1 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:10,040 Welcome back everyone. I am Cass PNC and I'm joined as 2 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:12,760 usual by my partner in crime, Mr. Bennett Tomlin. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,120 How are you today? Oh, I'm a little nervous. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,960 How are you, Cass? I'm not nervous. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,240 I'm I'm ready for this. We're we're going to be talking 6 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:27,400 about a person who we've both written about and discussed 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,280 before, maybe not on the podcast very much, but we've definitely 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,600 written about them and had issues after writing that about 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,720 them. So I understand why Bennett is a 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,240 little nervous, but everything we're going to be discussing 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,720 today is public record like there's nothing. 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,320 And we're also not going to make any scandalous claims. 13 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:47,040 Everything that you that we're discussing right now you can 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,360 find for yourself in the Epstein files, unless the DOJ took these 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,960 files down, which they may have. We're talking about Brock Pierce 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,920 and his relationship to Jeffrey Epstein. 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,640 I want Bennett to describe Brock's early career. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,960 Let's start at childhood actor, but I also just want to lead 19 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,960 with, if you want to follow along with us right now, you can 20 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:15,720 go to protos.com, type in, type in Brock Pierce. 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,840 It'll be the first article that comes up in your search. 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,440 And go ahead and click that and you can kind of follow along 23 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,200 with what we're going to be discussing today. 24 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:27,360 But yeah, go ahead, Bennett, and introduce folks to who Brock 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,040 Pierce is, in case they're unfamiliar. 26 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:35,680 Brock Pierce is a former child actor who starred in Like The 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,320 Mighty Ducks and The Mighty Ducks sequel. 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:45,720 As a teenager, he retired from acting and immediately became 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,400 part of this entity called Digital Entertainment Network, 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,920 which he was doing in collaboration with Mark Collins 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,240 Rector. We'll come up in a minute. 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Unfortunately, Dan was supposed to be providing videos over the 33 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Internet, like short television style shows, but over the 34 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,120 Internet it kind of didn't work because it was too early. 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,200 The infrastructure wasn't really there. 36 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,400 There wasn't enough demand for video delivered over the 37 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Internet. And I want to add, there's clips 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,560 of these shows available on the Internet that they put out, and 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,800 they're terrible. I mean, these are really bad. 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,520 They're worse than generic sitcoms and stuff, and a lot of 41 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,280 them revolve around like gay teen gay and lesbian teenagers. 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,720 But you know, sorry, I did. I just wanted to let people 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,200 know. If you want to find clips of 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,280 these shows that Den put out, you can find them. 45 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Yes, and DEN was going to be a multi $1,000,000 IPO towards the 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,760 end of the 1990s, but then that IPO ended up needing to get shit 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,400 canned because Mark Collins Rector was accused of sexual 48 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,440 assault and other forms of predation. 49 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:04,240 Following this, Pierce left DEN and decided to instead start 50 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:09,120 Internet gaming entertainment, which was gold mining for Wow. 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,840 Basically they hired a bunch of people in other countries and 52 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,960 stuff to grind for gold and Wow, and then they tried to sell that 53 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,120 gold to other people. I think there was also some 54 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,800 stuff for a while where they were selling like fully leveled 55 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,960 characters and things like that. Yes, yes. 56 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,800 And in case anyone is unfamiliar, like I, some of our 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,480 listeners I think are, are older than me, which is not exactly 58 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,800 young. World of Warcraft is what 59 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,520 Bennett is talking about right now. 60 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,560 He also did it for Ever EverQuest. 61 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,680 So like a bunch of a bunch of different, they're called 62 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,840 MMORPGSA bunch of people get together and play a kind of 63 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,120 fantastical game online where they try to complete missions. 64 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,680 That is supposed to be the fun part. 65 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,520 But what Brock Pierce did was take that and be like, OK, well, 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,720 we're going to loot farm. We're going to we're going to 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,640 level up these characters, get expensive loot, good loot, and 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,000 then we're going to sell that loot or those characters to 69 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,920 other players. And it became a very profitable 70 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,320 business. So profitable that a Goldman 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,200 Sachs got involved and you can you can take it away again, 72 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,399 Bennett. Specifically, Steve Bannon got 73 00:04:18,399 --> 00:04:21,120 involved. This is somewhat after he left 74 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,720 Goldman Sachs, but he was able to bring in some other Goldman 75 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:30,520 Sachs guys for their money and they come in, take over IGE for 76 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,920 like $60 million or something like that. 77 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,440 And so that's where Pierce and Bannon begin working together 78 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,440 publicly. And it was kind of like a big 79 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,400 infusion of cash, which Pierce would end up committing to some 80 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,360 of his later ventures. Pierce does a couple of other 81 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,480 things kind of around the gaming space. 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,600 He ends up involved with, like, a venture capital fund called 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,960 Clearstone Ventures, where another Tether Co founder also 84 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,920 is a general partner. That's William Quigley. 85 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,160 And after a couple of years bouncing around that space, he 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,360 ends up getting involved with Bart and Bradford Stevens as 87 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,760 they were initially setting up their cryptocurrency venture 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,840 fund, which would eventually become Blockchain Capital. 89 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,920 Yeah, this was just a fun, to be clear, like this was part of the 90 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,080 the Stevens brothers. They had their own investment 91 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,600 firm and they just started this separate little cryptocurrency 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,600 fund that went on to become what we now call blockchain capital. 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Yes. And so Pierce was majorly 94 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,640 involved in the early years of Blockchain Capital until he was 95 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,880 forced out when people again paid attention to Brock Pierce's 96 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,760 history. During his time at Blockchain 97 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Capital, he also got involved in a bunch of other cryptocurrency 98 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,360 projects. He was part of Master Coin, 99 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,240 which became Omni, which is where Tether originally 100 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,560 launched. He was founded Co founded 101 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,160 Tether. To be clear, this is a Co 102 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,240 founder of Tether. He Co founded a real coin which 103 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,120 became Tether when it was bought out by the Bit Fenix Principles. 104 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,640 He was part of Sunlot Holdings and Gox Rising, two different 105 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,480 initiatives that hope to either revive or purchase Mount Gox at 106 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,120 different points. He got involved with Noble 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Markets around this point, which was like trying to be this 108 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,680 NASDAQ listed cryptocurrency exchange and ended up becoming a 109 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,840 Puerto Rican international financial entity that marketed 110 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:30,240 itself as a bank. We'll probably get back to that. 111 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,000 Yeah, yeah. Let's pause. 112 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,840 Let's pause here, actually, because I want, I want everyone 113 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,480 to. So you have a kind of a framing 114 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,320 of who Brock Pierce is. He's been quite successful with 115 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,680 a lot of these things. No one knows his exact net 116 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,000 worth, as is usually the case with extremely wealthy elite 117 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,680 individuals, but he likely is a billionaire. 118 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,960 I will say he at least has hundreds and hundreds and 119 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,480 hundreds of millions of dollars. He. 120 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,640 He claimed to be a billionaire back in like 2018 and when he 121 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,120 was like pressed on it, he said, oh, if I'm not a billionaire 122 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,640 yet, I'll just make a token and then I'll be a billionaire or 123 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,320 something to that general effect. 124 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,680 Yeah, yeah. I don't need money. 125 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,000 I can make tokens. That's kind of an A basic 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,600 understanding of who Brock Pierce is, but I want us to talk 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,160 about. Well, I do. 128 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,640 I glossed over. I was talking about his 129 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,760 professional career there. During some of those things, 130 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,840 there were some other personal struggles which were going on. 131 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,600 So Mark Collins, rector we mentioned is part of DEN, who's 132 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,760 a close friend or at least was at the time a close friend of 133 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:38,000 Brock Pierce, was eventually indicted for some of his sexual 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,680 crimes and fled the United States to go to Spain. 135 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Brock Pierce went to Spain with him. 136 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,120 Pierce has claimed he was unaware of the indictment and 137 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,240 was unaware his good friend was a fugitive from the law when 138 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,800 they did this. But nonetheless, Pierce was 139 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,240 living with this fugitive from the United States justice system 140 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,280 together in Spain. Eventually Spanish authorities 141 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,120 raided the house to arrest Mark Collins Rector. 142 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,120 They found gigabytes and gigabytes of child pornography 143 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,040 and a bunch of other stuff like that. 144 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,520 This broke in some of like I think The Hollywood Reporter 145 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,600 broke it in the United States and tied Brock peers to it, 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,440 causing him some problems in terms of his reputation and 147 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,560 stuff that have continued to dodge him with people claiming 148 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,200 he's friendly with pedophiles. We'll get to that. 149 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,240 And so, yeah, he has for years been plagued with various 150 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,799 controversies surrounding how many of his close friends appear 151 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,840 to be pedophiles or other forms of sexual criminals. 152 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,720 Yeah. And he's denied all of this and 153 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,280 more or less has. I wouldn't say he's claimed to 154 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,640 be a victim, but he's kind of pushed forward the idea that 155 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,280 like he was a young kid when all of this stuff started if 156 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:06,960 anything, like you can't blame a 17/18/19 year old kid for making 157 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,880 bad decisions. It's a fine line to walk. 158 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,880 I'm not going to really get into it right now. 159 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:19,360 I think there's good reason to say that the behavior that was 160 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,360 happening then has kind of continued throughout the rest of 161 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,440 his career. A lot of people talk about the 162 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,120 way that he behaves behind closed doors and stuff and 163 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,160 rumor. The rumor mill is not 164 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,720 necessarily good to him and that is why, for instance he had to 165 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,480 leave blockchain capital like you mentioned. 166 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,240 And why he ended up having to leave like the Bitcoin 167 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,800 Foundation, that's right. And some other things like that 168 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,640 is because these controversies which were known about, which 169 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,200 had been reported were once again like brought to 170 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:55,880 prominence, including when John Oliver at one point like made a 171 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,840 joke referencing a popular documentary called An Open 172 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:05,720 Secret, which like referenced some of the earlier period of 173 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,720 Brock Pierce's life when he his friends were implicated in these 174 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,080 sexual crimes. Yeah. 175 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,360 And you know, there's issues with that with that film. 176 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,320 I won't say the the the film is perfect, but it also raises some 177 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,840 pretty disturbing questions. So, you know, buyer beware when 178 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,520 it comes to watching that and taking in what they say in it at 179 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,840 100% truth. But it is very interesting, I 180 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,600 guess I'll say. And I'll, yeah, I'll also add 181 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,400 that, like, the nature of the cycle of abuse is that victims 182 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,640 often become perpetrators or people who perpetuate the thing. 183 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,920 And so there is a decent chance that many of the people, 184 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,520 including or many of the people around Epstein who may have been 185 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,840 perpetuating or perpetrating sexual crimes were at some 186 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,000 point, perhaps themselves a victim of some of that behavior. 187 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:06,240 I spoke to a victim yesterday, not of Epstein, but a victim of 188 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,280 abuse. And I said to them, one of the 189 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,960 things I said to them was it's very fascinating to me how so 190 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,320 many of the victims were tasked with finding more victims and 191 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,600 that they would go on to do it. And we both came to this 192 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,040 conclusion that I, you know, I'm no psychologist and I'm not 193 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:31,320 trying to say I am or make any kind of claim that I am, but you 194 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:36,080 have, you know, all of control, rest rested, rested from you and 195 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,960 you lose all control. It feels like when something 196 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,680 like that takes place and it feels like a, a way to get that 197 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,160 power and that control back is to be like, OK, fine, I'm going 198 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,000 to, I'm going to go get more people now. 199 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,560 I'm the one who has the power. So it's not to say it's 200 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:57,960 forgivable or acceptable behavior, but at least there's a 201 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,840 way to understand it, you know? Yes. 202 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,120 And so that we've talked now about some of the broader 203 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,840 context around this Tether Co founder Cass, could you start 204 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,920 with Brock Pierce and Jeffrey Epstein becoming people who 205 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,200 communicate on a semi regular basis? 206 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,360 How did that happen? What did it look like? 207 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,640 Yeah, So in 2010, this is 2 years after Jeffrey Epstein had 208 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,160 already been arrested for and then eventually accepted a 209 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,280 guilty plea for procuring minors for prostitution. 210 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,200 That happened in 2008. And by 2010, he's still 211 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:36,880 struggling with the ramifications of that. 212 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,080 He's still getting civil lawsuits. 213 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,520 He's still facing a lot of media attention about what he what 214 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:43,360 he's accused. Of. 215 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:48,400 There's new victims coming forward, new new lawsuits, new 216 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,720 problems. So he desperately wants to try 217 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,200 to fix this and he doesn't know how. 218 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:59,400 So he reaches out to someone named Al Sekle, Alfred Sekle. 219 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,720 Most people probably are not super familiar with this guy. 220 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,520 He is. He was well known in I guess 221 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,680 like in the Epstein circles. He. 222 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,680 Dated for many years. He dated Gilane Maxwell's 223 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,080 sister. Gilane Maxwell, if you're 224 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,640 unfamiliar, is basically known as the Madam for Jeffrey 225 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Epstein. So Al Sekle was dating Gilane 226 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:30,640 Maxwell's sister, Isabel, and he was in regular contact with 227 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,600 Jeffrey Epstein. And Epstein reached out to him 228 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:38,880 and said, hey, I need you to scrub the Internet of my sexual 229 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,080 assault issues and my legal issues. 230 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,480 I need you to get rid of this stuff. 231 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,160 And he, Al Sekle says he'll do it for $25,000. 232 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,440 So Jeffrey Epstein pays him $25,000. 233 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,320 Then Al Sekle asks for 10,000 more dollars because it turns 234 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,240 out he didn't give the money to who he was supposed to. 235 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Then he asked for 10,000 more than he says he wants to put on 236 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,560 a conference. And the conference is going to 237 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:04,280 cost somewhere like $100,000, possibly, maybe more. 238 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,160 It's going to be a very expensive conference. 239 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,480 It's going to be hosted on Jeffrey Epstein's private 240 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,480 island. And Al Sekle says this is great 241 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,360 for you. Like we're going to wipe 242 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,080 everything clean and we're going to make you out to be a a 243 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,040 philanthropist, a science philanthropist, somebody who who 244 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,440 cares about giving. And this is this conference is 245 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,800 going to be the start of a new beginning for your reputation. 246 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:34,520 So despite having problems now and concerns about the honesty 247 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:40,720 of Al Sekle and the ability for him to follow through with his 248 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,040 promises, Epstein goes ahead with this conference. 249 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,280 And the conference is called the Mind Shift Conference. 250 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,280 One of the invitees is Brock Pierce. 251 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Originally, Brock had been planned to because he has a 252 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,280 winery. I guess Brock Pierce had been 253 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,600 planned to do a wine tasting. But Epstein said no, I don't 254 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,320 want a wine tasting. Forget it. 255 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,080 So instead of doing a wine tasting, Brock Pierce does a 256 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,000 presentation on cryptocurrencies. 257 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,080 And despite the fact, it turns out Epstein hates this 258 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,440 conference, he sends an e-mail pretending to be someone else, 259 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,680 pretending to be this random woman named Susan. 260 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,520 And he tells Al Sekle it's the mind shit conference. 261 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,720 He says it's it was the worst thing that the Epstein 262 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:35,440 Foundation has ever funded and he's complaining as this 263 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,920 fictitious woman, even though it the e-mail has all the spelling 264 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,920 errors that Epstein includes, it has all the grammatical errors 265 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,240 that Epstein, it's obviously Jeffrey Epstein. 266 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,440 Alseckel actually responds and says, I'm not an idiot. 267 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,760 I know that this is you Jeff. To which to which Jeffrey 268 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,720 Epstein does not respond, but one of the important little 269 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,240 tidbits in this angry rambling e-mail that he sends to Al Sekhl 270 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,080 is Reichhardt was interesting, as was Brock. 271 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,480 So he mentions 2 names as people he enjoyed and thought they had 272 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:18,440 a interesting presentation during this conference that he 273 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,640 hated. And very quickly after that, 274 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:26,960 which takes place in January of 2011, Brock Pierce and Jeffrey 275 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Epstein start to become pretty close. 276 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,880 And so this conference is like the main connection we knew of 277 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,720 between Jeffrey Epstein and Brock Pierce before this recent 278 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,040 release of the Files. That was the thing people would 279 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,280 always point to to be like, no, Brock Pierce didn't just have 280 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,000 these problems when he was younger. 281 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,640 He's still actively choosing to associate with pedophiles. 282 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,600 And so from that e-mail, like you said, they became good 283 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,440 friends and they start to financially collaborate, it 284 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,360 seems like Pierce asks Epstein for his advice on a bunch of the 285 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,440 legal and financial situations he repeatedly finds himself in. 286 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,640 Yeah, they're not necessarily doing business together yet, but 287 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,839 Brock Pierce is asking for advice. 288 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:15,520 It seems like Jeffrey Epstein's also occasionally reaching out 289 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,359 to ask questions about cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin and 290 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,520 and stuff like that. So, so a relationship begins 291 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,319 where they're at least asking each other questions about 292 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,360 finance and cryptocurrencies, and that's when things begin to 293 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:35,160 get really weird and gross. I want to say none of what we're 294 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,920 suggesting here is proof of any crime. 295 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,560 And I suspect, though, Brock Pierce has not responded, at 296 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,160 least as of recording. Brock Pierce has not responded 297 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,480 to protos. He has not put out any messages. 298 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,280 There's no PR about this. He's just stayed silent. 299 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,440 So no one has heard anything from him. 300 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:59,000 It's worth saying none of what we're sharing here is 301 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,720 necessarily criminal. It just looks weird and gross 302 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,720 and disgusting. OK, so that that's the preface. 303 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,960 Sorry, Bennett, What? What do they start talking about 304 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,600 after they've done a little bit of discussion of business, 305 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:19,680 finance and cryptocurrency? As we said, Brock reaches out to 306 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:25,480 see what Jeffrey Epstein thinks about a fund Clear Stone Group 307 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,960 is putting together. That's the gaming venture 308 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,840 capital fund that we mentioned that Brock was involved with. 309 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,360 Then they will eventually engage in some business transactions 310 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,400 together. But before those business 311 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:44,000 transactions, there's a series of strange and uncomfortable 312 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:53,400 emails where they seem to be discussing women in some unusual 313 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:59,000 and uncomfortable manners. Like there is one e-mail where 314 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,400 Jeffrey Epstein is talking about these people who are in LA 315 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,680 encouraging Brock to go meet up with these people. 316 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,440 He tells Brock don't bring your girlfriend to this. 317 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,760 And Brock responds will do. Broke up with my girlfriend last 318 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,280 night so that won't be a problem. 319 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,000 And then later after this meeting Brock says I had a great 320 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,000 time with the girls. Hope they had fun too. 321 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,400 Thanks. Best regards. 322 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:31,360 Now, like a little weird considering who's involved. 323 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,720 Yeah criminal. No, definitely not right that 324 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,280 like it's innocuous enough. There's just some back and 325 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,280 forths about some women. Every every man has talked about 326 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,440 women in term if like every I guess I'll say every straight 327 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,520 man has at least had a conversation with their friend 328 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,600 about like, hey, I think this girl would be great for you or 329 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,840 something. And it's like OK, yeah, I'll 330 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,960 meet up with her. This could literally be 331 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,920 something like that, right? Except there's 2 girls named. 332 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,600 The whole thing is weird. I'm going to be honest. 333 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,400 It's very strange actually. Most people don't do this. 334 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,400 Well, especially most people don't do this like once they're 335 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,720 adults. Like when you're a 7th grader 336 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,040 and you're insecure, you'll be talking to your buddies and be 337 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,200 like, oh, what do you think about so and so or whatever. 338 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,920 But like, the older you get, the more you, like, understand that 339 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,880 these people are humans and you should engage with them, like, 340 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,680 as a human being and not as, like, object for your play. 341 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,320 So yeah, there's those emails you talked about. 342 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,720 There's another e-mail where Jeffrey Epstein talks about his 343 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,120 new Russian in LA that he wants Brock to meet up with. 344 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,360 And man, that's a sentence that has a lot of possible 345 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:46,200 implications, very few of which we can definitively say. 346 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:51,200 Yeah, very, very strange. My new Russian is in Lai. 347 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,440 OK, I don't know what that means. 348 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,920 How many Russians do you have, Epstein? 349 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,160 Anyway, there's. 1. At least one, Yeah. 350 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,480 There's another one after that where Brock Pierce is telling 351 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,640 Epstein that he knows a girl in New York. 352 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,720 So this is, and I just want to clarify because this is Epstein 353 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,720 says, hey, I have a Russian in LA, can you meet up with her? 354 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,440 And Brock says, Oh yeah, I think so. 355 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,600 And then he doesn't, he isn't able to meet up with this, this 356 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,600 Russian girl. And he's, and he says like, oh, 357 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,800 sorry, I, I, I couldn't meet up with this Russian girl. 358 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,080 But also, I have a girl for you in New York. 359 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,240 Brock gives Jeffrey Epstein the name of this woman and 360 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,400 encourages Jeffrey Epstein to check her Facebook, to which 361 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Jeffrey Epstein responds cute, which is uncomfortable and 362 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,040 unpleasant in light of the broad context we all know about these 363 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,080 individuals. And again, nothing criminal 364 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,640 here, just very strange stuff. Not necessarily. 365 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Criminal together, at least. Now. 366 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,240 But now is when it starts to get really, really weird in my 367 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,680 opinion. And this is when I start to 368 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,360 wonder. I think at worst, what we've 369 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:14,600 seen so far is who who knows what the worst possible, who 370 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,600 knows what the worst possible thing is that we've seen so far. 371 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,880 But I will say that the emails don't present anything that you 372 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,080 could be like that. You could definitively be like, 373 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,880 oh, I know what's going on there. 374 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,080 The next ones I would say are a little bit more telling. 375 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,960 Becomes harder to come up with innocuous explanations for some 376 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,800 of these emails. That's correct. 377 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:47,120 In August of 2012, Brock Pierce says, currently in Moscow. 378 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:52,600 Next stop Kiev and then Odessa, to which Epstein responds. 379 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,680 Take photos and find me a present. 380 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,520 Brock Pierce replies to that with will do :). 381 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,040 That's gross. But more gross and more telling 382 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,720 is that three days after that, Brock Pierce sends Jeffrey 383 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,560 Epstein 30 plus images of a girl named Anastasia. 384 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,680 And he says at the bottom of this e-mail, the Ukraine is now 385 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,720 my favorite country :). I also want to make sure 386 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,680 everyone understand it's not the Ukraine, it's Ukraine that is a 387 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,040 Russian way of discussing Ukraine is to call it the 388 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,800 Ukraine. So he talks like a Russian. 389 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:41,480 He behaves like a weird creep and he's taking pictures of 390 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,880 women and sending them along to Jeffrey Epstein for reasons 391 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,280 undefined, I guess. Yes. 392 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:53,120 And again, just to preempt any of the lawyers who might be 393 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:59,960 watching this, there are some plausibly not illegal reasons 394 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,480 that I guess Brock Pierce would be sharing these pictures. 395 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,640 Even if that those reasons might be immoral, perhaps they're not 396 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,920 illegal, but so yeah, we see this part of their relationship 397 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,120 where they discuss women and things like that. 398 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,400 Well, I want to add one last thing to this part that wasn't 399 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,040 actually included in our article. 400 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,320 This is something and we'll hopefully we'll in our show 401 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,240 notes. You can we'll link to the 402 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,760 coffee. Zilla or Voidzilla I guess is 403 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,520 the channel Voidzilla video where he discusses some of the 404 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,200 stuff he's found. Something that Epstein seems to 405 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,280 do regularly is have people go around globetrotting for him 406 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:49,000 taking pictures and finding women and then he gets visas 407 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,040 issued for them. Brock Pierce and Jeffrey Epstein 408 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:59,960 specifically talk about an, an E5B visa or an EB5, sorry, EB5 409 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:03,960 visa. And that is for someone, if they 410 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,240 spend $1,000,000 starting a business, they're allowed to get 411 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:10,320 a temporary residence here in America. 412 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,840 So why are Brock Pearson Epstein getting visas for people? 413 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Again, unclear, undefined. We don't know. 414 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,600 I don't know who knows? We just, you know, it seems very 415 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,160 strange. It, it's, it's not elite. 416 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,120 Nothing, nothing illegal. You know, as you said, don't 417 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,920 want lawyers breathing down our neck, but I just wanted to add 418 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,160 that little tidbit to this set of affairs that transpired. 419 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,840 We'll come back to some of their financial dealings, but I 420 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,680 actually want to jump ahead a little bit to Susie or Little 421 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Sue Cass. Can you just talk briefly about 422 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,240 the relationship between Pierce, Epstein and Sue? 423 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,000 It's a very, very strange set of circumstances. 424 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,880 So that first, the first time due to terrible redaction by the 425 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,560 Department of Justice, which they've gone ahead and already 426 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,520 taken back thousands of files. We know that so far they're 427 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,320 probably going to have to take back way more. 428 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:17,000 They did a really terrible job of redacting. 429 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,880 And so we know the names of some of the people mentioned in like 430 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,680 the previous emails that we discussed. 431 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,400 The. The first time that women were 432 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,880 sent to see Brock Pierce, one of them was this woman named Sue. 433 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,520 Sue comes up a lot in Epstein's emails. 434 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,080 I don't know if she's an assistant. 435 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,120 I don't know if she's an assistant slash something else. 436 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,520 It sure feels that way. But Brock Pierce continues to 437 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,600 see Susie often, regularly. The relationship continues for 438 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,920 years and years and years. And as that relationship 439 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,680 continues, Dean starts to get pretty involved in the in their 440 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,280 relationship, which is again, very odd to me that Epstein 441 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,200 cares. Like he he asks, are you being 442 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,480 faithful to Susie? Are you being faithful to Sue? 443 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,120 He tells Joy Ito, for instance, Oh, Brock Pierce's little Sue's 444 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,840 boyfriend. He'll e-mail Brock and say like, 445 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,200 Hey, it's Sue's birthday. And he's like, Oh my God, thank 446 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,840 you for telling me. I got AI got a message. 447 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,200 No, no, no, don't you know you figured it out on your own? 448 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Very, very, very weird stuff. But as this relationship 449 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:39,480 continues, by 2018, so now Brock Pierce is known Epstein for 450 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,520 seven years. By 2018, Brock Pierce is married 451 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:49,600 to a woman named Crystal Rose. And yet he sends Jeffrey Epstein 452 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,280 an e-mail in January of 2018 saying I'm ready to marry Sue, 453 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,400 though I'll have two wives going to attempt to thread that needle 454 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,520 over the next few days with Crystal. 455 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,760 I don't know if he tried to attempt that to he attempted to 456 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,840 thread that needle actually with Crystal Rose, or this was 457 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,600 something he was just saying to Epstein because he wanted 458 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,360 Epstein to think, yeah, I'm still interested in Sue or 459 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,960 Susie. I have no idea what happened 460 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,640 with this, but that's polygamy, and polygamy is illegal in 461 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,560 America. Maybe he meant it in some 462 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,160 spiritual way. I don't know. 463 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,680 And I don't know how Sue felt about it, and I don't know how 464 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Crystal Rose felt about it. But I know that he's laying it 465 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,760 out in plain English that his plan is to marry for the second 466 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,520 time this woman who was introduced to him by Jeffrey 467 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,880 Epstein. I don't think anyone knows what 468 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,200 happened with that. I'm actually not even 100% 469 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,080 positive that Brock is like married to Crystal in a way that 470 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,720 the legal system recognizes. I know it's a smart contract 471 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,920 marriage or something. I don't. 472 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,520 Yeah, I don't know what that means. 473 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,720 That's not really the point. I think this more just points to 474 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,320 the degree of intimacy between Brock Pierce and Jeffrey Epstein 475 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,760 where they are like discussing these intimate personal 476 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600 relationships. Brock seems to have some amount 477 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,640 of romantic connection to this person who's clearly in Jeffrey 478 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,840 Epstein's orbit. And like, it is weird to see 479 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,680 them so casually discuss so much of this kind of thing when we 480 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,720 all know, and Brock should have known, that one of the people 481 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,320 involved in this conversation is a pedophile. 482 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,520 That's right, That's right. And I want to add, you and I are 483 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:50,240 both married, and it seems so cavalier to discuss somebody who 484 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:56,240 you've promised you're going to be with for the rest of your 485 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,000 lives as though it's like a game or something. 486 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,720 Like it's like, clearly the idea of marriage doesn't actually 487 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,360 matter to Brock Pierce. There's just some weird reason 488 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,320 that he feels like he's ready to marry Sue. 489 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,360 Like, why do you need to have two wives? 490 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,160 Why can't you just be happy dating? 491 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,240 Like, if you want to be polyamorous, fine. 492 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,880 I like, that's fine. I don't care. 493 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,160 But like the way that he's so cavalier, the condescending 494 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,760 attitude, the way that he's treating women and talking about 495 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,440 women, it's disturbing. It's disgusting and it's 496 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,360 bizarre. Like, I can't imagine, even if I 497 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,840 got into a massive fight with my wife, I would not talk about her 498 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,960 this way. It's really, really strange. 499 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,360 It suggests that a very basic level Epstein and his friends 500 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480 may not have been upstanding men. 501 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,440 Yeah, surprise, surprise. Returning to the business 502 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,320 relationship between these two, we talked briefly about how 503 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,160 Pierce asked for Jeffrey Epstein's advice on this Clear 504 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,320 Stone Gaming fund. There was also Brock Pierce 505 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,200 before it's collapse. Brock Pierce let Jeffrey Epstein 506 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,200 know he was thinking about purchasing Mt Gox, then the 507 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,880 largest Bitcoin exchange. And this is a thing that Pierce 508 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,920 would keep trying to do. He did it with Sunlot Holdings, 509 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400 which he did in collaboration with John Betts. 510 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,320 He did it with Gox Rising, which it was never clear where the 511 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,120 money for Gox Rising was coming from, but that was another 512 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,240 attempt of Brock Pierce to revive Mount Cox. 513 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,920 There's other weird conversations like Epstein 514 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,000 speaking to Bill Gross of Idealab where he talked about a 515 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,360 cryptocurrency that Brock Pierce had pitched him. 516 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,320 It's a little bit hard to tell from the description, but it 517 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560 might be an early version of Tether. 518 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720 It seems to more be like an algorithmic stable coin, but 519 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,440 there's perhaps that was the germination of Tether. 520 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,600 The story of Tether is kind of weird when you go back to like 521 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,240 the pre real coin days and a lot of the master coin people who 522 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,320 were involved in it said that like it was over a year from 523 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,840 like its initial conception, which would put it around the 524 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,240 time this e-mail was sent to the time they were actually ready to 525 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280 launch. It is real coin in the summer of 526 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,520 2014. So that e-mail was sent in may 527 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,320 of 2013 around when the real coin slash tether founders said 528 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,280 they started thinking about this project. 529 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:41,600 There's also Brock Pierce asked Jeffrey Epstein to look over a 530 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,120 NASDAQ agreement related to what was then Noble Markets, which 531 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,280 was then a cryptocurrency exchange. 532 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,960 It became, like we mentioned at the beginning of this episode, 533 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,320 an international financial entity called Noble Bank, which 534 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,680 for a brief period was Tethers primary tether to the banking 535 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,800 system. Yeah. 536 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,920 As to be. Clear Noble Bank was not a bank, 537 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,960 even though it called itself bank, which I think in the 538 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,200 states is illegal. You can't do that. 539 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,360 But maybe they have different rules and regulations about IFES 540 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,880 in Puerto Rico. It's also been softened up a bit 541 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,120 in the States. That's why you see like like 542 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,240 things like Chime, like Walmart's banking thing. 543 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,960 Chime advertise itself is like banking done different, even 544 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,880 though it's a fintech and it's not a bank. 545 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200 Like there have been some changes in the advertising 546 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,600 rules, letting fintechs advertise their services as 547 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,720 banking even though they're not banks. 548 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,520 I think that's a bad choice, but they don't let me make 549 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,600 regulations. A lot of coiners are quite happy 550 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,680 about that. Anyways, I think one of the most 551 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520 fascinating business transactions between these two 552 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,240 is the Coinbase Investment. Could you talk to us a little 553 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,280 bit about the Coinbase Investment cast? 554 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,000 Oh man, the Coinbase investment is so fascinating and and gross 555 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,040 to me. Basically we talked about this, 556 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,360 Bennett mentioned this at the at the top, but basically these two 557 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,520 brothers Bradford and Bart Stevens have a cryptocurrency 558 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,000 partners to LP that they begin in collaboration with Brock 559 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,159 Pierce and Brock Pierce decides to bring Jeffrey Epstein into 560 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,400 this fund. It's unclear every investment 561 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,960 made in this fund. I'm unsure and unclear if 562 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,239 Epstein put other capital into this fund or if there were other 563 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,440 investments made, but the one investment we know for sure that 564 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,080 Epstein contributed to was that he dumped $3,000,000 into this 565 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,840 fund so that they can make a coin base investment. 566 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:49,280 I think a lot of people, myself included, until relatively 567 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,600 recently figured that if there's going to be a Bermuda based like 568 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:59,480 corporation or you know, that there's ways to hide identity so 569 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,440 that not every business necessarily knows who's 570 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,200 investing money into their business. 571 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,720 But it turns out that's not necessarily true because as 572 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,840 Coinbase is closing this round, it suddenly Brock Pierce is 573 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,840 like, hey, if we want to do this, we got to do it right now. 574 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,200 Jeffrey, do you want to do this? And he's, Jeffrey says yes, of 575 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,040 course, yeah, I want to put $3,000,000 into Coinbase. 576 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:31,360 And Pierce then states, OK, well, the only issue is if you 577 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,000 really want to do this, I have to tell the founders who you 578 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,400 are. He invested, he got he made the 579 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,400 investment. We know there's proof that he 580 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,400 got a cash out from this, which we can get into, I don't know 581 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,200 later if we want to or now, but he absolutely made this 582 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:56,480 investment which suggests not no, proves for a fact that Fred, 583 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,760 I don't know how to say his last name, Ursum, Fred Ursum and 584 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,640 Brian Armstrong knew that Jeffrey Epstein was dumping 585 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,640 $3,000,000 into Coinbase. Let's be real, Coinbase was not 586 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,920 hard up at this point. They didn't they? 587 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,800 They didn't need the $3,000,000 from Jeffrey Epstein. 588 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,480 They took it and the reason they took it is because they thought 589 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,960 that no one would know that Jeffrey Epstein invested in 590 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,040 Coinbase. Thankfully, we have certifiable 591 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,200 proof that not only did Jeffrey Epstein invest in Coinbase, they 592 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,840 knew that he invested. They knew that a pedophile who 593 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,920 had been arrested in 2008 for procuring a minor for 594 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,560 prostitution was going to invest in their company and they were a 595 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,680 OK with that. To me, that is that's that. 596 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,640 It's not just bad as in you. I don't like that. 597 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,960 It's bad risk management. Seriously. 598 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,720 This was one of the most surprising things that you came 599 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,960 across when you were making this article because I, like you, 600 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,400 always assumed that most of the people who were receiving 601 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,000 Jeffrey Epstein investments had some pastiche of plausible 602 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040 deniability. But here we have Coinbase 1 603 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,560 surprisingly doing due diligence and two doing the due diligence 604 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,800 and then being like Jeffrey Epstein, yes, he passes our due 605 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,720 diligence bar. Like the truly stunning thing 606 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,160 about it for me was that what name would they have rejected? 607 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,000 Who could Brock Pierce have gone back to those founders with said 608 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,960 the name And they would have been like, Oh no, we can't take 609 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,920 that money because Jeffrey Epstein apparently doesn't reach 610 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,880 that standard. And incredibly disturbing. 611 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:51,880 I think that kind of points to how willing so many of these 612 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,160 people, so many of these entities were to ignore such 613 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:02,880 atrocities as long as they remained like connected to these 614 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,440 centers of power and influence. And that for so many of these 615 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,320 men, it's a lot of men in here, it's like they'll overlook 616 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,400 anything if it means they have just this much more marginal 617 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,480 access to, like, power or influence. 618 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,600 And that seems to have been like a huge portion of Jeffrey 619 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,400 Epstein's like game he was playing here is he did his very 620 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,240 best to cultivate as many of those relationships as possible 621 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,800 and then dangled these relationships kind of like in 622 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640 front of these other people for access. 623 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,240 Like one of the other emails you found was one where Rock Pierce 624 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,960 was asking Jeffrey Epstein for an introduction to Larry 625 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,920 Summers, another well known Epstein associate who all over 626 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,200 these files is like asking Jeffrey Epstein for romantic 627 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,320 advice as he debates whether or not he has like a 70 year old 628 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,720 man or whatever should pursue one of his grad students who's 629 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,960 in his seminar. God, I hate Larry Summers. 630 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,560 That's not the point of this episode. 631 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440 But like. So much of Epstein's role was in 632 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,680 acting as like this way to facilitate those kind of high 633 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,440 power, high influence, high status relationships between 634 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,920 these people, and that because these people so desperately 635 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,840 wanted to maintain that access, they could overlook any amount 636 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,920 of child rape. It couldn't possibly put it 637 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,480 better. And I think that is that is a 638 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,280 perfect segue actually into exactly the next topic, which is 639 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,640 that it turns out Brock Pierce introduced and this is going to 640 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,920 have ramifications for the rest of the world and everyone who 641 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,320 lives in it. Brock Pierce introduces Jeffrey 642 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,800 Epstein to Steve Bannon and just I like I think most people are 643 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,560 familiar with Steve Bannon. He's an evil man. 644 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,360 He's a chaos agent. I don't know what else to call 645 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,240 him other than someone who. Similar to like, Peter Thiel 646 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,200 wants to see the world burn because he thinks it will be 647 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,480 profitable for him. And I don't even know if he 648 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,240 would deny any of what I just said. 649 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,400 I think he would be fine with that description. 650 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,560 These ramifications to me are quite powerful because Steve 651 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,840 Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein become very good friends very, 652 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,160 very quickly. Epstein calls him a pretty smart 653 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,040 puppet master. And at the time of Jeffrey 654 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:35,880 Epstein's death, Steve Bannon was in the process of creating a 655 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,680 documentary that it seems, though again, we're speculating 656 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:46,200 a little bit here, it seems, was kind of meant to slot Jeffrey 657 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:54,040 Epstein into the same kind of right wing eccentric who may 658 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,400 have done some sex crimes space that like Peter Thiel often 659 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600 fills nowadays. I mean, everyone's seen it. 660 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,800 There's a picture of Steve Bannon and Jeffrey Epstein 661 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,720 taking a selfie together and in front of a mirror. 662 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,840 Like these guys became really good friends. 663 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:16,240 And, and I think it's, it's fair to say that Steve Bannon 664 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000 probably influenced Jeffrey Epstein, but I think Jeffrey 665 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,920 Epstein also influence Steve Bannon and a lot of the 666 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,480 despicable, disgusting missions he's accomplished, whether it be 667 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,640 through the Trump administration or otherwise. 668 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,000 I, I assume some of those ideas came from Jeffrey Epstein. 669 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,200 So I, I mean, I think, I think this is probably the most 670 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,320 damaging for, for the rest of us, this is the, one of the more 671 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,480 damaging relationships that occurs just based on the level 672 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,080 of influence that Steve Bannon has at the time and who he 673 00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,840 knows, right? So I, I, I, I look at this and 674 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,720 it, it freaks me out. I don't know how to say it 675 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,520 otherwise. It freaks me out that they were 676 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,680 besties. Part of my difficulty in 677 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,920 discussing some parts of these files is it is very easy. 678 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,960 To sound like a conspiracy theorist, to sound like you're 679 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,800 describing a right wing conspiracy that cannot actually 680 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,080 exist, right that Bannon was so involved with like getting the 681 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,600 Brexit movement started. And then Peter Thiel and Jeffrey 682 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,160 Epstein are emailing each other to celebrate when Brexit passes. 683 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,360 And Bannon is doing this documentary for Epstein and 684 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:42,080 Epstein is convincing moot to reopen poll, which leads to like 685 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,040 Nick Fuentes and the gropers and a whole bunch of the like, all 686 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,000 right damage that they ended up doing. 687 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,920 And like, it is literally a right wing conspiracy. 688 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,640 And I think in some sense they've probably been more 689 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,440 successful than they imagined they would be when they were 690 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680 taking many of these individual actions. 691 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:10,840 But like, it is disturbing to see them so openly plot the 692 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,800 downfall of civilization effectively. 693 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:20,960 Like when Epstein is messaging Peter Thiel about Brexit. 694 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,440 Jeffrey Epstein says it's just the beginning. 695 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,760 And Peter Thiel is like the beginning of what? 696 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,040 And so Jeffrey Epstein is like the return to tribalism, amazing 697 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,600 new alliances. You and I both agreed 0 interest 698 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,360 rates were too high, which I don't know what he means by 699 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,000 that. He wanted negative interest 700 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:47,360 rates. Like, yeah, maybe he did right. 701 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,320 Maybe they really he had fully committed to Bitcoin at that 702 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,160 point. I I don't understand the 703 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,960 economics of what he's suggesting there to say 0 704 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,800 interest rates are too high like a. 705 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,160 Lot of people have pushed put forward the idea of negative 706 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,560 interest rates, you know. Sure. 707 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,880 And they're used sometimes. They're used sometimes, like the 708 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,880 European Commission uses them and the Bank of Japan has used 709 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,240 them at times. They are an important part of 710 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:22,280 modern central bank theory. However, generally you don't go 711 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,120 0 is too high. And there's, especially in the 712 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,240 United States, a lot of economists tend to think that 713 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:34,600 the long period of extended, very historically low interest 714 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,760 rates may have led to some malinvestment. 715 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,840 Broadly, like, like you're saying, it's just so unpleasant 716 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,800 to see like a pedophile at a center of a right wing 717 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,280 conspiracy to destroy so many of the institutions that are 718 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,480 important to our world, and they seem to be succeeding. 719 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's something I will say that as I 720 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,200 spent days and days and days going through the Epstein files 721 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,840 and, and I really do think if you have the stomach for it, I, 722 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,760 I urge people to look people up and try to at least like do 723 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,760 some. I'm not saying become a citizen 724 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,640 journalist. I don't want to push more people 725 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,400 to do that because a lot of people are terrible at doing 726 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,760 journalism and it makes it harder for anyone who's good at 727 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680 it. But I do think it's worth 728 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,720 looking at some of this stuff with your own eyes because it's 729 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:31,200 real. These are not conspiracy 730 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680 theories. Like, we have the information. 731 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,120 It's right there. It's from years ago. 732 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,040 This is not being changed and altered. 733 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,520 Outside of being redacted poorly, there is no conspiracy. 734 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,600 Jeffrey Epstein was human trafficking. 735 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:52,760 He was using the elites and rich people that he knew to help him 736 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:58,080 do human trafficking. The idea that there's old men 737 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,360 with money going around the world finding women and shipping 738 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,720 them off to an island, it sounds insane. 739 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,160 It sounds insane. It sounds like something someone 740 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,720 in a mental institution would say. 741 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,800 It sounds like the pizzagate nonsense, right? 742 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,640 Like the stuff Q Anon believed about cosmic pizza and stuff, 743 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,560 but like it's real happened. Yeah, it's real. 744 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:26,920 I and that's like, that is why I just want people. 745 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,560 I my, I can't tell you how many times I would be looking through 746 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,480 these files and my jaw would just drop and I would go no 747 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,120 fucking way. No way they're saying this shit 748 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,480 in an e-mail. No way you're taking notes on a 749 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,000 fucking criminal conspiracy. What are you doing? 750 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,560 We've had this discussion so many times. 751 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,840 The the it's I'm, you know, I'm glad they did it. 752 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,520 Because they're they're. All getting caught now, but 753 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:06,480 you'd think these powerful wealthy men would know better. 754 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,360 But this is they're doing something really stupid. 755 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,520 And I don't know what that says. I don't know what that says 756 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,680 about the world that we live in. I don't know what that says 757 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,160 about what the powerful and elites are actually like. 758 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,240 I don't you know, and obviously this isn't everyone. 759 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,920 This is like, you don't, you're not going to find every name in 760 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,040 here, but you're going to find a lot of them and a lot of them 761 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,080 were real chummy with him, including Brock Pierce. 762 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,960 So the final thing I want to say, and if you want to like do 763 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,600 you want to you, we can get into some of this other stuff. 764 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,200 But the real, the final thing I, I, I, I want to personally say 765 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,560 is that the most damning part about this, whether you want to 766 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,320 say nothing illegal is shown in the emails, nothing, nothing 767 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,320 criminal happened necessarily. Jeffrey Epstein was a known 768 00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:03,520 convicted pedophile in 2008. Everyone knew it was big news by 769 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,520 2010. Everyone and their mom knew 770 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,640 exactly who Jeffrey Epstein was and what he was accused of and 771 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,920 what he was convicted of. And yet Brock Pierce and a lot 772 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,840 of people like him chose to instead of distancing themselves 773 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,520 from him, instead of being like, oh that's a creep, I don't want 774 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,920 anything to do with him. They became his best friend. 775 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,080 Brock Pierce knew Jeffrey Epstein basically until the day 776 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,200 he got arrested again. They were sending emails back 777 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,320 and forth through 20198 years as best friends. 778 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,920 That says a lot about Brock Pierce, says a lot about him and 779 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,520 his character and what he cares about. 780 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,360 It's not good. None of this is good. 781 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,720 I don't care if it's illegal at this point, I I just don't care. 782 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,120 This is atomic reputational damage. 783 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,800 It should be. If it's not, if this guy is not 784 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,160 castigated and shunned for for what he's done, I don't know. 785 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,840 I don't know what we're doing. I agree. 786 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,120 I think the most damning thing about the files, like we've kind 787 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:24,040 of already said in this episode, is the fact that they expose the 788 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:32,560 broad willingness of so many people to continue to interface 789 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,560 with this pedophile, with this sexual predator. 790 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,800 And that's clearly Brock Pierce, right? 791 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,640 He becomes quite literally friends with him. 792 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,360 But I think it's also, like we have said, Coinbase, it's Brian 793 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,200 Armstrong and Fred Ersham. It is so many of these 794 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:58,480 individuals who do the due diligence who ask who is this 795 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,480 guy who looked this guy up and say, oh, OK, it was only one 796 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,840 time he got convicted of being a pedophile and decide it's 797 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,240 $3,000,000. I'm not going to say no to 798 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,680 $3,000,000. And in the process, by being 799 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,200 willing to accept this predator into their ranks, they further 800 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,480 enriched this pedophile. They provided him with more 801 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,680 connections, more opportunity, and more plausible deniability 802 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,760 because other people who were now being introduced to Epstein 803 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,720 saw him as already being friends and being connected with these 804 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,320 people. So new people were like, well, I 805 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,080 guess I don't have the full story. 806 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,240 All these other people surely must have the full story if they 807 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:42,080 think this is OK. And because of that, Epstein 808 00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,280 became richer, Epstein became more powerful, and Epstein 809 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,920 continued to be able to perpetrate sex crimes against 810 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,440 children for years. And that is in large part thanks 811 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,400 to people like Brock Pierce, thanks to people like Brian 812 00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,720 Armstrong, thanks to people like Fred Ersham. 813 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:05,720 Even if they never saw Epstein commit a single crime, knowing 814 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,000 he was the criminal and being able to see his game in that 815 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,640 way, they helped enrich and empower him. 816 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,920 A. 100, possibly over $100 million that Epstein earned from 817 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,720 that Coinbase investment base helped Jeffrey Epstein possibly 818 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:24,640 make over $100 million. That says everything, right? 819 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,560 And lastly, I know that cast coin is repeatedly mentioned in 820 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,040 the Epstein files, but.