1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Welcome back everyone. I am Caspian Sea. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,100 I'm joined as usual by my partner in crime. 3 00:00:10,100 --> 00:00:13,000 Mr. Bennett Tomlin, how are you? I'm doing well. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:13,700 Cass. How are you? 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,500 I'm doing good today. We're talking about the topic 6 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:21,900 near and dear to our hearts, but we're going to be trying to 7 00:00:21,900 --> 00:00:24,600 figure out the nuances of it and trying to help people think 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,400 about it. In a healthier way. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,500 I think there's been some weird stuff going on. 10 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:32,800 We're talking about skepticism, we're talking about our our 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,100 wheelhouse, this is kind of this is kind of something. 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,000 We've been doing since we've been involved in the 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,300 cryptocurrency industry because we mainly started out talking 14 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:48,800 about tether and everyone needing to be skeptical about it 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,600 lately. There's been a lot of issues 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,500 with both in amplification of certain kinds of skepticism and 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,900 a degradation of others. And I think we need to outline 18 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:04,800 what's going on. Not to suggest that we're the 19 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:08,300 professional Skeptics, but to say that we have some experience 20 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:12,000 in being skeptical that we have some experience in being 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,400 critical and that leapfrogging into total conspiracy land or 22 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:26,500 into unreality can damage not just the discussion or the The 23 00:01:26,500 --> 00:01:32,000 way people are companies or other entities are perceived but 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,200 can actually do damage to your own reputation. 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,700 So I think it's important for people to reflect on this stuff 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,800 before they think to themselves. Like, I have to be skeptical of 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,100 every single thing that's ever been said period Bennett, how do 28 00:01:44,100 --> 00:01:47,000 you want to start this? How do you want to kind of delve 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,700 into this enormous swimming pool? 30 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:57,500 Or piranha piranha so piranhas. Live in rivers. 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Yes, leaks. Okay. 32 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,100 Just say your fresh lobbies. Get a water things about a fish 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,200 could live in lakes. All right. 34 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,800 Wow. See be skeptical, man. 35 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:15,200 Skepticism is very important, obviously, that's why we do it 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,300 because we think it's important to be skeptical. 37 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:21,200 And like generally, you know, I bring you live in lakes. 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,600 Fuck you they live in lakes and rivers I just checked. 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,300 This is why you got to be skeptical, folks. 40 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:30,400 Don't just believe him, don't just believe, don't look, I get 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,500 easy. Look smarter than me, he sounds 42 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:38,000 smarter than me, he behaves harder than I do, but you gotta 43 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,600 be a little support here somewhere. 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,400 All right. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:48,600 No, but like I tried to look for inconsistencies I try to look 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:54,000 for things that don't make sense and don't fit together and I try 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,200 to do it starting with the default. 48 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,100 Assumption that most people are reasonably good people who are 49 00:03:00,100 --> 00:03:03,000 making a reasonable effort to do the right thing. 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,300 But it's easy. Once you start to do it to 51 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:14,000 start, the human brain is well-suited to finding patterns 52 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,600 in noise and alike, look at a bunch of different points and 53 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,000 start to see, very thin threads that go between them. 54 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,200 And it's easy to start to grasp onto those threads really hard 55 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,800 and become convinced that these circumstantial connections are 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,600 evidence of conspiracy. And like, I think, part of the 57 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,000 reason it we've been able to Moderate. 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,100 Some of those natural tendencies is because we've been able to 59 00:03:40,100 --> 00:03:43,200 work together on this for the last four years or whatever. 60 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,300 And so when one of us starts to careen down a certain rabbit 61 00:03:48,300 --> 00:03:51,000 hole, it's possible for the other one to go will couldn't 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,600 this just be blank and you have to then pause and step back and 63 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,500 go. Yeah I guess it could be. 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,700 Then you have to like with that thought look for the confirming 65 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:02,200 and disconfirming evidence and try to work through it from 66 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,100 there. Yeah. 67 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:08,000 It's ours are pretty classic Occam's razor. 68 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:11,500 I think I think it's one. Occam's razor is one of the most 69 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:14,800 useful kind of philosophical tools to reflect on when you're 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,399 trying to be skeptical. Because the idea with, in case 71 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:19,100 anyone is unfamiliar, I assume everybody is. 72 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:22,800 But in case anyone isn't Occam's razor is, basically the idea 73 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,300 that the simplest solution is the solution, like if you're if 74 00:04:26,300 --> 00:04:30,800 you're if you're believing that oh the reason that my podcast 75 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,500 isn't popular, is because the bigger podcast are. 76 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,900 Are doing this campaign to keep my podcast at Lake. 77 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:40,900 Joe Rogan knows about crypto critics corner and he's doing 78 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:42,900 everything in his power to silence us. 79 00:04:43,100 --> 00:04:46,300 Here's how I know this to be true and I can make up all kinds 80 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:50,100 of nonsense if I want to, or I can realize that our audience is 81 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,600 obviously going to be a lot smaller than the enormous 82 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,400 audience. That Joe Rogan has been able to 83 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,100 build over years and years and no way, you're onto something, 84 00:04:58,100 --> 00:04:59,900 you see, we don't share it on Spotify. 85 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,300 Like we chart on Apple and Joe Rogan signed an exclusive deal 86 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:06,900 with Spotify and If I had to drive through a screen baby. 87 00:05:06,900 --> 00:05:09,100 So this is what I'm saying, I'm saying, it's super easy to go 88 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:12,300 there if you want to and try to make excuses but it's usually 89 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,700 the most obvious answer which is like okay we're involved in a 90 00:05:15,707 --> 00:05:17,800 very Niche industry. That's what we talked about 91 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,700 almost all of the time our audience is going to reflect 92 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:23,600 that and his audience is going to reflect his his 93 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Communications marketing deal is marketability. 94 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,000 All of his stuff, right? This is this is this is 95 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,900 something you have to think about consistently when You are 96 00:05:34,900 --> 00:05:37,500 trying to be skeptical of stuff, but this kind of brings me to 97 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:39,600 the point, which is, but both of our points. 98 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,500 We've had a, we've had a slew of unfounded skepticism lately, 99 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,800 specifically, I think it's worth noting that Elon Musk tweeted 100 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:57,600 out a article by a fake. Hoax news site based in Santa 101 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,700 Monica, California that had said something along the lines of 102 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,500 Nancy Pelosi's husband was dating the man or like, trying 103 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:08,000 to sleep with the man who broke into their house and threatened 104 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,900 to kill him and Nancy Pelosi. You know, you have gone from 105 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:18,400 zero to 1,000 in in less than a second. 106 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,900 You are you are in. You are acting as though your 107 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:24,500 SpaceX rocket, hear it like dude. 108 00:06:24,700 --> 00:06:27,500 We don't need to go that far. You can pull it back. 109 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:29,800 It's fair to have questions about the attack. 110 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,100 I think that's that's fine. If you want have questions about 111 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:35,600 the attack and how it happened. Feel free to ask questions but 112 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,300 jumping to conclusions is really, really silly now. 113 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,100 Did did he Lon? Umm, that he tweeted this out 114 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,200 and did and kind of push this insane. 115 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,700 Fake narrative. No, he didn't own it, he deleted 116 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:53,200 the Tweet, he deleted the Tweet. He did not own it apologize and 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,200 try to move on which Use me to the other person that I want to 118 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,200 talk about who did it right? Because someone we know and or 119 00:07:00,207 --> 00:07:03,500 not. No but someone that we admire 120 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:08,800 and who I personally think is one of the best Finance 121 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,100 interviewers in the world right now. 122 00:07:11,300 --> 00:07:16,300 Deirdre Boza who works for NBC NBC, she got caught up in some 123 00:07:16,300 --> 00:07:20,900 nonsense because she went out to Twitter headquarters and Lima 124 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:26,300 Johnson to made-up names and Case you're not getting what I'm 125 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:29,500 saying? Like my Johnson, these two, Lads 126 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:33,400 were pretending to be Twitter. Employees holding, you know, 127 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:36,800 Michelle Obama magazines and just being complete rolls. 128 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,700 Pretending, they just got fired by Elon Musk lo and behold 129 00:07:40,700 --> 00:07:45,700 Deirdre along with several other media, Outlets believed it and 130 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:50,900 reported on it. To say, she got piled on would 131 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:55,900 be a euphemism. People were not just making fun 132 00:07:55,900 --> 00:08:01,000 of her, but just railing on her and CNBC and saying this is what 133 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,700 what's to be expected? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 134 00:08:02,700 --> 00:08:06,600 blah, blah. Thankfully Deirdre then about 135 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,500 two or three days later. Deleted the Tweet screencap. 136 00:08:10,500 --> 00:08:15,500 The tweet and posted an apology where she said I made a mistake. 137 00:08:15,700 --> 00:08:19,300 I am so sorry that I I did that. You should expect better of me. 138 00:08:19,300 --> 00:08:21,500 I should expect better of me, and I'm going to do everything I 139 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:23,400 can to not make mistakes like that again. 140 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,000 I cannot tell you one. That is one of the hardest 141 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,800 things to do. It is so hard to sit upright, 142 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:35,799 talk to your audience and say, look guys, I really fucked up. 143 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:38,000 I am so sorry. I hope you can still support me 144 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 despite this. So first of all, that's very 145 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,799 difficult Bravo to her for doing it too. 146 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:44,100 I hope to see a lot more of that. 147 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,800 I hope that we can see a lot more journalist. 148 00:08:47,100 --> 00:08:50,100 And media personalities who make mistakes. 149 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,900 Stand up and go. I am so sorry. 150 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:53,900 I did that. That was, that was really silly 151 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:57,700 because the end result of this. This is, and this is the final 152 00:08:57,700 --> 00:09:00,300 part of this, this monologue. I've got going on here, is that 153 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,500 Everyone embraced her apology. Like I have never seen as much 154 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:09,100 as much, like the industry as a whole just going. 155 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:11,700 Well, thank you for doing this. Thank you. 156 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,600 Thank you so much for doing this and you know, you've done a lot 157 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,300 of important work and it's okay. It's okay, we appreciate you 158 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:21,800 owning it and I like, I don't know. 159 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,000 That's about as that's about all you can ask for from your 160 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,500 audience and that's all you can ask for from the people who were 161 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,700 giving you media who are the content creators and And the 162 00:09:31,708 --> 00:09:34,900 ones bringing it to you, if they make a mistake and they own it. 163 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:37,100 I like there's very little else you can ask because we'll all 164 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:38,600 going to make mistakes at some point. 165 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,000 You and I have made mistakes, it's something that happens. 166 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,100 I think kind of what you're getting at here. 167 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:48,400 Is that In all these mediums and across all these things. 168 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:53,100 You have a responsibility to be responsible to try to find the 169 00:09:53,100 --> 00:09:56,700 best information you can and report it as accurately as you 170 00:09:56,700 --> 00:10:01,300 can and doing that. Well, risks, sometimes making a 171 00:10:01,308 --> 00:10:05,600 mistake it is not always possible to check every possible 172 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,100 claim through to its entire possible, conclusion in the time 173 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:10,600 frame. You have to report certain 174 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,900 things. So it is incredibly responsible 175 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:15,800 that when you fall short of being able to check search 176 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,200 Things and you end up propagating myths and 177 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,800 disinformation that you then take an active effort to try to 178 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,800 make right? What you did wrong to try to win 179 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,200 to try to make sure that it's now as knowledgeable as 180 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,100 possible. That that information is not 181 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:35,200 true in this instead is the true information, which she did an 182 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,400 excellent job of and many other people try to instead, just 183 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,100 leave mistakes. They've made in the past and by 184 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:45,800 avoiding acknowledging them, just hope they fall out of me. 185 00:10:45,900 --> 00:10:48,300 Emery or double down, or double dot, which is the other all, 186 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:50,300 that's the other option that's even worse. 187 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:53,200 But let's but we had, there's actually a great example of 188 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,600 this, which we've been seeing lately and this is so sad to me, 189 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,800 which it comes from a source that I used to enjoy very much, 190 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,300 which is the intercept and Glenn, Glenn Greenwald which, 191 00:11:03,300 --> 00:11:06,000 you know, they're separated. Now they are not the same thing, 192 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,900 but both of these have now, been having these horrendous mistakes 193 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:13,600 that they don't clarify that they double down on that they 194 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,000 ignore and wait. So the intercepted this big 195 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,700 piece on all of this Department of Homeland Security, like 196 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:27,900 secret spending and stuff. And Mike masnick who I don't, it 197 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:31,300 does he work for Tech? I think it was protector but 198 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,500 just wait. Regardless, Mike masnick? 199 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:35,600 Who's I? Like, if you don't follow him, I 200 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,000 highly recommend. His Twitter feed, is very 201 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,400 informative. I know he's debating leaving 202 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,100 Twitter now I think most people are, but they're everyone's at 203 00:11:44,108 --> 00:11:45,700 least stating that they're thinking about it. 204 00:11:45,900 --> 00:11:49,800 Don't know how real it is. Anyway, he called out this 205 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,200 intercept article and basically said none of this is secret. 206 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:55,900 None of this is like under the surface. 207 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:58,300 Like it's all right there for everybody to see if they want to 208 00:11:58,308 --> 00:12:00,300 see it. You guys are misreporting this 209 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:03,500 when in reality, there's so many other problems with the US 210 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:05,600 government, that you could be focusing on. 211 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,800 Why are you doing this and making it more difficult to 212 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,600 bring attention to the important stuff? 213 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,400 And instead of apologizing, instead of saying like, oh my 214 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,000 bad, I should have done better work the gentleman who I'm not 215 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,100 even going to name him gentleman who posted this thing put on 216 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:26,400 Tucker Carlson and other shit. The guy who posted this was like 217 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:30,900 basically just arguing with Mike masnick, not not suggesting that 218 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:34,300 he was going to fix the article, which they did edit the article 219 00:12:34,300 --> 00:12:37,000 and not post when they fixed it. Why. 220 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:40,700 Which is again, if you're if you're in the media outlet, that 221 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:42,600 is absolutely something you need to be doing. 222 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:47,700 If you make a correction, mention it to your readers, you 223 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:51,800 have to mention it so that that's the first thing. 224 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,300 But then to Glenn Greenwald went off on this Ilan tweet 225 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:57,900 pretending, it was actually something to be skeptical of, 226 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:01,900 like, ya know, people you got to like, maybe he, maybe she maybe 227 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:04,100 he was seeing a prostitute, maybe blah, blah blah, and it's 228 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:07,800 like, hey Glenn. I appreciate skepticism to but 229 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,700 now you're just fabricating stories. 230 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,900 Like you're not, you're not being skeptical of the new 231 00:13:11,900 --> 00:13:14,100 story. You're being skeptical of the 232 00:13:14,100 --> 00:13:16,800 first story that you heard and then you get this new, totally 233 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,800 fabricated nonsense and you go, that sounds more believable. 234 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:25,000 That sounds more believable. Does it sound more Maybe maybe 235 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,500 Craig Craig Wright got hacked. You know, the hacker wanted was 236 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:31,100 not to take any of the Bitcoin or any of his money or anything 237 00:13:31,100 --> 00:13:33,100 like that. All they wanted to do was plant 238 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:35,100 forgeries. That Craig would later enter as 239 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:39,200 real evidence into court trials, it's the only explanation he's 240 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,700 hurt. It's a lot of these, a lot of 241 00:13:41,708 --> 00:13:44,900 this nonsense and I and I think my concern with doing this 242 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:49,600 episode is I you and I talked about this before we jumped on a 243 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,500 few days ago, was that, I think a lot of people perceive Our 244 00:13:54,500 --> 00:14:00,400 early skepticism as being borderline conspiracy theory. 245 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:07,900 And while I think we have asked a lot of a lot of questions that 246 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:11,800 may be. Maybe some of them didn't need 247 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,400 to be asked, honestly, I think there's some questions that we 248 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,600 didn't even need to bother asking where as we could have 249 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,200 focused on the important ones and I think one of them for 250 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,700 instance being like, get an audit period, I don't want to 251 00:14:22,708 --> 00:14:25,800 hear excuses, I don't want a five year timeline. 252 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,900 I want you to get an audit now, like this is absurd that end and 253 00:14:31,900 --> 00:14:33,900 it should be questioned why they cannot do it. 254 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,000 It should be consistently questioned when they promised 255 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,100 this thing why they can't do it, great. 256 00:14:39,100 --> 00:14:42,300 That is something very Hannibal to be skeptical about other 257 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:44,000 things that are worth being skeptical about. 258 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,300 They promised one to one backing, they have never, they 259 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:50,700 have never shown that they ever had that or the, that is ever a 260 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:53,300 goal that they will succeed at to. 261 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,400 They've talked about all the their transparency there. 262 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,100 How they're they've shown these assets. 263 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:00,800 They didn't do that. They didn't do that. 264 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,600 Until the New York attorney general force them to do a 265 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,600 summary. We still don't know of any of 266 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,800 this is true because there's been no audit of them. 267 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:11,200 So I think a lot of our skepticism, Comes from a very 268 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,400 real place, and that's, you have to ground your skepticism in 269 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,700 reality. You can't just let it unhinge 270 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,800 itself and go off and fly. It can't be. 271 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,200 The bird. Can't be the little Twitter bird 272 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,800 that has free speech. Now, it can't, you can't just 273 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,100 think whatever you want. That's not what skepticism is 274 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:32,800 about. It's not about just believing 275 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:38,000 everything, it's about wondering and questioning everything but 276 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,200 that has to be grounded. In reality, it has to so well. 277 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,100 And you need to remember to maintain a skepticism about the 278 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,800 evidence that confirms your skeptical belief. 279 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:53,400 So, like in terms of tether, one of the most common accusations 280 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,600 against Heather is that they were manipulating the market and 281 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,900 one of the most common pieces of evidence used to support. 282 00:15:58,900 --> 00:16:02,600 That is the is Bitcoin untether paper by Griffin and Shams. 283 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,300 I've talked about in the past some of my problems with this 284 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:09,600 paper where If you eliminate like the two most extreme days, 285 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,700 the relationship, Was totally disappears. 286 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:14,500 They Don't Really address other potential explanations for the 287 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:17,700 weird end of month Behavior, like Futures closing, and things 288 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:19,700 like that. And so my conclusion, when 289 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:22,300 looking at the paper was always, this is insufficient evidence 290 00:16:22,300 --> 00:16:25,600 that tether is manipulating the market, but like that paper has 291 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,400 been the foundation of class action lawsuits and of a whole 292 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,600 bunch of different coverage and discussion of tether as if it 293 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,200 proved they were manipulating the market, right? 294 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:42,300 And so this is why I I'm confident I have fallen short of 295 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:46,000 this repeatedly in my foreign a half, or whatever years covering 296 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,000 tether, my gold generally is to try to be as skeptical of that 297 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,600 type of evidence that tends to confirm the things were 298 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,100 predisposed to believe as the evidence as the things that 299 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,800 tether is saying and is presenting out into the world 300 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,599 because otherwise it is very easy to become unmoored. 301 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:09,300 And it's, so it's so easy to think about like an exam, like, 302 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,800 if I, if I had to be skeptical of every single thing that I do 303 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:17,300 in the world, I would be paralyzed. 304 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:21,099 Like I wouldn't be able to do anything anymore and that goes 305 00:17:21,099 --> 00:17:23,700 for anybody, you can't be skeptical of everything all the 306 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:25,200 time. That isn't how it works, right? 307 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,099 You have to focus the skepticism on stuff that you can actually 308 00:17:28,099 --> 00:17:33,200 follow up on and confirm and. And that, that, like I can't go 309 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,900 confirm what's happening in. Let's say Ukraine. 310 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,500 Just can't I guess I could I guess I could get, I don't know 311 00:17:40,508 --> 00:17:43,000 if I need a visa. If I doubt, I need a visa to go 312 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,500 to Ukraine but I probably would, I need to buy a plane ticket. 313 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,000 I would need to find a place to live. 314 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:51,200 I'd be putting pressure on the resources in a country that 315 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,500 doesn't probably want to expend resources on a foreign visitor 316 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:58,400 so that you have to make decisions on what you can and 317 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,700 cannot confirm and and and to do it responsibly, you would need 318 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:06,000 to spend weeks months or years, studying the context and the 319 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,700 history. Turi and, like the different 320 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:09,800 reports and things like that, to understand what you're even 321 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,500 going to look at and like being able to parse it and slyke. 322 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,300 And so, yeah, there is, there is always in our society, like, a 323 00:18:16,308 --> 00:18:18,500 little bit of that Outsourcing of trust. 324 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:19,300 Yeah. Right. 325 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,000 And it's not that you shouldn't be skeptical. 326 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,900 It's that you should be skeptical when there are clear 327 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:26,500 inconsistencies, when promises are being made and not kept when 328 00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:28,400 you're seeing like things like that. 329 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:33,600 Like that are like in direct opposition because that's often 330 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,200 like the entry point where you can start to find meaningful. 331 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:40,300 Things. Otherwise you get caught in the 332 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:43,700 Whiplash you get pulled away. Yeah, yeah yeah. 333 00:18:43,700 --> 00:18:46,700 I just think it's worth acknowledging. 334 00:18:46,700 --> 00:18:50,400 The good skepticism in the bad skepticism that is happening out 335 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,200 there. I mean I wish more people had 336 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,800 been skeptical of something as crazy as Tara and Luna. 337 00:18:56,100 --> 00:19:00,200 I wish that that I wish there had been more broad skepticism 338 00:19:00,300 --> 00:19:03,800 from the industry as a whole and I don't just mean like everyday, 339 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,200 retail investors who God really guys. 340 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:10,000 It's far more important. Isn't that you are skeptical 341 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:16,100 than Mike novogratz or or Anderson Anderson Horowitz, you 342 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:18,700 know? Like, they don't need to be 343 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:20,400 skeptical. They can blow all their fucking 344 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,200 money, I don't care. I don't care. 345 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,200 I care about be good for society if they blew all their money. 346 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,700 Yeah, is what I'm really sorry. But for the read for the average 347 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,200 retail investor, I think it's actually really important for 348 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,200 you to be skeptical, especially about things that you might not 349 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,200 understand. And I, and that it's so easy to 350 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,700 get. Caught up in this like, well 351 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:42,300 that's a word. I don't know but I don't want to 352 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:47,100 look stupid. So, yeah, no, no go on. 353 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:48,700 No. An algorithmic stable, kind of 354 00:19:48,700 --> 00:19:50,300 bring I mean, I know what an algorithm is. 355 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,600 And I would have stable coin is just represents a dollar. 356 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Yeah, of course. Go on. 357 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,100 I mean, that sounds great. It's so easy to transform into 358 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:59,700 that person and be like, I don't need to be, I don't need to 359 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:01,300 question this stuff. I don't want to look stupid. 360 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:05,000 I really don't wanna look stupid or I don't, I want to know this 361 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,200 purse. I this person seems important I 362 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,200 don't want to be on their team. Mmmmm like it. 363 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,700 All these things, intermingle in morphing your ability to 364 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:19,000 perceive when you're being fooled and in finance. 365 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:21,800 I think this is particularly troubling because this is 366 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,400 something that we've seen throughout history. 367 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,400 This is something that happens, like, a lot of people are trying 368 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,000 to fool you in finding they want your money, they don't care 369 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,100 about you. And if you're not skeptical, 370 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,500 you'll lose your money, you will lose your money. 371 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,500 It's not even a question. Like, if you're not If you don't 372 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:41,700 but then then there's the other side. 373 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:44,400 There's the other side of that which is if you're too skeptical 374 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,900 of the entire system, if you're too skeptical of every single 375 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:51,800 thing that is in operation today, in society that keeps 376 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,600 Society going, you end up putting, let's say, all of your 377 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:01,800 money in a box in your backyard and you bury it and you are not 378 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,500 helping yourself. If you do that, you're not 379 00:21:04,508 --> 00:21:06,900 helping yourself. You're not investing, you're not 380 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:11,000 trying to earn Earn any kind of like interest on the money, 381 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:14,400 you're bleeding out due to inflationary like that. 382 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,400 The dollar is inflationary so you're bleeding out due to 383 00:21:16,408 --> 00:21:20,000 inflation and you're bleeding out to extra inflation right now 384 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,500 and if someone ever finds out that there's a box in your 385 00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:25,300 backyard with a bunch of money if they're just going to fucking 386 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:27,500 take it. So I like there's a lot of 387 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:31,500 things. That can push you way too far in 388 00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:36,100 One Direction here and I wish we could give somebody a guy wish 389 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:40,100 we could give people just step by step instructions. 390 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:42,200 I don't think you can. I don't think it's possible to 391 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,800 tell people exactly how to be skeptical, but it is a fine line 392 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:49,600 and you do have to be aware of it. 393 00:21:49,700 --> 00:21:52,100 You really do. You need to know when you're 394 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:54,400 maybe like you said, we have each other to kind of Bounce 395 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,200 these ideas off of. Hopefully, you have some same 396 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,900 friends and same family. A, I know that's a big ask for a 397 00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:04,900 lot of us, but hopefully you have some and you can bounce 398 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:07,600 these ideas off of them and hopefully they're honest with 399 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,100 you. So that when you say something a 400 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,900 little bit crazy, like I don't know. 401 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:15,200 Atlantis is real. They go. 402 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,200 And, can you prove that to me, please? 403 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,600 And when you can't, they can go okay, dude? 404 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:24,200 No. And you trust them when they say 405 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,500 do note know, you know, like I just yeah, I need People to be a 406 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:32,900 little bit more skeptical to own when they're not skeptical 407 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:37,600 enough and to own when they're way too skeptical. 408 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,400 It's the big ask, but I really need everybody to try to do 409 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,300 their best to do that because I'm seeing so much of it being 410 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:49,500 almost weaponized. I would say, I think what you're 411 00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:52,000 talking about is kind of going back to like Elon Musk great if 412 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,200 you flood the field with so much misinformation, you start 413 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,700 questioning even the confession of the attacker themself. 414 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,100 Right. Then you can make it so you can 415 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:04,000 challenge any premise and you can make any conclusion true. 416 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600 And once you've gotten to that point, you control the 417 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,700 information space, right? You just continue to flood it 418 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,700 with nonsense and you avoid coherent, narratives that can be 419 00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:14,800 responded to, from being formed. Because how do you respond to 420 00:23:14,808 --> 00:23:18,200 someone still supporting the claim that like this attack? 421 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,800 Or at the Pelosi house was these things that Elon Musk 422 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,000 propagated, you have to, like, claim that the confession was 423 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,500 false or somehow coerce that there's some other evidence 424 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,000 that's being held back. That would somehow prove this 425 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 This stance. And that even in that, that 426 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,300 evidence would not just provide some small circumstantial piece 427 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,900 but would prove the larger overarching claim of why this 428 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:39,600 individual was there and like the relation, the pre-existing 429 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,100 relationship. And so, like, the amount of 430 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:45,000 confirming evidence that would require that is required for 431 00:23:45,008 --> 00:23:48,000 that hypothesis to be true. Should make you deeply skeptical 432 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,600 of it if you understand stand skepticism. 433 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,300 But if you've been just taught that your goal is to be 434 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:55,900 skeptical of claims made, especially by this type of 435 00:23:55,900 --> 00:23:58,700 person, which is often how it's used, that's how Glenn Greenwald 436 00:23:58,700 --> 00:23:59,400 will. And use it. 437 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,700 Now, though, the New York Times is making that claim a, we 438 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:03,800 should doubt every claim, they're making the New York 439 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,200 Times often falls short, but there's still one of they still 440 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,300 some of the best journalists in the world reporting. 441 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:10,700 These stories, most of the things they report are going to 442 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:13,700 be reported pretty well, right? And so you should have some 443 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:16,400 skepticism but don't jump to it's wrong because it's from 444 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,700 here because that's the same kind of flawed thinking that 445 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:21,500 you're trying to respond to with well done skepticism. 446 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,500 Yeah. That it's almost like you can 447 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,700 get into a place where you've reversed the flow of the water 448 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,700 like you you've done it. You've done the Opposite of what 449 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:33,700 you're trying to do. And the amount of conspiracy 450 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:37,100 theories that are just utter nonsense. 451 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Utter nonsense, totally insane, off-the-wall batshit crazy, the 452 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,300 right. The Sandy Hook nonsense that 453 00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:48,800 Alex Jones is going to have to pay a billion dollars for now. 454 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:53,800 When we've gotten to the point that people are presuming that a 455 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,500 mass shooting is staged. You need to step back and go. 456 00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:03,900 Maybe I'm questioning too much because I like it's not the 457 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:06,300 world against you. It's I know it feels like that 458 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:09,100 to all of us but it is not the world against you. 459 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:12,100 It is not everybody is doing everything to push you down. 460 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,100 There are certainly systemic issues in society and I think we 461 00:25:19,108 --> 00:25:21,300 can all grant that. It is absolutely true. 462 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:25,200 You want to talk about minorities in the prison system. 463 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:27,000 You want to talk about how Flawed. 464 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,600 It is because there's clearly an elite class in America and 465 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,500 throughout the world that has more wealth than the rest of us 466 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,400 and more property than the rest of us. 467 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:40,500 Sure like, I feel free to discuss it and talk about the 468 00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:44,900 reasons that it exists to be suggesting that there's a big 469 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:48,600 cabal and a conspiracy and they're working to harm. 470 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,400 You is again, getting, so skeptical that you almost cannot 471 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,900 prove your skepticism anymore. You've now created a whole new 472 00:25:54,900 --> 00:25:58,300 theory that would Would people need to be skeptical of? 473 00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:00,600 Because it doesn't, it's not grounded in reality anymore. 474 00:26:01,900 --> 00:26:04,400 And yeah, I don't. I again, I don't know. 475 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,200 I don't know how we help people walk this fine line because it 476 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,900 is a fine line and I know we're asking for a lot and look, we 477 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,300 we've made mistakes too. I think it's, we recently 478 00:26:19,900 --> 00:26:22,500 tweeted out my in response to you. 479 00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:26,000 I tweeted out my old article about a former friend of ours, 480 00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:32,400 who started a onion site who helped me, start up my onions. 481 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,500 I and was trying to do this thing as like, a Is going to do 482 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:40,100 build a company around this. I got hosed for whatever was a 483 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:43,400 hundred hundred twenty five bucks, not much but that money 484 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,900 is gone. And a friend of ours, another 485 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:49,900 friend of ours, got hosed for a couple thousand dollars, I 486 00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:51,900 should have been asking more questions that whole time. 487 00:26:51,900 --> 00:26:54,600 I wasn't asking those questions because I trusted this person 488 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,100 that's going to happen in life, that's just what's going to 489 00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:58,600 happen. You're going to have friends, 490 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,600 you're going to have family, they're going to disappoint you. 491 00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:02,700 You're going to do things that you don't expect them to do. 492 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,400 Of course, that's going to happen as long as you're A 493 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,600 functional human, but to take the important part is to take a 494 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,400 lesson from it to expand on that and to try to utilize it to not 495 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,300 only help yourself but hopefully help other people. 496 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,600 Yeah. The two last things that kind of 497 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,500 went to touch on here is that most conspiracies are 498 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:28,000 challenging to pull off. Like when you actually start to 499 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,700 think about the number of people who would have to be involved 500 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:33,100 the types of resources, they would need access to the 501 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:34,800 logistics. You would need to support all 502 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,800 those. Horses. 503 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,900 And the number of people that involves and that many people 504 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,800 all keeping it a secret for however long it's been operating 505 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800 is generally extraordinarily unlikely. 506 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,200 And so, when you actually look at most of these theories 507 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:51,200 through that lens, you realize they're not going to work 508 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,300 because people are bad at keeping secrets, people are bad 509 00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:58,200 hiding this kind of thing and the other part is you want to 510 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,900 continue to trust most people even if you run some risk of 511 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:04,600 being scammed, who defrauded because many of the most 512 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,600 rewarding and and good things in life come from when you're open 513 00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:11,100 and trusting and seeing the good in people and most people are 514 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:13,500 good. And so it's when you start to 515 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:16,900 see the inconsistency, the broken promise the LIE, the 516 00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,000 thing that can't be true being spread is, if it is true that 517 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,300 then you need to become skeptical that then you need to 518 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:25,400 put the attention. There is when you've already 519 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800 seen like the disconnect. When you've seen the flaw, the 520 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,300 initial flaw. You shouldn't start from, this 521 00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:33,700 is wrong, right? And and they're look, there's 522 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:35,200 plenty of. I think there's plenty. 523 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,200 A of silly harmless conspiracy theories out there. 524 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,200 There's a Wyoming doesn't exist, there's birds aren't real. 525 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,800 There's plenty of these conspiracies that are 526 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,500 essentially Unhinged from reality on purpose and that's 527 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:54,400 that's totally fine. The problem is when you have 528 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,300 even conspiracy it, well there's even conspiracies that I feel 529 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:01,000 are more or less harmless which are like, we never landed on the 530 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,900 moon. It's like, okay, I mean I don't 531 00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,900 really give a shit if you think we didn't land on the moon, it's 532 00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:07,800 not gonna hurt me. It's not gonna hurt you, it 533 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,000 doesn't matter, fine. But then it starts getting weird 534 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:17,100 when you start getting into ones where it's almost like the goal. 535 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,700 Is to rip apart Society, the fabric of society as we know it 536 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,300 and you go, okay, I don't know why we're even discussing this. 537 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:28,500 Like, you cannot prove or disprove it. 538 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,300 You cannot you like that is the. That is how most of these things 539 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,600 are. That's why skepticism should be 540 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,900 utilized because if you cannot prove or disprove something and 541 00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:42,600 it's getting passed along, like it's fact, like, I don't know. 542 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,500 I mean, they're here. Okay. 543 00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,800 Instead, here's one that I think is a Here's one that I think is 544 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,200 a totally fair skepticism, is that that ultimately, I think 545 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,000 Occam's razor could be totally true in this case. 546 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,100 And yet, it's okay to be skeptical, right? 547 00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,900 Is the classic Epstein didn't kill himself thing where it's 548 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:05,200 like, okay I get why people think that actually totally 549 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,800 understand why people believe that he didn't kill himself. 550 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,800 It makes sense to me. Why people believe that also 551 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,300 prisons are vastly underfunded. These dudes have been working 552 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:16,000 like 48-hour shifts or something. 553 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,900 They say they fell asleep, they probably bubbly fell asleep, the 554 00:30:18,900 --> 00:30:20,800 cameras weren't working the cameras, probably weren't 555 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,800 working and and Epstein was going to be in jail for the rest 556 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,900 of his life and probably didn't want to live anymore. 557 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:32,200 You know, all of those things can be true and yet, right? 558 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,200 And yet you can still be like, hmm. 559 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,900 I don't know about that. And I get it, I totally get it 560 00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:39,600 also. At like it's not going to harm 561 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,700 any of us. It's again, this is not 562 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,000 something that is going to matter to any of us right now. 563 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,900 It's not going to destroy Society, it's not going to like 564 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:51,600 it's, it's people. Yelling about a dead guy. 565 00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:55,700 I don't know an additional scrutiny on Jeffrey Epstein, his 566 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,700 activities and who all was involved in them is probably not 567 00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:04,300 good for our society even if some of the claims like and my 568 00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:06,100 guess is he did kill himself, right? 569 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,300 Yeah. My guess is he died by suicide 570 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,900 because it's an awful prison in prison sucks and life sentences 571 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:13,600 suck, and everyone finding out that you're a sex trafficker and 572 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,200 talking about it for the rest of your life. 573 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,700 Where you're stuck in prison is going to suck, right? 574 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,600 And so, but yeah, you're right, it's possible. 575 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,800 There was a lot of Powerful people who knew Epstein who were 576 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,500 really close to him. Maybe he knows you made a good 577 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:30,000 point with, like, people like to talk to where it's like it works 578 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,100 on both ends where one, if something is a conspiracy. 579 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,000 For instance, we never landed on the moon. 580 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:37,200 Well, I would expect that a lot of people would be talking about 581 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,400 that then because you took film that and fake it, you would need 582 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,500 dozens, if not hundreds of people, some of those people are 583 00:31:44,508 --> 00:31:46,300 going to talk. Like that's just that's just how 584 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:50,500 people work, not somehow. None of those people exist to Us 585 00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,600 how this big Sound Stage? Was there that fake? 586 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,600 The moon landing, they're not there the CIA killed them right? 587 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600 The CIA took care of all of them, but none of those people 588 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,800 who killed them are also around to talk anymore. 589 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,100 Because if you kill them, look, whatever man, I'm not. 590 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:09,700 I'm trying to say that people like to talk, so most 591 00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:12,500 conspiracies aren't real. There are some real conspiracies 592 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,500 though to well, and some of the real ones are done like out in 593 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:18,500 the open like the FBI killing Merchants Luther King jr. 594 00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:21,200 Right? Like they do exist. 595 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,400 Yeah, but when they do this often subsides were criminal 596 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Network, working with politicians in Malta to kill a 597 00:32:27,408 --> 00:32:31,000 journalist and and the politicians never going to jail 598 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,600 for it. I think it's pretty clear that 599 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,800 politicians worked together with criminals to blow up a 600 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,600 journalist, but they're not in prison. 601 00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,200 Okay. So I like okay, there are 602 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,600 conspiracy theories that are real. 603 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,400 There are people who know how to keep their mouths shut. 604 00:32:44,500 --> 00:32:47,400 But for the most part that is not the case, and on the other 605 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,100 end of that, we all love to talk about nonsense. 606 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,200 So it's really easy to start up nonsense and I think it was Mark 607 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Twain who said, but people go around the world. 608 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,600 Before the truth can even get its shoes on. 609 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,200 It's an some say, yeah, something like that, right? 610 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,800 So, so the idea being basically that you can tell 1000 lies and 611 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,300 they're going to go around the world a million times before 612 00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:15,700 anyone is like, oh, the truth, is we more live in that world 613 00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:20,100 than when Mark Twain was alive. It communication is instant now, 614 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,900 Oh, so there's no chance to even try to. 615 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,700 I we've seen it a million times on Corrections and on Twitter, 616 00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:28,600 which I again is, this is why I think Deirdre Boza did such a 617 00:33:28,608 --> 00:33:30,700 good job. She deleted the original tweet 618 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,400 screen, shot at it and said this is incorrect. 619 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,100 I am sorry. That is how to handle this. 620 00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:38,600 It is absolutely how to handle it. 621 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,600 It's taken me years to understand that it's taken me 622 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,200 years. I didn't know, I didn't know 623 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,300 that's how you should deal with this stuff, but once you do know 624 00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:48,200 that, make sure that's what you do when you make a mistake 625 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,100 inevitably, because we're all going to do it. 626 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,200 We're all going to make a mistake. 627 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,700 We're going to report something too early. 628 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:54,800 We're all going to accidentally spread misinformation. 629 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,300 One day, we're all going to not be as skeptical as we should be, 630 00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:59,800 when we are or two skeptical when we shouldn't be. 631 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,500 That's okay. As long as you correct it. 632 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:04,800 And I think that's, that's my main, that's the main point. 633 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:11,300 I want to make Yeah, I think that's the takeaway is that it's 634 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:15,100 important to be the goal of skepticism is to get to the 635 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:18,300 truth and so it's important to use that as your orienting thing 636 00:34:18,300 --> 00:34:21,000 is to try to understand what is actually going on. 637 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:23,000 And skepticism is a tool to get it. 638 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:30,100 That skepticism itself is not like It is not disbelieving, all 639 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:33,100 of the evidence until you've worked yourself into whatever 640 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:35,600 position. Fits your feelings, which is 641 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,199 what it can sometimes end up. Being it's all in the pursuit of 642 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,100 actual understanding. Right? 643 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,800 So now that we've acknowledged that we're all in a simulation 644 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,400 and none of this is real, please make sure to hit that like And 645 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,500 subscribe and review button because man Even though this is 646 00:34:55,507 --> 00:34:58,900 a simulation and it's not real, I just need that dopamine. 647 00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,700 Hit, please, please help me live, my best fake existence. 648 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,300 The dopamine gives the aliens who keep our bodies as 649 00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:08,400 batteries, more power Xenu.