1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,720 Well, hey everybody, welcome to STRONGER Weekly, brought to you 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,080 by Purest Nutrition. I'm your host, Jesse Carajet. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,840 Thanks for joining us today. I've got a great episode lined 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,480 up for you. Kaylin Pete, the program 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,760 specialist and spokesperson for the Family Online Safety 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,120 Institute, joins us to talk all things technology, social media, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,360 AI through the lens of parenting. 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,960 How do we make sure we're communicating and educating our 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,640 kids around this technology, putting up guard rails to make 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,440 sure that they're using them safely, and having ongoing 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,800 conversations to ensure that we're keeping our kids safe 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,360 online. This is a continuation from last 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,080 week's episode where we unpacked the massive lawsuit that 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,560 actually found tech platforms liable for creating addictive 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,320 platforms that hook people and eventually could harm them, 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,240 especially kids. So it was a great conversation. 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,720 I think you're going to learn a lot about the big picture of 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,480 what's happening, but also get some practical tools and steps 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,240 as a parent or anyone really, to make sure that everyone is using 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,280 this technology safely. It is a very important topic 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,080 right now, and I'm so glad that Caitlin joined the show. 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,640 So she's going to join us here. But as we always do, we're first 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,760 going to jump into the health and fitness headlines. 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,680 Of the week. Let's dive in. 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,240 First up folks, What? If a few minutes of harder 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,440 exercise could be even more impactful than longer durations 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,760 of easy and moderate exercise, well, a new study says that it 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:36,360 just might. So. 29 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Published in the European Heart Journal, researchers tracked 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,120 nearly 96,000 people using wrist worn accelerometers. 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,600 And they compare the total activity versus the proportion 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,360 of which was what is called intense or vigorous. 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,120 And the results, People who did more vigorous activity, even 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,480 just shorter bursts like running for the bus, had substantially 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,280 lower risks of heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,480 dementia, arthritis, chronic kidney disease, liver disease 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,520 and respiratory disease. So basically all the worst 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,440 things in the world that you don't want. 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,520 And the key finding, it's not just about how much you move 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,080 total, it's about how hard you push yourself. 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,880 So intensity does matters. So take away if you're currently 42 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,680 walking, try to throw in some jogs in the middle of it. 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,320 If you're cycling, throw in some sprints. 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,440 If you're not doing anything rigorous at all, start to do it 45 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,440 because quality of the work is more important than the quantity 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,120 of the work. Next up, if you've ever felt 47 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,840 like your BMI, your body mass index does not tell the whole 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,600 story of your health, new research says you might be 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,680 right. And this is something that I've 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,720 always noticed. My BMI, I don't know, it's like 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,880 2324. I'm supposed to be obese and I 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,800 am not, doesn't make sense to me. 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,720 So a new study to be presented at the European Congress on 54 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,680 Obesity used DXA. DEXA scans, the gold standard 55 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,160 for measuring body fat, to compare actual body composition 56 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,000 with BMI classification. Stay with me. 57 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,920 They found that more than 1/3 of adults were placed in the wrong 58 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:04,520 weight category based on those results. 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:10,120 So amongst those labeled obese by BMI standards, 34% should 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,880 have been classified as overweight. 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,160 Amongst those labeled overweight, more than half were 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,640 reclassified, most of them to normal weight and in the 63 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:23,480 underweight category, nearly 70% were actually normal weight. 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,480 So lead author Professor Marwyn L Goach put it simply quote a 65 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,960 large proportion of individuals are misclassified when relying 66 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,760 on the traditional BMI classification. 67 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,960 So the take away BMI is a rough down and dirty estimate. 68 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,240 It is not a diagnosis. 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They are compounds like BPC 157, 103 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,960 IPA, Morolin and Motcs. Don't worry, you don't have to 104 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,120 know what that is that people are using for things like tissue 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,560 repair, fat loss and anti aging. Some people muscular growth, 106 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,920 mental health I've heard as well. 107 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,360 Well, right now most of them are not FDA approved and compounding 108 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,120 pharmacies aren't allowed to make them, but that may change 109 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,640 soon. So as Health Secretary RFK 110 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Junior said in February, he expected the FDA to reclassify 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,880 about 14 peptides within just weeks, opening the door for 112 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,680 compounding pharmacies to produce them legally a month 113 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,600 later. From then, no action had been 114 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,000 taking. The Wellness world is watching 115 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,600 clearly. And if you're an investor, you 116 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,840 should probably be watching clearly as well. 117 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:57,960 So the case for the change, why do this? 118 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,040 Right now? People are buying peptides from 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,840 overseas or Gray market websites selling quote, UN quote, 120 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:07,080 research grade products that aren't meant for humans at all. 121 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,280 And the black market and the Gray market are running amok. 122 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:14,280 That's a quote, said Scott Brunner of the Alliance for 123 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:16,760 Pharmacy Compounding. And then the concern is this. 124 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,880 Most of these compounds haven't even been tested for safety in 125 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,280 humans. And without rigorous testing in 126 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,320 trials, we don't even know if they can cause terrible things 127 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,240 like liver damage, immune reactions, or even just 128 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,280 literally like disease, physical harm. 129 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:32,520 So for now, it's something to keep an eye on. 130 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,920 If you're currently using peptides, please make sure you 131 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,840 are doing that under the guidance of a doctor. 132 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,440 You're fully vetting where you're sourcing them from and 133 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,200 justice be careful until our FDA or government has a better 134 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,680 chance to kind of vet put a process in place to make it safe 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,720 and accessible for everybody. Next up, added to the rando file 136 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,920 here. But the CDC has paused 137 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,000 diagnostic testing for more than two dozen infectious diseases, 138 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,960 including things like rabies, monkey pox and parasitic 139 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,320 infections. So the agency says it's part of 140 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,640 a routine quality review and expects many tests to return in 141 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,000 the coming weeks. But the move comes after 142 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,480 significant staffing cuts. The CDC lost an estimated 20 to 143 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,680 25% of its entire workforce over the past year alone. 144 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,280 The pox virus and rabies labs alone lost about half of their 145 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,240 staff, so it could be a connection there. 146 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,720 So some of the pause tests are available through commercial 147 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,920 labs, but others, especially for rare diseases, depend on CDC 148 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,840 expertise. So Scott Becker of the 149 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Association of Public Health Laboratories called the pauses 150 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,160 quote concerning only if it's permanent. 151 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,600 State labs in New York and California can pick up some of 152 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,480 the slack, but not every state has the same capacity. 153 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,920 So interesting move here by the CDC. 154 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,800 And last up, folks, let's talk about fraud, particularly in the 155 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,400 state of California and perhaps across the country. 156 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,800 Federal officials have arrested eight people in the state of 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,280 California this week in a $50 million healthcare fraud scheme, 158 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,480 most of it involving fake Hospice care. 159 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,160 So more on that. The charges center on Hospice 160 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,400 facilities in the Los Angeles area that builds Medicare for 161 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,240 patients who are not terminally ill and did not even qualify for 162 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,320 Hospice services in the 1st place. 163 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,160 One pair of providers allegedly were recruiting and paying 164 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,320 patients $300 a month to sign up for Hospice care that they don't 165 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,720 even need. In other words, they're not 166 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,760 expected to die anytime soon. And then billing the government 167 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,360 for reimbursement. Just disgusting. 168 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:31,360 One facility had a survival rate of 97%, meaning on Hospice, 169 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,720 almost no one died. And just to put that into 170 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,720 context, in legitimate Hospice care, you can expect that to be 171 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,760 typically closer to about 80%. So CMS Administrator Doctor Oz 172 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,320 said the agency has already suspended 221 hospices in the 173 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,360 state of California in the last 10 weeks alone and is reviewing 174 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,640 every Hospice in the state. Get em. 175 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,840 It's a reminder fraud in healthcare does not just waste 176 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,320 taxpayer money. It undermines care for the 177 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,720 people who actually need it. I, I hate this stuff when I hear 178 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,400 the people who are doing this, this is taxpayer dollars and 179 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,440 people need it. There are people who genuinely 180 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,280 need the support. And then you have these 181 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,320 financial predators that are out there that see a loophole and 182 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,880 jump in and take advantage of that system, diverting the 183 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,120 actual care from people who need it to their own pockets, Right. 184 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,040 And it's disgusting. It's a true crime. 185 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,320 It does real harm. And I'm so glad our government 186 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,680 is focusing on this in California, and I hope they do 187 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,560 it throughout the country. So power to them. 188 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,400 All right, folks. And that's it for our Health and 189 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,960 Fitness News of the WEEK. Caitlin, welcome to the show. 190 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,760 Thanks for coming. Yeah. 191 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,400 So glad to be on here today. Excited to speak with you. 192 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,840 Yeah, the pleasure is all mine. Very, very timely topic we're 193 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,800 going to discuss here. And I know that parents kind of 194 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,480 like all over the country, given the news lately in the world of 195 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,120 social media and AI, are just kind of like looking for tips 196 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,360 and guidance on how to kind of manage this thing, especially 197 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,240 with their kids. But let's start here. 198 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:01,160 For people who don't know the Family Online Safety Institute, 199 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,640 AKA FOCI, can you just give an overview of what that is? 200 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,040 Yeah. Absolutely. 201 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,400 So here if OC, we're A5O1C3, so we're a non profit and our goal 202 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,600 is just to make the world safer for kids and their families. 203 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,600 So what's really special about our work is we kind of have 204 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,280 three PS in which we do this, which is policy practice and 205 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,440 parenting. And so we're really able to kind 206 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,520 of sit at the intersection of parents, educators, tech 207 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,520 companies, industry and policy makers to kind of figure out how 208 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,920 do we tackle these issues. You know that as you spoke to 209 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,040 earlier, everyone's kind of struggling with at the moment. 210 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,280 Yeah, and how long has Fosi been around? 211 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,880 Fosi's been around for 20 years, so actually this December we're 212 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,160 going to have our 20th kind of annual conference to to 213 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,680 celebrate 20 years of online safety work. 214 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Wow, congratulations. How did it start and who started 215 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,720 it? Yeah, it. 216 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,400 Was started by Steven Bolcombe If you were kind of in the 217 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,320 online safety space or have heard about it, he is kind of 218 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,800 one of The Pioneers. He in the early 2000s at the 219 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,920 start of, you know, the web one point O realized that this web 220 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,240 world as we know it is progressing and there's a big 221 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,200 gap for kids specifically and how to make sure that they're 222 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,320 safe and supported. And so he created the family 223 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,960 online Safety Institute. We've been growing ever since. 224 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,120 Wow, shout out to him. He saw he saw a need a long time 225 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,000 ago and we're starting to realize now like, whoa, we, we 226 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,280 need some help guidance here. You mentioned partner with tech 227 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,680 companies. I know from doing some research, 228 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,120 Apple, Google, TikTok, Roblox, I don't know what that last one 229 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,760 is, but what is what is that partnership look like? 230 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,320 How does foci kind of lean in with them to make sure that 231 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,040 they're putting in some guardrails for safety? 232 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Yeah. Absolutely. 233 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,320 I think just to kind of before I dive into that answer, I think 234 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,160 that, you know, sometimes when people hear foci and that we're 235 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,960 kind of working with tech, you know, may give rise to some 236 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,080 alarm. But I think it's really 237 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,560 important to note that, you know, these tech companies are 238 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,480 the ones that are making these platforms that, you know, we use 239 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,280 that children use. And so it's a balance of 240 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,800 figuring out when we're working with tech companies, where are 241 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,280 these gaps and how can they make features better so that they 242 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,920 support younger kids. And, you know, how can we do 243 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,960 product testing to make sure that before a new piece of 244 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,640 technology comes out that it's and it's ready and there's no 245 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,280 gaps that could potentially hurt younger kids, teens or families. 246 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,960 So definitely, definitely a big and good collaboration. 247 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,720 Got it. Now, does Fosi reach out to them 248 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,400 or do they reach out to you for that guidance? 249 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,560 Usually it's both. So when, for example, if a tech 250 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:42,440 company is releasing best practices for families, they'll 251 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,760 usually reach out to us and we'll proactively work with them 252 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,200 to figure out, OK, you know, what are the goals here? 253 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,320 What are we missing? How can we make this better? 254 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,040 Reversely, if if they don't reach out to us and they release 255 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,520 something and we're like, you know, you guys can do better, 256 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,920 right? Then we're kind of proactively 257 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,520 going to them and figuring out, you know, let's take this back a 258 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,800 step and figure out how can we improve this so that families 259 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,440 are better supported. Got it, got it. 260 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,320 And then kind of like back to that, maybe more like 261 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,400 mechanically like So what does that partnership look like once 262 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,440 you're engaged with them? Do you have team members that 263 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,640 kind of consult, embed themselves, meet with them 264 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,320 regularly? Just kind of unpack that if you 265 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,680 could, Yeah. Absolutely. 266 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,360 So kind of going back to our three PS kind of the main teams 267 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,000 that Foci are parenting, which I lead, we have a policy team and 268 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,440 then we have our practice team. And so each of us do regular 269 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,720 check insurance with members to support them on each of these 270 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,360 pillars, depending where they need help. 271 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,000 You know, recently there's been kind of a lot of online safety 272 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,200 kind of in federal legislative news. 273 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,600 And so our policy team has really been leaning in to 274 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,200 support members. But conversely, you know, if if 275 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,680 a member is creating, you know, a new resource for parents or 276 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,000 maybe they want to do a webinar, then, you know, I would reach 277 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,800 out and figure out how we can best support them. 278 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,480 So we try to make it very targeted so that it's not super 279 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,320 high level, but it's very niche and stuff that can be kind of 280 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,960 directly inputted into their work. 281 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,480 Yeah. And you mentioned you mentioned 282 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,000 policy lately. So let's let's move there. 283 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,920 Of course, there was this, they're calling it watershed, 284 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,360 you know, trial in California. And essentially just bear with 285 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,680 me here as I try to summarize for the audience if they're 286 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:19,760 they're not aware, but for a while now, and these are this is 287 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,480 how I would phrase it, social media platforms kind of posture 288 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,840 towards the the issue of kids getting addicted. 289 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,120 People get addicted is, hey, look, we made the platform. 290 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,720 We're not responsible for what's on it and what happens. 291 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 And you jump in and correct me if, if I'm miscategorizing 292 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,800 anything, right? But this, this so far, so good. 293 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,440 So the trial last week, essentially the a jury found 294 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,240 that the platforms are responsible in that they've 295 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,920 designed it in such a way that the platform itself uses 296 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,680 addictive features that then hook the people on the contents. 297 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Am I still accurate? Yeah, which which people are 298 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,480 thinking is going to unlock now that they were found guilty of 299 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,040 that many, many copycat lawsuits and in fact over 2000 are 300 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,920 already kind of pending. Little diatribe here, but I've 301 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:16,720 noticed I'm getting served ads on my own Instagram from legal 302 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,520 firms who are like kind of looking for people to bring 303 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,200 those cases. I know that Met in particular 304 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,120 has laid off and fired hundreds and hundreds of employees in 305 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,320 anticipation of more lawsuits. And that's all context to kind 306 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,640 of just ask you if you can just give your thoughts or unpack 307 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,480 like what happened last week and what we might expect going 308 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,720 forward, especially in the world of social media specifically. 309 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Yeah. Absolutely. 310 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,960 You know, it's funny that you mentioned those ads because 311 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,680 since last week I've also started to get those on my book 312 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,360 and Instagram. So, you know, maybe they're 313 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,480 talking everywhere. Yeah, but to be just very 314 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,440 specific. So Meta and YouTube were found 315 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,840 liable for addictive product designs that specifically caused 316 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,320 emotional distress to a user. And so this is really important 317 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,640 because from a legal perspective, this hasn't really 318 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,720 happened before. It it's important to give it 319 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,360 context that this is just one trial on behalf of one person. 320 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,560 But like you said it, it kind of represents a shift and that, you 321 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,840 know, social media companies and just tech industry in general 322 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,800 can start to be legally liable for, you know, the harms that 323 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,720 are potentially caused to their users. 324 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,560 So prior to this, you know, we didn't see this because there 325 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,640 are certain pieces of legislation in the US that 326 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,040 sometimes protect industry from what's on their platforms. 327 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,600 As you spoke to earlier, that's kind of the position of, you 328 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,320 know, we created this, but we're there's a disconnect on kind of 329 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,960 the direct impacts of what happens on that platform they 330 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,200 created. And now there's kind of more of 331 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,840 a connect and what a user experiences and how that impacts 332 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,520 their health specifically, you know, mental health, physical 333 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,880 health, and, you know, anything along the lines of that. 334 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:00,440 Yeah, and my, my guess here is now more than ever, those tech 335 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,680 companies are going to need the help of Foci and others. 336 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,079 I'm assuming your guys phones are ringing off the hooks. 337 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,240 Yeah. It's been a busy few weeks, 338 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,839 yeah. I bet real quick I hate the B 339 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,079 word folks. But I am busy. 340 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,440 I'm a busy guy. 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And I, I also know that there 364 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,480 are some countries across the world who are kind of ahead of 365 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,760 us addressing the issue of what to do with this social media 366 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,040 thing. Countries like Australia that 367 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,880 have actually they have social media bands. 368 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,280 I, I, I think for Australia it might be 16 and younger. 369 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,200 There's other countries up to 18. 370 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:39,640 Do you, in your opinion, if you had a crystal ball, do you think 371 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,160 that that's where we're heading in America I. 372 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,080 Don't believe so. I think that there's a lot of 373 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,640 moving pieces in the US specifically. 374 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,320 So it's kind of a unique case study where we see a bit of a 375 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,920 patchwork in terms of what states are doing versus what's 376 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,080 happening at the federal level. So the federal level, of course, 377 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,600 is moving very, very slowly, and states are kind of creating 378 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,320 different laws and pieces of legislation to make sure that 379 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,920 users are more protected. But there's nothing signaling a 380 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,080 nationwide ban that would pass in the US kind of anytime soon. 381 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,720 You know, from Fosi's perspective, we think that bans 382 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,040 in some circumstances can be a bit harmful because a blanket 383 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,560 ban doesn't take into account, you know, the individual needs 384 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,920 of kids or the families or even kind of the state. 385 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,760 We think that have targeted and thoughtful restrictions are more 386 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,440 balanced way to approach that instead of just, you know, 387 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,320 slapping a ban on something and kind of moving on. 388 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:39,640 Two follow up questions there. We'll start with the you said 389 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,800 targeted and thoughtful is. It possible? 390 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,640 Let's. Just say hypothetically US did 391 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,320 want to ban access to social media. 392 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:49,800 Is it? Possible. 393 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,080 Do we have the technology to target it in such a way that we 394 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,480 can prevent kiddos and teenagers from getting on platforms? 395 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,520 Yeah. I mean, I think that that opens 396 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,680 the door to another larger question, which is age 397 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,880 assurance, right? And so I think even in Australia 398 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,120 and some of the EU countries that have thought about bans and 399 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:11,600 have enacted them, you know, age assurance by definition is how 400 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,080 technology companies figure out how old a user is. 401 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:17,240 And so some of these ways can be, you know, you just 402 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,920 inputting, you know, I was born in 1970, right? 403 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,840 So they kind of take that at face value. 404 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,840 And you were, you know, 50 years old. 405 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,200 Other forms of age assurance are they're sometimes facial 406 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,000 indicators. So you know when you use an 407 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,680 iPhone, you have kind of the face Idi don't know if you've 408 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,480 ever used that before. And in this instance it would 409 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,160 use your face and estimate your age. 410 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,560 There's also Google has a kind of a cool thing where you self 411 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,760 declare so you input your age manually and based off of your 412 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,280 Google searches and your habits, it makes a further indication if 413 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,800 that age is accurate. So back to your question, I I 414 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,960 think that countries are struggling to figure out which 415 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,520 form of age assurance would be the best while also balancing 416 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,440 those kind of privacy concerns because users aren't jumping at 417 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,440 the opportunity to provide more information about themselves to 418 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,920 tech companies and not necessarily knowing where their 419 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,320 data is going. So that makes it a bit hard to 420 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,360 do it to do a ban. Got it. 421 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,960 And then my other, my other follow up question is that when 422 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,320 you in your answer there, you said it could be harmful to, to 423 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,720 ban kids or, you know, teenagers from social media. 424 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,320 What would be harmful about that? 425 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,120 What, what, what? What about Removing that access 426 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,600 could negatively impact their life. 427 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,120 Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think that sometimes 428 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,720 we don't give kids enough credit. 429 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,760 You know, I think that there is an implication that sometimes 430 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,960 kids go on social media and they're just kind of doom 431 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,440 scrolling and it's a completely negative experience. 432 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,960 But we actually did some research that was released in 433 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,680 December that said a majority of kids use social media for 434 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,880 connection. There's also a large portion of 435 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,920 children that use social media to explore identities. 436 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,720 So, you know, those belonging to the LGBTQ plus community. 437 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,960 So when you're removing this kind of digital world that 438 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,240 they've grown up in, it kind of makes them not only lose 439 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,680 connections, it prevents them from learning more about 440 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,920 themselves as they develop. And they kind of are hit with a 441 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,680 brick wall. So you take this away and 442 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,160 there's nothing to replace it. So, So what? 443 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,760 What do kids do you know? Yeah, yeah. 444 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,000 I mean, I, I suppose for that population, what would they do? 445 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,800 They would probably feel more isolated and alone in the world 446 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,400 with what they're dealing with. And I get that. 447 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,640 I totally get that. I think what it would probably 448 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,480 come down to is a is a cost benefit analysis, right? 449 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,920 If you remove something which is more important, right, What you 450 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,000 lose or, or what not. And, and I'm focusing a lot here 451 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,480 on like the social media that I think most people are accustomed 452 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,920 to. But I know that you work with 453 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,320 other types of tech companies. I mentioned Google, I mentioned 454 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Apple and Roblox. What kind of work are you doing 455 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,520 with those types of organizations? 456 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,120 So. Google, for example, we have 457 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:59,840 been working with them a lot on AI, which is as you spoke to 458 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,760 earlier, kind of the new buzz worthy thing that everyone is 459 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,600 trying to deal with. So just figuring out how them 460 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,560 and some of our other members like Entropic, making sure that 461 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,840 their rental controls and that their AI is is safe for someone 462 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,680 like Roblox. You know, that's a bit of a 463 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,400 unique example because that's kind of a gaming platform where 464 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,520 you see a high use percentage for kids as well as a high use 465 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,760 percentage for adults. So making sure that those two 466 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,560 distinct groups stay distinct and there's not no potential for 467 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,680 overlap that would lead to harm. Got it, got it. 468 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,800 And on the topic of like the Robloxes of the world and even 469 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,720 maybe back to social media, when we talk about harm, I, I know 470 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,480 just for me being a consumer of news that some of that harm is 471 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,480 actually these platforms give access to these kids. 472 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,400 I don't know if I'm phrasing this right, but by predators, 473 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,120 people who want to engage, lure and do physical harm and 474 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,960 sometimes mentally, emotionally harm, especially with, with 475 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Roblox, I've listed, I've I've heard some podcasts that talk 476 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,160 about that as a platform where predators are just kind of 477 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,480 waiting. Is that something that your 478 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,400 organization is is focusing on and even considering when you're 479 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,200 when you're thinking about the big picture with these 480 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,680 platforms, access to kids and how they might be harmed? 481 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,120 Yeah. Absolutely. 482 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,480 And and I think that goes back to what I was saying about age 483 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,200 assurance. And so for a lot of these 484 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,280 platforms, when you have a younger demographic and an older 485 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,920 demographic, sometimes the younger, younger demographic is 486 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,960 finding ways to get on parts of the platform or parts of an app 487 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,280 that are meant for older people. And that's when a lot of these 488 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,800 negative interactions are happening. 489 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240 To text credit, a lot of these companies that we work with have 490 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,040 wonderful trust and safety teams and their rental controls, if 491 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:47,200 used correctly, are, are very, very good at setting a baseline 492 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,280 to make sure that your child is foundationally safe. 493 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,080 Again, these aren't waterproof solutions, but you know, it's a 494 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,920 very good baseline to for parents to use. 495 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,160 I think some of these those issues come up when parents are 496 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,800 busy and parents are overwhelmed. 497 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,440 But you know, when if a child downloads roadblocks and you 498 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,360 just kind of give them the app and they run off and play with 499 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,880 it as they will instead of a parent looking into the app, 500 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,400 what are the risks? What are the parental controls? 501 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,800 Have I used the parental controls correctly to make sure 502 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,680 it's kind of a guided process instead of just diving into the 503 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,400 deep end, you know? Yeah, you mentioned parental 504 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,640 controls if used correctly. That's the question, right? 505 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,600 Last week on our episode, we, I, I kind of asked the rhetorical 506 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,400 question of, you know, when it comes to kids safety online or 507 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,320 on social media, how much responsibility goes to the 508 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,520 parents? And let's just make an 509 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,920 assumption here, assuming, assuming they have parents who 510 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,160 are engaged, right? And how much of the 511 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,480 responsibility goes to the tech companies themselves? 512 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600 And I'll just kind of pitch you that that question like where, 513 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,160 where does that responsibility lie? 514 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,560 That's. A tough question. 515 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,080 You know, I think everyone's really struggling with this, but 516 00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,720 but I think, you know, like it's assigning a specific percentage 517 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,720 is a bit harmful. I think that it to to look at it 518 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,840 more as a communal effort is, is pretty essential because, you 519 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,920 know, everyone has a role to play or a role to play. 520 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,480 You know, parents, they're kind of the first line of defense, 521 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,320 right? So what you're teaching your 522 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,400 children, even outside of the digital world is going to 523 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,760 reflect how they behave inside of the digital world. 524 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560 You know, tech obviously needs to be held accountable and they 525 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,040 need to make sure that their platforms are safe for kids. 526 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,520 And then another dynamic, which I think sometimes people miss is 527 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,640 just from, you know, an education perspective, are 528 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,880 children in schools getting the tools that they need to learn 529 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,720 these basic skills to use online? 530 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,680 You know, sometimes I think we look at the online world and we 531 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,040 just assume that kids know how to act and how not to act, but 532 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,680 that's not necessarily the case. So, you know, are we providing 533 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,440 them as educators the tools that they need? 534 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,720 So it's really everyone does play a part. 535 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,040 I wouldn't say it's, you know, specifically 30%, thirty 536 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,920 percent, 30%, but you know, it's, it's, it's, it's important 537 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,840 for everyone. Well put, and I and I know that 538 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,600 Fosi has. Seven steps to good digital 539 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,560 parenting. Which kind of a framework to 540 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,600 help parents to learn? How to be? 541 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,840 Better parents with this stuff and we're going to kind of land 542 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,680 this plane there. But because we we started on AIA 543 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,520 little bit, if I'm not mistaken, Foci just released research on 544 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,040 how teens are using generative AII Would love to hear. 545 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,200 I think I know what that is. I want to hear your explanation. 546 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,560 But like, what are they doing with it? 547 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,200 Should parents be concerned about this generative AI? 548 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,560 Can you unpack that a little bit? 549 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,680 Yeah. Absolutely. 550 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320 So just to provide kind of a foundation and Gen. 551 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,320 AI is the tools that you see like ChatGPT or claws. 552 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:38,400 These are tools that you kind of input a prompt and then it gives 553 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,360 you a response back. And so we released a research 554 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,960 report, I believe in November called Generative AI and 555 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,280 uncertain times. And the the goal of this was 556 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,240 really to see not only how kids were using Gen. 557 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,920 AI, but to figure out how their parents also thought they were 558 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,520 using it because sometimes there can be, you know, a bit of a 559 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,200 disconnect there. And so we found that more than 560 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,920 half of teens were using this more than once a week, which is 561 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,280 pretty significant. We also found that nearly 60% of 562 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720 parents didn't have rules around Gen. 563 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,680 AI. So we have this majority of 564 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,720 teens that are using this almost daily, but the majority of 565 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,440 parents don't really know one, what this technology may be and 566 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600 to kind of any use rules around it. 567 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,920 And so we really kind of figured out that this is embedded into 568 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,880 teens everyday life, but there's a gap that exists that, you 569 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,760 know, we, we need to to close. Any any research or any stats 570 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,600 around at what age kids are picking this stuff up? 571 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,800 Yeah. So our study measured teens as 572 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,040 well as the parents of the teens, but I would say important 573 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,080 distinction here. So sometimes kids can be 574 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,480 introduced to AI as young as two or three years old. 575 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,040 And this is not in the ChatGPT sense that that you would kind 576 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,240 of think, But you know, when a child is engaging, for example, 577 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,480 with an Alexa, so kind of that speaker that they can have a 578 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,440 conversation with or prompt to play a song or even a lullaby, 579 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,800 that is Gin AI. So again, different forms of Gin 580 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,240 AI. But you know, the the 581 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,800 introduction can happen very, very young and kind of 582 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,880 progresses all the way to the teen years. 583 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,600 Wow, different forms. Very important to note. 584 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,840 I didn't even think about that. And I, and we have Alexa and, 585 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,080 and there's times where like we're sitting around the dinner 586 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,080 table and let's just say my, my second grader ask a question 587 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,000 like, you know, Daddy, you know who, who is the 20th president 588 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,640 of the United States? And I've actually had this 589 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960 instinct that I'm not modeling something that's healthy. 590 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200 And you can tell me, but I'll turn and go Alexa, who is the 591 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,640 20th president. And she's picking up that if she 592 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,560 doesn't know an answer, she can walk across the room and do it. 593 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,640 And there was 1 moment where she asked me if she can take Alexa 594 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,120 into her room and listen to music. 595 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,120 And I said sure because I thought that's what she was 596 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,960 going to do. And then I walked by her room 597 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,680 and she was having a conversation with Alexa. 598 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,880 Would you say that's a pink, red, yellow flag for me to make 599 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,240 sure I'm putting guardrails around that? 600 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,480 You know I. Never like to assign specific 601 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,760 labels, but I would say I, I would hope that the Alexa had 602 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,360 parental controls because, you know, if your child has Alexa in 603 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,400 her room without parental controls, I mean, the 604 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120 conversations and information that she could access could be 605 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,880 very much not appropriate for her age. 606 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760 And you know, in some circumstances, very harmful 607 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,640 information that she could have access to. 608 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,800 So I wouldn't say maybe an Alexa in in a bedroom is the best 609 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,000 idea. But again, you know, parenting 610 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,760 is a journey, so it's not wrong or right. 611 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,160 It's next time making sure that you know you change that 612 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080 behavior a little bit. Yeah, and it was probably, I 613 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,560 just overlooked, I thought, I think, hey, this is the speaker, 614 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,640 it's music and she knows how to ask for play the Zombies 615 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,880 soundtrack, right? And I wasn't thinking that she'd 616 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,240 be engaging with AI and look at that lesson for me right off the 617 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,000 bat. A quick anecdote, if if there's 618 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,560 been I've been doing this podcast for over 2 years and 619 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,160 covering the news for about a year and if there's a if there's 620 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,720 if I had to choose one news article or story that just 621 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,840 really made me angry. I just I thought emotions was 622 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,120 somewhat recently on Capitol Hill, a committee on this very 623 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,720 topic invited parents whose children were groomed. 624 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,400 That's the word they used toward suicide in private conversations 625 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,240 with these generative AIS or Gen. 626 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,800 AIS. I'm sure you were watching the 627 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,600 news. How did that land with you and 628 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,880 your, your organization? And, and what are what are those 629 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,640 companies doing about that? So I, I think the core problem 630 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,160 here is that when AI was created, it was kind of a rush 631 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,640 to the finish line and, you know, more innovation, more 632 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,320 innovation making it better and faster. 633 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,560 And so it was largely rolled out, but with no kind of 634 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,520 parental controls or no ability to see how it could be used in 635 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,440 the worst cases. And so we've seen in our 636 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,960 research as well that there is a portion of teens that rely on 637 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,800 Gen. AI and chat bots for emotional 638 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,280 support. You know, maybe they're not 639 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,840 getting the support at home. Some have said that it's easier 640 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400 to talk to a chat bot than a human because it's free of shame 641 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,800 and judgement. And so when you have some of 642 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,800 these platforms that have no mental health training and no 643 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,120 medical background responding to kids who are in mental health 644 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,320 crisis, that's when you end up with situations like you saw on 645 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,160 the Hill where you know, they're not given the appropriate 646 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000 supports and a chat bot says something that's completely 647 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,040 inappropriate or not supportive enough and that causes no 648 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720 physical harm to the child. So that's that's definitely 649 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,040 something that we've been working on. 650 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,240 Is there a potential for them to put guardrails on that where 651 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,320 they can, they can get to a point where like, hey, there's 652 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,240 a, there's a boundary here. If, if a kids asking basic 653 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,960 questions like what is anxiety, what is panic disorder, 654 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,280 whatever. But then at a certain point they 655 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,760 they stop that conversation and just train those models to be 656 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,520 more responsible. Yeah, absolutely. 657 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,960 Some of the the more recent models like Claws, Anthropic and 658 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,600 ChatGPT, now, when they sense a conversation going in a certain 659 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,960 way, they'll stop the conversation and they'll 660 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,240 provide, for example, you know, the resource to the National 661 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,960 Suicide Prevention Hotline. So instead of taking these 662 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,880 conversations all the way to the end like they previously did, 663 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,560 without these guardrails, there's more guardrails, right? 664 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,160 So these conversations don't end up somewhere that's very 665 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,480 dangerous. But users have support. 666 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,520 They're still able to have these conversations, but not to the 667 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,640 extent they were prior. Yeah. 668 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,880 And and do you think in the future, or maybe they're already 669 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,200 doing this, but are there like versions of these platforms, 670 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,360 ChatGPT, Anthropic that are more custom made in specific for 671 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,040 teens? In other words, some of the 672 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,560 features are cut off and parents can like help them set it up on 673 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,880 their kids phone and just know and have the Peace of Mind that 674 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,680 it has limitations versus the adult version we have. 675 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,600 Seen a number of startups, some of these AI companies targeted 676 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,160 at, you know, kids below 13, above 8, which allow them to 677 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,000 have, you know, simple help with homework or ask simple questions 678 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,960 similar to what you did with your daughter, you know, who was 679 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,159 the 34th president. Or they can have very surface 680 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,120 level conversations that provide them with information instead of 681 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,920 deeper conversations. We've also seen some targeted at 682 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,360 teens. These are a little more 683 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,719 questionable I would say, but there is a want in the industry 684 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,440 for more specific apps for under thirteens and above thirteens 685 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,880 that aren't these ones, I thought. 686 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,679 I saw recently that I think Meta may have like rolled out a teen 687 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,920 version of Instagram or something like that. 688 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,400 Is that ring true? Yeah. 689 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,120 That's Meta's teen accounts. Teen accounts they've. 690 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,400 Been doing a. Big marketing push, Yeah, I've 691 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,080 seen that as well. I saw that. 692 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:46,800 As well. Yeah. 693 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,679 Talk a little bit about that. Is that new or is that has that 694 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,760 been around and now they're just promoting it more so it's. 695 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,480 Interesting because Instagram has always had parental controls 696 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,640 where a parent can implement screen time restrictions or 697 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,360 content restrictions for teens. So I think this is more of a 698 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960 marketing strategy where now there's something called a teen 699 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,320 account where a parent can create this account for someone 700 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,840 under the age of 18 and they have more insight into what the 701 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,960 teen is doing. So they can see the pages that 702 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,160 they're liking. They can see to some degree the 703 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,480 people that they may be DM ING as well as general. 704 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,320 I believe it gives overview as to what type of content the teen 705 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,240 saw that day. So it's kind of a more of an 706 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,520 open door into what your teen is doing instead of just kind of 707 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,320 baseline 2 hours a day on the on the app or the app turns off at 708 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,520 10:00 for bedtime. It's it's more descriptive of 709 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,320 the behavior. I, I sense that you might, you 710 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680 might not like what I'm about to say, but as it relates to like 711 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,600 privacy for like my own kids, there is none like. 712 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,280 So what I, what I would want is like if I, let's just say, let 713 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 hypothetically my, my kids are young, right? 714 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,760 Eight. My oldest kid is 8. 715 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,040 But when she gets to this age where she's asking to use these 716 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,680 technologies, if there's a version that is called safe teen 717 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480 safe for her. Let's go back to ChatGPT. 718 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,920 What I would hope for, what I would want is if there's certain 719 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,080 keywords, like if she, if she types in the word suicide into 720 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,320 this platform, I want to push notification with an alarm bell 721 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,680 and I want her phone to turn off. 722 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,600 But I don't know if I don't know if there's any potential for 723 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,720 that level. So yeah. 724 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,720 I think you and a parent, you and a lot of parents want the 725 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,160 same thing, to be honest. Yeah, there are there, there are 726 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,440 several applications that I think are at the device level 727 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,920 that's similar to what you're saying, kind of read a child's 728 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920 activity throughout a phone or an app. 729 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,600 And when they get those, you know, keywords like harm, you 730 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,000 know, suicide, eating disorder, those triggers, I think 731 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,400 notifications get sent to the parents. 732 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,800 So there are apps like that out there, one of which is called 733 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,080 Bark. But there is that idea of the 734 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,360 intrusiveness versus the privacy of, you know, a child or a teen. 735 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,040 Those, those are very much a balance and it's hard to find 736 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,160 that balance. 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I don't know what they are. 765 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,480 I know there's AI tutors, AI companions. 766 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,360 Can you talk a little bit about those types of features that 767 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,040 could be really helpful for from an educational standpoint, I 768 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,240 guess? One of the main AI toys that's 769 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,080 hit the market recently is called Grok. 770 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,720 I'm not sure if you've heard Grok before. 771 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,520 I've heard. Of it, yes, yes. 772 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,280 So this is an AI kind of plushy. Our our CEO Stephen Balcom 773 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,880 actually has one that sits in his desk right behind him. 774 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,760 But a toy like this is specifically marketed towards 775 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,480 children, and it has some of those parental controls that we 776 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,280 were talking about. And so a child can have very 777 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,760 simple conversations with this plush to develop some of its 778 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,800 social emotional speaking skills. 779 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,480 But when, for example, the child is finished speaking with the 780 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,240 plush, a parent would get a written overview of the entire 781 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,040 discussion. So again, there's still a 782 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,200 question of, you know, should a child be speaking to a plush in 783 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,680 general or would these social emotional skills be better 784 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,200 developed with, you know, a human, a parent, a teacher, 785 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,920 which I tend to to learn more to that side. 786 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,440 But nonetheless, there are products that are starting to be 787 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,400 marketed for those developmental aspects and those educational 788 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,320 aspects. Is there any risk? 789 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,960 This is my goofy mind at work here, but when I think about 790 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,080 like an AI powered toy talking to my kid, is there any risk 791 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,640 that someone's going to like, hack that thing and turn it into 792 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,920 like, Chucky from Child's Play and it's going to start saying 793 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,920 all these evil things to my child? 794 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,160 Yeah. You know, that's a great 795 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,280 question. You know, I'm not too into the 796 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,000 the technical side of hacking and those things, but these toys 797 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,560 are connected to the Internet, right? 798 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,280 That's how they're generating these responses. 799 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,040 But I would assume they're they're pretty kind of locked in 800 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,200 terms of, you know, any Chucky style people kind of taking it 801 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,640 and, you know, heading South. So I hope so that would. 802 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,200 Be horrifying if I look across the room and all of a sudden 803 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,560 just look in its eyes around. Thanks for humoring my sense of 804 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,440 humor. Alright, let's if it's OK with 805 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,800 you, let's go to some practical steps. 806 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,720 So what if if you could, why don't you walk us through either 807 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,600 the seven steps to good digital parenting. 808 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,760 However, you want to speak to my listeners to give them some 809 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,760 practical advice, yeah. Absolutely. 810 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,160 So I think maybe a high level of our, our seven steps would be 811 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,080 really great. You know, we created these seven 812 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,640 steps because as I've spoken to before, parents are, are just 813 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,920 overwhelmed, right? There's so many applications, 814 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,560 there's so many devices and parents don't really know kind 815 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,080 of where to start. And in some cases parents, 816 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,680 right, are working several jobs, maybe they're a single parent. 817 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,760 So we created the several 7 steps to give a concrete on a 818 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,720 road map into what parents should do to create a healthy 819 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,360 digital foundation for their kids. 820 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,960 And so at its core, the most important thing that we stress 821 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720 to parents, you know, every event that we do is 822 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,120 communication. And so that's talking with your 823 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,960 child early and often and even more than that, creating a space 824 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,720 where they feel comfortable, right? 825 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,080 So if something doesn't feel right, you know, if something 826 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,440 has happened on one of these online platforms, they don't go 827 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,240 back and reclude, but they come to you and they, they are 828 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,640 comfortable discussing it. So open conversations is always 829 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,240 our number one. From there, a really important 830 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,320 part is just staying informed. Again, I know that there is a 831 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,080 lot going on in the digital world. 832 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,520 But you know, to your point, without the Roblox earlier, you 833 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,440 know, if you have an 8 or 9 year old child that wants to download 834 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,320 an app like that, just making sure that you do the research 835 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,280 before you download it and just hand kind of the iPad over to 836 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,280 your to your child to understand, OK, what are the 837 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,640 mechanics of this? What are the risks and what are 838 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,400 the benefits, right. Because not all technology is 839 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,840 just a negative, which I think we sometimes get a little stuck 840 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,000 in, especially in today's, you know, world. 841 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,200 And I and I think that the next step is just also building on 842 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,840 with that, just making sure that you're using parental controls. 843 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:13,000 And so these are kind of the first defense of being able to 844 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120 make sure that there's some foundation of safety. 845 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,200 And so every app, mostly every app, mostly every device has 846 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,560 some set of parental controls. And so just finding the one that 847 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,360 works best for you and your family and that aligns with the 848 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,480 maturity of your child because there's different and some may 849 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,160 work better and some may not work at all. 850 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,560 I guess kind of one of the last things is we like to have 851 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,000 parents model positive behavior. And this one's really, really 852 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,840 important. And I think it's sometimes a bit 853 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,240 difficult for parents, but I'll just give you an example. 854 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,360 You know, if you have the expectation that your child 855 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,440 shouldn't be on their phone at the dinner table, but you're on 856 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,800 your phone, you know, most of the day or even at the dinner 857 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,480 table, it's kind of hard for you to implement that boundary when 858 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,640 your child is seeing that you don't do that yourself. 859 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,200 So just making sure that you have a tech balance, that you're 860 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,280 following these kind of safe practices and then kind of 861 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160 expecting your child to do that as well because modeling is 862 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,680 important. Children are always kind of 863 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,840 watching us, looking to us to see how they should behave. 864 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,200 Yeah, walk the walk. Yeah. 865 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,400 What's your thoughts on this? I've already had conversations 866 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,440 with my 8 year old where she's asking for access to something, 867 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,920 right? Like she wants to, she wants to 868 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,360 go on see this thing, she wants to maybe have YouTube on where 869 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,800 she can just kind of like browse a different short or something 870 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,280 to watch. And when I try to explain to her 871 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,480 or think through how to explain to her why she can't, one of the 872 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,240 things in the back of my mind is I don't want to plant the seed 873 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,280 that this is a dangerous world, right? 874 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,080 Like you don't want to put so much fear in them that they 875 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,600 start to see the world around them as a dangerous place. 876 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,600 But I kind of do want her to have that awareness, right? 877 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,800 Like to any any thoughts or even just kind of like respond to 878 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,120 that. But like, how do parents 879 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,720 communicate to kids why they can't have access to these 880 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:00,920 platforms, but doing it in such a way that you're also not 881 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,400 creating this fear or anxiety about the world around them, I. 882 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,160 Think that what we really like to lean into is not putting a 883 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,880 hard boundary of you can't have this app, but we like to say not 884 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,040 right now. And so instead of them kind of 885 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,120 creating this image that they're never going to get it, that 886 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,280 they're never going to have it right in the conversation goes 887 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,760 left there. You know, if you, you frame it 888 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,640 as a delay, Well, this, these are the reasons why this app may 889 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,240 not be right for us right now, but let's revisit this in a 890 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,840 month or let's revisit this when you're, you're 10. 891 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,000 And so it opens the door, you know, in a child's mind to, 892 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,720 okay, you know, I can eventually get there because if you give 893 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:39,880 them a hard boundary and you say it's unsafe, you know, it, it 894 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,560 goes in one ear, not the other. And especially if a child goes 895 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,880 into their, you know, classroom and they see that their, their 896 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120 friends have it and they don't, it's it's going to create a 897 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040 constant back and forth and. That on that last point, that 898 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,040 that can be frustrating for me when the the parents of the kids 899 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,240 that my kids are friends with are not aligned with my wife and 900 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,800 I on our own boundaries in education. 901 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,480 And then they come back into the house and of course they're 902 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,800 citing their other friends that are using these things. 903 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,560 And I have to try to explain. So people listening, please get 904 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,240 get, get, get. Better with this stuff. 905 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,440 You mentioned screen time earlier. 906 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,680 I'm sensing that maybe there's not a hard and fast rule, but as 907 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,080 best you could, do you have any guidelines or recommendations, 908 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,760 maybe by age for kids, like how much time they should be 909 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,000 spending in these platforms or with technology in general? 910 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,720 I think. That it's important to note that 911 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,640 not all screen time is created equal, right? 912 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,640 And so I think when we a few years ago there was these the 913 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,280 kind of hard guidelines of, you know, no more than two hours a 914 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,840 day or no more than three hours a day. 915 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,480 Well, you know, now that kids are 2026 and in classrooms, kids 916 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000 are mostly relying on laptops or different forms of, you know, 917 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,200 digital technology. So that in and of itself, they 918 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,840 could leave school one day and have, you know, 5 or 6 hours 919 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 worth of screen time. But this is, you know, educated 920 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,560 screen time. And so we really like to say 921 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,640 that, you know, when kids are younger, the screen time should 922 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,040 mostly always be monitored, right? 923 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,040 So when they're at their toddler age, And this is because, you 924 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,600 know, a child's mind is still forming and you can't just give 925 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,120 them an iPad and, you know, let them go off and do what they 926 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,840 want, right. When you set these boundaries 927 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,640 earlier, a child is going to carry them into adulthood. 928 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,960 We like to say that, you know, starting around 7:00 or 8:00, 929 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,760 that's kind of when a child gets their their training wheels. 930 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,160 And so, you know, maybe you have conversations with them about 931 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,840 letting them have some of these gaming apps, but making sure 932 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,640 again, they're using parental controls and that screen time 933 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,080 doesn't become something that replaces other activities. 934 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,080 That's one of the most important things that we like to tell 935 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,040 people because if a child, child uses their iPad instead of, you 936 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,640 know, going out to play or doing some type of sport, you know, 937 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,040 that's when screen time starts to become detrimental. 938 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,680 And then I think for teens, screen time is really something 939 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,880 that you have to monitor their emotional state and their 940 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,120 emotional behavior. And so if you see that screen 941 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,760 time or, you know, being on TikTok or, you know, Instagram 942 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400 is starting to have a negative impact, you know, maybe they're 943 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,320 leaning more into comparison or they're seeing content that's 944 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,800 making them feel angry or hyper political. 945 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,240 That's when the screen time discussion needs to be had 946 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,000 because clearly it's not providing them with a positive, 947 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,560 it's it's landing in a negative. Yeah, and it sounds like it all 948 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,440 comes back to parents being intentional and aware and 949 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,440 attuned with their kid in order to even pick up on those things. 950 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,480 I'm going to have some fun here with you now, if you're willing. 951 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,640 It's funny. Yeah. 952 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000 It's funny in that I just love to see my guests kind of think 953 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,760 they're these things. But I always love to before I go 954 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,760 into a little bit more on like where parents can get involved 955 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,760 with and learn from foci. I'd love to close with a rapid 956 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,680 fire, if that's OK. So as you can and and getting to 957 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,000 know you here over the last hour I I'm. 958 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,840 Sensing that some of these questions you may answer 959 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,440 broadly, but we'll. See how it goes. 960 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,080 But here's rapid fire for Kaylin, right? 961 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,640 So first one, should kids have smartphones before high school? 962 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,560 It. Depends on the circumstance of 963 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,240 the family and the maturity of the child. 964 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,200 So I can't give a hard answer to that one. 965 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,800 But if it works for your family, yes. 966 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,400 If it doesn't, then no. OK. 967 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,080 Fair enough. Next one. 968 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,880 At what age should kids get social media? 969 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,360 Is it going to be? It depends, you know. 970 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:18,600 I would say it should be minimum 13 but no younger than 13 971 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,280 because that's the baseline where a lot of these social 972 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,400 platforms have team specific accounts. 973 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,440 So anything younger is inappropriate. 974 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,880 I would say what is? That fifth grade, 6th grade, 975 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,760 typically in America, I think it's a little. 976 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,920 I think it's like 7th, 7th. Grade. 977 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,320 OK, I think it's a. Little Yeah, so. 13 love it. 978 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,600 One thing you wish every parent knew about online safety. 979 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,360 If you had to pick one, I. Would say that open 980 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,560 communication and conversations are the most important part of 981 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,280 online safety and that what reflects in the reality real 982 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,080 world is going to reflect in the digital world. 983 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,600 Got. It and last one, what is the 984 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,080 biggest mistakes that you commonly see parents make when 985 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,720 it comes to technology for their kids? 986 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,160 Paris. Provide their kids with devices 987 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,360 and apps without doing the research beforehand and then 988 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,200 that leads to not positive consequences. 989 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,160 Yeah. A little bit of laziness or 990 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,560 ignorance or whatever it is awesome. 991 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,960 Thanks for humoring me there. Great answers there, I really 992 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,080 appreciate it. This has been this has been 993 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,360 awesome. I've learned a lot. 994 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,360 I hope everyone listening has learned a lot. 995 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,960 Where can people learn more from foci and are there any 996 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,880 particular resources that you would want to point parents or 997 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,120 anyone really that wants to learn more toward? 998 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,680 Absolutely. So we have a website which is 999 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,560 kind of home to all of our resources at foci.org and I 1000 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,440 would recommend two places on our website. 1001 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,800 I know that throughout this conversation, I've noted a 1002 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,320 little bit of our research. So if you go to our website and 1003 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,040 click the research tab, you can have access to all of our recent 1004 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,000 research on GIN, AI and phone bands if you'd like to learn 1005 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,880 more. And then under our parenting 1006 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,040 tab, I would suggest the Seven steps to go digital parenting 1007 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,160 because it's a great foundation. If you're new to online safety 1008 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,280 or just looking to learn a little bit more about it, those 1009 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,840 are great places to start. Awesome. 1010 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,080 And you have you have an Instagram account yourself or is 1011 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,760 fosi on social media Fosi? Is on social media. 1012 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,440 Yep, we're on all platforms, either FOSI or family online 1013 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,880 Safety Institute so you can find us on LinkedIn and scram TikTok 1014 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,880 threads and all those good thoughts. 1015 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,280 Awesome. And I will grab all of the links 1016 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,080 here that Caitlin mentioned. I'll put them in the episode 1017 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,240 description for people listening. 1018 00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,240 You can just Scroll down and click on them and make it easier 1019 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,640 for you. Caitlin, this is a exactly what 1020 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,200 I hoped it would be and more and I'm so grateful that you came on 1021 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,600 the show. Thank you. 1022 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,120 It was so great speaking with you. 1023 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,120 I hope I was ever able to teach everyone a little bit about 1024 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,560 online safety. I know it's not the most 1025 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,600 glamorous topic, but it's been great. 1026 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,800 Yeah, really. You certainly did. 1027 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,320 Thank you so much, Kaylin, Pete, everybody. 1028 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,920 Well, thanks for listening to that conversation with Kaylin. 1029 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,680 I certainly hope it was helpful and informative and inspired 1030 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,080 you, especially if you're a parent. 1031 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,400 To take a. More active role, being 1032 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,520 attentional and attuned with your children, especially if you 1033 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,280 are giving them this technology. Just some of my, I think most 1034 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,920 important takeaways there that I learned with her. 1035 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,240 Number one is that it all comes down to the parents. 1036 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,360 I asked her that question in the episode How much of the 1037 00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,280 responsibility goes to the parents versus the tech 1038 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,680 platforms? And she didn't give an exact 1039 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,480 percentage, but she kept coming back to the fact that as 1040 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,000 parents, if we are going to introduce the technology, we 1041 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,600 have to be informed and we have to monitor the usage to keep 1042 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,280 them safe. So I think parental involvement 1043 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,040 was probably the number one take away that I had from that 1044 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,520 episode. I think if I had to pick another 1045 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,600 one, it would be that. And and this was something that 1046 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,120 I kind of wrestled with within the interview. 1047 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,120 But there are benefits to these technologies, right? 1048 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,560 I'm as a parent, I quickly jumped to like, the worst case 1049 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,560 scenario, is my child going to become isolated, depressed? 1050 00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,640 Am I giving access to my child to people who would do her harm? 1051 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,280 And I think there's potential benefits in these technologies. 1052 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,560 And I think another take away is that I was really appreciative 1053 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,160 that Caitlin gave sort of a hard and fast answer when I asked 1054 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,600 her, you know, at what age should kids be on social media? 1055 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,640 And she said quickly, 13, right? Like no younger than 13. 1056 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,240 I love the black and white answer. 1057 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,960 Of course, that could be case by case. 1058 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,040 You may delay it even further. Personally, I'm not letting my 1059 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,680 kids touch social media until they're 18. 1060 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,920 That's just my personal stance. But I love that she she gave 1061 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,880 that answer of 13. And then lastly, I just think 1062 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,400 that, you know, it's pretty clear that not every tech 1063 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,560 company is taking this. As. 1064 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,520 Seriously. Meaning that there are some tech 1065 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,280 companies that are leaning in with foci, taking their 1066 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,960 consultation and implementing those, you know, suggestions to 1067 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,400 keep their platform safe and then others are not. 1068 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,880 So again, it comes down to the parent to do that research and 1069 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,480 figure out what is what. So again, just an awesome 1070 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,880 conversation with Kaylin. You can Scroll down and I'm 1071 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,640 going to link to all of the resources that she mentioned. 1072 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,600 And before we part ways, I have to ask if you could, if you're 1073 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,560 listening to this right now and you haven't followed us yet. 1074 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,800 Wherever you found us, we would absolutely love it if you could 1075 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,320 follow our show. We love seeing ratings and 1076 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,480 reviews. If you want to get in touch with 1077 00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,960 us, you can always e-mail us at contact@strongerweekly.com. 1078 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,840 againthatscontact@strongerweekly.com. We love hearing from our fans 1079 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,920 and listeners. You can ask us a question which 1080 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,080 could wind up on the show or even influencing a topic for the 1081 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,760 show. Just give us feedback. 1082 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920 Tell us you hate us. You love us, whatever it is. 1083 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,920 We just love hearing from MU. And lastly, if you think that 1084 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,320 this show or this episode could benefit someone, you know, we 1085 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,560 would just love it if you could share it with them because if 1086 00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,760 you do those things, it just gives us more of a shot to find 1087 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,840 more people so that we can help them grow stronger weekly. 1088 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,160 So thanks so much for Kaylin joining the show. 1089 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:51,960 Thanks for Foci for the work that you're doing. 1090 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,200 Thanks for everybody that tuned in. 1091 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,200 We really appreciate you spending some time with us and 1092 00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,000 we will see you next week. Be strong.