1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,240 Welcome back, everyone. I am Cass PNC. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,600 I'm joined as usual, by my partner in crime, Mr. Bennett 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:11,680 Tomlin. How are you today? 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:12,320 I'm. Doing well. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,680 How are you, Cass? I'm doing good. 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,640 Today, Bennett and I are talking about CZ, who was the CEO and 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:24,000 founder of Binance, the most liquid and volumous 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,960 cryptocurrency exchange in the world. 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,320 I think still. Right, yes, by far. 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,840 Which is kind of crazy because because of the things we're 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,760 going to talk about today, but the difference between what 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:42,160 happened to him, he just got tried and sentenced for what he 13 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:45,600 did at finance. So we're going to talk about 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,520 that, and we're going to talk about the difference between 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:54,080 that and what happened to SPF and what SPF was guilty of and 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,600 why he ended up getting a much longer sentence. 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,120 SPF, of course, being Sam Bankman Freed, who was the CEO 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,840 and founder of another cryptocurrency exchange, FX, and 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,320 a trading firm called Alameda Research. 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,120 But yeah, sorry for the long winded explanation there, but 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,840 Bennett, do you want to just kind of describe what happened 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,440 to CZ, what he is guilty of? CZ was actually not tried. 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,680 He pleaded guilty to violations of the Bank Secrecy Act and was 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,800 sentenced to four months in prison. 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,840 And for some people, this has been a jarring comparison to the 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,120 recent trial, conviction and sentencing of Sam Beckman Freed. 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,920 For those who missed our many previous episodes on the topic, 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,400 Sam Bankman Freed was convicted of seven felony accounts, 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,440 including wire fraud, conspiracy to commit a variety of different 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,280 types of fraud, securities fraud, commodities fraud. 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Oh, just about any kind of fraud he could get his hands on. 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,040 And Sam Bankman Freed was sentenced to 25 years in prison, 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,840 which is 75 times more than four months. 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,360 And some people don't feel that there's a 75 fold difference in 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,120 what these two people were doing. 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,000 That's kind of what we're looking at today. 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,000 What led to this drastic difference between these two 38 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,320 criminals and the time they'll spend repaying their debt to 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,360 society? I think it's worth pointing out 40 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,040 as far as we know I don't there's no confirmation of this 41 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:22,040 but as far as we know especially considering that Sambank and 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,560 Freed is still putting in appeals and trying to alter his 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,800 sentence and yeah he's desperately trying to get out of 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,440 of of what has happened. Now I think it's worth pointing 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,520 out that anything is possible we're seeing that with like 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,920 Harvey Weinstein right now unfortunately you never know 47 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:43,560 when an an appeal as unlikely as it may seem is going to work. 48 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,680 So we don't know what will happen with Sam Bank and creed. 49 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,520 What we what we can say for sure is that he was sentenced to 25 50 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,320 years. He had already done over a year 51 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,040 in prison by the time he was sentenced to that. 52 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,840 So that time is counted or time in jail. 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,000 Sorry. So that time is counted. 54 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,640 We also believe that he will be eligible for a program that will 55 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:11,240 get him likely if he behaves himself in federal prison out 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,280 after serving roughly 50% of his sentence though something like 57 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,600 11-12 years. Which is still a long time, 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,360 especially if you spend a lot of it at MDC because you're 59 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,440 desperately appealing. Sure. 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,720 I yeah that I mean that's yes, that's wild. 61 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,320 But I will say that it is a very long time. 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,720 I do understand why people would prefer if there was kind of an 63 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,400 exemption considering how many people he hurt because SPF 64 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,840 through his malfeasance did did hurt a lot of people. 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Can you just let's let's talk about that? 66 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,520 Because that that that's really at the heart of why he was given 67 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,320 such a strong sentence along with his lack of remorse and 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,360 cooperation. So let's discuss all of that. 69 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,880 Yeah, And I think this this gets at the bulk of why their 70 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,720 sentences are so different. And we'll get into the 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,240 cooperation and general ability to handle a crisis, which also 72 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,440 contributed. But like Sam Bankman, Freed 73 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,520 embezzled somewhere in the range from 8 to $11 billion in assets 74 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,880 from FTX, leaving it massively insolvent and therefore meaning 75 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,400 that like, the entire thing just collapsed. 76 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:28,200 As far as we know, Binance never had an 8 to $11 billion hole in 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,280 its books, and none of the criminal charges brought against 78 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,240 Chang pens out are about having a hole in the books. 79 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:38,240 They're primarily about Binance's deliberate choice to 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,120 not maintain a compliance program in order to increase 81 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,720 their volume and things like that. 82 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:47,480 Having said that, I do want to note that we've discussed on 83 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,960 here before that finance accounting has problems. 84 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,280 That suggests at times they may have been double counting 85 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,480 certain assets and other things that suggest there may have been 86 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,120 some problems, but they were never on the scale of 8 to 11 87 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,680 billion and they never caused the exchange to shut down 88 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,800 withdrawals and collapse into bankruptcy. 89 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,800 And that's the real kicker here, right? 90 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,560 Is that regardless of whatever else CZ was doing, finance did 91 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,400 not collapse into a messy bankruptcy, hurting like, tons 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,560 and tons of people. And now I want to get into 93 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,680 something because because yes, that's all of that is, as far as 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,880 we know that's accurate. I mean, we have no, we have no. 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,960 Like you said, we don't know what the books actually look 96 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,520 like for Binance. Very few people would, but. 97 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,960 I think even the CFO, if you remember one episode when I was 98 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,680 out visiting you. Yeah, exactly. 99 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,840 And and this is kind of what I, I, I was hoping we could bring 100 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:45,400 up is this idea that we've been talking about Binance and the 101 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,840 problems and the solution like the solutions and all of this 102 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:56,480 going on for over a year now. This is not new that that CZ and 103 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Binance were under investigation and in trouble A A big 104 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,920 difference here though is they apparently, as far as we can 105 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,520 tell, immediately cooperated with the government and opened 106 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,800 up the cryptocurrency exchange to the feds. 107 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,200 For lack of a better way of phrasing this. 108 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,160 And you know, I like you don't have to take my word for it. 109 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,600 Look at the agreements that have been made. 110 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Yes, I think you're exactly right. 111 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,240 And like the other thing that just keeps running through my 112 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,760 head, like in the lead up to the sentencing and after the 113 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,000 sentencing has been comparisons to Arthur Hayes. 114 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,720 For those who don't remember, Arthur Hayes was the founder and 115 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,440 once the chief executive officer of Bit Max, an offshore 116 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,560 cryptocurrency exchange that allowed people to make massive 117 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:49,680 leverage bets on Bitcoin. Eventually Arthur Hayes became 118 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,640 worried, convinced that there was potential criminal charges 119 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,920 waiting in the wings for him. Hired a top flight law firm to 120 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,320 start dealing with some of those consequences, placed himself in 121 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,120 a non extradition location while they were working on whatever 122 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,480 they could work, and then eventually surrendered at a time 123 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,680 basically of his choosing to. The feds pleaded to I think 1 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,760 count of violating the Bank Secrecy Act and his sentencing 125 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,240 was, I think just house arrest for Arthur Hayes after that 126 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,520 negotiation. And Chang Penzo apparently saw 127 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Arthur Hayes do that and was like, oh that's the trick. 128 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,440 That's what I'm going to have to do. 129 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,160 And so back in 2022, ish 2021 ish, when the regulatory and law 130 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,560 enforcement pressure on finance started stepping up, finance did 131 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,720 a few things. They started hiring like Tigran 132 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,200 Gambrayan from the IRS and a bunch of other people to lead 133 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,720 like their new unit that was going to be cooperating with 134 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,760 authorities around the world to make finance useful for them. 135 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,520 And Chang Penzo himself hired Kendall Day, the former head of 136 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,960 the Department of Justice's money laundering at an asset 137 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,120 recovery service to start negotiating on his behalf in 138 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,640 Washington. So finance starts cooperating as 139 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,240 fully as possible. Chang Penzo hires arguably the 140 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 best possible lawyer for this type of thing to start 141 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,480 negotiating on his BF and places himself in a non extradition 142 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,040 country until the deal's been negotiated and he's ready to 143 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,920 surrender. And this is just such a strong 144 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,800 contrast to Sam Bankman. Freed, when he realized there 145 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,920 was a problem, went running in. Not to the feds, not to lawyers, 146 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,800 not to accountants, but to Chang Pen Zhao, and then collapsed 147 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,360 into bankruptcy. And then just started loudly and 148 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:40,640 publicly protesting his innocence, which CZ has been 149 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,840 very, very careful in regards to his public relations ever since 150 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,800 then. At CZ was always less obnoxious 151 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,120 than Sam Bankman, Freed and this. 152 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Continued like even through their literal sentencing. 153 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Sam Bankman freed his letter to the judge before his sentencing. 154 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,240 Half of it is Macklemore lyrics. Part of it he describes how much 155 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,000 he's going to miss having sex. Like the entire thing is a mess 156 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,640 in which he never, like, actually expresses regret or 157 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,520 sorrow. And Chang pans out. 158 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,440 When he was in court for his sentencing was like, I'm sorry 159 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,120 for what I did. In the harms I've caused. 160 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,960 I take responsibility. I was the CEO, and this is all 161 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,160 my responsibility. And so even at the end, even 162 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,640 when, like the hands were basically dealt, the chips were 163 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,560 going to land where they were, there was still such a striking 164 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:31,200 difference between how these two adult cryptocurrency executives 165 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,760 faced the music as it was coming. 166 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,680 And part of that might come to the difference in the music. 167 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:40,040 Chang Pen Zhao knew he was very unlikely to get over 18 months, 168 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,120 as we've talked about before. But like it, it's still striking 169 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,920 to see that repeated to the very bitter end. 170 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,000 I think it really tells you a lot about both of these 171 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,800 individuals as well. Where you have Sam Bankman, 172 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,880 Freed, who seems to always think he knows what's best, regardless 173 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,960 of the experts around him, And then CZ, who is doing everything 174 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,200 to shut his mouth and hire people who he knows understand 175 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,240 everything better than he does and he's just there to listen. 176 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,560 And like the other take away is following Chang Penzo's pattern, 177 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:17,720 following Arthur Hayes pattern. Here you can get away with a lot 178 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,760 if you cooperate and play it well, right? 179 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,160 Like Binance was the what largest or second largest 180 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,040 counterparty for Hydra. They were transacting with some 181 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,320 of these sanctioned Iranian entities and things like that. 182 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,280 Like there was a lot of seriously questionable 183 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,480 transactions, like problematic bookkeeping, wash trading, and 184 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,800 arguably market manipulation, conflicted transactions between 185 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,240 trading firms and exchange. There's a lot to still dig into 186 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,080 in the Binance story, but like fundamentally because he saw 187 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,120 that there was the power of the state coming towards him, most 188 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,440 of that never came out I. Think it's worth pointing out 189 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,840 that they also paid. Tell me if I'm wrong here, but I 190 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,600 believe finance paid the largest fine in in history, $4 billion, 191 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,320 if not the largest one of the largest settlements in history, 192 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,880 $4 billion, which I guess they're able to pay without 193 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,320 touching customer deposits and all of that stuff because they 194 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:18,680 also have court appointed people within the inside of Binance, 195 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:21,760 essentially ensuring that everything is as they claim it 196 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,280 is. Well, and you talked about that 197 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,600 $4 billion fine. And like we've complained about 198 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,520 the HSBC case on this podcast before, and this was double the 199 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,280 monetary amount of that case, right. 200 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,160 And so if you're living in a world, which unfortunately we 201 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,200 are, where cases like the HSBC case are how the system works, 202 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,720 regrettably, then Binance finance's case stops seeming 203 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,120 like the whiff it sometimes feels like, because they 204 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,280 literally got a fine double the size of HSBC, this massive bank, 205 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,160 right? I definitely understand the 206 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,000 disappointment in the concept of of finding any of these entities 207 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,760 at all, right? I I I totally understand that 208 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,640 sentiment. I get it. 209 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,600 If you're going to have these laws in place about, you know, 210 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,120 helping terrorists get funded where I would expect the US 211 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,920 government would come down incredibly hard on a singular 212 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,120 individual who is guilty of any of this stuff but didn't come 213 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,080 down as hard on the entity of finance and the individual of 214 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,320 CZI get the frustration with that. 215 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,960 I do want to point out, you and I were discussing this, that 216 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,520 that those funds don't go directly to the SEC. 217 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,320 Those those funds don't go directly to the Department of 218 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,440 Justice. Those funds are given to the the 219 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,080 general fund. Those are general fund funds. 220 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,080 They go back to the Treasury. Like ultimately it looks great 221 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,240 for them when they go ask for their budget next year in front 222 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,320 of Congress. But it is not strictly speaking 223 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,920 like oh, they're getting a payoff, They're getting this big 224 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,440 fine, it's all going straight to them. 225 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,240 That's why they're accepting it. That is not how it works. 226 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,640 I want to make sure people are are cognizant of that. 227 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,920 I still get the frustration, however. 228 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,760 We don't have to like it. We don't have to agree with it. 229 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,240 In fact, I think probably it's not just no coiners. 230 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,160 I'm sure there's a lot of coiners out there who really 231 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,520 didn't appreciate the way that CZ did business either. 232 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:15,800 You don't have to like the guy to understand why the US 233 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,040 government is doing what it's doing and making the deals that 234 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,120 seem like sweetheart deals. I do get the idea that if you're 235 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,440 able to get within the business structure of the largest 236 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,080 cryptocurrency exchange in the world, how that can pay off in 237 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,640 other ways, I guess. And I think what you just 238 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,960 mentioned there with the monitor is like a significant motivator 239 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,600 for government investigators. We've talked before about like 240 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,880 how the Alphabet seizure led to like eventually all the Hydra 241 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,880 convictions, Roswell, Khan and Dutch's cases. 242 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,520 All this stuff came because the government got access to this 243 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,720 relatively small compared to something like finance site that 244 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,680 helped them piece together a bunch of the other actors in the 245 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,480 ecosystem. And the number of actors in the 246 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,640 ecosystem who have 0 interaction with Binance is very, very 247 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,560 small. And so having this additional 248 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:12,200 level of insight was definitely, in my opinion, a motivator for 249 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,920 government investigators. I totally agree with that. 250 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,400 I don't think either of us necessarily approves of the way 251 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,280 these things go or I. We're certainly not cheerleaders 252 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,040 for CZ or Binance. I mean, I think it's incredible 253 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,760 that B&B hasn't gotten them in huge trouble from a long. 254 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Time the SEC case is still going on. 255 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Well, we'll see what happens with that. 256 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,240 You know the SEC, they always go for the throat. 257 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Gosh, we'll have to do an episode about that. 258 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,640 Just seeing I it's pretty, it's been pretty interesting to see 259 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,440 how people are getting really upset that the SEC are sending 260 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,160 out a bunch of Wells notices now. 261 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,360 You should like and subscribe otherwise the price of cast coin 262 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:52,680 is just going to keep going down. 263 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,200 I don't know. I don't know what else to tell 264 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,440 you guys. Merritt Pete Can't keep buying 265 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,480 cast coin at these prices. You got to stop them.