyes come
out, you know? Yeah.
So her head peeks out. From the blood and it's just all
over her and she just looks kind of crazy right now.
She does. The problem though, as soon as
she gets out of the blood water, the mom attacks her.
But Sarah's ready for this one. She reaches over on the rock,
grabs A Saber tooth. Tiger tooth.
It was a large tooth. Buries it into the mom's head.
She's dead. Or maybe a bone.
I don't. Know probably a bone.
I like to think it was a Saber toothed.
Tiger Tooth. That's a lot of words.
Yeah. You made it through it.
Good job. So she's.
Murdered the kid and the mom who's left.
Dad's coming now Sarah plays this different with the dad
because she goes limp. She plays dead.
Yeah. So she's out of the.
Blood Lake now, and she's laying on a rock.
And it was kind of cool because the dad comes, yeah, who knows?
That wasn't a family at all. And yeah, and he's crawling
over, but he puts his hand on her head.
I just kind of liked it. But it's also like, wouldn't it
know that this is not a rock under me?
But it was. Cool it was.
Creepy. Yeah, because.
Usually if they find a body, they're going to eat.
Yeah, I I don't know that part. Was just kind of weird.
She ends up ambushing. And kills him too.
Boom, Sarah's a beast. Now let's jump back to Becca and
Sam, because they ditched Juno at this point.
Let's do an inventory here. So now we just have 4 girls
left, Sarah, Juno, Becca, Sam, right, Becca and.
Sam are together, they leave Juno to run for the exit.
They're running for the exit, leaving Juno to look for Sarah.
Yeah, they don't really leave Juno.
Juno kind of just decide she's she wants to wait for Sarah.
The problem is, while she's waiting, ten of these cave
trolls like, swarm around her. Swarm around who?
Juno. Oh, OK.
They leave you on a cliffhanger for a second.
Like, she's getting kind of, like, overwhelmed.
OK, what's going to happen? We'll find out on this episode
of. Frank, Netflix.
We jump back to Beth. And she finds a small cavern,
climbs through it. The problem is she runs into
another cave Cliff. OK, it's the same.
One right, I don't. It could be, I don't know, but
why would you go across it? Then you're going to run into
the same problem. And how would that even work?
This is that different, dude. I just don't think they had that
many set pieces. It looked exactly like the other
one. Darren.
They had one Cliff. They had to use it twice.
OK, well make it look a little. Different because I thought they
were just going backwards because I'm like, why would they
do this? Well, it wouldn't be backwards.
Though because they came out of the collapse, went to the Cliff
when it crossed, how would they get back up to that side again?
Oh, OK, so I guess it was. Well, I didn't know.
I didn't think about it. It's kind of pandemonium.
It's hard to follow along where anyone is because you're also.
In Caves and Stark. Well, if you guys haven't heard
enough about cave climbing, we're going to get some more
because hey, this one's cool though.
Why the death bro? So Sam does the.
Same thing, one arm hanging off, placing cams again, there's a
big drop off below just like before, just to say yeah, she's
got some rope set up. I I don't know if her sister was
even bullying her at this point. I think she's just climbing.
Yeah, they're panicking. They just.
Got to survive. I don't even know why she was
doing this. Remember that whole thing with
Juno and them splitting up? Yeah, well, I.
Don't think it matters because Juno and Becca just show up at
this, like, entrance to The Cave Cliff.
Wasn't Becca already? Who's Becca?
Becca was with her anyways. But I guess maybe.
I guess Juno just, like, gave up on the Sarah thing and took off
to find them. Well, last you left us, she was
surrounded. Yeah.
I don't this happened. OK.
Somehow she just got here. In fact, you know what?
Maybe she's bad because maybe she brings the creatures with
her and she's like, hold on, hold on.
I. Got more for you down here.
I'll sell them out so they see Sam climbing across.
And then they just start pleading with her, like, come
back, Like, come back, You know, you don't have to do that.
And I thought that was kind of weird too, because I'm like,
well, what's the purpose? I mean, don't you need to go
across? Yeah.
But then I'm like, well. Maybe they don't.
I I feel like Sam just got panicked and just tried to do
something crazy. Well, she was doing.
Something crazy and it's not going to pay off for her because
as she's like on the wall trying to climb across, she looks up.
There's a cave troll and you're in a very compromised position
now because you, I mean, I guess she is blade in, right?
But she's hanging. She has nowhere to go, right?
And the problem. For her is this is the throat
Ripper, Yeah. So he.
I mean. He rips out her throat.
Which? Is.
Brutal. But what's even more brutal is
now her body is dangling and she's just hanging there with
blood coming down. It was pretty cool.
A cool looking shot, honestly. Yeah, actually I like that.
One too. It was brutal.
Well, now Becca just watched her sister get murdered, right?
It's tough to see and unfortunately for her, she gets
grabbed by the legs, pulled in The Cave and eaten alive.
Yeah, they just kind of RIP her body.
But not as cool as her sisters. But we had to get rid of another
one. So yeah, they were actually, it
was a lot of tummy eating, like they were going for the stomach.
Yeah, she's gone. So at this point, it's just.
Juno and Sarah. Well how did Juno survive this?
I don't Well because Juno just says F it and jumps off the
Cliff. She doesn't even know what's.
Below. But why not?
I'd rather die by fall than these monsters.
Well, she's lucky. Because this cave Cliff has
water under it. So she jumps in, hits the water.
Unlucky for her, that troll that was on the top, he's now in the
water and they have to battle it out.
Oh, did he jump down there? Before her, I think he.
Got I think that Sam like stabbed him as her last thing
before her throat got ripped and so he got injured and he fell
down and that's terrifying being.
In the water. With another one of these cave
trolls that is scary, but she kills that.
Then I'm like, Oh my gosh, you're in a cave.
Like could you imagine? Pitch black?
But now you have to swim and you have to tread water and try to
find a way out. Oh man, just imagine what's.
Underneath you scares me. Well, there's probably, I mean.
It's a dead body of a cave troll.
I mean, you don't even know what to.
Do if there's if. There's in there.
Well, if there's monsters crawling.
Around. Maybe there's monsters in the
water too that have evolved. I don't know.
It's. It's possible.
I mean just. In general, dark water being in
a. Cave in water is terrifying.
OK, now here's my question to you.
Juno fell down into this water, battled this cave creature.
How is she able to see down here?
It looks pretty bright in the movie.
Dan yeah, lots of light. OK, the point they popped those
green glow sticks, they seem to have quite a range on them.
We're going to go with that. You're right.
I have no idea. So Juno decides.
The only way to get out of here is to climb back up the Cliff,
but she only makes it, I don't know, 10 feet up.
And then Sarah grabs her and pulls her into a cave of safety.
OK, so there was another cave on the way up.
It was a split branch halfway up.
OK, so now they're reunited. The last two so Sarah and Juno.
Have to do the whole inventory of like who's alive, who's dead,
and then it comes to Beth and Juno's like, oh, she's dead.
And Sarah looks at her and she goes, you saw her die.
And Juno gives her the nod like, Yep, I saw her die.
What about Beth Make? It yes, I die yeah, that's a
tough. One, because from Juno's
perspective, do you tell Sarah that you killed her?
That's kind of something. I feel like you just saved her
later. I mean, you could.
Just go with the like. Oh man, she got she's got a
throat rib. I'm going to be honest, it's
like I. Don't know if we're going to
survive. She doesn't need to know this
yet. Because maybe I never have to
tell if we don't make it out, you know what I'm saying?
Well, I got to say so the. Fact that she lied to Sarah is
now building this hate. I feel it didn't help.
Yeah, it didn't help. It makes sense from a little bit
from Sarah's perspective. So now they light up some flares
and a torch and then just walk into another family of trolls.
And this is where we just go into straight battle mode and
now it's an action. Movie.
They're picking them left and right.
Dude, it's fine. These girls go straight savage.
Dude, Juno's over here. Me and one of them in the nuts.
Sarah's biting heads off. Do they have nuts?
Still or did they evolve? Oh, that's a good.
Question. I mean, they have kids, Yeah,
they still need them, all right? I mean.
Yeah, I feel like. You glossed over Sarah bit like
bit one of them. Yeah.
She's gone full savage again. She's got blood all over.
It's fun. I like what they're doing.
Juno sticks a torch into one's mouth and then acts as it in the
head. It was like a collateral type
thing. I don't know, like you're doing
double kills. Torching the mouths a little
extra, but well, Sarah is off to the side eye gouging the shit
out of one of its eyes. Oh dude, that was kind of
brilliant. Anytime that you get eye gouged,
Brill. But hey, they don't even use
them so who cares. It weren't as true.
It did work though. It killed.
It I think, yeah, we ended up killing all these trolls, right?
This huge battle. This was a big battle scene.
Yeah, I was. I thought it was.
Fun. Did you not like it?
No, no, I loved it. But I'm just saying so they like
got together, they fought together side by side like some
warrior mentality. They did feel like a bonding.
Moment like we worked together and we actually killed a bunch
of these monsters yeah So what do you think is going to happen
from here do you want me to tell you no I don't I.
Mean, I assumed that maybe they were going to bond a little,
like talk it out, like get to the bottom of some of these
bigger issues, you know well, the problem is there's a lot of.
Questions that Sarah doesn't know the answer.
There's 2 yet. She kind of needs to talk to
Juno a little bit more, right? Yeah, I would say.
So, but at this point, Sarah is just staring at Juno, and
Sarah's like holding her arms up, like, I don't know, it's
like a victory stance almost. And then you see in her hand
there's something hanging, and it's Beth's necklace.
So this. Has to be.
Well, actually, it's not Beth's. Necklace.
It's the necklace from Beth's. That's Juno's.
Oh yeah, Beth took it. From Juno.
So it's Juno's necklace that was given to her I think by Sarah's
husband. Those aren't facts.
I'm pretty sure because it had. That phrase on I'm pretty sure
that's what it is. So Sarah's pissed off, and I
think this is the way of Sarah revealing that she also knows
that Juno killed. Her friend?
Well, she doesn't know. Well, actually, she knows for a
fact she didn't kill her friend because she killed her friend.
OK, well, yeah, but she she gave her the kid that shot that hurt
her. Yeah.
So anyways, you're kind of like, OK, how's this going to play
out? I didn't see this one coming.
Sarah takes the axe, raises it over her head and buries it into
Juno's leg. Just.
Shocking. I mean, what a savage thing to
do. That's wild.
By the way, guys, we're. Near the exit, like they can
both get out alive no problem. Yeah, we can get out and.
Talk about what had happened in the caves.
But no, he. She's basically killing her.
Yeah, I mean she's. I mean, she's dead, you know,
she leaves her in The Cave. Well, I guess we don't see.
I don't think we saw her die. I don't think so.
But the thing. All those creatures were
surrounding him. I mean, it's reasonable to think
she's dead, but they did have her surrounded earlier and you
said she got out, so there's a possibility.
But she's very badly injured. So who knows?
Because it's and we don't even know how far the exit is from
this point. Well, she must be dead.
Because her ghost does do some traveling here.
What do you mean? Well, we'll get to it, OK?
But man, what a freaking shocking scene when I saw this
at first because. I didn't know anything about the
cheating thing on the 1st watch, I'd never connected any of those
dots. But even with that it's like to
kill her is a crazy thing to do. Let's just list the bad.
Things Juno did all right, She cheated with her husband.
That's not good. We don't condone that.
But she also put this big trip together for Sarah to like kind
of lift her spirits up, took her to a new cave.
That's the good. But then it goes bad because she
took her to a cave no one's been in and didn't tell anyone about
it. So they can't get rescued
because no one set up the plan. But if they did.
Like go through this cave and it was awesome.
They could have named a cave, then they'd be good again, you
know what I mean? It's a high risk operation.
For sure, right. And then?
She did try to like save Sarah multiple she could have left on
her own. Well thought she could have
left, you know what I mean? No, she could have.
Left anytime she wanted to or thought she could have left.
But no, that is. The good in junior she's not bad
she wanted to help her friends still right and.
Yes, she did murder Beth or hit her in the neck with an axe.
It wasn't murder. It was manslaughter.
Yeah, that's attempted murder. It was a mistake, but she got
snuck up on by Beth. It was Beth's fault.
That wasn't on her for that one. And then they battled.
Together I think Sarah didn't have enough to want to kill Juno
in my opinion, right I. I It was a lot.
It was a lot. Sarah ends up falling down
another cavern, realizes she's at the exit, climbs out, gets
birthed by the earth. Well, she climbs out.
It was an Earth birth. All right, like, you see, like,
as she comes out, like, out of the ground because it wasn't
like, a direct. You should have to, like, go
through grass. Ends up hiking all the way back
to the car, Jumps in again. She's freaking nuts.
Driving hits like a huge jump. Yeah.
It's like, hey, how about let's relax and not get in a car
accident at the end. Yeah.
Ends up getting to a highway, Pulls over to the side of the
road, throws up, looks over to the passenger seat.
Juno's ghost. I don't.
Even remember that you just spit all over.
Everywhere I. Thought I was in that cave.
For a minute, stupid. That's in the movie.
Wow, what an indie man. What an indie.
It really makes you think, I guess.
I honestly, it was just so shocking.
I could not believe she did that.
Yeah, I just feel. Like a lot of the writing in
this, the characters, you just can't get a grasp on who they
are. Yeah, Sarah goes through.
Quite the transformation I would say.
You know what I did A. Whole thing on how The Cave in
the darkness represents trauma and all this stuff.
I'm not even whatever. That's a route you could take.
If you want to dive into it, go for it.
We're not about that here. We.
Like a shallow review, unless it's like The Shining or the.
Thing then we go kind of deep so overall what do you rate this
movie so man I. Really liked it.
Like you said, the negatives, the writing, the character
development, the the characters themselves, whatever.
I didn't really care. I just want to see some scary
stuff in a cave because I'm a very simple person.
We'll give a simple. Answer.
Then I got really scared. And that's what I was looking
for, especially coming off the leprechauns.
I love the leprechaun, but I haven't been scared in a long
time. Watching a movie.
I got scared both times, jump scared both times.
I watch this movie and that's all I want.
I thought the monsters look of them or whatever, but I thought
the scenario in which the girls were in with those monsters in
The Cave was terrifying and just them walking around and all of a
sudden there's a monster behind them is scary.
And just being a cave in a trapped cave is scary so I loved
it. I actually would give this a
8.20 my. Gosh, she went that high.
I thought this was really. Good.
I thought it was scary. I enjoyed both times I watched
it. Yeah, I think I have a little.
Like the realistic side of me sometimes gets a little too
involved because see, I shove my.
Brain off and I just go in with them.
I do like. I mean, honestly, for, like,
throwing people in a cave, it's kind of hard to make like a good
movie, but I would think it might get a little boring.
This got a little action-packed, you know?
So, yeah, the story was OK. I mean, whatever.
They find themselves in a cave. They're extreme sports people.
Sure. I feel like the rock climbing
may have gone too far. Well, it's not realistic.
We also have cave monsters, Dan. Yeah, that is true.
I mean. I don't know.
I thought it was a fun watch. Yeah, I would.
Yeah. I would say that I enjoyed
watching it. I thought it was good, to be
honest. I enjoyed it.
But I'm not. I don't think you know what?
You. Think well, your score was.
So high. I twisted you.
Your score was so high. I'm like, I'm kind of annoyed
that you went that high that I'm like.
I didn't like. Some of the story, like you, the
stuff you're bringing up is when you first watch this, you're not
picking up on a ton of that. Like that bracelet thing.
I didn't even know that was. I still don't even know if
that's real, but that's that's real.
It's very like subtle, like they don't exactly point it out to
you. No, it's true now.
Looking back, you. See the signs but I didn't catch
them the first time. It's more of a you issue.
Than the movie but OK. Yeah, overall it's a.
Fun little ride. I mean I liked the cast of 6
girls. I think that was actually kind
of cool. I would have liked to see them
like interact more and get to and just.
Shout out, we know what you're saying.
I would have liked to. Like see them like have beers.
See where the night? Goes no Nova like get more
personality like a couple of characters just throw aways and
stuff like that. Better character development
yeah and same with Juno and like that just seems confused on who
these people are. I like strong.
Roles like if you're going to make one the Doctor, make it
very clear on which one's the Doctor.
Maybe one one's extreme with Sarah's more the meek one.
I need each one to fit in that box.
And I mean, it needed to be very clear because with six girls,
it's hard to distinguish, especially when you're in a
cave. Yeah, that is.
That is true. I mean, you could even play with
the I don't know, they just didn't really give me much to I
didn't even care about really anybody.
I guess is where it kind of came down to it.
Like I don't know, I kind of want them all to die.
Well, that's weird. Why would you?
Want them all to die because it sucked?
No. I'm kidding.
You know what we needed? Each girl needed a bright
colored jacket, like 1's, a green jacket, one's a purple
like Teletubbies. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's true.
So then we would be able to see who is who.
I still at times didn't even know who I was looking at.
It's interesting if you, I mean, I don't know if you find it, Are
we going for the world record of how long you can make this
score? It was interesting.
But it wasn't to me. It wasn't like, awesome.
I'm not dying to watch it again. I would give it a six points 6
now I feel like I. Went too high?
Well, I do think you're. Way too high.
I mean, this is definitely in in the six to mid sevens maybe.
I would say it's probably in the.
Sevens. Yeah, that 8.
That me 8's like a great movie. I was all hyped up.
Sorry. Let me feel.
That's your score. It's your score.
All right, now let's move on to some survival rules and some
trivia. What did we learn?
How do we survive? Number one, just don't go into
caves. Best case scenario, you come out
alive. You know what I mean, best case
scenario. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's like always the best case scenario, wouldn't you say?
Of any scenario, Yeah. I mean go, you can go into.
Caves just don't be those people crawl through the tight spots.
That's where you get into trouble.
You know what caves? It is one of those things like
you go in and when you come out you are more appreciative.
To be out of it, you know what I mean?
Like, you were like, oh, I'm just glad to be in the world.
Yeah. Yeah, 'cause it's scary.
Caves are scary on their own. If you find yourself battling
these cave creatures, just be quiet and don't make a lot of
noise. That's the simple way, right?
Yeah. Fight back 'cause these guys are
soft bodies. Yeah.
Don't be afraid to break some necks.
Yeah, they'll rip your neck, but you can break theirs.
Yeah. Bring lots of lights, which
actually, they did a good job with that.
And they brought a camera. That's not really going to help
you survive. It'll help you find your way.
Don't run in the caves. That's another one that's that's
bad. You know, I wonder how long they
were. Supposed to be down there
because this actually all seemed to happen within like 4 hours.
Yeah, they weren't. I wouldn't say they were well, I
mean, some legs got broken. I don't know.
We'll give them 12 hours in The Cave.
Well, because it went in in. Daylight in the morning and they
came out and it was still daylight, right?
Yeah. They also eat lunch.
Yeah, remember that. All right, let's move on to the
trivia. No real caves appear anywhere in
the film. They were all built on a stage.
I don't know, somewhere in London.
Who cares? That was a cool initial.
Shot of a stage well, that you're talking about.
The Cave, the actual look like when they were.
Rappelling down in, I thought that was a cool looking shot,
that one because. I think the one over top with
CGI, I think it's in one of these in an interview with
Vulture. Is that how you say it?
That magazine thing, Vulture, I feel like Vulture.
I don't know. Sounds kind of ridiculous.
I don't think it's in whatever. Director Neil Marshall revealed
that during production. Executive from French
distributor suggested OK, He suggested a seed where the girls
would strip naked and jump into the pool cave.
And he responded by saying, if that's a movie you're making, I
quit. That is a wild.
Suggestion in a cave to get naked and jump in water.
Dude these Hollywood people are just idiots in this type of
movie. That's insane to suggest that.
Well, because I'd. Say he's like, now you're
getting corny, like if you may do that, that doesn't fit this
style. Has anyone ever.
Jumped into water naked in a cave, or who would even want to
jump into water in a dark cave? I guess there are some water
caves though. The funny things would be how
they would like figure out how to light it.
You know what I mean? Yeah, whatever.
That's a funny suggestion. Neil Marshall shot many of the
creatures at 18 frames a second with a 45° shutter, giving them
a staccato movement. I don't even know what that
means. Maybe somebody's really big into
filming will be like, oh that was awesome.
The appearance of the creatures was kept secret from the cast
members until the 1st scene in which they encountered them when
the cast were finally filming the scene where the group runs
into the crawlers. The actors, genuinely.
Were scared, Yeah. I like when they do that in
horror movies. I think it's fine.
And they seemed like they were scared.
Sure enough, I don't know the jokey production.
Name given during filming was Chicks with Pigs.
Now that's a title. That is kind of funny.
That would be cool. One of the.
Crevices built for the film was so narrow and slippery, the
female cast dubbed it the vagina.
Yeah, there's a lot of. Sexual in the window in the
caves, there actually is a cave that is called the birth canal.
Yeah, I've heard of. That because you have to squeeze
through tight squeeze. This is the one that explains a
little the back story. OK?
Neil Marshall described the crawlers as Cavemen who have
stayed underground. The director explains they've
evolved in this environment over thousands of years, much better
than hundreds. OK, that makes more sense.
OK, so when? I first read this, I was
thinking of Cavemen like men that went in The Cave.
I think he's talking about, like, actual Cavemen.
No, like prehistoric or something.
They've adapted perfectly to thrive in The Cave.
They've lost their eyesight, and they have acute hearing and
smell and function perfectly and pitch black.
They're expert climbers, and they go up any rock face that's
in their world. Yeah.
So again, though, it does come back to that whole thing of what
you mentioned, like, OK, caveman in The Cave.
But again, why are they just staying in?
They just decided they. Wanted to live in caves now,
which seems like a crazy thing to do, but it's a crazy movie.
There we go, Neil Marshall. Cited the film's Texas Chainsaw
Massacre, The Thing in Deliverance as influences in his
establishing the tension in the film.
So like, basically he wanted to ramp up like the tension slow.
It worked. I thought it was good.
I'm trying to think if I saw. Like a ton of similarities I
guess. Like maybe the pacing was
similar because like that is like Texas Chainsaw, it starts
off kind of slow and then it gets crazy.
Well, actually, you know, there I mean.
There's tension in The Cave, but yeah, once they found the bones
then it just popped off and it was insanity.
Now at 50. 6 minutes. The night vision shot of bones
is actually a miniature. Oh that's cool, I didn't even
notice. Good job.
The split second shot of a crawler silhouette before they
are encountered for the first time was shot without any of the
actresses realizing he was even there.
I don't even know if I realized there was a silhouette.
I mean, it's a cave. How do you see a silhouette?
I don't even know which. Time.
They're talking about it. OK, here's.
Something interesting. There was another ending.
Oh, OK. Director Nella Marshall didn't
have one specific ending in mind during filming, so he agreed to
make an American version where Sarah escapes The Cave.
This was considered to be the happy version.
Well, Sarah did escape The Cave. Well, that's the American
version. Oh, OK.
Where'd you watch this America cave?
Can we move on? OK.
And this is in. Contrast to the unhappy European
version where Sarah doesn't escape.
And actually I think the next one will say actually what
happened. But he liked it to the finale of
Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Oh, you're the next.
One you mean the descent too? No, I mean like the.
Next trivia question. The next.
That explains the alternate ending.
Oh, OK. We didn't really touch on it
though. Like in the American 1, Juno's
ghost was sitting next to her. I guess that was a hallucination
again. Oh well, we did talk about it.
Do we need to say any more? Probably not the European
version. This is the alternate ending.
OK, the European version. Sarah escapes The Cave, but then
at some point, I don't know, she wakes up, realizes she's
actually at the bottom of The Cave, still stuck inside.
Oh, I don't like that. Ending with the creatures
closing. In on her.
So I mean, it's interesting. I don't really love either of
these endings, to be honest. Oh, so here there's a little.
So the sequel I guess starts with Sarah having just escaped
from The Cave. I don't know if we'll watch
that. No, we're not.
I don't really want to. I mean, how do you?
I don't want to go back into The Cave again.
I mean, who in their right mind would ever go back in The Cave?
You know what I'm saying? If that happened to you, there's
no one on Earth you would ever go back in The Cave under any
circumstance. Because I think the idea is
they're trying to find the bodies or figure out what
happened. I don't know why they.
Yeah, I. Don't know why they need cereal.
I also heard it wasn't that good, so and then.
Seeing in the very last shot of the birthday cake, there's some
scene where kids blown out a birthday cake.
One more candle was added, increasing the total from 5:00
to 6:00. It's like the people all dying
in the movie. I get careless about the cake.
Whatever are the daughter? Yeah.
Thank you. That's going to wrap up.
Our movie review of The Descent. But before we go, special shout
out to the tribe on YouTube. We have Jose, Phillip, Jake the
floppy snake, Matthew Caesar. Man, it cuts off then now with
dots. I don't know if he did it or if
it's the way it is. I know it's supposed to be
Minsky but it says dots. Frederick Blackstone, crazy make
freaky frog in vain Patreon, Fernando Zapata, Tanner stroh,
Drew Castillo, Ian Joseph, Sicario Binky and simps are US.
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