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I am Caspian Sea and I'm joined as usual by my partner in crime.
Mr. Bennett Tomlin. How are you today?
I'm doing well. Cass.
How are you? I'm doing good.
We're joined by a really special guest today.
Dr. Angela Vergara, who teaches at Caltech and specializes in
kind of the history of company towns, which is the topic that
we are going to be broaching today.
Angela. Welcome on and thank You for
joining us? Hello?
And it's great to be back in the program and talking about
company towns. I really like.
Yeah, hopefully you can all hear her speak on our other podcasts.
Innovated blockchain City Bennett.
Why don't you as as you did last time go ahead and start us out
sure. So I think that one thing that
would be useful for us to start on is if you could just give us
a little bit of an introduction into the history of the concept
of company towns and where it originated.
Sure. So I think as we've been
talking, I'm in the air. Other episod company towns have
a long history. I think mostly they got back to
the 19th century, as ways, in which employers, try to
regulate, or more than regulate to do, to start a company many
times in remote places. So I think the first company
towns who are linked to factor or in industries that were
really far away sometimes from other cities or mining camps
that were also sort of remote. So it's an effort to build House
workers, but at the same time, we take the ideas of controlling
the workforce. So was not only way to provide
housing, but there is something always in company tells of how
you going to control the workforce, how you're gonna
somehow prevent conflicts, and how you also going to change
people's behavior like that. You can have a sort of a
productive. So, those ideas goes back to the
19th century to the sort of industrial growth expansion in
mining from Auntie are some of the text out towns and then you
can see the first one sometimes in Europe, the us.
But they quickly expand also to other parts of the world.
What are some of the problems inherent in the company?
Town model? Wasn't there.
So the province of the mother, I think the different, I'm
different dimensions. I think first there's a question
that were private property and because they were private
property, they were always Attention with a state with a
national state and with public authorities in the sense that
the company may want to keep things in a certain way within
the company, but we have to think that this Whole Town's,
their cities that people leaving their family, their kids, that
women are men. So maintaining that within a
private entity becomes a source of conflict, intentions who was
going to administer Justice, who was in charge of Public Safety,
who was in charge of Education. And health and epidemics and
nautical stuff. So, I would say that the first
conflict has to do with State and in terms of responsibility
for the people who litter and second.
There is the question of Labor tension.
You always have Labor tension in a factory in a mine.
But what becomes really implemented accompanied the
house is that you have a sort of intersection between these Urban
demands and the labor demands. So when unions An organization
negotiate with a company. It will not only be about salary
but also could be about sewage of Corsa B about the park.
So that also intensify in many ways, a lot of the labor
conflict. We think company towns.
Do you find that company towns? Well, obviously, that there's
that first kind of there's there's a few iterations, right?
I think, if we go, we want to share with people kind of the
history of company towns, it kind of starts.
Even before when most people think it starts like in the, in
the 1700s when there's factory work.
Now, once once they've invented factories, you can kind of
figure out a way to force, a Township on this Factory
concept, but then it goes on and like you said, it, it starts to
be this separation outside of a city.
Almost like, if I think you can even go back to like, Pullman
Illinois and, and like, that. It wasn't quite in Chicago.
It was outside of Chicago and, and then even further right,
you're talking about Towns and stuff where they were thousands
and thousands of feet up on a Mountaintop where it was
difficult to and difficult and treacherous to get to.
But I guess I'm wondering if it's kind of inherent to any
industry. That is experiencing kind of
explosive growth. Well, I think the most typical
case for this work with the mining industry and I think you
mentioned that with the sort of isolate come.
So I think the expansion of industrial mining especially in
the 19th century. Century.
But I also threw out the first part of the 20th century, you
really have that connection between company towns and
Industrial Mining and especially thinking about how mining was
not, just a all kind of pre-modern expectation and cower
at work. But how they also became heavily
industrialized and as the word industrialize they did not only
had a by itself but they have refineries, they have smelters,
they're happy and they have all kinds of stuff.
And also they were much more connected with markets and I am
publication plan that they need to ship stuff.
And that increases sort of like the size of the workforce.
They need to really train the workforce and because of that,
to maintain them for a very long time, to bring families and all
of that. So I think we really see this
sort of explosion, of company towns.
Not only the us, but especially you see the Southwest but also
in Canada and also most Not the part of Latin America and
Africa, you really start seeing this company doesn't link to
Industrial Mining and they will last for a long time.
I mean, I was set in the late 20th century when the Mother
start declining as a sort of alternative for the mining
industry. Yeah, you specifically mentioned
in your book, El Salvador chili. Sorry, if any of not the country
El Salvador El, Salvador, El Salvador Chile, which was a city
that had a lot of people for a brief period of time.
And that was run by Anaconda Copper company, which also set
up a company town called Anaconda.
Montana in America. Both of these towns had
populations that ranged from like, 25,000 to like, I don't
know, 50,000 or something, and they're now, like, shells of
their former selves, but it is interesting that when I like
looked into Anaconda that it's like, Arco Arco is, what owns
everything that was once anaconda.
And Even still the ramifications are clearly being felt.
And I presume that, I believe our Co close those down, but I
think they would have to be now dealing with all of the
absolutely disgusting clean up that these places left behind in
order that these companies Left Behind where they were, I think
you mentioned very clearly. It's true with many of these
mining camp that is what happened with the company lips.
What happened? When these companies were bought
by different companies such as the case of our go with anaconda
or what happened, when it was replaced by a state company that
will happen. The case.
Oh, chilly. What do you do with right for
you? Do is properties of what you do
with it. Clean up of the mess.
They saw Central to most of the company history.
So I think there is a question of responsibility.
They say never clearing company towns have responsible.
They offered people while being somehow the response, what they
are for the environment. And sometimes it depends on the
kind of laws state laws of federal laws, or country laws,
and how they would define those responsibilities, but I think
the fact that and I think in some ways, the same the main
tension and I thought you said, I mean you have 20,000 people
live in dark, you know, and then they might close down and then
what happened with the people? Could stay store today supposed
to leave and relocate. Can they stay?
Who is responsible for giving them a new kind of life or new
kind of chop. And I think the only issue that
continue to be very present in many of the mining camps as that
which is somehow and age, you know, like their mind is not a
productive anymore or they becoming too toxic.
There is one of the other issues and I think that is very
eccentric understanding how it Think about company tells how we
think about company responsibility.
How we think about what should be a round of public institution
in regulating this displays. I think related to that.
And you mention this when you were talking earlier about how
one of the primary sources of friction is in the division of
responsibilities in powers between the company itself, and
whatever, other governments exist, in that region, and this
is both providing services. So who's going to enforce the
law? Educate the children?
And provide the health care and besides that, like you're
talking about their end. There can be a point where if
those responsibilities are delegated to the company and the
company's ceases to exist that you need to those Services,
still need to be provided. So are there any like specific
examples or things that are important to keep in mind?
When looking at the tension between the existing
governmental structures and the structures of the company in
these types of cases? What?
I think I mean it keeps changing but I will say that this what is
important in most of these? When it company town saraiva
when he's proposed. I think there is the question of
who owns what that should be resolved.
And I think for instance the workers and families have the
right to own a home. You're not.
Can they purchase that land, you know, and I think or it will
always be a company house. So I think those issues can be
resolved and A point in history. Some company does Forrester
encourage homeownership because they want people to stay.
And they also want some hard to distance himself from the
administration of the most everyday issue of a city.
I think it's also critical to, to see and understand the role
of the police, you know, and especially law enforcement
within the town because in history, I mean, you brought the
case of Pullman before, but you do have two other cases in which
the sort of Camp. Gart are private police
considered of collaborate. With the local police force and
were do things. Start, and end.
Can you call the police to repress a strike?
Can you call them to resort to like resolve?
A domestic dispute who's in charge of that?
And I think that is key to resolve and last I will say, is,
he's the right? The needs to always be there is
a right or the state or the community to really Really
supervise things, you know, it cannot be a private company
where nobody knows what's happening inside, you know, and
I was recently reading about those all plutonian camps in the
former Soviet Union that they were completely secret.
I like and I think that is an example you need to know what
happened or it needs to be regulated and the question of
our environmental damage. I think Center or the impact on
people's bodies and disease continues to be a very Central I
find it interesting that you're mentioning like like a private
police force, private security Force, kind of like keeping
everybody in line in the company town.
Because something that I realized when we I took, I took
a trip to Story County for our other podcast and something that
didn't fit in the actual podcast, is that the courthouse
in Story County. Nevada is actually one of only
two courthouses in America. Where Justice is in blindfolded.
Justice is seeing everything and is making a decision based on
everything that Justice is seeing.
Which goes just tells you like. I mean Story County was formed
as a silver, mining town. It was like this.
This is this place was formed just because of silver and they
almost maybe it was by accident. But in a sense, they almost
acknowledged like yeah, Justice isn't blind here.
We're picking a side before you ever get into the courtroom and
I think it was To add something to that because like in the case
of Chilean mining camps During the period of an account.
For instance. I mean there was Public Service.
There was the Nashua police station there but the company
will provide the house and will provide the benefits and it will
provide special food for them. So there was a way in which they
all influence. So, even if they were public
service store because it was a company town, the company will
interfere somehow in all the administration of justice, or Or
online enforcement. So you can see, it was always
unclear how much the company could manipulate many of these
are Services. I didn't want to bring up one
other thing that you reminded me of which was palko, which I
assume. You're also quite familiar with
the Pacific Lumber Company, which was located in our state,
California and you were talking about this ownership of homes
and all of this stuff. And I and I just can't help but
think of Palco because Palco People were happy weird
legitimately happy there as when it was a company town, which I
found. So like it's kind of riveting
because it goes in the face of everything we hear about company
towns. They're so cruel to their
employees usually or there so they don't care about the
environment or they don't care about palko.
Actually did care about the environment Palco did care about
the employees and then one day it didn't matter because an
investor came in. Took over the company, sold off
the assets. Change the way they were doing
Lumber mining in up there in Northern.
California and ultimately, I think the people who had at some
point been guaranteed a home had to, you know, essentially read
by repurchase their home, back from it, some fucking Equity
Firm, excuse me, but so it just kind of flies in the face of
everything that was originally promised to them.
I think is some one thing that's interesting is How people
remember their life in company town and I think most of the
time than tend to be very positive and some time for
historians is hard because, you know, all this history of
Grievances and conflict and tension and then you talk to
people and they seem to have had a great life.
At least. I remember as you said for the
lamp that they had home and then something happened and
everything changed. When I'm confronted with that.
I always thought that it wasn't a lot of a A memory a lot about
how they remember their family or have the remember the
community or had the remembered to have, have a sense of place
in some ways. And that the change was some -
mostly because he means jobs, are became less secure or
because working condition change or because a company, didn't
really care anymore, but I think sometime is the contrast and not
sorry that the past was so good, but it's a way to somehow they
reflect on their past. Many times it also, I think is
the people who had to talk to her, especially about the
history of company tiles or those memories, where people,
not to say that work there, but they were kids.
So the memories are also, different is like, in some ways
you can be fun to grab in a company town.
You know, it's really the say, if you run around and you know,
everybody, your purse just work right there.
There's not commute. There's a very strong sense of
community. So that also shape memories and
personal accounts are company Towns at that.
Sounds like adjusted. But in really quick and I'm not,
there's no question here, but that does sound like one of the
only benefits that you might see in a company town.
So it's interesting to hear that we were talking about ways that
the company can use their position of power in the fact
that they administer all these services to manipulate various
things and exert their power in different ways.
I think one of the Striking examples of the way, they can do
that and did do that was by issuing.
Or company money, where the workers were being paid in a
form of currency. That was generally not broadly
accepted outside of the company town and then was accepted at
the company stores where the company could set the prices.
Do you have any thoughts, or historical examples of script
that you think would be useful to share?
Well, I think the script was was coming in the 19th century and
the lobby before, too. I know.
It's very common in the mining camps especially call and I'm
and in the case of Chile for instance, in the nitrate economy
that it was most in the Atacama Desert.
That was awesome. Like sort of little camps, but
the scripts were eventually abolish unless made unlawful in
the beginning of the 20th century.
Most of the labor laws prohibit that you could pay people in the
script and the Really push for cash.
So, it's Chris eventually disappear.
I don't think they were present in any of the most modern camps
or the 73 tends to be something more color like this old way of
doing stuff. But I think, even if the script
was not there, there were ways in which the company control
consumption, and at first people to the camp, which is the role
of the script, the script is to put people in depth or maybe
people that you cannot really live because you're her script
and you had to spend them. You have no cash, but
eventually, what many of the comes did, was they still have a
company store. They paid him in cash, but They
may have a depth so that was another way of trapping people
or they get so many benefits houses or any other things like
that, that some have this supplement their income, that
they cannot live anywhere else, you know, so I think we tend to
focus much on the script because it's really this symbol of
Habeas and then really the sort of that life in the mining camp
that night then Center it. But as we move in the 20th
century, we also need to pay attention to other ways in which
the companies continue to manipulate.
People's income and I think the company store especially in
place that were far away. Sometimes when benefit or
credit, you know, or you can buy things here cheaper than other
places. So you're somehow trap you
depend on the company. Well, one of the examples you
gave there was striking for me just because it's not a way I
had thought of it before. We're in by offering certain
benefits to their workers like the house.
Like the things like that, that is that they would not.
Not be able to afford on their salary outside the town, you
effectively, make it. So they're chained to that house
and therefore to that company in order to continue serving that
way. Yes, that was just very striking
for me. That's not really a question.
But it was just well II. If I can jump in there too.
Then I I think we can lead this into a question because I think
the reality is that the company store or for that matter company
scripture all these things. The reason they can exist in the
first place is because you're so far removed from society that
there is no. Kitchen, wherever you are.
And in that sense, I do think this relates so much to what are
other podcast is talking about because they perp it's almost
like they purposely set this new blockchain technological City in
the middle of the Nevada desert and you go why like I get it
land is cheap, but is that a good enough reason to try to
move 35,000 people to the middle of nowhere?
Where water is not to be found and Pensive to put to bring in,
or is there something, is there something else going on there?
Right? Like is, is it just good
intentions and cheap land or or do you think this is like, the
modern spin that continues to happen to this day?
I mean, there is the question of remote and you mentioned about
that this remote places, where you Need the continued to offer
people. Something.
I mean, you have to satisfy the consumption in it, you know, you
have to provide for all of this but I think in some ways I'm
quite we consider the continuity.
So the company towns is that they are using that as a tool to
control workers, you know, or to shape them.
I mean, this even discussion about whether they want to
manipulate consumption certain point to get people to consume.
Some certain products in the old time, for instance, that while
people are present in in your restaurant.
They want to americanize that Workforce.
So they encourage women to buy food that were considered
American food and to cook in that way.
So they were using consumption, not only as a way to attract
people because of money and dependency, but also, as a way
to transform people, or made him behave in certain ways, I think
modern companies are Many companies are much more complex,
and I would say more evil sometimes and the have more
interest. So, you don't know, you know why
they bring certain kind of teepees and love other ones
where they have a link with a company, you know, it's harder
now to see who owns a company. There's so many different
interests. So I be careful with the
question of consumption because I think many companies make have
an investment in saying, we want people to consume this or we
want people to really We watch these movies and not other mob
is the stream. These are not other things.
So I think those ways of social control or such as Engineers.
We used to say, for the 20th century.
I still present but it is in this new complex behavior of
modern capital. I think in companies that has so
many different interests. I would say, there's always a
profit of what they're doing. Obviously.
You're an academic you you work at Cal, Eight Los Angeles, but
something that I was I was doing on for a while.
Before we jumped on this call was this idea that obviously we
see all these issues with company towns.
They're so they're so kind of almost obvious in the in the
problems that they seemed to cause with the environment with
the people with with history. Like they just leave a horrible
Mark generally, but then I thought about what defines like
a company town, right? And the definition of a company
town without getting into strict definitions.
Here is the Idea that like you have a single employer in, a
relatively remote area, that is kind of dictating how people are
making their decisions and setting the overall salaries.
And there's like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things that
play obviously, but I'm kind of wondering what the major
difference is between a college town and a company town, because
college towns seem to exist everywhere in America.
And if you think about it on its base level, it's quite similar
to what a company town. Is right, you have a single
employer that's employing. Most people that's bringing in
new people constantly. There's a constant stream of new
people coming in just because of this one thing, the decisions
around that University or going to make or break the community
around it, but I think people are okay with college towns and
people almost like, college towns.
So, what is the big difference there?
You know, I think that's a really A funny question for me
because when I was doing my research, the first time I got
into, Company towns. I was a grad student and I live
at UCSD, in La, Jolla in San Diego.
And then I used to joke. I live in a company Town drama.
Static company town, I get paid, but you see Richard.
I pay my rent, the you see Richard?
I buy my food is that you see, Richard and everything is
controlled by them. And I always thought this is the
most classic case of a company Town, especially those college
town that became sort of far away from City that sort of
model of building them far away from Downtown areas and then
your lived. Are you consumed or you get your
meals? And I love that for some reason,
I think people have accepted that because they supposed to be
tolerant community in some ways. I guess, or there is an
intellectual sort of learning environment.
The fact that most of the people are young and then miners in
some ways as a lot of them and you need to protect them and you
need to take care of them. So there is part of that that
layers to accept them college town, but I think there are
controversial in their own ways. The fact that many of them
invest in real estate, the fact that the charge housing in a
very sometime in flavor, rent us.
There's a lot of kids with the you see right now and it's not a
controversy with that. So I think I would not put a
completely out of company, a company town, I think, but they
don't really have everybody I think.
Difference with college town is that their employees don't
really live there, you know, staff people and faculty tend to
migrate out to the periphery at the cottage style.
So maybe they don't really have control so much over them as
they do / / student. But then suddenly what are the
differences I think is that they company town.
The produce is really labor relation, you know, and it's
only a labor relations and that is the main element in the
college town there. Is this sort of educational
mission that maybe influences the should relation with
student, but we may want to explore more other people.
Also told through another mother don't think about military bases
or such company towels. So we have in, I was said if
emission that becomes basic flexible and I think, although
we also thinking about what you said about.
Yes, it's a single company, but sometimes there's more than one
company that they share a camp. Like there are several.
Industrial complex, you know, or like industrial sauce.
And that's a very common princess, Central America, or
the Caribbean and other parts of Latin America.
So I think we did that in should keep changing.
But I would keep the Labor Relations at the center of every
other company town. Do you think there are any
examples of? Well executed in Good Company
towns or is the model inherently flawed?
Other exploitive, good company towns.
I think some of that company towns, the word that eventually
gave up, for instance, the question of Housing and they
promote her home ownership. I think that's the time for is
not Torrance in California in the lay, some of the Aerospace,
you know, those things. I think they avoid the kind of
conflict that mining camps had, you know, so thousands that also
That somehow became part of the city.
So they couldn't really maintain that very strict, boundary
between camp and the real City. And I think a lot of them other
towns in California Adventure game that I think, eventually
any camp that allowed for what it was possible to have a strong
union movement. It was conditions will improve
you know, so I think even some mining camps but what the union
was a Able to negotiate where was able to somehow act as a
balance to the power. The company there were companies
were there were places where conditions were good.
I mean, there are still a lot of tension because you were
isolated, but at least people earn a decent salary, they have
right and all kind of stuff. So I think places were there
were more regulation more control.
You eventually have a good motor company town.
Sounds to me like the best case scenario for company towns is
basically where you need to construct a bunch of
infrastructure in some remote, or difficult to access area that
the state would not necessarily be incentivized to create, but
the company is because they can extract value.
And then after that, when the laborers are able to get enough
power and influence to protect themselves from the company that
was able to build that infrastructure in the first
place. You think that's in.
Accurate summary of the Dynamics there that seemed are places
where people have power and right and where the company
don't have this absolute control over, people are places that
really have thrived in some ways.
I think also places where environmental regulations are
clear, you know, and I think that, especially when we think
about this possum, that shot out or places or this mining camps
are having software loaded there.
It's just that you need to have a token Force, very strict
environmental regulations of because it's so easy to pollute
and destroy everything when they're far away from
authorities. You know, that nobody's really
seeing what's happening the river or anything like that.
So I think also were there is that clear loss regulate what
the company can do, but in terms of people who are all symptoms
of the natural environment, I keep thinking, now about your
point about like military towns being a A good comparison to a
company Town, even though you're right.
Like, it's not quite the same in terms of Labor.
Being the only like clearly, the government will spend exorbitant
amount, exorbitant amounts of money, even if they're not
extracting anything or whatever. Like, and I reflect on America
and wall. I think there's things like
college towns, army, bases, and, and, you know, Amazon warehouse
is where a lot of people live nearby and that gets relatively
close to what a company town could be.
I do Wonder. I've spent some time in China.
And I wonder if the closest thing to a company town today is
reminiscent of what's going on in China now, which is where
they will essentially, in places like sinkiang or Tibet.
They will ship people out to start building up infrastructure
in these places that for hundreds, thousands of years,
have not had any real, like we're going.
You know what? We're going to build a
high-speed rail line out there. We're going to build up a bunch
of cities. We're going to not only change.
Like you were saying before like teaching people in Chile to cook
with American food or something. Like you know, what you're all
Han Chinese. Now, you're going to learn how
to cook, Han Chinese food enough of this Weger stuff.
So I wonder if this is like the closest thing that we currently
have to what a company Town used to be.
I think you're completely, right?
And I think I'm the kind of industrial.
Girl, that you're having in China right now and at the same
time, but I think is the normal secrecy around many of these
towns, and also the relationship, the comic a
relation between the Chinese government and private under
private sector. I think it makes many of these
camps are this industrial towns or cities.
It really a very clear case of company towns or didn't order a
new form of company town. I I think you also point out.
And I think that's also interesting for like, is 21st
century new wave of company, towns, maybe of the use of
Migrant workers of this Workforce that you move and this
place from different places and you're throwing another case
there. There's Nursery company thumb,
but it could be similar that are fishing boats.
This largest amount of them are Chinese out that this like
massive bolts that may have 300 400.
People working darf for months and years like around.
Ocean and people leave work either, and the get pay at the
end of trip. And, I mean, it's not the
company town in some ways. But on the other hand, is
another form of providing for almost everything that workers
need in this sort of, a floating Camp around to reassess tractor
resources and also controlling people 24 hours a day.
And I think, I mean, maybe it was extreme cases.
Damn, right here. But it makes you think about new
labor conditions and and an employer's power.
And and what you're talking about right?
There is actually something that is so popular, it like Bennett
and I deal mostly with people who were interested in
cryptocurrency and interested in in self sovereignty.
I guess you could put it in quotes, self sovereignty and so
they dream about something like let's build a big platform in
the middle of the ocean and make it our own.
Country and they don't think about any of the stuff you're
talking about right now, which is like and then you have to be
there forever. Like good luck, getting off of
your island country Nation where you guys have your own money and
you have, you know, people in tuvalu and nehru and stuff.
This is a real life struggle for them.
They like can't leave their Island home, even if they want
to write. And I and like I say, it's just
such a it's such a compelling point that it it strikes home
really hard for the the people that we are constantly dealing
with in our everyday lives and that what's going to add their
that the way to understand this new sort of maybe less permanent
camps of this, something more extreme conditions is that fact
that many company towns by the late 20th century?
The stock closing down because it became too expensive.
It was too expensive principal maintain families provide for
school. Send at least her and parks and
hospital and a lot that so many Mining and at the same time they
became too toxic. So you couldn't really help
families. There's so many mining mining
times what they did. They sort of send the families
the regular City and the start bringing workers for lunch
shift. So it became very common which
is coming their oil industry, but also night has become
another or third like a forest camp and and fish.
Fishing camps is that you bring? Yes male workers usually for
like a week or two weeks. They work them like 12 hours a
day and then they send them back to the city.
So they just maintain them for this very short period of time.
They have a sort of a dormitory or something like that, what
they feed them and give them everything they need.
But then they don't really look after the more kind of community
housing and services that they need if they were really living
there. I think this postmodern cases
are fishing factories floating around the rod and all that kind
of stuff. The reflect that shift of how
you just had a short period of time or how you create a subtle
shift, your work for a few months.
Then you go back to your family and things like that.
I guess, my final, my final question for you would just be,
what do you think? I mean, considering you spent a
significant amount of time studying company towns and not
just the History, but kind of like the future of them.
Essentially. What do you hope the future for
these kind of Concepts looks like since the presumption is
that they will exist. But also, what do you want
people to take away from their history?
I guess. Well, I think that think about
the future and thinking that just are going to need to
producing remote region. You're still gonna have people
migrating and moving around and then and then you stay.
Have to regulate how private Capital invest and Outland and
do all the cool stuff. So I'm in this one official I
think is Angus back to some of the elements is really thinking
about, right? And regulations.
So how do we regulate this activities new?
We can obviously lead them to Auto regulate themselves because
it done self-regulate, you know, so you need to have regulations
that are clear. You really need to To let people
to organize, you know through labor unions but also through
neighborhood association or whatever.
It is a place where the community can Thrive and can
have a voice, you know, and can negotiate and can decipher to do
with an end or decide what color they want to paint the house or
whatever they want, you know, so having a space for Community
participation in terms of the workplace labor unions, but
also, I think it's important to have neighborhood association or
some form of And then the third element that I think with any
remote activity or things that were move away from City right
now. We need to think about some of
our mental cost. So where they're moving into the
mill, the Amazon to extract some fruit or whatever they want to
do, or they're going to dig something in the middle of the
Sonora, Desert. We really need to know what
they're doing. So I think the third element
needs to be an environmental regulation, which I think, Most
of these companies even if it is a warehouse, you know, the
amount of fuel emissions or whatever that you have sometimes
on these places are dangerous. So I think the environment will
be my third aspect. Well, thank you.
Dr. Angela Vergara. I will if anyone wants to find
you you were you seem to be a little bit active on Twitter.
So I will go ahead and link to your Twitter profile in the
episode. It's at Vergara the RG ARA
underscore and ha Ang Ela. So if anyone wants to find you,
they can find you there. And thank you so much for
joining us. It's been lovely speaking to you
both times, and I feel like I learned a ton each time.
So, thank you now, many thanks was really fun.
Always talking about company towns and thinking about the
future in creative ways of thank you for having me.