1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Welcome back everyone. I am Cass PNC. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,240 I'm joined, as usual, by my partner in crime, Mr. Bennett 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:10,840 Tomlin. How are? 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:11,760 You. I'm doing well. 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,040 How are you, Cass? I'm good. 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,520 We're talking about favorite person again, who we just can't 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,520 get enough of, Justin. Sun, get enough of us. 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:28,360 I'm sure I know he's a huge fan. Justin Sun, who created Tron and 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,480 bunch of stable coins bought bought some cryptocurrency 10 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:40,000 exchanges and is known as as as one of the wealthiest 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,040 cryptocurrency guys. We over at Protos have been 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,800 reporting on him lately and noticing some significant issues 13 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:54,040 with some of the projects that he's deeply intertwined with. 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,800 So I am going to turn it over to you, Bennett, where you can get 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,800 us started. I think probably the best place 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,360 to start is with Polonia X. Sure we can start with Polonia X 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,920 Polonia X is like the classic cryptocurrency shit coin trading 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,680 exchange. They used to even have like an 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,400 open chat box where all the shit coin to gens could like make 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,800 comments at each other while they were trading. 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,480 At one point it was bought by Circle and then it was bought by 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,400 Justin Sun, and since then it has gotten even worse. 23 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,400 At one point Justin promised that they were going to do a 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,040 proof of reserves to prove they were solvent. 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,680 That never happened for reasons which I think will become clear. 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,120 And since then there have been some other issues, one of which 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,480 involves a product called Wrapped Bitcoin on Tron. 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,000 Polonia X offers this product which allows people to get a 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,560 version of Bitcoin on Tron. The problem is Polonius won't 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,320 tell us where the bitcoins fit this product are held. 31 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,280 Sorry, sorry, sorry that I don't think that's like an accurate 32 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,240 enough description of what wrapped Bitcoin is necessarily 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,960 like. I think it would be nice for us 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,360 to help people understand in case they're unfamiliar with 35 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,600 cryptocurrency in general. Sure, Wrapped Bitcoin. 36 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,400 How it's supposed to work is you send your Bitcoin to a certain 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,440 address and you get a corresponding token on another 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,080 chain that's meant to represent that Bitcoin. 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,200 There's a common and very popular version of this on 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,920 Etherium that openly publishes like the addresses the Bitcoin 41 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,600 and stuff are stored in. Why would anyone want to do 42 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,720 that? Because they want to use Bitcoin 43 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,600 in Defy, right? Interact with various smart 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,440 contracts on the chain on Etherium generally or in this 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,200 case on Tron. So if you want to use Bitcoin in 46 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,400 a lending protocol or something like that on Tron, you got to 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,880 wrap it first and the most popular wrapper on Tron is this 48 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,160 one offered by Poloniux. But the problems like we said 49 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,760 our Polo won't tell you where the Bitcoin are Polo delisted 50 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,760 this asset it's not clear that any user can currently issue or 51 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,840 redeem this asset via Poloniux. Oh, and then Justin sends other 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,280 exchange HTX formally will be over half the Bitcoin on that 53 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,280 exchange. Is this version of Bitcoin over 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,720 on a Justin Sun connected just lend a Tron lending platform. 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,440 There are billions. There's like a huge portion of 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,560 this Bitcoin as well, making up the a big chunk of that. 57 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,200 And so Justin Sun has this Bitcoin product, but we don't 58 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,360 know if there's actually bitcoins that go with it. 59 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:34,040 And it makes up a huge portion of HT XS reserves. 60 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,400 And we don't know how much of Polonia XS reserves it makes up 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,720 because they still haven't done their proof of reserves. 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,000 That's one of the problems in Justin Sun's empire right now. 63 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,120 There are others, including the fact that USD is algorithmic 64 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,080 stable coin which was originally supposed to be a rip off of 65 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Terra but like hasn't actually gotten to the point Terra was 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,000 ever at that one. There appears to only be 1 user. 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,280 Well, currently a bunch of the reserves for that coin, which 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,040 are presumably controlled by the Trondow reserve are for some 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,400 reason held at HTX and included in the HTX proof of reserves, 70 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,320 which kind of seems like you're double counting there, Justin, 71 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,079 kind of seems like you're putting money in two places. 72 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,680 Then we have the other stable coin that Justin's son probably 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,480 owns and we have to say probably because he keeps denying it 74 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,800 despite the large amount of evidence. 75 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,480 True USD, True USD has recently seen its market cap collapse 76 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,560 from like 3.5 billion to 450 million, losing like over 3 77 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,840 billion in the span of like a month and so Polonia X won't 78 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,040 show its reserves. HT XS reserves are fucked to 79 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,520 hell. There's a whole bunch of shit 80 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,720 going on with like the wobe Dow being converted to some new 81 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,000 token thing where he's trying to like screw over old token 82 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,040 holders for the old wobe whatever thing that never should 83 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,480 have existed in the 1st place. True USD his stable coin has 84 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,360 been like gutted and like they're not storing money at one 85 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,840 of their banks anymore. They still haven't fixed the 86 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,760 issues with their Swiss bank and like so this huge portion of 87 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,680 Justin Sons empire looks plausibly insolvent and Justin 88 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Sun no longer even has diplomatic immunity to help him 89 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:16,680 get out of it. Yeah. 90 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,680 That was the other story that we we reported over at Protos was 91 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,480 that Justin Sun, who in addition to all of the stuff that you've 92 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,760 just heard, had to settle a court case in San Francisco. 93 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,520 He was under arbitration. It's not clear what the 94 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,840 settlement was for, but one of the claims that Justin Sun made 95 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:41,280 in this case repeatedly was that he had diplomatic immunity from 96 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:47,840 this lawsuit because he was not only the permanent 97 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,080 representative and ambassador to the World Trade Organization for 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,320 Granada, he was also the in chart like the ambassador for 99 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,360 technology and emerging like emerging innovation for Granada 100 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,600 to the United Nations. And so he believed that the 101 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,040 United Nations, I, I don't know if it if he actually believed 102 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,240 this. I have no idea what lawyers he's 103 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,880 speaking with or what. Grenada, Grenada, I guess I'm 104 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,120 saying it wrong. Grenada told him when he 105 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,560 received these. But I can I can tell you that 106 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,600 the UN says that diplomatic immunity does not apply 107 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:26,720 retroactively. So there was no way that he was 108 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,400 covered for this court case, regardless of whether it was for 109 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,280 the UN. And then we've previously 110 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,680 reported that the World Trade Organization ambassadorship that 111 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,280 he had is only good when he's on a mission in Switzerland. 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,720 So any other time when he was in any other place or not on a 113 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,600 mission, which is also quite common. 114 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,360 The UN said this as well, that unless they're on a mission, 115 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,760 generally they don't have diplomatic immunity at all. 116 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,920 It is actually, I don't think people think you're like granted 117 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,000 diplomatic immunity and it just applies all the time and for 118 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,240 anything. And that is definitely not the 119 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:02,760 case. It certainly was not the case 120 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,960 with Justin Sun. And yeah, it seems very clear 121 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,160 that he did get this special citizenship from Grenada 122 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,040 specifically because he thought it would give him diplomatic 123 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,560 immunity, which it didn't. So we don't, we know that he 124 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,080 lost those posts. We don't know what his 125 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,040 citizenship status is in Grenada or I, I believe he's in 126 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,400 Singapore, but I, I, who, who knows, Who knows what's going on 127 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,400 with him? It's a lot of little messes, but 128 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,160 it doesn't seem like anyone is too concerned about his, his 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,520 little empire. Maybe because it's so it's its 130 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,480 own little walled garden Perhaps. 131 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,920 Perhaps. And like, I think part of it is 132 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,400 that, like, he has such extensive control, despite him 133 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,440 pretending that Daos exist for some of these things, he has 134 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,720 such extensive control over so much of this. 135 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:57,560 And he has like a significant network of connections to 136 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,600 various people. Let me rephrase this. 137 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,160 You and I were talking about this recently. 138 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,560 Justin's son does have a significant pile of relatively 139 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,480 liquid coins and I think that has so far helped him paper over 140 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,640 a lot of other issues as they come up. 141 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,480 When USDD, for example, D pegs, he's able to bring it back to 142 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,240 peg. When there's issues with HTX, 143 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,760 he's able to send enough assets over there to keep withdrawals 144 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,640 open for some of these coins. And because he has this and my 145 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,520 guess is he also has other lenders and desks who are 146 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,200 extending him credit against the knowledge or against this pile 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,080 of somewhat liquid coins. And this gets into, I'm saying 148 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,520 liquid, they may not truly be like unencumbered liquid assets 149 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,120 he's supposed to be using in that way. 150 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,120 What I mean is he has assets he could easily sell in 151 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,800 cryptocurrency wallets he currently controls. 152 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,520 There may be other claims against them, but for now, 153 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,240 they're under his principal control. 154 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,880 And I think because of that, he's been able to kind of paper 155 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,000 it over. The other kind of wrinkled to 156 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,880 this and I think we talked about this a little bit when Boaz was 157 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:11,040 on is that Tron is is not significantly used in Tron is 158 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,960 far less significantly used in like the Western world, if you 159 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,880 want to call it that, right. Like trans major base of support 160 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:24,600 was far more in the East and many of like the issues over 161 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,760 there, even the ones that have been somewhat reported have not 162 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,280 seemed to have made their way into the like Western crypto 163 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,280 press in the same way. I remember when we were looking 164 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,080 at like the will be token shenanigans and stuff, Almost 165 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,520 all the people you could find like complaining and talking 166 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,320 about it. We're doing it like in Chinese, 167 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,160 not in English. And like that seemed to have 168 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,240 been the primary audience that was originally reached by the 169 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,920 token in that. And so I think that has somewhat 170 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,640 insulated Justin from the interest of the broader Western 171 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,760 crypto world. I will say that Tron is as much 172 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,000 as I, I think everything about it is a total shit show. 173 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,520 It is widely used in cryptocurrency, I think largely 174 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,600 just because it's quick. It's known as like a fast 175 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,120 cryptocurrency and that has created some sort of Moat for 176 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,080 it, though I would imagine we don't like you said, I like 177 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,480 there's all these Ethereum and Solana and all these other 178 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,160 whatever coins that are known for their defy usability. 179 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,760 I don't know if Tron has been able to build that out. 180 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,880 As much as Justin Sun pretends he has it it, it seems like it's 181 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:39,200 him who's building on Tron. And this gets to be kind of like 182 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,680 the wrinkle, right? Like you go and defy Lama and 183 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:46,320 you can see that Tron has a total value lot number that is 184 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,960 double Solana. Even BSc is still ahead of 185 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Solana, believe it or not. But then you hear that number 186 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,240 being 8 point, whatever billion or whatever and you go, oh, how 187 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,720 much of that is just Justin? Like if WBTC on just lend a loan 188 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,600 is over a billion dollars and we don't know that there's actually 189 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,120 bitcoins that go with it. Like what does that 8 billion 190 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,280 number actually mean or whatever, right. 191 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,200 And so you end up in like that makes it, in my opinion, also 192 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,280 harder to assess Tron in the grand scheme of things. 193 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,080 Well similar to Etherium I think most of the transactions that 194 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,600 are occurring tell me if I'm wrong, but most of the 195 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,680 transactions occurring fake or not are USDT are are tethered 196 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:34,800 transactions on on Tron right? I don't know, probably 197 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,880 especially with Justin doing some shenanigans with his staked 198 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:44,480 USDT, which like 99% we said was going to like entities connected 199 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,840 to him or whatever. And so again, this is and like 200 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,640 staked USDT, this other thing that's almost all going to 201 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,320 Justin makes up a big portion of the USDT reserves on HTX, 202 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,760 further contributing to our aforementioned likely 203 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,680 insolvency. Like this entire thing is an 204 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:05,640 interconnected insolvent mess that is like one indictment away 205 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,000 from a multi billion dollar collapse. 206 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Is there any real idea or threat or concept that Tron? 207 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,920 Like there could be the the chain could get destroyed that 208 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,080 that it could get shut down that all the validators and nodes 209 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,320 could get. Like is there any realistic idea 210 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,320 that that could happen with Tron? 211 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:29,520 So the largest staker on Tron seems to be Binance staking, 212 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,920 followed by something called Crypto Labs, which poke some of 213 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,920 these too hard and see who's behind them. 214 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,320 The third largest is Luganodes, which is Tether funded. 215 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Then you get to something called and that like this is the 216 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,120 problem is it's kind of hard to get into some of these. 217 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,800 Then you get like metaverse home, which I don't know who 218 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,920 that is. JD investment could be anyone. 219 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,760 Poloniak's Hey, we're back at Justin's Sun Intelligence Quant 220 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,400 could be anyone Crypto AI could be anyone who will be wallet. 221 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,840 Hey, we're back at Justin Sun, Tron Alliance, Justin Sun 222 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,640 Valkyrie Investments, Justin Sun Justin doesn't own Valkyrie. 223 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:11,560 He's just like 80% of their AUM. And so I am not sure I haven't 224 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:14,720 gone deep enough on like Tron's consensus algorithm. 225 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,640 And frankly, there's probably not very many people who have 226 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 who can like, accurately start to figure out what, like, how 227 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,800 secure is Tron? Really, here's something I'll 228 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,200 say. I don't think until I see any 229 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,320 government, I would. I would expect if any government 230 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,400 entity were to attack a blockchain, I, I don't know if 231 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,440 that's the right word, but take over, seize a blockchain. 232 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,320 I assume it would be the US, but until I see them do it, I I 233 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,280 really wouldn't expect them to do it. 234 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,280 I wouldn't expect them to put all that effort and energy into 235 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,240 something like that. I. 236 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Think you're right. I think that it is very unlikely 237 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,200 they would do that. Like you can already get all the 238 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,720 blockchain information without having to do that, right. 239 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,720 So it's not like doing that's giving you some secret insight. 240 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,320 And generally the government's going to prefer to go after like 241 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,120 registered entities with addresses and people and things 242 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,840 like that. And they're just going to like 243 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,240 if let's say, let's pretend, let's pretend the US government 244 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,480 decides we hate that people can transact and Tron. 245 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,480 You like, try to get Tron named as security. 246 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,720 You crack down on any exchange that lists it. 247 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,560 You go after financial service providers that are providing 248 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,640 like rails to Tron. You go after any like Tron nodes 249 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:27,880 and validators in the United States. 250 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,440 And you can do all those things without ever having to try to 251 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,000 like, take over. Tron, you know how you do all of 252 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,160 those things. You arrest Justin's son. 253 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,880 Which of? Course, we don't know that 254 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,640 that's what they're going to do. Oh no, I'm to be clear, I want 255 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,800 to make sure everyone understands. 256 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,720 I would never suggest that. I'm not, you know, I'm not 257 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,480 making any suggestions, questions about actual 258 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,560 criminality here. This isn't, this isn't court 259 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,800 anyway, you know, Justin, I want to, I just want to let you know, 260 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,840 I hope we're still invited to the Tron Christmas party. 261 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,800 We, we didn't mean anything bad by reporting on you and 262 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,840 everyone. If, if you want to see Justin, 263 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,560 come on the podcast. If you want to see him join us, 264 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,640 remember to hit that like and subscribe button because I, I, I 265 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,200 think Justin, I think we've reached out to him. 266 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,600 He's, he's interested, right? Oh almost definitely. 267 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,400 I'm sure he'll be on here any day. 268 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,000 Right after he answers some questions about why Polonia XD 269 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,280 listed WBTC. Yeah, I would love for him to 270 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,240 just come join us in studio, come to the US. 271 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,560 Just a nice little chat.