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There we go, there we go, and 
then we're going to pan. 

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We're back at the Secret Barn, 
Yeah, in somewhere in East 

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Anglia, and we've got some bits 
of aeroplane. 

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Some bits of aeroplane are 
moved. 

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Tell us what's happened since 
the last time we spoke about two

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months ago. 
Well, the last time we met Steve

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was in a was a nightclub, I 
think, wasn't it? 

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No, it was here. 
It was really cold, wasn't it? 

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It was cold, it was wet. 
And the the task then was to 

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move the wings. 
I think that was about to be 

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moved. 
So the aeroplane is in about 5 

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or 6 sections and the wings 
weigh about 10 tonne, half each.

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So they had to go separately. 
The wings have gone and now the 

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sort of the, the jewel in the 
crown that's left is the 

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fuselage and the nose and a few 
other bits which hopefully 

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around here somewhere. 
But this is the first time the 

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fuselage has been outside since 
probably 1997 or something. 

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So 30 years. 
And it's given us a chance to 

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have a look at what's what's in 
store for us really, and to make

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sure what's missing, what's not 
missing, what needs polishing, 

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what needs painting, trying to 
preserve all the sort of the 

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patina of that. 
Whether we keep it covered up 

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and just leave it as it is or 
we, we sort of, you know, touch 

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it in a bit and make it a bit 
more white. 

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Personally, I think we just try 
and keep it as it is. 

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You can see that the aeroplane 
was covered in a, in a lacquer, 

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so it was polished and then 
lacquered. 

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And that's obviously got old and
various panels have got more 

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lacquer than others pits on it. 
And there I, I had a little rub 

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there and polished this 
particular panel so you can see 

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what can be done. 
And unlike the nose, this is 

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going to be a, a much easier 
job, I think, because it's just 

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a machine that goes down rather 
than sort of hand finishing as 

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it were. 
But it gives you a good, a good 

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insight to how lightning was 
built. 

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So the rear fuselage, this 
section here, this is where the 

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wings will slide into. 
And if you imagine the wings 

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like a boomerang. 
So the wings are split 

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individually with an I bar to 
attach the two together. 

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Once they're attached, you then 
slide this boomerang into here, 

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which is then attached to this 
bolt, which I didn't realise was

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here actually. 
So that's a major find today, 

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knowing this bolt here, and then
that's going to go on there and 

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that goes in here. 
And then if we look inside the 

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fuselage for the very, very 
geeky people, you can see how 

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it's manufactured. 
So the wings will go in here, 

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then sit onto here, and then all
along here. 

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And I'm there'll be an engineer 
somewhere who'll be writing to 

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me and complaining. 
But I'm pretty sure that these 

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will be the control rods. 
So the rods will go from there 

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into the cockpit, which we'll 
look at in a second down to the 

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back end where the stabs are. 
And that's what makes the 

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aeroplane go up and down. 
So that will do that. 

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And this gives a really good 
impression of that. 

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The Lightning was just a tube. 
So it's a tube with two engines 

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in it and a pilot at the front 
of it. 

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So in the in the aircraft, if 
you've read on course line 

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collective.com, our latest 
newsletter about fuel, you'll 

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realise that there's no fuel in 
the fuselage, that all the fuel 

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goes in the wings. 
So here is just a receptacle for

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the 2 engines and you've got to 
get the fuel from the wings into

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the engines and across them 
here. 

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So you've got to have the 2 
engines in here with the 2 jet 

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pipes and then a mechanism to 
get the fuel into the engines. 

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And that's where some of the 
problems start with the 

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lightning because the fuel will 
leak and pull in places and then

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catch fire. 
So further down here, I haven't 

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looked here yet, but there'll be
various bits and pieces which 

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may or may not be off this 
lightning and this, this will be

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the number 2 engine, the top 
engine which would sit in this 

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area here and then the jet pipe 
would go through there. 

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The number one engine would sit 
in here and have a longer jet 

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pipe because it's sitting 
further forward. 

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So that that's why when you look
at the lightning at the back end

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of it and you see all the 
photographs, there's always a 

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big long plume out at the top 
and a smaller plume out at the 

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bottom because the engines are 
staggered and the jet pipes are 

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slightly longer on the 2. 
And you can see that this 

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aeroplane was built in 1957 and 
it's literally a Meccano set. 

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So everything here is just 
bolted in with like a piece of 

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Meccano that engineers made in, 
you know, 50-60 years ago. 

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And every panel has the number 
of the aeroplane painted on it 

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and which panel it is, so you 
know which it is. 

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So this one here is going to be 
41 P and 48 P. 

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And then we look around the side
here and we know that 41 P and 

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my dyslexia has got the better 
of me and 48 P has become 43 P. 

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So that's that panel there. 
And these are all held in with 

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little clips at the back. 
And then the ground crew could 

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take those off. 
And This is why I'll try and try

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and show you somehow where where
most of the most of the ground 

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crew could have been superb 
gynaecologists. 

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Because you had to actually take
the panel off, put your hand in 

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and then start working inside 
the aircraft. 

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You can take that bit out if you
want, but you literally had to 

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put your hand in. 
Fortunately, we've got some baby

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wipes in the car because I'm 
going to be filthy now. 

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And then they would have to get 
a spanner, which they'd probably

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tied to their arm. 
And then they would be getting a

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fuel pipe. 
And they'd try to feel where the

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fuel pipe was, get the end of 
the nut and then sort of tighten

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it up with a spanner and then 
take their arm out. 

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And it'd be all dusty. 
So that that's why the Lightning

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has got this sort of mystique 
and mystery about it, because it

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was such a complicated aeroplane
to fly and also to engineer. 

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Because when you look down the 
side, the guy would look, so 

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pump filler capacity, 500 CCS, 
don't know why CCS. 

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So I'm assuming behind here 
would be a hydraulic pump. 

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He'd come along, he'd undo all 
those screws, take it off, and 

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then you'd have to connect 
something in here and then try 

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and fill up a hydraulic pump 
from the outside in. 

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So it was, it was, you know, in 
AF15 or something. 

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Now you'd have a panel here that
you just unlatch, you'd lift the

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panel up, there'd be a 
connector, connect it and off 

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you go. 
So it's a very, very different 

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era and other things which you 
can see here that the engine, 

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the starter for the engine is on
the front of the engine, but 

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when it starts, all the hot 
gases come outside the fuselage.

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So again, it's a, you know, 
fairly dangerous type thing. 

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Things like this is a refuelling
panel and all handmade. 

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Again, all sort of hand 
finished, but on that one of the

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beautiful things about this 
aircraft is because it has so 

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much patina and so much sort of 
unfettled sort of memorabilian 

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history on it. 
So on here you can see in sort 

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of handwritten on the fuel cap 
to take that off. 

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I don't know what it says semi 
site Archibald Alshot or 

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something. 
And that was probably the 

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company in, I don't know, 
Blackburn that made those. 

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So the Archibald, Archibald 
Alshot fuel cap filler would go 

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on to that. 
And then everything is sort of 

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tailor made. 
So when you do that up, so it's 

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on this little thing here like 
that, there is a micro switch 

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here which pushes in. 
So you put it on, you lock up 

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the fuel cap or the engineers 
would that pushes that in. 

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And then in the cockpit, you 
know, that panel's done up. 

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But again, if we, you know, if 
we'd lost something like this 

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panel to try and replicate that 
panel and reproduce, it would 

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take, you know, somebody a week 
to build that. 

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And in fact, when I was in South
Africa a couple of months ago 

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working for Lord Leahy, then we 
found a piece of paper and we 

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were going through these 
lightning spares for Lord Leahy 

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and we found a panel. 
And so I looked at this panel 

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and it was a panel like this. 
And I looked at it and it was in

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a, in a brown piece of cloth, 
but inside the cloth was a piece

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of paper. 
And so I opened the panel and it

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was a panel for the nose wheel 
or something. 

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And in there was a job card. 
And it was a job card from 

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English Electric. 
And it was 1964. 

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And it was the name of the guy 
was Gazinia or something, Albert

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Gazinia. 
And this guy was a an 

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apprentice, but he put all his 
record of his week's work. 

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So he'd come in at 8:00 in the 
morning, finished at 4:00 in the

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afternoon. 
He'd done 8 hours work and he'd 

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been paid 6 shillings and 
fourpence. 

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And what he'd made that week was
this panel roughly, and it was 

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all recorded on this double 
piece of paper. 

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So I gave this to Lord Leahy. 
He was very impressed by all 

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this sort of stuff. 
But it just goes to show you 

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that one man at Linglich 
Electric will have spent one 

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week getting a panel like that 
riveting all this on making all 

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the curves, you know, this very,
you know, intricate way of 

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having a hinge or you know, all 
this sort of the flange in here 

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is superb. 
You know, it was just absolutely

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handmade so that flange would 
fit in there perfectly and then 

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you know, it's literally hand 
built by machine, so. 

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So is that true for all 
lightnings or is that just the? 

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People. 
Yeah, I think it is pretty much,

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I think every single lightning 
that was built was hand built 

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and every single panel, I mean, 
these ones would obviously be a 

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bit simpler. 
But that panel that I found in 

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South Africa was a nose wheel 
panel. 

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And it was, you know, about that
long, we'll see it on the on the

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cockpit that long with a couple 
of little brackets on it and a 

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handmade thing by a guy who 
spent the whole week. 

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And that's what he produced. 
And if you think there were 350 

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Lightnings or so, he must have 
made 350 of those panels. 

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And that's his life's work. 
And I find that fascinating that

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those people don't exist 
anymore. 

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You know it'll be done by 3D 
modelling or whatever it was, or

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a machine. 
Just while we're talking about 

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parts and panels and things like
that, then in terms of the 

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restoration, have you an 
inventory? 

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Do you know what you've got, 
what you haven't got yet? 

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Do you know if you can get the 
stuff you need? 

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Are you going to have to 
fabricate stuff from scratch? 

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Where are you at with that? 
Do we have an inventory? 

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Yeah, it's in my head. 
There are books and books of 

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lightning manuals, and in the 
Lightning manual you can look at

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a manual and there will be a 
side drawing like that and it 

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will go 67 P and it will tell 
you what that panel is and it 

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will go 69 P so port 69. 
That's actually my favourite 

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panel. 
And then 76 P, so that would be 

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that panel and you, you can tell
where every panel goes, but 

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they're all in my head now. 
So I can look at this fuselage 

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now. 
So I can with you, Steve, I can 

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look at this and go right, OK, 
those little fasteners for the 

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number 2 engine hats are 
missing. 

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So we need to find those. 
There's a panel there which is 

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missing on the fin. 
Other than that, that's us 

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pretty complete. 
So I am as a pilot, I know the 

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exterior of the aircraft and I 
can tell what's missing and 

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what's not there. 
But Milton, my go to guru, he 

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will come along and go, ah, you 
need this bolt here to fit the 

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wings in. 
And that bolt there is probably 

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an Armstrong and Whitworth 4 and
4 eighths three quarter inch 

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steel compressed bolt, which 
doesn't exist anymore. 

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So I glibly said, oh, just get 
another one. 

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We just put another bolt in 
there. 

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He said, no, you've got to have 
this bolt and this bolt's up 

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here. 
And so as an exclusive for 10% 

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True, I'm going to show you 
something that no one has ever 

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seen before. 
No, I'm not. 

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There's there's a nut that goes 
on the end of that. 

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It's turning, but it Oh my 
goodness, my hands, it's 

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turning, but it's not going to 
come off unfortunately. 

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And it's called a castellated 
nut. 

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And a castellated nut is 
slightly different because it's 

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got like a top of a castle on it
and you can put it on there, 

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tighten it and then put a split 
pin through the top. 

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So there's all sort of things 
like that. 

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And it seems to me that every 
single nut and bolt in the 

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Lightning is different. 
So the nut and bolt that goes 

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there is going to be different 
to that bolt is going to be 

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different to that bolt is going 
to be different to that bolt. 

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So there's no, there's nothing 
you can sort of go well that'll 

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fit that one, that'll fit that 
one, but it doesn't. 

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What does that mean for the 
restoration though? 

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So you're obviously not going to
fly it again. 

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There's been some question of 
whether or not you're intending 

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to run it again. 
Does it? 

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Is it material to the project? 
If you don't have those bolts I.

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Think as long as you've got half
the bolts, being a pilot, I 

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think, you know, as long as 
you've got half the bolts, it'll

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be fine. 
That's OK. 

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What what I, I sort of have AI 
suppose a bit of a sort of a 

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geekiness about me in that I 
would never want to do something

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like say, for example, the 
wings, but you know, we had to 

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cut these off to fit the wings 
in. 

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I wouldn't do that because I 
always like to think that if we 

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do this properly and we put it 
back together in 100 years time,

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somebody could come back and go,
well, it hasn't been cut. 

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We could make that fly. 
So I think that's unlikely that 

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it would ever fly. 
But never say never, you know, 

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And if we could ever, ever have 
that one in a million chance 

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that it would fly, then good 
luck to us. 

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And there might be something out
there with deep pockets that 

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goes, yeah, I want to fly. 
I want to have it ground run. 

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And if we could get it to ground
run, then, you know, Even so 

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that that's not as good as 
flying, but it's still pretty 

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good. 
What about electric? 

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So I was looking inside earlier 
and I can see that, I mean the 

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presumably the electrical system
is fairly straightforward, but I

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can see the bundles of the wires
have been just cut straight 

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through. 
So are you, are you, are you 

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planning on wiring it? 
You to what degree are you sort 

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of bolting it together as 
opposed to restoring? 

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I'm actually really, really 
worried now because I hadn't 

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noticed that. 
So I'd I'd not noticed that the 

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wires have been cut. 
But yeah, I'll, I'll have a 

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look. 
But thanks for pointing that out

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to. 
Me, Steve. 

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It could be the. 
It could be that I misidentified

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something that didn't have a 
connector. 

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Well. 
Maybe we're going to have a look

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at those right now because it's 
a big thing. 

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No, the the wiring, actually the
wiring and the Lightning was all

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inside the fuselage originally. 
So all the wiring that went from

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the radar and electrical systems
was was routed through the 

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fuselage when they realised that
was a really stupid thing to do.

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Because when it gets really hot 
in here, wiring is in a, in a 

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plastic sheath. 
So that plastic sheath gets 

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hotter and hotter and hotter and
then gets brittle and then it'll

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crack. 
Or if you have a fire in here, 

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if it, if the fire is a flash 
fire and it goes through the 

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wiring, then you're up, up the 
creep that paddle. 

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So what they did was they took 
the wiring and they put it into 

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a conduit on the outside of the 
aircraft. 

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And then there were just 
literally you can't see it on 

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these, but on my other 
Lightning, on a Mark 6 

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Lightning, there are cables that
are that thick of individual 

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strands of wiring that go down 
inside the fuselage. 

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Yeah, I've seen those. 
Those are in the front, front 

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left and yeah, yeah, OK. 
And so you've got to know and 

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they're not labelled so to, to 
work the say, I don't know the 

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master reference gyro, I don't 
know how they know which one 

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does it and where it goes and 
where the generator goes, 

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etcetera, etcetera. 
So yes, the, there's no plan at 

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the moment to do the wiring. 
And I guess here as well, if we 

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look in here, I don't know 
where, I think that's probably a

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fuel pipe and then there'll be 
hydraulic pipes in here as well.

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But a fuel pipe has this little 
nipple on the end of it which 

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has to be tightened up and made 
sort of leak proof. 

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And as soon as that becomes 
loose, then you end up, because 

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this is a high pressure fuel 
system, if you have a leak out 

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of the nipple, it flies across 
there, it goes on to the engine 

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or the jet pipe and then you 
have a flash fire. 

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So what they did was they 
tighten the nipple up as much as

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they could, then they wrapped it
with elastic bands. 

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With elastic. 
Bands with elastic bands and the

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reason for that is because if 
you have a leaky nipple, the 

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thing that you want to have is 
not to have the the fuel coming 

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flying out that way. 
But if you wrap it in elastic 

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bands, the fuel seeps out the 
back so it's it's less of a fire

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risk. 
And all these pipes as you can 

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see so this pipe here might be a
high pressure fuel pipe and it 

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will have a so it comes around 
here if you're following it. 

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So let's say this is one of the 
fuel pipes. 

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It has a, it has a 90° bend in 
here, then it goes to here, has 

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100 has a 60° bend in here, a 
90° bend in here, and then it 

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goes along here and has a 20° 
bend in here. 

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And that fuel pipe is specific 
to that part of the aeroplane 

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and it's, it's unique. 
And then you can see that if you

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have a leak in there or a crack 
in there, then they've got to go

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and find and manufacturer a 
specific piece of pipe that long

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to go from here to here. 
So it's it's a nightmare. 

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And then when you're talking 
about, I mean, I've obviously 

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I'd seen this a long time before
you, Steve, but when you're 

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talking about electrical wires 
being cut, I can now see that, 

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yeah, they have been cut. 
So if you were going to make it 

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run, I think what you would 
probably do is take all that out

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and put some, you'd go to 
somebody that writes computer 

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software and then get get some 
new wiring put in because it'd 

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make life easier. 
But all that wiring as well like

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that, you can just see is, is 
brittle. 

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And yeah, it's never, you know, 
you'd have to do it in a in a 

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Safeway. 
And in addition to fuel and 

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hydraulics, that's probably an 
air pipe. 

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So this air pipe that produces 
air conditioning, you know, is a

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specific shape and that that 
fits in there. 

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So in in the stores department, 
in a Lightning squad and there 

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would be racks and racks and 
racks of that pipe, that pipe 

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fuel, air pipe, electrical 
fuses, relays, you know, all 

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sorts of millions of pieces that
are specific to this particular 

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aeroplane. 
While we're on the subject of 

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electrics, are there any 
electrics in the aeroplane? 

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You've got any black boxes that 
you need to buy? 

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These are all just. 
Is it all just electrical as 

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opposed to? 
I think when you say black 

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boxes, I think it would be 
valves and stuff in that era. 

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So there's nothing really that's
Gucci, OK, But that would be 

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more in the cockpit, I think. 
I think in here there's nothing 

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black box wise. 
Are you talking more like ECM 

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or? 
No, I'm thinking like, you know,

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any gyros, anything that sits in
a big box that. 

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No, I think like here you can 
see this, there's a box down 

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there which has got 24 volts DCI
guess that's a fuse box and 

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that's about it. 
Down the back. 

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If we want to have a walk around
here, there's a thing in here 

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which you can't see because it's
covered up with Detroiters or 

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something. 
However, some flash word he 

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used, there's thing called a 
Hobson's field Control unit. 

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And that's the thing which, so 
when you're flying at 200 knots,

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the stick force feels like that.
This is a bit like stirring 

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porridge. 
So you, you can tell. 

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And this is the one thing about 
a Lightning is it's like no 

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other aeroplane is that if you 
blindfolded me now maybe if you 

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didn't blindfold it'd be very 
dangerous. 

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But if you had me in a blindfold
and you put me in a Lightning in

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A2 seater for example, I shut my
eyes. 

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And I shut my eyes 30 seconds 
and the guy said to me, OK, put 

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your hands on the control 
column. 

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I could probably do that a 
couple of times and tell you how

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fast we were going just by 
going, OK, I know it's sort of 

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like that in the aeroplanes. 
I could feel it. 

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And I don't know how they did 
it, but they have this fantastic

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ability to give you this, what I
call the man machine interface. 

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So you literally strap this on 
and then you went faster and 

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slower and it was part of your 
body, so you knew what speed you

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were doing, what G you were 
pulling just by the way the 

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aeroplane felt. 
And that was down there 

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somewhere in the thing called a 
Hobson's Field Control unit or 

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something. 
And it was a spring, so that as 

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you went to 600 knots, the stick
force became a little bit tight 

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and so you could be a bit more 
twitchy. 

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But it wasn't in the stage like 
a jet province. 

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If you went 400 knots, a jet 
province, you became like this. 

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You'd be trying to control it. 
This was beautifully balanced. 

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It was like an old or an old 
girlfriend. 

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It was like just something that 
was perfectly harmonised. 

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So they got that, absolutely. 
Right. 

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So the last time we did this, I 
sort of embarrassed you a bit by

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saying you were Mr Lightning, 
which you then refuted and said 

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there's lots more people. 
But I am surprised at how much 

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you know about the way the 
aeroplane works. 

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You know, most pilots have to 
know a certain amount about how 

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the aeroplane works or to be 
able to safely operate it, but 

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you seem to know a great deal. 
Where does that? 

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Come from I'm actually Mr Volvo,
that is my passion so. 

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Your Volvo sounds terrible so. 
I'm actually Mr Volvo who knows 

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nothing about why my engine's 
making a noise like a tractor, 

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but I don't know. 
I just, I, every single thing 

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about the Lightning fascinates 
me. 

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And maybe I'm just that one guy 
in a million who's got an 

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obsession and a, a slight 
perversion and a kink about 

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Lightnings. 
You know, for example, here is 

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where the brake parachute went. 
So you put the brake parachute 

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under there in that, in that 
little recess underneath. 

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And then you pulled out under 
the bumper here, 2 very thick 

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steel cables, which if they 
frayed, they would, they would 

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slice your finger open, bearing 
in mind that the grand crew 

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would change these just after 
you landed. 

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So this would be 600° when you 
landed, maybe 500°. 

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This would be red hot, white 
hot. 

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And then they would run along 
like in a Formula One team, and 

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they'd take the old shoot out 
and they put the new shoot in 

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and they do it in about 30 
seconds. 

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They put the new shoot in. 
It's incredibly complicated. 

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It's a real skill and art of 
putting the shoot in, then 

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putting a little device in and 
closing the doors, pull the 

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steel cable out. 
And then in a figure of eight, a

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guy would get up on a ladder, 
put a shoot bolt on the top like

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a thing you put through a cow to
stun it before you put it into 

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Waitrose. 
You put this big bolt in there 

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and then you'd get this cable 
and they would then literally 

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push it into these clips around 
there. 

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And then you go off and you fly 
it Mac 2 or 600 miles an hour, 

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and it would stay in there. 
Occasionally it would come out 

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and you'd have this big cable 
flying behind you. 

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And then when you landed, you 
pull the chute. 

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And so the chute comes out, the 
parachute, and then it's held on

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by that bolt in the cable there 
and is then 30 feet behind you, 

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a big parachute held on. 
And that slows you down. 

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And it's stuff like that that I 
think it's so Meccano and it's 

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so 1950s. 
It's not like a phantom with a 

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hook and a parachute that was in
a, you know, container or a 

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mirage that had a little special
Gucci Dasso Louis Vuitton 

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luggage cantainer with your 
parachute, the parachute which 

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would go in the back. 
The lightning was literally 

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British. 
It was so British it was 

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unbelievable. 
And and that's why I think I've 

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just got this obsession with it.
I don't know when it'll ever 

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end, maybe after Goodwood, but I
maybe I'll think of something 

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else. 
Maybe I'll find another Volvo, 

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you know, who knows? 
But well, wait a minute. 

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So you're you're call sign 
collective. 

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And so budget's here. 
She's not on camera, but she's 

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part of it. 
But there is you, there are 

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others involved in this venture.
And so there will be something 

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after the lightning, presumably.
Is that not the point of? 

439
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,560
The I'll pass you over to to 
Yeah. 

440
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,560
And you know, it's been a lot of
fun and it's been a lot of work.

441
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,760
And I'm sort of, I pinch myself 
that budget and I have actually 

442
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,640
done this together pretty much 
on our own for the last nine 

443
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,800
months. 
But as I said, it is it's a huge

444
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,560
amount of fun. 
And everybody that's supported 

445
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,040
us in Course Line Collective has
been brilliant. 

446
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,440
You know, if they really get 
behind us just by buying a book 

447
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,080
by, you know, subscribing to 
something, it might only be £5, 

448
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,480
but that pays for those bolts to
be fixed in, you know, they're 

449
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520
going to be part of being a 
Goodwood. 

450
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,520
If it wasn't for them, that 
wouldn't be a Goodwood because 

451
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,920
I'm not going to pay for it. 
I'm just not going to pay for 

452
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,640
it. 
Well, we are a little bit in our

453
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,920
time. 
So it has been an adventure and 

454
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,680
next year, who knows, it might 
be a Buccaneer. 

455
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000
I could give you an exclusive, 
we might have a Buccaneer as our

456
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,360
project to do somewhere in the 
world, who knows? 

457
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,160
But the Core Sign Collective 
will always be involved in 

458
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,520
aviation and try to bring people
the other side of aviation, I 

459
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,720
suppose. 
So that's why our newsletters 

460
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000
are a little bit more edgy than 
other people's newsletters. 

461
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Yeah, you do need to subscribe 
to the newsletter. 

462
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,240
You're not already doing that. 
Tell me about Goodwood, then. 

463
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,520
So the we, we did talk about it 
last time, but are you any 

464
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,640
further in arranging that? 
What are the time scales for 

465
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,560
putting this together? 
Will it definitely turn up 

466
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,280
polished? 
Is it You know how? 

467
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,520
How fraught is the plan? 
If I was being clear, I'd say 

468
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800
how long was a piece of string? 
And yeah, of course it will. 

469
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,680
Yeah, it's that's it. 
Yeah, we're, we're committed. 

470
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,760
We're going to have it at 
Goodwood in the end of September

471
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:02,920
1617. 
Assembled. 

472
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Assembly and it will be on 
display, it will be polished and

473
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,000
it will be the P1B and it'll be 
the first time it's been there. 

474
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,280
But to get there we've got to 
find somewhere. 

475
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,560
And the reason, excuse me, we 
didn't have it here at secret 

476
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,840
location is because we don't 
have the facilities, which is 

477
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,360
why it's going to get a Manson. 
And before Goodwill we'll have 

478
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,600
it reassembled. 
So we know that everything's you

479
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,720
know, like, for example, who 
knew that these bolts, which are

480
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,120
incredibly important were just 
lying in the bottom there? 

481
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,040
And have we put those in the 
trailer tomorrow bouncing down 

482
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,200
the M12A12? 
You know, if you'd have found 

483
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,040
one of those in the front of 
your windscreen, we'd have been 

484
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,400
really upset as I'm supposed you
would be. 

485
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,120
But we, we want to make sure 
that we can put it together at 

486
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,800
Manson. 
There'll be a couple of events 

487
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,400
there which you'll obviously be 
invited to 10% true. 

488
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,400
And we'll know then that it's 
ready. 

489
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,400
We did have a bit of a think, 
well, I personally did that. 

490
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,600
If we suddenly realised we 
weren't going to make anyone out

491
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:05,000
of time, could we do 1/2 and 
then leave it as it was and do 

492
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,680
the other half polished? 
But no, I think we'll, I think 

493
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,120
we'll get there and everyone's, 
but people at Manson are 

494
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:11,400
fantastic. 
You know, they're really keen 

495
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,600
to, to see this and get this 
done and they're really good. 

496
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,040
And John, the painter guy, he's 
like a machine, as is Milton. 

497
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,320
The the really big what if 
question is, if we go around 

498
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:31,120
here, is this fin here so I can 
give you an exclusive thief. 

499
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,080
So this fin fillet, I don't know
where the rest of the fin is. 

500
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,920
I'm hoping that farmers. 
It's in the barn store. 

501
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,160
Is it OK? 
So this fin fillet here, if you 

502
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,920
imagine on the original aircraft
would go straight along and then

503
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,200
up to the what's called the 
witch's hat fin, a standard big 

504
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,280
fin. 
But when they put the big fuel 

505
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,520
tank on the bottom and also the 
red top missiles, they realised 

506
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,120
that when they went high speed 
they were losing a bit of 

507
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,960
directional control. 
So they wanted to make the fin 

508
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,280
bigger, and there's a test pilot
of VNE over X + Y / Z which will

509
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,840
tell you that as you go faster, 
you need more fin authority. 

510
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,360
So they built this bigger fin, 
but I don't actually like it 

511
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,840
because it's not representative 
of lightning. 

512
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,840
And now the big question is you 
can see there where it's been 

513
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,760
manufactured. 
Can we take that off, put in the

514
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,920
original spine and do a small 
restoration on the fin and turn 

515
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,880
the aeroplane back into as it 
was on the naming ceremony and 

516
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,000
again, as a bit of an exclusive,
I went to a very secret scrap 

517
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,160
yard in the middle of England 
and I'd been to a place in 

518
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,640
Lincolnshire that morning. 
I've cut my leg badly on a piece

519
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,320
of lightning and I had to phone 
a nurse and she said there you 

520
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,680
think you'll be OK, just put 
some sellotape on it. 

521
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,520
It's all right. 
So I was bleeding profusely from

522
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,480
my leg. 
I drove all the way across the 

523
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,760
UK and I found this scrap yard 
and there was always this sort 

524
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,760
of, I don't know, it's a bit 
like the Holy Grail. 

525
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,680
It's a bit like Atlantis, you 
know, it's a myth that there was

526
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,560
a Lightning fuselage and also a 
lightning fin from a Mark 1 

527
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,600
Lightning in this scrap yard and
RAF Stafford in 1960 or 

528
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720
something. 
They cleared everything out and 

529
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,640
they cleared out fuselages like 
this, three of them brand new, 

530
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,560
and three or four fins from Mark
1 Lightning. 

531
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,880
And there was always sort of 
folklore that they still 

532
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520
existed. 
So I thought it was part of P1B.

533
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520
I would go and try and find out 
if that myth was true. 

534
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,160
So I got there, still bleeding 
profusely, obviously not gone to

535
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,160
A&E and no sympathy from any of 
my nurse friends and got to the 

536
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,560
scrap yard and it was a fully 
working scrap yard. 

537
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,280
And I'm sure if you've ever been
to 1, they're not for the faint 

538
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,120
hearted. 
Those sort of places, there's 

539
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,400
people rushing around, there's 
people crushing fridges, there's

540
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720
people crushing citrons, there's
people doing deals in the corner

541
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,200
with this sort of white powdery 
stuff. 

542
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,000
It's a dangerous place and I 
went there as a sort of a fairly

543
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,240
well spoken bloke and said I 
don't suppose you've got any 

544
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,520
bits of an aeroplane in in your 
scrap yard. 

545
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,400
And he said, Oh yeah, he said go
down the end, go past the skips 

546
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,400
and they're in the bushes. 
So I hobbled along there and in 

547
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,960
this scrap yard was a pile and a
mound of aircraft parts and I 

548
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360
was looking for the Holy Grail 
and I could see this big part of

549
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,960
a wing and I didn't know what 
that was from. 

550
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,120
And I saw an intake from a 
javelin. 

551
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
I thought, well, that's, you 
know, going back a bit, maybe 

552
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,680
we're in luck, but I couldn't 
find the Holy Grail. 

553
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,480
And then I found a fusage like 
this and it was in the bushes 

554
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200
and it was all a bit bashed. 
I thought, OK, we haven't quite 

555
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,400
found what we wanted. 
And then I found this skip and 

556
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,240
under the skip I saw this red, 
white and blue fin flash and 

557
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,960
there it was, was a lightning 
tail with a skip on top of it 

558
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,680
that had been there for 50 
years. 

559
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,520
So I went back and I said to the
guy, you know what, what do I 

560
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,600
have to do? 
He said we'll take the skip off 

561
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,520
and we'll weigh it and we'll 
charge you a pound, a kilo, 

562
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,240
whatever it is. 
So hopefully if we've got the 

563
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,880
brain width and the capacity, we
will try and get that fin from 

564
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,200
the guy, see if it hasn't been 
bashed around too much, if we 

565
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600
can restore it. 
And even if we haven't, then we 

566
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600
could maybe have it alongside 
the P1B to show what the 

567
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,040
original fin was like. 
And then the next problem we've 

568
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,280
got is to try and get this 
lightning fin from a secret 

569
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,000
location in the middle of the UK
near Stafford, actually in a 

570
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
stoke back down to Mansden and 
get it fixed. 

571
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840
How are you going to move this 
thing if it's assembled to I'm? 

572
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,560
Going to fly it, don't tell 
anybody, but I'm going to fly 

573
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,120
it. 
No, we'll have to take it apart 

574
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,800
again. 
So when we, if we sort of move 

575
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,000
to this part here, So I've 
talked about how the wings go 

576
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,120
in. 
If we look at the the forward 

577
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,800
fuselage and I know Milton will 
be sort of going, no, what's he 

578
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,800
doing? 
What's he saying now? 

579
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,360
He's making a mistake. 
There are these little holes in 

580
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:48,520
here, that's where the bolts go 
for the fuselage attachments. 

581
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,000
So the fuselage will go onto 
here and then literally 4 little

582
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,920
bolts will go into there and it 
will be pinned together. 

583
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,240
So you take the nose off and 
then you slide the wings out, 

584
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,840
you unbolt the wings together 
and that's it. 

585
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,000
So you know, other bits of where
you put the gear down, put the 

586
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,080
nose wheel down, stuff like 
that. 

587
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,160
But really it's a 2 day job 
according to Milton. 

588
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,560
You know who knows what he's 
talking about? 

589
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,160
We'll get Milton on Yeah for the
next episode. 

590
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280
So all this sort of stuff in 
here you won't see. 

591
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,320
So in terms of you know, sort of
corrosion and stuff, we won't do

592
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,800
that. 
We'll give it a spray of W 40 or

593
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,440
something, but we don't need to,
you know, we won't be, you know,

594
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,120
adjusting that spring and stuff 
like that. 

595
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,040
So we'll, we'll literally be 
settling it, I think where? 

596
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,600
Where are you at with? 
Sponsorship, well the book's 

597
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,360
still selling well and still 
available, which is good. 

598
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,360
And we've had rust In's who've 
given us some polishing 

599
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,440
products, which is good. 
And we've had a fantastic 

600
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,720
transport company, MRA in 
Halesworth here, who have been 

601
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,080
beyond brilliant. 
They, I mean, it's, it's, you 

602
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,840
know, part of a, you know, 
probably a 10 minute programme, 

603
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:08,120
but I spent probably three 
months trying to get into my 

604
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,840
head without an Excel 
spreadsheet because I don't do 

605
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640
that sort of malarkey. 
How we're going to move the 

606
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720
lightning from here to Goodwood.
And everybody said, oh, you got 

607
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080
to contact this guy. 
And there's folklore in aviation

608
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,200
of, you know, Jim Smith, he, 
he's the best guy who can do 

609
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280
this, or Charlie McGregor, he's 
the Gress guy. 

610
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,080
And they know how to move stuff 
and everything. 

611
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,200
And in the end, the owners, 
Giles and Julian, they knew a 

612
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
local haulage company and they 
did it and they moved the wings 

613
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,560
down to Halesworth. 
And Ian, the driver, he's a bit 

614
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,040
like, you know, when you went to
the fun fair and you had, you 

615
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,000
put the 1 penny in all the, it's
probably like 10 lbs now. 

616
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,280
And the little arm comes out 
like the little disabled arm, it

617
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,880
goes down and it picks up a ball
or something and it puts it and 

618
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,480
drops it in there. 
Ian was like a guy like that on 

619
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,600
steroids. 
So he was at the, the controls 

620
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,960
of the, the lorry and he was 
picking up the wings and he was 

621
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,240
sort of moving them within one 
millimetre to two millimetre. 

622
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,320
So can we just move it like tilt
it 5° to left or five? 

623
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,200
Yep, do that, do that. 
And he literally put the two 

624
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,640
wings next to each other within,
you know, half an inch or so. 

625
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,080
So he was, he saved our day when
we moved to Manson. 

626
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,360
So hopefully he'll do the same 
with this. 

627
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,040
So we have MRA have been the 
best guys ever. 

628
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000
So by the time this episode goes
out, the rest of this airframe 

629
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,600
will have gone to Manson. 
So this airframe here, we have 

630
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,120
nose fuselage, we've got the 
wings down there. 

631
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,159
The bits are missing, the 
tailplane, the tail thin, the 

632
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:33,600
stabilators, the engine hatch 
under the bottom there #1 engine

633
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,639
hatch. 
And I don't think we'll take the

634
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:36,920
ventral tank with us, the fuel 
tank. 

635
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:45,120
So under here where you can see 
a bit like a bikini line there, 

636
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,400
that's where the ventral tank 
would fit it on. 

637
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,360
But if we put that on, we've got
to paint it, we've got to clean 

638
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,040
it, and then we've got to bolt 
it on. 

639
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,240
And actually when it was 
crystaled lightning, it didn't 

640
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,960
have that on there. 
So I think we'll just leave that

641
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:04,080
off to save a bit of time. 
And so you did mention at the 

642
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,440
beginning you've talked about 
the patina on the aeroplane. 

643
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,720
You want to preserve these 
stencils, the original stencils.

644
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,680
Do you need help doing that? 
Are you looking for people who 

645
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,760
are experts in chemicals? 
Or to be honest, to be able to 

646
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,320
restore without damaging anybody
sleep, particularly people who 

647
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,440
would do media, it's called 
media blasting or dry ice 

648
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,880
blasting, which will allegedly 
will take that varnish off but 

649
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,400
not take the #4 off. 
If we can do that, all the 

650
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,240
better. 
Or somebody that can create a 

651
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,080
transfer that could go over the 
top of that, say, for example, a

652
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,880
decal. 
And you know, we're, we're happy

653
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,320
to work with anybody. 
And so far, as I said, everybody

654
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,120
we've worked with. 
Oh, another exclusive for you. 

655
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,120
So we had a meeting with Asus 
High Gallery and maybe I 

656
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,760
shouldn't say this, but probably
a bit too late now we are 

657
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,280
getting a painting Commission or
they are getting a painting 

658
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Commission of the P1B. 
So the P1B had this one, X847853

659
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,640
and 856. 
They have an artist who's going 

660
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,000
to do a painting, a beautiful 
idea of the three prototypes all

661
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,960
together doing a tail chase. 
So we're going to have that 

662
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,240
done, They're going to sell 
them, and we're hopefully going 

663
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,280
to have a sort of a lightning 
fest at Acer Site Gallery in 

664
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,840
July where I'm going to give a 
talk. 

665
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,440
There'll be some lightning 
partners there, some signatures,

666
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,400
etcetera, and a bit of a 
lightning day. 

667
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,280
And then we'll sell prints and 
they're going to donate some 

668
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,480
prints to us. 
So they've been amazingly good 

669
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,360
as well. 
So thank you, Caroline and 

670
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,720
Colin. 
One of the things that we think 

671
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,760
would be fantastic is to have 
AP1B watch. 

672
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,440
So a particular watch that's 
designated to the P1B. 

673
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,120
So we're working on that. 
Whether we'll get that done in 

674
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,080
time for Goodwood, who knows? 
Yeah, it's, it's work in 

675
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,760
progress. 
You know, we've got so much for 

676
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,760
the two of us going on, getting 
this down here that things have 

677
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,000
sort of slipped a bit on that 
side, on the merchandising side.

678
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,000
But we've got, yeah, we've got 
our fastest Fury T-shirts, we've

679
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,560
got our patches, we've got our 
pins from the subscriptions that

680
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,960
you can get all sorts of stuff, 
which would be good. 

681
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,880
OK, so from the episode point of
view, next time we see you, 

682
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,600
we'll probably be at Manson. 
Yep. 

683
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,440
We're going to try and get 
Milton onto the channel to talk 

684
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,080
about some. 
Milton's your technical guru. 

685
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,720
He's Mr Lightning engineer. 
Let's say. 

686
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:21,280
He knows all about how to put 
them together. 

687
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,760
He's done that before. 
He's got his own lightning. 

688
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,880
So we'll get him on the channel 
and get talking to him about the

689
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,360
intricacies of doing the 
assembly, the reassembly. 

690
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,520
What do you, what do you think 
the time scales are then for 

691
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,200
having this ready? 
Because you, I think you said 

692
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,400
that you were going to do some 
event days at Manston Co-op, 

693
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,800
which is Rich Cooper who's been 
on the channel before. 

694
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,600
He's going to bring some of his 
sort of photo mates along and do

695
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
some kind of shoot. 
What are the time scales for 

696
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,600
that? 
So I was going to say something 

697
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,240
really witty and say well we're 
currently January and we've got 

698
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:54,080
loads of time, but actually 
we're May, we're May the 5th or 

699
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,360
the 6th, I can't remember which 
day it is. 

700
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,560
So we've got what we've got May,
June, July, August, September. 

701
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,600
We've got about four months. 
And yes, we've got something 

702
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,640
with Co-op planned and the plan 
will be with Co-op is to have 

703
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,480
the aeroplane fully assembled 
with a ladder on the cockpit 

704
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,720
with the cockpit open. 
And those guys do do amazing 

705
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:16,240
photographs and amazing sort of 
replications and dioramas and 

706
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,120
things. 
So we'll have access to the 

707
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,400
cockpit. 
We may have a guy in, you know, 

708
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,040
1950s flying suit, whatever they
want to do with a couple of red 

709
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,760
tops or a couple of Fire St 
missiles alongside it parked 

710
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,600
outside I think at Manson. 
So it'll be towed out, put 

711
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,360
outside, and there'll be a 
couple of other private events, 

712
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,160
maybe a big one for our 
subscribers, which would be nice

713
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,640
as a thank you for them. 
And then there's another private

714
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,280
event at the airport for a 
helicopter company. 

715
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,640
So as much as we can get done, 
and obviously we're going to 

716
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,200
have to, we'll have to have a 
stop sometime in August, 

717
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,880
probably around about, I don't 
know, 20th of August or so. 

718
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,320
So we've got a month before we 
can transport, take it apart, 

719
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,080
transport it all down to 
Goodwood and then put it 

720
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,240
together at Goodwood. 
OK, nothing difficult. 

721
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Sounds good. 
Well, lucky. 

722
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,560
Thanks again. 
Pleasure. 

723
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,160
Appreciate it. 
Good luck with the next step and

724
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,360
look forward to seeing you again
soon. 

725
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,640
Awesome. 
Thank you for having us.