1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,000 Welcome back everyone. I am Cass PNC and I'm joined as 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,040 usual by my partner in crime, Mr. Bennett Tomlin. 3 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:11,880 How are you? Oh, I'm here. 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,200 Yeah, same. How are you? 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,000 I'm here. We are going to talk once again 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:21,680 about Elon Musk, one of our favorite topics. 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,800 We're just a huge, huge, huge fans of his and our our most 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,960 popular, our most popular episode ever is thanks to him. 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,720 So we have a lot of reasons to be quite grateful to Mr. Musk, 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,960 as do everybody. Everyone in the world really 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,920 should be thanking him, particularly a group of 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,720 individuals who are now going to be living in his personal 13 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,920 fiefdom in Texas. So we're going to be talking 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,520 today about his new star base city, which is located directly 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:03,040 next to the rocket pad for his for his SpaceX bullshit in 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,680 Texas. So he's starting his own city. 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,560 And we've talked about, we've talked about this before. 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:18,680 We've talked about company towns and how they generally don't 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,320 work out. We had a a whole episode in our 20 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:25,400 Protos podcast Innovative Blockchain City about it. 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:32,120 We specifically talked about how even the good company towns went 22 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,440 ended up failing eventually because the companies fail. 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,080 So the idea of, of company towns in general is just a bad idea. 24 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:44,520 But it, it is SpaceX and it is Elon Musk, and none of the other 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,360 company towns have ever been tried by the wealthiest people 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,880 of the generation, right? That's never happened before. 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,440 Bennett, can you talk a little bit about the Starbase idea, 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,960 why, why they're doing it and what it means, what it means 29 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,120 for, I don't know, for SpaceX, for Texas, for, for. 30 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,120 All of it. As more and more of Elon Musk's 31 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,680 kids turn away from him, he's trying to find more and more 32 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,520 places where he can retain power and demand people's love. 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,720 And so he hopes being the father of a new city in Texas will give 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,000 him an opportunity to do that. And so he was able to convince 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,520 the citizens in this area, in this county in Texas near the 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,960 SpaceX base, basically all SpaceX employees who live in 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,280 this area to agree to incorporate a new city. 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,400 This city has elected a mayor from, ran unopposed along with a 39 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,240 couple of City Council members. And now it's a full city in 40 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,360 Texas with all the things that cities can do. 41 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,960 And the benefit, of course, for Elon Musk here is that that 42 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,240 means the initial level of administration and bureaucracy 43 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,760 and oversight above him is going to be people picked by SpaceX 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,320 employees and things like that. And the reason this is important 45 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,840 is for the same reason that all company towns are important. 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:02,440 You are already incredibly dependent on your company. 47 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,160 They pay your salary. They probably pay for a large 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,720 portion of your healthcare. So much of your livelihood in 49 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,680 this capitalist economy is dependent on your ongoing 50 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,280 relationship with capital embodied in the company you work 51 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,640 for. Living in a town either directly 52 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,240 or effectively under control of that company compounds that 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,080 risk. And this becomes even more true 54 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,480 in cases where like that company explicitly controls like the 55 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,440 shops or schools or things like that in that town, which it's 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,480 not clear that SpaceX is going to like run the town grocery 57 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:42,880 store or anything like that, I think. 58 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,160 Elon Musk, I think Elon Musk already controls the school 59 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,120 system in that area. Like I think he's already built 60 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,880 up his his private so. He has Ad Astra, which I thought 61 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,120 was a private school, which wasn't necessarily open to all 62 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,120 the students in this area. So yeah, someday we should do a 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,760 whole episode on Ad Astra because there's some crazy 64 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,760 things around there. But yeah, it's a it's a crazy 65 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,960 story. So yeah, the problem here is 66 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,520 that these individuals, even though they voted for it, even 67 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,560 though they support it, even though they work for SpaceX, are 68 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,640 still potentially exacerbating their own potential 69 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,240 exploitation. Now, whether or not you as a 70 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,720 listener should care about the exploitation of SpaceX engineers 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,080 who voted for this is a separate question, but they know. 72 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,800 More importantly, it demonstrates that many of this 73 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,400 generations era of techno capitalists intend to play out 74 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,400 many of those same patterns. They want control now, not just 75 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,520 over the Capitol, but over the explicit levers of power. 76 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 That's why Elon Musk bought a presidency. 77 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,680 That's why they're all trying to, like, get their hands dirty 78 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,240 in politics now. And that's why he wanted his own 79 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,920 city, because they've realized that the influence money bought 80 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,000 was still not the explicit control they wanted. 81 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,920 And I want to point this out too, which is, which is 82 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,640 interesting because I, I know what before we jumped on right 83 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,880 now, we discussed the idea. He, you know, Bennett was saying 84 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,480 like, Oh, yeah, well, this is, you know, worker exploitation is 85 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,120 what happens in company towns. And I said, yeah, it happens 86 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,000 when you have like, essentially unskilled labor. 87 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:19,960 But then I thought about it just now a little bit more. 88 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,160 And it's like one of the interesting things that Elon 89 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:28,280 Musk has done is by creating DOGE and getting a bunch of NASA 90 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:31,360 employees fired, Shrinking, NASA shrinking. 91 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,720 Like he's working to dismantle government funded space 92 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,040 exploration. And then I'm I might be wrong. 93 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,400 Like how many jobs out there for rocket scientists are there? 94 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,000 If you can't work for SpaceX in America and NASA is shrinking, 95 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 how many how much of A job market is there for you? 96 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,200 I don't actually know. There might not be that much of 97 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,440 one, in which case you're right. Like they do have to kind of 98 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,920 vote for it because they don't want Elon Musk to find out they 99 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,400 voted no. They don't want to get fired for 100 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,760 voting against the star based city Like you. 101 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,640 You might in fact be very correct in that I I might be 102 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,720 wrong. They seem like they have a 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,200 specialty. They're engineers, They're 104 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,960 they're scientists. But maybe there's not that much 105 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,280 of A demand or a high, like maybe I'm wrong very much. 106 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,920 Before we started this call, we were also talking about another 107 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,000 book we've both read Palo Alto by Malcolm Harris. 108 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,760 And one of the periods discussed in that book is kind of like as 109 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,640 the Cold War is coming a bit to a close, as the missile race at 110 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,320 least is coming to a bit too close. 111 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 As we're sure we're that a bunch of the people involved in the 112 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,040 production of like missiles and stuff in Palo Alto got laid off. 113 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,360 And they had previously been these high earners in these 114 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,880 relative positions of respect within the Palo Alto defense 115 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,440 industry. And those jobs just ceased to 116 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,080 exist, right? Like there was there was number 117 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,200 new missile factory you could go to because we were no longer 118 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,120 ordering that many missiles, right. 119 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,680 Luckily, the War on Terror brought back a lot of 120 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,600 contractors who would have otherwise never recovered. 121 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:08,080 Thank God. But like there are cases where 122 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,920 like the ground materially changes and there is nowhere 123 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,840 else you can go. And sure, you can say Blue 124 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,440 Origin, but Blue Origin launches what, 1 1/2% as many rockets as 125 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,080 SpaceX or something like the the pure amount of material being 126 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,760 moved in, the pure number of people needed to like refurbish, 127 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 recreate and whatever that material is obviously going to 128 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,200 be different. Yeah, yeah, I, I genuinely 129 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,000 hadn't hadn't considered. I was like, you know, rocket 130 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,360 scientists and and engineers are like the least like, why would I 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,880 worry about their next paycheck? But now that I reflect on it, 132 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,920 I'm like, maybe I should be more concerned about. 133 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,760 That's not fair. So I you know, it is true and it 134 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,440 is it's disappointing and we're seeing it more and more. 135 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,200 You know, we've seen California forever pop up as a concept, 136 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,280 which is clearly just Silicon Valley venture capitalist being 137 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,560 like, let's have this little sector where we can all just 138 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,240 keep our employees, keep our people, keep our partners 139 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,400 secluded from the outside world. We have like there's all these 140 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,280 different. We have the one in where was it 141 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Nicaragua that a 16. Zero in Honduras. 142 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Honduras, right in Honduras, Well, so. 143 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,880 Sorry, this is the next one I was going to bring up. 144 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,600 There was reporting from Wired in March of this year that the 145 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,000 Prospera people as well as a bunch of the other, like, 146 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,280 startup cities, that's what they call themselves, these new 147 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,800 company towns were meeting with Trump to specifically push for 148 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,960 American regulations, kind of like the qualified economic zone 149 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,440 we talked about when it came to paint a drag smart city. 150 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,679 But that even more so, like, exempted it from searching 151 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,400 federal regulations and approval things and things like that so 152 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,840 that someone like Prospera could come up and start a new city in 153 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,040 the United States, exempt from a bunch of laws and create their 154 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,680 own and stuff. And that is the explicit pitch 155 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,160 that people are giving to Trump. And, you know, if they buy 156 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,280 enough Trump coin, they can do it over dinner. 157 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Yeah, in a possibly corrupt way. I guess the basic fact of the 158 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:04,720 matter is, is similar to the Trump coin and the lack of 159 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,120 financial disclosures and the lack of transparency with this 160 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,440 administration, You, you go, why would they do that, right? 161 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:14,840 Why would they shut off all of these? 162 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,280 It's because they're doing something weird back there. 163 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,560 Who knows what it is, but they're doing something that 164 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:20,960 they don't want other people to see. 165 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,840 Why is Elon Musk feeling like it's super necessary for him to 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,400 control his own city? I mean, ask yourself, right, 167 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,920 Like, why? Because he wants to get away 168 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,960 with shit that he can't get. He can't get away. 169 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,720 Yeah. Ask Eric Roche, who we've had on 170 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,240 and basically knew this was coming. 171 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:45,000 Very disappointed with Pete Buttigieg and his inability to 172 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,160 rein in Elon Musk while he was working under Biden. 173 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,480 And very disappointed with Democrats in general with how 174 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,600 they're treating Elon Musk and Donald Trump. 175 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,720 They should definitely be like, I don't know, if you can't push 176 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,480 back against this shit, I don't know what the fuck you're doing. 177 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,680 So yeah, they should be pushing back against it. 178 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,440 Starbase is going to be bad. It's going to be bad for 179 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,080 everybody. And ultimately, when or if, I 180 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,840 guess I should say, if Elon Musk does face some form of justice 181 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,800 for the crazy shit that he's done over the past half year, 182 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,280 like, what happens, right? What happens to these places? 183 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,120 What happens to Starbase? What happens to the SpaceX 184 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,960 places? And I suspect they're polluted. 185 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,320 I suspect there's issues with them. 186 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Who's going to clean up? Who's going to take care? 187 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Of it, What happens to this town if three years from now every 188 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,080 contract awarded during this administration is put under 189 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,800 review, investigated, challenged by Congress, things like that, 190 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,160 and suddenly SpaceX is like expected revenue or stuff like 191 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,080 that is by 3/4, you know? It's OK they. 192 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Just. He'll just raise from Chinese 193 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,760 investors and Russian investors again and be OK right? 194 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Start Elon coin or whatever the fuck. 195 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,040 I mean, maybe and like just broadly, what I want people to 196 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,240 understand is that there are basically zero economic problems 197 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,920 that have resulted from Elon Musk being too restrained for 198 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,000 the like. Never have we come up in a 199 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,680 situation where we're like, oh, damn, we could have solved this 200 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:20,200 if we just took those damn, like, leash off Elon Musk and 201 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,480 let him go wild. And I think even like an 202 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,120 example, Doctor William K Black in his book The Best Way to Rob 203 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,960 a Bank Is to Own One about the SNL crisis, talks about how when 204 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Gray initially came into the thrift supervision board, I 205 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,440 think it was he had to start reregulating. 206 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,440 And that had he not to be regulated and started to put 207 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480 some limits on these high Flyers, which was very, very, 208 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,480 very, very, very controversial at the time with many people 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,120 saying doing this is going to be like this limit that's going to 210 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,520 destroy things. It is likely that like the SNL 211 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,800 crisis would have continued to compound until it was like a 212 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,960 multi trillion dollar problem, like potentially like a United 213 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,920 States and global economy devastating event. 214 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,760 And so, like, removing these restrictions can sometimes be 215 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,040 helpful, but it needs to be done very thoughtfully, very 216 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,720 carefully, and not because Elon Musk said so. 217 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Yeah, there's there. Look, there's arguments to be 218 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,400 made about like how we zone for housing, how we zone for 219 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,280 commercial, how like if we want to talk about zoning and YIMBY 220 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,280 ISM and, and NIMBY ISM and all of the, all of these different 221 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:31,400 concepts of like how to build and where to build and why 222 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,520 regulation needs to be there or not, that's fine. 223 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:44,360 I think, I think when you're just mass deleting all forms of 224 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,080 regulation, that that is a real issue. 225 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,600 And that is like that is what these guys want. 226 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,800 They don't, they don't care about figuring out the right way 227 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,240 to go about it. They, they care about how 228 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,880 they're going to benefit the most from it. 229 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,960 It's always about them. It's never about pushing they 230 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,160 they they'll claim it is, but it's never about action. 231 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,040 We should never be even thinking about going to like Mars. 232 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,160 That like everyone, anyone who knows about this stuff far more 233 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,840 than I do will tell you we can't even, we can't even terraform 234 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,800 Antarctica. Why would we go terraform Mars? 235 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,480 It just doesn't make any sense at all. 236 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,960 And I, I, I buy that. I think that's correct. 237 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,480 I think that's the right take. But yeah, that's. 238 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:30,680 Obviously Correct. Right. 239 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:34,320 Terraforming Mars is at least two orders of magnitude harder 240 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,400 than terraforming Earth. And we haven't figured out how 241 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,080 to terraform Earth yet. And so, like, the only way to 242 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,360 live on Mars really for at least several centuries as you wait 243 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,680 for certain processes to kick off is to, like, live inside 244 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:49,320 bases and things like that. And that is not what Elon Musk 245 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,120 tends to describe in his visions. 246 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,960 Yeah. And just like we talk about this 247 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,560 sometimes with Bitcoiners, they like to pretend they're joking 248 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:02,200 when they say that the reason they want Bitcoin is so they can 249 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,600 get into the Bitcoin citadel's. But there is actually techno 250 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,800 feudalism at the heart of a lot of these people's beliefs, at 251 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,920 the heart of like Elon Musk and Peter Teals and Curtis Yarvin. 252 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,640 In these people's belief, they really do fundamentally believe 253 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,040 they are better than you, that they deserve more than you, and 254 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:24,440 that they specifically should be given power over you in a way 255 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,040 that you cannot reverse. That is like their truest, 256 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,440 deepest beliefs. Yeah, and you know, clearly Elon 257 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,720 Musk is not alone in his star based dreams like that. 258 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,640 They they all want to do something along these lines, 259 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,760 maybe to bigger or lesser, like bigger or lesser degrees. 260 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,080 They all seem to want to do something wild like this, which 261 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,200 I've criticized this before, but generally when you just get so 262 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:53,800 much money that you never have to think about it ever again in 263 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,560 any real sense of the word, you start having these psychotic 264 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:04,480 concepts of what is okay. They are all building bunkers 265 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,720 across the globe. They're all like Mark Zuckerberg 266 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,360 the the shit. Have you seen him on these 267 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,400 podcasts? He's like talking about his 268 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,120 tunnel in under his house in Hawaii, but then he keeps when 269 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,000 it depending on who he's talking to, it completely changes and 270 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,840 then he shows it and there's a fucking movie theater underneath 271 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,840 it. And like I you, you have a 272 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,760 bunker in Hawaii, dude. You do not It is not a tunnel. 273 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,000 You know, like and Sam Altman has a bunker. 274 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Elon Musk has a These guys all have bunkers somewhere. 275 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Several. Of them have multiple bunkers. 276 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,400 Bunkers Teal has his bunker in New. 277 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,280 Zealand island trees. They they all do it. 278 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,680 They're all super fearful. And I think that goes back to 279 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:45,720 this idea of like, what are they fearful of? 280 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,480 I'll tell you. And it's us. 281 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,960 It's just normal ass people. That's who they're afraid of. 282 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,760 They cannot relate to us. They don't understand what it's 283 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,000 like to be a normal fucking human being who doesn't simply 284 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,760 want more money all the time. Like, I think we all do want 285 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,680 more money, but it's not our main concern. 286 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,560 So I like, yeah, I don't know. Everything about this is sad and 287 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,760 troubling, but also the path that we're obviously going 288 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,760 towards Star base is gonna get built. 289 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,320 It's gonna happen. There's gonna be this, whatever 290 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,720 Elon Musk fucking city now. But I've heard they're gonna use 291 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,320 cast coin.