Welcome back to finding the edge podcast.
I'm Garrett William joined with Robert Fry and Garrett Baker.
And today, we're going to talk about a good concept called good
Hearts law, which more or less is basically trying to
understand the fallacies of chasing a single metric.
I think this is this one of those topics.
Very pertinent to baseball. Especially, now we're, which
I've seen guys starting to really Chase metrics over the
game itself and how it actually. He plays within the game,
especially on the pitching side. At least I've seen that a good
bit where somebody sells out for a very specific metric and never
actually figures out, how that metric may help them in the
game, like, how that may actually help you get out.
And I think that's where that's where a lot of people could
potentially get lost within this whole thing.
They're valuable, but only when it actually brings you back to
the game. And so for me, like, I feel like
this fits really well with an ecological approach because to
me an ecological approach, helps us, stay focused on what is
important and what is The the lack of better term specifying
about like what it is that we're doing, that's actually going to
help us see the results or see what we do in practice
transferred to the field. And so that's why today I wanted
to go through this this tweet that I put out a long time ago
on good Hearts law. I do want to say for for
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So today's episode is a two-parter.
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talking about though, about good Hearts law.
What? What was it that you're talking
about? Even more recently in terms of
chasing metrics? I know we were talking about it
earlier, I mean, because I know for myself and this is what we
get into in the episode was just talking about bat speed like bat
speed is a metric that I think a lot of coaches Chase and I just
You know, I haven't seen necessarily a huge correlation
at least in some of the, the little bits of data that I've
collected. And so, to me, it's like, well,
what is the most important thing?
And to me it's like the ability to put the ball where you want
on the field. That's really what matters.
And so I mean the other thing too, and I think this is
something that I've been saying to more my players is like let
the ball. Be your feedback, you know
instead of looking at. Okay.
What's this metric? Like the ball is going to tell
you did you hit it while or did you not?
And so I think can't remember if we talked about in this this
episode or not but the whole idea of like the the world is
its own best model. Instead of trying to go off of
these models of you know this is the ideal bat speed and and not
saying that like these things aren't necessarily good but if
it Doesn't transfer like making sure what you're doing
transfers. If you're going to spend all
this time on it, you know, and then you don't see it show up on
the field. Then to me that in terms of
on-field performance, then to me, I think we wasted a lot of
the players valuable time. No you're I mean you're
absolutely right case. Then if you want to chase single
metric like bats. Now internally that person that
you think oh I just got to swim as fast as possible.
What holds that create. It doesn't just create possibly
more swing and miss. It could create just very
incorrect, imbalances within the swing itself and like you said,
like having the world can be your view or the field.
And the ball, whatever they creates that kind of that
autonomy. Where it's not exactly what you
want. You know, if it's like oh I
swung the bat fast. I'm good.
Or in terms of it, it'll affect your bed of all outcomes.
Sorry. What were you going to say
baker? No, I was just going to say, I
think this all kind of comes back to the idea of like your
action capabilities, are like how what you can actually do
versus like it actually being a skill.
I've talked to this with our guys about certain pitches like
we could get a really good metric for a specific pitch but
it's difference between like having a quote-unquote nasty
pitch and an actual skillful pitch in a pitch that's going to
play with in context and actually produce an outburst
just like one thing. I made Moves a lot more.
Yeah. No, now it's moving a ton more
which may potentially help us be get a lot more out.
But it only matters when it's in context and we're actually
skillful with that pitch because like I've seen people get a
really good metric with the pitch and never be able to
utilize it in a skillful way, within a game context and I
think understanding what pitches necessarily need to become a
little better. Which ones don't all rely on the
game not based on what output you may see unlike rhapsode or
trackman, I think is a decent place to look when you don't
have the game. And it's a good place when the
pitches and percent potentially working to look to to like okay
if I get it this in this direction it may potentially
open the game but it needs to work back all the way to that
like getting out within a game so I can prevent runs which I
know we go into the episode a little bit.
Hmm. And and I think to to kind of
build off of this like even where we are right now in our
offseason phase like I've and I think this this actually came up
in one of the One of Rob, Gray's recent episodes in terms of
like, specificity, like how specific or game like does it
need to be. And I think there are times
where you can just build or try to build a little bit of like
capabilities action Cape, is it actually capabilities or was it
that you take your, we're talking about this but nobody
wants to us saying there's, there's a difference between
like skill ability, really? Yes skill and ability, right?
So like just the ability to express.
Press raw power. Like I think there's time to do
that and so right now like we're hitting reading off a machine,
that's just basically all fastballs, but it's but it's
such that guys can actually hit it and then learn how to
generate a ton of force into a baseball using a bat.
And so, you know, that's how well that transfers will depend
upon. Once you put somebody in there
was actually trying to get them out throwing different pitches.
That'll be Be kind of the test as to whether or not this
transfers but increasing their ability to act like contact the
ball with more Force, you know. Sometimes you actually have to
simplify the task more so that they're able to actually focus
on that thing. And so that's where, you know,
to me it's there's a time and place, right?
Like you were talking about for working on like the metrics or
whatever in order for you to be able to For example bro, some
sort of other pitch, you may need to do it in a stripped-down
context where you're just exploring with the ball and
you're just seeing what type of movement can you put on that
ball and then eventually you do need to go out and test it
against a resisting opponent or a like an actual batter who's
trying to hit that ball and then see how does how do batters
react to that pitch? Think that's so I think it just
kind of depends where you are. You know like I think back to
like pictures playing catch it was that place where you'd mess
around and just see how you can get the ball to move before you
had cameras. And now I think the cameras
help, guys who had less feel and less ability to kind of explore,
give them more feedback as to far as how are they interacting
with that ball? And so I mean I've seen it at
least with our guys with what our pitching coach is doing like
having that visual information and using rep.
So do to help guys understand How they're interacting with the
ball, then helps them like, you can just take it to the next
level of exploration in terms of like, okay, if I start messing
with this, and, and with this feel, like how is it?
How my now, interacting with that bowl and then you actually
can see how you're actually now, interacting with it and being
like, well, why isn't this, why isn't this moving the way that I
want it to? And then actually seeing like,
oh, I'm not actually getting my fingers or my hand to that spot.
So I feel like that's important to throw out. you know, I don't
know what your thoughts are Baker on that as far as having a
lot of the The game like information or constraints
pulled out of the, the training environment.
But that's that to me, is where I'm kind of curious your
thoughts, because we very much gone on that all, we want to
have all these game like constraints for information
sources present in the practice environment.
Yeah, for sure. And I think, I think it also
depends on different time scales, like, where we are in
the season 2 is like there's like right now, we're not going
to get hurt. So like if we're going to we're
going to look somewhere one, like we have a general idea of
what metrics May potentially help you get out and like,
that's going to be in a stripped-down setting because
one, like, if you're going to go explore in some ways, I think
you can still be fairly representative in Explorer.
But in certain time specially like pictures, like they're not
overly comfortable just like ripping on new grip but the dude
standing down there like and batter's box, right?
So like taking taking that out, may allow them and See them up
to now, go exploring different ways and I think it's actually
really cool concept is using that kind of data and exploring
with that to learn how to manipulate the ball and like,
see, okay, if I do this, this happens like this is now, I get
this much movement this way or that much movement that way or
even you can take in. And I know I played with this
concept like like having guys explore all different ways to
move the ball like alright. I'm going to try to make you
have more vertical depth. All right, now I'm going to try
to make more horizontal on this one and like now you're becoming
a ER, manipulator the ball. May not be your ideal pitch
based on Your Arsenal, but like, it's hard to not have pitches
when you know, how to do everything to the baseball.
And I think that's almost like a little Yu Darvish in a way as
you Darvish like as a Litany of pitches.
And I think he just explores and creates an almost has like
different variations of his stuff and I think he can Mash
that to the context a little bit which is kind of a cool way to
kind of think about pitching to. But yeah, I think it is
important to take himself out of context at times too.
To explore in. Potentially find something else
you could use with n again. But you have to keep it in the
idea of like it. We want to use this in a game
context, that's what we're going towards.
Not just a metric. Like we're still trying to get
out. I think keeping that in mind is
really important but you can take it out of context if you
keep that in mind that the whole point is to bring back in a
context, that's it. Yeah, and the way that I've
been, I was kind of thinking about this is that at least,
especially for pitchers the way they kind of want to approach
this as kind of the same way that a median approaches like
their craft, like, you develop, all these different sort of
jokes or pitches. And then when you go out and
then like, you get get some sort of hitters or some hitters to
stand in. And you now start utilizing
those and seeing which, which one's land, which one's actually
are deceptive, which Ins do they hit?
Well, which types of guys hit these balls.
Well, you know, which ones does this?
Actually, this pitch perform well against like it.
And so, to me, it's just like a comic, will go out early and
just like tell a whole bunch of different jokes and then see
which one's land with crowd. And then those are the ones who
runs with. And so, to me, that's that's how
pictures should approach the kind of their development of
like, okay, when you get into this part of the offseason,
which we're most guys are now with getting into of November,
December January. And they're not, they're very in
the kind of the early stages of the offseason or starting to get
but ramp back up. Now, start playing with a bunch
of different pitches and doing pitch design and see how many
different pitches you can come up with.
And then once you have a bunch of different pitches you go go
use them against batters and then start paring down and
finding out which one's actually are ones that you can use
effectively to get hitters out or to make hitters miss or get
weak contact. Yeah, for sure.
And I think there's times where you can even like, I've seen
this utilize a lot. I don't know if it's always
utilizing the right way and I think this works dangerous, but
you can have potentially like knowing there's a specific
metric that you like, we know has worked for certain pictures,
like a few get this to happen. Like you're probably going to
have some success, but it's still probably and we still need
to see that within context and like, as long as the focus is
not like the end goal is just a metric like that is A capability
that may potentially take us to be able to get out a little
easier if my slider does this, or my slider gets this kind of
spin in this kind of movement, right?
So that's that's the thing, where I think a lot of people
chase that but if that's all you chase and you're trying to force
yourself down it, if you if you can't possibly do it and you
can't find a way to do it. Like, constantly trying to go
after and go after and changing yourself to do it.
Like I may not be the best for you.
It may not be the best authentic version of yourself, if you
Screaming yourself into a metric.
I guess just seen guys, just go all out for a metric and then
like actually create a worse version of themself because like
they just thought this metric, we work better with what?
Their Arsenal, it didn't necessarily work, sometimes it
does. But sometimes it doesn't and
finding just like, hey, what's my best way to get out, what's a
potential way for me to open up my Arsenal and then bring it
into the game contacts and find that out.
And I think we need to think I've seen a trend slightly in
this direction, but we need to test that earlier on and the off
season like For sure and I think that's that's one thing I've
been encouraged by looking at there's a lot more live at bats
going on and stuff like that but like as long as we're doing that
I think you'll be in a decent shape when you're when you're
thinking D contextualize work as long as we're like, our goal is
to get there to the context as quick as we can.
Robert. What do you got?
Any thoughts on on this so far? And, and how we can utilize, how
can we better utilize metrics for the Devore Player
Development, and harness the analytics, that that that is now
becoming much more prevalent or prevalent within within the game
of baseball. I mean, especially at the pro
level but I think it's also trickling like the findings at
the pro level are trickling down to, you know, at least a college
if not high. Cool.
Yeah, so I think the biggest thing is there just seems to be
a level of Education to these kids pairs.
Again, if you're chasing one metric, there's a lot of
downsides. Oh, I want my regular to have
this or you know like if someone goes to a certain event and said
and they find out that their spin rate is 3,000 RPMs, What is
what is that mean? Oh, I have a great breaking
ball. I'm gonna start throwing well.
May, you know, just because you have 3000 RPMs like everything
to have a great breaking ball and that's why I wouldn't bring
up like spin rate hits couple of years ago at the MLB level.
Like, they were like, you know, that's the next big thing had a
nice dinner, but it turns out that there, isn't that
relationship from spin to movement, it can Aid movement at
then once they remove the sticky stuff, it's like, it doesn't
necessarily make that huge of a difference.
I think the biggest thing, it's just education being willing to
challenge and of theories, being one of challenge, your own
theories. There has to be times where it's
like okay, you know, I believe in this.
But what if we leave it this to like, oh, you know, I'm a
proponent of fats. Well, what if we look at that
speed parrot to back to Boston. Or what if we look at that
speed, Barrett, two swings things like that.
Do you know, have is anybody actually done that?
Looking at bat speed relative to bat ball skills can because that
is literally the argument that most people make for why more
bat speed, if you have more bat speed, you have more time to see
the ball and if you have more time to see the ball, then you
can hit it, you'll have better chance of hitting it or you and
I mean, in theory that kind of makes sense.
But I also see it as being Got better bat speed.
You may just swing through the Zone faster and so your ability
to adjust to the ball. You're just going to be on and
off the ball faster. Like I don't know.
That to me seems to be like one of the one of the possible
solutions as well. Like does is that having that
definitely improves the The action capabilities of the of
the person, or what's the snot? It's kind of like degree is
degrees of freedom Baker. You're more in this world than I
am right now in terms of all the terminology.
So you have action capabilities and then you have your degrees
of freedom that are based upon, you know what I mean?
Like so like now that you have basically another degree of
Freedom here like you have more to work with, I think I'm
talking about action capabilities, right, right.
Yeah, I'm Yeah. Swing from the more you have
more tools basically, in your tool, belt to, like, work with.
Yeah. And I think broader range?
Yeah, I think it goes. Goes back to like the idea if I
swing faster then I can technically wait longer
supposedly, it's a pickup more information and there may be
more affordances in the in the environment for me to act upon
because I could wait later. Well, that's true or not.
I don't, I don't necessarily think.
I mean, it very simply seemed, right?
Right. I can wait longer so I can see
the ball more. I'm less susceptible to Like
seeing break or seeing break to not seeing break or like not,
like, tunneling. Fooling me, like, I know that's
what Rob gray was talking about one of his recent podcasts, but
yeah, I don't know. I don't know if there's been
studies that actually proved that, or it's just like simple
thinking, because it makes sense, like, buying swing faster
I can technically wait, longer, so I can get more information,
which may open up other possibilities.
I would not have seen to act upon if I had been had the swing
sooner, you know, right? And then there's that.
There's that side of it too because I know in my antenna
Quincy. I never.
Kind of put this before wish both something.
I observed, this is just an observation.
And again, take the take this with what you go, but whenever I
would see bad speech go up. Typically the on plant
efficiency blast, they do but go down.
So let's say, you know, players whenever players average mass
meetings around 65 miles an hour with blast is on playing
efficiency was 70. Is a good good way to look at
it. If you're bad is playing seven
percent through the swing. But when they would go up to say
70 miles an hour, it took we drop the like 65 or 67.
It was just an observation. The problem was like we couldn't
use blasted and so you don't really know the effect.
Yeah, some of those teams that have been like, because I've
seen, I mean, I've seen some some D1 teams with guys up to
bat with the last sensors on. And so I think it'd be
interesting to see what those there's numbers are.
I mean, in the same way, it would be interesting to see if
there's any correlation between increased bat speed and contact
ability. I mean, you'd have to get the
right sample or sample population. to get some good
numbers, but That you could actually draw some good
conclusions from because obviously if you, if you're
comparing like guys, that are throwing 74, you know, Hitting
off of guys, throw in 74 is not the same of talking about guys.
Trying to hit off guys, throwing 85 or even 90 plus.
So it's much too much, a different thing.
Well, yeah. And like the those side of it
too is like to your point, like, when you have differences in be
low like Sometimes players will with a slower picture will like
drop me like oh I'm going to hit this as far as I can, it's when
this part again, usually what happens when they spin the tires
and they everything goes out the window, like, they're bad
smelling plane. And if it got in that exact team
tiny spot but they didn't because they're just books about
trying as hard as I can. Well, I mean, I wonder how much
that changes your ability to connect with the information?
Yeah, it's a good point and that's really the point.
I think. Yes.
What do you when you sacrifice just to swing harder?
I think that's in, that's an interesting because I think that
you can bring into pitching to, it's like Jeff's to throw
harder. What are you sacrificing?
As I remember when I was just in, I still like well, again
Mound occasional. Like, when I'm just trying to
throw as hard as I possibly can. Like, there's a batter standing
there, but like, I'm not connected to anything about
them. Like Just throwing the ball
towards home and like I'm hoping I blow the pitch by this guy and
I remember doing that, like I was literally remember like
there was no information, I was connecting to - like I'm
throwing this ball as hard as I freaking can to that.
Catcher burst like a pitcher who's connecting to the batter
were now. I'm skillfully throwing this
bitch. I'm gonna throw this pitch in a
way for me to make sure I'm on his hands.
I'm gonna throw this pitch where he's going to be reaching for
it. And I'm connecting to the batter
in a much different way. Or like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
blow this basketball by him, where it's right above.
Hands inside like, that's connecting to who's right there
first. Like I think I sacrifice when
I'm just going to throw as hard as I can.
I sacrifice the ability to pick up, what's actually out there to
act upon in like the only thing I'm acting upon is like I'm
doing this as hard as I can and then you get into the higher
levels and balls like leave the bat pretty fast when that's all
you're trying to do and like if you're running pretty good
reason for them, hit right? So it's like I'm not being very
skillful with pitching anymore. And I do think it goes to that a
little bit. Like I'm not picking up
information nearly as well because all I care about is
moving as fast as I can. Can throw it as hard as I can in
this one moment. It's I think you'd probably
similar to hitting Yeah and it at least on that element of it
to with as far as pitching goes, almost think that having a
Target to throw to like what. So your intention to of the
hitter. Like I think right when it comes
to coordination, it's about. What am I coordinating to?
I don't know. I haven't thought about it in
the way that you put of like coordinating to the batter
because to me, I'm trying to I'm not trying to coordinate to the
batter necessarily, I mean a little bit but I'm more trying
to coordinate to I want to put the ball.
Well, I think that makes sense. Yeah, but I get what you're
saying. Like it it's eating because in
my head, I'm thinking about like, what?
My coordination is to the Target.
I'm trying to hit, but what's shaping that and shaping?
The what I'm trying to do with the ball, is the batter.
Yeah. You know, and so that
orientation like is a better orientation throwing my pitches
in a way or I'm going to make the batter do something.
Or is it better that? I'm just throwing the pitch
that's called to a Target and I'm on the line of thinking
right now Could change but I'm the better orientation in for me
to pick up. Good information is for me to
throw pitches to make the batter do something.
Like I'm going to get this. I'm going to fish this guy or
I'm going to freeze them or like, I'm not going to let them.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm hit this. I'm going to give the back off
and I'm going to landed in and that's why I talk about one of
our guys. Recently is, like, once a better
get me over a, get me over where I see curveball called, and I'm
just throwing it somewhere in the zone, trying to land it, or
I'm a right on, right? And I'm going to get the right
E2. Knock off and it land there.
What's a better get me over pitch.
Like the better one is getting the batter to move because of
how I moved and laying it. There is think about what that
may potentially do for all my other pictures later to if I've
already gotten the Flinch once and I landed it and like those
probably aren't going to get hit like especially if you're making
the batter do exactly what you want them to do.
I think the better orientation of how you go about like having
your intentions to pitch and how you shape your pitches verse
just for playing a Target Sport would be great.
If like, we got points for hitting, Target, but we don't.
I mean, that's the other thing that I've been on more recently
is the game doesn't care. The game doesn't care that you
throw plus stuff. It doesn't care.
The game doesn't care that you have a leap at Speed.
The game doesn't care that you have Elite exit below.
It's just, it doesn't care what you had all your spots, all game
game, doesn't care. No, I'm exactly where I want to
go. Coach was a good pitch.
I throw a great pitch, you just hit it was like, okay, so it
wasn't great pitch PC. Absolutely destroyed it like,
all right, like then as far as we knew miss something, right?
Hmm. And that's that's I think the
part that is where a lot of coaches are right now and this
is where we're to why I want to bring it up in terms of like the
analytics. Like I feel like people are
misplacing have like misplaced emphasis in terms of analytics,
in terms of like they there's like based upon the findings
that an analyst is found like this is the gospel truth on how
things are and that's where I'm like.
I think an adjustment needs to be made so that analytics can
serve its proper role of assisting in the search process
for more functional Solutions and but it's not the end-all
be-all and that's that's where I see a lot of play like People or
organizations making mistakes as they are like, well, the metrics
say this. And so while the metric say that
your fastball isn't or is getting hit a lot, so you should
throw your fastball less instead of asking the question, like why
is your fastball getting hit a lot?
And so, just taking away a tool from the athlete like, now they
have to like. So, for example, I can't
remember if this actually well with me.
Colors a little bit. And in the world series of the
fact that he was just going to Breaking balls for the majority
of his at-bats against hitters. And I don't think they're like
even if you just used his fastball to try to get them off,
his breaking ball, make that's that's where guys can just
adjust. If you are just a two-pitch
pitcher, I mean, some guys can be successful as to pitch
pitchers, but if that's not your, if you haven't found a
functional solution for Or that having that, that tool set, then
it becomes very hard for you to have sustained success because I
bet you McCullers is really good when he has all three pitches
working and he can start messing with guys more.
And this is where to me, the mentality of like, well, just
just trust the metrics. It's like, well, that works up
into a point. Because the thing is, is that
your opponent, is, it isn't alive, adapting, resisting like
somebody who's trying to actively work against you.
Like they're going to catch on to that and adapt and that's
weird to me, just saying, just saying that.
Oh, well the numbers say or the same, the analytics say it's
going back to like they're using a model of the world.
When the going back to, I think that the quote that I said
before the world is its own best model and it's not even my own
quote. I have to go pull.
It's from a physicist Ed basically said that um in terms
of like talking about living beings.
And so I think that's the thing that we have to remember because
analytics can be a very powerful tool to help you in your search
process until like with how you want to attack, but it goes back
to, you know, once you get into the game and people were talking
about during during the World Series about having a plan, and
I think plans are good, you should have a plan.
But once you get in there, like then you need to start being
pick up information about like what's actually going on instead
of being like, well, the plan says this, so therefore, I just
execute this plan, the way that we had talked about it before
like it's just going to work out like, well if they start
changing what they're doing and your plan doesn't match what
they're doing, then it's going to be it's going to be rough for
you and I think that's where you see sometimes teams just lose
simply because the other team didn't adjust to what the other
team is doing. Or one team wasn't adjusting to
what the other team was doing and that's why they lost.
Yeah. Did the idea of adaptability?
I think that's that speaks a lot to other stuff.
I've been thinking a lot about and how do, how do we create
environments? Again, this is a whole nother
ran so I'm not going to go into it.
But like how do you, how do you and you great athletes who are
adaptable under any circumstances, that's what it
comes down to. It's like you want Solutions
under any context under any situation that will actually
function. So yeah, I don't know if we
should Change subjects on that and dig into that.
But yeah I think that's that's extremely I mean because it's a
the quote that I had was like from Ramel about in terms of
like if his plan got him into contact with the Enemy then he
he would just play it by ear you know and and through sense and
tactical feel like a duelist you know.
Like and I thought that was really insightful in terms of
okay? Use your analytics to know, get
to know your enemy a little bit more your opponent and yourself
but once you get in there You're going to have to understand
which parts of the plan to adhere to and which parts to let
go of. You know, like that's where, for
example to of thinking, like, okay once you start pitching
like okay, what is it that I'm picking up right now?
When can I deviate from the plan, when can I when do I need
to adhere to the plan and this is where to me.
D the expert, right? The elite players.
There is a higher order variable that there are tuning to that
helps them navigate in terms of like when to deviate and when
to, you know, like what's guiding their behavior, so to
speak. And so that's where to me.
Like a plan is just an initial set of conditions that you're
working with and then if the condition stay the same, then
you can just keep executing your plan, but if they change, are
you going to be able to pick up? Up that information and then
adjust what you're doing because I think it comes back to like
the way that I think about it is in terms of military, okay.
If you understand what your objective is, what your goal is,
then, whatever plan you have, okay, that you set up if things
change, but your objective stays the same that doesn't change.
Like so to me, that's your higher-order variable and so you
just adjust your plan based upon your given circumstances that
are going to get you there. And like if you just, you know,
play with like Like, for example, how the seals and a lot
of special forces are like, okay, we're going to come up
with the first simplest plan of attack and go right now.
If I remember correctly, they just do simple, quick planning
when they're in a combat zone and just move and then they keep
reiterating and adjusting the plan as they go.
I mean, that, that to me is the best way to to approach. once
you're into the game, because I think that's where, like, kind
of I didn't watch the last game of the World Series, but it
sounded like the Phillies were especially offensively were kind
of What's the, what's the word searching?
Not searching to me. It was like they're kind of
getting desperate and kind of grasping and 44 or Solutions
against The pictures, you know, they didn't have a way to adapt
in a systematic way, in some ways, because I think they're,
at least what I'm trying to help our hitters understand.
Is there should be a kind of a systematic way that you make
adjustments in the box or from it, back to it bat, you know,
based upon what what you perceive is is happening.
And so, You know, letting letting the ball, be your
feedback or just your swing, be your feedback and how you're
relating to that to the pitcher into the ball.
Like the you need to be able to make adjustments based upon a
swing that you just took on a ball whether you followed it off
or missed it completely, did you have to know what you should do
next? You know if you're getting
another pitch in the like what should you focus on?
What should you should you attack this next next pitch that
you see? So The last thing that I'm going
to throw in there, probably cut out is, but I'm curious, your
guys, thoughts on us. So I was working with one of our
to a guys who is now just a picture, but we would just trade
back and forth pitching to each other.
And the way that I kind of put it was this is, this is a way of
sparring or rolling. And so to me because we weren't
going, we weren't going full distance, I think we're probably
at like, 45 50 feet. And he's just up there not
throwing like a hundred percent mixing in Breakers and throwing
different things. And I'm just like this to me.
If we could do more of this, This would you would be
unbelievably way better because to me this idea of when you Spar
in your role you're not actually trying to beat the other guy up.
You're not trying to bury him and get him out.
So to speak, instead you're trying to if we're a good
sparring partners, we're trying to challenge the other person.
We're exploring while we were sparring, we're trying out
different things and then sometimes we have to ramp Up and
down the intensity so that it stays in a place where we can
both learn and grow. And so sometimes you have to, as
maybe you're more talented than the guy you're sparring with,
you actually might have to dial it back a little bit and not
Carvin quite as much and be a little bit more creative with
how you're interacting with them.
And I think that's I want to understand MMA culture or
fighting culture a little bit better because there's where the
best growth is is like there's a culture of that.
I don't know. Did you did you listen to that
guy? Talk at smsc.
At the sport movement skill conference, who is a MMA guy,
you know, now like that was like one of the only ones that I
forget what I had to do, but like I was almost there for all
these one. I meant to go back and listen to
guy. I've actually been listening to
a lot of, like, Nashville with Conor McGregor.
Like, I've been intrigued with fighting and I got, watch this
most recent documentary shot. I could send it to me on Twitter
and then, like, just some other stuff.
Listen, I've listened to like, Shawn breakdown, Israel
assignment. I would always mess up his life.
Sonya has on. Yeah, yeah.
I've been beside actually do a little bit sparring with our
pitchers, like, in some form or fashion like that.
Stole straight from Rafe Kelly but we did it today like you
talk the thumbs girl, the fingers and you're like
basically playing body shots and like the whole idea of like,
because I move you move in, like, trying to trying to play
that, that idea. And then, like, the I wasn't
thinking about, like, sparring for for baseball, though.
The hard part is, man, that's like, like, I really Lie like
that idea because I do think we would pick up extra different.
Affordances is another concept. I forget what inch it was from,
Sean's blogs. I was like, I wish I wish
something speed and I forget, I wish I may be actually have it
up now. I don't have an update but it
was something about, I don't know what you're talking about.
It was like a roughly 80% of the apis, their actual speed is
where they may pick up different things and that's where they
lived a lot as far as as far as where they practice and I was
like, how can I That's a pitching.
Like we, I think you could like, play off the sparring idea,
where you can pitch at like, 80% to a header, the still, like,
you're still trying to like get him to do, what you want him to
do, based on how you're throwing your pitches and he just wanted
value. And then it's kind of like the
idea sparring. But I think the limitation in
that is just like you have like will have 18 to 20 pictures.
We have one game Mound, right? We don't have a cage that can
actually match that really well, just where we're at.
Okay, just kind of small, maybe we can get a mountain there and
to be a shortened version of it, which I think still has value.
But that's a limitation in my opinion because I think there's
a ton of value in it. Like, I always thought there was
like having pitchers throw to the hitters in a setting like
that, where you're kind of sparring and you're just Plum.
You're working at like that 80% range potentially a long.
This is the yeah, well, it will into I also think that it's
important to that the pictures or even the hitters Mess with
how like so for example, if I'm pitching and I'm throwing to a
guy I'm not trying to carve him. I'm actually trying to every now
and then. So for example, based upon my
sequence or whatever, I might give, I might specifically try
to throw one in there that I think you can hit to see if he's
ready. Like, there's, there's that
element of it to of like, I can, if pictures, I think should
understand that. When they throw and they start
mixing a little bit and then they throw a cookie in there.
After a guys seen a bunch of different stuff, he's not always
ready to hit that pitch. I've seen that plenty of times
where they'll take a swing and they'll just miss it.
Yeah, on a pitch that they should crush and that they've
hit while in the past, but simply because of the the
previous pitch sequence, they're just not ready for it.
And so, I think that's even good for for your offense to as like
just understanding that. It's not, it's not when you're
sparring, it's not just about about you.
And that's, that's the thing that I think is the important
piece of like, when you're doing this and you have your own guys
doing it. It's not about necessarily
trying to carve the other guy up.
It is, you should throw some pitches in there and see to
like, okay, if I throw a ball in there for him to hit, can I
sequence in such a way that like, because it'll help you
understand, when When when you can just straight attack of
hitter and not worry about like if I hang this pitch, if I leave
this pitch over the middle of the plate like knowing when to
take that risk of like I'm just going to lay this sucker in
there and you're not going to be able to do anything about it.
And so like to me that's that's one of the elements of and I'm
not sure what on the hitting side to do I think if like
you're crushing a guy maybe you need to change where your Like
what you're doing in the Box, you know, maybe where you're
standing, maybe start playing with some some different moves
or whatever and just seeing what else you can explore in, just
make it harder for yourself. You know, maybe starting with
like a different count whatever I think that's.
I mean, I've always had this idea that pitchers and hitters
should actually train together and and and that's right.
It just makes Sense it does. And the other the other element
of it too is I actually think the pitchers don't need a throw
and shouldn't throw at the full 60 feet, 6 inches when their
sparring just simply because it's really hard to like again
your accuracy is different, you know?
And just when you're when you're all the way at 60 feet, 6 inches
and then your how hard you have to throw it just to get it to.
The plate is also increased just at that distance.
So if you just bring it in a little bit and that's where to
me. What I've noticed is when you
throw at 30 feet or whatever, whatever it is, most BP throwers
throw at Guys are like, even when I throw you a breaking
ball, guys, still seem to be able to hit that fairly well.
But then, when I back it up to 45 feet, all of a sudden, those
breaking balls, get a lot harder to see out of the hand, but her
to see how the hand, it's harder to see the spin.
And and I think that's where more deception happens when went
over that course of like the ball flight being a lot longer
and having to travel a further distance, I really think that is
something that people don't appreciate.
When it comes to the hitting side of it.
And so, I think that's why for me, it's like I would actually,
if I could put the pictures at least, I don't know what the
minimum distance is Robert. That would be more for again,
this is, this is part of the whole point of like this podcast
is understanding where does an analyst become really, really
useful to me. It's right here of like we're
do. We figure out where that sweet
spot is in terms of ball, flight of okay, when when there's that
kind of that Tipping Point where R guys can start to see spend
because this is, this is one of the other things.
We're like, we're like, oh, they can't see spin.
It's like, I don't believe that for a second.
I know some guys can see spin. The question is, when do they
start to see spin because as the ball gets closer, guys, who have
good Vision can probably start to pick that stuff up guys, with
better Vision might pick it up earlier, but still most guys at
some point will start to see that and so, Maybe not most
guys, but there will be some. And so, like to me, This is
something that I think research and analytics would be really
good at trying to parse out where is this balance point that
we begin to see an effect come into play.
As far as the distance of the pitcher away from the hitter.
Yeah, well, I think it's us coaches need to engage in a
little exploration to see where that potentially may be and
based on how the hitters, coupling, their actions to the
pictures. But yeah, no, I think there's a
ton of value in that because I did a little bit when I was
trying to ramp up the information, the headers are
getting at our Inspiration Academy like for the playoffs
and it was like I would I would actually go in the base of the
mountain. There's still until screen
there. So I certainly wasn't doing that
without L screen, but like I was throwing my pitches and like if
I felt at least for me, I guess a picture like somewhat
realistic. Like I was at a much lower
intensity, I can still throw my pitches, I can still make a
move, I can still use pretty much my entire Arsenal and some
ways, and I could even like explore and create a little bit
in different ways and like the better hitters were able to find
a couple or actions and go out and like I kind of carved in the
beginning. So I had to like find that fine
tune like where where should I be living?
And maybe I should have back myself up.
But I still think there is there's a lot of value in them
being challenged at that since I mean we did face a 97 mile an
hour arm like like that probably had some value in there but also
found the term movement. Its ownership speed?
Yes, like it. Yeah, the movement ownership
speeding. I think I think that's a little
bit of and I was thinking about that a lot for pitching.
Like, where is that? And how do I keep that a little
more couples? The actual information.
So we do lost and insert a lot of umpires.
But like guy swings, just So much better than just like,
that's, that's the actual information and I've noticed,
even with stand-ins, even with moving around stand-ins, even
with a stand-in and and umpire like our pictures were not
coupling their actions to certain affordances.
I thought they would. I thought they would take some
invitations based on certain hitters like that.
We're presenting like this in this situation, like I should,
we should have done this and I don't know why we miss that
affordance and the landscape and I was like it's because we don't
have batters And they're not even if I have a stand-in,
they're not connecting to the information.
The same way they could very much has become a rote
repetition, like, just throw your pitches.
Even, there's, like, there's no consequence.
Like, I think that's the other element of otherwise.
It's like what I saw. I won't get that idea in there,
which I think was is extremely important.
But yeah, and that's where another thing I was thinking
again, we're going to go down a whole Rabbit Hole in this, but
the other thing I think it too is like, can I put like, does
this, does this play? If I can't get a hitter, her
pictures, does this play? If I were to, if I were to Some
context about who this hitter is and like what they could
potentially do ahead of time and then they throw a pitch that
like, based on the parameters, we set up about the hitter
they're facing like meets the criteria of like that ball May
been crushed. Like actually like that ball is
crushed. Like, all right man isn't a man
at second here? And does that is that even
enough of a consequence and does that?
Would that help them couple their actions more?
I think maybe possibly, I don't know, but something not the
same. Why me?
Because to me there's an element of when you Of a batter who
swinging in there. It begins to highlight certain
information for sure. Moves like movements that the
batter makes it highlights that it it makes that information
speak louder where whereas, when they're just taking and they're
just standing in there. I think sometimes that
information again back to there's no consequence there.
It doesn't then make that information more Salient or it
doesn't doesn't highlight it as much just It's just information
there, you know because it doesn't specify anything to
them. Because again, big going back to
like what is it? Their goal that they're trying
to do there. Because that's where I'm
wondering. How much does is this stuff?
Like what are the metrics that I really want to look at it?
Because, I mean, I have Johnson pulling a ball.
Where's Johnson? Probably a second.
Oh yeah. He pulls the ball at like 78.
I think it was something like, oh, that didn't even feel like
it's 1/4 like to it's inside your bat speed.
It's just going to measure it faster inside, swing, I'm going
to assume inside low or are generally what I've seen in the
past. There you go.
There's your 78. The the lower the pitch, the
higher, the bat speed to an extent obviously like right
because that wasn't that out, that 78 was not that low of a
pitch. Well yeah, that was low enough.
Also a trick for you. I see that you're like,
commenting, like timestamps you can actually like Use YouTube's
in Bedding. You like automatically go to it.
That makes sense. No explained.
I've seen that before. I've definitely seen that.
I mean, I was going to put it in the comments or in the
description but I just wasn't like, I was logged in with my
account and not the The, the school one.
Oh yeah. What are embeds?
Oh, you talking like the Things down here.
Not necessarily here. I'll show you, I gotta Yeah, do
share screen. Well, I can type it in on the
the tiny table. Yeah, I'm just trying to think
of the exact terminology of it and I don't want to tell you the
wrong terminology. but you're saying that on plane efficiency,
Was maybe something more to look at, right?
Because my again, in my experience with the guys, I work
with, When we see like bad Trend that speeding trending up,
right? Like whether it be a heavy bat
program or you know like a a you know, heavy bat, like bat
whatever kind of program that you want to use.
I typically found that you know as your bat speed increases your
on plan efficiency will typically be and what does that
mean exactly? Well your back doesn't stand
alone. And be really good at crushing
that specific pitch and that specific spot.
But again, we want to talk about being adaptable, dexterous
athletes, being able to adapt and adjust to certain pictures,
as we're a metric. Like I'm playing efficiency is
key because if your bat Susan Zone water, you can still adjust
and do make a Quality swing. That may not be the best
terminology for it, but we'll go with it on that and to be able
to, you know, increase your chances of getting something
like that. Does it work when I do that,
huh? Doesn't like it.
When I make it full screen. Because, I don't know, I'm, I'm
a little bit questioning, some of these negative attack angles,
that which, then makes me question.
How correct are? Or is the on plane score?
That's what I want to know, like how accurate are these things.
Now having use this again, Because when I first used it
with my guys at DCTC long time ago well a couple of don't know
what to say 33s years ago, 23 years ago.
The and comparing it to zap. I saw Zero negative attack
angles on guys that I thought would have - attacking everybody
was positive attacking us. I'm blind.
Now, I'm starting to see more - Attack angles and some of it
makes sense where I'm seeing it. And then it just makes me
wonder. Okay, this is where Robert you
would probably have better data for this but now I need to
figure out okay do I want to get rap Soto hitting or hit tracks?
And now I have like all these metrics lined up and we can look
at Exit via low and bat speed and attack angle and all these
sort of things that we can then begin to.
See. Okay.
If your - attacking will does that mean maybe wraps.
Or yeah rhapsode would be better because then you could start to
see the spin. Get the spin metrics going, but
you can see the ball Spin and then see how, you know, are you
creating too much spin on the ball?
It's just like hanging up there because From the naked eye, it
seems to me guys that swing down on the ball and they clip it a
ton. They put a ton of spin on the
ball and it just kind of hangs up there.
It doesn't, the ball doesn't seem to just jump off the bat
and just go instead it just seems to go up and it just seems
to hang up there. And then you're like, wow, that
ball took forever to go however far it went and it's hang time
was really long. And so, That's where I'd want to
know. Does a negative attack angle
produce more of those? Spinny fly balls versus getting
on plane with it. Getting it more true.
Produces that nice, you know, rocket, I want to say rocket
line drive for the ball. Just seems to like fly off the
bat, well, from like a I want to say a physics standpoint like
assume the ball is right hand. Curve balls breaking right?
You know you let's say you can physically, see the seam
orientation moving and then you have a negative attack angle
when you make contact with it, you would assume that it would
kind of this pain would transfer transverse.
I think it's the word and then would create that, you know,
that very spinny baseball that you were mentioning But again in
my world of being an analyst, it's by how much does that spin
tank? Right.
Well that's that's to where I was also wondering.
Okay, now that we're seeing some of these it's really cool to see
at least to me. Like we get batted ball
information connected with the bat speed that we see is that
bowl. These balls seems like they're
coming off the bat pretty well. And that was only a 64 bat speed
in the ball, seemed to just jump off as bad.
Granite, it's in the cage, but still Those balls seem to like
be flying off the cage and that was what 64.
So that's that's where I'm kind of curious.
Is this guy's going to be one of our better.
You should be a more of a power hitter but he's going to be more
of a contact singles doubles type guy or us.
He has fairly decent contact ability. but his bat speed now,
that isn't my question is When you say fairly decent, contact
ability. How are you?
How are you measuring? I'm doing the Old Coach thing in
terms of what I've seen on the field, so if you were to look at
his spray chart, you're going to see.
A lot of line drives and and he's probably going to work more
of the gaps. So, You know?
And that's that's what I mean of like, I'm sure his his, if you
were to go and take his hardest swing, he probably be in the 70
range, but you can see him to with guy, like this is why I
wanted to do it off a machine or something, that's a little bit
more challenging because you begin to see.
I know some of these guys have higher bat speeds, fair amount
of tea and have them swing as hard as they could get easily be
in the, you know, in the 70 range.
No problem, and I had another kid who has had decent exit.
Be low on flight scope, and like, 92 93.
His top was, maybe he touched 70 once.
So, that's where. You know, for example, you look
at Johnson Johnson hits off this machine all the time.
So that's that's why I assume his bat speed is going to be in
the higher. It's going to be closer to his
true max because he's more comfortable, Hitting off the
machine and letting it eat. Whereas these guys, the freshmen
aren't as comfortable Hitting off the machine, their numbers
are going to be a little bit lower.
But like, for example, if I were to go to Stifler here, I'm
trying to scroll on the on the screen.
Share great. his his his EV or his Bat speeds are nothing
special. Like low 60s upper 50s, and I
was, you know, doing using flight scope in the indoor.
His exit via lows were topping out at like 86, but then,
because I've used it in game with him, he's hit like a 94 or
something in game. Sure.
So your question is what everybody talks about bat speed
right bat, speed bat. Speed bat speed because it
equals x appeal. Oh, This clearly, this kid, this
kid doesn't have Elite bat speed but I know he can hit the ball.
90 plus miles an hour off the bat.
And he is going to be mostly a singles doubles guy.
So that's where, you know, I I'm kind of wondering I'm asking the
question, how much does it matter when I know?
And I've seen what, guys in games exit via Lo is You know,
in terms of like what numbers I'm seeing here, how do I, how
do I evaluate this? In light of those things, right?
Like he's mid-60s 6465. Kind of was his top end range,
but you could see his range was like 58 to 64 65 My the one
question I have regarding that is when you change batters, are
you switching out bat lengths and sizes?
They they're all swinging 30 threes.
So everyone's swaying 3333 30? Yeah.
And I'll be I'll be honest when I first started doing it and
this is the, this was before I got the live stream to work.
It was on a 32 or And so they were probably nerfed a little
bit but then I eventually changed it and found a 33 bat
changed it to a 33 and so they're all 33, whatever 33 30s,
right, at least, I think that's what it was supposed to be.
I know I'm in my experience like with a higher.
Like let's say you, let's say that better has a 34 but Lassie
has a 33. You're going to tend to see,
like, higher exit or bad spoon because that's these with the
longer bat when you're actually using a shorter one.
Yeah. And then vice versa, you're
going to see slower when they think it's swimming heavier,
even though I might be mixing that up now, it's sounds about,
right? But then in terms of like what
you were mentioning, you know, oh, he's got, you know, like the
players mentioned how you said, you know, he get like 94 Max
exit velocity, but you don't need bad speeds. in the you know
a high setting its again, it's wondering if How much of the
battery that you use in practice training really applies into a
game? Set is like what I found at?
Quincy was if we were swinging roughly 68 miles an hour on bat
speed on average. That would equate to roughly 56.
55 56 in a game. Because again the setting is
different you more or less know and Baker can be able to comment
on kind of like this board because it kind of ties in with
pitching wear. You may not have as much
Effectiveness when you're throwing like Max fastball
velocity in the same can apply for swinging a baseball bat but
there are those tangible people that maybe for that one player
like maybe 60 is around his max bat speed and like he's very
good at basically swinging around as Max both in practice
and games. But there's that, you know,
subset of people that on the pitching side, you know, let's
say they're Max fastballs 94, like they can command and you
too. Before whereas some of them like
passport, Max, fastball at 94 doesn't know where it's gone,
but you drop them down to like 89-91, they're a little bit more
effect. Same applies here.
Where you know, you're not trying to swing as hard as you
can. You're trying to swing in an
effective manner where you can still be effective.
But you're still like, again there's there's bat speed and a
peak level but then there's a controlled back to me.
What you got. I'm not telling you like swing
soft but swing in a manner that allows you to still enhance.
What? We looked at what we found
important was on point fishing. Makes sense.
Because yeah, this is we had it at 96 or whatever it was is the
same kid in game. Maybe 64.
Right? And this goes back to with him,
he's not It's not going to be your home run type hitter guy
but he's going to hit like I didn't think it was possible
just based upon what I saw in the cage.
In the in the early preseason and the exit below is that we're
getting and then going back to the to the bat speed.
You know, like there it is. Right?
And like the common misconception that leads to the
the subset of people that know like the bat speed formula.
In terms of like, working back from exit, velocity the issue
with that is that core or that Collision coefficient that point
to that's been tested on only wood bats.
So metal bats. Apply a little bit different.
So you need to adjust accordingly based upon that
Collision coefficient which again it's more of like a that's
a bit above my knowledge in terms of like how to compute
that in terms of. You know what is exactly the
Collision efficiency of a metal bat compared to a wood bat.
But again that's another misconception.
So that's why you might see. Like either a lower bat speed
numbers be hired at speed numbers, I'm not sure but
there's still that misconception to that subset of people.
Yeah. Because, I mean, I've heard and
this would be curious to hear your thoughts.
Wood bats, especially the ones that Pros use, maybe actually a
little bit hotter than the BBCOR bats that the college guys use
right now. What are what are your thoughts
on that? I've heard similar things and I
wouldn't be opposed to it again like I'm not this is all
speculation. Like I don't have a, you know,
present date in front of me to say like yeah, this this claim
is supportive but But yeah, I believe that there is but the
one way we could test it theoretically because think
about it this way, you're out of Juco right now.
Right? The NJCAA and the CCAA CCC AAA
are metal, bat view Co but the New Black and the Pacific
Northwest they use wood back. So, if you could do come kind of
analysis where like you take a group of teams and the NJCAA in
the CCAA, compared with a group of teams in Nowak, then maybe
you could start to see. Oh, yeah.
Actually, you know what bats might be hard?
But I also think it's a type of wood bat, you know what I mean?
Like if you grab one of the ash that's like Louisville, Slugger
that you can get at Dick's or what's now an absurd amount of
money. What it used to be a $20, don't
know how much it is now. But I mean, I would assume that
those wood bats aren't nearly as hot as the maple where victus
like the top end bats that the pros are you Using today like
those bats like you just listen to the sound of the bat and how
much it comes off. I wonder though, if bat if the
baseball bat roads have actually done a video looking at this, it
wouldn't surprise me if they have.
These something interesting to look at.
Baseball bathrooms or heard of them.
Yeah they go and they test different bats and they go in
and they whether they go ahead out on a field or go find a
facility with a hit tracks or a wrap.
So do and they just do exit via low numbers based upon the
different different bats that they're checking out.
So I mean there's there's no my family doesn't real juice metal
bass nowadays though. I feel like maybe I could be
wrong. It's all my picture.
So, let me take it with a grain of salt, but I feel like the
BBCOR Now isn't what baby? Or was like when I was started,
right? That's fair.
It came out like Junior, Senior High School and those are like
those. I felt like their dads.
I got like the goods, like the goods is kind of.
That thing's got some juice to it feels.
It feels more like it. The old bastard.
I don't know. And this is where it might be,
you know, where it things are changing right.
Each new model about that comes out with aluminum and it, but I
brought all this up because what you're saying Robert in terms of
the coefficient may be being different, you know.
It could be that the sweet spots a little bit bigger on the metal
bats than it is on the wood bats or vice versa.
I don't know. And that's that's where I think
it's interesting. And that's that's why I keep
coming back to, it's good to have other metrics to kind of
validate what the metrics that you're looking at.
And I think this kind of goes into the topic that I wanted to
cover today, which was good Hearts law, where when you, you
know, set up a metric as a Target you that and use it as a
measure it, it's it, what it it ceases to be what it what you're
Hours after but this actual article make sure I get get it
right? Yeah.
Oh I think I know which are not.
It's like when a measure becomes a Target, it ceases to be.
A good measure. Yeah, yep. and I think, Yeah,
I'd be K. I would love to get your
thoughts first, Robert on this, before I go off on a tangent on
the twins. I mean.
There's there's some validity to it like I see it as you know
like oh we only chase, you know this thing right?
Like oh we only Chase one thing. One thing bats.
Right. Then again I see the blade and
because now hey you're gonna you're gonna have guys that can
swing really fast made put up good Xbox numbers but in the
grand scheme of things like You're sacrificing something
else, maybe you're sacrificing. You know the adaptability of
being able to spray the ball to various places, 12 being able to
just make contact in general. so, I think, I think in terms of
like measures becoming targets, I think if it's the way I see it
is, if it's just one measure, becoming a Target, then yeah, it
fails to be a good measure, but if you kind of take a collection
that kind of like, In a like checks and balances sort where
like this metric is good. But you know we need to have
quality metric be to be able to validate in some way metric it
but that's where I see a medic. Baker.
You got any, any thoughts? I mean, I want to slow you down
here, but I feel like this is something I've been talking to
Todd about is like trying to figure out what the actual goal
is what we're trying to do. You think a lot of guys
especially coming to Juco like have their thoughts, about what
they need to work on and that's what the one thing I've been
collecting at on. Just kind of like in my own way,
just trying to get their brains a little bit and always, always
trying to get them to produce something that they're working
on or building on like they're already good at this or building
on this. Need to work on this to be the
best picture you can be. So like I had them like submit
this to me and I'm going to continue to have them submit to
me but like you start noticing what they what they're caring
about and what they what they're valuing while I'm trying to keep
kind of preach the idea and try to get like all the matters that
were functional pictures and game, right?
And like we are getting outs. Like that's one thing I talked
to Tony about was like where the alligators and like just
continue to Hound like I don't care how you do it.
We got it. We got to find three outs as
fast as we can find. Three outs, we gotta find three
outs. All those metrics that were
tasting, like all feed into it, even like a bunch of guys.
Like, I need to get bigger. Okay, well, great, that's,
that's something that may be worth striving for.
But if all we do is get bigger, I've seen plenty of people just
get bigger and then they become a heck of a lot less functional.
I've seen a heck of a lot of people like, taking more
calories and then, again, you better I've seen a heck of a lot
people salad for lossy tick up the velocity, but and get it
better pitching. So it's like trying to figure
out how to keep people on target to What's actually, the main
goal and how speed versus just, like, I'm selling out for this
losing sight of like, what's actually important and that's
kind of kind of one thing. I'm actually digging into now
and I thought that that thing you sent us about about that
very that, very first article was kind of fed right into what
is already talking about. But some, with our guys but into
what how I found, it was one of those very serendipitous
serendipitous things because somebody was posting about the
Twins and they didn't understand why.
On is still pitching for the Twins and it's like, well, it's
because the twins see that he has some of the, like the top 10
and stuff, and it's like, yes. But the guy gives up too many
runs like, right? Because I think going off of
what you said. I think you Baker, you made a
good point of adding the caveat of get the whole job of the
pictures is to get out as quickly as they can.
And I think baked within that is the whole goal of A picture is
to prevent runs to minimize the number of runs given up, and I
think it also depends upon your role, right?
So, for example, if you're a starter, you're afforded more of
an opportunity to give up runs. It's not the same for a
reliever. It's just, it's just the nature
of what it is. That we're asking you to do, is
to come in and basically not allow any runs like one or none.
I mean, most often and When that's the case, then it becomes
like with the gun, okay? You have got great stuff but
you're not getting your allowing too many runs.
And and this is where I think the analytics are the analytics
side of it. Then needs to actually dig a
little bit deeper like why is he giving up a ton of runs even
though he's got great stuff. And I think that part is
probably the part that's missing because I've talked with Someone
who's been in similar organizations who they've
emphasized, you know, certain things when it comes to the
analytics. And then you start asking them
basic questions of like, well have you looked at you know the
counts like okay, so his fastball is getting hit and then
you just tell him that he can only throw four fastballs in a
game or an init. Sorry in a inning.
It's like, well, why is his fastball getting hit?
Is it because he is falling behind too much and he's trying
to get Back into counts by using his fastball to get them back
into counts and that's where he's getting hurt or is it you
know, a certain location that he's throwing it.
Can't remember what the other things that he said but they're
all very like contextual baseball questions and like your
analytics team should be able to tell you this and should have
broken down further and done more homework, to understand.
Why is it that as fast balls getting hit so that you can
better understand how to utilize that pitch because there's like,
okay, if he just goes all You know, breaking balls are sliders
and guys are just going to sit on the slider if they know that
that's what's coming. And an example that I saw this
past year was with the former team that I worked with, at
Missouri State, where one of our guys out of the pain, he was
really, really good and everybody knows, he's slider,
slider guy, so it comes in out of the pen and this year, he
didn't have as much success because I think, guys, just our
practice hitting more sliders because, right?
This is something that that I think pal, Bode has said on Her
looked at the off-speed usage is way higher now than ever.
And if you go back to the premise that at the professional
level and just even at the top Collegiate level guys, who are
there are the best adapters, right?
They're the best at making adjustments out of anybody and
that's why they're there at the level that they're at.
And so if you start throwing them more sliders or more
breaking balls in general, they're just going to get better
at hitting more breaking balls. And so Then you're just going to
come back to the other way and it's just going to be the Seesaw
back and forth. And if you really want to have,
this is where, for example, looking at someone like Zack
Greinke is, is really actually, it's fun to watch him pitch
because he is always messing with the hitter.
He's changing speeds. He is, you know, pitching
backwards or he's he's basically throwing the pitch that he
thinks that the hitter is not ready for or that's going to
fool him or whatever. And so to me, That's where we
actually need to get to and that goes back to what we're we're
like if you just tell a guy that he can't use his fastball as
much, then he can't use that as a weapon to set up his other
pitches. And that's that's um Blake
that's an old school baseball thing of like establish the
fastball so that you can set up your other pitches but I don't
think you necessarily have to say that anymore of establish
the fastball. You just use the fastball to set
up. You know, your other pitches or
use your other pitches to set up the fastball and that's that's
where to me. If we go back to an ecological
approach, we don't want to overly constrain a player to
have to basically play the game with one hand tied behind their
back and I think that that happens too often to players as
we actually hamstring them when it comes to their ability, to
play the game. In my mind, what my goal is is
I'm trying to give them as many options and tools as possible.
To use or take into a game to find success and be able to get
out, get hits Etc. Yeah, to go just go off that
last the last point, I think, once you kind of like over
constrain them, if they're not even picking up the information
that should be picking up anymore since like, like, why
would you you losing your basically taking away options.
And now you're looking for opportunities to act or maybe
like the certain pitch. I throw a certain pitch from
certain area and you basically took one off the table.
So now you're only looking for your, basically, your intentions
is the throw this one pitch in your selections gone way down.
So, you're gonna, you've basically Lemonade to some
information sources that you just don't want to be using them
anymore. So it's like you're almost like
not playing the game anymore. In my opinion.
It's like a it's like a totally, a totally different game.
When you're over constraining verse, like what you're kind of
talking about, like open them off, allow them to, to explore
different tools. And like one thing I've been
thinking a ton ton about it, be curious, kind of off of this,
kind of you thought. There's one thing I did two
years ago, is I kind of intentionally eliminated
pictures for guys where I wanted the basic dominated.
I took This from a very successful Division, 1 pitching
coach was like he wanted them to have two best pitches and
possibly a third after that, we're kind of getting rid of the
rest and I kind of took that and ran with it a little bit.
And I was like, all right, so I want you to best pitches and
maybe a third, that's all we're working on.
So I want to spend your time on stuff, but now I'm kind of like
shift in my mindset a little bit is like, can I take more of a
generalist approach on this a little bit in?
Like, is there time for me to just literally allow guys to
explore ways to move your fastball?
So you have a bunch of different variations Fastball maybe
different variations occur will visit different situations based
on context like a different variation of that same pitch,
may be very functional. And then you're as you're doing
that, you're teaching them to pick up different information
sources to be able to act upon. And you're basically it to me,
it's a whole different game pitching than a very to like I
have a fastball. No, I breaker and I will throw
it as hard as I can. I'm gonna break your as hard as
I can and this is typically where they work in the zone,
which is good, but I think it constrains you sometimes you
don't have to be a have that. Well then what You know, you
don't even have another plan. Like, you know, it's not there,
like I can. I've been collecting as much
data as I can. So we know where you get swings
and misses and you know what pitches you have swings and
misses, you know, like what pictures you can put in the
zone, what counselors be using all that, but then the same time
like the moment you lose it. What happened?
Like you're not the only information Source, you know, is
the throw this fastball as hard as I can and this location and
throw my breaker in this location as hard as I can to
usually work. Well happens when something
right? So I've been thinking thinking
through that a lot possibly changing my philosophy on it or
like Like maybe picking certain guys we're constraining them.
But opening up there, you're allowed to use within this
framework. So, you know, putting guardrails
on them. But allowing other guys to maybe
explore a little more become that more generalist and which
we have we have some guys that are kind of like that coming in
and we have some guys only a few pitches so I don't it's one
thing. I've been thinking through a
decent bit, was kind of plays off what you're talking about
there well in to build off of that, right?
We've at least what I think I've seen on Twitter During that
Owatonna we added another pitch right now.
How much, like, how, how that's increased his ability to be very
devastating and effective pitcher.
And what I think this, especially for starters, right?
There's the third time through the order penalty, but if you
have that other that fourth pitch, or whenever you start
mixing that in, once you get to the third time through, or you
start using that a little bit more, all of a sudden, I think,
It helps reduce that penalty, I would assume that that's the
case, granted. I don't think.
Robert. Maybe this would be something
for you to look up. How many innings did Owatonna go
the last time out? Or when he started adding that
was a cutter or splitter? Now, wasn't splitter, he's had
the splitter for a long time but I can't remember what it was
wrong. But I thought he went seven,
which is still good. I'm so used to watching the
twins where everybody goes like four Innings.
So when somebody goes seven, you're just like, that's a real
like that's a. You went a real like, super long
Loading, but that's not super long by General standards.
Like that's, that's, just that used to be the norm.
And I think that's where I find it really interesting and what's
going on in the pitching world, just in the sense of we've been
seeing and we've been seeing like this idea of Staffing, it
more using openers Etc. And in a way, the twins have
kind of done that and it's kind of worked out.
I think now they're both pain situations a little bit better
at least from what I had in the last game that I watched.
Like if kind of figured out what they're there, three or four
guys are in there. Getting some guys back healthy
but I think that's where it becomes a challenge.
At least, from what I've seen over the course of 162 games,
you run out that Bullpen, you know, in a staff mentality for
that many games, I don't know if your Bullpen hangs up like holds
up as well. When you when you run them out
there that frequently like that, that I think is weird.
That model might work great in the short term, but I don't know
if it works over the Long Haul when guys actually their usage
starts going way up. I telegraphed that I really
think about that because it really but I tend to agree with
that and I think it's just more times, like, keep see guys you
really write maybe maybe limited going to post season.
Both the throne whole time, like every team's going to morph
who's never believe it. And by the time, my opinion, You
would think so Robert when you got yeah I got a few things.
So one. Yes it was seven Innings to take
out like way back on point. So like when you mention it's a
Kraang in mess with timing there's actually someone with
the White Sox right now. Johnny Cueto that's doing a very
good job of messing with time. They wanted to bring him up but
I didn't know what his era was because that is the Aries.
He is assuming he pitches how he's been the entire season.
This will be his fourth best season of his career behind all,
you know, the Royal with the Royals and then once, but I
think actually know twice with the rest, but to kind of
piggyback off both your points, right?
There, is that value of? How do we pitch?
When we know we don't have her best stuff that Because that's
still something internally like, get a baker mentioned.
It's not as easy as hey. I Gotta Throw This pitch and
this spot, you know, every time because frankly just can't do
that, but it's also being able to a no possibly have the data
there for you. I mean different Learners,
different environments, etcetera, or be, you know, the
pitching coach is there saying? Hey, like here's what you're
doing differently. Here's how we can adjust because
we buy get Quincy, we have specific example, specific
pitch, Sure who was like a high spin hike, hairy guy all in the
fall and he would succeed there. And then in the spring, it
Chapman happened. Don't know.
And I went and different, but then it was a lot of more or
less. Struggles.
His like the plan was to have him throw more up in the zone.
But then he had a flatter fastball.
So then he got hit hard so then we had to adjust accordingly.
And so there was times where he's like, yeah, I felt really
good. You know, the fastball was
carrying and then there's other times where he's like, yeah, I
don't feel it. So then we think of like a plan
B in advance where it's like, okay, if you don't feel like
you're fast was going up, go ahead and play Down In the Zone
and use it, you know, pet more or less, change it to us, like,
And so the idea behind that is just again, I'm a big proponent
of preparation, just making sure to be prepared.
When you know your stuff is not working that day adjust
according or pay we can go look at the data.
Hey, you know, here's your fastball metrics.
This is far-fetched from what you normally throw.
Here's what we're going to do, to adjust it for debate.
Yeah, and I think I thought I saw I think it's the Yankees
Yankees business so they were using trackman free game.
I watched Grey's Yankees game, they attract enrolling and it
was important to talk about another guy messed with Batman.
Nestor portes when he was actually really, really tearing
it up, really in season. But it is how I like his had a
role in there. I mean, they looked at it like
once or twice, but it kind of, I think it was just giving him a
look into how his ball was playing that day and it kind of
helps you make a game plan again.
There's limitations to that, I think because there's a big
difference between Bullpen and game in my in my opinion.
And we're talking about that as a staff, a little bit today and
I don't like understanding the differences and like I think
every day is because he's real funny, like you had a terrible
day in the pain. You go tear it up in the game
with your a lot more tuned in the game than you are in the
pen. And that's a good question to
figure out why my kind of challenge to our guys like think
through that a little bit, but you're acting upon much better.
Information within the game, then you are in pain and golf at
that. I've had that plenty of times my
own career of seeing plenty of players, talk about that, right?
But it's, it's like going off of one thing.
You said that Robert is like, having that plan B ahead of time
and I think like opening up the toolbox, like you look at a
Cueto Greinke. Cortez, like, in a way, it's
like, almost a full football baseball and I think we don't we
don't think of it that much, but you watch a dude with a little
ball and his buddies with with a bath there.
He's going to do all kind of crazy stuff.
I remember like messing with timing striding across come.
Manic, right? Like throwing different angles
and like it was just any way. I could, possibly find a way to
get out and we have one of those.
Footballs you make food, like crazy was like all the holes in
it, like thing with straight most of the time.
Those are your the find every way to get out and like, taking
that approach to the mound and it's kind of cool.
Like, waiters do the Greinke's? Do I think?
And the Cortez do is opens a toolbox.
Even you don't have your best stuff.
Well, I can still part of this time in a little bit.
I can still change arms. Lots, and those are different
variations of stuff. I already have You know, I just
think to me in my brain, just like next, like, it's a whole
different game, it's not the same as like I know my metrics,
I'm pitching to my metrics, that's it, that's all I'm doing,
which is good. There's hundreds that value in
that, but its limitations to that prepare.
Well, that's that's what I think we're seeing.
We're starting to see that and I think it's good in the sense
that it sucks for the team that I like to report, but it's good.
I think for baseball in general because then it opens opens you
back up for. Okay.
There's more to that or to this than that and it sucks for
hitters because there's still a lot left in the tank for
pictures, you know. Like if all you've done is
focused on the metrics then getting back into being.
Be way more deceptive messing with hitters timing, you know,
doing the stuff that Cueto and was it Nestor not as familiar
with his name, Nestor strowman like those guys.
The way that they try to mess with timing.
I mean, the fact that to I've seen now, like a guy who throw
from Down Under that's like, 90, like, oh my gosh, I've been
waiting for to see that happen. I figured that that was just a
matter of time before somebody was throwing from Down Under and
they're going to get hit 90. Like I mean that's got to be
just absolutely Really disgusting to me.
I'm gonna plug one of our guys real quick.
I got a guy and staff. He's like he's like from down
down here. He was like first scrimmage 88.
That's kind of gross. Yeah that's what I like to hear.
I'm excited for that but anyways and then there's another guy so
Justin Lawrence with the Rockies.
He's up to 98. Now he's not like a Submariner
but like he throws like a low side arm. and he's up to 98,
which is again like Just unheard of.
And it just goes back to for me looking at like man, how are we
going to prepare guys for this? And I don't think I mean I know
this came up in our in our Twitter group chat of the
pitching machine that is like completely adjustable and throws
different pitches. I do think that like it kind of
helps a little bit but I mean, okay, so there's two things I'm
going to poke holes in my own argument that I made the fact
that there is variation in terms of the release point and the
release height, right? So your extension release
height, like all of those vary from Pitch to pitch even if it's
the same pitch, like I even looked at, Justin Verlander and
I can't remember it's it's a significant enough.
It's six to eight to ten inches difference between each of those
like you can have a range that It might not be like all the
time, those might be some outliers, I mean the other.
So here's me, poking holes in it.
How much of that is just margin of error for the the technology
itself? Right?
Track manner, whatever it is that it's collecting it.
I would assume. It's Hawkeye now with.
So I would assume what I because I pulled the 20 like this
season's data. And so, I'd assume that that is
fairly accurate. It was interesting because I saw
Paul Glazier. Basically, it was like, So
what's the point of doing collecting all this this data?
If you know you're still looking at tolerance?
If you believe things are self-organized, I can't remember
exactly what the the full quote was.
But I was looking up like, what he was talking about and it
basically just had to do with what's the margin of error?
When it comes to a piece of technology?
That's what we're talking about when we're talking about
tolerance. so in according to the sabre Stackhouse
presentation in 2020, when they were going to roll out Hawkeye
for the next year, in terms of like Pitches themselves and like
the the metrics in terms of Errors, like, estimated error.
According to that presentation, they said that using the Hawkeye
unit, you know, prior because they started using it 2020 with
for the pandemic. They said it was up to 98 99.8%
of basically accuracy. Yeah, but what does that mean in
terms of inches? Right?
That's what I'm saying. And that's why I was, you know,
getting that you know what does that mean in terms of the engine
one and then to you kind of mentioned it in that chat, you
know, like like, Then we get into the law of averages, how
effective is, you know, using the law of averages.
When each one, each one, each event discrete event is unique
in and of itself. Now, doesn't mean that you won't
ever repeat combinations. But if you're not used to that
variation, how are you going to adjust to it?
Because I mean here's here's what I've seen, based upon the
research on just pitching machines.
From a gaze Behavior standpoint. And I probably have to should
pull up the paper but it's a it's a cricket study and it
looked at the Gaze behavior of cricket batters and although do
on a pitching machine, even if I think even if they put up a
projection of a person pitching it the person the batter just
stares at the outlet where the ball comes out.
I mean, why wouldn't they? This is something that Rob grade
talks a lot about of athletes are lazy, Learners meaning.
They will take the path of least resistance, oral find the
easiest way to solve the problem consistently.
And so, if all you have to do is just stare at the outlet for the
machine, then you never get good at picking up the information of
where to find the release point on a picture.
And what's interesting though at least talking to with some
players and it's not true of all players but if some players they
actually look for hitting off of an actual person because there's
more information there to tell you when to get ready where to
move and how to move and where to move essentially.
And so, but I still think at least for some guys who struggle
their ability to pick up the release point and know where to
look on the on the picture really, really is the thing that
I think nobody is looking at or talking about.
And that's also, I think the biggest struggle with using a
machine is that, that whole element is is not a factor
there. So, I mean I've agreed that
especially when you start talking again, not everybody
uses the app and then we already talked about it but they start
going into like yours at going for use in your Johnny cueto's
and mr. Cortez is for messing with
timing on top of that and coming out of this lot like you
literally get none of that of machine like this, I'm in a
possibility. So I think machines unless
unless it's that whatever. Whatever that super expensive
machine was that they're talking about.
I mean that's a question of like how I would assume that you
could do it a little bit, but I mean you're going to see
beforehand, the outlet moving. So you're going to know where
the release point is, if he's going to drop down because the
outlets going to have moved lower if you're going to.
And that's, that's where I just look at.
Like, the machine is cool, but nothing beats a live person.
And this is where it becomes difficult, and I'd be curious.
I suppose Baker, I mean I don't know when you're going to
announce it but you know, I mean you're in a different spot but I
guess here's my, my question to you is, how are you wanting to
train your pictures? And especially in does it is it
going to help out your hitters the way that you're going to try
to train your pictures? I mean, hopefully down the road,
it will or again, being a new spot.
It will get there, you know, but I mean a lot of what I'm doing
at the moment is like we're trying to get as much live as
possible because honestly, the next 36 like sessions, we have
with our pictures that are we talking about that with high
intensity? All going to be live.
They're going to be scalp like Morrow's me a little scale Down
live and Monday and Friday. Maybe a little more vamped up
for what we're doing, but it's like in the fall, we're, it's
literally as much live as you can possibly get.
And when it's not live, like, I'm encouraging hitters to
always, at least and in again, I know there's some research, I
talked to like, a bunny in my mind who will be organ.
They did a research and talking about how the information
Source, just so different. And how you act to find like a
stand-in, like how you're tracking when you're standing
endorphin, you're heading. So, there may be like, Value in
that. But I think there's value in for
a great looking at spacing and all that.
But pictures right now, I mean, we're, it's always problem.
There's always a problem where I was trying to find a solution
for it. So there are always hypothetical
stand-ins and whenever just throwing a glove side,
basketball like this useless to me, it's a fastball, to a righty
trying to get first right off the bat.
They're always like, there's a problem, like, we're trying to
get ahead of the radio or even with the breaker it's like,
okay, you're there maybe a different context for a pitch
but we're trying to try to put them in those Problems, as often
as possible. And we'll probably be doing
something similar to that in the live situations by putting
people in different situations and within a live in the end,
it's problem problem Solutions. Always couple trying to keep
those those together. Be as far as headers things you
know I mean I think as much as I can get my pitchers throwing
against hitters bunch more ramped up like we relatively are
now I think there's just there's more value of that and you can
scale it up, you can scale down, you can you can do it.
It more guided, we're technically poaching.
It a little more helping them to notice where to look or kind of
like guiding them in certain ways, but it would still alive.
Heck of a lot better than just throwing a bullpen or just
taking like regular 30-foot BP, right?
Yeah, I mean because I only see that as the solution to trying
to help hitters out more. I mean, I do think there's some
value in doing the yellow machine and whatever just
something so that they can from a perceptual standpoint feel the
pressure of the low. I think that's super important
but I wouldn't want to spend a ton of time on it though.
Like, that's just my my thought I have noticed.
So really good? Really good division.
One program. Like I know they spent a ton of
time on the veal machine and they they get a dude pumping
like that has relatively has been good.
Be like they're gonna they're gonna handle a little bit their
home run ball park but then you get the left-handed flipper
throwing somewhere between 83 May 6, maybe these little
breaker, and just kind of filling it up like Probably
gonna probably lose that game. And like, that's, that's
something you want to keep happening, right?
And then, you know, there's a chink in the armor and you can
get beat at any time. If that team has that guy and
they can roll them out there. If that they tell you that, you
know, but the real machine I helps helps to a certain extent
and it helps you get rid of that, be low, but I mean, that's
not being very attuned. Adapter on Deck hitter at the
end of the day, only to one very specific variable.
I do want to kind of go back just a little bit.
See if I can pull this up because I did have it up here.
We went down. Another can no not that one.
There's a there's a different one.
This this this goes for hitting when we're talking about.
We're going all the way back to the beginning.
We're talking about Click on the right one.
Here we go. Batter ball outcomes because I
think this is the other thing of all right.
Hit the ball in the air but the question that you should be
asking is to like what's the Hang Time?
So because okay yeah you can hit the ball super hard it's super
high but is it going to carry far enough?
You know? For example if you have a good
defense out there that they can cover 60 feet in about three
seconds, if your hang time is three and a half, well, he's
probably going another, you know, 10 to 15 feet.
So that puts him out what like 75 feet.
You know, that that means that his circle is going to start to
expand more, like you're going to be able to start, get to get
balls that you smash into the Gap.
But if you put it up there and it hangs up there, Guys have a
chance of going and tracking that thing down and so that's
where to me. Hang time is another component.
If you're not hitting it out of the ballpark that plays into, if
you're just, you know, looking at Exit via low.
And you're just looking at potentially.
I'm trying to like attack angle or on plane efficiency if you're
not also looking at maybe a launch angle.
That that I think especially launch angle is going to play in
there as far as how good or a quality is your hit.
Because I think that's where It becomes it becomes the challenge
of okay, let's say you hit it at like a good launch angle, which
is going to hang up there for about two to two and a half
seconds. But if it's hit right at the
guy, it's probably an out there. Just seeing that enough where if
it's not going over his head. Then it's going right to them
and he's catching it in, you're out and so that's where to me
like it's harder, right? This is where for me.
I really like the idea of doing BP outside as much as I can and
I get it at the pro Level, Pro level, I think is different
because the amount of games and how much they're outside on the
field. But if we're talking about high
school college, we're not playing as many games and they
and to here's the other part of it, the players themselves don't
have. His many games underneath their
belt, either. And I think that's, that's the
other element, that separates the pro guy from the college in
the high school kid and so I want to hit out on the field as
much as I can. And I want to start putting out
like some sort of, you know, if I don't have fielders I want to
put something out in center field out in right field where
the defense would be playing so that they can get the feedback
of man you peace that ball up and you just hit the trash can
or whatever. It is that I have out in
Centerfield well now you know that that ball in a game.
Yeah you hit it well but that that led to a to an out and if
we're if the whole goal is to hit it where they're not then we
begin to learn as a hitter. We're on the field to hit the
ball because for example, I'm trying to get our hitters to
understand that if you go to the six hole here on the ground,
that's actually not a bad hit. Like that works out.
That gets us on base. Don't be mad if you roll a ball
over and you put it in the six hole.
That's really hard to determine when you're in the cage, whether
or not that ball was going 6 hole or is going to the
shortstop or going to the third basement and the same thing, two
of you hit a little Flair ER that probably hangs up there for
three and a half seconds. Well this guy is probably not
able to get over here and your Dropping it in, or dropping it
in over here, but that's going for a double even though you
probably didn't have your best eggs of Hilo and your best
launch angle. That's a double.
And so when you're talking about your oh PS, your slugging
percentage, all that sort of stuff, like your padding, your
stats, right there. If you have the ability to if
you're a left or right handed hitter to dump the ball over
here, that's a very potent weapon to have in your Arsenal.
I want to say or Ella last night, hit a double over in
here. That scored three runs and broke
the game open for the Twins and put them ahead.
And so that's where to me people.
Like everybody wants to talk about hitting it here, which I
think is okay. But most guys, as you can see
here, the right fielder is going to line up, right?
Straight off a second base. Same thing with the left fielder
and I don't know, maybe you can begin to see to actually that
you have a little bit more overlap. in here and there's
more space over here in this in this window here, I mean, you
guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this area
here tends to often times lead to doubles And two, if you got
guys in scoring position that guy having to run from here to
over here, like you're going to be able to score.
From there. So that that to me, if I
actually want our guys to have the ability to figure out, how
can they keep the ball Fair? And work down both both sides of
the line. I mean I like the idea of going
here to the gaps, like this is definitely an affordance but for
some reason, it seems as though the way most defenses are set up
until they figure out, okay, you're a flare guy as a lefty.
I'm going to start laying in and I'm going to start moving over.
Well then that opens up this, this Gap over here for you or if
they then you're just an Oppo guy.
The shift you over this way, well, got this affordance over
here, so That's where I think trying to teach guys.
I want to have the whole Field open for them if that makes
sense. I want to focus on all of this
so to speak or like have us work on this whole gamut versus just
being right here. So, That's at least what I
wanted to talk about. Like when you're starting to
look at what is it that we want to measure and to make targets,
I think this would be something where maybe we have a sheet you
know and somebody sitting there charting okay, we're on the
field are they hitting it type of the thing and then regardless
of whether or not you have hit tracks or flight scope or track
man like you could just simply, you know, guy with a stopwatch.
And a and a clipboard. And you're just marking and
doing spray charts on guys. And then you could have that for
yourself and work on that, you know, with the guy standing
behind the turtle, I think that would be one simple way to you.
Could actually now start to measure and quantify.
A guy's ability to exploit space on the field.
Yes. Yeah, I like that, to me, it
connects a lot with the idea, what I was talking with pitching
and selling, that's a whole different game because I think
the, with the new data people got very one-dimensional, and
they're just trying to, like, plug out like that.
But that's your strategy of getting extra base hit.
Well, there's other ways to get extra base hits and like,
exploit defense is right. Then just trying to plug gap to
Gap the entire time, just like one.
Some guys may not even have that like they're going to hit it and
it's going to end up in one of the circles.
And so we caught every single time where there's Options.
But to like we're talking about that may open up and a whole
nother. Forints if you can, if you put
it down there and you can also plug app like you may start
opening up something that's a little easier to put it, put it
in the Gap and to me it's just different game.
Same thing with pitching, it's like, we're just chasing these
metrics because this is what I thought I should be doing
because the metrics are saying that and it looks good and it
looks good in a video or whatever it may be, whatever.
Maybe I was told to do this, my training facility and without
game contacts and then you get into a game and you don't Have
your plan b or plan C or you don't have many other options to
go to feel the, get somebody out, alright?
And then same thing here because you're always in a think this
work ages hurt, Tom, like you're talking about like you don't see
where the ball is landing, you're not seeing it's a
functional functional hit, right?
You're you're saying all that wasn't a hard like did the exit
below? Doesn't say the same as as the
other dealer on, but that was actually more functional swing
because we're you beer over the place, baseball, you actually
beat the offense, right? So I think that's actually
really like this graphic. It was searching for a little
bit. I think it kind of like the
talks about, like, if the ball does hang up and I'll how
quickly can they get there? And you probably a measure that
on field to your half? Wonder, if you could like nvp,
have the circles kind of circles there?
And like, that's what I was thinking, which I think is
really interesting. I mean, here's here's what I've
learned just, you know, through the whole video setup that I
showed at the beginning and that took me longer than I wanted to
set that up, you know, like I just from having Use Tak and
just trying to do all this sort of stuff, like, putting circles
out there, I just know that depending upon where this
happens in your practice just from a straight logistical
standpoint. Like that's where the challenge
comes of like, okay, for example, if I wanted to do the
camera set up, I had for our BP, it just wouldn't happen because
of the flow of our practice like we're going to do defensive work
beforehand before we do BP. Well, I'm not going to have my
camera. Has set up necessarily.
I might be able to get some of it depending upon if it's just
Mass Bongos. But if it's if it's a defense
where we're throwing and stuff, it might be hard for me to have
everything set up. His balls are flying around and
they may actually want. We may want to use use this
space back here behind home plate like that's where I just
look at like how long is it going to take you to get this
set up? You know what I mean?
For when you're transitioning like this is this is the stuff
that if you go and they'll look at like, John would write, this
is what he spent a lot of his time on was figuring out okay.
Where does the equipment need to be stationed?
So we can minimize the amount of downtime between between
activities because And this is something that I really
appreciated about our head coach.
He's his goal, is to try to not have guys be there for too long,
and that's a mistake that I think a lot of us coaches,
myself, included fall, into of, we're just like, we're going to
be here till it gets done and but then we don't plan very well
to execute that to get it done in a quick and efficient manner
and making sure things are like ready to go and having like it
just from a logistical standpoint.
That's where I look at okay it right.
Conceptually A lot of these ideas are great but how do we
logistically get them to work out in practicality and I think
that's where the question of how do you measure out?
This so that you have it done like very quickly, you know, for
example of I kind of like this idea of could I have different
because like what I did and I spray painted spots on my field
for flight scope. So but I made sure to put them
like all the way into the to the ground so that it's not just
getting cut continually, but that also means that sometimes
is Hard to Find Them. So that's the thing of like,
okay. You like how like I wonder if
you could put, you know, spray paint will spots in your in your
field. Where you?
So then when you go out there, you just plop these things down.
And really, I think you could probably just get away with like
parts of the Ring. Like really?
Visually one cone here, a certain color.
Maybe it's a flag. I mean, maybe that would be
easier. Put out little Flags, like, the
ones that they use for. Where they Mark, you know, where
electrical lines are and stuff like that, put little Flags out.
And then I'm probably Mark here and I probably, maybe Mark here,
you know, these parts of the circle.
I think that might be with different colors, right?
Because I think the colors would would be helpful to know, like,
okay. This one's going to be a stretch
for a guy, you know. Red is going to be these huge
Surefire catch and this is going to be maybe you know also but I
I would say once you get out to this ring that's probably going
down to like maybe 75 percent chance of a catch.
Yeah, I'll write about people less fortunate that have turf
fields you know, can't we can't spray paint or true yellow flag.
So I mean us less fortunate people don't have that
forwarding so I have these cones but our head coach actually did
something. It's not like this but we use
cones and I think it's more gaps.
I don't really know what he's doing.
It seemed pretty good but it's like he it was just like one day
where we had more time where BP was kind of prawn and was going
to interfere with anything we're doing a Like he's goes and sets
up all the cones and then another sister ahead of time
takes a little time, but I feel like once you do it once or
twice and you can have a, I don't think it's I don't know if
that's in every every time thing to me, but I think we highlight
it once or twice. It's going to give the guys that
idea of it. And then you got real Fielder's
over there and they would have a general idea of the spacing,
right? And kind of give them make some
little more views, more ecological terms like a little
more sensitive to that information, right?
Kind of where we're maybe cop not cot so I think that's where
my mind. And kind of went with it, it has
to be like a practice where you're like, we're doing PP up
front, you can get there. The field ahead of time.
Have that have that ready set up and kind of like at least allow
them to interact with that play like once or twice I want to
give give oh, go ahead, Robert. I wonder if There's a way now,
this is kind of like a big brand idea, but like, basic building
out like a more or less like a diet.
Protractor, in a way where you plant the steak at whatever
Center Spot you want. And then you have like red
string, 30 feet, you know, blue string, 45 feet, and then black,
string, 60 feet, and then you just basically just walk it
around and then dispense the string accordingly. you know, I
actually kind of like that idea, you know, because we already do
this, I know for us, we have Way too many of the chalk, lion
strings. But like if you just if you just
use that, that actually might be a good, a good way to do this,
is you use those chalk line, strings?
And you put little, I don't know, not in it and then you
just, you know, walk it out to those different little knots.
Once you have those knots out there, then you can put whatever
you want a cone or whatever and then you just walk it like
you're talking about in a circle Robert.
That might be a very easy way to get this done in a very quick
and efficient manner to use something like this.
The other thing too, I was going to say, I think I probably heard
this from Nick but I was I was kind of thinking the same thing.
of what I've seen that kind of annoys me and this is You know,
I've been different places where, you know, pictures are
out there, shagging or whatever you have guys, just a bunch of
guys just shaking in the Outfield.
I actually get really annoyed when there's too many guys out
there because it doesn't give good feedback to our hitters.
When you know Joe schmoe is standing out and right-center
field guy pieces up a ball and any it somebody goes and runs it
down. You're like yeah, that was not a
good hit. It's like, yeah, it was, but you
didn't get the feedback in the satisfaction and know.
That that ball that you hit was going to burn a guy who is
playing a normal normal position.
So I almost to to go off of what something that Nick had come up
her. At starts implementing with his
guise of guys who are not up. Like they need to be a half Neil
and just down. And I almost think like if you
want to have guys out there, like, okay, the guy who's not
up, he's doing a half kneel and then when that guy goes and
takes off for a ball Then the other guy pops up and then he's
good to go. And then that other guys, you
know, dead and that that I think would give a better look for our
hitters to actually get better feedback as to whether or not,
you know for what it whenever it was.
They're executing because some of its it's a question of like
okay game winner, moving a guy over, is it deep enough for them
to tag all those sorts of things begin to play in?
To did a guy? Actually execute what he was
trying to do there. Based upon where the defense
actually isn't, who's up. And where if you just have a
bunch of guys just standing around randomly and I think
that's going to be something that's probably going to be hard
to change from a just a baseball culture.
Standpoint is it's just nobody's really paying attention to what
the defensive guys are doing out there?
And I think that but I do think you could actually gain
something by having Having only certain guys up at a time or
just even to, like, I get annoyed when some of our, like,
our catchers or whatever. We'll just go stand in the
Outfield. It's like no, no go stand
somewhere in the infield where an infielder would be, I'd
rather see guys standing on an infield or add an infield
position. So the guys can tell hey, that
line drive that he just hit Would that actually been caught
by a middle? Infielder, you know, was it
right to a guy or did it actually have the Loft to get
over a guy? Because sometimes I see some of
that in like, you know what? He probably that was probably an
out. But if you if I actually have a
guy there, whether or not he's a true shortstop or not, and he
hits it in the hole and seeing a guy move over that direction.
You get a sense of man. He oh, he almost got that one or
he had zero shot at getting that one and you hit it hard enough
to to punch it through the hole there.
And to like, even if you don't have enough guys and you only
have one guy over here and you have two guys over here and it's
almost like you have a shift going on, right and you this guy
can kind of play wherever. And now all of a sudden you can
play with this space over here and so to me this is where I
think we can do a lot better when we have a field to helping
guys begin to experience and learn how to hit to open space
based upon where the defense is. yeah, my I completely agree with
you there because again there's just so much value and again
it's that instant feedback the motor how we use data that
instant feedback, there's that instant feedback.
And you know, was that a hit? But if you know, random picture
out there, catches the ball that's in right center like you
don't really know what. But my minor thing was like,
with catchers. They're almost needs to be like
some Exploration with them because this has happened
firsthand, we've had not one, but two catchers like as part of
batting practice like ghosts and the Outfield and like make
wreaths, both of them are spending time out in the
Outfield. You know there's one would his
you know with the way the govt see works.
Is you play one game Friday to game Saturday, one game son,
Okay, so basically I was catching from just trade off.
One would be in right? The other one would catch and
then so on and so forth, but I think there's there's still that
you know opportunity for exploration And then on the
other end, you know, there still needs to be that kind of
structure for like what you mentioned earlier?
I think, with the kneel down approach could be a really good
way to combine, both those elements one.
And then to be able to give pairs that necessary feedback
because again, Something I found interesting was, you know, when
you mentioned launching with her?
I found that at a, I looked at like a ten to twenty degree
laundry. And then I looked at 75 85 x,
the velocity and then 90 and above and then that kind of 85
and 90. The 7585, had a higher expected
batting average at the MLB level.
Then in that launching, really then that 90 to 100.
Why? Because of these circles you're
showing because they're hit hard enough that there's a Field,
whereas, the ones that are head a little bit softer, but have
that enough cloth to go over the infielders head. are in a
dropping for hit but when you're in a practice setting and you
have, you know, three or four guys, playing short left field
and catch the ball, how do you know if that's truly and then
you as a hitter have to adjust accordingly based upon I do
think in not I've just be reiterating if I would just talk
about the good point about like not having too many fields out
there. I do think one issue.
I'm not going to go into it but could be talking about some
point. It's like I think big an issue
with people not being on the change.
This is because what do you do with pictures during this time,
right? It's like I think that that
becomes like we're two hours into our practice last h.
BP like well. Okay, what are the pictures
doing? Like course, you're gonna throw
them out there, right? I mean, I was a pitcher, I wore
the shagger Swagger shirt like routine base.
Molly. I was all about it, but I was
trying to make reasons, being honest, I wasn't one of those
pictures stand around like I was trying to I was once the center
fielder took off, I was up in his spot, trying to trying to
get the next one before he came back but that I think that's
when the baseball Community I need to be talked about.
Okay, so what now do you do? You already have your two hours
in with your pictures are obviously not throwing any more.
There are done, they're throwing.
They've already maybe them there a little bit of conditioning,
whatever, and the recovered and now what, you know, and that's a
that's a problem that probably needs some solving until until
Till then, I think you're going to continue to see pictures of
kind of that around, the Outfield like quad spaces,
because they're bored. They don't have very good
attention spans for the most part.
Unfortunately, I was working that with little mindfulness
everyday, but I think that's that's on that we could be
talking about down the road and then the last thing I'll say on
this is we when I was with a, I see we actually did this.
I don't know exactly how it's set up.
Is I wasn't involved. So I was doing stuff with the
pictures during the entire time but it was actually a very
intense tracking system and our BP went through the roof and I
think we played some of the best we ever did but they were
tracking the defense the entire time and actually putting
different defenses on kind of what you're talking about.
It's like we literally had to make so many.
Any place you have to turn so many double plays, they're
putting them in different situations.
Like you're acting like there's a run on person certain
situations there's times where the Outfield maybe going out.
They may be playing in at different times.
So it's actually like, you're kind of moving around and
exploring with them. But I don't think I was tracked
was perfected by the time, we're done with the season because it
was like you had to make so many caches in the Outfield, you have
turned so many double plays even like a comebacker to the L
screen, a picture of the fake like turn turn to.
So there's there's some some Wash to it but I think it ramped
up the P for both the header but I think what happened to is like
because we tracked so many like we had to get so many like put
out some more shortstop like guys intentionally started
hitting the shore because really how we're going to be out here
forever plus our rollover short. However maybe there's some
usefulness in that is now you're working very well.
I don't know. But that was I think that helped
a ton as far as like just just as far as for the hitters
initially in the fielders. Yeah.
No, go ahead, Robert. There's that side of it, too.
Like when you mention pictures, like We encourage pictures to be
athletic because what does that do in turn, you know, having
that, you know, jagger swagger things like that?
It allows them to be athletic in the field, which then in turn
allows them to be athletic on the month.
So increases athleticism, and then allows them to, you know,
understand their movements a little bit better when they're
out there, you know, shagging or doing something of the like.
So, yeah, there is that, that really tough fine.
Lion, it's not easy to be able to say hey but can we create
environments where during that time can we use kind of the
space that's outside of the field or something to allow
pictures? Yeah flooding that's again
that's that's another conversation for another time
but that's still a really good point you bring up Avoid all
avoid my rent on. This is obvious, have plenty,
plenty ideas on that, but I feel like that might be for different
topic. I mean, that's that's fair.
I guess the, there's one To go all about the cage thing I did
and I wish I had all the proper images.
I might have it somewhere before.
I believe Riggins, put out a really nice one to show how much
how much are the field. The cage takes up, right?
It's it takes up such a small portion of the field that we
need to be cognizant of yourself.
Here, I measured our cage. This is what it looks like on a
field. Like it's not.
It's super small, you know, like most balls that we were watching
earlier, like they're kind of going in here.
And if can't remember what I had this, this is, this is the line,
this is where it is. Where I think the first baseman
kind of is, if you hit this ball here, it's going to first and
then you're standing here and you pull it.
This is kind of going to Third. And like, I mean, just look at
how small of a window you have between foul and fair or to the
third basement. Just from just, you're just
talking angles right out of the box like that.
To me is the the craziest thing when you're hitting in in the
cage. And I believe these white lines
are where your middle infielders are.
So if you hit it this way, this is Where traditionally your
second baseman is going to be playing, no sorry.
I have the mouse in the right spot.
So file or follow lines right here, where I think third
basement is from where own plate in theory is and then your first
baseman hitting it over here, getting it to second base.
Is that white one and hitting it to shortstop, is that other way?
And so depending upon to like where your shortstop is playing
like if he's playing here and IP and I hit kind of a weak ground
ball, back up the middle. That may get be picked up by the
shortstop. And you get thrown out.
You know, same thing even with this other one over here.
So I mean that's where to me. It's should we always be
rewarding balls. Hit back to the back of the
cage. I think it depends on how hard
it was hit. Like if you hit a hard ground
ball to the back of the cage, that's probably squeaking
through. But if you hit a ground ball to
like the middle part, dear, you're probably looking at at
Ground balls to second base, or to your middle, infielders these
two white ones, right? Because, like, in our case, like
we were thankful to have light scope.
So it gave us somewhat of a, You Know, Field projection that gave
us a little bit better idea, but Even then and those in some
cases feel like I'm on the other side of the cage.
So we had like a two cakes that up the kind of filter in
pictures rather quickly. It would be there all day, but
on that other cage like, you know yeah you hit it right back
to the back of the night. They're like oh Barrel, that's
an easy hit. Well, is it really?
That's where it kind of that feedback, makes it really tough
for you to be like, might be or in the case of, you know, is a
ball Fair. Follow is another thing that you
could talk about within that page setting.
Yeah. So here just to try to get it,
you know, make sure I was kind of, you know, right.
Like that's it's not perfectly on home plate but it kind of
gets you. The idea of if he is a Sure, to
hit it that direction in the cage, or we go first.
So you can kind of see, like, where I had those cones.
Like, it's crazy to me how close that is to the foul line.
So if you put foul lines in your cage, If you don't basically hit
it right here, which is probably not going to stay fair.
But you have this tiny little window to hit it through.
Just try to keep it, keep it fair, but I do think, though, if
you hit it here, that that's a hit.
Okay, I think that's that's where it's like, how do we
represent? The go back to this one here,
right? If you're able to hit through
man, that's where it's like Hit through in this area you have
kind of a chance. This is where again, it's like I
can't trying to figure out these angles is to me really tough to
try to visualize where those hits and where those holes and
those gaps in the infield are four guys and this is where I
totally understand why someone like DB you just puts up, launch
angle strings and we're going to hit just Rising line drives that
clear the infield as if You do that in a general sense.
Like, more often than not, those will turn into hits.
But, I mean, it's really hard to try to train a complete hitter
inside and quite honestly, DB, you should be able to get
outside that. Why would, why would they hit in
the cage when you're when you're in Texas?
I don't know. I mean I get it when it's like a
bazillion degrees outside but it ain't that in the spring party
gets cold. I don't know, I'm sure it does.
But I mean, I'm going to try this this fall for as long as we
can still get outside After Fall Ball ends.
And we get, you know, Are our individual work like I'm going
outside. yeah like even if I'm cold we're using that field for
as long as we can because I know in the spring there's going to
be snow on this sucker and we're not going to be able to use it
till May like like Let's let's try to get as much use out of it
as possible. So that's, I mean, it's
beautiful in the, in a, in the fall.
But man, lays a North bring non non game days and practice days
this year, I tallied it up. We had more indoor practice days
during the Spring, then we get Outdoors because of weather.
Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just playing in the North like,
it's Man. I mean we were talking about we
should we need to figure out how to Turf our field.
Like we would be able to get on it at least a little bit earlier
but then it does, it brings up a and just beautiful like thought
or Point. Like okay, for these tools that
are in climates where being outside is rather unfair herbal,
how can we get represent representation by being?
And that's why I did this, like I have the percentages.
I want to say, this is like 20-ish degrees off center.
From Center, I believe it's like 20, 25.
I don't know. Like it should be 45, right?
So if this is a 90 degree angle, Yo, 45, I don't know.
I'm not very good with math, but I remember like taking the
numbers and they were about 20-ish degrees.
I want to say 20 to 25 degrees From the center and it's like 5
or something, or something absurdly small.
Or the corners. Yeah, 20 degrees.
And I had basically 35. So if you start dead center and
I go 35 degrees. Yeah, that makes sense because
it's a full 45 to this line. So if you basically five degrees
from the foul line, over is where your Corners are.
And you go basically 30 degrees in from your foul lines is where
your middle is, are So yeah, it's kind of absurd how small
these gaps are. Where these fielders are it.
I mean, it's just it's it just goes to show for younger
players, okay? I'm going to make that caveat
for younger players. Because I understand why pro
guys actually perform better when they hit in the cage.
Before games and they don't go out and do the unfilled stuff.
But for younger guys that need the experience, you just it's so
hard to replace hitting hitting on a field and I do think you
can get away with hitting in a dome.
You, you're doing way better when you can get a big cage to
hit it. So if you can hit in a big cage
that's you know, if you can get basically three wide cage.
That's you know, gets you out to here.
On both of these like that. Then makes this you can
visualize this way better and begin to see all this because
then you can start to get your file lines in there more and
I've seen that, and I mean, if I could, I would try to hit in
that setting as much as I possibly could.
So, you guys got anything else. I feel like we've probably beat
this topic. Into the ground.
I don't have anything else. I mean, I'd say the last, the
last thing I would say to it is just like thinking like indoor
practice. I mean, luckily in the situation
I'm here I don't really have to think about indoor practice
anymore, but like it's so hard to just make it representative
in a cage, it's like near impossible.
So to me, it's almost more of a losing game at times like trying
to go down that rabbit hole and finding ways since no matter
what you do, like, even if you say that all that might have
been down the line like know. They may think it in their head,
like, after you say it, but like the feedbacks out there right
now. See the ball going in the
corner. So, it's almost and I don't know
if this is necessarily 100% true, if trying to make it
representative and like hitting the exact holes and putting it,
where it needs to be, has more value than just simply.
Like, giving them problems to solve day off like, finding
finding different problems. Even if it's not technically
represented for the angles, don't line up that.
That still may carry over. Since they're still, they're
still searching for some form of it.
Should write and trying to solve the problem within within a,
hopefully an arm and with the back, right?
So like that's how I do, that's just kind of where my brain went
with it because this this looks really complicated and trying to
figure out how to like get them to actually believe that, okay?
That this was, that wasn't that, you know what I mean?
First like, let's just be problem, solvers and then you
can reward. If you solve the problem we gave
you and you're searching for that information, right?
I agree. And that's where I go back to, I
think it's simpler. To just put up launch angle
strings because I do think having some sort of external
Focus. And trying to now with being
indoors, you're going to just play the odds, you know?
And try to figure out, okay. How many different ways can you
hit a ball with this launch angle?
But I still think at least to me I would still want to at least
keep these in. I think this is too hard to your
point but if I if you have an understanding of where your
middles are that that at least gives you context for this line
drive that hit the cage right here.
Is probably going to be a one hopper to your middle like I
don't think guys, understand. We clap it up for guys.
Oh, good Line Drive. Yeah, when it's really, it's
super low on the side of the cage.
You're like that's, that's a ground ball, like it for, for
like an 8 foot or I think that's kind of, like, we have eight
eight and a half. No, I think it's taller.
That's got to be taller. Maybe like 11 or 12 foot cages,
right? Like you need to be hitting it
kind of near the top of the cage.
If you're going into the side walls, for it to not, be a
ground ball if you're like at like in the middle of that cage.
Like it's not the other thing too.
I was going to say I was joking with guys when we were doing
on-field BP and balls were getting hit up in the air and
guys were you know they're just going to the outfielders.
I would be like hey in the cage that's a double.
You know or you know, we'd say that was a home run.
Because I mean that's which because even to you look at the
exit via low eggs, appeal is probably a decent decent enough
and you're like got balls probably gone like nope right to
the guy you know, when we're on the field and that's that's
where for me, it's one of those things where you have to your
point before. It's the cage is just so hard to
to really try to help guys really understand.
Is this going to translate But I think like again to your point,
doing all those different sort of, just giving him a bunch of
different tasks and trying to get them to be as athletic
dextrous. Hitters is is going to be the
best way to probably see things translate to the field.
Yeah, I'm form pick up some form of information that they have to
act upon. I think at least we'll have
someone. Hmm.
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